Historic District Review Board - Regular Meeting

I mean, I can't say that with certainty, but I think I'm pretty certain. All right.

Meeting people. Shelby, call to order. Okay, 207 Main Street. Hello. Hello. Come on down.

Have a seat. Is it at the table?

No, I am Jean.

Inez is my mother. Okay.

All right. Tell us what you're applying for.

I would like to replace a four-foot wooden fence with a six-foot wooden fence.

There's a diagram. Okay. And I guess that I saw this.

It was far into the files that were sent to us, but

Is the fence that you're talking about the one that is highlighted here?

It's the wooden fence, the rest of the fence. So yes, highlighted in red. Okay.

Okay. And it's an existing four-foot fence. You're going for a six-foot fence, right? And it's behind the house. So is there any problem with the fact that we're going to a six-foot high fence?

I think it's the corner lot that changes things a little, but it's still behind the house. So I don't, I think it's, it can be treated like a fence. I think that's fine.

Okay.

Yeah.

Do I have, well, I guess, do we have an image of what the fence is going to look like?

Vertical. Okay.

It's a solid fence.

Solid fence.

Okay, do I have a motion concerning the application?

I motion to approve the application as submitted.

As submitted.

Thank you.

Thank you. I don't know if Abigail told you guys, I got an invoice from the Department of Appropriateness with a Cold Spring Village letterhead and a coldspring.usa.com email address. with the wire information. I chose the IP address. I already did the listing at government.thread. But yes, they took all the information from the agenda that was listed down to my tax logs and all of that. They sent me an email to my personal email. Thank you, Abigail, because I was like, unhinged immediately because i'm like why am i getting a seven thousand dollar bill and um i was like well take me off the agenda but we didn't send you that oh my god so um yeah so that's why everything's been removed temporarily and then we'll redact and re-upload okay

Okay, but we're not finished yet. We need a vote. We actually need a vote.

Okay, sorry, apologies. Do I have a second? No, Kate, second.

You seconded. Okay, all those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. And I vote aye. So 4-0-1, I'm not here. Thanks for picking up this fence, Kate.

And also, I'm so sorry that that happened.

I'm so glad it was, oh, sorry, and not correct.

i'm glad you didn't just oh i mean so many zeros but yeah all right thanks all right have a good night okay um 14 academy street mr beth yes knows about your uh

our camera i really i want to face them with a flea stone and then on the face granite can actually exist from the wall so this is what we're going to get yes no change to that hand rail that's what i was going to ask yeah no rails no no no what are you going to say

Okay, do I have any questions from board members?

No, none for me.

Do I have a motion concerning the application? I move to accept the application as submitted.

Second that.

All in favor say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Approve 4-0. Thank you.

Yes, I'll give you that. Okay.

Okay. So that's... Okay. 55 in Maine. Hello. Hi. All right. So if I remember correctly, and I can dig out paperwork, what we're looking at are the two windows in the back. Am I correct?

Yes. Yep. I don't want to put that in.

The wood's been painted, yeah.

The other photos. Okay, and I guess, what are the- These are the photos from back when we originally talked and worked through the fake green and the fencing kind of stuff.

Okay, and all of these panels were painted. match the siding right yeah this fence the foliage is removed and then this style of wood boarding is added along the summit well yeah i remember this i guess the question is is that this this is down here right yeah and uh you know the issue was is how and we had a problem with the

faux greenery it's all gone it's all gone yeah and this is painted we have said that we suggested doing something like this there and he's done that so it's um yeah all right so dispense the footings I think we're talking about trapping the metal and I think that was a little bit harder to do yeah you want me to talk about that now do you mind quickly all right um yeah we tried it didn't

the way I wanted to. I was going to paint it to match that. I messed around with that a little bit. I haven't really gotten a good, I could have left it like, but I didn't think it would look right. I'm working on that. Can I get a little more time with that, please? And I think it'll come out nice. I'm just, you know, dragging a brush on it, trying to make it look good.

Yeah, that's fine. If you're still attacking it, I think it'll look great. Yeah.

Okay. And these were, do we have more recent photographs? Yeah.

So the, this, these are the photographs going, well, I don't know where you want me to.

Can you put them on the screen? I can try.

Don't ask me these IT questions.

Yeah, I'll just, I'll join the meeting and then I'll share the screen. Thank you.

So that anyway, these are the screen some Google

street view screenshots that show the original windows that were there. Then this shows the bottom being infilled at some point, looks like plywood or something covering the bottom sash of the double hung windows. So these are Not the windows that were there is what the point of that is.

And basically it was painted to match the color of the other windows.

Yeah. But the width significantly reduced on these replacement windows.

