Community Redevelopment Agency - Regular Meeting

Good afternoon everyone. We're gonna call the meeting of the community redevelopment agency to order. Would you call the roll please?

Chair Burns. Here. Vice Chair Markert.

Here.

Deputy Vice Chair Casal? Here. Commissioner Carney and Commissioner Long?

Here.

Okay, can I get a motion and second for the am I calling for a motion for the approval of the agenda but we have some changes right?

Yes, hi, Renee Jadison, Executive Director. Yes, two changes. So Mayor Carney would like to call into the meeting at 04:40. He wanted to be present for item 9A. So I just wanted to request that we take items out of order depending on how we're going with the agenda, if we can make that accommodation for him.

So moved. One

more change too. We also received an email from individuals in nine concourse. They would like to amend this request. There was an email that I've shared with you all that we received on Friday. Basically this is the context of it is that the board is their boards are agreeable to prolonging their request to cancel the market by amending their September request to cancel, instead asking the board to vote on September 30 to agree to direct staff to submit a relocation alternative application to CTEC, which is the city's review committee, by October 9 for CTEC's October 16 agenda review.

And then they also like to request that on September 30 the CRA board adopt their proposed rubric to be fair and consistent to all applicants in requesting to cancel the green market for private events. And they've drafted these documents to avoid, I guess they said, further delays in approving their or reviewing their application. So we just wanted to find out how we'd like to handle this item. If we want to amend this, we could leave it on here and still discuss the matter broadly and not specifically what they're requesting, if you would like. But they're requesting to withdraw what they have on the agenda

What do like us to do? What do you think we should

do today?

I think

we should still discuss it in case

I do too because I think there's a lot more involved in just this. This is bleeding over into different departments in the city and all that. I Right. So we can

leave it on because we had on there let me see. Our subject of the agenda was a request from concourse regarding the green market on 04/18/2026. So we could leave that subject on there, but allow the withdrawal of the request.

Sure. How is it commissioner Long?

Works for me.

You okay?

Yes.

Okay. Alright. So the motion?

So moved.

I'll second it.

Vice chair Markert? Yes. Deputy vice chair Giselle? Yes. Commissioner Carney? Commissioner Long?

Yes.

And chair Burns? Yes.

Okay. So we are now at the part of the agenda for public comment. Do we have anyone for public comment? I know that we have some phone calls that have come in, so what we have do we have anybody in the audience? It's now time for public comment. Hi.

Yvonne Odom, 3905 Lawson Boulevard, and I'm president of Delray Beach CDC. So what I'm doing is continuing my comments for the city commission on about our cooperation with the CDC and the CRA. We've been around since 1992, and I say it because a lot of people don't realize we've been quietly doing things since then. But there are some problems that we've gotten ourselves faced because of what has happened years ago with the LDRs. Fortunately, there are some who said that they are working on it because they heard my comments the last time, so I'm saying it again and reiterating some things because what we like to do is see what when we do to expedite things.

For example, our repair and restore, there we have people that's been waiting three to five years to get on that. The LDRs were not favorable to those of us in the sick community because how it was

doctor Deborah j. Wright. I reside at 815.

I think the public hired by accident. That's a mistake. Sorry. I get Please, you get get yeah.

No. I was saying because we are the current LDRs and it has hampered a lot of the things we are trying to do in our community. We have two lots that was sold as two separate lots, but according to somebody records, it's only one lot. So we'd like to see if that can be cleared up because now that's contradictory. You know, you can't tell us one thing and the sale of the lots can't tell us something else.

So what we're asking as a CDC is let's see how we can work together so that we can do what we were granted to do and what we have allowed ourselves to do that won't cost the city any money. Really, we just need policy. We need cooperation with what's already in your budget. We're not asking for more money, but it's very difficult, the process that you all have laid out. And that's all we're asking to see how we can work together to move this process forward.

Because we we're not a fly by night organization. We've been here a long time, and our people who are homeowners, they have been homeowners for a long time, and they are not there to get a home and sell it like what's happening now. So once again, thank you for what you've done already because I've seen some progress already, but I think we can do a whole lot more if you all will let us be a real true partner. Because remember, when we started this shift, we were the only nonprofit around, and the CRA literally gifted us lots, and we were able to be a host. So thank you very much, and hopefully, I just wanted to make it public part of the public record. Thank you very much.

Excuse me. George Law, 46 North Swinton Avenue. I generally don't like to complain, but sometimes you have to bring things up that are bothering you. Now my understanding is that the city commission and CR meetings, you're don't really interact with whoever is making the public comments. They just make it and you don't ask questions and stuff like that. So I'd like to know how you could make a knock knock joke progress under those circumstances. I go knock knock and you just stand there and stare at me. What the hell? If you'd like to make an exception

there?

You better be ready.

Polly. Polly

who? Polly the grumpy parrot who doesn't want a stupid cracker. That's her fault for making me come up here.

I told told him I was looking forward to his jokes because he's always got jokes. Marjorie Waldo with Arts Garage. I wanted to share some good news first. Arts Garage is the recipient of the 2025 Boca Raton Reader's Choice Award winner for our art gallery. Thank you. Thank you. We are also the guide to Florida's best of Florida winner for theater venues. So I wanted to share. Those are both for 2025. Congratulations.

I am proud to announce that our returning family series will be called, quote, the Kimmel family series at Arts Garage and is funded for 2526 in its entirety by the Virginia and Harvey Kimmel family fund. I invite you to come see the shows with the kids that come from the local public schools. Everything's for free to the local public school students. I also want to thank executive director Renee Jadison, commissioner Julie Cassell, and tomorrow, commissioner Tom Markert for participating in our annual campaign videos. We appreciate the support. There's still time. Miss Burns? Missed There's

still time.

Video? Yeah.

No pressure. We'll take it under consideration.

I'm just saying.

You weren't doing.

Your support means the world, and I'm really grateful. As today is the last day of our final a guide grant with the CRA, today is September 30, end of fiscal year. I've got one more submission, but I felt compelled to speak directly to Renee, Gina, Laurie Hayward, make sure she knows, who taught me the logic model in 2016, much to her frustration. It took hours. She should have been paid extra.

Many of the past and current staff at the CRA, and perhaps most importantly, all of the past and present CRA board members. Arts Garage would not have accomplished all that we have without your support, which began in 2011 when the CRA visioned the Creative City Collaborative of Delray Beach, aka Arts Garage. Since fiscal year thirteen fourteen, as a direct result of the a guide grants through the CRA, Arts Garage has produced more than 3,000 events. Your board has supported the photography, videography, hotel fees, technical fees, and performance fees that have allowed us to grow into a world class venue serving all of Del Ray Beach, South Florida, and, frankly, at this point, a lot of the East Coast. We have worked diligently and passionately to provide a return on your investment that we hope will continue as the city budget for 2526 adopts us.

Our board of directors, our staff, and hundreds of volunteers are incredibly grateful, and I love every one of you for all that you've done to support us. Look forward to continued collaborations and support.

Max? I think time perfectly well.

Hello. Max Zengage. Seventeen o five Northwest fourth Ave representing Delray Conquer Foundation. I just wanna make sure that because I I've been the applicant and some words got changed around, and I've lost several months in some processes, due to that happening. So I just wanna make sure that our item is still on. It's just the a changed of item, not that a discussion can actually do something, meaningful and that we still get our seven minutes of presentation.

I think the seven minutes is fine. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. We're just gonna discuss it in total at that time.

Yeah. And and that we did request a different vote but still a a a vote regardless. Yeah.

That's all.

It's at the end of public comment. So were you gonna go to the

The video. Phone calls?

The Oh, it's video. Okay.

Greetings. My name is doctor Deborah J. Wright. I reside at 815 Northwest 2nd Street, Delray Beach, Florida. I have been participating in meetings for years with the CRA as well as SET and I don't see anything moving forward on the CRA vacant land that is basically commercial land or property.

And I ask the CRA to wait until the set transformation plan is updated before any decisions are made to do anything on that land. As I am very, sure that the Fed transformation plan will incorporate diversity for this entire community as well as the city of Delray Beach. Thank you very much and I hope to hear an answer or reply to my concern. Have a good day. Yes, this is a continuation.

This is for doctor Deborah J Wright at 815 Northwest 2nd Street, Delray Beach, Florida. I forgot to include in my comment which was less than three minutes that I'm also concerned about my understanding about you wanting to put containers on shipping containers on West Atlantic. And I am adamantly opposed to that as I think that it would be aesthetically unpleasing to see such a thing. Thank you. Have a good day.

Monterey Bennett, 323 Northwest 2nd Avenue. I have been participating in all these men for a long time and I don't want anything moving forward on CRV vacant on commercial property until the state of transmission plan update is being completed.

Thank you for your time.

Reginald Cox. Seven one five Martin Luther King Drive, Delray Beach, Florida three three four four four. We're asking the CRA board, and I and I do want to thank you for the opportunity for leaving a message online. It's my birthday. I wanted to come stop by and see y'all, but it's my birthday, so leave the message.

But we're asking the board to take the time and we want to remind you to wait until the set transformation plan update process is complete before soliciting further development activities in the set. The update is moving in a highly engaged collaborative manner consistent with the principles and the vision of the plan. There have been several ideas for potential partnerships and funding and leveraging opportunities, creative leveraging opportunities that should be analyzed and considered for recommendation and implementation as the process plays out. That stuff needs to be vetted out. You know, in 2019, the community pleaded to the CIA board to follow the community planning process and unfortunate unfortunately, that didn't happen and resulted in four year lawsuit on the commercial land.

