City Council - Regular Meeting

Thank you.

All right, I'd like to welcome you all to the Louisville City Council meeting on Tuesday, September 8th, 2026. We will start with a public hearing for ordinance number 26-49.

Being an ordinance, accepting the final plat for Aspire at Orchard Park number 2B, located within the corporate limits of the city of Louisville, Ohio.

Is anyone here to speak on ordinance number 26-49? Okay. I will call this meeting to order and ask for approval of September 8th, 2026 meeting agenda.

Make that motion, Mayor.

Second. All right. Let's go and vote.

Johnston.

Yes.

McAllister-Atkins. Yes. Street. Yes. Aljancic. Yes. Godown.

Yes. Please bow your heads for a moment of silent prayer. Amen. Please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance. roll call johnston here mcallister atkins here street here aljanta here gadone here okay we have a certificate of an open meeting um as well as the minutes from the august 18th 2026 regular meeting are there any additions or corrections okay i'd ask that you accept them as presented and we will move to ordinance number 26-49

Being an ordinance accepting the final plat for Aspire at Orchard Park number 2B, located within the corporate limits of the city of Louisville, Ohio.

I'll make the motion we bring ordinance number 26-49 to the table for discussion.

Second.

Mayor, this is the second final reading of the ordinance to approve the final plot for Aspire at Orchard Park 2B. This is the area that would be in the northwest of the residential area in that development. D.R. Horton, which is the new builder for that area, is who will build on the lots. And we are asking for it. By emergency, as you are all well informed of the shortage of housing in Stark County, we don't want to delay the development and the building of these homes any further than we need to.

Okay.

We've talked about this a lot. Does anybody have any other questions or comments?

Just looking forward to getting the ball rolling on it.

Same. Let's go ahead and vote.

Johnston? Yes. McAllister-Atkins? Yes. Street? Yes. Aljancic? Yes. Godown?

Yes. I'll make a motion we suspend the rules to consider ordinance number 26-49 by emergency. I'll second that, Mayor. Let's go ahead and vote.

Johnston? Yes. McAllister-Atkins? Yes. Street? Yes. Aljancic? Yes. Godown?

Yes. Okay, that moves us to resolution number 26-50.

Being a resolution approving the acceptance of the subdivision bond as the performance guarantee for Aspire at Orchard Park number 2B.

I'll make the motion to bring Resolution 26-50 to the table for discussion.

Second.

mayor this is just a bond that ensures the remainder of the infrastructure for that same development is properly and ultimately installed how does that bond amount get set estimates based on the work that has to be done and so this is something that we've started a couple years ago where to prevent you know issues like we've had with the sewer lines you know off of one of the newer allotments off of reno that Well, that was kind of a different issue, but this ensures, to your point, that the remaining infrastructure, the roads, the sidewalks, the curb, the stuff that the developer has to put in yet is done properly. Slightly different, but same concept.

Similar to the OmniFiber deal too, right, Andy?

correct okay so this is a guarantee that eventually you know things may not be perfect along the way but it has some leverage for the city to make sure that it is completed installed before the bonds released okay let's go ahead and vote johnston yes mcallister-atkins yes street yes algianza yes godone yes okay that brings us to resolution number 26-51

being a resolution approving the acceptance of the development agreement for Aspire at Orchard Park, number 2B.

I'll make a motion that we bring Resolution 2651 to the table. Second.

All right, Mayor. Also, obviously, Orchard Park. And this is simply a requirement of the ordinance. The agreement just ensures that the development is compliant with Part 11 of the Planning and Zoning Code, which it is.

Any questions? All right, let's go ahead and vote.

Johnston? Yes. McAllister-Atkins? Yes. Street? Yes. Aljancic? Yes. Godone?

Yes. Next up is resolution number 26-52.

Being a resolution authorizing the city manager to prepare and submit an application to apply for Muskingum Conservancy District Partners in Watershed Management Project Assistant Grant.

I'll make a motion that we bring resolution 2652 to the table.

I'll second.

as you know mayor last year we started to implement some of the recommendations of the army corps of engineer relative to mitigating our flooding there of course is an expense to that we're drawing out of a single individual storm water fund so that is limited what this will do provided it's granted is give us the ability to continue what we've started and further mitigate the flooding

Great. When is the deadline for that? Will the grant be ready soon?

We've actually, the application's already been submitted. It needs to be followed up with this and some other documentation. But this particular grant is the one that you can apply for at different times. It's not a one-and-done type of grant. Once a year. Yeah, we'll continue as we work through the phases. We'll continue to apply for the grant. It was due on September 1st.

Yeah, that's the one I saw. It was due September 1st. That's what I was wondering.

But we got leeway to submit the resolution, and letters of support will be going to them.

It won't be submitted. It won't be official until the resolution is submitted.

Gotcha. Is it a set dollar amount every time, or is it? You can ask for different amounts.

Yeah, you can ask for different amounts, and we're asking for the amount that we hope to be able to do each year with these phases. Okay.

This is the one Commissioner Harold has helped us with the recommended form. Yes.

We met with him two weeks ago along with the Muskegum Watershed staff. They apparently have considerably more resources now than maybe they have in the past because we've not received a lot of support in the past.

i guess newfound resources we're we're uh hoping that we can get some of that uh some of that funding great cool all right let's go ahead and vote johnston yes mcallister atkins yes street yes algiers yes godone yes okay next up is ordinance number 26-53 being an ordinance authorizing the city manager to enter into a depository agreement with Huntington National Bank for active interim and or inactive deposits for the period from November 1st 2026 to October 31st 2031 I'll make motion we bring ordinance number 26-53 to the table for discussion you got it

Also, Mary, a requirement of the Harvard Vice Code, it simply allows us to continue to deposit taxpayer money into accounts at Huntington Bank. This particular agreement covers November 1st of 26 until October 31st of, I know my email to you says 203, but it's actually 2031. The current one expires at the end of October, so we're just making sure that this is in place before it expires so that we can continue to use Huntington Bank for those purposes.

And what percentage of our funds do we have in Huntington, would you say?

I believe at last count, we generally track it by what percentage is invested, so this would be everything else. And I think we're at somewhere around 83 to 86% invested, so the other 15-ish percent or so is with Huntington.

Okay. We've been using them for a while.

As long as I am aware of, yeah.

We started using Huntington when First Merit, if you'll remember, First Merit was on Gorgas there, County Quarter from City Hall. And not every bank can do government banking. First Merit was one of them, and when they left, we transitioned to Huntington, who at the time had an office in Giant Eagle or a branch in Giant Eagle. They no longer have that, but they are capable of doing government banking, so we stayed with them.