And it's double hung in a location where there was just one dash of glass. Yeah.

okay um comments from the board i think that i mean i would kind of start with their their we're working through a lot of violations here um i would say that generally not not just with you generally in the village um i think that you know as a renter it really it doesn't everyone should be educated as much as they can be but I wouldn't say that this is entirely like your problem I think your landlord also plays a role um as does the building department it responsibility does to some degree kind of get shared here but to me at the end of the day what it comes down to is that had this gone through the process um the proper process this board would not have approved these two windows to be installed. They drastically reduced the amount of glass, which is a big issue. And then as Lauren also just mentioned, the fact that it's a double hung window put in an even smaller area of that upper window sash, it just stands out pretty drastically. That's where we are.

What was the reason? Why was the size of the window reduced? Okay.

So when we took over the space, Board of Health recommended we put up the FRP in the kitchen, the plastic. So no, I didn't mention any of this last time. So we did. A recommendation. We made the kitchen way more sanitary. Um, which, um, you know, so that's why we covered, that's why we covered them. You know, the, the, the wall comes up to here, you know, the FRP comes across here. If you look in this, this is covered. That doesn't go through anymore. All right. So that's how it was in the beginning. Um, but now the windows don't open, they wouldn't open. So I didn't think much of it. And so the kitchen staff, only a couple of guys, right, needed windows that open or else they're gonna, you know, not be around longer. So, you know, between doing that and the exhaust, I got a new dump work done, which You know, it would tend to temper tantrums. They was walking out, sitting on the steps, middle of the summer lines at the door. So I was in a jam. So I had a guy come over and he put these in and we opened them up. I did have a quick question, um, with him, quick conversation about these with him, you know, is it, is the village going to care? Uh, he said they probably won't care because the way in the back and there's another little window that's not. a wooden window next right next to it you know the other one this guy here that one yeah so and that was it i didn't i didn't listen okay let's go and we did it that's it i did try to take them off and try to open them i wouldn't open not because they were painted shut uh they're like broken you know they're like there's no

counterweight anymore.

Were they even, I mean, I would be kind of surprised if they were even the original windows, were they originally the original wood windows? I couldn't tell you the originals.

I mean, I couldn't tell you if they were, but they were definitely old and they were nasty on the inside anyway. So it solved the problem. We got air, you know, a little ventilation in there, but it didn't, now this.

So right now you've got a double hung window that essentially did. It was painted.

Yeah. Do you have this picture in here of that?

Of the current state?

Of these, this group of pictures? That's what it looks like now.

I don't know if I have that. I can't pull it up. Oh, you have a picture you're saying. Oh, OK.

I don't think I have a paper copy of it, but it was in the last email. So if you have, oh, you just did that? It's in the emails with me, for sure.

Yeah, because I remember going down the alleyway and taking some photographs of it as it is now.

Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, it's this with the wood painted.

Yeah, but it looks way better than that. If I had it on service, I would be able to pull it up. No, it's the newest email of when I got re-invited here. It said pictures before, and then before I took over, then when I took over, then now. The last email, there's three images. Is there any way I can get service? I can find it.

Yeah, I thought I could use the phone, but it's closed. The village Wi-Fi, there was such a...

So any thought as far as the board members, as far as this particular, these two windows, because all of the other issues have been resolved. We're just dealing with these two, right?

The fence is still finessing, right? Not all on the fence, though.

I mean, easy to say, the first part of this.

In an ideal world, you would have come to us and we could have .

Yeah, I mean I would say the bottom sash would then have like a pretty piece of glass and it would just be a floor panel and it would have a top sash that was a hopper or an awning so it's only one piece that it could open and it would fit the same dimension and have the same profile.

I wouldn't say anywhere else would align. I was having to see the first part.

I said in an ideal world, we would have seen the issue with you and offered suggestions. Right. So I think we can't go back in time, but my suggestion would have been a fixed bottom sash with fritted glass and a top dash that operated as a hopper or an awning. So it didn't have multiple components, but it could it could open and then the trim would match the other windows so that it would be really discreet.

But if we get, then would it make sense to have an awning window in lieu of the double hung?

I think, I mean, an awning or a casement would probably be better than, part of the issue, I think, you know, visually on this building, right, the windows are much taller than they are wide. So it's a consistency across the front and the side and probably the rear facade of the building. And when you look, especially looking at the side of the building, the stacks of windows above it, you know, they're all quite a lot taller than they are wide. And so when this kind of infilled a lot more of the height and then also some of the width, they're quite kind of stubby looking as a result. So I think not having that horizontal break would certainly be better.

um whether it is a modding or a casement is it possible to get a double hung window with printed glass on the bottom and then just be able to operate the upper sash this is a wall now on the inside right okay right make this little glass again well but glass opaque glass basically like to put in a new double hung window so that the opening is consistent with the rest of the openings of the windows on the facade and the meeting rail would meet would be at the same height as the other windows that are already there. And then the bottom sash would be opaque so you can't see through, but then the top sash could be opened or an awning or a hopper or whatever kind of.

Oh, not a double hung here.

