City Council - Regular Meeting

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There we go. Okay. The municipal planning commission meeting for Thursday, March 12th, 2026 will now come to order. Um, please call the roll. Mr. Todd Hawkins,

yes. And Ellsworth here. Gregory Yashnik here. Jason West. Eric Deal. Mayor Star here. Safety Service Director Sawers Brian. He's not member of the commission. We do have a core. All right. Um, commission members, in your uh packets for the meeting minutes from January 8th, 2026, are there any additions or corrections to them? And hearing none, uh, we'll entertain a motion for the approval of the minutes. So moved. Second.

Moved and seconded. Any discussion? All those in favor say I. I.

Oppos? Nay. They are approved. Uh, are there any any additions to the agenda that we have. We have two items on on this afternoon hearing none. We'll just assume that it's approved by consensus then. And u we would like to welcome Zach Sherman who is the city clerk now full time. He is uh going to be doing the clerking uh for these and and uh Lacy will step back and and and do some more advising capacity in this partic particular regard. Um and we'll u anyway. So yeah, that's the not change for for you all. So anyway, okay. Um, Mr. Chairman, would you uh please read the first the first case for us, please?

2026 MPC08 Jackson Street conditional use for smallcale planned housing development. Okay. Who is uh from is going to be speaking on? Mr. Hort, do you want to come up? There is a statement that we'll have you read and then the floor will be yours. Okay. My name is Bo Horde. My address is 9455 Camp Road. I affirm that my testimony is truthful to the best of my knowledge and ability. So help me God. We're under penalty and of perjury. Welcome. Thank you. So what do you got going here?

So I bought three properties for technically five parcels last year or end of November. I would like to after spending some time with Lacy and looking at um the property and where it sits in the flood plane, we would like to actually take two of the parcels and put in two three unit um buildings to make it a smallcale plan housing. We currently last year we built two duplexes and the year before that we also built two other duplexes. So what we're trying to do is bring more housing

into Mount Vernon. Um, my wife Courtney Colbertson and I own I think it's 32 doors currently and instead of buying old, we decided to build new, try to keep rents available and everything kind of local local people um built by local people as well. So, I just want to build the two of them. I've worked with Mr. Ball as well and I've got some FEMA paperwork to do. So, it's going to take a little bit of time, but I've got um FEMA as involved as well.

Okay, good. There are two if the one unit would be two one-bedroom, one baths um and a two-bedroom, one bath. The other one would be two onebedroom, one baths and a three-bedroom, two bath. Uh with the knowledge of Courtney, that's kind of what she said. Let's add some more of these. Okay. There will be a quiz afterwards, too. That Okay. Um, any questions for Mr. Hord?

We have some sort of layout how the three are going to be on there. minutes from the last meeting.

So, the parking areas would be along where the alley or where Jackson Street where it currently is. And that's to the right of the screen. Yeah. Okay. And then the A transfer place is more like right there. Okay. Okay.

Yep. Each will have a single bedroom and single bath with a kitchen. And then this one will have a two bedroom, one bath. This one have a three bedroom, two bath. And the other lot that I own is this portion up here which div we believe the northern lot has some some easements for for that section of levy No one research on it, but should have a lot physically goes into the

Is there a certain type of income level or or market that you're you're targeting here particularly for this? A lot of times we do single mothers is kind of what our normal goal is is single mothers. Um we're trying to keep the rent down. That's kind of why we went with three because it kind of keeps it with the expenses that we're going to have to do with FEMA and moving some water and sewer. We try we try to keep our rents below average or right at the average. I think I think Courtney told me around $1,400 for a two-bedroom is right around there. This is not subsidized by any stretch. Got it. Okay. N okay, any other questions for Mr.

Horton? I'll I'll I'll open that up in just a moment. Anyone from uh Well, if you want to sit tight, I'm sure there are other people who have questions. We'll probably bring you back up to answer questions. Okay. Okay. Does anybody in the audience wish to speak um about this? Come on up. P him, if you will uh read the the statement there. I saw it. Okay. Very good.