Is consumers able to do government banking? That I don't know off the top of my head.

I believe when, and this is going back several years, when the finance director at the time looked at it, Huntington was the only

the only option we can certainly explore it again yeah no I think it was the only option at the time I don't have anything against I think I just know consumers has local headquarters that kind of things but yeah I don't have any problem with continuing this for now let's go ahead and vote Johnston yes McAllister Atkins yes Street yes Al Jantzic yes Godone yes Okay.

Next up is resolution number 26 dash 54 being a resolution of appreciation and gratitude to police Lieutenant William crystal wagon for exceptional law enforcement service to the community during his 33 years with the city of Louisville.

Why make the motion? We bring resolution 26 dash 54 to the table.

I'll second. I'll say not only should we bring him to the table, we should bring the man of the hour and the chief out front.

And his family. Yeah. Picture time. Picture time. We don't have a herald, but we have.

Spotlight back there.

Come on. Come on, Lauren. All right. Looks like the president. All right.

Thank you. Thank you, Lieutenant Stillwagon. Let's go ahead and vote just to make that official.

Johnston.

Yes.

McAllister-Atkins. Yes. Street.

Yes.

Aljancic. Yes. Gadone.

Yes. Okay. That brings us to the persons appearing before council. So Karen, if you'd like to come up first or if you guys like to come together, you're welcome to stand up at the podium and just say your name, your address, and then you have five minutes to share.

Okay. and first I just want to say how grateful we are for the dog park it's a great place for the dogs to meet for the to get their exercise for us to meet as a community but we need to keep them safe and I have a little show-and-tell i brought a couple rocks that the dogs are running in when they run the fence line so i just want you to see uh the injuries that can happen some of my cohorts here that bring their dogs um we want them safe and i say they don't just skip and you know frolic along beside the fence line these dogs are moving and they run my dog runs 40 yards in four seconds So he, these, and her dog has like Jeff Jewel in his butt, like he flies.

Karen, why don't you pass them around? Oh, you want to see, you want to hold them? No, pass them to Tiffany, pass them. I take my grand dogs there.

Yeah, Nacho comes. And we just had a dog injured on Saturday. Doberman was running and there's blood on the rocks and he hurt his toenail. Yeah, so as much as we like the dog park, we really want to keep them safe. And it's the one between the small part dog side and the big dog side. They run that middle section. Well, they run all of them, but mainly that middle section. We do have a petition of almost 40 signatures that are in agreement with us that these rocks need to be removed. and something safer put in. We've kind of looked at different options, pea gravel, mulch. I don't know if you've seen the rocks at the library. They're like round, smooth pond rocks almost. I think that would be good.

What is it?

Riverstone. i know something was brought up when we were at the parks committee that said if they bring the rocks up then the weeds would come and they didn't want to spray because it would be dangerous for the dogs but we noticed last week all of it was sprayed regardless so that was a moot point um so i don't know if you guys what your recommendations are if you've You were going to do your due diligence and make your recommendation to the council. We also did our due diligence and we have a couple of quotes from, uh, people that go to the dog park. They looked at the job and what it would take. And they gave us a quote. Um, and I will say, I know a lot of work went into the dog memorial for the dead dogs. You have a little name engraved on it. That engraver was $4,100. now i know we could do a lot better for alive dogs than we're doing for dead dogs um what else i do know uh like i said they're excited to come my dog as soon as i turn on nickel plate you can hear him coming he starts barking whining crying he knows he's going to the park and i know As they're pulling up into Metzger Park, we can hear them. They're excited to come, but again, I say we have to keep them safe.

Yeah, Denise. Some of the complaints they were saying when I talked to Corey is, well, we don't have the money for it. But again, if you're going to spend almost $5,100 on a memorial for dead dogs, I think we can spend money on live dogs. The quote that we got was for $5,200. We're waiting to hear from Darrell. Darrell was supposed to be coming up with some kind of a quote or recommendation. He was talking about having to remove the entire fence, which the quote we got, he wouldn't have to do that. um i mean you could even since there's a problem i like to provide a solution i mean you can even get get some of the boy scouts out there get some of these young kids out there we'll volunteer you guys i mean they could put that on your college applications that hey i did this volunteer work to make the dog park safer that wouldn't cost the city of louisville any money um and again they could pad their college applications with that I know you said too there was only two complaints about the rocks but everybody I've spoken to at the dog park they say yes it's a problem we don't know who to contact about it which is why we got the signatures for the petition to show this is a big concern and Not only was his dog hurt. Mine was. Her dog was hurt. Another dog was hurt that had to go to the emergency clinic. So it's not just minor injuries. And if you see the blood on the rocks, you would know this is a problem. And dogs are stupid. I mean, they will run. They will just run until they pass out. So they don't know to stop when they're hurt. His dog kept running for another half hour after his paws were bleeding. We have had humans get caught up in the rocks and hurt their ankle too. But it really is an awesome park. I mean, it's so fun to watch your dog have fun with other dogs and they need the exercise so bad, especially in this hot weather when you really can't take them for long walks, but you can take them to the dog park. i mean that's really the only complaint and i didn't like seeing the grass sprayed because there could be toxic chemicals in that um which was actually a suggestion that i made but when i researched it's like the chemical residue if they lick it off their feet they could get really sick and the rocks definitely are not they're helping a little bit with the grass coming up through them But I was told that there was a drainage system underneath, and then I was told there wasn't a drainage system underneath. So I don't know if rocks need to be there to protect that. But the rocks that are in place are just they're razor sharp. They're huge fist-sized rocks, and they're razor sharp, and they're just They just need to be removed. I mean, even if we remove them and don't replace them with anything. So they're running on dirt. If it is something that needs to be protected, then you replace them with smaller stones. The quote that we got was for P gravel, which really honestly, I think is probably too small. Cause that's that real like pea sized. but the river rocks or the pond rocks would be good. But the quote we got from him was for $5,200. So I think in comparison to what we spent on the Memorial, and I know that that wasn't paid for all the city money. I know that it was donations, but if we can get those same people who are dog lovers, who are obviously dog lovers, or else they wouldn't have contributed for the dog Memorial. If we can get those same people to contribute or again, get some kids out there. I mean, get these big football players out there that could be a good workout for him you know get him out there it would be a lot of work i'm not saying it's not it would be a lot of a lot of manual labor but the quote that we got was for him removing them with probably like a bobcat or something so it is something that could be done Um, I think that's all I have. Yeah.