I don't know. Could you do a double hung window?

I mean, you could do a single hung where the top sash would be. lower down.

So that's an option for a fixed dash at the bottom and an awning or a hopper window on top. But in both cases, the bottom panel of glass would be opaque so that you wouldn't see into the wall. But it would read as a window from the outside. So those are a couple options.

All right. So what you're talking about is essentially a A window which would be the same size as the other. There we go.

Yeah, this is. It's not as clear, but that shows.

That was a good one to look at. So right now, that bottom sill of the new double hung windows is higher than the meeting rail of the adjacent double hung window. So that's. That makes it really noticeable that this.

This sill?

Yeah. So that sill, these two sills are higher than this meeting rail. So you're looking at it and these just look, to use your word, really stubby. So we're saying one option is to put in a single hung window. So with a fixed panel on the bottom with the rail that height and opaque glass. And then either. I don't. Is that a door?

No, this is the window, but I think this is just all out of whack. I don't think that's.

Well, we can.

Is it?

We can look at the upper.

Yeah, this is. It might be a storm. It might be a storm. You see the upper window.

You'd model it after the upper window.

Okay.

If any of the other windows. They're very. Yeah.

Okay. Small. I got you.

All right. Okay. But it would be a smaller window because. the proportions are smaller than the windows above. They were not originally. No. They were the same.

I think we're not seeing the bottom because of the fence.

Yeah.

Well, okay. Let's go back to the original.

That doesn't mean in the middle.

No, let's go back to the original. What was their original?

That's not a good shot. Well, those are open. Yeah, right there. But that's open.

That's open. I mean, it's difficult to.

But you could see that the meeting row is in the center.

Yeah, I mean, even there.

So we're talking about the center post. The center post, because if you look at it now, obviously, it doesn't look like the windows are smaller. in all directions. I mean, it does. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the question really is, is that this. That's not moved. Yeah.

That's fine. It's just the openings that have been infilled.

Okay. Right. And, but basically the window really, the fact that it has this surround really makes it look chunkier than the window above.

Right. And it's shorter than that original upper satchel that also makes it look

the fact that there's a little guy next to it doesn't um no because you're looking at all the other gang windows on the building all right so what we're uh talking about is um i i'd like to sort of go back to um whether or not the bottom is um you know, wood or painted wood, or if it's part of a window. I think that certainly this needs to change because it doesn't match the other windows on the facade. But the sill is established by the height inside, right? It's the floor. All right. So why don't we review the options that are available to DOE?

One option that I think you were just hinting at, well, we've been talking about the bottom portion that's been filed, you know, as Plywood added, we've been saying let's have that be a fixed stash with pretty glass or opaque glass. There's cost implications to that and maybe a less expensive way to do that if it's going to be covered anyway would be to trim it out.

Well, I guess the question I would have with that is that if this is the floor, are we saying that this window goes all the way down to the floor?

That's not the floor. It's not the floor. That's, I don't know. It's a side hatch. No, no, I'm talking about this over here.

Yeah, because that's the bottom of the window. You can tell actually by where the trash can is. The trash can would contain you all the way down.

Okay.

So I think... What were you... Yeah, it would be done right. But for me, if this was my thought and I'm trying to find the most cost-efficient way to do things, I might ask the board if I were to Trim out on top of that plywood and do a piece of glass on top of that plywood. But build it out rather than buy a thick sash if that would be less expensive.

And then put an operable window on top.

And then put an operable window on top that meets the needs of the other window. Yeah, exactly. So it wouldn't be you're buying a big window that's

I think in theory that's an option. I think in practice and in execution, probably extremely difficult to execute as you're finding even just brainstorming, trying to tap this bottom of how kind of difficult and complicated that is to get into. Then what is the frame of this fixed piece of glass that's mounted and is it the same material as the window above and all that stuff? Yeah.

As far as performance of the window, it's not that bottom sash isn't performing. There's plywood there. There's a wall there. And so people do hand-build windows all the time when they're in a barn without HVAC and it's just a single sheet of glass, right? And so it is possible to handle a window. It's possible to handle the faux window. I think the hard part is to they're saying to make it match the materials.

Well, let's first step back to what you wound up having installed. Now, I have to believe that the window was not sized to fit the opening. The opening was sized to fit the window. So this is essentially a cheap window that was just installed and then furred out with this wood. So I guess my first thing is that my first reaction would be that this really has to go. And what you're talking about is making something that is operable there that the health and convenience of the staff inside, right?

