Historic District Review Board - Regular Meeting

Um, okay. Uh, 196 Main Street, replacing of existing 96 Main Street. Okay. Join us at the table and let's talk about your your application. Okay. Uh, they might be clipped together. Okay. Oh, here I probably talked talked a bit more than they they can anyway, but Okay, I'm Nice to meet you.

Uh, you're Yeah, Reed. Gotcha. Russ. Okay. So can you uh describe your application or the record?

Sure. So uh we started with you can see the damage from the existing columns and so on. And so we talked about what would be an appropriate replacement for the columns. One of the things with these columns, these older columns, they do not allow for appropriate like bracing, like hurricane strapping and so on. The current code, let me just hang on my phone. No worries. Shouldn't be interrupting us.

I'll check my make sure my I hope that wasn't Kim. you remember. Okay.

All right. So, yes. So, so my goal was to be able to provide something that was that would look good with the house, but would allow me to do the appropriate uh strapping to both the the porch and the underlying foundation along with the the new V, which we're actually having to run a whole new beam off too. So to be able to appropriately hurricane brace those things you can you can attach these columns but you cannot brace them like you can a 4x4 4x6. So my goal is to be able to do that and hide it. You see he hide it with some additional cladding at the top and the bottom which basically hides your braces better at the top to bottom. I find that to be just very efficient in terms of making a strong column structure. And what I did is I looked at the some of the other properties like this. I did some of the square columns and see how they did it. I said, "Oh, that does look really good. I don't know where, when, and so on." You know, these things were done. I I on this property. Um I don't know where a lot of this stuff was approved and stuff in terms of this. This is an interesting property. Um it was the mayor's old house and I don't know when things were done and whatnot, but I'm trying to get them to the point where they're actually really good. Nice. Again, um we we could go with the round columns, but again, uh first of all, they would be a compon had to be a composite versus the pine because it just they just rot. But and there's just really no way of being able to adequately secure those in the environment. You can put nails and screws in, but it just is not there like hurricane since strong on. And my thought on the square columns was we have like the round is it like rungs the

smaller little they're kind of a little bit more round and like looking at other home designs and everything I noticed it's usually a combination of like round and the smaller and then square for larger but it like kind of evens out in the design and so it's just kind of bringing it back to more of a craftsman style and versus we plan on keeping all the other spindles and everything else. Just the remaining just the columns have to be replaced completely. They're all cut them all down

except for the one that would must have been Jeff Phillips I believe must have replaced the one in the corner when a car hit it or something. That is a permag. So um do you have any historical photographs? No. I try to find the old photos of this place. I even asked Abigail if there's anything in the in the record that might give me some some help. Jeff Phillips didn't happen. He said at one point there was he said if they want to go further back originally a really ugly metal uh kind of art de not even art deco just a 60s thing that they had the porch. Yeah.

So this doesn't even date back as far as the 1960s. What's there? I don't think so. Z have no idea because there's I read through all of your your requirements and let you approve and so on. All I read everything I'm not that type of guy and and of course it's got vinyl siding on the whole house and it says in your stuff that vinyl siding no well it may have been before. Exactly. So I don't and and we couldn't find permits for anything going back in 1925. that yeah there somewhere similar

there's some confusion about that because I think there might have been either a fire or something that destroyed a previous thing they rebuilt it redid it at 25 because on the original one even right 1896 and everybody I talked to that has homes right there they go well no it's not 1925 all these are pre900 so we don't know exactly it would be nice to have store it own pictures of it. The point for us is we love it as is and just want it to be um replaced so that it's not going to rot.

Really, it wasn't even we knew there were some bad spots, but it was once we started taking some things apart, it was like we have to take this all down now or we're going to lose the whole structure. So, of the porch, we're having a roof done, too. Uh, so we kind of wanted to get the bracing at least the porch done before they start. How did they do it with the roof? Uh, full replacement. Yeah. No changes, just

Yeah. Okay. So, uh, am I correct that uh what we're talking about is strictly replacing the existing round columns with square columns? That would be what what is up in front of the board. Okay. Other otherwise uh everything else is going to stay as is. From a well I shouldn't say that.

Well well because the all of the all of the front beam front beams were clad with aluminum over rotten wood. So, I'm not planning on putting the clad aluminum over that. First of all, because it's not to the period, and secondly, because if you do that, that's when you have water ted in there, which makes the wood rot and so on. We're hoping the roof will fix, but until we have the full replacement, we don't want to risk containing any more water in there.

It's a it's a it's a better design there. There's no reason why you should clad it. In fact, it's clad with a couple layers of aluminum. So, I'm hoping to just put like like a hardy gourd, a natural wood looking uh surface to clad everything, the post and so on that but yet be impervious to to uh bugs, rot so on. The same color to the white. Well, okay. question is um are the columns paintable? Yes.

Pressure treated with pressure treated wood plat hardy board is what you

Well, okay. because um I understand that you're going to use the Hardy board to in places where you're reconstructing the um you know the uh beams that form the the perimeter, right? Am I correct? All the columns all all the columns and and yes where the beams are where the new beam has to go in that will be clad with that instead of of but no the po the posts themselves the square posts themselves get initial covering of the hardy board all the way around all the way up and then at the base and at the top the initial cladding to make it wider because you're bracing your sim and strong ties and so on stick out a little bit further and that covers your bracing both at the top and the bottom similar to what they did on on this other other point because they clad it a little bit more

and the column bases didn't even actually properly fit the porch the the beam they were too Did I explain that appropriately? Yeah, I I'm I'm just, you know, um trying to get a a better um an idea, visual idea of what it is that you're you're proposing to do. Um Okay. So, there should have been some drawings for the drawings here that show the cross-section. Okay. So, let's going through this. Th this is the I I guess the roof essentially the reflected ceiling plan showing the beams, the columns. Yes.

And so on. Yes. Um how does how does the how do the beams frame into the house here and here? That is a very good question. And let me say this about that. How is it? What are you planning on doing? Well, the the real issue with this whole thing has been that all of this stuff has been clad with aluminum. Mhm. And the front beam and what we have what I have exposed of the side beams is bad also.

Right. I have not, for valid reasons, I have not pulled off anything away from the house at this point in time because my main goal was to get put in a a temporary beam across the front. I just snapped a couple photos earlier. Oh, good. So, I Yeah, because that'll help a lot. So, temporary beam plays along. But but as far as the side ones until until we know. Yeah.

And we wouldn't even have gone as far as we did until we saw all the all the rot that was kind of at this point. It's like this has come down. Yeah. Well, we can support it. See those thin columns are kind of like Yeah. Yeah. We were thinking they were pretty accurate to the house. It is nice both deck. Yes. You know, no cannot stay. We can pick those. What?

No. So, to answer your question, that's what concerns me at this point in time because that's why I want to get the temporary beam in the front because why you see all those jacks? Because I don't know what I'm going to find. It should be and that's why I show it on the drawings. It should be the proper construction. It should be brought into the structure of the house. And then strong tie with with straps.

This is either 1925 or before. I do not know what they did, but I don't trust it. And I know the wood's already bad. So that's why, you know, it's very important. First of all, and I'm glad John stopped by the guy because I thought we had already kind of gone through that. he'd seen it and everything, but uh the goal would be for me to be able to get to that point and address it directly because right now my goal is two by uh to build a be 2 by8. So bonded together 2x8. So 16 and 12 16 and 12 build up place the front one, right?

Uh and then be able to take out the temporary when we get that. But I didn't want to do that and had to move jack around. I'd rather be able to put the columns in once we get the the new beam in. Once I know I've got a solid beam in the front all across the front, then I'm much more comfortable ensuring that I have I can work with what coming in from the house or both sides of the house. And until then, uh yeah, I really don't do good, but it's very bad. All right. Uh let's talk about this. This is what you're proposing an elevation of what you're

proposing. That would be the elevation part. All right. So, uh this is the uh pressuret treated column. No, that's clad already once. That's clad once. Yeah. And this is the second cladding. Correct. Okay. And this is a side elevation from the side. Yeah. Yeah. Trying to do side, front, top, and then just kind of cut out.

Go ahead, Lauren. I completely understand what it's like to buy a house and then you discover there's a lot of wood rotting completely and utterly. Um, so this house I think is there's a good chance that it's at least 100 years old 192 or earlier. Um, it looks to me like a um colonial revival house and these columns are actually pretty typical for that period. Um, the railings I think have been replaced at some point, but the columns I think are the real Well, they are because they're taller. They're up to the more recent codes and not the previous Oh, you mean the railing? Yeah. So, yeah, the railings

that I mean, we would have to find some kind of historic document or look at other houses of the period to see what the railing should be. Um, or you could keep those because we're keep we're hoping to keep all that the same. Um, my feeling though, I mean, you were saying it's a to that these are a craftsman style. This house is actually it's a double wide. It's like two um uh what do you call them? The trailers that are put together and this was built like just a couple years ago. I'm thinking more of the um I wasn't even thinking of the photos. I'm thinking more of the year of the house. Sorry, my background's in design.

No, no, it's totally fine. Um, so but this is it's not a craftsman house. So I think that those square columns are inappropriate and my suspicion is that these are the original or very historic column. So I would say if you're going to be replacing to go with a round dora column like these and our standards usually call for replacing material and kind which would be wood and then it's a maintenance issue over the years but that that would be my opinion on this.