My name is Paula Walton. My address is 307 Greenwood Avenue. I affirm that my testimony is truthful to the best of my knowledge and ability. So help me God or under penalty or perjury. Okay. So I own the script that used to be alley and they they gave it to me when I they gave it to all of us when we bought ours. Um this concerns me.

Please people who are watching cannot hear. that concerns me. Um, that's a lot of places. We're used to seeing nothing back there and that's a lot of housing back behind us. It's a lot. And I'm worried about why would people want to live across from the Ohio Power Company? All the that's their business, I guess. But, um, they put the stakes in last year. We didn't know why. Um, they have a stake on my property. I believe I would like my property surveyed. I don't want to pay for it. It's too expensive. I want the city to pay for it and reservey that because they have a stake on what I'm paying for.

Well, the city does not reservey. I know they don't. And so if you believe it's on your property, you can remove the stake. Oh, well, but what if they decide it's theirs and they go ahead and vote on it anyway? Well, that's between you and them. Oh my goodness. I live on social security. I'm like, come on. Anyway, that does concern me. That's a lot of housing when we're used to seeing deer and squirrels back there and nobody. But that that's my concern. That's my biggest concern. Okay. Plus plus I do believe they have a stake on some of my property. Okay.

So, this is is this a given? Is this approved already? We have not taken a vote. Okay. All right. We But we will today. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. Does anybody else wish to speak about this?

Yeah. Go ahead. I Carol McMahon 309 Greenwood Avenue. I firmly I affirm that my testimony is truthful to the best of my knowledge and ability. So help me God under the penalty of Miss McMahon. Can you pull that microphone a little closer to you? So we can make sure that we're

My house is right here, too. His I guess you're going to be the one that's going to be building my pine. You know where I'm at. My pine trees, all the other pine trees, those are mine. What is the idea? What is the purpose of building there anyway? Close to that, close to the dyke and whatever else. And besides those alleys was already closed 50 years ago. And you I hope you know that those alleys are closed. The only thing they're useful for is the utility companies. That's all. So you can't go down there and use that alley as a street.

Was there Could you Okay. So if you can address the the commission, that would be okay. Would be great. Okay. So anyway, there's an alley that goes down behind my property because I have two. I have Which one is that on the screen? If you can point that screen.

Okay. So, so okay, go ahead. So, that was closed years and years ago. Does that mean that's going to be opened? Are we No, the proposal does not the as far as from our perspective in engineering. The proposal is not to reopen. The proposal is to build on property. Can everybody please silence your cell phones right now? You're supposed to be I must have it all. Okay. I'm sorry. So, they're not proposing as far as we can tell. what was submitted. They're not proposing any work outside of their property that they own.

I was going to say because how you tend to get in out of there. You're going to come down what I think it's Jefferson. Yeah. Jackson Street. That is a public street, right? It's a public street and the property is above Jackson Street. Yeah. Okay. So there's still the alleys, the alley there, but the alley has been vacated and a portion of the alley is owned by BHP Interior Solutions LLC and then the alley was split. It looks I mean it's showed on the map it's split among the different. Yeah.

In a typical manner when alleys are vacated. So okay, what does this all mean then? Is it going to be still closed only to the alley's been vacated? The alley has been vacated. Yeah. So the the part of the property that you own is your property. The part of the property that they own is their property and they plan to build on their property. So it's all said and done. No, they're they're here to ask to build, right? So their work is going to happen on the property. They they're not planning to do work on your propert. And if they get approved, they're going to have to come through Jackson Street, not through your property. Yes. Okay. So, yeah.

Okay. Thank you. Does anybody else wish to speak on this matter?

These are my neighbors.

Um, my name is Monica Smith. My address is 303 Greenwood Avenue. I affirm that my testimony is truthful to the best of my knowledge and ability. So, help me God or under penalty of perjury. Um, I'm just going to kind of reiterate what Paula said. I mean, I realize that they bought this property. My only concern is that it is a quiet neighborhood. There's nothing behind us. We're used to seeing deer out there and squirrels and all those kind of things. And it's a very quiet um area at the edge of town. So, like I said, I'm sure I know this is your decision to make. So, I just wanted to say that I hope that I mean, as far as the traffic goes, they're just And I was going to ask you like where did they say the parking is going to be? It's going to be on Jackson Street in front of the said properties.