So option one is a single hung or double hung window where the top sash is the primary use, the operable, the bottom is more or less fixed shut, is an option to going back to the original dimensions of the upper on the outside well certainly i've seen that usually the inner sash would be on the interior so that out the exterior yeah i was just i didn't know if you thought we had he would be The locks would be, I mean, on a new double-hung window, the two lock, the sash locks are on the inside. You can go and get a lock lift up. For weatherproofing and stuff, yeah. So, I mean, I think ideally that's the path. It is a backup path that a new two windows are installed that where as al just mentioned all this furring and trim is removed and we're carrying that original break a casement or an awning window is installed in the top so it's a single so there's none of this so it's just one piece of glass so that at least it matches the upper portion of the original windows and then that the bottom is you know painted the gray and that the building is is that a an avenue that is worth us.

Not even glass, just like trimmed out and gray. Yeah.

Yeah.

So it reads as a full height.

So that it reads as at least the dimensions of that upper portion are, you know, you're maintaining the width and kind of that elegant, tall rectangle, more or less, or not, you know.

And then the glass at the bottom looks more efficient, even though I was suggesting. Yeah. So those are some options. Like explore and then.

what would work so a casement window is going to be hinged on the side and open out or in but for you i'm sure you would want them to open out an awning window would typically be hinged at the top and swing and swing out um alternatively a hopper would be hinged at the bottom and then open like that so one thing to think about the benefit of collecting rainwater yeah but one thing to think about is i you know i don't know what the interior I don't know what the interior looks like, but all these windows have different types of hardware. So most modern casement or awning windows are going to have some kind of crank thing at the bottom. So when you're in the space, you can look at kind of what could or wouldn't work.

Okay. And then most important, not most important, but importantly, this has to be... That's going to carry across to the one on the right.

And then these dimensions should match the dimensions. Yeah.

And then they have to be.

Skinny.

Yes. Okay. Gotcha. And then material. Right.

No vinyl. It'll need to be aluminum or wood.

Aluminum?

Yeah.

I didn't think aluminum was an option.

Aluminum. Yeah. Aluminum clad wood is an option.

All right. Okay. All right. um we'll put you on the agenda for next month you can tell us uh what works for you and yeah we'll go ahead and process it okay uh do you know what day it is next month it's the third tuesday oh whatever that is right now it's june uh 16th okay or the following if you're not all right well i i know i play hooky a lot from here but i'll try to make it okay so um are we all in agreement i i let's just review so that there's no question and i don't want to start the applicant down the road and and then say no i know that is more from that so The idea is that what you see here is in fact the openings of the windows as they were originally. And basically what they wound up doing is putting in a real wide casement in order to match the size of the window that they were planning on installing. So we would like to have that removed And your options are one would be a single hung window with the bottom sash being fixed and not movable and just the top and the top would slide down to the outside. But again, what we would like to see is something which matches the windows above that are above it. That's one option. The second option would be to have the upper part of the window, and this is probably down here, have that window either as a casement window, which means it opens to the side, or an awning window, which means it's hinged at the top and the bottom opens up. uh and then the bottom is just you know stays as uh wood treatment is painted right one thing i would quickly interject about we're using the term single hung window i'm using that from

of window world. I don't know whether a lot of manufacturers are doing that. Essentially, a double hung window, a traditional double hung window is going to serve the same purpose. The sash locks are going to lock and unlock both sashes. So your employees would know the bottom. Well, they wouldn't be able to lift the bottom because it's covered, right? So they would unlock and then they would simply... So it doesn't have to be... you know, a single hung window.

It probably would be, yeah. Something across the glass, right?

Yeah. Yeah, I think it probably would be. You don't have to go searching for single hung window and having problems, like, yeah.

I was going to ask that. I don't know. I did get confused. Yeah. Okay. All right. Okay. Cool. We'll see you next month. Yes. All right. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Nice seeing you. Thanks. Bye Abigail. Thank you very much. Thanks a lot. Do we edit them real high or do we just call out on this for the minute?

I can edit them real high.

I just see a little typo.

Is it the attorney one?

And 41 chestnut.

What do you want us to know?

The second paragraph, it says the applicant confirmed that the existing and proposed, not proposed.

Oh, this is the night you were like a crazy storm.

The optimum is bad here.

same file for 25 fares the second paragraph um i couldn't really capture i know there was a lot of discussion for that a lot of chatter basically they on the garage they wanted solar panels on both sides of the roof and i asked for the panels that would be on the back right because you could you can't see them from the street unless they get And they were really against it.

So I think maybe just say that the engineer set five panels can be moved.

Maybe we just cut that whole second paragraph because it ended up not weighing into the decision.

Well, I mean, we can change it to say that we propose some revision And the applicant had a problem with it, and we just dropped the issue.

Okay. So maybe in the second paragraph, those first two sentences we pull, and then it just says Kate made her request to clean up the garage roof plane.

Right.

Aesthetically.

Or Kate made her request to have the panels installed only on one side of the garage, not both. So sorry, remove the first two sentences.

Kate made a request to move the panels on the front of the garage to the back of the garage.

The garage was at a 980.

Request was declined.

Yeah, the applicant said that would be possible for Yeah. Structural reasons, I think.