All right. Thank you. Um, yeah. And I just want to clarify when, whenever we get an email, we have a strong city manager week council form of government. So it doesn't matter if you email me or anybody else up here, you know, it's, It's against the charter for me to call and be like, hey, Daryl, dig the rocks up. This weekend, go. And what I was saying was there's not money apportioned for it in the budget. And so if it's not a project that we have budgeted, we have to go through the correct process, which you guys have done. And I think there's many dog lovers, including myself, up on the stage. And I am not opposed to correcting the issue. I appreciate you doing the research. I appreciate you getting other people in agreement and seeing that it's more of a problem. Now, in the five years, and Andy, you can correct me, that we've had the park, this is the first, this summer was the first that I had heard any concerns with that. But now that we know it's an issue, I don't have any problem with... looking at that seeing if we can get that knocked out here this fall if we have money in this year's budget we're looking to next year now Darrell can you explain kind of from the parks committee side since you were there kind of either is there drainage there what what are some of the issues we're looking at what do you what do you think after you know hearing them probably best course of action would be yeah so like she said we talked at the parks committee about it the there is drainage there so I

Yeah, unfortunately I'm not sure what the situation there is, but I've been assured that there is, in fact, drainage on there. Well, I've dug down into the loft to be completely honest with you. I'm seeing drainage.

All I'm seeing is netting.

So if it's way down there, I mean, I guess I just like more of an explanation because I've dug down. There's nothing down there.

there is drainage that's the issue and noted we were at the parks many was trying to explain was for us when we put those in so we built that was built the same way that the retention pond fence was built around the new one that's south of the library there so Just a quick rundown of how that goes. The poles are put in for that fence. Then we come in and put the drainage in. Then we put the rocks in. Then they put the actual webbed fencing up to complete that process. So those rocks are underneath all of that fencing. So what I was saying, you'd have to take that down. If you want to do that without damaging the fence, you're likely going to have to take some of that fencing down to be able to do that without damaging it. That's not to say that we kind of talked about it since that parks meeting. And one of the ideas was to take some of those rocks out and then put, like you were talking, a smaller rock on top of that to smooth it out. That's an option that we could do for that area. But as far as taking the rocks out altogether, as far as doing away with that, I think that would be worse than what we have now.

Yeah, I wouldn't necessarily, I don't know if that would be, I mean, it seems like if you were not digging everything up, if you were just taking almost the top layer and using like a river rock, something smoother. Yes.

That sounds feasible.

Yes. And that's what we've talked about since then is doing something like that where we're not taking all the rocks out, we're not digging down so far as to try to get all of them to branch out.

Because you'd have the big rocks would be a good base and then have the smaller ones on top. Correct.

Is the proposal for the whole way around or just that middle stretch that separates the...

They're in the center too, right? The divider for the small dog?

That's the main area that they're getting hurt. They run the fence lines. Oh, I love it.

They'll chase the big dog. They love it.

As long as they're separated. I love it. He chases the cars up and down the fence line. It wears him out. It does, yeah.

So from Council, and I guess this is a question for Daryl or Andy, if we're okay, I mean, it sounds like a very, in the grand scheme of the budget, a reasonable amount. Is there anything that needs changed budget-wise, or is there money currently allocated that could be used to, you know, I'm not saying tear everything up, but at least whether it's purchasing River Rock or manually moving that out, or do we need to contract that out? What do you think the best plan is?

I know that Daryl's guys are tasked and they prioritize things and things that currently need to get done unfortunately don't get done because we just don't have the human resources to get everything done. What's your...

Yeah, I think, I don't know who said it, but if it was something that was a wintertime project, that that would be doable. I know it's something that people are looking at that now. I don't know that that's something that we can feasibly do at the moment.

So you can't entertain the quote that we had? You can't consider that as far as someone who could probably do it tomorrow?

Yeah, I know $5,000 doesn't sound like a lot, but as far as our parks budget is concerned, that's a substantial amount of money for what we currently have at this point in the year.

So you and the park department, the workers, would be doing the work? Is that what you're saying? Right. Okay.

Would you want volunteers?

So I love the idea of volunteers. I guess that's a conversation we'll have to have with Andy and I to figure out how to go about that. I guess my hesitation is volunteers being around heavy machinery. Okay. Bye, Billy.

Bye, all of you.

nobody asked legal yet we weren't that wasn't actually it wasn't it wasn't it wasn't city funds and it wasn't us that raised the money it was a private person who wanted to do the memorial

remembrance to his to his mother so we we'll accept donations at any meeting but i i guess it goes two way if it's a if it's heavy machinery if it's you know actually affecting things that are on top of a drainage system i understand we can't have you know we can't pull every all the kids that showed up to the meeting tonight and ask her to go and and do that i i would just ask that we have a if when you have a chance to investigate it bring black and have a plan of action either for the parks committee or you know it probably appropriate to do with the parks committee and then just to keep us updated because it it's obviously more of a widespread issue than we were previously aware of and i thought that was the purpose of this meeting is you're going to make your recommendation and then bring it to the council so you don't have a recommendation

take some of those rocks out replace them with a finer smoother rock that covers what's there instead of taking it all out that's yeah that's still my recommendation and i will say where you have brought up multiple times that no one has complained until now over the last five years the volume of dogs that are now entering this park is has grown many times over at one time there could be 10 12 dogs running you know and

I'm glad we have a lot of people using the parks. I'm just, I didn't want the perception to be out there that this is something like we've been ignoring, you know, for years and years. Like this summer was the first it was brought to our attention. And unfortunately, you know, between budgets and meetings and, you know, public processes, like government takes a little bit longer to act. I hear your concerns. I want the concerns acted on. It sounds like we'll be updated on when there's a timeline or if there's a budget request, you know, for additional materials there. But I would just ask that you keep us posted on that. And, you know, I know they had contacted the Parks Department, you know, so if you can keep them on the e-mail on that, I'd appreciate it. Sure. Okay. All right, next up is the Legacy of Honor. Come on down.

Yeah, if you want to share a little bit.

About your organization, just tell us name, address, where you're from, what you're about, and then what the big check's about.

