City Council - Regular Meeting

We'll call the November 5th city council meeting to order. Commissioner Smith, will you give us the prayer pledge and fact of the day, please sir? Our fathers once again we come before your presence thankful for this opportunity to be servants of your city. We ask father your blessing upon this meeting and all those together here today continue to bless us lead us and guide us oh father that all that we shall say and do we're pleasing acceptable in your sight in thy son Jesus name we pray. Amen. Amen. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Fact of the day. On November 5th, 1941, the comp the combined Japanese fleet received top secret order number one. In just over a month's time, Pearl Harbor is to be bombed along with Malay known as the Dutch Indies and the Philippines. Tokyo delivered the order to all permanent fleet commanders that not only the United States and its protector and its protectorate, the Philippines, but the British and Dutch colonist in the Pacific were to be attacked. War was going to be declared on the West. Fact of the day. All right. Welcome to this public meeting of the city council of the city of Apopka. Please turn off all cell phones or set them to silent. The city council permits and encourages input and comments by members of the public on all matters which may come before the council for action. If you ask to address this council this afternoon, please make sure you fill out a card with your contact information. Have presented it to the clerk. When called upon, please proceed to the podium and speak clearly into the microphone stating your name, address of record, organization of any, and direct your

comments to the city council and not to individual commissioners, staff, or members of the public. The council and the city staff encourages constructive criticism. However, personal attacks are prohibited. Please observe general rules of decorum and civility. Speakers and members of the audience shall refrain from rude or derogatory remarks, shouting, disruptions, reflections as to integrity, slander, abusive comments, profanity, vulgarities, and statements as to personalities. Any violations of the these provisions may result in the issuance of verbal warning, including warning for trespassing. If violations persist after such warnings, violators may be removed from council chambers. All right, Susan. [clears throat] need to arrange people by sight. Last uh week we had a wonderful brownfield meeting. Uh it was fantastic. Had it at the Church of the Holy Spirit. They have an 1886 chapel there that actually sat in this place right here in 1886. It was built here and it was moved over there after it was too noisy on this corner by 1890 I believe it was. They couldn't hold services with the W doors open. The um stained glass windows were shipped here. Uh they were handmade in England and shipped here and um they do offer tours if you want. Uh the ser the

ser the speakers were absolutely fantastic. We had them uh from the state of Florida D Brownfields. We had them from Orange County Brownfields and uh from the Orange Extension Office from the University of Florida and uh Commissioner Vellesquez was there and we actually had several people that are going to be turning over brownfields. uh one owned some brown potential brownfield areas here in Apopka and from we had women from the league of women's voters present. I think we had about five people from there and people from all over the county came. It was exciting and a lot of communication going on. So uh we were are going to be having some in the future. Um, one concern though I have uh about the raises the meter tampering fee and uh potential raise in fees that's going to be coming up is my concern for uh cutting off water. I know it's statutoily allowed at the state to cut off water. Um I feel that yes, if there are squatters and there are squatters laws about cutting off water um yes squatters should not have access to water. They shouldn't be there. They should probably be arrested for squatting, uh, kicked out, removed. But when it comes to people having access to water, um, that own the property, um, there they should have consequences. Yes, financial. Um, they should, uh, have penalties, all types of penalties, but personally, I feel we need to come up with some way to get them water. um that go that's a god-given right to me is water. And um I sit and talk with people every morning

that if we raise that are living outside the city limits, they're forced to get electricity and or first forced to get water and sewer from the city of Apakka. And one now he's 80 years old. He brought bought this property and now he's going to pay at least $6,000 now to get water to his property. Um, and it's going to cost a whole lot more when the rates go up. Albert Mckby 3603 Golden Gem Road. Good afternoon, commissioners. Good afternoon, Mayor. This afternoon, I'm looking for some clarification. Several meetings ago, Commissioner Nester requested clarification on the uh city's ability to provide some critical critical infrastructure, specifically sewage. And at that time, public works said there wasn't a problem with sewage. Subsequently, I'm led to believe that public records will show that there was a letter put out to a city resident that stated there were some problems with sewage. uh that we had reached almost a level of critical capacity on one occasion and that wasn't going to be able for that developer to to continue with their planning. Apparently that development was subsequently stopped. So my question is this, what changed in a matter of four or five weeks where public works tells us there's no problem with critical infrastructure in particularly there's nothing problematic about sewage.

First of all, we have one facility just now that processes sewage. It has uh two lines. I think it's a an east and a west. One is capable of providing 3 million gallons of uh processing. The other is 5 million. But it's my understanding that the 3 million gallons has been inoperable for some considerable length of time because of the nitrogen content levels that the city could not meet FD standards. That means we have five million gallons. What is it? Five. Yeah, five million gallons daily capacity for sewage. So, can the city confirm to me today that they have or have not approached Orange County to use some of their excess capacity? If we are going to arrange to use some of Orange County's excess capacity, I believe possibly 2 million gallons a day was the figures that were put about. Will this be likely to cause rate increases in the sewage over a period of time? If it's not, what are we going to do about sewage capacities? Because in my discussions with a number of developers who have large scale uh development plans going on, they're concerned that the city won't be able to meet their obligations. If the city doesn't meet their obligations, what happens if we can't issue certificates of occupancy? These developments, one development may have spent already tens of millions of dollars on planning along with other developers in the uh Kelly Park Road. We have concerns that if the development has been passed, if we don't have the sewage capacity, we're not going to be able to allow these people to progress. [clears throat]

Rod Olson, 3156 Rolling Hills Lane. As promised, Positive Things Champ is our new sanitation person. Uh, like her predecessors, does a great job for user friendly, takes care of business. I also want to compliment the city on identified earlier this week or maybe the end of last week sidewalk concerns with mold buildup in the upper fields at Northwest Recreational Complex. My wife said they were pressure washing it today. With regard to SNAP funding, uh the questions there, I think you should look at your discretionary funds if there's something you can move toward loaves and fishes to help the people that need food in this community. On April 16th of this year, you adopted two resolutions funding $3 million in road work in Emerson Park. Basically, a loan that they have to pay back in 15 years. I can bring you $2.4 million or over $2 million in revenue by simply foreclosing on the 2 million plus for the Rock Springs Ridge Golf Course. Then the city can engage an agreement with Rock Springs Ridge Homeowners Association for a lease purchase that will net the city $480,000 a year or $2.4 million over the next five years. A win-win for the community, saving millions of dollars for the purchase and a win for the city coming up with $2.4 million. This is yours. This is yours. I reported over a year ago sections that need to be replaced on Jason Dwelling Parkway. They did what my grandmother called a lick and a prayer. A couple little areas done, a bunch of areas marked and nothing else done. I followed up again in August of this year. And what happens? October 10th, I have a fall because of one of the raised section of sidewalk. I go down, broke my clavicle. You own this. Two days later, overtime, people putting out cones. It looked like the 4th of July up and down Jason Dwelly. Work commenced the next week. It was completed on the 31st. Over 60 sections

of sidewalk were replaced. Over a dozen leveled three ADA compliant intersections were put in. At what cost? Again, it's a reactive versus a proactive approach the city takes. Personally impact. I'm our maintenance man. I do lawn, tile. I've got suspended projects. Some work's being put off. some work my wife is doing and some work I had to hire out. I missed four of my granddaughter's soccer matches. I missed Biketoberfest. First time I missed it in 11 years. Various city events. Doctor says I'm recuperating great. Don't need surgery at this point. With any luck, within the next few months, I'll be able to be functional again. Pro combination of fit, luck, and the good Lord looking out for me. This injury is a reminder for me of all the challenges many people face every day. Mine's a temporary injury. Mayor and commissioners, this fall again exposes your negligent practices, your failure to properly budget, your failure to fill vacant positions, the fact that city employees are wearing multiple hats, your failure to assign, follow up, hold staff accountable. I'm entitled to a little extra time here today. Lack of infrastructure. Citizens, it's your responsibility to report things. Do you see something? Say something. If someone other than me would have pointed out what's happened on Rox on Jason Dwelli, maybe it would have been done instead of hell just what does that mean? We need to speak up. Use C click click fix in the process. While on Cclick Fix, let me cover this. Hey, you going to let me finish or not? No, you're good. You got three and a half minutes, right? Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Three and a half minutes. Thank you, mayor. Uh the rest of this will be addressed. I'm hoping to avoid a lawsuit with the city. And if you want to cut me off, you're welcome. Dr. Jim Moyer,

Dr. Jim Moyer here. First, I want to dress my hat. Okay. The US Marine Corps turns 250 years old next Monday, the day before Veterans Day, and we join our older brothers, the US Army that turned 250 on June 14th, and the US Navy that turned 250 on October 13th. Taking off my hat, separation of duties. I'm the elected art soil and water conservation district 2 supervisor. We're having a fundraiser in AoE basically right down a koi apopka road uh on Friday from 3 to 5. I encourage everyone to attend. Um pop in, pop out, whatever you want. The owner of the Breakfast Club of Akoi is an amazing young man. He owns two businesses. The Breakfast of Club of Akoi is owned for four years and he's 25 years old as of November 1st. He also owns another business. This will be a rare opportunity to meet Chris uh because he's at his other business most of the time if it's slow and if he's at the breakfast club, he's working harder than anybody in the back, but he will be available Friday. I encourage everyone to attend. Um, also I'd like to point out that I come here to these meetings to be a resource for APKA. I I go, for example, this morning I'm part of the Orange uh agricultural

committee. If there's any needs or anything that Apopkco wants me to convey to the Orange County a committee, please let me know. If there's any way I can help at all, that's why I'm doing this as an elected volunteer. For example, last night I spoke at Lockheart. Prior in my preparation, I found out that there was a vacancy doing water sampling on Lake Lockheart and I ultimately connected the person with the Florida Lake Watch to a potential volunteer in Lakeart. So again, I'm here to help. I appreciate everything you do. I love the city of Aaka and my city of Akoi. If at all possible and you can put this flyer on your website, I would greatly appreciate. AOE has already done so. Thank you so much and God bless you all. Thank you. Nikki Magcguire, Naomi Kids, Apopka, Florida. I am here today to announce that we're doing our annual Christmas event. This year we partner with Domino's. It's called a clause for celebration. We know everyone's going through something or the other. So we this is our way of giving back to the community. Everything is

absolutely free. However, we do ask that families in order for us to control the headcount. We are catering for 100 kids, families have to register in advance. On the screen, if you do a screenshot, that QR code, you can scan it for the families to register. kids ages up to 13 years old. Um to promote a popka, we asking that families who register must live or attend school in Apopka. It's an outdoor event at um First Mediaters um church in Apopka. We also Domino's is going to be doing a surprise special gift to a family. As part of bringing a popka together, we are offering a free local business promo. So any businesses located in Apopka, if you have any promotional items that can be used as stocking stuffers to promote your business, please get in touch with us and um we will put your stuff in in the stockings to give to the families. We're going to be having free food. Um thanks. We do have an anonymous donor who is going to cover the toys for 100 kids. So each child will get a free toy gift wrap. We're going to have face painting and also they're going to get to do pictures with Santa. If you have any questions, please call us. The phone number is there 4078835585. This event is going to be on December 20th, 2025. Thank you everyone for your time and have a happy Thanksgiving if we do not see you again. Thank you.

