Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

06:35 on 05/05/2026. This is a meeting of the Inglewood Planning and Zoning Commission. Call us to order. Nancy, if you could do a roll call.

Yep. Michelle Austin is absent. Carl Adams is absent absent. Excuse me. Ms.

Hepka? Here.

Oh, Mr. Montiel is up too. Forgot about Steven Ruddell.

Here.

I can barely hear you, Steven. Well, he's there. Noah? Here. Chair Martinez?

Here.

Mr. Rensen is absent, and Ms. Cesario? Here. Forum is present.

All right, thank you. First item on the agenda is approval of minutes from the April 21 meeting. Hopefully everybody got a chance to review the minutes. Any additions, changes, corrections, discussions? If not, can I have a motion to approve?

I'll make a motion to approve the minutes.

Thanks Brenda.

Second. Thank you.

And no discussion, so we have a vote.

Ms. Hupka?

Yes.

Mr. Ruttle?

Yes.

Thank you, I can hear you. Mr. Kaplan? Aye. Ms. Sesario? Yes. Chair Martinez? Aye. Motion passed.

Thank you. Do we have anybody signed up for the public forum online? All right. We will skip agenda item three then and go to agenda item four, twenty twenty seven to twenty thirty one, capital improvement projects.

Good evening, commissioners. Jennifer Nolan, budget manager here. My presentation is going to be very very brief. Just an update from our April 13 meeting. We do have staff members here to answer any questions that you might have of our capital request for the twenty twenty seven, two thousand thirty one timeframe.

You saw the slide April 13. We basically have $8,000,000 of capital requests. However, we only have 4 and a half million of current funding slated for 2027 and we are still seeking funding from EDDA for the Oldhampton Complete Streets and Little Dry Creek. I do not have an update as of yet in terms of whether or not that funding will come forward but as soon as we have that information we'll share that with you. So, with that we have a shortfall of about 600,000.

The capital list that we presented in February as well as April has not changed. Dollar amounts have changed. The latest change that I'm aware of is for the police dashcam system. The police department was able to negotiate about an $8,500 reduction. So when we bring forward this capital request in front of City Council on our May 26 meeting, we'll show that $8,500 reduction.

And the other slides basically just provide the twenty twenty seven capital requests of almost $38,000,000 However, we're bringing forward 5.2 of non discretionary capital items for Planning and Sewing Commission as well as the Budget Advisory Committee recommendations or comments. Well, is it. We have staff, as I said, here to answer any additional questions you might have or any questions that you might have of me.

Alright. Thank you. Commission members, any questions right off the top? I would say that I'd like to go through sort of department by department so we can let people go as we finish questions there. So, let's see. Let's I'm looking for a document that has them grouped. Maybe that does for the projects. Give me a second here, I'll get caught up. I just got my computer connected now. I'm looking through the file.

It's not the screen.

Alright. Then let's let's start at the top, and well you guys can all see this for this first page. Any questions for staff? Maybe let's start with police. I'm seeing police has two items on this page. Any questions from the commission?

Chief, when we talked about this with, counsel and budget advisory committee in the other meeting, I raised a question about whether any of these costs could potentially be covered by the remaining bond funding. So I just want to raise that and I think broader question not just for you but for everybody is I'd just like to know you know what else we have considered as far as funding things from different sources because we do have that list of the, you know, different types of funds that are available. And I think in the past we haven't been in this situation of having the shortfall. So we've, you know, we've really only talked about the capital fund and the PIF, you know, but looking at that list, some of those funds are really large and I'm not I'm just not sure what kind of the restrictions are and what flexibility we might have to get some of these things done with other funding, starting with the police, bond fund is one question I had.

Sure. I think, that there's a little over $1,000,000 in the bond fund. Maybe it's 1,500,000. It's under 2,000,000. About 1,000,000 of that or 800,000 of that is encumbered to redo the Box Building, which is currently under renovation.

The roof has already been replaced and I've met with architects to kind of go over plans of redoing the building. We have cut significantly back on what we want to do to renovate that building. However, it is gonna it's been unoccupied for quite some time, so it is gonna require quite a bit. The rest that is unencumbered with that is about $650,000 So, as we look at the TASER and police dash camera, there's just not enough money to cover that, over 5 years, and when I was first hired at the 2024, that was a point of emphasis, to use some of this bond premium to offset other costs, which is what we've done. So, a lot of our technology and software platforms are currently being paid out of bond premium.