Yeah, so my name's Ethan Rebuck. I'm a board member with Legacy of Honor, and we have a building located on West Main Street right next to Ted's Auto Sales, 908 West Main Street. And right here I have my wonderful touch a truck committee. So, this year, and for the last three years, we ran a touch a truck event for Louisville, and in support of legacy of honor which is a nonprofit that supports veterans first responders and their families in our community. And legacy touch a truck a lot of people want to bring it up think that it's you know you hold on to a vehicle and your last person you win it. But it's for the families and the children in our Community to get to know the different first responders or companies in our Community. and so that they're not scared when they see you know a cruiser coming down the road or they're not scared when they see a big truck and they're excited and it engages their mind and so um as a committee we've grown this this year we have all these wonderful ladies who helped me out and as a man I can admit we need women more than anything they took this event to another level and We went from raising nothing to raising $5,000 last year. Miranda was a huge help in that. And then this year, we raised $13,000. And so our goal was to double that number, was to go from $5,000 to $10,000, straight back to Legacy of Honor so they could support those families and first responders and veterans. And since we went above and beyond that goal, we want to give some of that money back straight to the departments to be able to go for their own needs, right? So a lot of this money is going to go back already on different resources, such as mental health and activities for those members. But we're giving $1,000 to Louisville Police Department, Louisville Fire Department, and Nimishill Township and their department. We've got a big check here that we're just going to give them a check, and they're going to be able to use it unsolicited. So we're excited to present that.

All right. Thank you.

Thank you again. Appreciate it.

Thanks very much.

Okay, thank you again. And that brings us to our presentation regarding flock cameras. So, Chief?

Sure. I invited Detective Clark to come speak since he runs our flock camera program for the department. I figured he was the most knowledgeable to do a presentation for you guys and we're happy to answer any questions.

Down there.

Thank you. That's why I don't do stuff anymore. I screw up anything anymore.

Technology is supposed to be so easy.

Who did do the dog tags?

They're the ones that cost 50 cents a take. The library doesn't take it.

You choose the little thing. They're about this big. Yeah, it is.

Absolutely. I mean, I take the green card, so whatever. Somehow I draw a line. There's time for a lot more. I see Mike's dog.

When I have him, he's like crazy. And then he just plops down. Nacho. Nacho dog ramble. You're retired.

You came up with some things to do with that, right? I can be your scientist. Thanks for having me.

I had a family friend who did bodybuilding, so I went to one of the carnivores.

And like, I couldn't understand how it was created. Because she was like, there's just these extremely skilled girls standing on stage, and they're all just like raided. And I was like, they look, they all look outrageously fit.

All right. Oh, no.

Caitlin, don't leave.

So there's both women and men. OK.

They look great in these kids.

all right flock safety obviously my name is detective zach large i work for the lewisville police department some of the things we're going to cover today and some of the topics what is flock safety how is the program used flock privacy some of the privacy that goes into it the accountability data ownership data security data accuracy benefits for the safety So what is flock safety? Can anybody tell me what flock safety is or what type of company it is? So flock safety is flock cameras or license plate readers that record the vehicle's color, make, model, as well as date and time and location of its sighting. Motion sensors capture still pictures. That's all it is. It's a still picture. Once that picture goes into their system, the system analyzes the plates of all 50 states. Obviously, it's continuously learning. over you know weeks and weeks and like they switched plates um so it's also interconnected and what it does is it creates a big system to alert us to the license plates that come in and out of the city why flock cameras are not speed cameras once again flock cameras are not speed cameras flock cameras are designed to identify vehicles for purposes like criminal investigations missing person cases and safety incident response All it does is, like I said before, it captures vehicle details, license plate, make, model, color, and other visible characteristics, like whether you've got a roof rack, a toolbox. Those are about the only main things that it captures. Flock cameras do not have the technology to read your phone or your text message data as you drive past them. That's one of the big things that everyone thinks, that you scan your phone as you drive past them. They do not. So that's what it looks like. That's what a flock camera looks like. It's usually mounted on a live pole or on a utility pole somewhere. Speed cameras. This is what East Canton has. They detect vehicles exceeding the speed limit, document the violation, and issue a citation. Those are not what we have. As you can see, there's a picture of one down in East Canton off of State Route 44. They look completely different. So this screen, I'm going to kind of walk Council through. This is what we log into. So there's multi-factor authentication that you log into. Once you log in, this is the screen that pops up. This is the platform. As you can see up in the top left-hand corner, you might not be able to see it, but there's a fence type. There's about 53 different fence categories that you have to at least select one that's the reason why you're looking at the vehicle or the license plate next to that is you must enter a case number now it's wired because i flock to enter a case number and have the offense type

And also the reason.

If we don't happen to have a case number, say we're out on an investigation, we haven't had time to go back to our computers and set an actual physical case number, at least we put a description as to why. So we can at least correlate that when we do the audit of what why we're looking at it and then obviously there's the license plate and the state you obviously enter the license plate in the state and you have it and then below that is that you can enter the make model and body type of the vehicle along with the the color and then below that you can also look up you can switch your network network whether you want to look at louisville or you think they fled this you know the city and went to canton or north canton you can expand your search to that area and search all their lprs as well so say we're looking for a hit to get a vehicle with injuries or something like that and they fled to canton we can start trying to figure out where that vehicle went um we can do 15 minute increments to you know 30 day increments they have since changed flock now they're only storing it for seven days the data for seven days you can opt into 30 days into an evidence mode which they're still developing so such as myself if i was looking at a broader bigger investigation i required that 30 days to figure out where a vehicle was going or a pattern that's when that would be used. But everyday use, it's only seven days and then the data is completely wiped free and gone. All right, flock privacy. The data, such as the license plate or the pictures, is owned by us and will never be sold. We control that data on their server, so they cannot choose what they want to do with it. Private customers never have access to government data or hollis. As you might have seen in the social media, Lowe's and a lot of loss prevention teams have flock cameras on their private properties. They don't have access to our data. So say we put a suspect on a hollis that we're trying to find or it's got a warrant, they can't see any of that and vice versa. Like I said, such as Lowe's cannot access government data or Hollis. The default is seven day retention. And like I said, the evidence mode is for longer storage for no longer than 30 days. Like I said, Detective Sletcher and myself can preserve that information. offense you can one of the new things you can do is you can do a fence filtering for sharing so what that is you can collect you can click certain offenses that you want to share with maybe neighboring jurisdictions or whoever else has access to flock so say I'm only I want to share you know if I search for a murderer or something like that they can only look for the murderer category That explains what I just explained. Flock LPRs have no access to personal identifiable information. So it's basically a license plate. It does not show any type of personal information. It does not say, you know, height, weight, sex, where you live, nothing. It doesn't even provide a driver's license photo. um our own our agency is the only one who can decide who we share the information with on flocks so we i physically have to go in there and accept or deny requests from neighboring departments that say north canton wants to be able to read our or look at our license plates say they got a crime street going on they think it's coming over to lewisville that information is good to know and you know obviously they can see where the vehicle's been Like I said before, all the data is in an encryption and what that basically means is the sender is encrypted, the information from the sender such as Flock is encrypted and it's de-encrypted on our end so nobody can hack it and get in and look at that information. Accountability. This is new. What they have came out with is an audit assistance. So basically it's AI and it detects abnormal activity and flags it for administrator review. So it will automatically say somebody's running plates, you know, mass amount of plates at four o'clock in the morning and that's outside their normal time of running plates. It will flag it, it will send it to myself, the chief, and three lieutenants, and then we will review it to make sure they're not using it for any nefarious reasons or anything they shouldn't be using it for. uh also it requires a case code like i said report for uh a reason um if like if we're out on the scene and we we don't actually have a report and bring them there but we will at a later date um like you said proactive lockout it will automatically lock you out if you if it senses some behavior outside the norm that it should not be FLOC encourages all agencies to have regular audits to ensure proper usage. So what I do every day is first thing when I show up in the morning, I log into FLOC, look at the whole audit history for the day prior, make sure there's case number, make sure there's some sort of reason as to why that plate was red. And then if there's not, obviously I bring it to the chief's attention and they deal with it accordingly. But that's our checks and balances that we do here at the police department. There's the chain of command. Obviously the chief of police is up first and then myself since I'm in charge of the program and the day shift afternoon and midnight lieutenant and then obviously patrol is underneath those as well. Data ownership. Like I said before, we own the data that is captured by Flock. The principle is simple. Customers own the data, decide who can access it and choose who we share it with. Data security. This is where I don't know what Mission Fox is. I do know it's a cybertech company that does audits. So this year Flock hired Mission Fox. It's an independent security firm. They're doing all their checks and balances and running through their system, make sure they have no vulnerabilities, and they are going to publish that publication in September, which it has not been released yet. Obviously there's multi factor authentication like everything now you can get on Google. I believe there's multi factor authentication code. Alright, data accuracy and alert is a lead, not a conclusion. We should be, which should be confirmed by the officer. Obviously an officer is not going to get alerted on on the laptop or the MDT and be like, oh, I'm going to stop. I see this car. I'm going to stop it. It's their job to verify that at that information is in fact correct.