[clears throat] Leroy Bell Aopka. Two thing right quick before I get to what I want to speak about. One, I seen someone speak I think it was last meeting about people coming up that don't live in South Aka always talking about annexation. Commissioner Smith and I don't live in Southapka, but we want to see Sapakapka uh annexed. We have conveyed that and there have been workshops saying put it on the agenda and let the people vote on it. And I'm sick and tired of these Sambles coming up here stuck with this administration talking about they don't want Sappa Pakka and there Sappa Paka don't belong to them. So they need to get somewhere and sit down. Secondly, I seen last meeting where two people come from the county with their Abbott and Costello slapstick comedy. One want to be the mayor of a papa. People pay attention. These people is campaigning off of your dime. What I came to speak about is South Popkins being shaken down by the water department is several people have received these outlandish water bills and we want to know what rate are they being charged with. They they've been charged with the last rate or this new rate that you didn't impose. If you go down there, the water treatment sewer plant, you can't even go on the outside because the stench down there. And if you remember, Mr. Cooper came in about the lift plant up on um I

think that's Bradshaw. And the next day, the city administration had 20 trucks out there taking care. No, I don't live in Savaka, but we do have property in Sapaka. I have family in South Popka. I have friends in South Paka. I have a godmother in South Aka. And last, this administration need to do better about when people did record requests about this water. There's been record requests about the water. And no one no one have received anything. Come on and start serving the people and stop serving yourself. I would like for a change that the people that live in South Aka get their head out the back pocket of this mayor [clears throat] and put it with the citizens. Can you speak? Amen. Um, [clears throat] first I want to just thank the mayor and uh commissioners for uh what you do in consideration of the unhoused and the needy in the community. um with the SNAP program that has been

reduced uh Tuesday, yesterday, I asked um the um re the residents, the unhoused residents uh how many of them were on SNAP, everybody's hand was up. So with the reduction or the change with the SNAP program or whatever is going in limbo with that um there's going to be a overwhelming need for things to be uh given or to be purchased. You know I'm I ride around with beeferoni in the back of my car all the time and things like that. So any way that you can support any organization um whether they're 501c3 or not, any way you can support would be very much appreciated by not just me but the community itself. Uh, next, um, I'd like to get asked for the next meeting if we can get an update on the sleeper bus, um, publicly. Um, that would be, um, something that would be interest uh, the unhoused would be interested in. Um and then uh next um um next week's weather projections are supposed to be in the 40s and and uh high30s. So if we could get ahead of the game so I can know exactly where we're going to uh commence with the with the warming shelters if possible that would be great. And then um fifth um on November 23rd at Just Like Mama's we will be having our Thanksgiving um meal. [clears throat] So if you can just take a few minutes

just to come in and just um be present uh with them with us as we um have our Thanksgiving dinner celebration with them. Uh, and lastly, I'm going to take the rest of time to remember um, April Michelle Mulligan. She is the young lady that got um, hit on the 441 in front of uh, First Baptist Church. She's a young lady there. So, I just want to take the rest time just to be silent just to remember her at that time. Thank you and God bless. Okay. All right. Thank you. All right. Looking for a motion to any any changes to the minutes? Not. Look for a motion to approve the uh minutes from October 15th. So move. Got a motion by Commissioner Anderson. Second. Second by Commissioner Velasquez. All those in favor? I. All opposed. Motion carries unanimously. Bradley, any changes to the agenda? Uh, [clears throat] mayor do have a couple here. Uh, in public hearings, we're requesting to move item number four, ordinance number 3131, second reading, small scale feature land use amendment for 1920 Sheiler Avenue, up to just before item number two, which is ordinance number 3123, second reading of zoning, uh, change of zoning for 1920 Sheieler. That's the appropriate order that need to go. Okay. for approval. So number four goes before number four will go right after number one before number two. Gotcha. Okay.

And then also the applicant for item number seven ordinance number 3121 first reading small scale future land use amendment for 155 MA board street is requesting a continuence to the November 19th 2025 meeting. And then have an update on the second reading for ordinance number 3130 charter amendments. The second reading has been advertised and placed on the November 19th regular city council meeting. It's being done to ensure the second reading also occurred on an evening council meeting uh which may be easier for residents who uh work during the days to attend and and be part of that second reading. Just a reminder, the uh final deadline for the city to submit election materials to Orange County Supervisor elections for the March municipal election date is January 5th, 2026. So, we're still in in the timeline there. Thank you, Bradley. All right. Next up, got a proclamation. Boy, Victoria, how long we been doing this? About 20 years. [laughter] So, Victoria Laney is here to uh accept our proclamation and it's about the family and week of the family. And so, let me just read the proclamation. And it states, "Whereas the family is the foundation of the city of Apakka, it is the family that instills pride and a sense of community in our city. And whereas Apakka is blessed with a multitude of families, the central part of the cultural, social, and spiritual fabric. And whereas strong families are the center of strong communities, and we should take time to honor the importance of families and recognize the special connections that support and strengthen them throughout the year. And whereas during the celebration of family, we will also remember and pray for the families of our men and women serving in the military. And whereas by strengthening the family unit, our community, cities, and nation will be stronger for future generations. This year's theme is families support each other. Now therefore, I, Brian Nelson,

mayor of the city of Apket, by virtue of the authority vested in me, city of Apaka, do hereby proclaim November 1st through November 8th, 2025 to be week of the family. Victoria, you want to say a few words, then we'll get a picture with you. Thank you so much. That's the final proclamation, and it is so beautiful. I love the way you included the veterans and um I don't usually um hear the public comments. So that was so interesting. You're all my brothers and sisters. We're all families and families sometimes argue, but in the end we all love each other and want want what's best. And so thank you for uh issuing the proclamation and for the opportunity for me to be here. Thank you, Tori. What's wrong with you? [clears throat and cough] Thank you very much. Thank you.

All right, we've got seven consent agenda items. Does anybody from the public or from the dis need to pull any of those items? If not, look for a motion to approve the seven consent agenda items. So move. Got a motion by Commissioner Smith. Second. Second by Commissioner Anderson. All those in favor? I. All opposed? Motion carries unanimously. All right. Street closure for the Pudding Place Festival. And I hope you have some definition what that means because I think we're all inquiring minds want to know. There I still want to know. Um I've been researching. Um, so Cindy Edwards, interim parks and recreation director. I have two road closures. Um, the first is an event street closure is requested in the special event permit application uh by Strata Entertainment for the Pudding Place Festival. The event requested is November 7th, 2025. The requested street closure includes East Station Street from South Park Avenue to 6th Street. The street closure would begin at 3 pm on November 7th and reopen at 9:30 p.m. the same evening. Event times are provided uh between 5 and 900 p.m. The special event permit application has been reviewed by staff, including police and fire, and has been recommended for approval. Uh DRC unanimously recommended approval at their October 22nd, 2025 meeting, and this is being brought to you all for final approval. Um, I do have an update, Commissioner. I have uh updated BTR from them, so we're good on that. And both of these road closures have gone through roll call. Excellent. Thank you for doing that. That was a question I had was updated BTR and then making sure that police were uh involved in some capacity for her safety. So, thank you for that update. You're welcome. Any other questions for Cindy? No. On this one? Um,

anybody from the public wish to speak on this matter? I just want to you commend Cindy and the team for putting this together and I hope that we can work collectively with the Fifth Street Market to really make this, you know, because that's obviously it's the next street over. So, it' be nice to kind of, you know, obviously the synergies for two events, you know, hopefully everybody gets to to be a part of both events. So, if you make sure that I know that we just lost um Kelly, but you know, get with Kelly and and the IT team and let's try to make somehow weave those two together because I think it's a it's a great opportunity for us to to do multiple things uh downtown. Absolutely. And uh Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead. You have to I got another one. Okay. Well, we got we got u So, anybody from the public wish to speak on this one? If not, we'll close public hearing. Look for a motion to approve or authorize the event street closure for Pudding Place Festival. So move. Got a motion by Commissioner Smith. Second. Second by Commissioner Nesta. All those in favor? I. All oppose. Motion carries unanimously. Next up, authorization for event street closure for Pines of Wik. Okay. An event uh street closure is requested in a special event permit application submitted by Pines Wakiva HOA for a holiday fest. The event requested is December 6, 2025. The street closure includes Wakiva Pines Boulevard from Falcon Crest Boulevard to Windham Pine Drive. The street closure would begin at 9:00 a.m. on December 20 uh excuse me, December 6, 2025 and reopen at 3 p.m. the same day. Event times are provided as 10:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m. Uh the special event permit application has been reviewed by staff including police and defire and is recommended for approval. DRC unanimously recommended approval of the special event permit application along with the proposed street closures at their October 22nd meeting and is being brought to you for final approval. Any questions for Cindy? Anybody from

the public wish to speak on this one? If not, we'll close the public hearing for a motion to authorize the event street closure for the Pines of Weeka HOA Holiday Fest. So moved. Got a motion by Commissioner Neesa. Second. Second by Commissioner Smith. All those in favor? I. All oppose. Motion carries unanimously. Next up, interlocal agreement with Central Florida Expressway CFX Byan Road State Road 429 half interchange. Jean. [clears throat] Yes, sir. Good afternoon. Jean Sanchez with the community development department. Um, mayor and council members, this item is, let's see here. This item is the interlocal agreement between the city of Apopka and the Central Florida Expressway Authority for the State Road 429 and Bignyan Road half interchange project. It uh creates a northbound on-ramp and southbound off-ramp at Bignyan Road, providing improved access to Southwest Apa. It'll also reduce travel pressure on existing interchanges like the Hokko papa road and improve network efficiency for that region. The interchange has been a long-term city priority and represents a strong partnership between Apakka and CFX to address regional mobility and local access. This aerial gives a sense of where the project is located. It's the connection point between Bignyan Road and State Road 429. Now, before we move on to the provisions of the agreement, I'd like to give a quick summary of how we got here. In 2021, city council first heard a presentation by then transportation coordinator Pam Richmond, you may remember her, regarding a Bignyan road connection to State Road 429. In 2022, CFX initiated a project

development and environment PDNE study to analyze environmental traffic and design feasibility. And during that PDN and design phases, CFX hosted community meetings, provided public notices, and coordinated with adjacent property owners. The city and CFX continued to collaborate to ensure that access management, safety, and noise mitigation are fully addressed during the design phase. In late 2024, the city executed an interlocal agreement with Orange County to transfer a portion of Bignyan Road right away to Apakka, ensuring local control. So with these milestones, these milestone milestones represent three years of consistent coordination to align local and regional mobility priorities and will significantly enhance connectivity for residents, commuters, and future development within the southwest growth area. And so here's an overview of the um key components of the project. The northbound on-ramp and southbound off-ramp connecting Benign Road to to State Road 429. This is the concept layout from CFX's preliminary design. It shows a northbound ramp providing direct access to State Road 429 while the southbound ramp provides a safe and efficient return route into Apka. There's also the realignment of Boy Scout Road to intersect Binyan Road through a new roundabout, a foundage road is included in order to maintain access to existing Boy Scout Road properties. Um, a sidewalk along the realigned Boy Scout Road and a 12 foot with multi-use trail along the west side of Bignyan Road as well. These fe these features not only improve access to State Road 429, but also enhance pedestrian and bicycle connectivity within the city's growing west side. Project footprint is designed to minimize right ofway impacts and

preserve access for adjacent properties. With the project scope established, the next step is clarifying on how the city and CFX share responsibilities which is defined in this ILA, the interlocal agreement. The ILA clarifies ownership limits wherein the city retains responsibilities for local roadways while CFX maintains control over the limited access rightway. CFX is responsible for the design, permitting, and construction of all interchange facilities and will fund 100% of the project's design, construction, permitting, and long-term maintenance. CFX also requires all necessary permits and maintains improvements within the LA ride ofway after completion. City responsibilities include reviewing CFX plans for compliance with city roadway standards and acquiring necessary right of way for Binyan Road and Boy Scout Road and maintaining those improvements after completion. The division of responsibility is straightforward and ensures no city construction cost participation. All project funded funding is being provided by CFX through its five-year work program. After council approval, the project will proceed to the CFX board for approval, then followed by finite design and construction. City staff will continue to coordinate with CFX throughout this process as well. To conclude, this agreement represents a major step forward in improving mobility and access for BOPKA. Delivers a critical transportation improvement with no city construction costs while enhancing safety, connectivity, and multimmodal travel options to support continued growth in the area. Therefore, staff recommends that city council approve the interlocal agreement between the city of Apakka and CFX for the State Road 429 Bignyion Road half in interchange and authorize the mayor to execute the agreement and related documents. We also

have a couple of representatives from CFX with us this afternoon, partners who have worked closely with us throughout the the process. And I'd like to invite them to briefly introduce themselves and if they'd like share a few remarks or they don't have to, no pressure. So after that, staff will be happy to answer questions um that council may have. You want to introduce yourselves? Thanks, Jean. Uh I'm David Faulk. I'm the director of engineering at CFX and I was actually here back in 2022 presenting to you on the PD&E study with the uh alternatives that we had. Good afternoon. I'm Aaron Johnson. I'm an engineering project manager at CFX. Uh I've been managing this project. It's been great working with the city on this and we're excited to move this forward. Thank you. Okay, any questions for Jean or the team from CFX? I just have a couple quick questions. Thank you for this presentation. Kind of give us a background of how we got here. Again, it has been a long long road, no pun intended, but we're here in, you know, heading towards that direction. If you can go back to the uh the map of what that's supposed to look like. Previously, we had talked about a lot of different options. Is this this is what we're going with? This is it. This is the exhibit to the to the agreement. Yes. Okay, understood. So, that this is exactly what's going to happen there then. So, and I there was some concerns of access points to um what I'm going to call old uh old boy scout road. I don't know what we're going to call that, but I'm I'm gonna call it that for now. Uh and and I see there's two different uh kind of ingress eress to old boy scout road. And that's what's going to happen because before it was either kind of one or the other, but both are going to happen now. Yes, sir. Okay, understood. And then the uh to what extent are we through design? Is it completely done the design phase?