So could we pay part of this if we can't cover all of it out of bond premium if you so I mean just doing the math you said 650,000 and this is you know between the dashcams and the tasers 775,000. So I mean they're not that far apart. So that's I

would I would make the case that we have encumbered that money in order to pay for some other things that are subscription based release that that it is scheduled to be paid over the next several years. So, encumbering more in addition to it's kind of paying for things twice, think, or using that money twice.

Okay. I have a question about the TASER equipment. I was on the Zoom last time I was able to make it in person, but I was trying to piece some things together. This is because the current equipment is no longer manufactured by the That's correct. Are they obsolete? I mean, they, or they're just not supported?

They're not supported in the sense that they are not, covered should we use them and something happened. The manufacturer will, I'll say warranty for lack of a better word, they will not back the product after next year.

Is there increased functionality in going to the new product?

Yeah, the best way that I could describe it is like, an iPhone. It's, it, they stop making the old ones and you have to buy

the new ones and

change the connector.

I will say that, it's like, it gets frustrating for us as well because it does, it is one of those things where there's one company that makes them and Yeah.

It's very frustrating for us to see these big numbers on things that, you know, are recurring costs. What is the life cycle of these devices typically?

I think we've been using the other ones for about five years, five to ten years, but they do kind of changing the profile. New, I mean, the new technology is great. It's fantastic, but you pay for it and the other ones are obsolete, will say. I'll just make the talking to you guys know this already, but they're for profit companies and they know how to maximize that.

Yeah, and of course we want non lethal

Well, was just getting ready to say I think that the amount of investment that we make in less lethal munitions, bulletproof vests, things like that are, I think that they've been proven over and over to be lifesaving technologies.

And this is the purchase, they don't do like a lease program or anything like that for these systems that are getting renewed every three, four years.

I know that we are buying these over the next few years. I don't think that we do lease them. Some equipment you do and no. I I don't think that these are leased. I think we do buy these and

yeah. Okay. Other questions? Steve, anything online? No. I'm good. Alright, chief. I think we're okay for now. Is so I do wanna ask one, like, we're gonna let him go. So no other questions? Final call? Alright. Thank you very much. Thank you so much.

And just in response to other additional funding, we do have one time money that we received from Crick Hospital for the impact fees. So, we have approximately $200,000 that could offset the $600,000 So, just wanted you to be aware of that funding. But I can't think of any other additional funding from other funds. We already rated the donors fund for their impact fees.

Sorry Jane, could you say that one more time? 200 to offset 600.

The 600,000, we're about 600,000 short for the 2027 funding.

What's the scope of what's covered by the capital equipment replacement fund?

That would be vehicles and large equipment, operating equipment. Okay. The surf. So, that's our fleet, our fleet inventory.

And that covers multiple departments. Yes.

I do have a question. I'm sorry. The actual gap, if I look at the memo, is $681,000 Does that sound?

$621,000

$21,000 I think so. Thought $681,000 But we need to cut that from

Yes, $621,235

Oh, so you've got $621,000 alright. I didn't do my math right. Thank you. I'm sorry I made you get back up. But that's what we need to cut from this list.

You don't need to cut anything. What we're really looking for because staff is working on that right now. We're looking to see can we narrow that gap so that that's not a request that we're asking of you. What we're needing from your memo is whether or not you're in agreement with this list. Do is there anything else from the capitalist that you would that we deem discretionary that you think is non discretionary and needs to be added to this list? It's basically providing, City Council with any additional capital items that you're aware of that we may not be considering on this list or in our CIP plan.

Thank you for clarifying Okay. Welcome.

Okay. Well, let's take that last question there. Is there anything that is discretionary that should be on the nondiscretionary capital budget? Let's make this budget even worse.

I

mean to be honest, knowing that we were dealing with a shortfall, I didn't spend a lot of time looking at that list. To me the problem is more the reverse, so like it's really hard for me to look at this list of non discretionary requests and you know, sort of understand why all of these things are non discretionary. I think this goes to some of what we've talked about in the past with the idea of, you know, things that are a priority and having, you know, a more urgent priorities than we have, you know, money to fund. I think this is kind of the same thing again. We're using the term non discretionary to mean these are the things that are most important, but I think there are probably things on this list that you know are not in fact non discretionary.