Also, we must remember that important connections that need to be made to the CRA plan, the Berry Beach comprehensive plan. As matter of fact, the strategic element in the comprehensive plan came out of the initial set transformation plan planning process to connect with that plan. And we don't we do not want to to miss opportunities in light of the dynamics, the meaning of the dynamics have changed since then, and we don't we don't wanna miss those opportunities to connect the dots. So we asked the board respectfully to wait for the process. It's always moving rapidly because we wanna be able to get right.

What's gonna go there will be there for the next fifty, seventy five years and land is limited. We want to be able to really, really achieve the vision of set transformation plan for

all of your name. Thank you.

Is that it?

Hello. My name is Margaret Harvey. I'm a long time resident of Derry Beach at 610 Southwest 7th Street in Derry Beach, Florida. I'm calling in with my concerns about the moving forward with CRA vacant owned commercial property. Please, I don't want anything to be done until the debt transformation has update is completed. I greatly appreciate your time. Thank you and have a good day. Bye.

That's it? That's it.

Okay. If there are no other public comment, public comment is closed. Okay, next item on the agenda is the regular board meeting minutes. Can we have a motion and a second to approve these minutes? It should

be the consent agenda. It's part of the consent agenda. It's all consent,

yes. So moved.

Motion to approve consent agenda.

Second.

Deputy Vice Chair Kasao? Yes. Commissioner Carney? Commissioner Long?

Yes.

Chair Burns?

Yes.

Vice Chair Markert?

Yes.

Okay. We are on to O Business and Christine, do you have a presentation?

Yes. Do we have just the okay. Good afternoon, commissioners. Christine Tibbs, assistant director. This is an update on the tenants at the Edmunds Main Building at 98 Northwest 5th Avenue.

On June 1 do you have the next slide? Sorry. On June 06/01/2024, we did execute a lease with Touch A Posh Salon for Suite 102. And then subsequently on 11/18/2024, we did preliminarily approve a site development funding assistance grant in an amount of $35,171.25 to assist Touchaposh with the cost of interior improvements. However, since the execution of the lease agreement and the preliminary approval of the grant, there have been several amendments to extend the build out period and the latest one was an extension to 12/31/2025.

However, there hasn't been much progress. And on September 9, Touchaposh, the owner of Touchaposh, reached out to CRA staff to terminate the lease. Given, you know, various issues and the delayed progress on completing the necessary design and construction documents, A mutual termination of lease agreement was entered into on September 22, and the last date of the lease is actually today, 09/30/2025. So given that there was a mutual termination of lease agreement and the unit itself is left untouched, it is ready to go out again for applications for tenants to take over that space at 102 at the building. So we are proposing to issue a notice of intent to lease for that space.

1st Floor, approximately 650 square feet. Yes. 650 square feet. And the lease terms would be very similar to as it went out before, similar to the other tenants. Four years with two options to renew for one year each total of potentially six years.

$18 per square foot, 6% increase annually with a the build out period open for negotiation depending on what the selected tenant needs for their individual interior build out. The CRA does intend to publish the notice of intent to lease for that unit on October 20 with about a forty five day period for it to be open to reach as many people as possible. And the application process, tenant selection process, and funding assistance available to them is very similar to or exactly the same as the rest of the tenants within the same building. The application was attached as one of the exhibits if you have any questions or additions or comments related to it. The selection process would be through a selection committee made up of three CRA staff members, one city staff member, one community partner.

And then the negotiated agreement would be executed by the CRA executive director as previously approved by the CRA board. And just an overview of the current tenants right now, Rabbit Hole does have a building permit. They are. They did get give me an update recently that they needed to switch out one of the subs. So they do need to submit that application, get that approved in order to get going, but she is staying on top of that.

Stella Mix podcast studio is open in Unit 103. They are actively taking on clients and recording. 104 Sunup Skin, she executed her lease agreement September 22. She was actually one of the items on the consent agenda agenda for project consultancy grant, so she's getting her design and construction documents hopefully started tomorrow. And then 105, Atlantic Current. He's been open since 2024 in the space. Multimedia magazine publishing company.

Wow. Okay.

And that ends my presentation. Over to the board.

Okay. I just have one question. If the unit that was terminated or ended, if the unit was not touched, why are we waiting till October 20 to put it to put it out?

Well, we just wanted to allow time to do a little bit of advertising so it would give people time to get ready that it's coming back out again. So we'll do a notice announcing that date. We can do it earlier, we were just trying to see if there are people

that So the advertising starts right away?

We would say, yes, absolutely. We would advertise it, yes, exactly. Just saying that the actual document will be available on October 20. So we'll start that process now and start getting the word out.

Okay. Anyone else have any questions or rep?

I do. Thank you. Yeah, it's good that we're advertising. Renee or whoever wants to answer this. When we put out an advertisement, how approximately, what are we getting back? Are you getting a lot of interest? Is it some sometimes, like Well how many about people? I know sometimes we're restricting what what the use is, but I'm just curious. Are we are we getting a lot of interest?

We are. So the first go round in 2024 when we put it out, we had about 15 applicants. Some didn't pan out because we still have, like, a process and and criteria. So we're asking for them to have no more than a million dollars in revenue. They have to be in business, I believe, for at least a year or two so that they're not just a a start up business. We want this for someone who's existing trying to Right. Scale up a little bit more. We ask for a business plan and to see some of their financials. So I think that sometimes people might not want to provide that or they submit it without and we don't review it. Got it.

So we have it's not a typical lease because it's not a typical amount. I mean the rent comes out to just under $1,000 which is very good in Delray. So it's kind of a community service that we have so that's the reason why we have that criteria. But yeah, we have had quite a few. I think the last go around we had four or five people submit and then two were selected from that grouping. So I think when we go out we'll still get people. It's just a matter of making sure they have the documents, making sure that they're hitting the scoring criteria that we have. And if we see that it's an issue we would definitely bring it to the board. I know we talked before about we brought up about the salons. We were saying there's a lot of hair services in salon. Maybe we shouldn't have salon. The Board said do not do that to go out and let everyone apply, which we did and we're still getting we still got good responses.

Great. Thank you.

All right.

Are there any other questions?

Thank you. Alright. So we are sorry. I just wanna oh, yeah. We are seeking board approval to put out the notice of intent to lease as it is attached to this agenda Do we need a

second one? I'll second it.

Commissioner Garney? Commissioner Long?

Yes.

Chair Burns? Yes. Vice chair Markert?

Yes.

And deputy vice chair Cassell?

Yes. Okay.

Thank you, Christine. Moving on to new business. Renee?

Yes. So given the time, I wanted to find out if it's okay to take items out of order at this point so we can start with the budget, which would be nine b. B. Okay. Nine b and nine c. Those kind of go together and then we can just see how we are going with timing. Great. If that's okay. Okay. Thank you. So Gina will start up the budget presentation.

Hi. Good afternoon. I'm Gina Clayton, the Finance and Operation Director of the CRA, and I'm here to present our twenty five-twenty six budget for approval. Nothing has really changed significantly from our last meeting. We just, you know, cleaned up some line items and such.

I do have a table here that shows the proposed budget on by sub area. And as you can see, the bulk of it, like 67,600,000.0, which is like 65% of the sub area budget is going to the Northwest neighborhood and like 45,000,000 of that is Pompeii. So just to give you a little perspective as to where our money is going, and we have like twenty one percent and twenty one point five million basically going to the West Atlantic Avenue we have budgeted. And the other larger line item is 9,300,000.0 for the Southwest neighborhood and that encompasses about 8% of that budget. Okay.

And then as you can see, we have and we're basing that on our goals and objectives and the CRA priorities, which is obviously to end the slum and blight and completing

and

then everything will be contingent in the West on the set plan transformation and then identifying also identifying sites for sites for acquisition within the CRA district. Can't see that.

I'll take the question.

Yeah, wait, no I have it here. It's just like, I don't have my glasses. You wanna borrow my No. I'm good. I'm like, sorry.

That happens to me every day.

I know. I'm like, oh, wait. I didn't put

my glasses on. My head.

I happen to have an allergy, so I'm like, I just sorry. Okay. So again, we are going we base the budget on our the CRA priorities, and so we have going out for bids for property acquisitions as I said and then in the Northwest neighborhood, we're looking the 600. We're looking for construction for affordable and workforce housing and mixed use construction. And then also part of that is the implementation of all of these projects, which is, you know, surveys, bids, and and then bid issuance for construction.

And the same thing with the Northwest 800 Block would be the construction document documents, permitting, and construction. And then we have the demolition of future commercial and affordable housing projects in the Northwest neighborhood on the 11th Avenue in 11th Avenue and the two thirty, the recently purchased two thirty five Southeast second Avenue. And then we just have continuing work with the city which for the Old School Square master plan, the Crest City, the Crest Theater historic preservation, and the Southwest neighborhood with the infrastructure improvements and the removal of the roundabouts on Southwest And Southwest 2nd Street improvements. And as I had already mentioned,

city,

we already have Pompeii Park renovation plan, which is a very exciting project for the city and the CRA.

And,

okay, next slide.

Yes, sorry, just controlling. Okay. And then we also have additional projects. One is to upgrade the CRA offices with HVAC painting and the exterior roof and siding replacement. Have that'll take place in this fiscal year.

