City Council - Regular Meeting

call to order this city of lexington city council meeting the date is august the 24th 2026 we have we usually like to start our meetings with an invocation and i have asked councilman curry to deliver that invocation for us this evening whenever you are ready councilman

Let us pray. Most holy in all lives, God, we come together this afternoon thanking you for another day. We pray for wisdom, knowledge, and understanding as we go about this important work. We pray, God, that we'll continue to work together on one accord, doing the work that you have placed before us. We thank you for all blessings that we have this evening, and we pray that you will cover each and every person here with your precious blood. For it is in your name we pray. Amen.

Amen. Thank you, Councilman Curry. If you're able, please stand and join us in the Pledge of Allegiance.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Thank you. Next up, council, just some housekeeping notes. First of all, as it relates to conflict of interest, please take a moment, as I'm sure you have, to review the agenda. Council members are reminded of their duty to avoid conflicts of interest. Does any member of the council have an actual or potential conflict of interest with respect to any matter on the agenda this evening? Thank you. Also wanted to offer to the public that there is a public comment sign-in sheet here at the desk to the front. All members of the public wishing to speak during public comment should please sign up to speak on the sign-in sheet at the speaker table in council chambers. And city clerk, has there been any change at all to the agenda for this evening, or is it as presented to council? Great. I'm sure council's had an opportunity to look over the agenda for this evening and your meeting packet agenda. I need a motion to adopt the agenda as presented.

So moved. Second.

I have a motion by Councilman Welber, a second by Councilwoman Klass. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Are there any opposed? The agenda is adopted. Thank you. Next up is the approval of minutes. And these are the minutes that were included in your meeting agenda packet for the regular meeting on August the 10th, 2026. Are there any suggested revisions or amendments to the minutes? Seeing and hearing none, the motion then to adopt the regular meeting minutes from August the 10th, 2026. So moved.

Second.

A motion by Councilman Myers, second by Councilwoman Klass. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Are there any opposed? Excellent. Next up, counsel, we have presentations, proclamations, and recognitions. I did have a couple of guests that I wanted to recognize this evening. One is Ms. Angela McDuffie, who is the sitting chair for the Lexington City School Board. Thank you for being here this evening, Ms. McDuffie. And then also I noticed Ms. Janice Hurley, who is the executive director of Davidson Medical Ministries and also DC Connect. Thank you for being here this evening, Ms. Hurley. Next up, we have public comment period. If I could have the sign-in sheet, please. Anyone wishing to sign in that hasn't signed in yet, you have a couple of seconds, a few seconds anyway. Thank you. Is this last name Murray on this sign-in sheet? Is it last name Murray? Is that correct? Yes. How do you pronounce your first name? Kevin. Kevin, excellent. Kevin, please approach the podium if you'd like and address council. We would ask that.

Sorry, I'm on the agenda. I thought that was the sign-in.

That's okay. That's all right. So you don't need to address Council this evening?

Not for public comments.

Okay. Great. Thanks. Also wanted to make members of the public aware that this evening we also will be having a public hearing. So there will be another opportunity to specifically talk about that item on the agenda, if you so wish. And then next up we have Ms. Janice Hurley.

Good evening.

Good evening.

Last week, I made a little faux pas with an email and didn't put lexington.nc. And so therefore, the city utilities did not get it. And so I thought, they're ignoring me. How terrible. But rest assured, it was my mistake. And I just want to say how prompt, even though I had made an error that our city was in addressing my utility need for a new building that we acquired. And so I'm just really thankful because that is what I receive every time that I ask for assistance through the utility department. And so I'm very thankful for that. And then I had a follow-up within a couple hours, and they took care of it right away as well. And I appreciate that. Thank you.

Thank you, Ms. Hurley. Next item on the agenda is regular business. And council, this begins on page 18 of your meeting packet. It's public hearing and conditional zoning for Holly Grove subdivision to consider an amendment to the street cross sections by ordinance 030-2026. We were going to have a presentation from Mr. Josh Monk from Business and Community Development.