So you know to me that is where I would start. I think we've asked in the past for things like you know the concrete utility city share if there really is nothing that we can do and that is the number, then it like it doesn't need to be presented to us because it is what it is and it's not, you know, part of this. But I think, you know, like the like I don't know what infrastructure development means, you know, what does that, is it non discretionary because we've already actually committed this funding? If it's just IT lifecycle replacement, You know, again, there's a question of is it something that is actually end of life and therefore needs to be replaced for security reasons versus we have a four year replacement cycle and we've hit that four year replacement cycle and that's necessarily non discretionary. So I just it's really hard based on the level of information that we have to understand kind of why these things are non discretionary.

To me, you know, obviously the biggest thing is Civic Center parking garage. That's, you know, as large as everything else on the list combined. And, you know, we know that this building has an uncertain future. And so, you know, that's another one where it's like, what is it we have to do? And is this the absolute minimum of what we have to do? You know, are we already under contracts and that's why these are non discretionary? That again, it's just to me, that terminology is making it hard to kind of understand what non discretionary means as applied to all these things.

Can you help us with that definition of discretionary versus non discretionary in this context?

I'll do my best. So, discretionary is just that we can or we may replace this item or we may not. Nondiscretionary is we need to replace the item. So, that's kind of how we're keeping it at a very basic level. So, if it's non discretionary, we've deemed it that it needs to be addressed, the item needs to be replaced. Non discretionary means it doesn't necessarily need to be replaced right now. It can be deferred, but eventually, yes, it will rise to the top where it needs to be replaced.

Is there the same or similar criteria applied across all departments for that sort of level of discretionary versus non discretionary?

I believe so. I mean, the directors can speak to that.

I we have somebody here who can speak to IT.

Yes. This is Joe Eisenbart. I'm online. I'm the director of IT.

Hi, Joe. Yeah. So Go ahead.

The reason that we classify these as nondiscretionary is is this is replacement of equipment at Broken Tea, Pirates Cove, and then a little bit at Pacific Center. This is equipment that is end of life, end of support, or end of sale. With the current climate as far as AI and different things of that nature, the computer equipment's getting more and more difficult to purchase. AI facilities are buying up all of all of this stuff, and so it takes us longer to get these things. The price is going up and up and up.

And with these things, end of end of life or end of support, an outage means extended outages because it will take us time to replace these these devices and could be much more costly because the the existing equipment isn't available anymore, that sort of thing. So for for us, nondiscretionary is how we weigh the risk of, you know, a possible outage against what what the cost is to to replace this stuff now.

Thanks. I'm I'm curious about the infrastructure development. It doesn't say infrastructure replacement like it does PC replacement. I understand. Equipment you replace on a rotating schedule, like Noah was mentioning earlier. It's a large chunk, $420,000 for infrastructure development. Is this expansion? Is this an are are these

It's it does a refresh of existing equipment.

So it is replacement? Yes. And that is what is inclusive of what you had mentioned of Pirates Cove, Broken Peak, Civic Center? That's correct. And that's is that switches, switchgears, servers? Yeah.

It's gonna be switch gears. There there are I think there's a firewall in there and a server. Most of it is gonna be network. There is some cabling in there as well. The cabling that we have is twenty plus years old, and the newer equipment is gonna perform much better with new cabling, but the cabling is is a smaller portion of that. And again, those are the cabling would be at Pirates Cove Broken T.

And four twenty is four twenty ks is just you that's what you got to have to to We

believe so. Yeah. We actually trimmed that number down quite a

bit. For the PC replacement, about how many PCs are we replacing every year?

Last year, we did approximately a 125, I think, ballpark.

And that's what we expect what you're asking here for a 150?

In order to keep pace, we would need to replace around that 125. One fifty will probably not get us to that 125 mark. Also, we have looming in our future MDT replacement which for the patrol cars, that's the PCs and the patrol car. Those were just replaced last year. Those those are on a four year life cycle, so we run out of warranty at that point.

Bouncing around in the cars that they start to degrade rapidly, the the hot and cold is hard on them, and so you want to stick to that four year cycle. So that 150 doesn't really take into account the replacement of those MDTs. We had originally asked for additional money to try to year over year, know, gather some of that as we go, so it's not such a big hit when we do need to replace them.

Yeah. I remember last year, MDTs being under a separate line item. Are they in the same budget categories as all the other PC replacements for the city?

Normally, they would be. Last year, they were purchased out of, bond money, police bond money.