That That was Is that That's correct. Yes. In front of uh Yeah. Right. Okay. Well, I mean, that's really all I have to say. I just I hate to see this happen, quite frankly, but it's not my property. Um but it is a really quiet little neighborhood down through there, and I just I don't want to see that destroyed. So, Thank you for your time. Okay. Thank you. Is there anybody else who wishes to speak on this particular matter?

Okay. Then uh we will close the public comment. Does anybody have any questions, follow questions for Mr. Horde before we deliberate? And I will officially close the public comment portion of this uh case. And um we will I I need to go through my checklist. Um Mrs. Blankhard, did you re uh did you receive any kind of uh communications either in writing or via phone or email? I did not receive anything. Okay. All right. Um, and then can you explain how the as far as are there are there any code uh concerns that you would have for this?

No code concerns. I will explain a little bit of why we're here today. Um, when the code was amended in J July 2024, a smallcale planned housing development was added as a use for certain districts in the city uh including this one. So, requires them to come to the municipal planning commission and present what they're proposing to do. Um, this is covered in section 1105.04 and in the use specific standards is letter C, the small city planned housing development. It details out what they can or can't do. And I have worked with Mr. I think almost a year now uh on this plan going back and forth rearranging changing making sure that the both of the units were separated to code there's he's worked diligently to get this to this point um to meet what the code requires.

Okay. Thank you. Mr. Zimmerman, did you do you see any issues from from your perspective? No, I do not at least done more than you do. Okay, Mr. Ball, are there any engineering concerns?

Uh, we we've also worked with him for some time. The uh primary concern is this is in the flood plane. Uh, but working with his surveyors and doing some measurements, it's not a difficult fix. We would require that the new structures be elevated slightly to get them out of the flood. Yeah, the sanitary sewer runs through the uh vacent. We will have to go to Greenwood to get water. We've worked through all of our concerns at this point. Okay, Mr. Burn, are there any I'm sorry, we closed the public comment portion of this.

Um Mr. Mr. Burn, are there any legal concerns that

I would note that uh Mrs. Blanken Horn talked about the uh the code sections and in 11054C it talks about the review criteria and it says that when viewing application for a smallcale housing development the municipal planning commission shall consider the review criteria established for all conditional uses in 110306 C the purpose statement above which is in C1 one, which is the purpose smallcale planned housing development unfolds to provide a method by which the city may consider alternative housing developments within the context of the existing neighborhoods and it goes on from there. But then it refers you back to 11306 C which is the conditional uses and that sort of talked about the review criteria and it goes on to 14 subsections.

Okay to be dealt with as part of this. Okay. So this is a conditional use approval. So that means that we're approving it for BHB interior to build on it, but then it doesn't carry forward to the next owner. Right. I'm sorry. We have we've closed the public comment portion. No, I do not. No, they're going to raise their land. So all the runoff's going to come on our Okay, let's

let's get let's let's make sure that we're following procedure here. We're not We have to meet storm water issues. That is one of the things that we have our engineering department for. So we're talking about high elevation of the structure so that it doesn't qual doesn't have to qualify for a flood insurance. I have to pay for insurance. Ma'am, we're not here for that. We are here for Mr. Horid and his development. Um and he's worked very much with uh with our our engineering department. Okay. Brian or uh Todd, continue with with what your question. No, I think you clarified. So, I just want to make sure that it's a conditional use approval if we were to approve it.

And once he builds it, the conditional use is as set. If for whatever reason he chooses, he is not able to build or something happens, the conditional use would not then transfer if they were not built. But when they are built, it still would be R1A. And then 40 years from now and they sell it, it would still be R1A, but then it would still be under the conditional use, they would still be allowed to use it as it as it is, but they could not go and expand the conditional use. Okay. Without committee approval. Yeah. Okay. All right. Thank you. That cleans that up. Good.