Yeah. I guess structurally it's okay to have it on one side, but not on the other side. I find that very strange. All right. But it was just something which we decided not to argue about.

Right. So the plan due to structural, is that, you want me to include that? Yeah. The engineer said that would be possible due to structural reasons.

Okay. Awesome.

Oh, yeah. Can you, on 40 May, the second sentence, if the owner has made multiple attempts, you say the owner

It has made multiple attempts. Right. And then she came back again. Right. So this is just that first visit.

Oh, no, this is April.

Oh, yeah, this is the last. Oh, OK, so. So accepting the proposed design. Oh, yeah.

So the third sentence came in where he proposed accepting the proposed design with the change of the two swing doors.

Just so it's clear the client was the one who designed with the change, not as built, right? Exactly.

have we heard anything from 40 main street well has she followed up since that meeting experience i can't remember if it's off my head i can check um

Okay.

We could say new vinyl fence on a 204 main street. Instead of the whole. Instead of just new fence, like I think we need to state that it is vinyl because that's why we didn't approve it.

The first sentence, proposed modifications. Okay. Of vinyl.

Just going back to 40 Main Street, this is to remove the center emollient as proposed.

Yeah, she fixed that. She just puts those elsewhere. Yeah.

Because it was something which they, which after that, right. Yes. Okay, 204 Main Street. Do you want to add in that, Donald?

Donald was on the Zoom. Do we need to add that in?

Oh, I don't know why he was. He didn't really add anything to the conversation.

He was a neighbor, but I think originally he was a neighbor.

Yeah, I think he was a neighbor. And I'm not sure even

what his position was on it he just wanted him to plant more plants which doesn't mean he didn't want to he didn't like what was there okay and then i think was not expecting to be called on but he was just like if he kind of just pretend the meeting so this 401 vote is a vote to disapprove the application that makes sense yes um yeah that makes sense

Thank you for not memorializing the number of times that I exited and joined.

That would have been rude.

I almost emailed you afterwards, Abigail, and I was like, I think she probably would rather not hear from me. And we got another email just apologizing for how bad my internet was that night.

There's just a couple typos for 50, 55 names.

And we have a village attorney.

Oh, in the very first paragraph? Yes.

OK. My question. And the vote for 40 Main Street, I actually left off because I wasn't sure the motion to approve the doors as modified or with the modification of removing the center. Exactly. Yep. Okay. I'm sorry, I left out the swing doors, but yeah. She had it drawn, I think.

How was that? You know, is that part of the DNA? Which one? For 40 names for the apostate carry. She showed us two. shop drawings, two options?

I only saw one option. She came back with essentially a shop drawing from a fabricator. And I think it was like $12,000 to replace the doors. But I think that was the only option.

And that was the one we approved, right? Yeah. I'm just wondering, when it says a motion, Adam's looking for the right language to approve the doors. Can we still just say to approve the doors as modified, removing the centromodium? Well, yeah.

I mean, the way that we handled it, it was a notice. In other words, it's not like it was a new application because this is just a follow-up on their original application that she had received. So... The motion was to approve the doors that she was proposing.

You could say as proposed, as shown on drawing, whatever that was.

Yeah, shop drawing.

Okay. For the motion? Yes. Approve the doors as proposed and then reference. All right.

Do I have a motion for the minutes as we've modified it?

I would make a motion to approve the minutes as modified.

Second. All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Okay. Finalized materials checklist for new application.

That's on the Google Doc. Everyone is going to get back with any final comments. I don't know if that happened, and if it didn't, that's fine. We could do another.

I know I looked at it and added a couple of things. Feels like quite a while ago now.

OK. Maybe everybody just wants to do one more look. Not now, but at some point.

Yeah.

cleaned off you know so maybe that's what it was it wasn't launched and this is that training session that i i went to it's actually kind of nice oh cool we paid for that i did yeah we did and i don't know what the procedure is as far as getting cash from the village so what was it like what was the Well, it was interesting. The keynote speaker seemed to be very down on the historic preservation movement.

Down on?

Down on, yeah. Because she felt that a lot of the looking for her resume. She was talking about a historic district down in Alabama or Mississippi. Here it is, keynote. Dr. Gretchen Sullivan And so, you know, she said that the, doesn't talk about it, but what it mentions or what she talked about was that the historic district in the south that she was referring to uh made proper recognition of the contribution of african americans in that district and that she doesn't see that in a lot of the applications and things that are going on up in new york so okay

I mean, the Merchant's House just discovered that they were part of the Underground Railroad, and they're doing the whole interpretation of that, so I don't know. Who is it? The Merchant's House. The Merchant's House, New Van, Lund.

Great John III. III. III. He's III in Bowery.

Oh, in the thinking. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know. And Thomas Cole's house has the whole interpretation of the free woman who worked for him. So I think she's thinking about that. No, no, no. Try again.

Positive things.