No, we're um we're still working through design. We're about a month out from 90% plans. Um and then we expect to have bid plans uh in June of next year. Okay, understood. And then timeline once plans are done to completion. Complete. Well, we expect to get out to construction um or provide our ad for construction uh late or quarter 3 of 2026. Um we expect bids late quarter 4 uh 2026 and then it's uh we expect about two years of construction, so we could have it done possibly by the end of 2028. Understood. Thank you so much for that information. Thanks for being here today, too. Any other questions for the team? No, those those were the questions I was going to ask like when were they going to start with the um construction of that of that road really for us tomorrow if we can. But all right, no other questions. Anybody from this public want to speak? Yes. Come on up. Bobby. Hi, Bobby Boy. Uh, 2317 Boy Scout Road. Um, I'm concerned with the maintenance of the access road. Um, what's going to be realigned? Um, and also Bobby, be be sure to try to talk. Yeah, there you go. I know it's okay. There you go. um the maintenance of that access part. Uh also facilities for turning around the garbage trucks and the mail trucks when they go ahead and deliver and pick

up. Uh sorry. And um I'm just wondering about about future care. Um when you do that where the my ground has been not taken care of really well. It's it's they're working on it or towards it where the asphalt meets the the ground. Uh I'm trying to keep the water from washing out the rest of it and where the uh retention pond on the view is designed or engineered to stay on their own property except it doesn't. It comes under Boy Scout Road and is residing in the back of 11 properties or they're sort of flooding. Um, and of course when we have rains or any kind of storm system, of course, that also is designed to come over under us. And I'm just wondering how much more water we're going to have to be putting up with because it's it's destroying our land value, not having usable land for resale. And some of my neighbors are worried about that, too. And also, uh, the one neighbor has, um, semis and he's he's landlocked with part of his equipment at the back of the his property. Uh we don't have fire and medical access to the back of our properties because of all the water. Um it's also coming down from um not only the view on the south side but the Eden Crest on the north side. Um, I like to have like to have my land back, but it's maybe something I could talk to you, find out how to get a hold of you and come to your office or talk to somebody. Um, yeah, you can Well, just get them offline. Would that be best, Aaron? Okay. I don't go online. Huh? No, I mean as in not not right here. [laughter] if you get if you'll get her your card

if you don't mind and uh he can he can get back to you. How's that, Bobby? Okay. Any anybody else from the public wish to speak on this one? If not, we'll close the public hearing. I just want to thank uh thank David and Aaron for coming out today and and when you get back, tell tell Michelle and Glenn appreciate the the partnership that that we've we've enjoyed for for many many years. And and uh we we really enjoy working with you guys. y'all are the best and and uh we want to continue to work with you as as as we grow and you grow and and just want to be be one of those partners that you can count on. So, thank you. Thank you for Thank you for being a part of this. Okay, with that look for a uh motion to approve the interlocal agreement with CFX for the Binyan Road State Road 429 half interchange. Some a motion by Commissioner Velasquez. Second by Commissioner Smith. All those in favor? I. All oppose. Motion carries. Thanks, Jimmy. Okay. RFQ25- A-235. Thanks, guys. [clears throat] Good afternoon, mayor, commissioners. Um, first item before you again as mentioned RFQ 2025 A-235 for the design and project management of the Northwest Recreation Complex new softball quad to CPH Consulting LLC is who we would like to award that to. Um we had a committee that consisted of Cynthia Edwards the Animal Parks and Rec um director, Christopher Retor, parks administration manager, Donnie Roland, parks administrator, and one advisory committee member Dale Smith. So the committee is recommending approval of

CPH consulting um for this task. Any questions for Blanch? Just a couple quick clarifications. We already discussed this during the agenda review. Just want to go over them again. The uh funding for this is coming from TBT dollars. Correct. Correct. Okay. And this is going to be located to the south of station five uh off of Jason toy Parkway. Correct. Correct. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Any other questions for Blanch? Anybody from the public to speak on this one? Not. We'll close the public hearing. promotion to award a contract for RFP 20225- A-235 to CPH Consulting LLC for the design and project management services for the new softball quad at the Northwest Recreational Complex. So moved. Got a motion by Commissioner Lasz, second by Commissioner Neesa. All those in favor? All opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Next up, RFQ2025- A-184. [cough] Okay. Before you, as mentioned by the mayor, RFQ2025A-184 for the water reclamation facility east plant expansion design to Tetrate. Again, this was another RFQ and it is for the expansion design of the project. And we did have an evaluation committee that consisted of four voting members which was Vad um public works director, Glenn Brooks our public utilities director, DHO utility design manager, and Dell Smith the senior senior engineer. Again, this was a close race similar to what we've previously experienced with our auditing services. So, it's about a 0.25 25 difference after the interviews, but the committee is recommending u approval uh to award the contract to tetrate tech.

Any questions for Blanch? Anybody from the public wish to speak on this one? If not, we'll close the public hearing. Look for a motion to award a contract for RFP 2022-184 to Tetrate Tech, Inc. Water Reclamation Facility, East Plant Expansion Design. So move. Got a motion by Commissioner Smith. Second by Commissioner Anderson. All those in favor? I. All oppose. Motion carries unanimous. Next up, RFP 20225- A-248. This is for consulting services for the South of Pakka annexation feasibility study. And we're seeking authorization to award this contract to Blueestar Holdings International. We do have some representatives here that after I complete this allowed them to introduce themselves and give a brief presentation. Again, we only received one bid for this particular task and but we did have a great committee that um gave us their time at a short notice and I appreciate that. It consisted of Valad um our city engineer and director of public works um Will Sanchez our fire chief um Antranet Forbes our director of economic development Bobby how our planning manager um and Lieutenant Garcia Daniel Garcia field services and city of Apo for the city of Apakka police and a non-voted member was myself. So I want to thank the committee for the their time and diligence you know through this effort but um we do have a tight time in line associated with this and I have provided to you the critical event schedule in order to make this ballot. So at this time I want to introduce the team. Erica Maxwell who's going to be the project manager with Blue Star. Jordan Hester the senior planner and the principal planner is Max for hopefully I said.

Good afternoon commissioners. Good afternoon mayor. It's a pleasure to be here today. Thank you for taking the time. My name is Eric Maxwell. I'm the project lead on this a little louder. Is that better? Okay. Thank you. Little tad nervous. Um so I'm here to speak to you today about our proposal to uh provide the PAKA annexation feasibility study uh to incorporate South Aka into the city of Apakka today. So um we have a very brief presentation. I just want to be able to walk you through our project team, our background, some proposed case studies, how we anticipate to address um the annexation of South Aka into the city. Um as well as our deliverables, the timeline that's anticipated from the submissions of our feasibility all the way up to vote. Um so we'll go ahead and get started. So our primary project staff consists of um six key individuals here. We have Orin Moskovitz who unfortunately was not able to make it today. Um but he is our project director and CEO of Blueestar. Um as you've already met me, Eric Maxwell, the project manager and director of the um annexation uh for South Puff and the feasibility study. We have Ton Slaughter who is our senior planner, Max Forgy, who's here with us today as a principal planner, Jordan Hester, who's our senior planner, and uh Justin Tan who is our financial lead. We have a several different case studies we just like to present to you uh to showcase how we work and some of the other projects that we have worked on such as Cape Coral being a planner of record, the West Villages, the senior planning advisor, Kenny uh being a lead author on the annexation area and and suitability and statutory compliance review for Kenn City um excuse me, West Villages. We had a dean annexation boundary audit and functional services analysis that we provided. And then with

Cape Coral, we provided a comprehensive plan um regarding annexation readiness and urban service modeling uh for the city of Cape Coral. additional experience um comes from several other case studies including um a a TOD project in uh in Coral uh excuse me Coconut Grove in Miami, Florida uh called Grove Central um where the team utilized traffic studies um studied the the property the demographic data to understand and better inform the decision regarding this TOD development in um a rather dense area of Miami. Additionally, we have another uh case study in Miami Beach um regarding uh property purchase and expansion and evaluation um uh looking at economic performances and uh blending uh relative geographic um study to provide u an analysis in in in this particular area of Miami Beach. Some of our uh core strengths include annexation feasibility, [snorts] fiscal analysis, GIS mapping, legal compliance, service planning, land use, infrastructure modeling, public engagement and policy development. So the project background and the purpose is to evaluate the legal, fiscal, and operational feasibility of annexing South Aka into the city's boundaries in compliance with the Florida statutes regarding annexation. And our goal here today is to provide a transparent and datadriven foundation for the city of Apopka's council as well as a community to um prepare for a decision to be made on the vote uh taking place in March of 2026. So our scope of work here and uh in the next month is to evaluate the annexation elig eligibility and statutory criteria. Analyze city capacity to extend the services to South Aka.

conduct fiscal and financial analysis in regards to extending these services and incorporating um South Aka into the city of Apakka as well as preparing map certifications and a final prop report for both council and for the community. So we have a six-phase approach that we have put together um uh ahead of this proposal uh in anticipation of executing on this project immediately. So the first phase is a project initiation and data collection where we intend to verify and scope gather our baseline um data source and kick off the project. Next we will move into our mapping and legal legal certifications making sure that we are in compliance and and verifying our boundaries and making and making sure that we are meeting the statutory um criteria for the annexation of South APK. The third phase is um municipal service extension plans. So we'll be outlining service delivery and infrastructure in expansion. The fourth phase is financial and fiscal impacts um into extending these services. So we'll be looking at it uh we'll excuse me evaluating costs, revenues, and funding feasibility. Then we'll be drafting our report um and working with y'all and uh in the city to compile our findings and review with you all to uh determine whether or not we want to move forward uh with a referendum. And finally, we'll uh submit a final report um and present to you to you all um to decide whether or not we want to move forward and ideally make a conclusion. So we have several deliverables that we um plan to present to you. We have a comprehensive annexation feasibility study uh that we will find hope we hope to be compliant with the uh Florida statute. Uh certified boundary and

service area maps for the current and proposed areas. GIS data sets and uh shape files for annexations, utilities and service infrastructure. Municipal service extension plan detailing how and when services would be provided. Fiscal impact and financing analysis for revenues, expenditures, and capital costs. Annexation eligibility certification, verifying continuigity, continuity, excuse me, compactness and urban character, executive summary and presentation materials for city council and public meetings. Public facing versions of the study for community transparency and as well as posting online on the city's website. final submission package in both a digital and printed form delivered to the city and to Orange County. Lastly, here is our timeline for after we submit our our study to you all um and what we anticipate it looks like moving forward to the ballot. So, our anticipated delivery for this feasibility study is December 2nd of 2025. [snorts] On December 3, we hope to present our findings to you after giving you all 24 hours to review the report. Next, it will be taken to public notice in mid December where the city should be mailing out notices to property owners and residents of South Aka by late December. We have public hearings um that will be published, council hearings and ordinance adoption starting in dece in January uh around January 7th of 2026 um with the first public hearing on the annexation ordinance. January 21st of 2026, we'll have a second hearing potential of and potential ordinance adoption. And then moving into February, um the uh early February ballot coordination with Orange County Supervisor of Elections and by

March 10th, annexation referendum where residents can vote on the South Apaka annexation. So we are very committed to supporting the city of Apakka through our comprehensive feasibility analysis and would welcome any questions that you all have for me and the team. Okay. Commissioner Smith, I know this is dear and near to your heart. Do you want to start? Uh yes. My my first question is I noticed the deadline you had to submit to the [snorts] supervisor election to be on the March ballot and I thought I heard the attorney say earlier that we had to have it in by January in order to be placed on the ballot. Uh I thought it was January 6th that he had said earlier. Yes, he did mention January 6 when we prepared the scope of work. Um the attorney that we worked with at that time, she gave us the date of December, but she did say she had to verify that date. So that gives us a little bit more time. So I was happy to hear that January 6 myself. Okay. But go back to that time schedule again. Okay. When we prepare No, no, no. On the on the slide. Yes. Yes, sir. Okay. All right. So So here it says February. No, I was talking about the December 2nd for the final completion and presentation of the study. All right. But but are we going to be able to meet the deadline to get it to supervis the election? Cuz here it says February to March for ballot coordination with the county supervised election. The are you asking about the study itself for the election in order for it to be on the ballot? Yes, it's a one of the statue. You remember I went through the statute of requirements. This annexation study is the thing we have to do next before we can do do anything else. No, but my question is about the deadline. When does it have to be for the supervisor election? Okay. The information we got and I think

it was actually a part of the uh information we got for our charter stuff is the last day is January 5th, 2026. Am I right? So that's that would be when it was. All right. So that's my question because this is February. I apologize for the uh for the inaccurate date. So it should be January 26. Yes. Okay. All right. So, I just want it. Thank you, Commissioner Smith. Thank you. Just want to make sure we make that. And can we get a copy of this presentation that you've given us today? Absolutely. We have submitted it to Blanch. So, there is a digital copy that has been submitted to the city. All right. And I just wanted to say thank you for your uh willingness to take on this project and we look forward to it. Great. Thank you. We look forward to working with you as well. Are there any other questions? Yeah, I just want to drill down on those dates a little bit more because wouldn't the both first and second readings of the ordinances need to be finished prior to January 5th? The what has to yes is the answer because you couldn't get it to the supervisor elections in ballot form before that date. So So I need should this all be what everybody wants. We would need this annexation feasibility study. It's stating on this timeline by December 3rd. That same meeting, I would need the first reading of this ordinance. I would need December whatever the second meeting in December is, unless you call a special meeting. That's correct. And um there there needs to be decisions made because one of the decisions that is still outstanding is whether you want a dual election or just the single. The single meaning that in South Aka itself is all that's legally required. But you have the option of having it needed to be approved by both the voters in Apakka and South Aka. That has not been decided yet. But that's a decision that's in front of you. Does that need to be a part of the feasibility study? No. Okay.