And then continued maintenance of our properties in the on Northwest 5th Avenue. And the maintenance and exterior of our the historic building at 102 Northwest 5th Avenue, and the lots and alleyway, and basically major repairs and replacements at the arts warehouse with roofing and exterior and air conditioning and the flooring. The flooring was a major issue. And also putting in security cameras at all of our CRA properties to tie in with the Delray Beach PD. So we're asking I don't know if there are any questions, but the staff is asking for you to approve our resolution to approve our budget for twenty five-twenty six.

Thank you.

Are there any questions?

Can I get a Do you want a motion? Sure. Can I just If there

aren't any questions or discussion?

I'll make a motion and then a second if we can have a moment of discussion. Sure. I made the motion.

I'll make a second.

Thank you. Commissioner Long? Wait.

Can we have a moment of discussion?

You want a discussion?

Go ahead. A couple things. When you and I spoke last, we were talking about how the fear and concern that Pompeii Park is actually gonna be costing so much more as we go along. At the current moment though, have 45,000,000. That's substantial. Are we in a good place or do we need to start looking at that differently?

I think for right now we are. So we're there are a lot of active conversations going on right now with the city staff and the construction manager at risk about the pricing and going out for the actual bidding. So they're just looking at cost estimates at this point and actually starting to go out to bid very soon. So once they have the actual real numbers we'll see where it's at. If it's close and if it ends up having to come to request any modifications that would come to the board which we've made really clear to the construction management team. I mean costs have gone up since the cost estimates were even done over a year ago.

Right. That's a concern

substantially. Potentially, yes. But also remember this is a multi year project.

No,

right. So they wouldn't even start construction till probably next year which is another budget year for us. Right. So I think with the 45,000,000, it's fine for now because the city would be phasing that out over a few years anyway. So we would maybe, it came to be and we wanted to put anything more, then we'd discuss that later. I think the question also is if we want to do that because 45,000,000 is still a substantial number. So where are we with how high is the ceiling, I guess, at this point? We're pretty firm on 45 is the number. That's what we've told the team and we've been sticking to that. We'll see what happens when they get the actual cost though.

But 45 is our number. The other thing I wanted to bring up was the Northwest Neighborhood Infrastructure Project. We were budgeting, I believe, about $15,000,000 that's the large $80,000,000 project. It's also the project that we discussed taking out the bond, taking out debt for that which is also important for the CRAs to do. We've been working really closely with the city on timing of when it would be appropriate to do it because we have to spend within three years.

We're kind of getting close to that point to start having more serious discussions I think about timing of doing that. We've talked to the city's person that issues the bonds or assists with that, the consultant. So they've already given us estimates and we're just kind of waiting and looking at timing, but it's still on the books. And I know we had discussed the parking garages too. We put a line item in there well, just parking in general. So if we wanted to look at any parking situations later on, we put that into the budget so it's there just for something in the future to discuss.

You're amazing.

So One other you have foresight.

Have to Yeah, look into no you do such a great job for our residents and for us. I really appreciate you and your staff all the time. Thank you. The 12,000,000 for acquisition, you know what I'm going to say. I would love it if we could get a consensus to go back out and make an inquiry about the old Palmosa.

It's still sitting there, nothing has happened, things are changing, things are very different in the school district, lower enrollment, schools don't have money, the system is not doing well and they may appreciate an influx of revenue. So I would like it if you could maybe reengage on the question of where are they at in terms of selling that because I can go back through all the statistics about you know the elderly people are becoming homeless, that's the highest demographic. We could fit, I think we said about two forty units on that parcel when I spoke to Smith Hensie. There are still tax credits that would benefit us. There's a lot that could be very, very good for our city and it's part of our mission and we have the $12,000,000 in an acquisition fund.

So if my colleagues are interested in just Renee making an inquiry, I would like her to do that. I thought mister Marcus said yes, miss Barnes? Yeah. Yes. Thank you. You have your consensus.

So I just wanna make a an observation, which is that we as a board wouldn't even continue discussion about analyzing the property on Artis Alley to talk about workforce housing but we're going to now go back for what the third fourth time to ask the same question? Significant to sell us a piece of land that they've never shown any

interest Yeah. But we don't have 21,000,000, but we have 12. And I think at the last assessment on that property, was something like nine

said we shouldn't do it. I thought we just I thought we already had a consensus to move forward to ask them about this, like

Well, I wanted to ask again. The last time we asked then everybody stopped the conversation and so I'm asking her to ask again.

Did we ask a few months ago?

I did. Yeah. It was about five or six.

Yeah. Because they're asked like every quarter if they're gonna

sell it like this. Eventually they'll say yes. Would do it this We'll

test it now.

We'll it now.

Why not? Was the last time?

Think it was about six months ago.

It's probably, yeah, it's like last year or early

this time I asked, which was about

six months while. Yeah. Definitely a year. But it's that's what happens. We ask, and then the con the conversation kinda stops, or they say they're not interested or not right now or check back later. So it's always been this kind of like

There's turnover, and the financial situations change. So I think making it a phone call and making an inquiry Yeah. I can hear doesn't hurt. We have $12,000,000.

Students, so they need

the money. Exactly. That's the point. There you go.

Alright. I will ask.

Thank you, Renee. I appreciate that. No problem. Super exciting. Exciting once Once again. Again,

Okay. Did we get a vote on that?

No. We need

to take the vote. Commissioner Long? Sure. Chair Burns?

Yes.

Vice chair Marker?

Yes.

Deputy vice chair Cassell? Yes. And commissioner Carney?

Okay. We are Renee, you are next. We're on nine c?

Yes. So budget approved. I think Carney mayor Carney should be calling in soon so we'll keep going. Okay. So the next item goes along with the budget.

So this is the approval of the goals and objectives analysis establishing goals, objectives and performance measures and standards for programs and activities undertaken by the Delray Beach Community Reevolving Agency for fiscal year twenty twenty five twenty twenty six to comply with Florida statute section one eighty nine point zero six nine four. So if you recall in 2024, the the state adopted house bill seven thirty 13, which applies to all special districts, not just CRAs. But this basically adds an additional annual report that is a little bit vague on the structure of it. We came up with a structure for us to put together based on our budget. So but there wasn't like, I guess, hard and fast measures.

It was just come up with some kind of annual report for all special districts. It was a little bit tricky with CRAs because we have our own separate statute that outlines a pretty detailed annual report but this was just something that applied to all special districts, so obviously we're complying. So we printed it out. It's basically just looking at what we spent for the fiscal year. We're in the process now of preparing our annual report for last fiscal year, is supposed to be posted on our website by December 1. This is just basically setting up and having the board approve the same program basically or analysis for this coming fiscal year. We just want to have a board vote on this before putting it onto our website. It just says establish and we're taking that to mean it's having board approval.

Okay. Alright. Can I get a motion to approve this?

Sure. May I ask another question? Sure. Forgive me. Yes. I'll make the motion. Do you want to make a second? And then I'll make the

Second for discussion.

Thank you. I remember last year when you had to do this and you did a great job and it's perfect. I like this document. I think it's very easy for anybody to understand. It's very informative and thank you. But do you think we're going to ever have a problem with the amount of carry forward money that we have? I know we're carrying forward because we are, you know, we have projects that are in the works and we're funding them and in advance for our own benefit. But in light of the current environment, the questions about are CRAs really necessary anymore? When we have a document like this that's carrying for $63,000,000 do we worry?

I don't think so. In past years there was something in the CRA statute that talked about not carrying forward monies for more than three Right.

It couldn't.

Yeah. But that was removed a few years ago. Right, And also I think with our justification, we have

it all The large projects.

It's large projects, yeah. Over half of that is dedicated to Pompeii Park in one large project. Right. I think we have, you know, putting that picture together, Actually it's more than that because we have $45,000,000 for Pompeii and then $15,000,000 most of that is carry forward for Northwest Neighborhoods.

So you're carrying forward a lot of money.

Right. So a big portion of those are actually for substantial projects. So we just keep putting that out there as a reminder that this isn't just money that's sitting around. Are committed, dedicated projects that we're, you know, we've committed to funding.

Thank you. Sure.

Thank you. You're welcome.

So we have a second. We need the vote.

Chair Burns?

Yes.

Vice Chair Markert?

Yes.

Deputy Vice Chair Cassell? Yes. Commissioner Carney and Commissioner Long?

Yes.

Can they continue?

I will continue. So I just received a message from mayor Carney. He said he'll be calling in three minutes. So I think we just keep going. Item is a follow-up on the Delray Beach Community Redevelopment Agency's Advisory Committee.

So

in we the CRA opened up the application period for our upcoming RAC committee from June 5 to September 15. We received 15 applicants during that time period and we're in the process of reviewing them. Seven are ineligible because they live outside the CRA district. Three of them are from Sub Area 4. One is from Sub Area 7. Four are from Sub Area 8. So based on our guidelines we said that we can have up to eight, like basically one per sub area. But as you see here we have three. So three is a fine number for us because it's not a voting committee, they're submitting reports. So we could open this up again or just go forward with the three that we have here and select.

At the last meeting though, before we get there, we discussed amending the guidelines for the terms because right now we just had one one year term. Before that we actually had a two year term with the break and then coming back on but that was adjusted to just one one year term when we were kind of seeing where we were going with this group. So what we're proposing if we want to look at is changing it to having two term, like a two year term, sit off for one year and you can have another two year term after that. So you have a total of four as the maximum. So this is what the board we discussed at the last meeting of bringing it back.