Thank you, Mayor, and good evening, council. So this is the application for conditional zoning from KLM Land LLC. It's for a property off of West Hollygrove Road. You might be familiar with this property. It's come before city council a few times. Last year, it was approved for up to 99 single-family homes. And following that, it came back to council to approve the housing designs for that development. Just to give you just a little refresher for what this development looks like, the original site plan is on the left-hand side of your screen. As you can see, there's two entrances and exits off of Holly Grove Road. What we're discussing tonight is just basically a change in the street design, not the layout of the street, but changing from curb and gutter to ditches and swells. On the right-hand side of the screen is the new site plan. And as you can see, it's the same configuration, same number of lots. Nothing has changed except for the, it's called the street cross section. It's going from curb and gutter to ditches and swells. So the reason we're here tonight is during our original public hearing, there was a specific question raised about the proposed street design. And specifically, that was, is this going to have curb and gutter? it was answered yes and because of that and because it reflects in the minutes this kind of change or this kind of request to go from curbing butter to ditches and swells is considered a major change and requires the same approval process as before so that's why we're here tonight the reason for this change is during the design phase following after they had their civil plans reviewed they were doing some geotechnical investigations on the site and reportedly encountered substantial rock because of that the applicant because of the amount of rock excavation that was required it was significantly increased the cost of development and to help reduce that cost they want to switch from again curb and gutter to ditches and swells this is also allowed for any development that's considered low density which this one is so it is already allowed there's already a process in place in our ordinance to allow this But again, the reason we're here tonight is because the original public hearing that was specifically asked and is reflected in the minutes there. Again, here's the request of changes. And it just states they want to change from curb and gutter to vegetated swales and ditches. They request this because they want greater flexibility to reduce construction costs. Again, this is for unforeseen field conditions. And the applicant also states, and this is correct with the proposed development, qualifies as low density and in our zoning ordinance and in the Lexington infrastructure design standards manual that is allowed. And here, just as an example of what a street cross section is, at the top, it shows a 50-foot right-of-way with curb and gutter. At the bottom, it shows our street cross section for anything with ditches or swells. And that's a 63-foot wide cross section. And you still have your sidewalk on there, still have your street trees. Your utilities will be in between. It just requires a greater right away and the property itself allows for that type of a width in there and then for any kind of changes all of the conditions are going to remain the same that were approved there are a few small changes though so for example in one of the conditions it will be amended to allow ditch type local residential streets as classified in our lids manual which shown here Another condition would require that the homeowners association include a provision that prohibits on-street parking. For any development that has ditches and swells, on-street parking is not allowed. And then we would also add a condition requiring the dedication of a greenway easement along Abbott's Creek, just because our greenway plan that's adopted by council last year identifies a greenway throughout that section. And we do have the applicant here tonight. We also have their engineer. Kevin Murray is the developer, and Brent Newsome is the engineer for McAdams. I'm going to invite them up if they want to speak a little bit about this development, and then we can have some questions.

Hello. Thank you for your time. I'm a first-time developer, so hope to get it in fewer than three meetings next time. I was thinking earlier that when I first started working this, my daughter hadn't started kindergarten, and today was her first day of second grade. So hopefully won't be back here for third grade on the same one. You know, we wouldn't be back here if we had another way to engineer our way out of this. We looked at a lot of different options. The site has some meaningful challenges. We did one geotechnical study, uncovered some rock. As we got further into the process, we did a second one and found it was more serious and more concentrated than we had imagined. We looked at a lot of different options to try and solve it, and digging through the UDO and the lids, this is where we landed. So we are here, again, to ask... to please move from curb and gutter to open swollen ditches to unlock this project and I I can't speak to the technical stuff, but I got Brent who's in a lot more of these Terms of the the width of the street The paving of the street.

What's the what's the current distance?

So the council accepts this condition so for the width for the Originally, that was approved as 24 feet of asphalt, and then you have 18 inches to each side for the curb and gutter. This one is still 24 feet of paved street. You just don't have that 18 inches of curb and gutter on the side, and that's one reason we don't allow for on-street parking. If the car pulls off, it could be a substantial drop. It's stuck in mud. It's just something we don't allow.