Okay. Um, I I do feel like the square columns, especially referencing the house up the hill that is probably 10ish or so years old, are quite contemporary. Um, it's hard to trying to kind of envision it with these spindles and railing, which I don't have a great picture to go on. So, I'm kind of trying to mentally zoom in. Um, I mean, I I I I get that the maintenance and the structural um component that that's entering into the decision. I tend to agree with Lauren on round versus square. um from a historic and and a design perspective uh especially when keeping what I can see are these spindles and I don't think that they would really work well with uh a really stripped down contemporary square post like this. Um It's hard the spindles since we know they're not historic. Um to try to match the spindle seems counterintuitive even though that's what you have. So I appreciate that's what you're trying to match. Um so if if we're seeing that these are the historic design, I do think it's important to maintain that. Um which then does you know raise the question of what I think for ground what is really challenging where it's easier to do um

as far as I mean maintenance. Yeah. Would you just maybe I'll know more specifically, but I think it's a bigger project just replacing them in kind. I think it is important to keep to keep that I mean that's the whole whole goal, right? To keep the sort of fabric and so if we are if we're changing it then we're losing that. Have you explored any options for ground? Yes. And uh I found the the the like permac fiberglass one like the one that was in the corner that Jeff must replace since you guys have been around. So

yeah. No, believe me. There's lots of people do lots of things, right? But the permac you cannot tell a permac from a wooden column. I can only tell when I carried it.

You tell me you carry it. I personally would prefer that um round even if it was cast um that composite material um especially since they're everything is white. I know perview we don't have color purview but the placing in kind um to me you know this was a complete redesign of the entire structure um and all of the design choices were were kind of on the table um I I guess I shouldn't even say that because I don't even that would change my mind about the square post but if it w if that was on the table you know like It it I think the argument could be made more for changing these very specific things, these very specific elements, but maintaining everything else um visually as it is now. I I feel like the round is the appropriate. I also defer I know you know Lauren you have your masters in historic preservation so I I I defer to you on um to a degree on on you know the actual the the names of the columns and period and and that kind of stuff as well. Windows are my thing. Um, so, um, so I I you know, I Yeah.

Can I ask Can I ask one question? Because it does look to me like it's really the bases and the capitals that are rotting. Like the the shafts of the column don't really seem to be um rotting.

This whole thing all the wooden columns had Yeah. Yeah, that would basically basically I don't know if it was Jeff or somebody wrapped tape around the big hole in the post and foam. No, I we put the foam in. Yeah, it basically was all rotted out. He put tape around it, painted it white, and then after we took ownership of the property, we started finding all this stuff. There is a carpenter Gothic house on um High Street that was uh just worked on and they replaced the base the rotting base of columns and have to shore up when they did it.

Yeah. And then you only have to replace one shaft versus all of them. it. If I remember the conversation correctly, um the records that at least the uh LFA survey says it was 1925 is when it was built, but you think it's actually you're not sure if the 1925 construction was just a I guess um repairing a a burnt structure or something like that. I mean it makes more sense. It makes sense if the neighboring structures are pre-1900 that that one is likely also pre900 with some kind of alteration in 1925.

Yeah. Someone alteration someone wrote on the date 1896 they when they gave us when we got the property and 1925 they wrote 1896. And when you look in the structure of the the original structure, you'll see a smaller footprint of stone and mortar and then you get expanded footprint stone and mortar brick and crawl space and so on.

I don't know. That's the thing with this house with everything that's been done to it and I know it before I I think 1976 is when you guys got but all the stuff that was done to it. I look at and go, if you got the windows that were put in, you got the vinyl sighting. It It really is for me. It's a It's my ability to be able to take this house, which seems to have good bones, and try to make it so it continues to have good bones for many years. Yeah.

And and that's my concern uh with with the columns. There's there is no way to properly attach columns from a from a uh current building standards perspective to decking or to beams. They just they're I mean, if you looked at it, if I were to do it the same way, they literally have some screws in to the deck and then screws from the post into basically going into the post to hold this. Just a couple screws and that's it.

And there's no way for a central that's actually nothing. There's no attachment. There's no Simpson strong tides. There's no hurricane strapping that you can do. There may be I'm assume I have it. There's a there is a column that and I'd have to see one of them. They were they were extremely expensive, but they came with uh the ability to

actually uh have a like a strong type of hurricane strap at the top and bottom. Okay, here we are. But I'm not sure this is the one or not. Well, um, of the neighboring houses, uh, do they have round columns or square columns? It's, uh, the wooden columns that are basically a mix of round square. Oh, where they've got a square part base, but it was on turned kind of a turned or turned. I would find that. Yeah,

this was this was what I found in terms of the the columns. And I'm assuming that since since Jeff was able to find one per one of these columns, I should be able to find ones that that match if we have if we have to go that route like I would still prefer to do something really strong. But I I can understand what you're saying about Yeah. much more ornate. That's why we have pictures of the original structure. Not wildly expensive. what you have here is much more simple that you should be thankful for that.

So, uh if we have to go with with the the columns like that, I would prefer to be able to do like the permac and look for ones that give me the appropriate bracing. I still prefer to try to do g square. I can do different things to try to but uh

well the reason that um typically we we don't we prefer wood to be replaced with wood is because of the ability or how it looks painted since everything else is painted. Uh I guess in this particular situation uh we don't have any painted wood. We have aluminum siding. So, um, we have thumb painted columns, one one at least that's fiberglass currently. And presumably wood clinging under the presumably under the siding has wood cladding, right? Yeah. Under under the vinyl sighting.

Yeah. I I hope it's in good shape. And yeah, mine was really amazing. We've had a number of instances where where uh people have removed uh either vinyl or aluminum sighting and uh they found that the sighting underneath is in relatively good shape. Uh yes, there were some repairs, but certainly it's it was less costly than uh residing the entire building. Yeah.

But um All right. Um I don't have any problem with that type of column. I mean we we have in the past um you know had an objection to um materials which um were a lot more resistant to paint. They didn't take paint very well. But and you know reading the description it does look sound like uh it is a very painful and I know for example uh pressuret treated wood nowadays is also um a lot more will take paint a lot more readily like u like wood would. So um what does everybody else think about

this? I don't have any issue with this column. I would prefer that column. I would definitely prefer a round column over um that. But um I just I don't I don't know what size of this is or is it match the width of the existing? Okay. Is it cheaper? Also, they're not cheap, but you can get Is the one salvageable that you removed? The one is the one is salvageable. And if I could find the one and it matches really really close. Yeah,

there was one little uh towards the top at the top ring right here. You can see just another little bitty indentation that they put underneath there instead of just the one ring at the top. Oh, which one? I did it by being by This portion is flat in this um replacement material one whereas this is has more has more of a curvature to it than another that well the one that was on there. So let's see which is one two well you can yeah this one kind of tapered in a little bit and this is

yeah they should they should all be the same. They should all look really the only difference I saw is on like on this Tom cap one that gives you that's the one that was really bad. But if you look at the the one percast one that I think Jeff put on, like I said, the only difference was instead of just one little one little thing, right below it was something that kind of tapered in and then down to the column. And unless you look close, giving them uniforms, the idea.

Yeah. And then but when we do uh the only thing is with the shape of it, the size of it. So, we can widen the beam out a little bit because I didn't like the way that the caps didn't really fit. One of the other issues with these types of collets and you've probably seen it in others past that you'll see it in a lot of structures where the cap is actually wider. Yeah. Then water gets in there and that's where the rot starts and so on. Uh it would be my preference to try to build to build it the cap so it matches the size of the beam and I can adjust the size beam that is going on.

Yeah. I mean I I actually when I when I looked at this originally online these pictures are weirdly way better printed out than they are on the website I I found. So I had a hard time. So I walked by and then I I noticed that exact that thing where the cap was um wider beam and noticed a lot around the village that are actually designed that that are that way. But I completely agree um from a maintenance perspective and and if you can make the beam wider I feel like that is and I don't think that's unusual. Yeah, it it seems like it would be unusual, but it I don't

But again, the beams of the just when they did a lot of the work a lot, they had changed a lot of that. They repaired they were repairing that front beam for I don't know how long. Didn't do it well. Didn't do it right. But and so they literally had a couple a two by with a spacer, two by 2 by sixes. They weren't even supporting the trusses. They had little blocks of wood that they nailed and then nailed the truss and the trusses are 24 in off center. So literally the beam is supposed to be with a lot of band-aids.

Yeah. So So a lot of that's So I don't know what the original width of that beam would have been because the beam we eventually pull it out. There was one section of the whole beam that really when I started to literally fell out, it was it was that bad. And it's two 4x five sections of old old wood which is kind of nailed together. Um and yet the others the other part. So

I don't know what the original width of that beam is supposed to be, but I can make it a little bit bigger, wider, whatever to fit. And that would be the only thing I would want to do is try to match. I feel like that's absolutely fine on on my end compromise to make to to make the beam wider to fit the this the width of the cap. So you don't have any I don't have any issue with that existing footage, right? And so it means that that beam is going to really be proud and prominent on the house in relation to the roof line. It's going to pop.

Well, not necessarily. I mean if you look at your your plan even the square column has certain portions which where the cap projects beyond the beam. So I mean it's an issue that you would have had to uh come up with some you know it might have been my poor drawing. I was trying to make it more floor the floor than than the ceiling. Yeah. Anyway, my goal was my goal is to make all that match. Uh, so it was, you know, kind of a seamless be mainly because I want to be able to put the the bracing up there, right?

The bracing itself is like 20 $30 for you put a square just to put the the top brace and the bottom racing. It's like 20 $30 just the appropriate bracing. So it would be helpful to know like what this dimension is on these the ones you're proposing and what the dimension is on the existing so that we can understand how like are we talking about three inches? Are we talking about half an you know terms of the actual cut sheet like this is too too much of a gesture of what it is and you know if we were to say yes to this it could end up much wider than the taper could be wrong the capital etc. So I think getting the actual cut sheet will be important.