We're spending over $1,000 each per laptop or machine that

The average, if you're if we talk about in the office is around $18.50 or so. The MDTs are gonna be roughly 4,600. Right. And that was what they cost when we replaced them last year. Obviously, there'll be a little bit of inflation there, but but that's about what they cost.

Okay. Thank you. While we're on IT, any other questions for those two items? No? All right, thank you.

So, Chair, if I can confirm, Joe's good to go?

Joe's good to go.

Okay. Thank you.

Chief is good to go.

Thanks, Joe.

Appreciate the questions. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Let's talk civic center parking garage stuff. Do we have somebody online to speak to that?

My name is Young. I can speak to that.

Questions?

I just wanted to know, yeah, sort of what is the scope of what this 1,700,000 will cover? Kind of how certain are we that that is the amount we need and what other options have we looked at besides investing this amount in a garage that we might not need in a few years?

So the 1.7 is in tandem with the already approved budget for 2026. So we currently have 1,000,000 approved for 2026 and we need an additional $1.07 to complete the high priority repairs identified for the garage. A majority of the actually all of the high priority repairs are related to structural items in the garage. So there's really not room for wiggle when you're talking with structure and since those were recommended as high priority by the garage engineers, that's the number that we're shooting for in terms of the construction cost. To answer the second half of your question in regards to what other alternatives we're looking at.

I know that city council has requested that we evaluate our contract with RTD to understand how many parking spaces is part of our contract with them and what our obligations are in terms of fulfilling those spaces and how the garage could be possibly negotiated to be excluded from that contract if there's any wiggle room in that aspect and kind of go from there like if I'm assuming that council's line of logic is that if there is wiggle room, then we would consider shutting down the garage until the decision about civic center has been decided whether it's staying or going.

Has there been a conversation with RTD? I mean, I know every parking garage at every transit station around the city is under massively underutilized, usually overbuilt, especially with the ridership that they're experiencing now. They're turning a lot of it into housing in places. Has that conversation been started with RTD?

I don't believe it has. I have not been informed of any additional discussion points with RTD.

But you they were asked two years ago, isn't that right, if we could lessen this parking spaces and we were turned down then? I think that's what I heard during the study session. Does that sound right?

I can I can speak to that, Young? So counsel asked this question at the study session. We've had multiple conversations too with RTD in the past and are looking to come again, and again propose that we decrease our requirement soon. Alright.

What's that?

Why don't we talk to Christina so she can go home too? Then there's We're done We didn't.

Any other questions? Mean? Steven? Alright. No. I'm good. Okay. Can I I just do have one last question for the garage, and I'm just not informed of the situation here at all? I understand there needs to be structural repairs. It's still open now. It's still being used now. Are we just talking about what the interim use is? Like, what the prognosis is for the garage?

Sorry, I guess I don't understand the word prognosis in this

What is the prescript, like what needs to happen? Why can it still be used now prior to repairs? How long is it expected to be able to be used before it needs to just be shut down?

So the total list of high priority repair items is 2,400,000. So we only have 1,000,000 approved. So we're identifying the top priorities within that high priorities to be addressed immediately I'm not sure if you all have been inside the garage but there are shoring put in place right now to provide additional supports in area that is of concern. And that shoring has given us a little bit more time but if you don't do any repairs that structure will continue to deteriorate and you risk actual failure There's a lot of factors in actual failures as in like how strong the winds are, how many cars are parked that day, or how many cars are being used in the parking garage continuously, how much snow you're getting annually, like all of those factors contribute to the overall lifespan or remaining longevity of the structure before structural deterioration kind of starts to starts to peak like at some point your structure starts to start wearing at a faster rate because it's starting to fail more and more. So the question of the remaining longevity is a tough one to really give a time frame to unless you have a crystal

From ball that you tell the

a layman's perspective I'm like well why with all those unknown factors, why is the garage even being used today?

Oh, you're starting to get concrete, like, deterioration, which means the reinforcing of the concrete is starting to get exposure to weatherization. And the longer the structure gets exposed to weatherization, it will start to fail. And based on the expertise and engineers' knowledge, they've given us a timeframe in their report. We're pushing that timeframe a little bit, but we haven't we have engineers on-site that looked at the structure about a week ago, and there weren't any red flags or alarms from them for shutting it down. So they believe it's still operational.