And so that's a condition that's being added in. Is that correct? That is correct. Gotcha. Thanks. Council, are there additional questions that you all have?

Not allowing on street parking is a good thing.

Who would be responsible for maintaining the ditch? Is that the property owner for the lot or is that HOA? Because I know you've got the sidewalk and then the ditch, you know, between. So just curious about that.

Right. So typically after a development has been built where all the infrastructure has been accepted into the city, any of the stormwater infrastructure that is within that right-of-way is typically maintained by the city. Now, we do have it in the ordinance that – Anybody, any of the property owners must mow their properties, and that includes within the right of way. So I'll be still mowing within the ditches. But we would still be responsible for maintaining those ditches as well.

Thank you. And so from, that's a good question, Councilman Wilburn. So changing from curb and gutter would require then the city to maintain the ditches and swells. Is that going to be increased cost for us as a municipality?

So typically ditches and swells are cheaper to maintain. With curb and gutter, you have the underground infrastructure, and that does have to be maintained. It's not like mowing every week during the summertime, but eventually that infrastructure needs to be replaced, and that can be very costly. Great. Thank you.

Additional questions from council?

And the setback on the house, I was trying to look it up from the street to the property.

Does that change? It will change a little bit. We do require that the setback be measured from the right-of-way line. and not the edge of pavement. So it might push the house back seven, eight feet on each side, something along those lines.

And did this change in conditions, did this go to planning and zoning, or did this come directly to council?

Yes, this went through planning and zoning. There was some conversation, but it was approved unanimously. or recommended unanimously to go to council. This also went to staff TRC meetings two or three times for discussion. Great. Thank you.

So it looks here that the suggested action is to receive the presentation. Thank you, Mr. Murray. To receive the presentation and then city councils to hold a public hearing concerning Ordinance 030-2026 related to amending Unified Development Ordinance Zoning Map of the City of Lexington with an amendment to the conditional zoning for the Holly Grove subdivision. Is that correct, Mr. Monk? That is correct, Mayor. Excellent. So at this time, Ms. City Clerk, would you recommend we open a public hearing? All right. We now open the public hearing. Anyone wishing to speak on behalf of the public, please feel free to come to the podium and address counsel at this time. Seeing that no one wishes to address counsel during this public hearing, we'll now close the public hearing. And then did you want to read the statement of consistency and reasonableness? Counsel, this is the statement of consistency and reasonableness that you need to consider for approval.

Yes. So for the statement of consistency and reasonableness, it states that the proposed conditional zoning with the conditions herein is consistent with the 2022 land use plan, which states that a variety of residential building types will be supported to provide options and quality housing with emphasis on single family, multifamily, and mixed use buildings in an urban form. Options should include a range in affordability and feel will be designed in such a way to protect the character of established neighborhoods. Lot sizes and densities will be commensurate with existing surrounding neighborhoods. And higher density development and close proximity to low density development should incorporate ample open space and edge treatments to reduce impacts.

Thank you. Council, is there a motion then to approve the statement of consistency and reasonableness as read by Mr. Monk?

So moved.

Second. A motion by Councilwoman Klass, a second by Councilman Welburn. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Are there any opposed? Thank you. So next recommendation then is for the council to consider adopting Ordinance 030-2026 to amend the City of Lexington Unified Development Ordinance Zoning Map to affect subject properties located along West Hollygrove Road and owned by KLM Land LLC, identified by the Davidson County Tax Department, as parcel numbers ending in 009, 009A, 0012, 005, and is zone conditional zoning district 030-2026. Is there a motion from council to consider adopting that ordinance?

Mayor, before we make that motion, there is one additional parcel number, and that ends in 98. It's 11339-000-00098. It's a small parcel. I thought I stated that.

You did. Okay. I just wanted to make sure. That's okay. I appreciate you catching me doing something right. Thank you. There we go. So was there another parcel number that needs to be included there then?

It's just not up here. Oh, I see. It's on here. It's just not on the paper. Thank you.