And is it possible to clarify I guess uh to be accurate with the time period like what exactly our options would be? I think for me it's like looking at the columns versus like the what is it? What's the railing details? It just seems like the design doesn't really the spindles. Yeah, the spindles. It doesn't really align because it doesn't because the railings that were replaced probably like whenever that higher railing was put in the code. Okay. Those could have been put in. So you can look at other port and then there's one right across.

I mean that has a very simple I guess what railing would go along with this type of column from you that corner. Oh yeah just random. Frank. Frank. Yeah, he's Frank. Yeah. And that's just like simple square. Square, but then square. Would wouldn't square go a square more than round? No. So, you want the variation was my thought. Straight against curve design. So, that's like a really simple option to do, but that's why it's hard because you're trying to match a non-historic spindle. And I think it should be that the column is comes first and the spindle comes cheap.

Unless you find a historic photo and you find a great railing, you can we do go with the round columns to the right size. We can maintain the spindles that we have, right? because there is big I suppose it's like these are also like round columns as well but are the like they're a little bit slimmer than the current ones we have but would that be accurate to the house is my question this house if it is earlier could have had something like this like your neighbor's house I think this this is what the historic this is the fabric that you have right now um so if you don't want to do oh over on parsonage right

I those are that's great point Like I've been trying to look at like the local designs and and kind of closer to more the timing of the home. At least I'm guesstimating. I don't get your background. We'll be 100% honest. She just doesn't like the colors. You get your Heather too, right? With the cladding. So they will Oh, no. Not not the wrong colors. I think there is something that is competing, you know, with the the non-historic spindles too. The design of them do not m like that like the picture from across the street. Yeah. Like a very simple square spindle like across the street from you. I think it it

kind of jives much better with that round column. Um for me, I don't mind the round as long as the structure is solid and if we can make it work so well. I'm not throwing you under the bus. I mean, now you were saying there are a lot of examples in the district if you and it doesn't have to be like um perfectly square. I know my dad had drawn it perfectly square. It's like I'm open to different designs. I just would like to know what options and I don't mind that. I mean, I don't know if the library would have any possible historical books on the I know I think there is a village of spring historical book to

we do have historical books but uh I guess finding you know some documentation of what was there historically that's another challenge you know talk have you looked at the digital um a photo database for the Putinham History Museum. They're great. That's a huge data. You can look at it from home. Um you look at the neighboring properties because sometimes you can see it down and then you can zoom in on a little portion of your build. It's it's really fun. The play history detective. Oh yeah.

Um so they have a great resource. Um also that sepia colored book is a great resource. And you're on Main Street. There are a lot of parades. Your house might be in the background. Yeah. We found a lot of things that way. Even I mean we could look at the national where the district. Yeah. If at the time the district was created that one pager from the 80s and the other thought that I had is regarding

like timing and so before my parents leave they're leaving in October is like we certainly want to have the project complete completed. So, I'm I want to make sure that I'm not stalling uh the project because I'm frustrated with the columns. Well, and and in terms of going with either one, I think

I want to make sure that we're doing the right thing for the property because it's 100 some year old that it's okay 100 years from now. uh the the the whole property I didn't know it was in historical district otherwise I might have rethought this but the the whole front porch for example was built fairly or redone fairly recently because of the structure of how the structure is I can see because they use the hanging straps you know they use which are fairly new the galvanized hanging straps and you So on put it together. So it's this porch was not built in 1925,

right? I I and and that's why I asked for like where are the permits and so forth. So for me to help understand what is appropriate is difficult. So that's why I always just go what what would I do from a

I think if the spindles and the structure of the borch otherwise is remaining the same then to me this is a replace this this would qualify as a more or less replacement in kind of the columns um so design of the columns feels a bit kind of I don't want to say off the table but less on the table if we are just talking about you know that as what what your application is for okay um if like changing the entire railing system and the spindles and and all that stuff is entering in. Maybe that's a different and larger conversation. Um, but as of now, it feels like the round columns as a replacement in kind would be appropriate in my opinion.

But if we can find something that is as close to exact as the same columns that we have here now, uh, if we can find something a little thinner so that the bases are actually fitting the beam as as possible. run into a problem then with your railings fitting, you know, because you can't grow.

To answer your question, the reason that we're focused on uh on getting it looking like it was in 1925 or 1876, whenever it was built, um is because needs to be appropriate. We're getting a certificate of appropriateness. So essentially, we're not trying to create a museum here. And so that's why we're not really insisting that you rebuild um something in wood. But what we're looking to do is is to uh do the reconstruction of of or at least the repairs that you're um looking to do so that it looks like uh it it is appropriate to the other buildings in the area. So that's that's why we're we were looking at the uh the round column. So

does that answer your question as far as why we're trying to do that? It does. And and so what I was was really focused on before was because it is in a historical district. I was trying to find out what really would be appropriate for that house. And so I was going I was what you said I was trying to think 1925 or whatever and how this house would have looked in that period. Well, that's not happened to go back. Well, and I know and so so I hear what you're saying. It seems to make a whole lot more sense than me trying to figure out what it should have looked like.

Did you see Oliver jaws drop? Yeah. No. So, well, because we're talking about research, right? And like getting the information and there's a lot in books and there's a lot in the museum and on postcards. There's some things that are online and there are these um one sheets done by Columbia University students. Um this one was done in 1975 and there's a photo like this is not a historic representation to the year it was built but it's 1975 but it does take your point that the the portion is not built in 1925. Hope. Oh, so now so what you

I mean now I guess that it is open that you can do a non round one but you got to do a lot of research and come up with or you keep the round ones I guess. Well my question is is when would be the next date that we a what is what? That's what he was serious about. He said said the only thing I remember is that it was like metal railings and he's like show them that and they're going to there even any column. I'm also thinking of um

it looks like there's iron. There's vertical iron the saleserson iron. I'm gonna I'm gonna push harder for my square column. because they're going to be a hund times better than those iron raw iron. Well, but but that's not what you have. Yeah, that's not what you have. You have round ones that presumably were if this presumably those were approved by a historic district.

If it helps, I would like to do further research on the house. Um, and I would actually like to do some Adobe Illustrator renderings like a little more accurate regarding the shape. Um, I'm just like I'm just jokingly thinking to myself like pulling out a couple bucks and being like, "What about in a couple weeks?" Um, no, I understand next month. But I guess until then, is it okay? Yeah, we can send this back to you. Um, maybe now and then. Yeah, next month. But until then, is it okay if we focus on just the rotted beams, the boards, and anything that is accurate to the house, like not including the columns and railings? Yeah, I don't think

there an issue with doing replacing structural. No, I I I mean, but you know, uh you raised a good question is uh there is no historical precedent for Ron Collins on this lease from 19. We don't know that though because these were done after 1975 and presumably they got a permit to put the columns in. So there may be a historic photo with Ron Collins why put on the property. So we I think we need you think there were romcoms before and they replaced them with rod iron. Yeah. No, that's not like an old rod iron. That's like a 1960s. Oh yeah, that's not Yeah, that's No, that's what I mean. They might have gone back

around and they did these things and then when the historic district came around, someone was like, "Oh, I want my house to be what it was." They did research. Let's just not lose if it's like the right momentum. Let's see what's there. and time is like a thing. Totally appreciate that. So, let's quickly turn I think you can you can be assured that we're not gonna force you to go with to but it is I mean you can just look at there's a really good chance that there's a historic photo. Okay. Um I mean if it is original to the house I I still want to follow it then and be accurate. Like I do agree. Um, it's really cool.

Off too because then you're like, "Oh, this is what you look like." Really like fun project because then you just understand the proportions. Okay. Well, let's sort of let's sort of uh summarize where we are. Um, so our recommendation are and you know, we haven't taken a vote on it yet, but our recommendation is that you go to a round. were willing to accept a composite material or a round column. How do you guys feel about that? I I am fine with that. I I've got to figure out how he's going to do the appropriate bracing out of it.

Well, I've got confidence that you're going to be able to figure it out. I will figure it out. Okay. I I guess then the other thing is is that obviously that the handrail is not something which uh also seems to be um you know original or at least uh correct. Um if are you planning on reinstalling what was there? Yes. Yes. Okay. So then the only thing is is really the uh the columns and the structural beams holding up the roof unless given all of the feedback of the board

and the research that you do in the next couple weeks and the photographs you that you find if you want to propose something different I obviously we will we will hear that but the in general the feedback is if the spindles and railing are staying replacement and kind about it, right?

I would love to see if there was something that brought us back and that that showed something really original. That's what I would prefer to do if we're going to go through all the trouble of doing that. So, but we'll that's where they can do some research. How am I going to be okay continuing to try to get my new bean in place? Yeah, I that's what I uh what I want to do is be able to give you a certificate of appropriateness. And so while uh I I think that uh I will call for a vote on replacing the columns with uh round composite material columns. And if you could uh email me that uh literature, then I can include it in the certificate of appropriateness.

Get that to Abigail. Yeah. And she'll get it to me. Um the uh and so and uh otherwise the handrails are all going to be reinstalled. Uh the beams are going to be reconstructed. As you said, you can use pressuret treated wood cladding. Oh, I I usually like to use the Hardy board. Hardy board. Yeah. Okay. Um so uh that's the application. Do I have a motion concerning the application? Somebody have questions about the dimensions and the actual cut sheet and specifications of the proposed columns.

Okay. Does uh realistically does it make a difference as far as our approval? does. Yes, because if it was replaced, it would match the dimensions, but we know it won't be exact because it's these prefab. So, we need to see the cut off. Am I correct that you're going to try and match the existing the dimensions of the existing column, you know, as much as possible. Yes.