Yeah, there's a lot of positive things.

The most recent book is Driving While Black, African American Travel and Road to Civil Rights.

But that's not really like preservation. That's more interpretation of historically, right? That's not like that. Right.

Well, I think it was it was more speech to essentially a fairly white audience. that, hey, we do have other ethnic groups that contribute. And I think what she said about African-Americans can also probably apply to Latin groups in certain districts. Yeah. So anyways, if you ever have a chance to go to Cooperstown, I would recommend taking it. because it was a very unique place. The hotel looks like it was nicely situated on the Otsego Lake. Anybody have anything else?

I was trying to bring up that spreadsheet so we could just quickly. Yeah.

You do have- The violation one?

Yeah, just so we know.

Oh, you made it, didn't you?

We know that my computer's not on work.

Did everybody notice the wall at Rosie's Deli?

Yes, it looks awesome. Right. Looks awesome. I can update it.

Oh, then the window's not cut. The yellow building.

Right. They installed... new windows on the lawn terrace is that the name of the street that are it was what was shown in the drawing that operable window and you were like also with the fake white grid in between the panes of glass and he said he ordered the windows by accident and installing them temporarily

Just because he's somebody that owns a lot of property.

Yeah, and I think he's trying, so let's encourage him rather than... Yeah, I can't imagine that he...

they were installed with the intent to leave them, except that I will point out that he thought that the lower right window, when you're looking at that facade of the building, he thought that that matched the ones on the opposite side because it had the same number of panes of glass and it did not. It has the ones on the trail road side have the simulated divided light surface mounted buttons. The one on the East side has the white fake division sandwiched between insulated glass of a bronze window. So it's like a bronze window, black, whatever it is, frame with white fake grid. And Ryan did think, oh, well, no, we're not, he said we're not replacing that one. That one already was replaced. So just the fact that there was that kind of visual mix up. Yeah.

I know that they're under the gun to get this place open. So I don't know. My choices are temporary.

Oh, I have a view only access. So it will be for some reason.

Maybe if you ask, request it. You'll get it.

Yeah. Because, yeah, we definitely will have. Right.

So that was just the one window.

All of the windows. And now all of the rest of those windows were replaced to match that one.

So they all have the fake grid. The window that we approved.

And Lauren pointed out when I texted her that she remembers him saying something about ordering the wrong windows. Yeah, I don't remember the same thing. You do remember.

He said, we ordered these before we came in. We're in a rush. No problem. We'll do the new one. But we have to put those in because they're here. And I thought, I think a few of us thought it's a little weird because then you can't return the windows, then you're putting them in and you're trimming them out. And so like, then you take out the trim. So it's like a lot of work to install the wrong windows, a lot of money, but sometimes install the wrong windows, just install new ones. But I gave him the benefit of the doubt thinking they need to get this place open and he'll, he said he would use the right ones and that's

We send an email from the can we just send an email from the board just very succinctly and be like, hey, we know we just noticed this. I'm sure you're aware. I'm sure you're aware, but this was flagged to us. We don't like this flag to us. We just wanted to bring it to your attention. Sincerely, us. Because the thing is, it's like, yeah, they're temporary, the wrong windows were ordered, who knows, whatever. A couple months from now, the whole building is done, the bakery opens, and then what? I mean, hoping that's not what happens, but like, if it does, then all of a sudden, like, oh, well, they just opened, we can't disrupt the interior, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Shop drawings for the doors. Oh, that's true.

Yeah.

Maybe that's the way to check in.

That and also the, not part of the bakery and I'm not even sure that the on the lower floor because there were some common spaces along that along that side I mean the bakery occupies the first floor but how many windows on that first floor I go by there I'll take a look

I'm not sure, since it's the building owner and not the tenant coming to us, but ultimately what is occupying where, that factors in. But the way he was describing the bakery, the east side, the Lentera side, they even talked about having a walk-up window and door. I think that is bakery zone. I think the bakery is taking up the entirety of that floor. Yeah.

How many windows are there on the first floor?

I think there's four. I want to say there's four on the first and four on the second.

I don't know. And then Kimberly was suggesting to keep it. There's like a patina mismatch of windows showing the history of these changes. So I'm going to keep some of that. So there's a smaller one.

Are you able to access that?

Yeah, now I can. Did you get a link to click to it?

That's 30 names straight, right? I can't even send it to you because you're the owner.

Copy link.

I'm going to text it to you. What's the address?

50 something or other.

So yeah, none of these ones that have potential violations were ever... Do you want to show them the pictures we have of the railing and the place on Church Street where they were? Like they were definitely installing them. It's been kind of brought to our attention.

So this building on Main Street, which had the scaffold up for the last year and a half that they finally took down, they replaced the left railing with two-by-fours.

Well, you had said two-by-fours earlier, and I thought it was like, oh, it's got to be temporary, but all right, that doesn't... That state does work for that.