So for the record, we do have 009A. Thank you. And there was a motion? Or there's a motion? say council my heart makes the motion councilman holloway is a second all those in favor say aye aye are there any opposed excellent that passes and before you just one additional question do you know what the timing is associated with this particular development is this something that uh is going through um develop uh development in terms of approvals and then uh you know ground will break at that point or is this one that's more speculative speculative and will take some time so they're working on the civil plans currently uh they're actually being reviewed

the moment and I believe once this was passed they're gonna reach back out to one of the home builders they were speaking to I don't want to speak for Brent or Kevin but I believe with this they would be possibly interested in development again speak for you or the builder yes

They're saying, hey, let me know how it goes.

Okay, gotcha. Excellent. Just wanted to make sure counsel was aware and if the public was interested, they were aware as well. What's your daughter's name?

Lucy.

She wanted to say hi. Hi, Lucy. So, Lucy, you're welcome to come back any time. You can come with your dad, but hopefully it's not related to this particular development. But you're welcome to come back any time. We'd love to see you.

Okay?

It is. That's my granddaughter's name, too. I'll remember that for sure. Excellent. Thank you. Thank you all very much. All right, counsel. Thank you, Mr. Monk. Take care. All right, council, next up is the consent agenda. And there are, let's see here, one, two, three, four, five, six items on the consent agenda. And as council is aware, you have the opportunity to, with one motion, pass and approve all items on the consent agenda, or if there are specific items that you would like pulled for additional discussion, clarification, that is absolutely your right. Are there any items that any council member would like pulled for additional discussion?

No?

Not at this time. Excellent. Thank you. So at this time, we accept a motion then to approve the consent agenda. So moved.

Second.

We have a motion by Councilman Curry, second by Councilman Welburn. All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Are there any opposed? Consent agenda is approved. Next up is the city council's report. I just had a few items that I wanted to mention to council. On the 17th of August, we had an employer support of National Guard and Reserve luncheon. Myself, as well as Manager Taylor, the assistant city managers, and both the police chief and the fire chief attended this particular event in Thomasville in support of Guard and Reserve luncheon. I also wanted to let council know that I was invited to be a guest speaker at the Davidson Davey Apprenticeship Consortium signing event, and that was on the 19th. I was one of the speakers at that event. I also wanted to thank the members of council who, on the 21st of August, showed up at back-to-back ribbon cuttings at the Beauty Lab Hair Company, the second company that's right beside it. I'm blanking on that. Do you all remember?

It's right beside it.

We cut the ribbon. No, we didn't. We cut the ribbon. We took pictures. We can prove we were there. And then following that, Aspire Dental also opened up their new location on East Center Street. And I want to thank everyone from council who was there. Thank you, as well as Manager Taylor. And also wanted to make council aware that there is a Lexington Pride Festival on Saturday the 29th from 11 a.m. to 4 p.m. at Breeden Insurance Amphitheater. Wanted to make council aware that on the 7th of September, that is Labor Day, city offices are closed. And then the 14th of September will be our next city council meeting. Those are the items that I had to update council and the public. Are there any other items that you all have? No? Excellent. So with that, we'll hand it over to Manager Taylor for the City Manager's report.

good evening mayor and council i want to recognize all of the employees that serve us here in our community and the great work that they do to keep everything moving forward here in this great city i also want to mention that we are accepting applications for the lexington academy and we'll be doing so up until september 4 ages 16 and up for lexington residents So if you know someone that wants to really figure out how all these things work, please have them sign up for the program. It's a great program, and I think that it will be very enriching for those that participate. I also want to mention that the Fall Program Guide for Recreation and Parks is now on the city website so there's the old mail out version but there's also a digital version as well and please tune in for all of the activities that are taking place i also want to mention that the uptown planners they're filling out that project is going well so I want to give public ground special thanks for all of the work they're doing to water those planners and and hopefully things will continue to flourish in that area that's key to it keeping them water and also want to I have a special presentation that we'd like to share on tonight an education piece during this time and There he is. Chief Rumage will come forward and provide us with a brief educational session on a topic that has been discussed quite frequently.