Whether they run the license plate through our.

leads terminal and it comes back as actually the person is wanted in the owner of the vehicle so then they will stop the car and they affect their arrest but it's up to the individual officer to determine that information is correct that the reason why it got a hit um like i said it's the program scans for the license plates and characteristics of the license plates and reports whatever it sees FLOC goes further and obviously it's always continually learning the 50 states and all the different plates that they come out each year or each day, actually each month. And then every reads it comes with a confidence score. Low confidence reads are flagged. Obviously they're not pushed out to us and then if they are a high confidence or they are then pushed out to us and then they are compared to our department hot list. They were working in case that we put a plate on those hot lists. Final safeguard is human. Like I said before, it's up to the individual officer to. Make sure that information is correct and make sure they have you know, probable cause to make that stop or pull that person over. They should never just rely on just, you know, computers because, you know, computers can be wrong. This is a little stat they put. This combined system of safeguards results in fewer than nine humans reported every, or human reported errors in every one million orders. So nine out of one million alerts. That's pretty good odds of there not being a mistake on Floch's end. Flock impact. In jurisdictions where a flock is deployed, an estimate of 20% of cases were assisted with flock technology. More than 110,000 missing persons were located last year with the help of flock, totally more than 27 per day. This is in the United States. Where a flock is deported, roughly one in five cases cleared by law enforcement involved flock technology at some point. Flock has helped the Louisville Police Department solve approximately 75 cases since their deployments three years ago, which for the amount of reports we have versus the amount of cases, that's a good chunk of our reports, our cases that do benefit by this. Some of the local news where Flock has tremendously helped us. This gentleman, He came to Louisville. He posed as a bail bondsman. He scammed an elderly couple out of $5,500, stating that he was a bail bondsman. He then traveled across Ohio, PA, back to New Jersey. In total, he was up where about a million dollars or so, but it was because of our flock camera and me being able to identify the vehicle that he was in, when he came here to the city and traveled all the way back to New Jersey, that he is now getting sentenced here federally. And the elderly couple that does live here, they are getting their $5,500 back through restitution. There was also an elderly female down in Dover that was also scammed out of $25,000 by him as well. So what are flock cameras? I don't know if a lot of people have social media, but everybody remember the minivan going ball-hawing on the golf course about two months ago up in Aurora, Hudson area? So this gentleman, he stabbed his girlfriend 15 times in a can. Later that day, his plate hit on flock. He then got in pursuit with officers up in Hudson area, and then he actually shot at a state trooper, and they were subsequently able to apprehend him and bring him into custody. Some more local news. Medina, not too far away from here, there's a missing elderly female. She had gone missing in her vehicle. Not sure where she was. They were able to locate her within a couple hours. Here she was down in Cincinnati. She had dementia and she should not have been driving, but they were able to find her via flock. So there's huge benefits to being able to find elderly. This is just a small scope of what we see locally. Nationwide, I just saw a kid the other day got found within 45 minutes, a missing kid, because they were able to put the truck in flock and find the truck. The guy who kidnapped the kid got arrested. This is a local article, Governor Mike DeWine and Andy Wilson, a back flock, and amid civil liberties debate, there's a little quote from Andy Wilson, our Attorney General. So as we move further on, technology is greatly helping us solve crimes. Another article, Amy Acton backs police immunity, defends flock cameras. She said something similar about technology and the use during, to help us do our job. Support. Most of you guys haven't heard about NECMEC. Basically this is for missing and exploited children. Also it deals with child pornography cases, stuff like that. So they're one of the big supporters. There's just one more quote. So they came out over the 100 missing children cases have been resolved thanks to the switch that action enabled by this technology. Another one is mad mothers against drug driving. Basically hit scale of severe crashes, drug impaired, alcohol impaired, able to bring those people to justice. Does council have any questions?