It's just in the timeline that it takes to do repair drawings and the timeline it takes to go to bid and get construction mobilized, these are the timeframe that you have to account for and start considering for when that structure might be at risk. I mean, now we're doing the top, we're focusing on the most critical vital repairs that we really don't want to risk failing. But if we were to just let it sit there and not pursue any repairs, then I I personally, from my average knowledge of structure and garages, would not recommend that we continue opening the garage past this fall.

Okay. Thank you. That's exactly what I was looking for. And then one other clarification, you had just mentioned a couple of minutes ago, total I didn't say emergency, but total high urgency repairs totaled 2.4. And you have a million, you're asking for 1.7. That's 2.7. Is there a discrepancy there between two point four and two point four?

Yeah, the cost estimate of 2.4 is just the construction costs. There's engineering drawings that needs to be included in the overall budget and the field observation of the engineers during construction. That's what that ballpark 300,000 is Okay. Difference is for.

Okay. Alright. Thank you. Any other questions on garage? Civic Center garage? Thank you very much. I appreciate you.

Yep. Thank you.

Alright. Let's go to park.

Hello.

Questions, though. One item on here is little tri. Hi.

Thanks for coming. That's, a slight possibility that we could get the DDA to fund that.

The request is in. Again, I'm Christine Underhill. I'm the director of Parks, Rec, Library and Golf. Sorry.

Introducing So

right now with Little Dry Creek Plaza, we are in construction drawings. We plan to go under construction later this year. Initially, it was a match EDDA city. We have 600 this year we're putting into the project and it's ultimately coming from our park in Luthi. And so we're utilizing that fund for $600,000 worth of the funds.

And I'm also using open space funding from Arapahoe County to pay for the design part of that half. We're splitting it with EDDA. And so moving into 2027, the conversation with EDDA was they were planning to potentially put in 1,200,000 in addition to our 560,000. Ultimately, is possible to maybe do this whole construction project, including design all the way through construction for the dollar amount we have minus the $5.60. So if EDDA is willing to put the 1.2 in and potentially additional $5.60, we would have more than enough to complete the project in full by probably 2027.

So we're hoping EDDA will, have their discussions and determine, both with Old Hampton Complete Streets as well as Little Dry Creek Plaza to put additional funding into these projects.

Thanks. That's all I had.

Anybody else? Alright. I think that you got off easy tonight.

Very. Thank you.

Alright. Victor, you got the rest of these.

And good afternoon, everyone. Victor Richel, director of public works. Happy to go through them, answer questions however you would like to proceed.

Alright. Does anybody have any specific questions for the projects?

So Victor, we just got out of an informational meeting about the project for East Dartmouth Traffic Calming.

Yes.

Where does something like that fit with this? So if I understood correctly from the meeting earlier tonight, that would be something that would be potentially going out to construction bidding this year. Is that already included in this year's budget or where like where does that get paid from when it happens?

Great question. Thank you. So it is included when we initially funded the project. So those dollars exist in the public improvement fund or the PIF category. We have used some of those dollars. We had to engage a consultant for the design. We've also paid for some public notification materials, mailings, things of that nature. So that money is already set aside and not included in this because it's already been allocated to that project.

Okay, great. So that helps. So then given this budget situation, any future traffic calming project or other kind of you know infrastructure change you know would be unlikely to be funded in the near future because everything you have on here is pretty much just the kind of buckets of typical maintenance type stuff. So we're not looking at anything as far as newly funded projects that are coming up in the next year.

Yes, thank you. That comment is accurate. There are no projects outside of what myself and our department has deemed non discretionary. An example would be the traffic calming budget. So that was funded this year and last year.

You notice it is not on the list for 2027 because it is considered a discretionary program. It's a very popular program. Maybe to Jenny's comment earlier, if there's anything you'd like to consider adding, I understand. And thank you for all the comments that were already kind of in the hole and if we add stuff that's not helping our conversation. But it is certainly from a prioritization standpoint from my department, we see the traffic calming as a high priority. However, because it is discretionary, it is not on the list, to your point.

I think along with that, I mean, just from my perspective, there's a lot of things that we talk about in the city that are initiatives and things that we value, walkability, pedestrian safety. And a lot of those programs, know, the walking with, you know, all of that stuff, it just doesn't seem to me there's an opportunity to get those things into a non discretionary. You know, if we say they're important, but we're not really willing to put them at the top of the list here, it's I I kinda share Noah's frustration. I'm like, well, you know, are these the things that we just have to do or that we're already signed up to do, and there's not a lot on in here that's really connecting with what we've been talking about values of the city, especially when we're talking about I mean, as this commission has done, it's like pushing for more density. There's also a lot of infrastructure that that goes along with that.