Good evening, Mayor and Council. Good evening. I'm here to speak this evening about flock cameras. Okay. Okay. You know, I want to start off first by saying that Flock is nothing more than a brand. What we're really talking about is automated license plate readers, and we use Flock, as do many other agencies. And I also have our vision statement here for the police department, and I led with this for a very important reason, and that is we pursue excellence in professional policing. What does that mean as it relates to this topic? It means that we want to use the best technology, all the resources that we can actually do to help keep our community safe. Also under that umbrella of professional policing is how do we conduct ourselves? How do we hold ourselves accountable and be responsible and use these things responsible? I want to touch on a little bit of that this evening because from an educational standpoint, One, how does the technology work? So there's no video involved whatsoever. The cameras that you see from different places around the city that are flock cameras, those are nothing more than screenshots, screen captures, no video. No different than anyone standing out in a public place taking photographs of the rear of cars. There's no expectation of privacy to that. You're on a public road. Now, what that does, the system checks that tag. The system does not have... your information or the registered owner's information. It does not have that. What it does is it reads that tag and it checks it against checklist like a database for instance NCIC or National Crime Information Center see if it's stolen the alerts that we get is nothing more than the system saying hey I saw this tag I checked it against these databases I see that this tag is on that database okay so that alerts us What we have to do is we have to visually verify that. If we see that car, we visually verify the tag. We make sure it's correct. We check the source record so we don't stop just based off a flock alert. We check the source record. Let's use a stolen vehicle, for instance. It gets flagged. We get an alert, stolen vehicle passed this camera. Officers get in the area. They see the tag. They verify it's the right tag. They call it in through communications just like they would any other time to say, can you verify this is stolen? So the only thing, which is a huge thing, that FLOC did in that particular instance was this. It pointed us to something to look at. We do not take action based solely on the technology. There's no facial recognition involved whatsoever. The technology does not track you. Now, there's technology in this world that does that. This is not that. This is absolutely not that. It provides real-time alerts to authorized law enforcement personnel. Only our officers gets alerts. the sworn officers and investigators. It provides a search function after a crime has been committed or a person has gone missing. So if we have a missing person and we have a vehicle that's associated with that person with a tag number, we can enter that in and say this is a missing person. And so if it crosses any of those cameras, we get alerted. Just us alone have had two missing people found because of flock cameras. Just today we had one missing person with dementia from another county that was going through. We didn't quite get to them, but they found them in Davie County off of flock cameras. So the search function is one that not all officers have access to do. That's a very important piece of information. It goes back to being professional. The only folks that need to have access to do after-incident searches is our supervisors, because there's always going to be at least one on duty in case you need it, and our investigators. We don't just open that up for anybody because you have to be able to manage it. We have excellent staff, wonderful staff, but you've still got to manage things professionally, and that's one of the safeguards we have there as well. Now, we implemented these in September of 2024. Since that time, flock cameras have been instrumental in leading to 156 arrests, 26 stolen vehicles recovered, not just our stolen cars, stolen cars from other jurisdictions, two missing persons located, and countless investigative leads. I want to highlight the stolen vehicles for a moment. That's particularly important to me. Obviously, the missing persons is important for obvious reasons. Let's talk about stolen vehicles. I'm sure what everybody in this room knows, it doesn't take a law enforcement professional to know this, is that so many times folks steal cars and are driving in stolen cars because they want to go commit other crimes and go undetected. And so our philosophy is if we can catch a stolen car and someone in a stolen car as soon as we get notified and they're coming into our city, I really believe in all my experience we don't know what we have prevented because my experience tells me that those in stolen cars often are going to go do other crimes. So that's very important as well. Public safety impact is a force multiplier. What that means is we've got that many more eyes out there that's just scanning cars and just sending us alerts. It's not sending any information. All it's doing is checking tags against other things that's on different lists. Crime prevention, recovery stolen vehicle, removes tool frequently used to commit additional crimes. I've already mentioned that. In 156 arrests, and I'm not saying in all of them, but I think you would agree that for at least a good portion of those, when you arrest individuals on outstanding charges, you may be preventing them from committing additional crimes. In other investigative leads, The flight cameras does not always provide just the main hit, as you would say. A lot of times it provides us a simple piece. We've had that happen. I can't speak to the details, but we've had that happen in two homicide cases in the city of Lexington since we've implemented them, and then since with other agencies, LPRs as well. accountability so again I want to speak to the before any action enforcement action or stop we receive the alert officer visually verifies the license plate we check it against a source record and then we make a stop based on legal grounds in every every time we do that we record outcomes Anytime we actually get a hit, an alert, and we find that car, we always enter into outcomes so that we know. Oversight, as I mentioned before, only supervisors and investigators. Every single search, every single search is logged and it cannot be erased. We actually utilize the FLOC operating systems audit assist feature that helps us audit search records. I myself do some of the audits. Captain Davis is here. He's our investigations captain. He does them. So we watch this very closely. That's because we audit it at that level because we know how valuable of a tool it is, and we know how important it is for people to feel safe in what we're using. And as far as the pictures, the snapshots that are captured in the database, those are only retained for 30 days, which is much more brief than the state allows up to 90 days. 30 days is the standard retention period. So we have 15 cameras. It cost, the annual cost of 45,500. That's the start of the salary of the current police officer. But it has a lot of impact. We've had proven results. And professional accountability, there's no question that that's what we're going to do. That's a mandate of myself. That's a mandate of the city leadership. And that's something we take very seriously in being a professional agency.