So if we wanna make any adjustments, we would need to do that today and then we could select at the next month's meeting in October.

I would like to see us move forward with the two year terms. Okay.

So two years, one Everybody.

And a second year option, correct.

Right. Okay. Yeah. Term limit, correct. Term list. You could serve for no more than two two year Correct. You're basically Why the four

do we have the sitting off for

a year

apart? None of our other advisory boards do that.

Well, we just put it on there just to give other people an opportunity. But we don't have to if you just wanna say that they sit there there for four years.

I mean, I just I just know, like, with if it was, like, planning and zoning or something like that, you you just get reappointed right away. There's no like I don't care if we have an off year. I just don't know why we're reinventing the wheel is my question. If there's a good reason for it

to me if Yeah.

If there's a good reason for it, I'm open to it. I just don't know why.

We we can take it out if you wanna have this sit for two years and then have to reapply at the two year point or have it for four years.

No. They should have to reapply.

So reapply for two years.

I'm okay with them reapplying. I just don't think they should have to wait a year. Okay. Unless we see that there's, like, a crowd of people clamoring to get on this advisory board that we I just haven't seen that. Like, that's the case. I think we should keep the folks engaged that, like, are on it and just let them reapply and get right back in.

It's not been my experience. There's a lot of clamoring.

Yeah. So let's want to tell them to wait it out, then we don't have enough people for a quorum.

I think your idea is spot on. I haven't seen any clamoring yet. Yeah.

So the consensus is to remove that one year wait period?

Yes. And DJ brought up a point, would we want to stagger the terms so that they're all Yes. Not phasing out at this

you. That's a

great idea.

Yeah, you have some experience.

Okay. Alright. So is that a separate motion that you need

or I think does that it's go with direction. Right? Just direction. So we'll stagger, so we're basically doing two two year terms, You can only do two terms, that's the limit. No waiting period of one year in between and we'll stagger the terms. We'll have to do one for three years? One year. Okay. One person would be one year.

Or two. And then to move forward with what we have received, is that the second part of this?

The second part, yes. If we want to just go forward, let me go back here, We would go anymore. Forward. Correct. So we would just have three people basically.

I know. We spent so much time talking about how we would try to get from every sub area. I feel like we should try to do that. I think each of us needs to go out and look to find people in these areas to serve.

We can try. We can put it out again.

I think we should because we did want the diversity in the

if they're not going to

make up.

Don't want to force people to come because if you have to force them, they're not really into work. They miss the meetings. We want people that actually want to be there and working.

That's just my feeling.

I'd rather have engaged members than token members or placeholders based on geography. The city isn't that big, I feel like.

Oh, I think he's calling in.

We need to we need to finish this item.

So we'll go forward with the three or are we going to put it out again?

I would rather put it out again myself. I think we should try and get from all of the areas. I say go forward.

I say go forward,

go forward.

Okay, we have three go forwards and three So three people. Yep. Okay.

You

got your Alright. Okay, thank you. Perfect. So we will do that. So we'll bring we'll send you all the applications and all information so we'll have the selection in our October meeting and the schedule is here for the tentative schedule. The first meeting would be November, then January, March and May. Good. You need to get

going All right. With

Thank you. You're welcome. Alright. Then okay. Mary Carney's on the cell phone. Oh he's on the phone.

He's not coming on.

While you're waiting for him, if people apply in the meantime though, we're not doing it till the twenty eighth so you could still get people applying between here and there for the RAC. Sure.

I do

too. Okay.

In other words, you're not actually selecting till the twenty eighth so you still have

So we can open it again and just

Let's just open it. If it's not till the twenty eighth why not just open it?

It won't delay anything. It doesn't delay We just click the button and turn the application back on it doesn't really do anything us and we won't change the schedule so we'll just open it

back and

close it with enough time for us to review and get onto the agenda. Yeah, thank you. Alright. Good. Good? Okay. So we'll do that.

Is Mayor Carney gonna be on the phone or is he trying to come home?

Can't he get in on this computer?

He's trying, I guess he's having an issue with the Teams link on his phone.

He probably didn't download the Teams

link Is as he

He can go in through his browser. Does he need technical assistance?

He needs tech support.

He can come in as a guest. There's a guest tab.

Thank you for your patience. We are waiting for an international call to come in.

Why don't we just keep going because Christine can present the master plan and I'll figure this out. Okay.

I'll never be able to meet Adam Frankel's with all this delay here.

No. No one is killing

us. Okay.

So Christine?

So So we just wanted to provide an update as to the activities surrounding the amendment or the amendment to the site transformation plan West Atlantic master plan. So on 10/17/2023, this was when it was first discussed where it was initiated to update the West Atlantic master plan that was adopted in 2020 by the city, also known as the set transformation plan. November 16 after that, we, the CRA board, voted to proceed of obtaining proposals to update the entirety of the West Atlantic master plan. Then on March 27, we decided to slightly go a different route. We updated the demographics, which we had presented to the board on October 29.

Following the discussions at the workshop on October 29, it was decided that more than just the demographics needed to be discussed by the community and updated, and we voted to take on a consultant, independent contractor to help us with the update of the said transformation plan. And in May 2025, the CRA entered into agreement with Inspire Placemaking Collective, which some of you have met at our recent outreach events to help us with outreach and the eventual amendment to the set transformation plan. So the outreach events started with our kickoff of May 28 this year, then we had our second public outreach meeting, August 18. And then we had our most recent public outreach meeting just yesterday night. And I just wanted to make note that the three public outreach meetings have been very well attended by members of the community at both residents and businesses.

We've had upwards of a 100 people attend these meetings, listen, pay attention, provide their input, their feedback. So this last meeting, we got a chance to delve into the first three principles of the set transformation plan, really look at the action strategies with the community members and business owners, see which action strategies were working, not working, which ones could probably be taken out in the amendment because there were to allow more energy to be focused elsewhere. The next set outreach meeting for the amendment is taking place on 08/09/2025 at Pompeii Park, 5PM. So if you can join us, please join us. Oh, I'm sorry.

My apologies. October 9, Thursday, October 9 at Pompeii Park, starting at 5PM, where will be delving into the second set of the three guiding principles of the set transformation plan. So if any members of the community wanna join us on October 9, please join us then because that will be one of the, well, one of the final outreach meetings before we present a draft of the plan to the community. So that is the meeting where, you know, if you haven't been able to make the rest of the meetings and you want to provide your feedback for our for Inspire Placemaking to and the CRA to take in and use for the draft, please come out and support the plan amendment process. And then from there, we are hoping to draft the update and bring it to the board and the community for further feedback.

And we are hoping that in December, we bring it back to the board for final approval before it moves on to the city. So that is, in a nutshell, the big overview for the set transformation plan update process.

Thank you, Christine. It has been wonderful to attend those meetings and see the the community together working. It is it is it's amazing, and thank you for all the work that you guys have been doing. I'm enjoying myself. Anybody else have anything they wanna say or have any questions they wanna ask?

I just wanna say thanks for the those meetings. Those outreach meetings have been so successful for the city. This one has been fabulous. I've been to most of them, and it it's great to see the community, you know, stepping up, putting their input in so that we can get it right. So I think it's great.

Oh, I did wanna say that our consultant, Inspire, did say that out of all the communities that Inspire works with across the nation, they have never seen so many residents come out to an outreach meeting and so consistently. They've now joined surprised. I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised.

Like, that is a Delray. That's that's just the norm.

They have consistently shared that since May that they always take that back to their national meetings and share that with everybody, all the project managers across the country. They're always all surprised that so many people come out.

That's so cool. Is cool. Very cool. We are a national model.

Hi, everybody. Sorry.

Well, hello there.

Hi there. Hi there, chair. How are you?

I'm doing well. Glad you can join us.

Thank you.

International. Okay. We did it.

This this international call, are we ready to move forward? Yes. Okay.

Yes. Alright. Sorry. Let me go back. Beginning, we received a request from Concourse de Ligonce to cancel the green market or relocate because they're looking to expand their event.

So they do have a presentation, so I'm not sure if you wanna listen to that first and then we can have some discussion. But, you know, basically we would like we are trying to find an option to share the space to keep the green market in its current place. I'll just show you two maps quickly before we get started. So when we submit our CTEC application to the city, we submit it with two site plans. So this is our front lawn application which is the alternative site plan and this is our typical site plan.

So if there's an applicant or the DVA or the city or someone's coming and requesting to utilize utilize this space, we always propose an alternative, which is this space that takes up the fronts of Cornell and wraps around a little bit onto Swinton.

This is your alternative? This is ours.

Yes. I'm just showing just so you can get a layout of So in past years I believe the car show was more in the center area and then we still had our setup there for the green market. But I believe since it's been doing so well and wonderful that they're looking to expand which would be utilizing the space. We have a permit that's approved from the city with four dates that we cannot be in the space because of events. That's Saint Patrick's Day, the Christmas or holiday parade. We also have Delray affair and there's one more. July 4. Go over there. We turn the sound down there? Okay.

I think we can turn it down. So those are the four days in our application where we are told by the city that we cannot be there because of city activities that are taking place. So right now we have a private event who's coming in and looking to utilize the entire space. We as staff don't really have the, I wouldn't say to not have the green market and the applicants here came to the Board and made these requests which is why we're trying to facilitate the conversation. But typically it would go through the CTAC process and staff would review it at the city level and contact us if need be but this has kind of gone a different route. Here we are. Are. So

you guys agree that we should hear the presentation first by the applicant?