So this timeline has got to be microwaved quite a bit if this is March. Yes. Okay. So are you able to do that? We believe that we will be we can produce a feasibility study within a month turnaround timeline. Yes, we do. So long as the expectations that we have set forth are met regarding data collection, um being able to work with Orange County as well as the city of Apakka to gather our data and also as so long as there are no other additional needs outside of the current um current expectations, we believe we can turn this around in the time that's requested. Yes. All right. So if we approve this today, then that mean you can start work tomorrow. Probably tonight. [laughter] All right. Um and then uh to our attorney, you mentioned about a dual election is not required. Only the residents has been affected are required to vote. That's correct. Legally and I think at one meeting it was said that the council could vote because we actually represent the city. Is that acceptable? When you say a vote like in the election for South Aka? No. and and and to accept the annexation. Yeah. Let let me explain what that the reason it's optional. It didn't used to be. The reason it's optional is it's a recognition of if you could annex any other property, right? If if somebody brought you as an application, you wouldn't go to the voters. It would be your decision. You've made that decision regarding SIP's Tavern. I think is going to come up here for a second reading here today. So that's normal. And so because of that, the legislature changed the rules and said, "You know what? It makes no sense. If the people in the annexation areas, South Top in this case, have voted that they're willing to be included, then your power shouldn't be taken away to say, "Okay, that's good for us." However, they've left it as an

option. If you say, you know, we we want to hear from the voters that are in Apopka as well as to whether they think this is a good idea. You have the option of calling or having a dual referendum. Okay. We we have to have both, but we can either do it together or No, no, no. You don't have to have both. You could you only have to have the one in south of Papka, but if you want to have one that's in both the city and the area to be annexed, you can. That's optional. And and that option if if the city of Apopka residents say no, then it doesn't go through because you've chosen that option. Okay. [clears throat] here and and you so we're saying in December if we go to the timeline that's provided here notices and all of those things as well and publishing of these hearings again that that would have to happen within the next couple weeks then as well correct yeah I'm looking at we had been asked to prepare and did prepare a proposed timeline of data of deadlines and it does still end up with March 10th being the date however there are some dates that come after because at the time we didn't have the the the stuff from the supervisor's elections. There are things that come after January 5th, 2026 that I don't know whether they can be adjusted or not. And I'll give you an example. Uh based on this uh calendar, if you will, proposed calendar, there's a second publication notice, a public hearing on annexation ordinance for January by January 15th. Um there's a dated second public hearing January 21, 2026. uh and no later than February 27, 2026 and so forth. And so all if if those deadlines that are in this proposed schedule can still be met and get the stuff to the supervisor elections that it needs to go forward, then we're good. I just don't I'm not sure about that. I do know we do now

have their deadline and it's January 5th, 2026 for the March election. I think we're putting a extremely aggressive timeline on this. I I am perfectly happy with, you know, having the vote for South APK annexation, but I I don't know why we can't just wait. I mean, with the commitment from the the city council that we put this on the August primary for the county and then for city residents in the November election, would that be I don't know that they have to be at the same time. So, they think that's a possible option. The first decision is whether you want to have the both the dual referendum. I I I think we need to have both in and and the the reason I say that is because it's it's a it's it's um there will be costs associated from the the the city resident side will will pay. I mean I don't know what whatever the the number as they work through those numbers that it will be a cost to city residents to annex South Paka. So I think that that we ought to have first of all find out if if the the county residents want to be annexed and then a second so if you did in August November you could do August and if if it failed then you would need the November and if it passed then you would you would bring it forward in November that I think that's accurate. Now, let me also say this. We do not know yet what will be the outcome of the charter amendments that are on March, but if they pass, that would mean instead of it being a special election November, you'd be on the regular calendar, so you wouldn't have to pay the extra money. Correct. That that was my whole my whole thought. Both both the primary and the and the general. So, we could do the August primary would be um wouldn't cost us anything, nor would the the November general, but beyond what your normal election costs are. I mean, I think, you know, I know we

we've we have we have talked about it, you know, for a couple of years now and and but I don't man, we this is just such an aggressive timeline. I I just would feel more comfortable. I mean, I think we if we want to, you know, the commitment from the board that we're going to do it in August and do it in November or whatever, I'm I'm I'm comfortable. But I just the last thing we want to do is is give expectation that that we'll be on the ballot and and we you know, we we we I have a I'm sorry. So, I just have a question. So, I was speaking to different residents. I have some that doesn't want it and some that does do. And I guess my concern is I don't I don't have the the data to even support even a vote on if I would even approve this because it's so split with the residents. So is there any I know I was on the council when there was these different workshops. So in regards to the data to the numbers do how many residents that want to be annexed in and how many are saying they do not. I think that's important because I only only know two people that said they want in South APA I spoke to that want to be annexed in every I spoke to 20 who doesn't. So I'm I'm trying to figure out like do we have data before we move forward with $87,000 study with a potential that we can believe they can get the deadlines um completed. I just what where's the data to support even the study? The only thing I can tell you is along with this analysis we were requested to do a survey. Yes. As well and that to go numbers with the survey and we haven't done it so yet. That's something that was supposed to I think that should have been done first before we even got to $87,000. I just but this council decided to do both at the same time and that's something that we and but doesn't the survey support going to move forward with they should but I was at the direction of the council they wanted to do both at the same time. So, we're still and that is correct that we agreed we was going to do both at the same time

and there are an overwhelming number of residents that's in an unincorporated Apakka that wants to be annexed into the city and they're constantly asking when is this going to take place and they say that we keep kicking the can down the road and because we continue to do that they get the idea that we don't want them And that is the message that we're sending. Not that they don't want to be a part of us. That they're getting the the the concept that we don't want them because we keep postponing, postponing, postponing. And we've been talking about it for eight years now. We're I just adapt and I understand that and I 100% support that. But once again, you know, some people probably say they talked to 100 people. We Somebody talked to 20 people. Where's the data? Where's the survey to show these numbers? because I can't support spending $87,000 moving forward when I don't know if it's even I just need the numbers for me. Maybe someone can ask but I just need the numbers. Can I ask a question? Because I I actually did by what I did was all the days in between all these deadlines. And so the most important one is is part of your feasibility going to be going to the actual residents in South Waka, knocking on their door, asking them if they want to be uh annexed in. [clears throat] I mean, how are you going to get that that data? Absolutely. So, there's multiple forms. I am going to let um some of our uh other team members speak to speak to that, but there are other alternatives. Um, if we were to do door-to-door canvasing um to speak to residents uh individually, we would request additional time to run the feasibility study as we do anticipate it would take somewhere in a leadup between 30 and 60 days to run the canvasing and then

perhaps another 15 days to run the analysis and the numbers. Right? Because when I I looked at all the dates in between and other than today is November 5th and then by December 2nd, you only have 27 calendar days of which 16 days are sort of work days I'm going to say. So you know how how are you going to get any data? There isn't enough time in between even for number five when it says submit copy of feasibility study to the Orange County Board of Commissioners says by December 3rd and then the next one is the regular council meeting select the firm December 3rd. So on the same day you're you're going to the county and to the city. I don't quite understand that timeline there. It says, "Present the feasibility study to the city council." So, you're submitting it to the Orange County on the same day. Are you expecting some feedback from the county or or a vote from the county? I I don't Five and six kind of confused me because it's the same date. Understood. Maxorgy um uh uh principal planner. Yes. Senior planner and planner of record on right. Um first of all uh commissioners uh Anderson and Velasquez are asking about data and analysis. That that does take a while. It would be it would be we could um give you a much more complete uh uh report and more defensible report if we had a little bit more time. I mean that

this is a very tight deadline. We it appears to be that we we we we can do it but we can do it better with a little more time. Right? Because then number seven [clears throat] says mail written notice to each person who resides or owns property within the area proposed to be annexed. And from December 3rd to December 18th, you've got 15 calendar days, which excludes two Saturdays, two Sundays, and you're really close to the holidays. Yes, ma'am. Is what concerns me because I mean, human nature, the holidays are here. This is not a priority. I mean, people are just trying to get through the holidays. And I thought this was the most important one because you want the residents to be to give you a feedback. Um you have to the their families if they have children that out of school. So they're not really going to give their attention to this and that's my concern. Yes, this is I went down the whole list and I'm thinking are we going to get a true number? Are we going to get a participation? My understanding that in in in south of Papco right now, what is it? 1,500 homes in that area. Am I correct in saying that? 3,000. Oh, 3,000. So, you're only going to give them like 15 calendar days to really respond to a a survey. Is that what we're saying? Commissioner Commissioner, [clears throat] this study is required to even take the next step to go to referendum. And what it really is is it can be a tool for the residents in that area and the residents of the city to see what the impacts are,

see what the opportunity is, and then make a decision on whether or not they'd like to go forward. So, let me kind of boil down, I think, what Commissioner Anderson and maybe Velasquez are talking about. So, first of all, I think the timeline is too aggressive. I just don't see any way in the world we can make March and do it do it properly. So let's let's so let's push the date off to August. Let's say as a part of your the contract the feasibility is a is the front end of that. Could we? So, let's say we we um we go ahead and and sign the we we agree to to the contract today, but we go through the first part of that, which is the the the survey, and the survey comes back overwhelmingly against it. Are we now committed to your So, let's say that's $20,000 of the contract. Is there a way that we can pay the 20 the first 20,000 for the work that you've what you've done and then say okay guys it sorry but it didn't work out south the public doesn't want to be annexed in so we don't want to pay the rest of the and plus by giving us until August gives us a lot more time to I mean the survey shouldn't take that long but but as commissioner Velasquez is talking about holidays are not good time optimal right is that and I So maybe is even a a blanch question. And let me ask this before you actually answer that question. Another thing was she wasn't sure if they were going to do door to door canvasing. It was very broad. So she wasn't really sure when you asked the question if whether or not we were going to be doing doortodoor canvasing or not. Like he wasn't really sure. So that's well under the current timeline there is no time to do doortodoor canvasing to do to run our feasibility study that was prepared in $87,000 included or did not include doortodoor It does. It does not include the door to door. It could be additional cost associated with that. Likely there would be an additional cost

for that because we would need to hire an outside firm. Yes. So yeah. So I don't feel comfortable moving forward with even this contract if we haven't outlined what exactly it is that we're looking to do or accomplish here. So Blanch could can is a part of the contract. Can we add I don't know if it was solicited in that manner. We have to look at the scope, you know, how it was solicited. I mean, the the good thing about it that we did only have one response, you know, to this particular effort, but and I will say, I must say, if we're talking about changing the timeline, some of the companies did not respond because of the aggressive timeline and maybe we can get more competitive. So, I know Commissioner Smith, I mean, this is one of his top priorities and and I I I want to respect that, you know, his his wishes, but I just don't think that it's it's fair to the public or fair to to us that to have to try to push this thing through by March. But I I but I I I'm with Commissioner Anderson. I think we need to get the survey. Let's find out. I mean, Commissioner Smith said there's a lot of people that are for it. I've and I I've heard maybe the opposite or or anyway, I'd like to know. I mean, if it's if it's overwhelmingly against it or overwhelming overwhelmingly for it, then let's let's move on. And if it's not, I mean, if it's if it's 50/50, then maybe, you know, at that point, we we you know, we go to the next step. How long would it take for the survey? How we initiate anything with the survey at all? that question again please. The survey the survey that we had discussed uh it it the survey will how is it like a month I think it's a month it would be nice to have another month or two and no I was talking I'm sorry that was in

that was directed at and cliff to the to the survey is it the The goes back to the is the property owner or the resident that is uh what you would do is you would try to find the uh registered voters uh who are going to be voting in the annexation area. And that is because there's a there's a formula based on how much of the area is property owners versus residents who aren't property owners and so forth, right? And if you trip the that thing, then it has to be property owners only. But if you don't and I I want to I want to in my mind it's like 70%. I think 70% that's the number I remember. Yeah. And so um that's the issue. So I think in this case we had looked at that and it would be registered voters in the area to be annexed. But I'm I I can verify that for you. But that's my as I'm sitting here that's what I think the rules are. And in terms of property owners it's residents. Yes. Who will be voting on whether the property therein okay gets annexed. Now, that's only based on percentages. So, if the numbers that we're assuming are wrong, then it goes to property owners. Okay. So, to to answer your question, um I would say 30 to 45 days. If we get what we want in the survey and I think that was one of the challenges before because we don't have what questions do you want to have, you know, included. Are you doing that in-house preparing that? We were that was the original plan. So, we're going to work with attorney Shepard in order to establish that. Again, make the make sure we have the appropriate questions on the service. The the first the the the irony of of what's being asked, and I understand why it's being asked, is that the annexation vote is what's supposed to tell you whether they want in or not. Uh that's what you have the referendum for. But again, there's nothing that precludes getting sort of a preliminary survey. And it can be done by this company or a subcontract this company.