If if that's what's required. Yeah. And that's what I would do. Um the we have the one that was put in in in the souththeast corner that where the accident must have been. And if we have that, we should be able to get four more or five more if we need to just to make sure they all match exactly. That would be the goal. And that has the exact same dimensions. But like I said, you can't really tell it from the other ones unless you be able to look real close at this little bitty ring at they call it transition something. I don't know what. But anyway, so yes, I think we should be able to find all of them to that same size.

Okay. uh if there's unless there's a reason for us that they find something that shows something that is more historically accurate that that fits them then I will make sure that you guys are aware of that. Okay, do some does that address your concern?

Um it depends how much documentation they want. Ideally, it'd be nice to see this is the existing capital size and this is back new and I can measure I can measure the both the old rotten ones and the thermoccast one. Would it suffice? Sorry. Would it suffice if if the dimensions if the approval is issued now and the dimensions are provided for the existing and for the proposed and as long as they are indeed the same? Um

well why don't we approve that they are the same and then if it's any different then you let us know. And the only and the only reason we would go different is if he found something that is more historic. But if we found something, I'm sorry. If we found something more historic, we would check back with him first. But if we go forward with exactly what we have, we're talking about exact replacement. Yes. That would have the documentation. That way you can continue moving along and then if there's anything that's that needs to be verified or uh correct, you can come back to us and we'll go over that. All right. So, do I have a motion?

Oh, and my other question is I know the back porch on house we do we provide photos of it, but it has square columns in the original. That's what I don't know. We don't know. No, we think we think that that was built much would be helpful to Yeah. I mean I can try to see if we can find anything on it were just redone probably after 19 like that when that thing he might have mayored the approvals himself I don't know when Tony was mayor but he also was the guy who was doing a lot of the work he would work so but anyway but that sounds wonderful I would make a motion to um approve the application um

as modified as modified. I I'll go over the modifications. There you go. Okay. So, uh the Ron columns, uh composite material, uh the capitals and bases to match existing. Yeah. You don't have a picture of the back on your phone or anything like that. Okay. And uh the beams I can look I might have

the beams are pressuret treated wrapped in already. But I think that that's what you've got, right? The beams are pressuret treated and wrapped in the board. What? Yeah, that's what No, I did not when I first put the whole thing together, I didn't know the beam was rot, right? And I didn't know to the extent it was rot. Yeah. Well, I I'm trying to come up with a description of of what is is being approved and then if it changes

correct. So the ch Yeah. So to to that extent the the new beam will be larger 2x8 versus 2x6 in terms of construction than the current. It will support directly the trusses of the roof

and it then it will be clad with uh a hardy board material. Basically, it's one that's impervious to that looks like wood. U we we could do wood, but pressure treated just doesn't. I mean, to the extent that you can really do it, pressure treat it just doesn't do well. Even though the back by adding the material pressure, the back porch has another one. Does that describe? Oh, yeah. That's on my back porch, too. Yeah. That's nothing. That's Yeah, that's like a Yeah.

Um I'm looking right now through this database to see if there's but and we can send we can send it if we find a photo we'll send it to you. This it just so this is would be nice to have that complete list of all of these resources available to people who are going through this project. We actually working on that right now. We are and we're having adaptation. Come back to us in about five years. Well, we're we're really trying. I'm a retired IT guy. If you need some help, I'm more than happy to help. Careful. Where are you most of the time? Well, I'm bored and that's why I'm building torches. So,

so yeah. So,

okay. So, here are the um here the here's the modifications. So, uh round columns with uh with of composite materials. Um the capitals and bases uh are to match the existing. Um the beams are going to be pressuret treated with Hardy board cladding. The size is a little bit larger than the existing. Uh otherwise everything else is going to match the existing or be the existing.

Okay. So that's the um that's the u submitt. Go ahead. Take Yeah, I need a second. Second. Okay. Uh Lauren, your vote. I Kate. I I you got it. Thank you very much for your time. I really appreciate it. So if something changes going forward, yeah, we'll we'll and you you find something and and want to consider a different path forward, then we are next month. Um here

and if you we find a historic photo, is this this is who we should email it to? Sure. Either you Well, you want to as a retired IT guy.

When I when I retired, my kids told me, "You used to be even if you're going into a big meeting with Dow Chemical or these guys, even two minutes before meeting, you take our call. Now that you're retired, you don't answer your phone." Exactly. And just to let you know what we're sort of hinting at is that we're trying to put together survey of all of the buildings in the district and it's going to be on a database which the the library is going to and it'll be uh you know available to the public because there is a lot of material unfortunately it's just not accessible. you are doing it at the right time because with the AI tools that are being developed, all you have to do really is have your repository with the appropriate labeling of the information

and the AI and have it available, have it searchable, but yes, it's you're doing it at a very good time rather than five years ago. Wow. It would have been much harder. Well, five years ago it was just before co and that was kind of a you know a whole you know avoid but anyways we'll keep your your number candy if we have any issues we know who to call. Oh yeah. Interesting. Yeah. I'm I I worked for Helack for almost 25 years. Yes. But

because we do have a lot of photographs and it's a question of sorting uh labeling, setting up a filing system and you know fitting the things into the files. Okay.

Yeah. So the interesting thing about the AI structure and what it can do which is it's good but you have to be careful. Well it used to be you had to identify put your relational database together with all of those fields named and identified with this type of information and so on. Now it's a matter of being able to just in the in the really the file structure that you maintain putting in the information relative to that and with with the pointers to where they are and it's just merely just a pointer structure. Yeah.

And the AI tools go out and as you know and they will find things human oversight because things are mislabeled. AI picks up the mislabeled things and puts them in as fact. So that's that's the key and that's what you're saying. It used but it used to be much harder because you have to build the relational databases behind it. Now it's all that or just file structure and so but thank you very much for your time. I know we probably kept you much longer. We do. Do we wait on a they submit something now to the building department and John will be happy. Yeah. And

the way that that works is that uh probably over the weekend I will uh create the certificate of appropriateness uh and I will email it to Ken and as well as the building inspector and so he'll have that as part of uh you know uh the file. So he'll it'll be all set as far as we're concerned. Do you now do you need me to do any other work regarding this relative to the modifications because of the uncladding of the aluminum and the beam and doing that? I didn't No. Okay. No, you because you kind of captured it there.

Yeah. I I think the only thing I need from you is uh the catalog cut on on the column. Yeah. We'll get the we'll get and the dimensions. Yeah. The dimensions of the current one and so on, right? Yep. Again, it's important it's important that we get it done so that the structure is solid. And if we do find something down the road that uh is more historically accurate, we can always redo columns and spindles, you know, as long as the structure is solid. It's all I care about. All I care about is that it doesn't fall down before I and I mean go back to Sun City, not not go. Thank you very much. Thank you. side.

Have a good rest of your evening. Welcome. Nice to meet everybody, too. This is a nice I know why they were excited about they they they moved here for a year there. 99 Main Street because they knew they wanted to find a place for years while we looked around. Yeah. And and now I know why. Because this is nice. It is nice. Except for having to walk back up the hill. Keeps us off. Good exercise. part of the uh cold spring physical fitness bill. Thank you. Thank you, Abigail. Thank you for

Okay. Um do we have Romero going once, twice? They were started. Hello. Can you hear us?

Sorry about that. Okay. Okay. Retractable awning. Yes, sir. Okay. The question is is where is this located?

Oh, this is uh the foundry rose. No from car 29 where used to be Hudson Hills. Yeah. They have the uh Okay. So this is Yeah. It's right on Campbell. Okay. Is and that's where you want to install the retractable awning.

Yes. Pretty much it's going to be something similar to the one that the pizzeria have across the street, but it's going to be not on Main Street. It's going to be on Campbell. Uh and retractable. Yeah, it's going to be retractable. So, pretty much we're going to be using it from 11 to two. It's when you know the uh the sun hits the most on that side. uh and also for rainy days. Uh but it will be I will say from 11 to 2:30 uh open and then it's going to be uh again back to the wall.

Do you have any back seats or any catalog cuts or anything of what it looks like? I think we sent all the information to Abigail. Uh all the pictures uh nothing was on the website. The only thing in the packet is the a photo of the existing exterior facade with some umbrellas and chairs. Yes, this is all we have. Okay. I did like a PDF with a how it will look like. Yeah. See if I can

do you know while Aby's just checking um some properties are sit very close to village property um and the sidewalks or adjacent to the sidewalks um are village property. Do you know actually that's a helpful photo Abby if you can go back one. Can they see the same? Um, Aby's gonna share a photo with you just the side of your building.

Yeah. Can you scroll up a little so we can see the ground plane or down a little? You can see the ground. Okay, I see it now. So, do you know what part of this belongs to the property verse the uh the village? Well, to be honest, I'm not sure about that. Uh I know what it will cover all the green things that you see over there on the wall and it will cover all the way until the uh

at the at the beginning of the sidewalk. So, it will be to cover only those three tables we have over there because the problem we're having right now with the umbrellas, it's super windy uh all the time there and it's getting dangerous for us and for people walking or you know uh so that's why we want to put something safe there. Okay. Would the um the canopy be above the window? Yes, it's going to be right on top of the window. Uh like I said, it will be from the uh beginning of that window just to cover all the green stuff that you see on the wall.

All right. Because there are a number of things that uh that were that are done uh which we would like to raise with you. Are you the owners of the of the building? No, we're not. We run the cafe. So you're you uh you run the cafe. You're uh Yes, we we bought the business.