I agree.

Ms. Zengay, will

you go ahead and Hello everyone. Hello. I'd like to recruit Stephen Green in the board to hold the sign.

So

you've seen the emails.

A position, Max? Yeah. Is that a paid position? Definitely not.

So we are going through these city and CRA and public processes, as unpaid volunteers taking on personal stress for nonpersonal community gains for the CRA district tax paying businesses. Businesses. What we have tried now in year five of the international historic Delray Concord elegance is we have quite literally reached our twenty thirty benchmark five years early. We have $10,000,000,000 worth of net worth participants that are sharing their museum owned collectibles that are, as Bob calls it, an international cultural, you know, experience. We are sharing this for free with the Delray residents, with Delray visitors, and over 10,000 people.

We project 15,000 people this year. We've gone through the CTECH process for many years. We've gone through city commission processes for many years. This was deemed the process for this after three, four months. So we are all of a sudden back here.

So we do apologize that it's taking so long, but we have to follow the process. And the process, no one has really done before, so we are defining and and figuring it out as we go. So this is where we stand. What we have determined when we submitted to CTECH was step one, submit to CTECH. Step two, okay.

Now go have those meetings, and, obviously, we wanna avoid that next year and do it have the meetings first. But now that we've established it, that's the process. So we spoke with Renee, and she said it was easier to cancel as you'd already do the week before for Delray Fair because of the economic impact to Delray tax paying businesses. We don't care if you cancel or relocate. We actually want you to relocate so that we can help mutually, exist and actually send you thousands of of customers for the green market.

So what we have done is we've proposed a relocation across the street. It was held the green market was held here for twenty years before. We're only proposing this for one day. We are proposing to pay for any differences in the city fees so that it truly costs you $0. We have even secured private property on Atlantic And Swinton Frontage, which is the Docks property, that we've addressed any possible concern.

We're even going to offer to pay for banners then put them on our fence, put assigned volunteers at the fence and say, go send them across the street. And when Bob Cantwell from our board met with Renee, the only the the reason why not was because the vendors could sell out earlier. Well, isn't that a good thing? Isn't that that's then they have nine months to prepare so they can even make more product and sell more money and make more money. So we see this as a win win.

We've done our analysis. We've shared our analysis. Now we're just asking you not to make the final vote today, not to make that decision today. We're saying follow whatever process needs to be followed, and that process is CTECH. So we know it's already going to with our experience of of city policy, we know it's gonna follow the CTECH process.

But for the legality of it and and the the transparency of it, please, you know, direct staff to submit the CTECH application, which we've already done all the hard work of. And there's Steven, can you show the site plan? So the site plan has over 30,000 extra square feet. So there's there's definitely room to make this work. It it should not take weeks to figure this out.

As you've seen, we we've drafted most of everything else. First, you have to take this and run with it. What we are proposing is, to please submit to CTAC. As Ali has said, Ali Berman, the the CTAC manager, October 9 deadline, get on October 16 agenda. We see this as a very easy, smooth, one time approval because we know the policy.

And DSMG would, approve it on October 23, and then we would come back to October 28. And then we can move on with our you we have national corporations, international celebrities flying in at their own cost because this is a charity event for Delray First Responders and Delray Children Charities. So it's all to benefit Delray tax paying businesses and Delray Charities. So all the money stays in here. The other thing is we don't wanna make a big deal about this.

It has just become that because no one's bothered to do this process before. So here we are spending more than the annual green market's budget in one weekend directly into our local economy. And the potential for that is enormous, and we just hope that everyone can work together, get on the same page, and say, okay. This is actually a good thing. We should celebrate this. How can we make both work together? And we're privately offering to help with that. Bob,

would you

like to say some words?

Would I?

And then we have the the video from last year if you'd like to see that.

Welcome to the Delray Beach Concorde elegance. We had a terrific array of cars, cars made before World War two right up until today. It's a very nice show. It looks like a nice town square. Beautifully done. It's good for the people to know if the cars are, and it's good for the owners to bring them out. So everybody wins.

As you see pictures of the field, this goes back to previous public comments of the least expensive car in the field is a million dollars. The most expensive is 80,000,000, and that's for free for Derry residents.

When

we think of icons, mister Luigi Kennedi junior, his father is responsible literally for bringing Ferrari to North America.

The 1933 Packard v 12 was bought brand new by Alfred Vanderbilt.

That owner actually has purchased property in the city worth 30,000,000 and raised the property tax base. Thank you to the city and everyone out here. This is definitely the highest quality event in the history of Delray Beach. There's over 50 local sponsors. The restaurants speak for themselves. They they sponsor this. They say it it helps them. Any questions?

I don't have any questions about the presentation, but I did want to just clarify a couple of things that you you said you have already submitted to CTAP?

Yes.

So you've been approved by CTAP for you?

No. We've submitted. Oh, you're There's two holds. Okay. One hold is well, the the only hold really is the front line. There's two steps to the front line. We met with Sam yesterday. The only step the first step, is for the CRA to decide to make the front lawn available. The second step after that is to meet with Sam again to have the department approve the front line. Okay.

It's it's a catch 22 because this step has to come first because currently the front line is not available. It's no it's not part of the existing cancellations that are annual, like the Delray Fair the week before. My question to commission is what policy, what process, what transparent, consistent, fair process is there that makes that event annually canceled or that date annually canceled and and just bring it into the light. That's why we proposed the river.

Could I ask him a question?

I have two more, but okay. You you mentioned that Renee said that it was easier to cancel. Renee, can you

Yeah. So when this came up at the last meeting, the request, I guess, was to relocate us elsewhere, which we've explored at length, like, over the past years, as some of you have been here. We've looked at it many times about different streets by the tennis center well, not tennis center, down by the City Hall parking lot. We looked at street closures. We looked at closing by marketplace. And they just it's just difficult for us to do that. Trash is also always a consideration. The amount of closure that we would needed because right now, that where this is taking place is technically season four of the green market. So we have over 70 vendors, and they have to line up in one row because of the space on the street to allow a fire truck to go through. So you're closing several city blocks and we looked at it with city staff.

It's just really challenging. That's why I said, well, it might as well be canceled because it's so difficult to move it off-site. Not necessarily that it's easier, but it's just the challenges we've looked at over the years in relocating, we explore. We explored over by Arts Warehouse. We thought it would be awesome with because the new streetscape was done by Arts Warehouse, we thought it would be great to wrap it around those streets but the streets too small. So we weren't able to do it. So it's just the Old School Square foot campus was set up for the Green Market and it used to be in the Tennis Center. I know they mentioned about twenty years of having it at the Tennis Center. That was in the summertime when it was very small. So it was just one strip of vendors in the parking lot and it was a smaller event.

When we shut down during COVID, we opened pretty quickly, relatively, in the summertime and we decided to go to Old School Square Campus. That's what shifted from the Tennis Center to Old School Square where we had more space and then we started taking a little bit more vendors, not as much as the season, but we started taking a little bit more vendors during that time. So it was a much different situation of when it was at the Tennis Center parking lot because it wasn't during season. And it was to activate to West. So it was before I got here but that's what I was told is that we wanted to open the market to activate West Of Swinton even though that's just a step west but that was the idea was to activate West Of Swinton. Okay.

Commissioner Casill?

Sure. You've done this so many years and I guess I'm just curious, I, you know, was a proponent of you pulling this and going through the city process before coming here but I'm glad we're having the conversation today because then we can answer some of these questions as we try and figure out how to move forward. But from day one, I said, and, Max, I love this event. I think it's amazing. I think it's great for the city.

I appreciate you. I appreciate everyone that helps you, your entire board, and what you accomplish. Having said that, however, as I said when this first came up when you made your public comment, these people who come to the green market, we promised them a space and a time and they rely on it. This is their income. And I don't I guess because you've done this so many years, clearly something happened in the process that this consideration wasn't done in a timely way that it could have been factored into the green market schedule because I think maybe next year you say we need the whole front lawn and and and maybe it can work but in enough time that we can schedule the green market people for another week or you know make it work but for us just to cancel on people that are relying on us to support their households and families I don't want to do because I well I totally appreciate what you're saying I don't see how more cars on the front lawn necessarily equates to that much more for the city in relation to what we're taking away off the tables and out of the bank accounts of the people that rely on us.

We made a guarantee of that date to them, and I have a hard time taking it away. And I think what we need to do is if you are not successful here, you need to start working on your plan for next year with the CRA and with the city in enough time that we can all work on getting you what you need, but also accommodating those people that rely on us for their financial benefit of the green market.

And thank you for bringing up that point. Nine months is enough time. We're we're here nine months ahead of time. We actually started this process with the Sierra in July.

I don't think we knew last year that you were looking to move this, and I'm not speaking for Renee, but I don't know if she knew that. And the problem is she's planning the green market out well in advance. So I think your event is amazing and I think we can all agree. It's most likely an annual event. So we need to start talking now about next year. But for today, I'm really if our staff can't figure out a great way to relocate this and make it work and they're saying it's they'd have to cancel it, they couldn't relocate it, then I'm sorry, Max. I can't be in favor

of that. So if you would allow me to answer three bullet points to answer your question and Angela's question.

I think it's

We are here

the chair.

We now have nine months, which is plenty of time.

It's not plenty of time. They already have their schedule for the Great Market, and they're already expecting to be there.