So I would like to add, I know Detective Clark said some things that he's used Flock for. So when I was an officer and working in the school, we had an adult male leave the middle school and we were unable to stop him in our area and he was having a mental health and medical issue and we were able to put his plate in. and about an hour later bedford police called us and they had made contact with him at a gas station and they were able to call an ambulance for him and get to get him to a hospital to where he received necessary medical attention we've also used it here a lot for domestic violence victims if they know their perpetrator might have a warrant they're afraid that they're going to come back or that they're going to be strangled or killed and we're able to put that information in flocks so we can even see if they come back in town there was a judge I think about two years ago let somebody out released from the jail for a medical issue and had put a ankle monitor on him and he was a very dangerous felon and he had cut off his ankle bracelets and he had three women sexual assault victims that lived here in the city that were just a disaster over it but we knew what kind of car he drove and what kind of car his friend drove and we were able to put their plates in flock and that helped us can't locate him. So we we use it to keep our community safe.

were talking about alerts so do you can you request an alert so you put in somebody's plate and say i want to know that's what a hot list is okay we have a department issue hot list and then somebody like meet myself since i work with all the investigations i have my own college so where i put like a plate specific to my investigation in it i manually have the end of the plate and then what that does is If it finds that plate, it will alert me and say, hey, that person just came into town. One of the big things people use it for is like catalytic converter thefts. If we know that there's a crime spree or somebody cutting those off in a neighboring jurisdiction, that information will share through the intel group. And I can put that in our system. And that way, if, say, Midnight's is out patrolling, they realize, hey, I just got an alert. Hey, this guy's in town. Oh, I better go to that area and try to make sure they're not

So the alert comes when they hit ours. Correct. Is that correct? Correct. Okay. For us. For us. How many? We have 12. Is that right? Eight. We have eight of those. What's our cost? Do we have grants paying for some of this?

There's an annual subscription renewal that's somewhere between, it's varied from year to year, but it's been consistently somewhere between $20,000 and $25,000. Okay.

so if someone has a warrant out for their arrest is that automatically uploaded in in the system if they were to come in the city so that that's one thing about warrants only if the vehicle is attached so say you when you go to the bnb and you register your your vehicle to your name that's the only time we'll automatically alert us that there's someone in person the only other time is if we enter it and that we know you're one of yours say you're driving grandma's vehicle or grandpa's vehicle or some other family member and we know that we want to get you stopped we will put that plate in and verify you're driving it and then stop so it's more of an investigative tool than anything or a neighbor agency you know allows us or believes that they would come this way they would give us the access as well

A few years ago, we had people coming over from Canton. I mean, that was an issue. I think we used this, correct?

Yes, yes.

Can you expand on that a little bit?

Sure, sure.

Not just anybody coming from Canton.

no sure yes yes i mean there might be somebody who resides in canton that has um some felony warrants and would be dangerous and they might have family or a girlfriend or a boyfriend that they frequently stay here with um we would get that information so we that we would know they were in town here and then we're able to assist in arresting them for whatever department i mean from it's usually can or the sheriff's department

Well, I appreciate your time. I think it's a hard balance to strike because it sounds like the flock itself is catching up on a lot of the safeguards and a lot of the concerns people have had. And I even saw the state of Ohio puts out a weekly, I think the PBS puts out a weekly thing, and they basically said their local communities are left to regulate this issue. It's not really something that the state or the federal government has touched a whole lot and so i mean part of what the reason coming here is like the data whether it's data sharing or the you know seven days and things being cleared out would it make sense or tanya do you know of any other communities that have looked at basically putting those protections in place, just saying like, you know, by ordinance, this is what we do, this is how we operate, and just to give the safeguard and the protection, because there's definite, there's always trade-offs, but there is upside, and when there's, whether it's, you know, taking care of getting felons off the roads, or missing senior citizens, or making sure that, you know, domestic abusers, if they're coming in, like are notified, like I think they're You can have feelings on one side or the other, but there is positive to it. So how do we, the system that we've had for three years, this isn't something new, how do we put it in a box where we're striking that correct balance?

Yeah, I can look into that. I know that, you know, this has become something, we've had it for three years, but it's just become public. Everyone's thinking about it in probably like the last six months is what I've Really, people, I don't know what triggered it.

It's become popular. And, you know, what Detective Clark did, at least we tried to do here, is clarify. We have had people come into the department. I'm happy. He's happy. Any of our officers are happy to answer any questions. Like, if you look online, people are like, oh, I got I got a speeding ticket from the flock camera in Louisville. Well, that would be inaccurate because it's not a speed camera. So I think some of these cameras that are out and about cause confusion as to what their purpose is. I don't think Detective Clark touched on this, but I think it's important to know all it does is take a picture of the license plate, and it has to be inputted. so it's not every plate that goes by we're getting pictures of it's a plate that's been inputted into the system that we have or another department has an investigation or somebody has a warrant and it's a picture of a plate it's not a picture of the person driving the car so like he said we have to verify who it is and there's nothing that tracks it so it just is letting us know hey this car with this plate drove past your flock camera it does not tell us no well now it turned down this street we it's just letting us know that the car is now in our area So I do think there is some confusion and how it's monitored. Detective Clark's office is right next to mine. Every morning we talk. We're a small department. If there's a plate in our flock system, we know why. We talk all day long. Again, we're a smaller department to where maybe some bigger departments, more people are able to input more information. But I really feel like we don't have any issues here. I have no concerns for our city with how flock cameras are being used.

It's not taking a picture of every license plate. Correct. It's only taking pictures.

Of the ones that are inputted and that have to have a case number in criminal investigation. It takes a picture of every license plate. It just doesn't store? It's not. Correct.

Okay. It stores it for seven days and then it's gone. But the only way we know if you drive past that camera is if we search for your license plate. Okay. Or because the reason why we would search for it is for like a welfare group, some sort of welfare or some sort of criminal investigation. So obviously, you know, you did some sort of crime or we're looking at you for a crime.

We can't just put people's plates in just because we want to put people's plates in.

But I mean, it is capturing everybody. It is capturing everybody.

It's no different than a trail camera deer hunters put out. It takes a picture of every vehicle. It's just vehicles. It's not people walking down the road. It's not bicycles. Every vehicle or motorcycle that drives down the road takes a picture of them. Now, we don't know it unless we actually search for it or search for your vehicle.

Both directions? No, just one. Just one direction.

So Ohio is a one-license plate state, and it's on the rear. It can capture the rear license plate.

No, I mean, which direction? Either way, the car's traveling? No, it would just, so. You're coming in town or out?

Yeah, this one, just if you're coming in town.

Okay, okay. And so how does it get, like, make model body type?

The program, it's basically AI that scans it and is able to tell you make model body type. So it stands the whole car? Yes. Okay, so it's not just the license plate.

It's the whole car.

But that's the photo that we get. It's just the picture that we get. It's just the license plate. It's just the plate, yes.

Okay. All right. So there is AI in this built into their system.

That's how they are able to scan the picture and see what vehicle it is and see that there's a license plate in it.