Okay. Because um there was in addition to that astro turf on the wall. Uh there is a little fence there and I don't recall that being submitted to us. There's a fence on the back side. Uh so there there are a bunch of changes that were done which uh we don't have any record of. Okay. All right. And I think what you need to do is you need to talk to um talk to the owner and see if he has any documentation for any of this work. Okay.

All right. Right. And I I think that um uh we need to see what this canopy is going to look like because um you know this is sort of a little uh area and and it it would have a big impact on uh on the structure itself. So, uh, I I mean I we've had instances where people have dealt with a retractable awning and it winds up being a large element uh because needs to accommodate the awning as it's rolled up. So, you know, I I think that uh it's not fair to us to try and imagine what it's going to look like.

Okay. I guess we can investigate it and uh you know prepare some documentation for what it will look like. Okay. I guess we can do that. All right. So um let me ask what

um well yes well I think that we can send them a list one um astrochar Um what's up signage on the front

change? Okay. So uh astroturf on wall uh to uh catalog cutting that reference. Uh we have uh some outdoor flooring. What? Fencing and exterior flooring.

Yeah. And actually on both sides, right?

And it's on wall. It's on wall and and covering part of the railing. Covering part of the wall. The railing. So the should we explain? I think we should explain it.

Sorry. So do you want to explain it or I can? Okay. So just very briefly um there was recently a letter sent um from this board to the mayor. Um there's been some instances in the village where work has been done and it hasn't been approved and it was requested that we actually send this letter to the mayor documenting some of that work. um we're not sure if it went to the owners or to the tenants. Ideally, both would have received the notice. Your building was um flagged as one of those buildings where there are a few elements that have been put up that haven't received approval. So, for example, the astroturf on the wall is is new and isn't something that we would have approved. And so we're in a little bit of a um chasing our tail because this has been seen and the letter's gone out and you're asking for something new, but we need to close the loop on some of these other element that um

Right. Yes. to be honest, uh we didn't know about this whole thing until um we submitted the permit for uh the oning. So, we didn't know about, you know, the 16 um historic district uh board.

Yeah, that we I think that's a real problem for us to work on. Um and to make sure that everyone does know in advance so that your um broker can tell you um your landlord can tell you. Um but there there is a process. Um, I'm surprised your landlord let you let you put that up and didn't buy it. Um, but so we're just trying to figure out the best way to know get you some.

So here here's here's the list that I have and I will send an email in response to this. Um, first thing, uh, as far as the, uh, the awning goes, we need a a catalog cut of the awning or at least something which, uh, shows the awning as it's mounted on the wall. Okay. The size, the height, because it looks like it would be quite a long

projection. So uh I think that you need to look at that carefully. Then the things that have been done which we would like to uh talk about the astro turf on the wall and also there it is on the the railing uh on the front portion of it. Uh there is that fencing on both sides of the uh space. Okay. the the first one uh it was there. Uh we just added the uh the one on top, the tall one.

Okay. Well, but the thing is is that our our beak right now is with the landlord because he allowed he either did things or allowed uh things to happen that are should have been submitted to us.

Right. All right. Um, also you need to verify uh is that portion of the sidewalk available to the landlord or the tenant? Because uh you have to understand that in most instances what we uh the way the village is set up is that the village property begins at at the property line. So, um, you know, my guess is that the property line begins at the the face of that wall. I don't know if that's in fact the case. And if it isn't, has the landlord uh gotten permission from the village to use that property? And I think probably that would be the first thing to start because uh if you can't use that property or you know that the use of that property is not authorized then everything else is pretty much moved,

right? The the owner ideally would have um a site survey, a property survey, but if they don't, what do they do? Well, I I I'm almost positive he does because um if I Well, for example, look at all of the air conditioning and electrical meters projects in Chro. Yeah. I I mean the own the owner when he bought the property, I'm sure had a survey. There is a porch off to the far right with steps leading down. Not saying we go with this assumption, but

that I I remember that that I that I remember the the steps to the back of the porch. Yeah, that was under a previous if it is a straight line then it would follow basically where this you know Yeah. So, so you know there are some things that need to be worked out then and also uh evidently the signage has been replaced and and it wasn't submitted to the board for review. So these are the things that that you need to check out. Um and um with an email,

right? I I'll send an email, you know, repeating this stuff so that at least you can have it as official response from our board. Okay. Amazing.

Right. Um I and you know it's not that I mean you have to understand that uh our problem now is that a lot of people are doing things that are not uh authorized and we're we've been trying to um insist that the proper procedures are followed and uh it's not just your property. There are other other pieces of property. So, um, if you could Yeah. All right.

Perfect. We're going to do our best. All right. You appreciate that. If you have any questions, uh, reach out to Abby. She'll be more than happy to help you. Okay. Perfect. Am I correct, Abby? I have a question. I could do the the awning like using AI or something like that doing it has to be the same color like the same way that it's going to be. That would be helpful if you could give images of it on the building. Okay. How you cut sheet with dimensions and stuff manufacturer would be helpful.

Yeah. And the thing to keep to keep in mind is that uh according to the law, we're not not supposed to comment on the color. So it can be whatever color you want. Okay. Good. Perfect. All right. So we have homework to do. Yes. All right. Thank you so much. Thank you. Nice seeing you. Anybody know what the story is with this guy? This is uh 31 Main Street.

Yeah, I don't I don't know. They haven't submitted anything because it's have left the wall that they will need to make changes to on. They have replaced windows. No, those have those they haven't replaced. Yeah, they have. Take a take a look at this. You can see, oh, there are a ton of different windows in that building. These owners have not replaced windows. They're relatively new owners. All All of Yeah. The new This building sold last year. So, they've so far essentially just replaced rotted wood. I walk by it like every day and they they basically replaced rotted wood siding, trim, and

why is this not expanding for me? All right. But anyways, that's uh 30. Yeah. And they basically So, yeah, I don't they haven't done anything on this wall because they need to get This is a new window and they and on the back they've replaced the windows, but not recently, right? like not within the last year because the bu the previous building owner has a lot of carbon that replaced windows and they were trying to sell it forever stuck in a bar.

Okay, we're going to add it to the list of things that we want the building inspector to look at. back here. I mean, just it would be so great if every building just had a like, hey, you're in the if you a letter in the mail, you're in the village and you know that these are the things that you need to watch out for. I mean, ultimately, unless we sort of make an issue of it, it'll get out of hand. So what? Yeah. I mean, I have to say the first thing with the columns,

that's a perfect example of somebody who could have just done the job and nobody I mean we would if they had just done it with the round columns and replaced them with the fiberglass, nobody would have ever said anything and they left the railings and they did left everything and just put the fiberglass round replacements in. Nobody would have we would not have known. Um I get there they were they were wanting a major change there. So, I'm glad that they came before us, but I feel like Well, well, the thing the thing is an hour and a half almost of talking about it. Um, I know, but the thing is is that uh it is applicants like that that we need to encourage.

Absolutely. That was so successful because like Yeah. I think I'm just commenting on like the fact that they Yeah. that they came before us to get permission when they could have just done it without and and really we would not have known the difference and they they came before us to ask permission which I'm appreciative of and yes I agree that was successful compared to most so many people that own that just do whatever they want and and then there's not even a

like a hand slap. So I'm hoping that this letter goes somewhere. Well, you I mean just the fact that in 1975 they had this row iron column and and railing and it was replaced with wood uh with wood columns.

So my just to jump in on that what I'm struggling with right now is that the people who do whatever um it takes them less time, less money, they do what they want, no burden. the people who try to do things correctly, they get sort of piled on top of and the the process is really unclear. Um, and it and it slows them down. It costs more money and it's a real hardship. Um, so somehow we have to be more equitable and not just say, "Oh, you put a sign up. That's fine to one person and another person there's like jumping." I think I think it um yeah I think we have I think we should be submitting a letter to the board of trustees anytime we see anything that has been done without in without our permission that should have got our permission. It shouldn't be wait. It shouldn't be. And there's another one on Stone Street right now. A signage that was put up without our permission. Not only that, it hanging out over which I know that requires and the cafe also installed. It was between columns and they replaced that with a larger sign. And they also added a sign that is overhanging the sidewalk. There's a name for that, but on an iron bracket,

the perpendicular and they're both on like 2 by 12 spanning the column like the column. So, they added that, which I believe the village requires insurance for if it's hanging over a sidewalk. Well, actually, you have to spend the $500 to pop and go to zoning. And then there's the um to find out you're supposed to do it on how much it protrudes over the sidewalk and if they own the sidewalk. I think Lawrence, which I think they came before us to get permission. Yeah. And I think they own part of the sidewalk.

Well, signage. So, they have to get permission anyways. I was just saying kind of pointing out the extra added thing of it not even being on their like overhanging, but the one on Stone Street is I noticed after we submitted this letter and they this the cafe put their signage up two days after we submitted the letter. So I feel like you know and now they're asking for permission to do something else. So I feel like it's extremely important to be clear with them about what is in violation foundry rose the cafe the cozy corner cafe because they did come before us when they installed their first sign am I correct were you not on there the cozy corner yeah that's what we were just talking to

well where is that keml okay the one that we just discussed okay I'm pretty certain that we approved there first sign which is now hanging on the railing on the side of the building with two more added signs on the main street side. That would have been something more familiar. So maybe maybe Yeah. But I would love to get ahead of it so that it's not like you're in your in rather it's like one of the things that I think this letter that we wrote has kind of um been a springboard for is I I think I told everybody but the

the Highlands current contacted me. I don't know why. I don't know how they got my email. um and wants to do an article on in response to that violation letter and has some questions about it which you guys all saw. Um and then I think I think this is kind of our opportunity to say yeah there's a historic district. This is why it was created. these are studies that show that like property values are are better when and they are rising when there's a historic district and and this is our role and so that it's like more clear like one of his questions was like is a is a is a broker or the owner of a building obligated to tell people that it's in a historic district? I don't know.