Is most of these vendors are non city vendors.

Doesn't matter. They're relying

on us.

Dollars to $35, and they're taking money away from tax paying city businesses. The restaurants do not like it.

Well, that's a whole other issue.

It is a whole another issue.

And it's not relevant to this determination today.

It is the point. And the other thing is, to Renee's point, the map that we have proposed can fit 78 vendors with 770 square feet apiece. That's almost you know, most houses are a thousand square feet. So you can comfortably fit more than the 70 vendors that you have on the 66,000 square feet at the front lawn.

I'm going to go with what she is saying, which is that it doesn't work to relocate them. And based on that, Max, I will say to you that I will support talking about this for the next event, but I'm not comfortable canceling on those people that are relying on us that we've made a promise to.

Can I add something? Okay. Renee. Real fast. Okay. I just wanted to add for the the site that is being brought up about docs in Dunkin' Donuts, so that's private property. When we looked at relocations, we always look at public property, not private. So and the concourse was very diligent in receiving a letter from Steven Michael, who's the owner of those properties. And in the letter, it actually does say that the he's allowing the usage, but while how much of Duncan Lottie's lots is available is uncertain at this time. Pending demolition is possible and could occur prior to April 18.

So he's saying that a portion of it might be under demolition. I haven't had conversations myself. I'm just going based on this. I was waiting for this meeting. And what I indicated by email to the Concourse team, I think it was September 19, that we can measure the space. So our green market manager, when she looks at a site, she doesn't just do it on the computer. She actually physically goes out to measure and would also be pending a CTAC approval if we were to consider that site and also what considerations would go into utilizing private property. The CRA parking lot is also a private property site. It's a condominium so it's owned by the city of the CRA and some private property owners. So it would be a lot more than just saying we can just close it off and use it.

We actually have to get permission from them to be able to consider something like this and insurance and all of that because it is a condominium. It's not public property. So since I've we haven't since I've been here and what I've known, we haven't looked at private property for the market. So

That's why we got the private property donated on behalf of this proposal.

Which says that it could be demolished before April 8. Part of

it, which means you still have an extra 13,000 square feet of docks. And there's a slight chance that that actually happens on schedule, but it's still it's either 13,000 extra square feet or 28,000 square feet.

But, Renee, you're saying to us here today I believe your statement, I don't wanna misquote you, I wanna be clear, is you you as the director, our executive director of the CRA is saying that this moving it is not an option. You'd either cancel it or not. That's your position.

I would agree. I think you we also And have to look at

that's where I'm stuck.

Thank you very much. This this market's been here for thirty years. I mean, I think it's also this type of process is not typical. We've had conversations prior without coming to the board. Now it's been kind of turned around a little bit and I don't think that that's a great precedent and start for us to do that. And also the event cancellation rubric form is also something now when people want to have a private event they can come in and do that. I think it's not really necessarily the show. It's a wonderful event. In past years it's been a great synergy with I think both having them there in the space. It's now saying, the market's in the way of this growth so how do we get around that I guess or do something about it which is why we're here now.

So that's not a great process or road for us I think to go down at this point. And I have been saying from the beginning I would love to figure out a way for both of these events to take place on the campus. I even threw out there two representatives from concourse. The green market doesn't happen year round. There are months where it's often I believe with scheduling with these concourses it just doesn't work. But maybe in the future, maybe next year, look at a month where the green market's not there. So you can use the entire campus. I'll give an example also of Garlic Fest. They are looking to come back. They outgrew Delray, now they're coming back.

They've already reached out to our Green Market manager to incorporate Green Market into Garlic Fest. Right. They're wrapping it around by field house and they want to make it part of the footprint. That's how they're submitting their application. They didn't ask us to vacate the premises. They asked us to be included, which is what I would love. That is definitely the preference is for somehow and someway

And for all of this work together. Think we have to move forward the way we are with the market in place and then look to see what we could potentially do for Max and his organization next year.

Yeah. I would love to see both of these events happen and that we can share some space, but I'll let the other did you guys wanna let

the Yeah.

Close international caller go

on to the pub or whatever.

So that yeah. Sleeping.

I'm ready to speak whenever I'm ready to speak.

So Okay.

Okay. Mayor Carney, go ahead.

Okay. I wanna what first of all, I agree largely with what Commissioner Casal was was saying, and and with respect to Max, you know, to suggest that you need this front, that somehow the restaurants are benefiting from the event, which they clearly do, But the success of the restaurants isn't dependent on whether they get that front portion or not because you you have proven that you can be very successful without that piece of landing. And indeed, I think the green market does benefit by you being there because they're there and you're there. So I I I I'm reluctant to start making a permanent situation. Even if you if you if you go to the city and go through the process, you know, at best, I I would be willing to if if we were to decide that and by the way, I'm not on the page of of deciding that, is I would try it out for you to see I mean, you've made representations of how the green market is gonna be affected.

We don't really know that until they are till we see it in action. So whatever it would do, I'd wanna see how the green market would be impacted if we were to actually try this and not make it a permanent adjustment we do it one year that is suddenly now gonna be every year afterwards, because that's not fair to the green market people who really do rely on this. And I have to say, I don't believe that the success of your event requires having that piece of land, because it's been very successful, as commissioner Gassalle pointed out. I think every one of our every every one of us has gone to this event, and it is very successful. And I'm thrilled that it's here.

But the success or failure of it is dependent on that land where the green market sits. So, I mean, I I'm of the opinion that I'd like to keep the green market there and take advantage of the fact that they're next to a great event so that they could prosper as well. And and I I don't wanna get, you know I mean, I I understand that, you know, you you have a you you kinda argue with when Renee says something, you come back with a with a with a with an answer. But I I will say that to to question the city policy as to why they shut down an event for the Chamber of Commerce annual event where a 100% of the proceeds go to the chamber and its and its activities. And your event, while the you certainly do do give money to the charity, there is also a for profit component in it.

So they are not the same. They are not the same. So There

is no for profit. We are actually a five zero one c three.

No. I know you formed a five zero one c three. I know you did. I know you did. I I know you did.

But you're not the chamber I mean, you can't really compare this event to to shutting down for the chamber of you know, the chamber of commerce annual event that they have one day a year. And this is it it's which has also been traditional for thirty plus years. So and and, you know, it's your your questioning of the city's policy, I find, you know, one of my favorite terms is stay in your own lane kinda thing, but it's really not up to you to to to discuss what the city policy should be and what when when they should or should not be creating a special event for the city. So I'm I'm falling in line with what Julie has to say, what Mr. Sikh Thaw has to say, and that I think you should coexist.

And I think that, you know, to to move them at this juncture without us knowing a lot more, I just I I don't think I'm prepared to do that because these people do rely on this, and and this is in the middle of the season. If it were in July, I'd have a very different view. But it's in the middle of season. So I I that that's that's my view.

Thank you, mister Carney. But we're actually not asking you to vote today.

The chair will recognize you when it's appropriate. Okay. Thank you, mayor Carney. Hold up. We have other comments from our commissioner. Commissioner Sure.

I mean, fear that we've kinda turned this into a binary issue where it's either we allow the expansion and we cancel the green market or we don't allow it and the green market goes. And I feel like there could be some middle ground for compromise here that isn't being discussed and that we should be working more towards how do we make this work rather than how do we adhere to, frankly, arbitrary policies and and find reasons to kill it. Because I I have to disagree with with with mayor Kearney in that it it is applicants' place to question our policies. It's any resident's place to question our policies. That's why we our policies evolve and get better.

And not not to and and by the I'm not putting anyone under the bus to say that anyone from from our department has done anything wrong in terms of how this has gone. That that being said, it does sound like mister Zengage has been very proactive in trying to figure this out, like, months and months in advance to ask him, but, you know, they're sorry. Nine months isn't enough. Let's shoot for next year. I I don't know.

I'd like to be I'd like to see us be a little more encouraging of an event of this scale that has this much community buy in that does bring an enormous economic benefit to our city. I'd like us to see maybe give us a little more leeway here and and flexibility in terms of of how we're gonna work with an organization like this. We should be incentivizing this kind of economic boon for our community. That being said, I know we're not talking about canceling it altogether. The event's still gonna happen.

We're just talking about if we're gonna scale it out or not. But I do think encouraging the growth of an event like this is critical, especially whenever it is growing every year. If we're gonna halt the growth of it, what's to say that, you know, those those opportunities still exist going forward in terms of people wanting to bring in more cars and more residents continuing to come. We want that momentum to continue. So I guess to get back down to the specifics, right, it all comes down to logistics at this point, seems like. If it wasn't for this demolition issue on the Docks property, would that be viable were were it not for that that one issue? Is there enough space there?

I don't know. So that's what I brought up in my September email that we would need to measure it. It also has to be approved by CTAC and we'd also have to explore private property. So that is something that we just don't have an answer to right now but at the time the request was to cancel the market so we went forward with the agenda as is and got that email on Friday. But I had already basically the email directing asking for direction to direct us to submit the CPTAC application that they prepared for DOCS property.

So I had already said back in September 19 that we would measure it and look it but then this just got these emails on Friday. I had also prior had said how do we share the space? We proposed closing earlier. We proposed giving up a portion of parking spaces that we utilized for load in, load out in order for us to exit the property sooner so that they could load in. But we were told that that's not a feasible option. So, I mean, we haven't not been trying to Yeah.

Banter back You for have been.

Yeah. Of course.