All right. Do they have, does the flock system itself, do they put parameters around their AI? like do we know is it a learning model or is it and when i say a learning model could it tell you if a i put plates that are purchased for my truck in the bmv and i put them on my car and drove by would that it would not it would not be an alert of something like that can it map out or somebody's driven

to an extent but like there's a like there's a latency period of when we get notification and i mean by the time you hit some of our cameras you could be clear across our city sure we had no idea it gives us a good idea that you came in say on the west end of town we can start looking there if you're you are doing something how many how many seconds did you say it's anywhere from 30 seconds to upwards of 10 plus for that alert to go through. Now, if an officer has logged out the computer in the car or just doing something else,

the safeguards have been improved so if people are reading online about some stories about flock cameras chances are it's been improved since yeah I think they're trying and they're trying to also put out there you know what their safeguards are as well so there are there are other brands are they all connected though together

Or is one brand only their cameras?

The county has a different brand, and the camp has a different brand. It's no different than different TV brands. so the sheriff's department is just solely in-house and that's it through their whatever system they use can't have some lprs that i believe were gentech gentech was partnered with flock and then they shared information on the lpr system are you glad we have them rachel i mean it helps us yeah okay

I think if you're a victim of a crime and we tell you we have these and we're able to help you and it helps us keep people safe, then definitely.

I think it's also important to point out that we're having a discussion here and it's a pretty hot topic. And the way to solve problems and to understand what's going on with a system like this, especially with the young people in the room, is to have these discussions. So we have a discussion, talk about it, learn about it, learn from people like this presentation, like people like Zach that put on this presentation. And the way to solve problems isn't to be a criminal by cutting them down. It's to learn about them and understand what it's all about. So I just want to make sure that that point was made, especially with our young people in the room.

Just to reiterate a related topic, we have no traffic cameras in Louisville, and we don't plan on getting any, correct?

I don't want us to have any, but, yeah, people have come in and asked that, and I said I would never advocate for us to have traffic cameras. It isn't something that I'm interested in. We have Officer Rakin, so he is our personal traffic camera, so it isn't something that I would ever ask for, no.

and these are these are different than like the cameras that take pictures at red lights right correct no no whatsoever with flock all it is is investigatory cameras okay that's all it is cool so I I would just ask that maybe similar to what we did with the

wildlife ordinance maybe look see what other cities have done and then you could bring it back and we could talk about it talk about it more and it sounds like some of it might just be putting some of the safeguards we have in place via ordinance just to make sure that you know that's what city policy is so I I wouldn't be opposed to talking about it further when you've had a chance to research

And what I was saying is it's been evolving since it's become a public topic. So there have been a lot of cities who have put different legislation in that have been kind of following. So I can dig into that more. And a lot of it also, one of the bigger concerns come with records requests. There are concerns that stalkers can just go in and request all these pictures. But again, we don't get the license unless it's part of an investigation. But we could clarify that with the public records policy as well.

Sure. Sure.

OK.

Thank you, Detective Clark. Yeah, thank you. Great job, Zach. Appreciate that.

Thank you.

Okay. That brings us to, and again, I would encourage anybody who has questions on flock, they're welcome to call the police station, set up an appointment, talk to chief, talk to detective. I'm sure we'd be happy to have a more in-depth conversation that way. Sure. Better way to handle it.

Yep.

Yep. Okay. Under new business, I'll entertain a motion to approve the fire department auction items. I'll make that motion, Mayor.

Second.

Okay. Mayor, per the ordinance, the finance director will give you a formal presentation of the items to be auctioned.

That's doing a lot of heavy lifting. The list is in your packet. I did go through where the fire department very helpfully laid them out in the bays down at City Hall, and I looked at everything and tried to make sure it's well represented on here as far as I can tell it is. And if there are any specific questions, I'll be happy to make up an answer or defer to Ron. And I'll make up the answer.

Is there any questions on that? I don't have any, no.

Okay.

Thank you for clearing stuff out. And I saw all the guys when I was out that night. I mean, there was a lot of stuff.

There's quite a bit. Quite a bit.

A lot of treasures to be found.

Yeah. Some of the old stuff we're keeping and actually putting out on display. Yeah. Awesome.

That's awesome.

All right. Let's go ahead and vote.

Johnston. Yes. McAllister-Atkins. Yes. Street.

Yes.

Aljancic. Yes. Gadone.

Yes. Okay. Next up, city manager report.

Mr. Just a couple of things, Mayor. We could have a motion to set trick-or-treating for Saturday, October 31st. Normally it's a Sunday, but since trick-or-treat, or Halloween rather, falls on a Saturday, a lot of communities are doing it that evening, which I think we would be well advised to do it at the same time. So we would recommend Saturday, October 31st from 3 p.m. to 5 p.m. for trick-or-treat.

I'll make that motion. Second?

Any discussion?

We should ask these guys. Trick or treat three to five on a Saturday?

I don't think they trick or treat at any point.

I don't know. They may. They may.

Now, is that different from what the county is going to do?

The county is going to do that as well. Oh, okay. They have a free.

set policy for these but yeah it's like easter they've got it years and years in advance okay that sounds good let's go ahead and vote johnston yes mcallister atkins yes street yes aljancer yes godone yes and can we just can we get that published i actually got two messages today about about trick-or-treat and people wanted to make plans so if we can get laura to publish that that would be great i believe we started doing phone calls in july

to you now okay now one other thing mayor so you should have received the updated site plan for the city hall project the only real difference we return the access road to being level with with the alley the reason being as we looked at that a little closer there wasn't going to be much differentiation between that access road and the road or the parking lot access to unhitch and to what is currently the law office parking lot. So we decided to return it and then what we're going to do is work with AEP to get the telephone call that would be close on that corner and move a little further south. We continue to have meetings with the architects, engineers, the construction manager. Once the flags are removed from the green space, you'll see some, not site work, but some site testing being done. We all know that there was a school in an old Victorian home on that site prior, so they'll do some soil testing, maybe dig some holes just to make sure that they don't need to make any accommodation for the foundation. But we continue to move forward. Councilman Gadon, we have two meetings tomorrow morning, two separate meetings for the same project.

Now that I'm a full-time councilman, I can make both those meetings.