That's all I have here.

I'd be happy to entertain any questions that you might have.

Yes, Chief Rummage, I have a couple of questions about this. As it relates to like the efficiency of the process, can you walk us through like, you know, a car stolen in Winston-Salem, they're headed towards Lexington. How does their system communicate with you in real time to know that there is a stolen vehicle maybe headed our way?

All right, so good question. So one of the reasons why we went with the flock vendor when we did is because it was the only automated license plate vendor that had the authority to be integrated with the FBI's NCIC system. So any time you enter somebody missing, wanted, a stolen car, it automatically goes into what's called NCIC. And when you enter in there, there's no need to enter in the flock because flock is the, I'm not sure if it's the only one that still does. But I know this, there's CJIS compliant, which means criminal justice information systems, IT compliance. I can't tell you all what that means, but I know it's a big deal to have that compliance. So what it's doing is it's checking against that database, which we use all the time. So in your scenario, sir, when you say how do we know, how does the system know, it's because they're entering it into NCIC just like they have for decades. The only difference is the LPR is a tool that picks up that tag and checks against that database. That makes sense. Thank you. Yes.

Chief Rummage, I want to thank you for bringing this information because people will come to us and they've seen something on Facebook or some other source and they're slamming it and all this other stuff. So thank you for this information so that we can counterbalance that and correct them and say you don't have any idea what a wonderful tool this is. Thank you.

Absolutely. And listen, I will say this, that I understand that folks may have privacy concerns. I'm reminded of that every time I scroll through my phone and I'm seeing ads for things that I've done nothing more than read or talk about. So I do understand that. And that's part of professionalism I want to highlight, is we don't ignore those concerns, but we make sure that a professional agency balances those concerns with also trying to ensure public safety is the best way we can.

Are there additional questions for Chief? I also wanted to make Council aware that we did have a citizen who reached out to us about the city's use of flock cameras. I sat down in a meeting with Chief, with our city manager, with our city attorney, and this concerned individual, and by the end of the discussion, which had very similar content, I would say here, they felt a lot better about how we were utilizing this system in order to deter crime. So I want to thank you for that too, Chief.

Absolutely. Thank you.

And I'm assuming that in real time, it's AI that's reading this in some way, shape, or form?