Okay. Um well, if there are no other concerns expressed by uh at this point, then we will entertain. I'm sorry. Go ahead. So part of the reason from my understanding you know part of our rationale is the third lot would not have Phil placed on it right and then you come back question you planning to excavate material from that northern lot from the northern lot. No I was not planning to do anything with that. I was just planning on using the extra dirt we dug to dig to just bring this up around the structure a little bit which is

I think it's 0.1 in and point or 0.1 ft and 6 feet altogether is how far low we were on the flood plane. Yeah, they're not it's not a lot of fill. So just for the record it's not a significant amount of fill and then the northern lot would be unchanged. It is also one of the lower spots. So the idea is generally the storm water would migrate to the lot between the levy and where he's building. Just to clarify, yeah, we want to leave that as a green space.

Go ahead and you know put that on the record. stick around long see this conversation out and if you'd like to stay up here because I'm if you don't mind for sake of public safety and public nuisance concerns and that was some of the other questions that were raised by members of the community. Um to be clear when you do you know some site preparation for this site please keep in mind that when and we've had this these instances occur throughout the city that when you do that site preparation and cause any sort of runoff at this inter that you would have to correct if you cause runoff onto another property and you're aware

I would rather direct all the water towards that back spot than in houses. I've had that I've had enough problems with water running in my own house. I wouldn't want to do that to somebody.

Great. Okay. The other thing is so um and and this applies citywide, but I'm I'm just going to say this. If a the um property has and in this case a newer property shows up and especially in an area where um neighbors have been there for decades and there is noise, property maintenance, what have you. If there's a property maintenance situation, you can always contact code enforcement and they will maintenance ordinances they will contact in this case and you will maintain control of the property. Right? You these will be tenants and you will be

correct and we pay for their trash.

Right? So there you go. So and I want I want you to know that and I want everybody in the city to know that that they can contact the city inspector or the assistant city inspector who will then contact the landlord and they will take care of that. and they have a they have a both a reputation and a relationship with landlords throughout throughout the city. On top of that, if there's a nuisance, you can contact like a noise ordinance nuisance whatot, you can contact the Mount Vernon Police Department and just the way that you would do that whether you're a tenant or whether you're a property owner like single family residential property owner throughout the city. So, I grew up with a single mom in a facility something like something like this and thank God that it exists, right? So, we have good homes that are being built all throughout the city, but there's a that missing middle piece that we desperately need for people to, you know, graduate and move into a new home or there's a piece of property that, you know, there's just that missing. I maybe I don't have the money to buy a brand new $400,000 beautiful home, but I I need that opportunity. So, I look forward to supporting this and seeing more stuff like this. That's why we did redid the zoning code and I'm I'm happy to see happen. So, but I can also appreciate the other side of seeing the deer.

Yeah, I say that as the person in charge of the deer manager. Okay. Is any more discussion before we uh formally put it out there on the table? Can I ask a question? the chair. Um, I'm so ready to move the zoning where it goes back to conditional use. Is that for one year? Is that correct? I think you have to start construction in a year. Permit. The permit. You have a year to start construction. Okay. I just want to make sure. I'm waiting on FEMA. So, or we're going to get to FEMA. So, that'll be the next big issue that I next thing I have to tackle. So, I just want to make sure it was a year.

Okay. have them call us, would you? If I can in certain cases, we can spend time administratively. I hope it doesn't take that long, but it's Well, no, but we all know how it's US government. Hey, any other any other uh concerns before we put this out on the table here? Hearing none. Well, we will entertain a motion then. Motion to approve. proposal as second. Moved and seconded. Thank you. Uh any discussion then

Mr. Sherman, please call the role. Todd Hawkins, yes. And Ellsworth, yes. Gregory, yes. Mayor Star, yes. Safety service director Sawers, yes. Is approved. Okay, moving on to the next one then. Uh, Mr. Sherman, would you please read that one? 2026 MPC09 Franklin Street 109 conditional use for rowhouse development. Good, Mr. Uh, you talking again on this one? Y, all right. Very good. Want to read this again? Yes, it's a separate case. It's a separate case. Okay.