can also be done by simply sending a flyer to the people who are registered property owners and voters in the area and say hey we're considering annexing you uh this do you would you support annexation yes or no I think that's what you put in there though and this is the thing you have to be careful of and the same would be whoever is doing a survey no city local government any kind can quote unquote for any issue or person and this would be a valid issue so you could not say these are all the advantages of why you should say yes or these are all the disadvantages and why you should say no. You can just say would you like to be annexed and it would be up to them to try to get their own information and part of that comes from the study that these folks would be doing as a part of the whole annexation process. So you you essentially this this survey would be no better or worse than a straw pole. Do you favor annexation generally yes or no? And that would give you some idea, but obviously the it's the final referendum vote that is the one that matters. I mean, we've had several workshops. I have all the workshops. What was that? And it was, you know, and and and I did say this, the concern was and I was going to the priority or the concern for most of the residents and we had quite a few residents who did show up from South Popa was the cost. What was the impact of the cost for them to be annexed? That that's an interesting question because it depends on so many things. For example, um I don't know how many of these affected uh owners and or residents, potential residents would be required to, for example, tap into our sewer if it was available that they don't have to do right now, but usually that's a mandatory thing in most cities and there's a charge associated with that. So that's an example of an impact.

If they are already hooked into it and already paying essentially city rates, then that's not going to impact them. They might get a lower rate for being within the city, but the information that we can provide would have to be simply factual and not pushing one way or the other. And that's whether it's us or someone on our behalf, i.e. the company we're talking to now or somebody else. And so and that's about the we can't essentially electioneer for any issue or candidate. So that's kind of the way that goes. But when you say what are the costs you'd have to know for each individual, okay, what are your are you already on city water? Well, that's not going to cost you any additional you may save money. Are you already on city sewer? If yes, then you may save money or at least the things that would stay the same. But if you're on a if you're a vacant property owner and you're looking to come into the city, well, are are impact fees higher or lower than the count? I don't know. So, it's an individual thing. And that's why probably the except for people doing their own individual research, this would be nothing more than a straw pull because every answer I could give you would depend exactly on okay, but what are your circumstances? And I remember at the workshops that what they really en enjoyed about the city services was the fire police response from p fire police two day pickup and recyclables. That was something that kind of lacked in Orange County um because they felt the response from Orange County for their needs at the moment the wait time was too long. um and all and they felt because they're right here in our backyard that it was easier to to have our services and this is the kind of thing that's my that's what I remember with all the workshops the feasibility study should at minimum conducted allow you to extrapolate

whether response times would be quicker the same or slower but it's an extrapolation because until you do it you're just guessing and and attorney It's it's my understanding that if they have a functioning septic tank that they're not mandated to connect to sewer. I I don't know what the ordinance is here. it. That may certainly be the situation where they are currently in the county, but most cities, and I'm not sure because I I'll look that up for you and find out here, but in most cities, there's a requirement that if sewer or wastewater or other hookups are within a certain footage of the property, there's a mandatory hookup requirement because generally speaking, septic tanks are not favored. But that may not be your ordinance. I just don't know. All right. So, so can you find that for us? Yeah, absolutely. All right. And and then my other concern is we're we're talking about doing a survey and asking do you want to be a part of the city? Do you not want to be a part of the city? And when you don't have any information as to what you're saying cost, then that's why we need the feasibility study because that's what they're going to be able to tell us is what that cost is. that that provides some of the information, but again, different property owners will have different information from that same study. Like as I mentioned, are you already on city water? Are you already on city sewer or are you not? Uh do you have vacant property or are you occupied property? And do you have a plan to build? What are the impact fees for the county for what you're trying to build versus what they would be in the city? And so each of these things which will be covered in the study, but they won't be to a specific property. We will literally have to look at the study and then extrapolate based on where category you fall in how you will be financially affected from a party from a a standpoint of taking a survey before the phys feasibility study. That information

is not available to you yet unless you just kind of do your own research. So we've discussed a lot up here. I think there's some residents that wanted to came for comments. So I'd love to hear from them right now if possible just that will help kind of I have some cards Franc she called. Oh yeah. Good afternoon. Mayor Nelson and constituents of the council. I am Francina Boyin, address 1484 Ellington Drive, Aopka, Florida. I oppose annexation of unincorporated Apakka into the city limits. And I feel it is ludicrous that we should spend $88,000 to study a neighborhood that the Apaka created back in 1937. when an ordinance went out saying an ordinance to segregate the places of residents and business of white and negro persons and prescribing a boundary line separating the places of residents or business of the two said races and making a breach of such ordinance disorderly conduct and providing a penalty for violation of such. The city of Apaka created this an this segregated community almost 80ome years ago. I live in what has been dubbed as South

Aka and I'm content with my community as it is. I didn't realize how much fuss until I sat here today that was being made over my community, which people most time make fun of our little shaky houses and rundown uh buildings. You know, the black man didn't come to Apaka begging. He was segregated from this community in 1937, forced to the south of Apakka. People like LT Hunt, Ralph Comi, Amos Starbirds, who was real estate mogul gave black people an opportunity to buy property and land buy land and build homes in this community. You know, to me, for all this fuss being made over annexing my home area where I was born 75 years ago, I totally oppose. Now, if you all want to use this annexation study from 1984 when this went on the referendum back in the day, it wasn't just what the little carved out section of South Aka. It was an un the entire unincorporated Apakka. Mayor Lan, the committees from the south and the committees from I mean the South Aka and the committees from incorporated Apakka met months. This was June 1984. It was going to appear on the referendum in November of that year. You know, this project is like is as crooked as a barrel of fish hooks.

Albert McKimmy 3603 Golden Gem Road Apopka. This fiasco that we see today is simply because of lack of the city's due diligence. This isn't something new. This is something that has been delayed time and time again. Is it because of political experiency? Firstly, if we decide to take this annexation forward just now, is it a concern to the people of South of South Aopka who sits in the mayor's chair? Would their vote be different if it was a different person in the chair? I don't know. But what we're trying to do today is fit a size 12 boot in Cinderella's size three shoe. We don't have time to do this just now. This should be delayed for some time till after the election but we definitely need to do it. But in terms of going forward and going doortodoor firstly we are in a multicultural society. There are people going to answer the door at 4:00 or 10:00 in the morning. We can't go to doors and knock. We don't know what language they're going to speak. We don't know if they're even going to answer the door because of the fear of ICE. So if we're going to have a dual referendum, we can't only pull the people in South Apopka. If we're going to go and pull people, we need to do it in both Apopka and South Aopka. Doortodoor isn't satisfactory way to do that. We got to look at another way to do that. And possibly we can use the city's website to do that. And unfortunately, because of the apathy in the city, we're not likely to get much of a result. But we need to find some way of doing this without even being doortodoor. Uh, I think there's so many things that we need to do here to make this representative. I hate to see segregation through political divide.

It's repulsive to me. We are one community. The people in South Aka pay and spend money in our shops. They deserve better than what we're doing for them today. We have no business the way we've treated this. It's been treated the same way in my opinion as as the city charter. We've pushed it back, pushed it back, pushed it back until we get to the point where timeline restricts what we can do. We need to to look at this and say seriously, yes, we want to go ahead with it, but we want to go ahead in a manner that doesn't waste the money that we're spending. We want to go forward in a manner that will benefit South Aka as well as give the the residents in the city the opportunity to voice their opinion. Marilyn Barnes Good afternoon, uh, Mayor Nelson and the commission. Can you drop the mic down just I'm sorry. Can you hear me now? There you go. Okay. Thank you. Good afternoon again, Mayor Nelson and the commissioners here. This is like my second time here to speak. I'm also a product of South

Apakka. I want to say the southern end of Apakka. Apakka is home and my family has owned land land in that area since early 1945. And I'm proud to be back home in a part of that the southern end of Apakka. I don't like using the term south Apakka because I you never hear anything about the east side of Apakka or the west and right now I'm definitely not a component of annexation. There's an abundant of vacant land as I speak to you today in South Aka, southern end of Apakka. You have to excuse me. I'm a little emotional right now. and I've done my own study and I have a group of people who we can also do a study. I've been I was also a product of real estate growing up. Okay. 15 years in the state of New Jersey. I've been to several of the uh council meetings and what I have observed lately it's mindboggling. South Aka, southern end of Apakka. There's no the economy doesn't call for what what's going on there. As I speak, we have houses in there. I'll give you one example. $350,000. Okay. For a home that was recently sold there and it's uh the lot size was like six 6,500 square ft. The house itself, it was like um 1,652 square feet. You heard the price I gave you, right? $3,500. I don't know anyone

in my generation or that lives in South Park can afford these houses. I came down here before earlier in the year uh for affordable housing. So, I'm not going to come to the city of Apakka to ask where the affordable housing. I think you have that uh plan as Miss Moore is here. Commissioner Moore is here today, right? The CRA and I think that's what we were talking about affordable housing. If we have like 88,000 or whatever to do a survey a group of us had we have done our own survey as far as the land use as far as the numbers concerned the boundaries I really don't even understand the boundaries here in theka let alone trying to uh bring us together or you trying to tear us apart so I suggest that is this about the people of of of of Southern End of Apopka or Popka in general or it's about a vote. What is it really about when you think about it? And not only that, we just do not have the economy for what's going on as I as I speak to you this afternoon. Not in Apaka. I just wish that would just go away because the survey that I've seen on the boundaries or what have you is something that the people can really do themselves. So I thank you guys for listening to me and I know my time is up and thank you. Thank you. Good afternoon, mayor, commissioners. I know this is a very emotional issue. It is for me as well because I've enjoyed

working with the people for years. I will tell you one of the first things uh I came on to in about 2019 was there was a disagreement over those south of Apopka signs and um they were all falling apart and half the people wanted to call it south of Apakka and the other half didn't want to call it south aka so I just took them down and we still haven't come back in the entire seven years to figure out you know what was the preferred nomenclature of that area. Um, I would agree with you. We have had a lot of problems with trash, Mr. Alaska's because the contract with the county. We don't have claw trucks and we've had some challenges with proper recycling. We've had challenges with residents bundling, tying them up, putting them in cans. And so, there's been quite a bit of extra attention that I've had to give to go back down periodically and clean up. So, I I could imagine that they would enjoy your type of of garbage service. But the one thing that you didn't mention that worries me greatly and I wanted to bring some context to that of what has been spent was uh transportation costs and infrastructure costs. And so I wanted just to go over a few things that we've been able to do in the last few years and and share with you some of those costs because I think you have to consider that if you annex all of South Apaka then you're going to be taking over those roads, the maintenance of those roads and all those costs. And that hasn't been said today. And so, uh, street lights, a lot of these things take years and years of advocacy, but I was able to get street lights down, uh, Sheila Road to two, $220,000. You have, uh, lights coming to Bignyan Road. That'll be over $400,000. It was in 2019 that Apakka Boulevard got lights, and I will tell you, those monthly costs are extremely high. um resurfacing of roads is $250,000 a lane mile. And so all of those neighborhoods, all of those main streets would be

important for you to make sure that you can budget those. Uh sidewalks, uh there were many, many sidewalks that we've added since I've been there. 13th Street is probably the most notable, but we're not done. And so you would certainly have 17th Street, 15th Street, and another portion of 18th Street in Highland to have to do uh roundabouts, crosswalks. I'm still straightening out things at Sheieler. Um it's taken me six months to get right of way to be able to put a crosswalk and a sidewalk at Apopka Boulevard in Sheieler. So you would have to consider some of those costs as well. um with the corridor of the year that we just finished. Um I was very involved with having street sweeping, lighting repairs, tree trimming, sidewalk repair. We spent over $300,000 just recently on Clare Kona Road to upgrade the sidewalks and put all the ADA in. Now, if you annex it, at least that's been done for you. So, I just want you to consider that side of the equation. But I would tell you as the county commissioner, Mayor Demingsson, I have loved having the people in this community and I know you would as well. And so I'm not going to make a a a statement as to what you should do, but I know it's a tough decision. And Commissioner Smith, I know your heart's in the right place. You want to do it, but this it's a challenging situation for everyone. And so I have a question for you, Commissioner Smith. Uh Commission uh sorry, uh Moore. So in regards to the cost, you said about the costs. So, there are a lot of current repairs that are needed currently in that area now is what you referenced. Well, there's still sidewalks to be put in. There's still things. Do you have a cost of what's needed right now in the area? Do I have what the cost? What's needed in that area that hasn't been done? I could get it for you. I I know I just added um 18th Street into a list and so I'd have to get that for you. So, I think that would help us with know what's lacking in that area that what hasn't been done yet. Well, I will tell you most of the street lights are in.