Yeah. Just some musings there.

If I could, I would agree with that. From a departmental perspective, you know, we run the Inglewood Transportation Advisory Committee. So, that committee is looking at the budget and the conversation has been very similar. You know, there's there are those priorities. There's the traffic calming, there's the walking wheel, and these tight budget years are frustrating, I think, across the board within our department as well because we want to be out in the community. We want to be doing these improvements bringing these enhancements forward, and it's tough and we feel similarly our hands are a little tied and if we could plant a money tree, would absolutely do it.

Can you remind me, is is the South Broadway projects, it's going to need additional funds in 2027 or is that in a lives somewhere else?

South Broadway is actually under construction.

Yeah.

I Similar to, these Dartmouth Roundabout traffic calming, that was funded earlier and is within budget.

Fully funded.

Fully funded under construction. No additional funds needed.

Steven, I'll check-in with you. No, I'm okay. Thank you. Okay. Alright. Nothing else from public works? Alright. Thank you, Victor. Appreciate it. Okay. Thank you very much. Alright. Well, that's what we had to discuss on capital improvement. Can I

ask another question of Jenny?

Yeah.

I would love at some point to get a look into the revenue side of all of this. We every year look at the spending side. And I think we, you know, I know city council, you know, regularly gets, you know, kind of updates on the revenue side. But I think I'm curious, you know, specifically from the planning and zoning, you know, sort of scope thinking about kind of what land uses in our city are generating tax funding and which ones are maybe drawing on more spending than we're getting from the tax revenue that's generated from them. And I think, know, looking at this, you know, the shortfall that we're facing, I'm just wondering for the longer term kind of where we might have additional revenue generating opportunities.

I recall when I first started on this commission, there was a conversation about some particular fee that we were charging and I can't remember what it was, but we compared it to other jurisdictions and we found that we were like at 20 like 5% of the, you know, median for that type of fee of other jurisdictions in the Denver Metro. And so, you know, there was an opportunity there to say, okay, we can, you know, we could stay under the average and still raise that particular fee. Again I don't remember the details but that kind of thing. I'm curious just how much we're doing to look at the revenue side of this equation in addition to the spending.

In terms of the operating side, departments are looking at their fees and comparing with the surrounding jurisdictions on an annual basis if not biannually. When it comes to the capital side for the general government departments, the only funding source that we have dedicated is from vehicle use tax, Arapahoe County open space tax and then the construction or building materials use tax. So, you're limited or we're limited in that regard for and then any additional funding that we might receive is from the unassigned fund balance of the general fund if there is any. Again, we look to fund one time capital expenditures out of that one time money because we know that's not ongoing. So, guess I'm not sure what your question is because we have operational fees of the general fund, but on the capital side it's pretty limited in terms of you know the vehicle use tax, the building use tax, and the Arapahoe County road and bridge tax.

Yeah, guess I mean I

guess I just don't know what things generate those particular taxes and I don't know what control Englewood has over them versus how much of it is just a share of something else. That's the question is just, is there anything in consideration to raise more revenue or are we only looking at we're projected to bring in this much so we have to spend less? That's the question.

The

other fee that was implemented relatively recently is the impact fees. We did have the Park Fee in lieu that's in our donors fund, which is an impact fee but we've now added impact fees for public works police and additional parks programs that are beyond the park fee in lieu definition. So, that would be the other fee that again that's one time money you know based on development fees that is another revenue source for these types of capital projects.

Those are pretty limited though, right? The impact fees have to be used Yes. In connection with the specific project. Yeah.

Any other questions for Jenny? I mean, I do I do agree. I think that the revenue side is important, at least for us to get the full picture. Also, you know, in years like this when we're squeezed, I'd like to have some reference for are we proportionally squeezing budgets or being restrictive in alignment with our values and our initiatives, you know, like Those are the times when we're really seeing what our priorities truly are. No matter what we say or what we put on paper, what we put in a strategic plan, what's in the budget is what our values are. And so, knowing, you know, in lean years, you know, how these are all kind of balancing out, would be helpful to kind of give us the full picture.