My name is Bo Horde. My address is 9455 Camp Road, Mount Vernon, Ohio 4305. I affirm that my testimony is truthful to the best of my knowledge and ability to help me God or under penalty of perjury. Okay. What's this uh what's this one here? So, this one is a property that is zoned currently general business. Okay. And we would like to change it to um two row houses. We're not changing the zoning. Zoning conditional use to make it okay two row houses which would be residential. Yes. Yes. So it would be um two buildings each, two one-bedroom units and a two-bedroom, one bath unit.

Okay. For the goal was 55 and over. Okay. All right. Very good. Um and can we see where this land? Do we have a Do we have a The next one is the actual probably we have a uh uh give us some reference here in terms of where the roads are and so forth. The corner of Franklin Street where if you're following Franklin Street, it makes that 90 degree turn. It would be that it's that corner turns into Is that what it is?

Yeah. When you turn on Franklin and go straight down and eventually you'll go to a hard left. Okay. You're a half a block from John Francis. Okay. Okay. So, we're on the we're on the north side of High Street on this and right near the railroad tracks.

Got it. Okay. Oh, I know. I know where we are now. Okay. Very good. So, and you said this is targeting a 55 and better. All right. Um, any questions for Mr. Hord on this particular? This is conditional use for residential on a general business zone. So, not in the flood plane. We have reasonably water line installed a few years ago. Sanitary services all easily available at this. There was there a mobile home on it years ago?

There was a there was a mobile home on this site and I think about the time we installed the water line that was that was decommissioned. But there is a water previous house. Okay. Um any questions? All right. Hang tight. Mr. Horde, does anybody wish to speak on uh either for or against or just general questions about this? We'll get you. We'll get Yeah, we'll get you.

Hi everyone. My name is Chuck Rogers and my address is 15639 McKenzie Road, Mount Vernon, Ohio. I affirm my testimony is truthful and to the best of my knowledge and ability. So help me God under ped of perjury. I just kind of like to follow up. This is actually my pet. This is my pet project. Bo and I are developing this together. Uh we had bought this lot several years ago. Like you said, it had a mobile home on it. We tore the mobile home down and we've been mowing it ever since. So, what we This is kind of one of my dreams is we talked so much about doing infill projects. I think this is perfect example of that. We've got a residential house on each side of it and then uh and is being zoned general business. I would hate I don't think it's a good spot for a business because we do have houses on each side. I think it would be a better anchor having some affordable housing in there. What why we're working together on this is we're planning on doing both projects at the same time. So, our contractors will move from one property over to the next property back and forth. We'll keep our guys busy. We're going to be able to keep our our costs low. So, that's why we're working on this together. And as myself, I own several properties. I am a prop I am a landlord myself. I get a calls all the time for the single mom or somebody through new directions or things like that that need that affordable and safe housing. And like Bose said, instead of just changing names on deeds, we want to actually be part of the solution for Mount Vernon and build some affordable uh rentals here in town. So that's our plan. Um, I don't have anything else, but if anybody has any questions for me, any questions for Mr. Rogers?

I do have one. The current uh on the auditor's site, the current property owner is either you or it's my wife, Amanda Jane Shuffleburgger. That'll explain that. She didn't want to take my name. Yes. That's why Bo is kind of running it running it for the the building stuff and then I'm talking in his ear. Say, "Does this Amanda person know that you're building?" Yes, she does. She is definitely on the loan. I'll tell you that. Probably on a Wikileaks it to her.

For the record, I did receive a notorized uh letter from Mr. his wife, Mrs. M. Burger authorizing Bo to act as the agent. Yeah. Good. Any other questions?