I don't I don't think there's a state law about that. Well, it doesn't have to be a state law. could be local ordinance. Yeah. um to think about.

But I I guess you know the question is and I I while an article is all nice and good, I don't think that is going to solve a problem because a lot of these people are going to do what what they can until they get stopped and you know we can have all the articles that we want and you're not going to stop that. I mean, uh, there have been a whole history of of, uh, and it's not even, you know, midnight construction because it's usually construction during the day because the building inspector was part-time and he he wasn't here during the day. And, you know, most of the people on the board were working. And so the best time to do something without getting all the proper permits is during the day.

I feel like right now if an article were to be written, it would be good to generally educate people. And yes, you can still ignore that. But the the result of that article could be that we then recommend to based on the village feedback, right? how everyone receives it and what they can write a letter to the mayor proposing something like a village requirement that any property owner provide to their new tenant um or any broker provide to a prospective owner the fact that this isn't the historic district and some link or something that explains what the significance of that is so that people when they put something up we don't have to say are they being sneaky or do they just not know and decide on sort of if if we just like them or if we feel bad for them and then either way like what we're going to do about it. If we're going to just start charging them 500 bucks a day or we're not because we feel bad again like it's too emotionally charged and they want be what it is. Everyone should be treated the same should have the same opportunity

because they don't want a building. I I think that certainly that is something that we can do the article something that we can do and and we should do but um I don't think that's going to solve the problem just

I don't think anything is going to sol hard stop stop stop stop stop people from trying to do things and get away with it but I think that you can only go up from where where we are now right like awareness and education will move the needle some amount and that's better than not moving it at all and this is is a perfect example, the cafe. Like I thought that they got approval for that sign. Maybe they did that without our approval all like two years ago and now it's just a snowball effect that they've done all these other things and they genuinely did not know that they needed to ask permission and now the side of that building looks like crazy like we would never have allowed that.

And if they had gone through if they did know had gone through the entire process properly in advance and you know done the zoning check etc. and been good eggs and then realized they couldn't do what they wanted to do or they could do what they want to do and they did it but they had that whole burden. They would be livid if someone else just put up a sign and no one said anything. And that's what's happening right now. People are being good at and doing the work and then seeing their neighbors getting away with something and they are pissed off and they're saying why am I doing this? I am this is BS. Why am I doing this? No one else has to. Yeah.

And that's not fair. And I think that's our job to fix that. Can a letter maybe be sent out to like each of the buildings in the district? Well, um, every two years or something like that just to remind people a friendly one-page like, you know, we have a little bit of a budget here. I know that's another thing to do and accomplish. But if you have a boilerplate letter that just says this is to inform you in case you're a new owner, like your your building is in the historic district. Here is a link to our guidelines. if you do blah blah blah blah blah you know and then it's like you can't really hide when you've been notified

I think our guidelines then also like the process of getting through the various steps they are there but it could I know we touched it before but be a little bit more clear once again based on my experience going through the process when you touch more than just the board that's choosing over who's with what plan etc. Um, and the village has email, if you signed up for emails, email us all the time. Bloodborne and sandbag. Yeah, you know, that just went out. So, I don't think it has to be the cop mailing. It could be just if you're on the email distro list, you could receive

this information. Um, how about if we ask the village to include a statement about the historic district and when we have come up with a statement that they include it with the tax bills. Yeah, that's great. Yeah, it comes late too late for doesn't help tenant and it comes too late to be bought a property. Well, everybody needs, you know, the whole point is is that we it becomes part of the regular step

process, right? Right. That way, nobody can sit there and say, "Oh, gee, I didn't know. I didn't know."

Also, like if if and when meeting this Kate would lecture, we should put like a Kate, another Kate Kate Wood, we should put a a flyer for it in all the mailboxes and district. and she's a great speaker and she's I think and like I think we should just be doing a lot of these things like what you said with the tax bill with getting people excited about it with also submitting like I don't feel comfortable just being a a naysayer you know after the getting people in trouble but but if we do a combination of things better

okay I I I think that in addition to uh the HDRB database minutes. Uh notification. Okay. Um why don't we talk about uh the Kate Woods educational lecture for 2025? So tell us Lauren, what what

um so we have to propose a few dates and the location for this. Um Kate is not going to charge us at all. Great speaker. She's really engaging. She's really knowledgeable. Um she knows a lot of people in building trades in the Hud Valley. like she she is just like a really great resource for anybody with a with a historic property um to be able to speak to if they have a project coming up. Okay. I would I would suggest not during the summer. Well, fall. Yeah. Yeah. So, we just have to we can do it in this room. She needs a screen for a PowerPoint presentation.

We could do it in this room. I could see if the chapel would put us because it's awesome. They want the event that to feel special and I think would be that would make it special. We would need to bring a screen there. Well, the other other place that uh we've had things like that presentation is a firehouse. The history museum also has a great room and it's obviously tied. Um, the Putinham History Museum, they have the map and historic documents and they posted I went for a Chamber of Commerce breakfast and they had bigger than Do You think it fits more than that? It did. Yeah.

I Well, I know. That's what I'm thinking. Could feel like could feel really cool, but then also totally empty but less empty than like I don't know the big room. I don't know. I don't know that room. So yeah, there's like a hundred people that can fit in there. Oh, okay. And you spread out over the I thought that was actually a safe place because it was like you're in these little seats and um for doing is there museum is a good idea. There's a cost to staffing and setting the space up, right? Um assuming it's your suggested donation, I think for the

Yeah. Um, okay. So, uh, do you want to take the lead on this, Lauren, and, uh, identify a date and a location? I could do that. Um, is there I mean, should we be do you guys think it should be like Saturday morning or week night or like what are what are we thinking we get the most? I would kind of defer to her. Yeah. She may have well she may have opinion on what gets the most people but also like her availability like right giving up a weekend is different than a week night

and also weekends is same problem that you have during the summer people may be away. So uh typically if you want the best turnout it would be in the evenings. Do you agree from a parent perspective on that? I don't know. You think a weekend would be better for But I don't know. We can I can ask her. Um Yeah. So, but you think like I can talk to the chapel and I'll keep you guys in the loop about like, hey, this weekend.

Yeah. And also talk to the to the um the fire department because they they have a big room and it's been used often in the past by for village functions. Yeah. So the one of the things that I talked about with her and she she put it perfectly. She was like you guys have the stick but you don't have carrot. We don't have a strict tax credit which is

really um the thing though what I was what we were talking about kind of talking what she could be lecturing about is like maintenance of properties. Like she says these really great things like old houses were made with hands and can be repaired with hands. You know, it's just like she's she's got these really great ways of talking about things and I think it could be make people but is there anything like that and I told her that a lot of the applications we get are for replacement materials and replacement windows and like those are majority of the applications we get. Um I mean I don't know with what we're trying to do now get the database going for research but I think the biggest hurdle is people don't know what they're supposed to do and I don't know if she can give a even if it's a tea up to what we're doing that this there will be research or she can explain the process of it a bit or if we want to do that before she starts but at some point

right I think that that hurdle what our process no sorry there's that too but just um like she has columns on my front porch and I don't think the ones I have are stored. I want to do these square ones. So she has a lot of online lectures like one of them is like so I bought a historic house now what like the title of one of them. So like I think some kind of combination helpful. Yeah. Another thing we talked about is like um like people are applying like contemporary energy efficiency standards to historic buildings when old houses are meant to breathe. Yeah.

Buildings are meant to breathe and like so once you you put another liner in or you put the tyveck in it kind of like sets off that

well certainly that that would be uh you know complying with modern codes. I think the energy efficiency angle is an important one because there's a lot of misinformation out there specifically about that as relates to historic structures and historic materials. So, I feel like that actually is a very good idea that should absolutely be touched on because you I mean we've heard so many times people come in here, oh my old my old windows, well, we just we don't want to lose, you know, a fortune on the oil bill. And it's like that's it's such a more complex argument than that. Um, but that's just what everybody is told. So they come in and they're like, "Oh, I have to replace my windows immediately because they're old or I have to do this because it's old. I have to replace this."

Yeah. So that's a I think that's a very good Yeah. Right. And so you can talk a lot about like, well, storm windows are red, you know, transom windows for open, you know, for air circulation, stuff like that. And well, another thing she says is when old windows are uh you can replace them. You could repair them forever basically. They're such good quality and they like the parts be repaired by anybody really and then if you needed Yeah. You need to like need to replace the entire unit. So something for people that I don't think people realize.

Well, the thing that you have to keep I think it's something that we should talk we should have her talk about. But the thing that you have to keep in mind is that uh a lot of the windows that we're seeing now are not the old they've already been replaced. What? They've already been replaced. Yeah. So, you know, we're dealing with with a variety of different issues on that do. So, all right. if you if you could work up um the dates, the place

and uh you know an outline I mean talk with her and see for a presentation how you know how many different topics she wants to cover because yeah maybe it' be good to get all of it. Um, okay. The one thing she did ask is she doesn't she's not going to charge a fee, but if we could put whatever we were going to pay her into advertising the lecture. So, I think Okay. Well, then then we need to identify the place of location. Right. No, I know. But I just wanted to say that that was something she requested before we get

I'm sure we can do that, Abby. Am I correct? Printing posters. just signing a poster. Signing apostle. Okay. Uh let's move on. Uh database. I did mine finally. Thank Praise the Lord. I did mine.