So... Oh, and then... Well, I guess my question is that isn't the building inspected? I mean, is that code compliant?

I mean, those steps are rotting away. I know someone who lives in that building, and it's like a complete The stems are all rod mitts.

What were they doing in the roof?

They didn't do anything. It looks like they might have replaced one plank.

What is that? I don't know.

I'll have to look. I'll have to look when I walk by. I don't know. And we established that there's nothing.

That, I think, is just for testing any kind of an existing meadow.

It's the other one where this you're saying this is, I don't know what that address is either, but Church Street, correct?

I saw today on the other side, like the south side of the building, there's a building. I don't think there was one. But that was brought to my attention by several surrounding neighbors.

Okay.

she does the letter quickly if they're new home owners yeah that's how sold last year right and that is i think early on maybe they said this isn't possible but ideally a letter we did do the letter um for the lecture right that went exactly with mailboxes but how possible is it for the village cold spring or all realtors like is there some way to write into the code like the charity guidelines and like, you know, outreach, like that also the buildings, but there it's their job, right to refer, refer permit seekers to us, but if they're not going through that process, like if you sit down at a signing, like I don't know if the realtors want to disclose initially, because whatever, but at some point between the first day you're shown a house and the signing, like someone has to give you like the previous owner is required by law to like hand you the HDRB guidelines, then we'd be in much better shape. I don't know what, I mean, maybe that's a village attorney question. I think that is a good question.

Yeah, it's funny, like what is the building on the corner of the yellow building?

Sorry, 162 main is the one that added the solar panel, which I think has this janky railing.

No, they don't.

I'm looking at them wrong. That's saying one's supposed to be two. It's right next to you.

Oh.

Whatever. Maybe it is one. And then, sorry, all the yellow building number. I know.

I can just look up Brian.

Darby? Darby.

37. 37 yeah. So Church Street, we don't have the address to. And then who's the one, the tent, the new store that's directly next to your shop? What is that called?

House something. And then we got, did we get drawings from the John Carr guys? Yeah. Yes. But that'll be next.

he did ask me he said look i'm not going to be here for this meeting should i send the drawing i said actually that would like show that you're Have you guys seen them? Yes. I'd still like to see a site survey with it, a site plan, because we're seeing the elevations, but we don't know where the building is hidden. If that even is there.

A survey, right? Okay. And then the one that's down across the tracks, which is some dance studio.

Right, the old .

I'm going two stores back. The dance place. And who else?

Oh, the fortune teller.

Oh, the fortune, yes.

The goddess. The river goddess, something like that. But didn't she change the sign? She's asking us to...

Yes.

Yeah, but I think we've said we can't approve anything by email. It just should come.

Is that what they, yeah. Signage was, I'm writing just, was approved to be temporary only.

I don't see a template from your site.

Your what?

I don't see a template from your site. That's a pamphlet. When I see that pamphlet, I'm like, we'll give it back.

She wants to judge it. Does she?

Okay.

All right. So what is it that we are, what are the tasks for next month?

somebody needs to get in touch with the the guy that email does it does it does it matter who i i can send an email or do you want it to come from one of you i can send it okay okay because i i'm getting ready to go off on another trip look at you thursday another conference another one conference no no this is uh For some reason, my son decided that he and his wife are going to Iceland. And so they said, do you guys want to come? Okay, we went to Iceland.

I did go with my little brother five or six years ago. We go back every day. I know.

My husband and I did our, like, backpacking honeymoon through. Oh, gosh. It's really gorgeous. And 80% of the people there believe in fairies and elves.

Yeah.

Like, legit. 80% of our clay potions.

I'm going to see Icelandic.

So just the email to Brian Tormey.

Lauren said she'd do it.

From Lauren. And then this is other than some addresses.

Yeah.

Can we prioritize maybe a little bit at the moment? So 37 Maine, I think is a big one.

A lot of this is like signage stuff.

Yeah.

The real...

to be a one right um that seems like we should just say hey we just noticed this you want to tell us what's happening kind of thing i mean the good news is it doesn't seem like they're going to go deeper in the wrong direction no that's yeah obviously um so we'd have to like find out who they are

I mean, is that one that we can pass to the building inspector? Yeah, we should code and you write something up.

Yeah, we can do that.

The railing, the two by railing that's not to code. Instead of us reaching out to that homeowner, would that be an appropriate one for the building inspector to reach out? Yeah, how about that in Church Street? Like I could email.

And just say both of these properties have been brought to our attention and we wanted to bring them to you.

I think this is something that we need to address as to whether or not I know that on and off over the years we've had people who have gone around and noticed things that were non-compliant or things that were done without permission. And the question really is, is that that theoretically is the job of the building inspector.