Okay. Hang tight then. Yes, sir. You wanted to speak, come on up. We'll have you read that statement and then the floor will be yours. My name is James Dean. My address is 305 Chester Street. I affirm my testimony is truthful to the best of my knowledge and abilities. So, help me God or under the penalty of perjury. I do have a couple questions. Um, you said your target area or your target was 55 and older. I mean, is that going to be a guarantee or is it is it going to be single moms with their boyfriends and kids? More single moms. Why don't you come can come up so we can make sure that we get hear your voice on the on the record then too. So,

my target audience is single moms or maybe one with a kid. That's why we're only doing onebedroom units and two bedroom units. So, we don't have a ton of that of a lot of kids. It's mostly, in my experience, it's single women that, you know, after their kids have left the house, they end up getting a divorce and they're looking for single housing and they're hard to find in this town. So, that's what we're that's my game plan is kind of I mean, I I heard uh on the previous project it was $1,400 a month. I'm just curious how a single mother can afford that.

I'm looking that that's not mine. Mine are my onebedrooms are $950 to $1,000 a month and my I'm looking at 1,200 for my two bedrooms. My other concern was uh the parking and if if you know if it's not 55 and older. Yeah, parking is here. The curve goes this way like here and there's actually kind of a what do you call that alleyway that comes back into where the cement shop used to be or the block shop that is there. So, our parking will be kind of on that alley. So, we won't it won't be Franklin technically won't be touched.

Well, I was just concerned about like overflow parking or holidays friends. I mean, especially if you have younger people younger than 55, there's going to be tons of cars back there. Well, they're only going to be allowed to have one and a half parking spots for the single units and two parking spots for the two beds.

No. Okay. Um, thank you. My other concern is safety with um having kids back there or younger people. You do have the old Cleaver lumber yard back there which is adjacent to this property. And my house is adjacent to the back side of this property. And if you go from that property and you look diagonally across all these neighbors of ours, you have uh the McDonald's, the Shell station, the drive-thru, Dollar General. And I know how young people are. I was I was one. They like to cut through people's yards, climb fences, and then you have the lumber yard back there, which is just I can't remember the gentleman's name that owns that, but it's full of stuff back there. So, I'm concerned about safety also. And having these kids jump fences coming through your yard. I mean, that's a really big concern of mine. That's all I have.

Okay. Thank you. Thank you. An excellent name, by the way. Um, okay. Does anybody else wish to speak on this particular matter? I didn't have one more question. Okay, Mr. Dean. No, I know they were asking for an easement of some sort or a uh they are asking for conditional use. because the zoning on this property is technically general business and they're asking to be allowed to build residential units on it.

Okay. That's I guess that wasn't my question. My question is the property boundaries. I think where you're thinking um if this gets approved today then it's coming back next week to board of zoning appeals for variances. Variances. Yes, that's what I was thinking of. Next week if this gets approved. Okay. It's a two-step process because it's different commissions.

Good. Good question. Good point. Thank you. Okay. Anybody else wish to speak on this? Then I will officially close the public comment portion of this particular case and um Miss Miss Blank, Mrs. Blankenhorn, did you uh receive any communications other than the one you talked about from u Mr. Mr. Rogers's wife? any communications from uh anyone re email or I did not receive anything. Okay. The letter that she provided is a requirement of our code when she's not representing herself. It has to be a federalized agent.

And then we run across people who over the past show up and say, "Oh, I have the authority to do this for this property owner." And they don't. Got it. and it leads to a lot of work on behalf of Miss Blankenhorn and others. Yeah. Uh for no actual gain. Good. So, thank you for that. Anyway, any uh are there any zoning issues that you see other than asking for this conditional use not and not borrowing barring the variance?

No issues. Uh again, I've worked with them for several months to get this to this point. We've gone back and forth with different iterations. The reason it is uh detailed in the agenda as a row house is because when the city code was updated in July of 2024, the definitions of multifamily changed. And so we went from just one bedroom, twobedroom or multif family. We added in a three family and then multif family is technically four units in one structure and more. But we also added row house which doesn't distinct how many dwellings can be in one structure. Uh and row house is a conditional use in the general business district.