Good. All right. Four out of four. Um I I guess the question that I I do want to raise because uh Kimberly is she's the one who's supposed to formalize it, but I I do need to talk with the librarian. Uh the size of my the file for my house is 3 megabytes. So, uh, if we're talking about 300 parcels, average, three megabytes, we're talking about 900 megabytes.

A gigabyte, a gigabyte. So yeah, I mean I think I think mine was considerably more than three megabytes, but and makes me think it's a in large part the number of photos and yeah, the size and size and so maybe something we don't have any of your photos put in there yet. Yeah, all the photos you can do this

and maybe they should remain just as a tagged reference file then it doesn't because putting a photo in a PDF and then exporting it really blows up the PDF or if it's just a word document and it references the image. I know it's not Oh, I'm sorry. I won't start talking about because I don't want to talk about process right now. We're getting so far but like and did we already have the exact conversation? I probably because it's like has to just live in the file. It doesn't matter once a cell is in the follows if somebody if we have to meet I might have No, you know, I know we just like heard it too much and I probably just like froze and didn't and I don't know.

No, you weren't here at last meeting. Um it gets stuck in the spiral and I don't want to go there at all right now. I think we established that as much as possible needs to live in the file because it is way too complicated. Other things maps will live in the folder. The historic maps will live in the folder and if somebody wants to also put it in their actual document they can do that. Otherwise the map PDFs will live in the folder. Everything else file file file. Yeah. Well except the photographs. Oh literally this is what they

I mean my question would be how many photographs do we have as part of the the database? I took several hundred photographs. So if we want them to live in the database that is I think it was over I don't know it was many hundreds of megabytes right um well that's that's the whole point I think that

to me it's like why if we're talking about like free storage up to a gig or $3 a month for a 100 gigs of information we should be paying the hundred we should be paying so we don't run into an issue of like needing to downsize and and and start monitoring stuff. Um and this is assuming 300 documents completed which we know we are you know that is not happening anytime soon but I feel like storage should not be entering into the equation for our decision-m process.

Well I take it I disagree because uh the storage is something which we're asking uh butterfield library to provide. So we are but but if it costs money then we need to pay for it. Okay. But the thing is is that ultimately as far as public access uh the the files that we have on on Google documents is not accessible to the public. What's going to be accessible to the public is the library. They are hosting it on Google Drive. Okay.

Accessible to the public. That is where they will be hosting it. What do be acceptable to the public? Not why. But why do we want to do that? Sheets at the library. The library is going to be hosting. They they are going to be on their home computer have access permission granted from us as a board. They have per viewable permission for this portion of of Google Drive or whatever new Google Drive we create. They have permission to read it. They do not have permission to edit it or revise any of the documentation.

Yeah, that's not the way I understood what she was talking about. You weren't and I weren't at the meeting. Yeah. Well, neither of you two were at the meeting.

I was, but I think that's very similar. She said there could be a link on their homepage that goes to the database and it could either be stored in the cloud or it could be stored on their server. Um it's it's sort of malleable and as far as who has granted access to edit or to view it could be that the general public could have something simple and the librarians actually would have the capacity to go in and get provide more information. I think she was open to law and I actually wrote notes on it so I could review but I don't Well, I I'll talk with her because what concerns me is that if we have it on the Google Drive, which is part of the village infrastructure after we're off the board, who's going to maintain it?

That's my mistake. I That was my operating assumption. If the v if the library is willing to host it on their servers or on their their cloud, then by all means that's that's that's my mistake. So that should be how it's done for sure. Any future board members? Yeah. Yeah. But I think that the the the overall point that the public has access but viewable access only, right? um not the permission to you know upload or change documents. Okay. So essentially one gigabyte as a starting point,

excuse me,

is what she needs to uh at least provide as far as uh and we can transfer to her the files that we think are ready. In addition to that, I mean there are uh I have some electronic documents which are scans of um of uh paperbacks which I'm not sure I don't even remember where I got them but there was uh a lot of historic documents which are uh digital and basically I I do want to put them somewhere and not necessarily on a floppy disc.

I think as long as it's organized well, the more information the better. So, you know, you double click our HDRB folder and there's a folder that says, you know, historic home documents. There's a folder that says photos 2025 photos of the historic district. There's a folder that says scanned yada yada book, whatever. Like as long as it's organized so people can get to where they need to go clearly, I feel like the more information the better. Okay. Because I know the other thing which they like to do is for some reason postcards. Yeah.

I've got a whole bunch of copies of postcards. Okay. I I will take like Why is it so hot in here? Is it just me? It's funny. I was like so cold. Thousand degrees. No one else. Okay. It's like manopause. All right. Moving on.

Yeah. I have it. Right. Um, let's talk about the reporter. About what? The reporter. Um, obviously Lauren and I will need to talk with the guy. Anybody else want to be part of that conversation?

Chicken. Well, he had too many money, right? Well, okay. Well, that's because I was like, you should talk to everybody, you know, but he was like, no, I don't want that. Is there any legal reason why we cannot talk to a reporter, though? Wow. Wouldn't a legal workshop have been nice by this point in the year? Um, well, here's what my foot my initial reaction is is that we should do it and have it record. Yeah. So, you're come in here, we record it and he'll record it and you and I can talk to him and have it recorded.

Okay. I never said that. But it is it makes sense to flag it to our lawyer, right? In case he in sense what to flag it to the village lawyer in case he has any Yeah, I think she does it all the time. Yeah, I I think ultimately what we need to do is uh need to let the board of trustees know that we're having these conversations and that an article will appear in the current.

Um so when do you think you want to do this? He well he wrote to me when I was away and then um wanted to do it this week and so when I wrote back to him I said no. Um but he said maybe the following week. Okay.

And I think he said Monday or Tuesday I can Monday or Tuesday or something would be best for him. He also said weekend. When are you here during the work week? Tuesday every day. So if we pick a certain day, uh would you be able to set it up so that it's recording the conversation that we're having with Yes, but it would have to be Yeah.

Oh, I don't know. give you a schedule of when the available times are. I'll give you a schedule of when the available dates and times are. Sometimes they have meetings in here. Okay. All right. Because I I would like to have that if nothing else. Uh, and if anybody from the board of trustees wants to see what is being said, they have a document that they can they can look up. Oh, Kate has a good point. I got nervous about it that we can record on our phones. Yeah. Then you can

anytime you have Yeah. Well, it sounded like he he well he was willing to go to a phone conversation, right? But I just mean you wouldn't have to book this room and the TV and coordinate. You can whatever time works for you two. You just bring your the app, you know, voice recorder and you turn on the app and then we capture the meeting. Okay. But then how do we make that available to the board of trustees?

Email the file just like you would a photo, but it's a voice file. You can email it to you want to us the board. Just an option. Okay. All right. But if you could let us know if slots are available when we do that, we can set it up. We're talking about next week, right? Right. Okay. Minutes last.

Oh, and I don't Is this the last thing on the agenda? Um, fourth point. I don't think it was deepened the house. Wasn't it just widen and taller?

You remember? Can we just can we change the fourth bullet point to say height um height width and height of house changed for additional square footage and ceiling height because that's the gist of it right wanted more ceiling height the first I'm sorry

width and height of the house um changed for additional square footage and ceiling height. However, the structure is still on. Speaking of which, uh four or eight? They were four. They were very square, so they would have been Oh, no. You're right. They probably were eight. Yeah, they would have been eight. They were small, right? They were They were small. They were small. those two windows. We did agree that it was not uh wasn't supposed to have any buttons, but I talked with him and he said he was going to change it. Huh.

You went back to the video. No, I I just remember this the discussion. Um but I haven't gotten the revised during the drawings yet. Okay. The board proposed the following changes. The third bullet point should be lowering. Correct. Lowering the brick foundation. Lowering the brick veneer. Yeah. Well, actually, no, I take it back. Uh the he was talking about raising the grade. No, but also lowering the veneer.

Raising the grade, but also lowering the brick veneer considerably from like the bot to from the bottom of the window to like half of it. lowering the brick. Yeah, brick veneer.

Um,

and sorry, did you get that on the top? It was eight over one double window over one. Not present. Not present. Okay. Um, did um, Greg Ponus did did he want to come talk to us about the Foundry Cafe or the the foundry rose? No, here tonight.

Huh? They were on the agenda though. That's why they're on the minutes because No, I know. I know. But there was uh you sent an email about somebody who wanted to come talk to us. Well, there was he came to visit uh Village Hall. He owns the Foundry Rose and you guys said there was um reduced the size of the windows, right? The windows and I think maybe as well. So, he had a couple questions about that. How to go about resolution and I suggested building permit, but I just wanted to know what the process is if the windows are not in compliance. What would

How would they I don't think you would want to take them out, but how does that usually work? Would you just approve it for this take? We've never done this before. I have not. I Yeah, but we would not be approving that. Mayor, are you doing a clarification? Mayor, have you had any inst?

Um, I think we have. I think I I think there was one instance where we actually had them change something, but I can't I can't think of what it what it what it was. Um, but I think that that that's what we should talk to him about. What did he do with the old windows? Oh, sure. Trash. He didn't do like a temporary shrinking of the opening. They like frame the opening in like considerably and shrink the window windows.

Well, I think that, you know, if nothing else, we should threaten to have him reinstall the windows the way that they were before. I mean, that's in addition to the that green astroturf thing, the fence that was erected down the entire property line that also didn't get permission, right? None of which is in Yeah. compliance. None of which we would have approved.