They're all LED and u back in 2019 there was a complete study done of all of the needs with sidewalks and most of that uh has been completed. So So it has been completed. So just the maintenance cost that you're referencing, right? But you've got to resurface these roads every 12, you know, 12 years. And of course, I would tell you the county is struggling with those expenses as well. So, I just hope that if you choose to go the study route, you really look deeply into those infrastructure costs. But I will tell you, I mean, as the county commissioner, we were happy to help. We were happy to do whatever we could do to make the community better. Thank you. Anybody else? Susan. Oh, come on. Rod Olson 3156 or only lane. Uh I again not involved with city government but my experience in business there's only a handful of times when you only get one bid and I just did a quick Google search and it came up with seven companies in the area that do this type of work. uh which usually has something to do with a notice b having to do with the time frame or parameters that were set with regard to trying to meet those needs and depending upon the company how busy the company is and just doing it also part of it's a matter of reputation experience speaking again that the reputation being they're not all that cooperative they kind of want us to do it to kind of put it away it's not cooperative or the other end of it is they're not good at making payment on a timely basis and those are the reasons typically go. I think there's a number of ways it could be cut. The one meeting that I did attend for a couple years ago, I guess it was now, was all presentation. The whole presentation was why not to that's all that was just a numbers game. There's more than just

numbers. Numbers cut both ways. It needs to be balanced. This is an example of you talk about making use of students whether it's high school or college. This is a challenge. Something can be done. Put together a survey. Yes, it can be done house to house whether it conducted by college or high school students or other volunteers to go out. So have a neutral presentation. This is it. This is it. This is how we came up. These are what the numbers are and let them make the call. Are you for it or not? It's nothing is easy, but it's easier than we're making it. And and I just want to say that, you know, yes, there was ordinance put in place back in 1936 and here we are in 2025 and we're still segregated and it's time for us to become one city and and and and we just keep and I understand the timeline. I have no problem moving waiting until August to put on the ballot, but I think we need to get a process in place. Uh Commissioner Moore mentioned about the streets and the sidewalks that they put in. So, it took 80 years to get a sidewalk on 13th Street. So, I I I think that when the original study was done back in 1984 that the county did a good job of convincing the individuals that incorporated Paka, they didn't want to be a part of the city. And so that was why the results came out the way they did. But I think now people are educating. We need to continue to educate them of the benefits of being a part of their city. Many times individuals in unincorporated come to city hall with concerns and our response to them is we can't help you. You're not a part of the city. You live in the county. The government that's closest to you can do you the most good.

They're not able to vote for city commissioners or for mayors, but they have a popka address. And so it it's the right thing to do to give them an opportunity, those that want to be a part of this city, to be a part of the city. And and I think if you give them the right information, that they will understand and appreciate the benefits of being a part of the city of Apaka. It's time for us to become one city and cut out the divisiveness and using the fact that you live in unincorporated apopa so therefore we can't do anything for you. Um so that's my spirit and if I can jump into and commissioner Smith thank you for echoing that. I think this was something you have championed for I think the entire time you've been elected. uh pretty consistent on on that and and the timeline I think is is obviously it's it it's presented in a way that makes it not feasible at this time but I I feel that was politically driven and and I'm sorry for that. Um additionally too I want to speak about what some of the residents had said and what what I'm hearing from the residents that are speaking is that that it's the fear of losing kind of the respect of their culture, respect of the historical context that created our our city. uh concerns of affordability and getting priced out of your own community. I think those are some of the huge concerns that are going on here. And so I I hear that. I don't I don't want that to I don't want you to think that we're just sitting up here not hearing that at all. And similar projects like this have been done that have been done respectfully to make sure that we're not losing historical context, to make sure that we're not pricing anyone out, to make sure that voices are still heard and heard loud. Um there was a project down it's off of Tampa Avenue down in downtown Orlando area and that was one that they the the nonprofit kind of partnered with the city to really create

a respectful way of changing the city without or that that section of the area to without uh gentrifying. Again, that's a huge thing. This isn't a land grab for the city either. uh what I've heard at other meetings that this is a land grab from the city to gentrify and and and and raise taxes and use code enforcement to take people's properties and on at least for me and I would I'm sure there's others that that that's not the goal at all. I think there wants to be there to to echo Commissioner Smith's points that you need to be able to vote locally. You're paying your bills here. I want you to be able to vote as well and have such a larger impact here locally. Uh county's much bigger. sometimes response times are are slower. It's great to have some be able to come to city hall where you're paying your bills to be able to advocate. So I I don't know how best to move forward with it. I I I hear the residents completely and it's not without I I completely respect that you don't want to lose historical context and what has been established and so worked hard to to be created and and families have passed down multigenerational properties that have been so important. So I don't take that lightly. It's how do we do this that we can become truly one community without losing historical context and the rich culture that's there as well and without pricing anybody out. It's a real delicate balance. So, um I I'm I stand with Commissioner Smith on this one to to get this done. I again I think the timeline uh was intentionally microwaved and and looked as as rough as possible to make sure that we don't move forward with it. Um, but I I don't know how we can do it properly to where both all both residents and incorporated and unincorporated can get a comfort level that the city's not trying to do a land grab. It's trying to make one community. So, I don't know how we do that. This is a very unique dynamic scenario. And and again, having grown up here myself as well, maybe not as many years as some others, but I I understand that there there was these invisible lines that were created and and that's just sad. it was sad to grow up in and and I think

understanding that context and trying to break down that var invisible barrier that that was there is key again not not forgetting what how we got here but also working together to move forward as well. So, I don't know what the best nav, you know, how do we go forward from here and how do we make sure that we're um doing what's best for all residents. That's the point at the end of the day. That's who we serve is all residents. So, um I I I don't know what's best here. Again, I think a survey I I've heard everyone's comments on that the attorney as well that it's a straw pull, so to speak. Again, that's not something set in stone. So, I understand that. I I don't know what's the best to make sure that there's a comfort level on the council level that we're not spending money that maybe we don't need to or that the residents in unincorporated just say no leave us alone. We we do not want to be um impacted by by city council in any way. Okay, got it. So, I I don't know what's best to move forward, but I do think it's absolutely something that is needed. So, I just want to say this as well. So, I think we I do not think that the timeline was politically motivated. I think that the we gave you guys a directive and you guys tried tried to meet that. We voted on something asked to bring something back and based off of that I think that's what happened. So I think for one in order for us to become one city we need to become one up here first and I think if we are are creating the narrative that it's politically motivated all the time when honestly we actually voted for you guys to bring it back to us and it need to be aggressive for that to happen. So to create the narrative that it was politically motivated. I think that's unfair to to everyone, not only us up here, but also to the residents. Um I agree with Commissioner um Smith as well. I think we need to definitely do something in regards to incorporated, but we need to see what that looks like to make sure that we're doing it correctly and not it's not rushed. So I think we all agree. Um I don't think no one's up here saying that don't incorporate. I think that we just need to make sure that we're taking our time for one, getting the best company to do the study for us to make sure that we're financially spending responsible and that we're not creating these timelines that only one company could actually bid on. So, I

think we just go back to the drawing board, make sure that we understand what it is we need in the study and we put it back out there. So, I think that's kind of that's where I'm going. I think that the survey based off of his prof professional recommendation, I think the survey probably should do a survey. I think really getting the data that they need so they can make an educated decision on what that looks like, how it benefit their household. So that's my recommendation. I think we move to for one, we put it back out there for a bit, open it up a little bit longer so that that way we get more companies, we get more competitive um rates and also um you know give the residents time to actually look at the study to see if they actually want to be a part of it as well. So that's what I move for. Right. Because when you put this out for bid, you gave a timeline. The critical event timeline and this is the reason why we only had one company, right? Because the other that was the reason why some did not respond. The other companies felt they could not some did make that comment. Yes, ma'am. Um let me let me ask you this this question. What if we just put to the you said was it 3,000 3,000 house? That's what we recall from when we did the workshops before. I'm not 100% sure on that number. Bobby, do you 3,000? No, no idea. Okay. I have to I have to go back and look at some of the numbers. Well, here's my thought is what if we just put out the survey to the 30,000 just a a mail bout I mean a mail letter with I think we can get can't we get there's like ways you can get something that can't be copied where it's it's where it's you can tell it's it's a fake. It's it's a form of a watermark. The answer is yes. If we send it out to the 3,000 people, yes or no, do you want to be annexed? So that it's 3,000. So it's probably a buck and a quarter, buck and a half. So you have to put a postcard back. Better than 30,000. I tell you that says better than 30,000.

Correct. and just do a survey to the 3,000 residents with a PO with a with a self-addressed envelope back to the city and let's see what that does at that point we if we get but but my concern with that is is the educational component like they don't really speaking with the residents they don't know if they don't know the benefit so I think with this study if we're able to get a more competitive study they can have the data to share the data with them so they can look and see what are the benefits because they really don't know. A lot of them just like I want to be and I don't want to be. They don't really have the the information available to make that decision. How would it benefit them? They we we can't tell them how it's going to benefit them. And that but my point was just spending $3,000 and if if it came back overwhelmingly, you know, no, then we that's into that if if it's if it's positive. I mean, I'm I'm you can we can go back. I so I'm I'm I'm I'm completely open to whatever whatever the council I think I'm open to give them all the information the facts on the study and then allow them to make a because you can't make an educated decision without all the information. Okay. Okay. All right. So I hear Commissioner Anderson's recommendation. Um I just need the council. Okay. So it's to go back out to RFP with a different timeline. So give them a much longer give them the timeline so that we'll have a we'll have it on the ballot to back it from the whatever the is it we'll back that's what we did with this one okay okay if I can get a All right so we got a a uh motion by commissioner Anderson to put this back out the RFP we need the study I think we definitely need the study all right so we can just put it to rest and put it out to voters let the voters decide I mean Mr. Mayor, just for clarity, can we because for the meeting minutes, can we have Commissioner Anderson give her actual motion? Sure.