But there is a form, actually, that reminds me because of the 159 to 63 form, right? Whoever the John Carr addition to the back of that building, whoever had noticed it and went to the village, the village basically said, hey, can you please just fill out this form and then we'll give it to the building inspector. So maybe we should just fill out the form and give it to him. I jumped in, but that's the way to.

Okay, well, that's 197, 199. That is 157 to 163 or 159. 153. And he's working on it.

But that was a way to get the building inspector to be the You know, first line of communication, because it was something that we would have made it.

Actually, probably should have talked to Jeff and see if he had any suggestions on how to establish that sort of communications with the building inspector.

Isn't or what is the name? Isn't Jeff the building inspector?

Jeff is the old clerk. Yeah, Jeff.

Oh, sorry.

And Greg is the old clerk. And there's another Greg. Yeah.

The building inspector is Greg, Greg Wunder.

Right. And there's someone who's new who's helping him as the fire inspector. But I feel like all the protocols are changing though anyway, right? I see people like between what happens in the village versus what happens in the town and how things are shared. Yeah.

I think that what we should do is focus on and. Following up on things like Todd's doing as far as the list of outstanding things, because I think, you know, whether we get anything, any results, I think it's incumbent on us to keep pressing the village

hierarchy that there are things that need to be taken care of so if we've on this list if we've established that there's two items we want to make known to those homeowners so there's the railing the two-by-four railing and the fence on the brick building on garden street you know we need to decide are we sending a letter to these homeowners or is the village inspector, are we sending a form to the inspector so that he can do it, or are we just copying him, but we just need to...

I'd rather not deal with the owner or the resident, because I think ultimately the only enforcement that we have is through the village inspector.

Okay, so then maybe we should do this form, or just email him from...

does it formalize it if there's like here's the form with the date and the complaint and like now you have this thing i mean we submitted it all to the the board of trustees earlier last year right and out of like when this was when that the list was this long there were three or four or five places and um we submitted that to them i just i know that when we were all concerned watching the shed go up on the back of the john carr space um

We emailed him, Greg, but with the form. So I think Village Hall asked for this form that exists already and is there for a reason to be filled out saying, you know, I know this noncompliant blah, blah, blah.

I'm blanking on this form. I think it's a complaint. That's a complaint. So what would you advise for us? My instinct is just to email Greg directly, right? I don't think it's typically the complaint forum is like intended for a president. Right, right. But if you believe it would expedite the process, there's no harm in doing that.

Either way, I just thought it might expedite the process because that's the formal documents that officially sort of sets the clock. But if you want to first email him and see if he responds.

I think that we should be dealing with the building inspector, but we should be sending our summary with the monthly report so that we always keep appraising the Board of Trustees of the problems that we may be having. Well, then also we can use, you know, for example, I think the business about the paint on the wall.

work out quite well and so is the the cafe meeting with Doug I think that's going to resolve and I yeah I mean most of this stuff is signage it's it's like a lot of signage that people just put up and not gotten permission for and I will call out that the um cozy corner has still not removed the plastic greenery

So we're supposed to last year. Some of these are now the balls in their court. They know that they're supposed to be and they haven't. So are we pending a follow up?

We could. We sent a letter to Greg with a lot of that's right. And so now the ball is in his court. And he has to decide what to do. And he's the one. who has the power there and kind of flies to the problem so ideally he would have said to cozy corner hey you still haven't complied you need to go back to the hrt because or or are you saving it for like next time they apply for whatever permit yeah so there is like it's it's like um which is what happened with that 48 i think like i think she applied for another permit and he said you can't

violation was knowledge.

That's not true. I mean, theoretically, you know, there is that phrase in our ordinance which says that, you know, applicants are subject to a fine. Yeah, we just can't impose that. It has to be that. I know. But he can't say that there's nothing that he can do.

No. No, but he can choose when he's using what he's

I feel like we're in some magical fair that I never communicate with. Can we just have a normal coffee with him and understand how he wants to do things so that we can support him?

I mean, that would be very helpful because this list is growing by the week and also submitting 16 violations is probably going to go nowhere because it just keeps piling up.

Maybe there's a process he prefers from us.

Well, when I get back, I think we should be having a meeting with him. Because if I remember correctly, the Board of Trustees is giving some money to the town to pay for additional building inspections. by the town inspector.

That's great. So he'll be spending more time looking at it.

So we do have a right to say, hey, you're getting all these big bucks. You're getting 1.8. You can keep that if you want to.

Yeah.

Yeah. You're getting $1.8 billion. Yeah. 1.8.

And then they're going to give Abby a raise for all of those dealing with the historic review board. And then they're going to pay, they're going to pay a staff, like another staff member. So it would be Abby just for that sort of . We're really on the right track.

Can I vote to Thorne and Spaten? Second. Second. All in favor say aye. Aye.

Aye.

Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Have a good trip, Al.

all right thank you don't go in the fairy ring don't go into one don't go into the harry ring and many believe Lauren knows a lot of things.