And and thank you for that, boss.

Yeah. Definitely.

So so, Max and I understand it's it's not your preference to to have a sort of delay in starting it, but would that is there could you make a compromise on that front and and and work with the green market if they leave a little bit early, you start a little late? Can you make that work for this year?

Here's why that's very difficult. And and to Renee's point Is

it off?

Okay. There it is. To Renee's point, our original request to was to relocate. We we've been asking you to relocate for three months now. Renee's the one who said it was easier to cancel.

I understand. The question, though, is can we split the baby here if they leave early and you start late? Is that an option for you guys? Is it still work?

Here's the difficulty. We have Grimes Rental, Nicole just left, commercial grade structure tents that have to go in with heavy machinery, fencing. It it it's a whole thing that cannot happen in a couple hours and simultaneously with multimillion dollar historic museum owned vehicles that come with transporters, teams of managers, mechanics. You can't have all that happening at the same time. To end the green market early at, like, 02:00 instead of 04:00 on a Saturday does not give enough time to have that all happen.

We have cars coming from 15 states. Three coming three are coming on airplanes. They're spending $30,000 to ship their car here for this event to bring their families to Delray. You can't just say, oh, you get this two hour window to do this on a Saturday night.

Could I ask mister Zengage a question?

Hold. Did you finish your answer? Okay. Hold on. Hold on just a minute. Did you get your answer?

So and and I don't understand the logistics, obviously, of of your event, Max, and and what all is included. But I imagine certain areas of your site plan don't have that level of setup. Everything does. The entire site has that Yep. Level set up. You can't, like, move things around to the areas that you already have

access to. That's that's the quality of design we have come to in five years. What we could explore, and if if this is a compromise for this year and then next year, we can explore the whole lawn is and and that that's where our board is very, very cautious because we've had this discussion for five years internally. And it's it's a at what point is it compromised or is it dangerous? And that's if if we say, okay.

We're only gonna ask for the front lawn, the the the one part of Cornell, and not the whole West of Swinton side. That that's feasible. But what it does is what we've had in the past is we've had danger hazards, safety hazards due to actions of green market vendors not caring or blocking the entrances of the cars while the transporter trucks are coming in. They they have flat out disregarded and and and they don't care because they're not tax paying city residents or city businesses for the majority. That's concerning.

If you I think that can be worked out. I think, you

know Yeah.

I don't I

don't wanna get into that.

Mean, that's sort of saying we shouldn't do it because now you're saying we have additional liability, which is very concerning, Max.

I would think that's something that if we we have law enforcement on-site, we we could probably listen. If you're telling me there is a way to make it work I'm trying to find a compromise here to to to make this work for you this year, Max. Could

you commissioner Casale, I'm gonna give you an opportunity, but I wanted commissioner Long to

finish this. Max, assuming we can work out the the issue you brought up with with your concern about vendors not cooperating, assuming that is a concern.

If

we can work that out through ensuring we have a couple officers maybe during that setup process, whatever, It's could you make that work for this year? And then for next year, we we try and reschedule around it so everyone gets what they want. We're we're trying to figure out a way to make this work for you.

So imagine it physically. If the green market had the, access point to the west lawn needs to be muted. If if the Green Market had access point from the west to the West Lawn from the cresty of the driveway and only the cresty of the driveway and we had the access point to the front lawn from, you know, Billy's parking lot, and we had our own separate designated entrances. And the green market vendors actually listened to the direction from the green market directors of don't try to access the lawn from this side, then that could work for this year. It would be two separate things on the same one on the West Lawn, one on the front lawn, and, you know, the the Cornell Walkway would be the the separation.

Again, I see a benefit to the green market doing this. I think they're gonna have way more people there, so I don't know why they wouldn't be cooperative, frankly. But I don't know. I don't but so yeah. Let I wanna hear what you think about this So potential idea.

Well, one of my emails was actually saying that they just us giving up that space, basically, over by the parking spaces by Billy's the parking spaces there. And I don't believe that there was a response to that email, then there was a request that came at our last board meeting. So we did already offer that as an option.

Okay. Okay. So can we explore that route? Is that something that that that you guys are willing to consider? I know you haven't even spoken on this yet,

commissioner Barker. Sure. Want to consider any option that makes it work. Commissioner Casella, you had a question.

Have you already you've already basically invited the people for those spaces, and you need them. Is that correct?

What we have done is this event has become an invite only for the most part. Last year, we turned away

for have you have you invited so many that you need that space is where I'm what I'm asking.

The spots are reserved because we turned away 400 applications last year.

But is that there's it's yes. You did invite more people than you can fit on that side is what I'm asking you.

They are standing invitations?

Is it it's yes or no. I'm not understanding. I'm trying to do you already have you already committed to those people and now you need to figure it out is where I'm going with this? That seems like a yes. It's not See, it's it's not commitment. Tell you something.

It's not commitment.

I like you a lot. You do this all the time to us, though, and I'm not trying to be a turkey. And I'm just telling you, you have this tendency. I like you. I love this event. But you have this tendency both in the city and in the CRA of kinda going out and doing things first and coming to us second, and it's not a good habit.

We do not have them committed. They are rejected applicants from last year that we wish to not reject for another year.

Why is it why is it our problem who Max has made commitments with? If he's saying that that's a viable option and Renee said it's something they already offered, why

do we care if he's making them as a retirement? Has gone through correctly once again. I think my question is, if we were following proper process and procedures, he would have already had the c tach when he's coming in front of us because we don't know that the city is going to approve it. My understanding is the city is likely not to approve it because the city typically doesn't approve this usage on the front lawn. And my my issue is we're spending a lot of time on something that may be not approved by the city.

I'm not gonna go tell our residents and our business owners because of our process, we're going to deny something that everyone else

is going to be is we should follow our administrative process.

Agreed. Yes. But but we don't know what the city is going to.

Exactly.

We're not there yet. Commissioner Mark

But we should be before we get here. That's the point, miss Burns.

Okay.

That's why we're okay. That's why we we amended our request today to not vote on this just to see if staff could submit an accolades in Tuesday.

I am amenable to commissioner Long's suggestion that we try to make this work, and Renee said that she already offered it, so that means that it's option for her as well. Commissioner Marker?

I usually hate going forth, but I think I can Fifth. Enough.

Mayor Kearny win.

Yeah. Or fifth. Whatever the guy. I've lost track. But I I I I think I can bring a little bit of clarity based on some work that that I I got done today. Renee and I spent some time with assistant city manager Oris today. And being the new guy on the commission, my reason for wanting to do the meeting was I didn't really understand how this all works. But now I kinda do. And I think some of the things I learned will be new to those in the public, and and I I think it'll shed some light and help us in in our decision making a little bit. First thing I wanna say is the the green market is on Saturday.

Right. The car show is on Sunday. Right. Let let us not forget that. I I know there's time issues there, but that's that's the timing that we're up against.

I I didn't understand why the front lawn was so complicated to use, but I get clarity to that today from Parks and Recreation. That grass, and if you think about it, is underneath a lot of trees, and we have a very hard time getting that grass to grow. So when we wear it down, we're bald over there for months and months and months and months and months. And that's why the city is so hesitant to put a lot of traffic, foot traffic, car traffic, horse traffic, whatever the case may be, over on that front lawn. So that they do rightfully so think two or three times about that because that that could do irreparable harm for months to the view of our city.

I don't find the docks solution at all to be viable. Put myself in Max's shoes, you know, we heard there's construction that's gonna go on there. The timing is TBD. You can't execute a contract on TBD. You you can't do that. And and the second thing that would alarm me, that's private property. We do not have insurance there. We would have to either figure out if our carrier would cover us over there, or we'd have to write a new policy. So those are real world things. But it regardless, Max, I don't know how you we could make a commitment to you if there's potential construction gonna go on there, if there's a crane there when your cars show up.

I mean, that dog's not gonna hunt. Let me finish, and then I'll then we can we can hammer it out. The third option that we discussed today is closing at a couple blocks of Atlantic Avenue. Sounds easy, pretty hard to do. Yeah.

Not really in the best interest of some of the merchants that are there as we talked about it. There's containment issues from the police department. So that's been brought up, but that that's not really a that's not really a great idea. I I think for me, the the best option, if it's at all possible, Max, is what's been kinda discussed, which is the green market, we can close that promptly at 01:00 on Saturday. And, you know, they're they're I'm not disputing the logistical issues you brought up earlier.

But if we could close that at 01:00, that that gives you a lot of time. And this isn't your whole space for the car show. It's, you know, it's 20% of the space that that you'd have to you'd have to logistically work around. I I love this event, and and I think this is an event where the car show plus the green market, it's one and one equals three. And so I wanna find a way to do it.

That, as a business person, sounds like the most viable to me. But, again, I don't understand what you're up against. I can only imagine the logistics of bringing these multimillion dollar cars in and the security, and, you know, you can't bump them or scratch them or you know, I I get all that. So but the one thing that was impressed upon me in my meeting with Renee and and Jeff and mister Moore today is this needs to go to CTEC next. And then once that committee has made a decision, then they bring that decision and and and that analysis back to us. Exactly. So we're not really in a position based on what I heard today to to make a call on this. Yeah. And and we don't wanna go around our committee system what we have because it works in Delray. Mhmm.

So next stop for this is CEATEC before it comes back to us, I think, for a vote, madam chairman. Yep.