So, I motioned that we put the RFP back out and what was the Hold on. Look and see what it is. The the actual That would be number RFP 2025-8-248. Number six. Number six. Number six. the last one. Okay. So, I motion that we put back out the RFP 20225-8-248 for bid. Thank you. With with a with with a new timeline that we will we will be on the ballot for the August primary election. For the August primary election. Yes. Is that good enough, Cliff? It's good enough for this motion. I still don't know whether we're doing or not doing a mail survey. We're not. No. Okay. [laughter] Okay. Okay, we've got a motion by Commissioner Anderson. [snorts] I'll second. Second by Commissioner Smith. All those in favor? I All opposed. Motion carries unanimously. Thank you. I need a two-minut break. Okay, two minute break. [laughter]

Next up, we've got ordinance number 3108. 3108. Ordinance number 3108. An ordinance of the city of Apopka, Florida, amending the future land use element of the Apopta comprehensive plan of the city of Apakka. Changing the future land use designation from county rural to residential estate for certain real property owned by PM S1 LLC HMF LLC Charles Charles P Stallings Kim L Stallings Ule E [clears throat] Stallings Junior and Crystal Denise Stallings located on the northwest corner of Vondike Road and State Road 453 State Road 429 comprising of 196.83 acres more or less providing for directions to the city clerk severability conflicts and an effective date. Any changes? Jean? No sir. All right. Anybody from the public wish to speak on this one? Albert MK 3603 Golden Gard. I'm certainly not against this proposed development or what it means, but bearing in mind a question I asked earlier on today was with respect to drainage and sewage and the fact that the city had apparently sent out a letter to say that capacity wasn't satisfactory on new developments. I'm looking today before you guys commit to allowing the second here to go forward. Do we actually know if the city are engaged with talks with Orange County? And if they are, how are those talks going? And if they're not, why are we considering more development? Rod Olsson, 3156 Rolling Hills Lane. Uh

this question here is ask me this will generate 78 more students. If you go along anywhere along Sheila, there's spotty sidewalks along the way. We need to make sure that any new development unlike Kelly Park where you have the Kelly Park school and kids are walking in the ditch to go to school to come to the new developments. I think we're on a different project. We're on I understand that Sheila This is Sheila Road. Not this one. No, sorry. This is the one on on ditch. It's in the KPI northwest. Ah, Sheila is coming up though. Had it wrong. She's coming up. So, I'm one ahead. Anyway, it's still the same thing. Any development ought to be connected to the next development. clear sidewalks and schools within two miles. Anybody else want to speak on this one? Okay. If not, we'll close the public hearing. Look for motion to adopt ordinance number 3108. Well, before we jump into that, that the question of the the sewage capacity. Are we we're good on that? Can we just speak to that? Put that to bed one way or the other. And then are we talking to uh Orange County in reference to that as well for capacity? Yes, we are talking to Orange County. Vladimir Simonoski, public works director and city engineer. Um [clears throat] we we're making good progress with that. Uh we we expect by the end of the year to have an agreement with Orange County and that will include 2 million gallons of additional day [clears throat] treatment for wastewater. And just today you approved Tetrate Tech actually to start the design on the next 5 million gallons of uh expansion at the wastewater treatment plant that we have on Cleveland. Uh so thank you for that. So if if Orange County we don't come into agreement there do we have capacity as it is right now? We do have right now capacity and I have issued letters. Uh there was I believe small misunderstanding that [clears throat] there was a period of like three weeks where we were evaluating. So I put a stop to approving any of the FDP permits just to make sure

that we have everything in line and we continued as as a matter of fact today I approved two projects. I think it was on the south and there was another one I believe Bronson reach parcel 9 with another 41 or 43 parcel. So so we do continue to approve the capacity uh to get some clarification on Mr. McKim's question earlier with the treatment of the [clears throat] west plant. Basically, the West plant is meeting the current standards of 10 milligrams per liter uh total nitrogen treatment. What's going to happen is when the permit expires and needs to be renewed in 2028, it will have to go to 3 milligrams per liter. And that's where we're looking into potentially even rehabbing that or going to Orange County. And of course, we most likely going to be under construction at the time for the next five million gallons. Okay. And that one is that the west one is up and running then and we are using that. It's not running currently but it's meeting the the current standards because the current permit is for 10 milligrams per liter for total nitrogen. [snorts] Uh why why aren't we using it? It's 10 milligrams per liter for total nitrogen treatment. Right. Why aren't we using that plant? Oh why we're not using it. We currently we have about 3.9 million coming into the plant which the 5 million that is running satisfies the need for now. Okay. I guess why would we need to go to Orange County then if we can just use that one? Because I we believe that's going to come in a time when the permit is going to overlap which is probably about two two and a half years from now. I think two and a half years should be July of 2028. So we don't know how the development is going to go. Is it going to slow down? Is it going to continue with the same pace? We just want to work ahead of time and be prepared for any possible scenarios. [snorts] Okay. Thank you.

Yeah. Thank you. [clears throat] Okay. Anybody else from the public? Not. We'll close the public hearing and look for a motion to adopt ordinance number 3108. So move. Got a motion by Commissioner Smith. Second. Second by Commissioner Neesa. All those in favor? I. All oppose. Motion carries unanimously. Next up, ordinance number 3131. 31. Second. Ordinance number 3131, an ordinance of the city of Apopka, Florida, amending the future land use element of the Apopka comprehensive plan of the city of Apopka. Changing the future land use designation from county rural to county load density at well, let me go back. changing the future land use designation from county rural and county low density to city residential low density for properties located at 1920 Sheieler Avenue owned by Marvin Wayne Reed and Susan Thomas Reed comprising 40.16 acres more or less providing for severability conflicts and an effective date any changes June anybody from public wish to speak on this Rod Olsson 3156 Ron Hills Lane sorry and road uh but both on road and this this development along Sheieler are not within two miles of schools but these developments should have connectivity between developments because kids go back and forth for their safety. Thank you. Anybody else? Not proposed public hearing. Look for a motion to adopt ordinance number 3131. So moved. Got a motion by Commissioner Anderson. Uh second. Second by Commissioner Velasquez. All

those in favor? I. All oppose. Motion carries unanimously. Next up, ordinance number 3123. Ordinance number 3123. An ordinance of the city of Apopka, Florida, changing the zoning from T transitional to RTF residential two family district for certain real properties generally located at 1920 Sheieler Avenue owned by Marvin Wayne Reed and Susan Thomas Reed comprising of 40.16 acres more or less providing for severability conflicts and an effective date. Any changes June? Anybody from the public wish to speak on this one? Not we'll close the public hearing. Look for a motion to approve ordinance number 3123. So got a motion by Commissioner Smith. Second. Second by Commissioner Anderson. All those in favor? I. All oppose. Motion carries unanimously. Next up, ordinance number 3129. Ordinance number 3129, an ordinance of the city of Apopka, Florida to extend its territorial and municipal limits to annex pursuant to Florida statute 171.044. The hereafter described land situated and being in Orange County, Florida. Owned by David Cipionone located at 5118 Plymouth Sarrento Road comprising of 41 acres more or less providing for directions to the city clerk severability conflicts and an effective date. Just two very minor changes for the record. Bobby Haw planning manager uh at the first reading it was uh requested to uh put in the annexation agreement connection to sewer. uh the applicant has done that and also at about 11:45 this morning the applicant sent myself and the city attorney an email stating they reached out to the property owner of the Wingspan development and were not able to get a response back. Uh planning staff had reached out to them as well and spoke to them and they said they would check with uh the owners but we've not received a spon response back. There is a revised portion of the annexation agreement that says the owner and the

city agree to continue exploring opportunities for potential intercrust connectivity between the property and adjacent wingspan development during the site plan process for the property. Other than that, those are the only changes. Okay. Any other questions for Bobby? So, so did they get a response that they will have some connectivity between their property and Wingspan? The applicant did not receive a response from Wingspan. Yes. But there's a provision in the agreement that is sent over here at about 11:45. It's not in your packet that says we'll continue to work to try and get that interconnectivity. Yeah. Because that was part of the first approval was that they get some connectivity with Wingspan. Yes. Yeah. That was a big request of mine just because that's the kind of spirit of what the KPI looks like. Again, it I understand the complexities that go along with that and we can't force the wingspan to to do this, but at the same time, if we can keep those conversations going, I think it's beneficial for all parties. I think it benefits there's a good synergistic value between both projects um success rates to be able to do that, make it a little walkable as well. So, I appreciate um the applicant working on that and trying to to move that forward and then committing as well to uh continue those conversations down the road as well. and he gives us another bite at the apple. So, we still got Yeah. Absolutely. Okay. Anybody from public 3603 Golden Gem Road. Perhaps somebody can give me some understanding. I obviously have a fundamental misunderstanding of what SB80 means. Uh, I would have thought that if the city and the DRC had approved this plan to come before you, the commissioners, whether it had sewer or whether it had septic isn't really a concern of the the

commission. The fact is that it passed the necessary requirements to be brought before you. So in terms of SB80 commissioners, by you deciding that you're only going to do it with sewer sewer, are you adding an an unnecessary incumbrance on the property owner? Should we not in fact today pass this irrespective of whether or not we have negotiated with the the other company? He has a fundamental right that I think we're interfering with because it was brought before you by the planning and they found the septic was suitable. Why are we trying to force somebody to do something when in fact today we already know that sewage is a concern in the city anyway? If somebody can run on se on septic, you know what? Let them run in septic. Let's get the man developed and let him get up his business instead of dragging things out. Anybody else from the public? Not look for a motion to adopt ordinance number 3129. Got a motion by Commissioner Smith. Second. Second by Commissioner Anderson. All those in favor? All opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Next up, ordinance number 3135. Ordinance number 3135. An ordinance of the city of Apakka, Florida, amending the future land use element of the Apakka comprehensive plan of the city of Apakka changing the future land use designation from county rural to city mixed use for certain real property located at 5118 Plymouth Sento Road comprising 41 acres more or less owned by David Cipleion providing for severability conflicts and an effective date. Any changes Bobby? Anybody from the public wish to speak on this one? Not.

We'll close public hearing. Look for a motion to adopt ordinance number 3135. So move. Got a motion by Commissioner Smith. Second. Second by Commissioner Anderson. All those in favor? I. All oppose. Motion carries unanimously. Next up, ordinance number 3136. Ordinance number 3136. An ordinance of the city of Apopka, Florida, changing the zoning from county A1 Citrus Rural District to city KPI MU Kelly Park Interchange mixeduse village center district for certain real property located at 5118 Plymouth Sarrento Road comprising 41 acres more or less owned by David Ciplei providing for severability conflicts and an effective date. Any changes Bobby? Anybody from the public wish to speak on this one? Not. We'll close the public hearing. Look for a motion to adopt ordinance number 3136. Got a motion by Commissioner Smith. Second. Second by Commissioner Anderson. All those in favor? I. All oppose. Motion carries unanimously. Next up, ordinance number 3121. Ordinance number 3121. An ordinance of the city of Apakka, Florida, amending the future land use element of the Apakka comprehensive plan of the city of Apopka. Changing the future land use designation from residential medium mixed juice to for property located at 155 MA board street owned by Magic Houses LLC comprising of 27 acres more or less providing for severability complex and an effective date. Is anybody from the public here to speak on this one? If not, we look to con to continue this item until the November 19th city council meeting. Oh, this is the one that they're continuing. Mhm. It was continued before, right? Isn't it? Yes. Correct. Okay. So, we're doing it till November 19th. Yes. Is that something needs to be voted on or just stated? Okay. So, so moved. So,

got a motion by Commissioner Neesa, second by Commissioner Smith. All those in favor? I. All oppose. Motion carries unanimously. Next up, Commissioner Nester, why don't you get us started on city council reports? Definitely. It's been a a good productive week. Um want to first congratulate again to our chief, Dr. Quinn Henry. Welcome. Excited for you and and congratulations to your newly appointed deputy chief Garcia. That is awesome. Very cool that you're promoting from within. I think it's just huge motivation for the department and um a lot of great things coming. So, good start to the first week for sure for you and and um good things coming. And then just a consistent reminder of uh office hours uh every Thursday here at the city of Aka city hall from 11:00 a.m. to 1:00 pm. I'm here to meet with anybody and everybody just to discuss anything that promotes the betterment of Apakka. And if you want to meet anywhere else you're not comfortable meeting at city hall, totally understand. Just reach out. I'm happy to meet you anywhere and at any time that makes the most sense for you. And that's it. Thank you, Commissioner Smith. I'd like to say congratulations also to the both of you. uh your fifth day on the job in that role. Uh we're looking forward to the next 40 years. Uh you fulfilling your role as in those position that you have been promoted to. Congratulations. Uh I would like to say that I was able to attend the installation of the [snorts] uh consulate for the Mexican consulate um on last week. uh great celebration and uh so we're glad to have a new council as a part of our community. That's all I have. Commissioner Velasquez. Okay. I had a few. Um again, congratulations to our new chief of police, uh Quinn Henry, and to um Deputy Chief Garcia, longtime uh member of the police department and a friend. So, congratulations and welld deserved.

Uh so we did that. Uh I went to the brownfield uh conferences, both of them for Dr. O and of course the one that we had over at the the Billy Dean Center. And uh what was brought up which was very interesting was that the station street project that I have been asking about for the last year and a half and they kept saying phase two phase two has been completed and a report is coming. So, I look forward to seeing the Station Street Project come before us and start moving dirt. [laughter] Um, of course, tomorrow we have, well, tomorrow I thinking we're already on Friday. Uh, Saturday, uh, just a reminder, Saturday, November 8th, we have Phil the Boot with the fire department and that's going to be at the Kitland Nelson Park from 4 to 9:00 p.m. I think that's at Fifth Street. You have the police event in the morning from 9 to 1. Oh, that's right. I'm sorry to street downtown APKA is from 4 to 9 and then uh the time for the Kitland Nelson Park is what time is that? 9 to 1. 9 to 1. Horsepower for heroes. Oh, okay. The truck pull is that? No, that's kill the boot. Oh my god, I'm totally me confused. Okay. So, it's an all day event for all of us. [laughter] We had the strategic planning for uh for us here on the 22nd. That was a a very good presentation. We en I'm hoping to get, you know, the uh uh feedback after that.