Are you looking for like the last ten years? I mean I can provide you data in terms of, you know, the various funding sources that we have used to fund our, you know, capital projects funds that are in the public improvement fund and the capital projects fund. I mean, that's through transfers from the general fund or and or other funds that are directly related to those capital projects.

I think city history could be helpful.

Okay.

Yeah. It's a very dry conversation whenever they give the budget talks for city council. It's really dry. But there's important information. For instance, we're getting we used to get about six to 7% from Arapahoe County in property tax. This year it's 4%. So when those talks come up with City Council, know, set aside time to listen to it and download the report. Don't we have an employee tax though too? Or does that go to the General Fund?

There is not an employee tax. I mean, you have a payroll tax.

Payroll tax, yeah.

Everybody has for Social Does

it go to the city?

No, no, no. That goes to No. Social the occupational tax like Denver has or city of Sheridan, we do not have that occupational tax. And that would go to the vote of the people.

This is just generally a very low tax city and it has politically been so as such. And we get a lot of our money from grants and funding, isn't that right? In prior years?

Yes, we have been successful with grants but the majority of our revenue really comes from sales tax dollars. That's our main source of revenue for the general fund speaking.

Thanks.

Alright. Any other questions? I think we're good. You very much.

Thank you.

Alright. Alright. Let's just put this on then. Or we don't need to make a recommendation, do we?

Sorry. Yes. It's due to the city manager the June 1. You could certainly delay your discussion or recommendation until the next meeting, but you have a large PUD amendment coming for a public hearing that may generate a lot of public comments.

I'm sorry. Say that last part again.

The PUD that you'll be hearing at the next meeting is for the Oh, that's former

Walgreens a full meeting next

So I mean, it's totally up to the commission what you want to do.

Yeah, I mean, honestly, Commissioner, I look, our hands are kind of tied here. I don't there's no project here that I'm like, nope, that's the one that needs to be cut or any that need to add. It feels a bit performative. I just anything else to do there?

Yeah, I agree. I don't think that there's anything we can do except for tell counsel to counsel will be cutting something, I'm sure. We don't really have a decision tonight other than advancing this. Right? Yeah.

I mean, it's a if we had any recommendations on specific projects that we don't think they should be or additional projects to go even more into the deficit. And I just don't think we have that unless anybody feels differently. Steven, anything on your side? I agree with you. I think we I don't know, I'm just trying to process everything.

Okay. And, Nancy, do you hear me, like we just make a very tepid recommendation of we're fine? Like, what does that look like in the past?

I just need a motion.

Just a motion to

Motion and a second to recommend the projects as presented this evening, and I'll attach that

to you. Who wants to make the motion?

Do we, I mean, do we have to use the word recommend or can we basically say like we don't recommend adding any additional projects to what is already considered non discretionary. I mean like we didn't really have a say in this list. So I'm just wondering if there's, if we can fulfill our obligation by basically saying, like, we don't object to having no choice.

You're required to submit to the city manager, a list of recommended capital improvements. So you can say, I move to submit this list of recommended projects for capital improvements. If that's more recommended because they've been recommended by staff. But you're But you're moving to submit this list of

record I'm fine with that. We're moving to submit this list to

city council.

Is that your motion then?

I'm not gonna make a motion when you guys alright. I'll do it. Don't know. Yes. I I move that we submit this list of recommended projects to City Council.

I second. Okay.

Any other discussion?

Upkeye? Yes.

Mr. Ruddell?

Aye. Yes.

Thank you. Mr. Kaplan? Aye. Ms. Isario?

Yes.

And Chair Martinez?

Aye.

Thank you very much. Oh, motion passes.

Thank you, Nancy. And with that, we will move on to staff report. Any planning?

Just as I just mentioned, you will have a public hearing at your next meeting on the former Walgreens. It's an amendment to an existing PUD. So we'll have that the following meeting, which is June 2. You will have another public hearing, I believe, on commercial nonconforming use. I'll put it all in an email. Brian's last day is Friday and we are conducting interviews next Tuesday. More to come on that.

Attorney's choice.

I have nothing for you all tonight. Drive safe going home.

Thank you. It's probably stacking up. Commissioner's choice. It's just popcorn here. Anybody who wants to. Stephen, check-in with you first. No. I'm good. Thank you.

I'm good. Thank you.

Amy, no. No. No. And I don't have anything either. Be safe. Go avalanche. And with that, we adjourn. Thank you.