Yes, it's AI. It's doing that, checking that. And then we can do, you know, sometimes we may have a, you know, the search function. You may hear folks speak to a vehicle fingerprint is what people call it. And so what we can do is when we do searches is we can search tag numbers, but we can search descriptions. Say like white, you know, look at this time frame, white pickup truck pulling a trailer. And it'll show us all those, and then it's on us to go even further. Interesting enough, just this past Friday we had something very similar to that. We had a call of a road rage where a suspect allegedly pulled a handgun with an extended magazine on a road rage thing. We got a vehicle description, barely a partial tag, was able to run that through FLOC. It was such a clear, distinct vehicle. It was able to get that. That led us to West End Street Extension, our neighborhood out there, where we ended up seizing not only that gun but another gun, and we seized the vehicle because he ran from our officers once we was able to find him. So that was just Friday. Well, thank you.

Can we have them here in Lexington and the county not have them?

Yes, there's no – okay, so other agencies have them benefit us from the search function. When we search, like say we're looking for a certain car. We can search their network because we're all intertwined. Every agency manages our own data and who has that type of stuff. So we can search against that as well. So if they don't have theirs, our search capacity goes down. So that is problematic for us. But it does not have anything to do with the alerts because the alerts are a standalone that we have within ours.

So if they vote against them, we can still have them.

Absolutely. He's also saying that our capability to be able to pull data, if they decide to not have them anymore, it goes down. Yes. Because it's affected like that within the region, I'm assuming.

So if we, like an incident Friday, you know, we're trying to race to get everything we can. We would no longer have access to their camera data. But we could search, you know, if Thomasville still has got theirs and ours, we could try to find it and that we still have to go through. And it doesn't take all the work out. What it does is it kind of leads us to something to look at.

Chief Rummage, I have one more question, and Councilman Black sort of alluded to it during his question. Obviously, you know, this is a great presentation. The cost doesn't seem to be anything that's threatening or astronomical or anything like that. To Councilman Black's point, there has been some rhetoric on Facebook to maybe the downside of this use of technology. As someone who manages this technology, Have you have you witnessed any any any effects that you might think that you might feel will be will be detrimental? Or if you were given another police chief advice about, you know, they were about they were thinking about starting the use of this technology. What would you tell him or her to be concerned about as it relates to this technology?

Well, I think the news is well documented that some poor implementation has been done with it in different places. That's the reason why we're so purposeful in what we do. And some of those things where officers have made very bad choices, for lack of a better term, I think those could have been mitigated had it been implemented in a little better fashion, just my opinion, not naming names, but I think it would be. And also to your point, I will, you know, We have a very robust policy when it comes to oversight. And as being a member of the Board of Directors for North Carolina Chiefs Association, we're actually working on, you know, industry best practices. What's the best policy to try to go statewide on it so that everybody has it? So, yeah, there are concerns out there, but I don't really have them here because I know how robust our audit process is. And, you know... Also, the other thing, too, if I had concerns about the privacy of it, I think one of the things, too, that we have to remember is every single one of us and every single one of our family members ride by these every day because they're put in very objective locations. If I had any concerns with that, then we're on the other end of it as well. So good question. Thank you.

Thank you.

Manager Taylor, thank you for having Chief Rummage address this. It's very timely, and we know that it can be controversial as well, but I think the more information we have, the better. So thank you for that. Can we assume then that your next presentation is going to be on data centers at the next meeting?

I don't think that's within my lane.

Okay. That's all good. Thank you very much for the presentation, Chief. Absolutely. Thank you. Thank you. That's all I have for tonight. Excellent. Thank you, sir. Thank you very much. So, Council, next up on our agenda is a closed session. We'd entertain a motion for Council to enter closed session related to an economic development matter as allowed by North Carolina General Statutes 143-318.11a4 and personnel matters as allowed by North Carolina General Statutes 143-318.11a6. So moved. We have a motion from Councilman Welber and then a second from Councilman Curry. All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? We are now entering in the closed session. Thank you. I have a motion to return to open session, please. So moved. Second. We have a motion by Councilman Myers, a second by Councilman Welber. All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Thank you. Any opposed? We are now currently in open session, coming out of closed session. The council and Mr. Taylor have agreed to renew his employment contract, and council wishes to thank Mr. Taylor for all the support that he has shown the city over this past year. So, Mr. Taylor, thank you so much for that. With that, council, we are ready to adjourn. We need a motion for adjournment.

So moved.

Second.

We're adjourned. Thank you.