I'm not going to mention this one yet. Um, that one. That one. Okay. The question was I got I did get the email regarding the notice of default uh with Main Street and they had my understanding they had 45 days in which to respond. When I calculated that that would have been October 14th. Did we get a response from them? No. The notice of default was just sent. So it's 45 days from the time they received the letter. Oh, okay. You know what I did? I read it as September 29th. It was just October 29th. Yes. Okay. So that what would be the deadline for them to respond because 30 days from here is November 29th. Then 15 days would be like middle December 14. Okay. Is that it? That's it. Okay. Commissioner Anderson, just kind of echoing everyone's um congratulations to our new chief and also congratulations to our new deputy chief. Welcome and we're excited to have you and in that position and actually have nothing. Cool. All right, Bradley. Uh good afternoon, uh mayor, commissioners. Uh it's the first, uh meeting of the month, so I have the utility meter replacement program update uh encompassing October. Now, uh, we did see another, uh, percentage decrease from September to October. Our estimated reads are now down to 4,278. We're still making great progress there and on target to uh, hit our 12% goal by the end of 2025. We also have processed um, 1,938 work orders in the month of October. So, I just put a little update of where that

trend is looking. And our no reads have reduced a total of 1,483 uh with October reduction of 3,312. So, uh we're continuing to make great progress uh across the board. Uh again, uh a big thank you to the utility billing team and the utility operations team. uh every day they're continuing to to dive into this and uh get us back to a point where we have um uh a low number of estimated billings for can I ask just a quick question on that part component of this the so once the meters are fixed whether it's the flex net the meter or both we get a some kind of reading from there and then that's charged back an accurate reading is charged back to that resident that chargeback is that based on which rate is that based on So, I'll let Blanch come back up and talk talk to that on the detail. [clears throat] When we back bill, we try to build them at the lowest rate that is in effect. So, it's the current rate though. That would be today's rate. Yeah. The lowest rate that's in effect. Lowest current rate. Okay. Thank you. That's it. Before you leave, and these meters have been replaced in the back building is for the entire city. Is that correct? Well, it's throughout the city. Okay. All right. Yes. And and the 4,000 county residents. Oh, yeah. Everyone. Well, I mean, yeah, correct. They imply that was only Oh. to South throughout our our customer base. Yes. And one of the items we uh actually brought last council meeting was the approval of the agreement with Orange

County to utilize one of their towers to put the new base station. Uh what I asked our GIS team to do was to map the the existing stations and include the new stations being added. Uh that new station's planned for install the week of November 17th. It is the OC West Tower station right there. Um the various uh radius circles that you uh see there are two miles for the white, three miles for the uh red and four miles for the pink or magenta. Uh obviously as you go further away from a radio tower, the signal reliability can be impacted. So, the way Census our um contractor uh kind of explained it, you have your absolute best in that two-mile, you have your really good in your three mile, and you have your good in the four mile. So, obviously, the white area, the the white circles are going to be the best, most reliable reads. uh but the city uh coverage area is completely covered by the map with the exception of this section down in this portion of our service boundary uh which is not highly developed at the time. So, the plan moving forward is to get the West Tower up and running. Um, continue working on the on the field corrections and the field repairs and determine whether or not an additional tower beyond the four would really make an impact that we're looking for or if the field repairs get us to the point where we're in that 8% range reliability, 5 to 8% range reliability. Uh, we are also scheduling a demo with Census for what they call a mobile base station. Uh this is a tool that our meter reader could utilize. And right now we do have a he does have a smaller handheld system that he can drive through the neighborhoods to try and

collect reads, but the range of that is is relatively limited. Uh the mobile base station he can drive in the vehicle and collect a two-m radius uh reliably. Uh, and this will just be um something that'll allow us to instead of doing meter bymeter reads. If we have meters that do need a read that are having a communication issue maybe with the tower, we can still capture that data in a very efficient way with the meter reader running through the routes um to gather that data while we're making a repair on the communication issue. So, we're scheduling a demo. Hope to have that demo um here in December would be the goal. uh and see if that's a a tool that's uh we're ready to add to the tool belt. So that'll do a two- mile radius out from the hub wherever that vehic time. Correct. And pretty much anything within that will get the automatic updates. Correct. And it'll tell us whether they're re receiving the data or if there's a an issue where an address is not communicating and then that will so it can help us also. Is it flexet? Is it whatever it'll help us? It won't tell us exactly, but it'll say we need it'll identify as we need to go check out this this address. Understood. And create a work order. Wow. And so is it that blue dotted line, that's our service area, correct? The blue the blue line is the uh current service area for for our water utilities. So you see we we do have we do have coverage with the towers. Oh, in in addition, the lent road tower is an older tower. Uh reaching kind of end of life, we are looking to replace that tower. Uh we're working with uh Census right now to get an updated quote and get that ordered and that will also help us increase our reliability in that area with the newer technology. But just thought it'd be good to kind of show a visual of how the tower system

works and and what our kind of coverage area looks like. So again, the biggest push right now is to get the field operations, get all the field maintenance issues corrected, then assess and see if if additional coverage would be a beneficial route uh to invest in. Thank you, Bradley. Appreciate that. Okay. And oh, and then just two quick other things. Um our planning team asked me to share that the Noacats uh which is an or county planning uh uh planning function on the roadways and streets uh throughout the county. They're going to have a public meeting for a popka on January 26, 2026. Uh the planned location is a popka community center. The time is TBD, but typically these happen in the evenings. So, typically around the 5:30 to 7:30 time period. The public meeting for the Zelwood area will be Wednesday, January 28th, 2026 at the Zelwood Community Center. Uh, and same thing, the times to be determined, but as soon as those flyers are prepared and and times are confirmed, I'll share that with you. Thank you, Riley Cliff. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Williams to feel left out. So, I'm going to give him his own copy. I'm here to take up the next of 30 minutes of your time so we can get right to the CR meeting. Um, actually, what I want to do is talk to you about our friends in

Tallahassee putting requirements on us again, yet again, uh, that we have to follow. And I wanted to give you a heads up of what's coming because you might get some push back from residents who don't understand that it is a requirement, not a not not an option. Uh and that ordinance is going to come to you in the next couple of months because it has to be adopted. It's not where we get a choice or not. We have to adopt one by January 1st, 2026. This came to our attention and we notified all our cities and towns of its requirement. Many didn't weren't even aware even though their planning departments are pretty keyed in. Uh and this first one is called a certified recovery residence. Uh I encourage you guys to look at the statute. That's why I gave you the memo. It's 397.487 487. By January 1st of next year, uh, city council must adopt an ordinance establishing procedures for review and approval of a certifi of certified recovery residences within the jurisdiction. Uh, essentially this means that recovery centers, which are places where uh, drug addicts and or recovering alcoholics can go for residential treatment, meaning in your neighborhood. Uh, and they are not permitted to be treated differently than any other residential use for purposes of zoning, permitting, or any of that other stuff. Um, so as long as your rules comply with federal, state, uh, uh, fair housing and ADA, uh, you don't get a say in whether it gets to be in your neighborhood or your next door neighbor. uh land use zoning building codes that uh uh are used to ban uh uh restrict or unduly restrict recovery residences are actionable and not permitted. And so as a the summary here on this first page kind of goes through some of the stuff that uh we will be crafting into the ordinance which I will repeat we are doing for every other city and town because they're required to have it and so where are the other city who is

paying attention to this piece of legislation. Um the argument in favor of it is that since it has been determined that uh addiction whether it be to alcohol or drugs is a disease uh then to treat these folks differently because they have a disease would be the same as discriminating against anybody on the basis of ADA. And that is why they have taken your ability to say that those kinds of residences are different than the kind that you and I go and live in every day. Uh and said that they're permitted to be in that setting. Their findings are that the recovery rate for those people who suffer from these conditions in a residential setting is greater than those that are more institutionalized like a hospital or treatment center and so forth. So that's the basis for it and I didn't want it to take you by surprise. I also wanted you to have the opportunity before you're presented with the ordinance to know what's coming and be able to answer constituents questions as to why your hands are tied and to encourage anybody who doesn't like this idea as I would to reach out to your local legislative delegation and tell them why are you doing this and keeping our us from ability to locally control local issues. But nevertheless, that's me grandstanding so I'll be quiet about that. But while I have you on these this topic, there are a couple of others which you haven't been presented with and interestingly will not be presented with. One of them which has been on the books for a very long time and it so far has not raised its head here as far as I'm aware. It is called a community residential home. It's different than the thing you're going to have an ordinance about and it's covered by 419001. And if it's seven or more 7 to 14 unrelated residents in the same place, there are some procedures you can have in place. But if it's six residents or less, more or less, they can put this facility in your neighborhood. And it is applicable to people who are in the

juvenile justice system, people who have been declared dependent, meaning they come from abusive families. And uh the only thing you can determine is whether the building is there as a single family residence and they're in it. They don't have to be related to one another and and other things of that nature. Uh there's an exception if you have one of those six or under places within a thousand feet of another six or under residence, but that's basically it. There is the ability if someone in one of those facilities is known to you to present an unusual threat to uh to property. And an the example that comes to mind, although I don't know how in the world you'd know this, but if someone was a pyromaniac and had a record of burning things down that presented a potentially unreasonable risk to the neighborhood and going out and starting fires, you you'll be able to say something. But short of that, yeah. No. Um, and then the last one on this little thing is the family daycare homes. I'm sure you're all aware that family daycare can be your neighbor if it chooses to and you don't have to say about that one either as long as they're validly licensed. And so why am I telling you all this? Well, first obviously the ordinance that's coming up and I wanted you to be aware of it and be prepared to pass it even if it makes you cringe. Um and secondarily to again reiterate to you this is just but one example of the things happening in Tallahassee which ties your hands. And if you think I'm kidding, wait till you see what comes out of property taxes this session. So that's it for me. Does this affect the communities that are restricted deed restricted? Uh it affects them only in so far as if they were to not comply with a deed restriction, but the deed restriction to the extent it uh it uh uh was contrary to law, the law would trump. So for example, if you had a deed restriction, and their laws changed on this in Florida, it used to be you couldn't have a flag pole. Then we passed a statute that said you can have a flag pole,

particularly if it's an American flag and so forth. And so uh but there are restrictions for neighborhoods on certain things like paint colors and so forth. Those restrictions in your neighborhood would apply, but the people who but buying it and occupying it as one of these uses, no. That's interesting. Well, thanks for all that good news there, Cliff. Appreciate that. [laughter] All right, the mayor's report. All right, guys. It's got a lot of lot of things coming up here this next couple of weeks. Uh first of all, uh tomorrow night, uh November 6th at 5:30 p.m. at Highland Manor, we've got the uh John Land Gala, which you know is in honor of former mayor land, and it's a way to raise money for a lot of different um clubs and programs in the the Apoak area. So, it's a great opportunity for us to to give back to our community. So, John Lengala tomorrow night at Highland Manor um 5:30. Uh Friday morning 7:30 bright and early got uh Continental Breakfast. Come on down to the community center and I'll be giving the state of the city. A program will start at 8, should be have you out there right at 9. Um just to keep keep you posted on things that we've accomplished this year. Next up on uh Saturday, November the 8th, uh which Commissioner has talked about, it's the APD Horsepower for Heroes car show. So, come on out. That's from 9 to 1:00 p.m. Kitland Nelson Park. Then that evening, um fire department is putting on the fill the boot fundraiser. Um I know that, um Matt Morgan, who I I asked to be the MC for the event, uh he was on Monsters of the Midday today to talk about the event. So that's Saturday 4 to 900 pm at Fifth Street. So we get how many teams, Chief? 15. 15 uh teams going to be pulling big fire

trucks around and see who can who can pull it the fastest. So should be a great time. Come on out and support Phil and in and his recovery. Next up, um our VFW Veterans Day service at Kitland Nelson Park is November the 11th at 11:00 a.m. Kitland Nelson Park. come on out and be a part of that. And then last, um, on November 15th is a Popka Recycles Day. This will be at Edward Field from 9:00 a.m. to noon. Uh, so come on out if you've got recyclables. We will take care of those for you. And with that, we'll