Got it. Thank you. Mr. Zimmerman, do you see any issues with the this request? Okay, Mr. Ball. Uh what do we look like engineering wise? And and yeah, no issues. you have out of it's not in the flood it's not in the 100year FEMA regulated flood plane according to FEMA the entire planet is in the flood plane it's not in the regulated flood plane to acquire uh flood insurance uh we have access to quality high quality city utilities and it's currently vacant lot Mr. Para any legal issues from what you see

no I just want to go over what we're actually There is a conditional use for residential rowhouse in the general business district. That's the only issue before the municipal planning commission. Okay. Then Jree doesn't have to be involved in this at all. Correct. This is a small not a sub. Very good. Okay. Well, um and this is a recommendation or this is a ruling.

This is a ruling. So when that'll be it today, then it goes to if depending on the outcome it would go to BCA following following this. So um any other discussion before we decide to put it on the table? So for the sake of Mr. Dean, um is there uh plans to fence any part of the boundary of the property? I do I know the make the mayor happy. I like to take the uh Walt Disney approach and build sidewalks where the people may go and not try to direct them want to go. So um or we would want them to go also add um given that this was in initially intended to be a commercial area as opposed to residential, it might be us to take stock of street lights that are in this area other complaints as concerns about lighting. So that's something. So if you're going to have folks that are young families and say public safety folks are going to be

wanted to hear your comments on particularly on fencing and making sure So my plan is is um there's a house up here the next door neighbor there is a wood there is a wood fence that currently that goes in and does this little dog leg here into the back into their backyard. My plan is this is a six foot wood fence. Now, we're just going to make sure that that's all good and and stable. And then we're going to continue that across the back all the way back to where the uh block plate, the cement plates used to be.

They have a six foot tall chain length fence that runs all the way across their property with a gate back here for the old alley access that they still use randomly. they'll still use that. So, that is our plan there. What what I foresee in this project is I would actually like to put almost like a security gate kind of a thing across the front because my I do want to allow my tenants to have small pets. So, in this back area here is going to be like a dog park for them. So, uh so we will have fencing. This fencing here and then this is probably I might come back to do a fence here down the road, but Now, just this fence that divides the neighbors, we're going to make sure that those are are fresh fences.

Okay. Is given that they're they're patting up against a general business in that area behind there, are there screening requirements? Not for him. There would be for the business. Yeah. Right. Now, it's just grown up and Yeah. Yeah. I'm just I was just thinking generally it's the more intrusive use is required to screen against the less

yeah that's I was just thinking that through as I was looking at the the photograph and uh the aerial photograph I can see the business there one side here so and personally I would like to have some sort of a wood fence back there because it's pretty ugly and we see all the stuff in their yard. So, I'll probably have a perimeter fence that goes a wood fence that goes along that back just to be able to make my side look better. Yeah, I know. I

This body is not currently No. No. Okay. Any other questions? Then we will uh entertain a motion to put this move this formally onto the table. I move approve the conditional use requested as presented. Second. Second. Thank you. Okay. Any discussion? Mr. Sherman, please call the RO. Todd Hawkins. Yes. Anne Ellsworth. Yes. Gregory. Yes. Mayor Stark. Yes. Safety service director Sers.

Yes. Okay. It is approved also. So, um that concludes the business for today. I want to welcome Mr. Yagnik to the to the seat. Some big shoes you're filling there with Austin.

Uh anyway, and uh thanks for your service again, all of the the volunteers for helping us out with this. This is uh this is the first one of of these types of um smallcale developments that we have looked at and again it's trying to find homes for for lots of different people um and not breaking the bank on doing it too. So appreciate the thoughtfulness in working with our engineering department doing this. Appreciate the neighbors because it is a change in scenery. Um um but we will we will uh we will adapt to that. So anyway, um anything anything else then? Then we will entertain a motion for adjournment.

Second. All those in favor say I. I. We're journ. Thank you all. Do you have a second to sign of plans for ODOT? Asset management plan. You get the sawzaw. We'll cut the bottom off of it so we don't Yeah.