Is this is the is this part in our court though? Like if Abby is now fielding question, don't shouldn't we talk to the village board and the mayor about what the actual procedure is? Like procedures for what? I mean either I I think that we should be able to site it. The issue boils down to and this is this is going to be a problem that um if we don't have our own building inspector I don't think the town inspector even though they did get hire somebody else is going to investigate this stuff. No, but I think that's why the the burden is on us as a board to be flagging whatever we see and bringing it to their attention. And then yes, it is their responsibility. I mean, we threatened in or didn't threaten, but we included in our letter per village code chapter yada yada yada, you're subject to a fine of X dollars per day. Like, we don't have any

Yeah, that's what I'm asking. Should can we we need to talk to Kathleen about what the village could do, right? Well, the the village needs to take needs to apply the uh the fines, right? But for example, if someone's coming to our board and they they're like, I don't want to replace my windows like can we are we actually saying to them, you are going to be fine. We could yes or not. Well, we don't have any we don't have any ability to enforce that. So, we're relying on these other parties to talk to them. We can whatever

we can raise an issue of non-compliance with uh our the district guidelines not not the district guidelines with the they didn't comply with the uh village ordinance chapter 64 which we did right so now Aby's getting this guy is coming in to ask her how to resolve the issue and and Abby needs to know and we need to know what we are saying and I think the well we we need to you know know exactly what we want him to do

right so is the next step him coming in and asking us talk with him and see what uh he's willing to do but that's not that's not I mean what he's willing to do is neither here nor there well because then like the entire thing is just do whatever you want and oh well I can't afford to change it and then we're left saying okay you're then you have our approval. No no I mean we we need to know what it is that we feel he should do.

Well his fence is not not even in like compliant with what our standards say it should be and the windows were shrank to like extremely different. Why is why does the the the side the side fence? Why is it fence is like I think it's like made it like looks kind of like shipping pallet like wood. I know, but it's it's a a standard fence where the uh the boards overlap. Okay. So then if it if you're satisfied with that and it does fit in some way to our standards, I mean the windows certainly don't we would not have approved that. So I know so

about where something is located in our house. I'm sorry. So I think that what we can do is we can um you know if we feel comfortable with the the height of the the fence because uh there's a change in grade. Yeah. And so the question is how high is the fence? I have to go down to it's probably three or four I would guess.

Well, yeah. I I think the issue Abby is that he needs to come in so that we can discuss this with them and see what he what he's offering as far as mitigating the non-compliance that he has. I mean certainly I think that it needs to take down the astrour. Yeah. Right. But what if it's like a bigger thing?

Well, it is because the windows I mean I would not have voted to allow those windows to be changed. And I'm sorry there is one thing it is one thing to not know that the historic board exists or what standard protocol is but you can't change you like anyone knows that if you are replacing a window and framing reframing an opening you need a building. like like same that's the same thing with uh 31 Main Street, right? So it's like replacing a window is a build building permit thing and they did it without a building permit. So to me it's undoing it or it's changing it in a way that is satisfactory to to us, right?

Like we would not have voted to approve that defense. Sure. Like I mean that So, are they getting fined $500 a day until they come meet with us? Like, how do I mean, no, obviously not, but like is what I don't what's the like and then do we need to have them come meet with us like right away? Like Abby today was like, should I put them on the agenda? And I Well, I would have been I sent him the link, too. Oh, he could have come. Okay. All right. He knows when it is.

Okay. All right. I you know I I think that it would I would have been more than happy to um to go over what we need to do on for each of these um instances identify what the things which are not acceptable or which yeah okay in our letter I know but that's changed other words in the letter for example Um, let's see. Let's go down the list. All right. How about the massage parlor? Has that been addressed? No, nothing's been addressed. Okay. Um,

not yet. I think they have some sort of plan. Take down the vinyl lettering in the windows. I hope it's much bigger than that. closing. Yeah, probably. Next, uh 129 131 Main Street Marine Plasty Corner who we met with. Yeah. No. Yes.

No. That That's This is the Oh, okay. You're right. You're right. um side of the building with collaborate siding woven into the wood ballasters. Addition wood pan floor wood panel floor veneer was added to the sidewall. In addition, there are fencing there are fencing elements that were added on either side of that seating area. Okay. Um so I don't know if you want to write write that in, but that Well, I I think I think we should. Yeah, you wrote it off. You wrote it off here.

All right. Um, yeah.

You guys be open summer. Do you guys reopen set up a workshop for violations? People coming in to resolve those issues because I know 40 main also has one garage doors I think two weeks time if they're willing cooperative to be that be enough time. You can get 129 Main Street with their awning with the foliage and with whatever else they have. Then you could also get grip guns for 55 main street and I guess possibly into if they are approved for zoning board which I think they won't be some other issues but if they are then maybe even getting that that's a larger project but

the suggestion and I know there's a sign there's going to be temporary signage for 14 Main Street but we're still trying to work out how that's supposed to work because if the signage is temporary and the intent to take it down, then we're trying to figure out if that constitutes 14. Yeah. 14 Main Street. They're putting a store in that sell like crystals and oils and does readings and stuff on the other side of the other side of the track. Yeah. Lower Main and I think it's on by Northern. They have two entrances.

Oh. where the I forot it's close that's 26 but they're moving they're moving to the old it's it's the one next to the Argentinian that sounds

yeah they they because they wanted to do signage but then they said they didn't want to rush it so what they want to do the temporary signage but it's going to be a banner like it's going to be big so I'm not quite Sure. We're still trying to figure it out at the building department, but if that's something that you would like to, you know, workshop, that'd be great. I think I don't want to elongate that process, but Well, what is it that they want to do? Um, they want to put a temporary line. It's going to be a banner like across I think the entrance from Main Street. Yeah. I'll order the materials.

We just tell them that they can't put a banner out because would not allow that. Well, no. If if you take a look, the issue of a banner is covered in the guidelines and as long if it's temporary then it doesn't need to be. What counts? Well, that's a good question. waiting six months. There is a definition of temporary in in the uh I think we should uh vote to approve these minutes before we forget that. Right. All right. Do I do I have a motion concerning minutes?

I vote to approve the minute. I move to Do you? Yes. All in favor say I. I. Okay. Um the deli is 72 Main Street. That hasn't been hasn't changed. Um the sign the brick wall that's painted with their

nobody's belly. So, the owner owner put in an application um a building permit application for the signage. I followed up with just a couple more concerns and at that point I hadn't gotten a response, but I can send him a reminder. Usually, he's um willing like recently applied for them. No, this has to be like at least three months. So, she possibly got a permit for the sign? No. No, they didn't. Okay. All right. All right. Now, the issue with the signage

with that signage is not necessarily the fact that it was painted. It's the size of the of the sign, which is a a zoning issue. So, it's not even the HDRP issue. Um, okay. 40 Main Street, uh, non-compliant alteration to storefront. That's the apothecary with the garage door that they Has that changed in any way? I think Abby just said they were wanting to come in to talk.

So, they weren't willing, but I don't know if I can say this. There is some leverage because they have a building permit that they need to renew. That's something that I can address in the same email. Um, that was a I mean that was a very blatant. They had approval from us for a door and they did something completely different. So that wasn't like oh I forgot to apply or I didn't think I needed to. Like they came before us. We approved something for them and then they did something completely different. So that was kind of a a flagrant violation on purpose on their part. Like they they didn't just forget. They did something. It's not a little different. It's like a completely different thing.

It's a person who owns many properties in the building. I think kind of story. Okay. And then we had 55 Main Street talked about

now. That's Greg Pagonis again. Okay. And I I think that um um for each of these things, what we ought to do is identify the corrections that we feel are necessary from uh the HDRB. I mean, for example, nobody's telling there there really is not an HDRB issue.

So, why do we include letter? Well, I mean, maybe we shouldn't have. That's basically it's the size of the sign, which is a a zoning issue. The same thing is true. But that didn't we look at this though when we were writing a letter right this was brought up I think and we and we have standards that sizes well whatever I referenced I I don't think there is I mean it was one of the things which we said it must comply with zoning

and so it does if it's not in compliance with zoning which it doesn't then it doesn't meet our standards either now what about uh the woman with the fence, the back fence that faces the street. No, no. What? I I think what we probably need to do is uh make a list of HDRB issues that we need to follow up on because that that's not on the list. Which one is that?

This is the swimming pool woman. Oh. Oh, yes. Yeah. As a matter of fact, well, she was on the the old business or in square. I mean, should I keep putting them on the No. Okay. Over the phone and I've sent her a few emails. So, one or two months, I can I can follow up. Yeah. that. And also, uh, how about the the zoning issue with, uh, one depot?

Um, they were supposed to go to hearing next week, but, for some, I mean, this could definitely be on my, but for some reason the notice did not publish in the first issue or the first run. Um, so it's they're going to have to revote at the next zoning meeting. So it looks like it's going to be at least a month from that. Okay. Were they in So in other words, they were not in compliance with the zoning orders. Is that correct? No, they haven't.

They they seem No, they I think we feed on the sideyard. That's the only thing. They they review their application. They voted to the line coverage. They're they're okay. I I believe so. I don't remember them any but um they're no longer going. I'm actually really upset. They're no longer what

they're not going to they're not having the public appearance because it didn't run didn't run past

has the planning board or the public hearing is that going to be a planning board public hearing or zone? So the planning board they they're not going to hear they're they are not No. They are reviewing the application for Would you like the heat on? No, I'm okay.

I mean, sorry, the AC, not sure. I got you. All right. Anything else? Do I have a motion to adjurnn? I make a motion to adjurnn. Second. All in favor say I. I. So be it. So where did we land? I have all of the stuff in violation.