And if anything develops, anything changes, we'll certainly keep you informed as we go. But by all means, at any point, if you have questions or people that you talk to in the community have questions, you're welcome to refer to us.

you getting an office put in guy i am not no no office for the vice mayor but thanks mike okay any questions for andy no no okay uh department reports chief uh thank you mayor uh again i'd like to thank uh legacy touch a truck for the generous donation that they gave us that was unexpected we didn't know that was gonna happen tonight so uh that was very nice of them

The fire department's moving along, status quo, running our EMS calls, running our fire calls and stuff. Doing a lot of mutual aid with both Osnaburg and New Michelin Township and back and forth. And then lastly I put on your desk there was the car show that's coming up on September 19th. We're expecting a lot of cars coming in. We do have actually design restoration was nice enough to donate some money, enable us to get trophies for this year. Nice. We got a first, second, and third place, a best of show, a best Jeep, and a best motorcycle trophy. Thanks to Design Restoration for giving us the money to purchase those. Hopefully it's a nice day, and everybody's welcome, all food trucks and coffee trucks. Normally we have a rain date for that, right? We do not, so it's not going to rain. That's all I got, unless you have some questions for me.

No. All right, Dave? Mayor, council, I have nothing tonight. Chair? Okay.

All right. Darrell? One quick thing. The road paving program starts tomorrow. It will be starting up in the north of the town of California, Pendleton, in that area up there. Barbicus is the company. They put out no parking signs and some notices for residents. If you have any questions, send them my way. Okay. Chief?

Speaking of Halloween I have talked to the library and last year we showed a movie we had tended to have it outside on the green space but it rained so we had it at the middle school and we're going to attempt to do that again after trick-or-treat and it's now on the 31st so at 5 30 and we'll make sure we put out a flyer for that and get it over to the school

What movie is that?

Hocus Pocus.

How are you doing with crossing guards, Chief? We just hired one, so we're better.

I think we need one more in the afternoon. You know, anybody that wants to be a crossing guard. Or if you're over 18 and you would like to be a crossing guard, you can apply. But that's all I have. And we're not going to have speed cameras right now.

Yep, we'll talk about it right now.

After Matt's 30-minute presentation here. Yeah, I'm going to go through the budget detail line by line real quick. No, I don't have anything to add tonight unless anyone has any questions for me.

Yeah, the only other thing I had is, you know, the East Canton article. I think Joni had it cut out. Tony, I was hoping you could give us a little bit of an overview, just kind of what Ohio Revised Code says. Like, I know certain municipalities, if you're over a certain size, there are different regulations. They're under a certain size. The way, and I know everybody can feel differently, but I kind of see a lot of what the flock collects is like public safety. Like you can see the purpose behind it. This seems like revenue generating.

Yes.

As the purpose. And that's just me. That's just me. And I'm just, I would be interested, again, just speaking for myself, And is there anything we can do to make sure that something like this, either with the current council or future council, that it does not come to Louisville?

To prevent future counsel, probably have to be a charter amendment, honestly. We could do an ordinance, but it could be repealed. In terms of, I don't know that the revised code has addressed the cameras yet, but I know the Ohio Supreme Court has, and it has permitted them, much to many people's consternation. However you feel about them, the Ohio Supreme Court has ruled on that they are lawful, and they do generate a lot of revenue. Um, so, but yeah, I think to prevent, to prevent future council, it would likely have to be a charter amendment, but if we wanted it codified just so that we could recognize, or that you could make clear to the residents what you want, we could codify that as well. Yes.

I will say this mayor, if we were to do something like that and just create an ordinance, It would take future councils that much longer to put something into place. It's going to create a discussion to repeal before they could ever put something else new on the books.

It couldn't administratively just be done. You know, it couldn't just something that came and, well, it was in the budget, and now all of a sudden, you know, you're getting, you know, people getting 15 warning letters or whatever in a month. I just... I don't feel that it makes people any safer. You're getting the ticket after the fact. It's already occurred. It didn't slow you down. If a child or a dog ran out in the street, it didn't stop that person from going. And I just don't like it.

Well, I think one of the areas that's pretty popular, that always has been for speeding tickets, was coming right in and out of East Canton on 44 heading on north and south. And it just seems like when they would have a patrol officer sitting there, they could tell when somebody's slowing down when they see the sign out in front of them, whether it be the 55 speeding up or the 35 slowing down. But a camera doesn't know that. Right? And I think that's what a lot of people were complaining about. Not that we're interested in doing that anyway, but just my two cents on it, I guess. But I think if we were to codify something, it would take a little more effort for a future council to repeal what we put in place.

So I like what you were saying, Corey, about safety, right? It's after the fact versus... stopping right it's something so Rachel how would you respond when how do you respond now when people call in and say there is constantly people flying down our road right now do you put an officer there for a few days

So if I get the call, I generally put out an email. Sometimes I get emails, and I forward them out to the department. Hey, if you're not on a call, please focus on sitting here. I can tell you, I went in yesterday, and Lieutenant Miller, someone had flagged him down and said, hey, we have a problem with speeding. And he said, wouldn't you know, I sat there for two seconds, and I pulled two people over. So, you know, when people let us know, we do our best. I mean, it's just my opinion. What I like is basically what you said. If an officer pulls you over, whether you get a ticket or you get a warning, it's something that's telling you, oh, I was going too fast. You might have not noticed. I need to slow down. not everyone that gets pulled over is going to get a speeding ticket um i do know somebody came and asked about the speed cameras and i said they weren't ours and they said they got two tickets in one day so i mean generally i would hope if an officer is pulling you over and you get a ticket an hour later you're not going to get another one so there are some things i think with

you know an actual officer talking to you and then you also being able to explain your your situation or what you might have going on that's important yes and i i feel like a lot of the concerns with the the flock cameras and people still might not like them but you can see like where the data is being erased like it's in a date you have to search over the cake like with those peak cameras and you bringing in a third-party contractor to do a lot of that billing and like to me that opens up a lot more questions about who knows what like what is the purpose of it i again i just i don't like it i mean i i think that we live within our means in in the city and i i don't i if i had a preference i would like to just remove that temptation from future future councils from that from that being and being an option and I think it's super effective when you see when you see the lights on or when you see somebody pulled over like we know the hot spots and I think our officers do a good job of hitting them and if there is a blind spot we we respond when there's a when there's a complaint or suggestion yes are done

Yeah, I can definitely put that together. And I actually did hear a story of people who were against it, of their van was stolen. And they just got all these feeding tickets mailed to their house. And it seemed like it was stolen. But I mean, for a month, they just kept eating it. And they're just like, hold on. all right anything else anybody else good of the order okay I'll entertain a motion to adjourn so moved second let's go ahead and vote

Johnston?

Yes.

McAllister-Atkins? Yes. Street? Yes. Aljancic? Yes. Goodone?

Yes. Okay. Thank you for coming. Meeting's adjourned.