That is the procedure. However, you said that you would be amenable to the loading and the unloading, you know, barring that we can control the the the merchants over there to to use whatever is suggested. So how do we

If if I may, would you be open to asking staff to submit a CTEC application for our new compromise for this year, which is the Westlawn from Crest Theater to Atlantic Ave, the Westlawn Of Grass Of The Green Market on Saturday, closing at 01:00 and fry Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday for the front lawn on the East Side, for Concord. And we can we can explore that. But what we also ask is to submit that to CTAC by October 9 so that we can we don't delay this more and more and more and more and months, but we actually come back to you October 28 with a real optional decision.

Renee, does that

I don't I'm just gonna add. It doesn't need to have board direction to do that. We work with private events all the time to modify, like I just mentioned, for garlic festival. So we need to measure it. We bring it to CTAD. We have these discussions all of the time. So the the need to keep saying to have the board direct staff to do it is not necessary because we would just do it. If that's something that you're open to

We are open to that.

Then we can just chat about it later. As I mentioned, we need to talk about the October next week, and then we can go forward. We don't need to have board direction for that or for it to come back to the board to keep having the board involved. This is something that staff can do, CRA staff, and city staff. It does not involve the board.

What we just don't wanna see happen is what we keep on seeing happening is delays due to the process, but not because of that, but due to addressing,

you

know, the the process or the comments. That's why we wanna put a timeline on it. That's why we're asking board.

Well, Max, when you when you came to the board, you came straight to the board asking the board for something. When you do that, this is the process. The board has to direct give direction on including that on an agenda item because it's not something that we're working on at the time. That's why we had to wait for a board member to bring it up and get consensus and it came to the board meeting. You can come and chat with us at any time and we can work things out. You came to the board asking for something of the board, not of After five years, yes. Right.

After five years, yes.

And not on

five years. Sounds like

And this is all contingent, miss Burns, on the city process proving this? Because if they don't, then you don't have anything Exactly. To

So any direction, any discussions, it's still pending CTEC. If CTEC doesn't approve it then we keep our two alternative locations and that's it.

Right. So for the record, there's no determination regarding any action Right. Pending the city's review.

Right. And mister Zengage will deal with miss Jadison's

city director. Anything this evening. Right. Right. But the the direction you guys are gonna handle this conversation, and thank you. Alright.

While while we're in the light and in the open, can we get commitment on a timely manner that's that's not can you submit the alternative to CTEC by October 9?

I don't know at this time, Max. We have to discuss it and measure it. So I'll have to just follow-up with you tomorrow or later on. But I can't give you that commitment today.

Yeah. But there there goes another three months.

Max, you could also but you there's alternative. You could also submit an application for your an alternative location and that's something that the CTAC could consider now. You don't have to wait. You could consider it. Submit something they can consider and modify as the process continues. You don't have to have everything today. You can modify it later.

Not what we were instructed by by CTAC managers and Jeff is this has CRA footprint has to be revised first, then we can continue on with our process.

Miss he's shaking his

We would

like you to come up, mister Zeng, please. Some clarification.

Come on up, Joe.

Come on up. Join Let's do it. Join. We're all here.

So mister Zengage could bring his application forward now and leave out the front lawn, and C Tech can review it for that and then come back and amend it at another time. He has consistently wanted to come forward with the front lawn, which because there is no clarity on, CTEC cannot address.

Can he do two separate applications? Can he do his main application first? You just amended. Just amended. Okay. Well,

it sounds like we're we're moving off

from Yes, ma'am. Thank you.

Thanks, Max. Don't forget your posters.

Yes. Okay. Where are we on this agenda?

We still have more to go, guys.

Let's see. We We're almost finished. Are we on track now? We're on

F. Yes.

Yes, we're on F.

Okay. Renee. Alright. So I'll kick this off. So this is the request for proposals for development of 6 North or Southwest 600 block. We've been discussing all of the blocks, Southwest 600, 700, and 800. But we've, based on board direction, have been working solely on the request for proposals for the Southwest 600 block of West Atlantic overview. So I'm just gonna have Christine walk through some of this the the information in the RFP. We would like to issue it soon. I know there were public comments and some interest in, you know, not having it issued until after the set transformation plan West Atlantic Master Plan is complete.

So that's something that I just wanted to bring up to the board if we wanna discuss that at some point. But in the meantime, we have been working on this request for proposals. There are some modifications that will come along the way. We had, some comments from our legal counsel, DJ Doody and Sanath Alampore also is in the process of reviewing it in, consideration of the litigation matters that happened prior. We just wanna make sure that everything's covered in this RFP.

So it is very lengthy but we're just going to get down to the core of it so we can get some there's some pointed things that we need input on from the board. We'll also bring up those pointed questions at the next SET Transformation West Atlantic Plan Amendment meeting to get input from the community as well. But we we are at like the very narrow point of this and we're ready to issue sometime in the near future when the board is ready. But we're ready. Okay.

So the first thing that I wanted to point out, the development objectives which you can find on page 11, a community oriented full service grocery store is what we're putting this RFP out for. And within the RFP, we are defining the full service grocery store to be one as a retail operation affiliated with a regional grocery chain consisting of no less than 20,000 square feet of retail space offering to the general public, but not limited to the sale of fresh fruits, fresh vegetables, dairy products, meat products, frozen food, and vegetables, bakery items, and toiletries. Additionally, we are also requiring that the proposers submit a letter of intent within four months of the proposal due date from a company that will operate the full service grocery store. And that letter intent shall be addressed to the proposer and include the type of grocer, the proposed size and square footage of the store, and the timeline to complete construction of the grocery store. So just put it out there first and foremost, that is the main objective of this RFP.

And then, of course, with it comes parking. So the parking is to accommodate the full service grocery store and the general public with the preference for a multilevel parking structure. That is currently what is in the draft now. However, we would like board input at this time for two points, surface parking versus multi level parking and then putting it stating it as a requirement or an option. I'll let Renee go through this.

Yes. I know we've been talking about this RFP for the 600 block, it's the most attractive block, it's the largest block and we're trying to accommodate as many things in it as possible. But we also don't want to overcomplicate it to kind of turn off potential bidders on this project. So we just wanted to discuss with the board our thoughts on parking structures. I know we talked about surface level not being a great option but multi level is also an option as well. I know it's very expensive to build that type of parking structure but with multi level parking you could potentially build more things in the block. So we just wanted to hear where your thoughts are on this or if we just leave it open as an option of whatever they would like. And like I said here, it's a requirement or option.

Would you like me to start, Ms. Barnes? Sure. I think we need to ask for multi level parking because we're going to need it. And I think especially if you're asking for a store. And with respect to the requirement versus option, I think we have to leave both on the table so that we get more responses, and then we can determine where we're going. Because there could be so many components to that as we know from the last situation. We have to learn from each of these experiences. I would like to ask you one question. You used the term regional grocery store.

How are we defining that? Are we saying it has to be a local grocer that we understand? Is that based on size? What what does that mean when you said regional? Is that part of the I think when this started previously we Because were we're working saying with a regional grocery chain.

Yes, I guess not like a private label or just like an independent grocer. It's something that has more like multiple stores, something a little bit larger and not to have maybe like an independent store to come in. If we want to entertain an independent option then we could

change I almost feel like at this point because it's just an RFP, we should entertain as much as we can and then we have it in front of us and we see what we want. I mean we've done this so many times, Renee, that I think more options for us to narrow down are better maybe than less.

Okay. So we can remove the regional. It's just the grocery store, not even chain. We just want to say a grocery store of that square footage that's offering Correct. Those Okay.

Thank you.

You're welcome.

Is that okay for everyone? Mr. Moore, marker.

I agree.

Oh. Thank you. Mhmm.

Thank you, mayor.

I don't wanna be Debbie we need to keep our options open. Keep our options open, get as many as we can.

I I don't want to be Debbie down here, but I've I've talked to Renee about this. I spent twenty seven years at Nielsen, and we dealt with with grocery store that they were our primary clients. I think we're gonna have a very hard time finding a a large scale grocer to put in our downtown area. We've tried with Publix. We failed. Maybe they'll come back again, but, you know, they're in the business of of picking out geographies, and they've they've got a store in George Bush. They've got a store in Atlantic. Now we're gonna put one in the middle. I know how they think. That that's not gonna be super duper appealing.

You know, in in terms of getting a bank, bank branches are closing now more than they're opening. That's gonna be a tough putt. CVS and Walgreens are both closing stores right now. So I I think the chance of them wanting to put a new one in is is not high. Some of the other regional chains that are around, ALDI, possible, probably not what our residents want.

They mostly are private label product only. Whole Foods and Fresh Market, probably not what our residents want. Those are premium priced retailers, probably not going to hit the price points that we're looking for. I think we're up against a really tough one here, guys, based on twenty seven years of experience. I'm happy to get involved here. I'm happy to talk to publics. I speak their language. I don't know I mean, when Dixie is pulled out of our area, we all know that.

I think we just have to put the RFP out and see what happens, and then we actually know.

We can't do is is do what happened we've done before. We put the RFP out in public city.

Yeah. Different situation. Well, not? There is so much more involved in that, Tom. We had it connected to the three blocks. Publics wanted to know how they were gonna own the property. The people who are doing the project couldn't own the property until it was well done. There were way more components to it than just that's why we separated this out as one block.

Due respect, Julie, they played us. No. I've been in this business before. They they came in, and they took the rights to that geography. They took the rights to that geography, and they held us hostage for five years because they had the rights.

They really didn't