City Council - Regular Meeting

In the Red Block City Council meeting of September 1st, would you please rise for the national anthem? Pledge of Allegiance. If anyone wants to sing, it's okay. Salute, pledge. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Our meetings are held first and third Tuesdays of every month at 530. And as you can see, you can always pick up an agenda with there. You can see that you can also participate remotely. The city clerk has provided some good instructions for you to do that. Tonight, we will also be having a closed session. So before I open to citizens' comment, I want to say this is time set aside for the citizens to comment on any item of interest to the public within the subject jurisdiction of the City Council. You will be given three minutes. It's on your agenda. You can read it, the instructions. And you'll have three minutes. And that's all you'll have. But you are open to speak on any subject. But again, I say. If the item is on the agenda already, please wait and comment on that item when the item comes up for review. And before Scott can come up, Scott. I know he's going to be the first. You want to say Scott? Happy birthday.

Thank you. have never been invited up. I remember the first time I ever spoke, it was here, and the fellow who was the city manager afterwards said, Scott, I know you're allowed to do this, but gosh, I wish you wouldn't. And I said, how come? And he said, because everybody else is going to want to do it. We're going to have all of these crazy religions up here. And the same thing happened when I did it at the county. Bill Goodwin said, gosh, God, please don't do this. 12 years, nobody's ever been crazy enough but me. So I'm still crazy after 12 years and my 86th birthday yesterday. So here I am to pray. Father, thank you for the life that we have. how precious it is and how hard we try to hold on to it. We are in your hands for better, never for worse, no matter how it feels to us. You are a good God, and we love you. And I thank you for this country that we live in, this opportunity that we have to come to our elected officials at every level and be able to give them a piece of our mind, whether they like it or not. And I thank you that they have to listen and that they are accountable indirectly to us, but very directly to you. And I pray that this council might make wise decisions, that they would be decisions that would be carefully thought out, and that as they make those decisions, they would work for the prosperity of this community, and that we would be blessed by what they decide. I thank you as well, Father, that our country has, as Ken will say in a few minutes, in you we trust. And it's good that we do because there is no better trust, no better person in whom we could place our trust. So I thank you, Father, for this life we have, for this country and this community in which we live. And I pray that you might give us grace, that you might keep us safe from ourselves, keep us safe from our elected leaders, enable us to live a life that honors you. And I ask this, Father, in Jesus' name, amen.

Honorable Mayor, members of the City Council, and staff and fellow citizens, my name is Ken Boone. I'm a follower of Jesus Christ. I believe in our national motto, In God We Trust. That's why I turn this evening in this reading of the scriptures to Hebrews chapter 12, which talks about not only honoring God, but being obedient to God and being disciplined by God himself. And this follows the Museum of Faith chapter in Hebrews chapter 11. And it begins with, therefore, because we have so great a cloud of witnesses surrounding us, let us also lay aside every encumbrance and the sin which so easily entangles us. Let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. For consider him who has endured such hostility by sinners against himself, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart. You have not yet resisted to the point of shedding blood in your striving against sin. And you have forgotten the exhortation which is addressed to you as sons. My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord, nor faint when you're reproved by him. For those whom the Lord loves, he disciplines and he scourges every son whom he receives. It is for discipline that you endure. God deals with you as with sons and daughters. For what son is there whom his father does not discipline? But if you are without discipline, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate children and not sons. Furthermore, we had earthly fathers to discipline us, and we respected them. Shall we not much rather be subject to the father of spirits and live? For they disciplined us for a short time as seemed best to them, but he disciplines us, God disciplines us for our good, so that we may share his holiness. All discipline for the moment seems not to be joyful, but sorrowful. Yet to those who have been trained by it, afterward it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness. And with that, we launch another meeting here of the city council, as well as another month. And I am grateful for the opportunity to read the word of God to this body.

Thank you. Anyone else? Greg, you have a special time, don't you? Presentation? Citizens comment. Okay.

Good afternoon, or good evening, honorable counsel. Greg Laderelle, the organizer and emcee of the annual 9-11 event. In the next 10 days, we will honor the memory of that horrifically tragic day. It's hard to believe a quarter century's passed. The observance will be the morning of September 11th on Friday at 7 AM in front of the old courthouse. And I'm here to invite anyone and everyone to that observance. And one thing I would like to say since we were adults when this happened. It is our responsibility to tell our children and grandchildren of that day. I don't believe academia and the school system is fully informing the children of the impact of that day. And as those of us who remember where we were when that day happened, It's imperative that we tell our children. My fondest wishes is that someday, without a tragedy, that we become the people that we were on September 12, 2001. The unity, the patriotism that lasted for what seems a short while, but it was truly American. the unity that we are we are different creeds, different colors, different races. But we're all Americans. And I remember the how proud I felt as an American in that short period of time. And I hope that comes back. But again, I invite you all 7am on the 11th in front of the old courthouse. Thank you. Thank you. Great. Appreciate that.

Anyone else? David, can you hear us? Yes, can you hear me? We can hear you. Please go. Go ahead.

Thank you very much. Sorry, I had something written. Good evening, my name is David Burke, and I wanted to personally thank the city manager, Tom Westbrook, the fire department, the building department, everybody who responded to the concerns I had about the Vista Academy Gymnasium. According to the California Department of Education, VISTA serves 512 students. What concerns about the gym were brought to the city. Staff listened, inspected the facility, took action. The gym was closed. Necessary corrections were identified and re-inspection was scheduled. I'd also like to thank Council Member Cassie Pope for returning the email on this. I really appreciate that. I like to ask a lot of hard questions, but accountability also means recognizing people when they do the right thing. City staff didn't ignore me, didn't dismiss me, or simply pass the responsibility somewhere else. They investigated and acted to protect our children. This matter is important because VISTA is already facing serious challenges. The public report state testing data shows that only 17% of VISTA students have met the proficiency benchmark for English and only about 7% have met it in men. Regular attendance is reported to be approximately 74% compared to the 81% national statewide. I found out today that Vista has nine times the suspensions as anywhere else. That's ridiculous. This means approximately 83% of Vista students are not meeting the English benchmark. Approximately 93% are not meeting the math benchmark. These numbers are not an attack on our students or our teachers. They show that something simple as having a gymnasium that works or a field for them to take out extracurricular activities is important and we need to invest in them. Moving forward, I'd like to talk briefly about the road repairs. I'm really excited to hear that Kimball, Jackson, and Walnut will be on that. I had an opportunity to talk with Chief Ortega about maybe some signage. Our friend was hit last year in the crosswalk doing her job at Mateer. hopefully staff or hopefully you know you guys look into maybe some blinking lights or something pedestrians since we are going to be redoing those roads that'd be nice and of course as always i hope there might be an opportunity to do some local hiring i'm working two and a half hours away on a night shift i would love to come home and be able to attend this in person because i'm working in the community thank you very much god bless you all have a wonderful night

Thank you. Brianna, can you hear us? Can you hear us? Hello, Brianna?

hello go ahead hi can you hear me hello good evening um my name is brianna and i'm a local business owner and social media influencer here in red bluff and i'm asking the city council to put alpr cameras on a future agenda for a public discussion as this technology becomes more common in our community i believe residents deserve to clearly understand why it's being used, where it's being used, what information is collected, who has access to it, and how our community's privacy is being protected. I've spoken with so many people locally who share these same concerns. I'm not here to make accusations. I'm simply asking for transparency, accountability, and a meaningful conversation about what safeguards are in place to protect the privacy of Red Bluff residents. we do we deserve that conversation um before this technology continues to expand in our community without our knowledge and consent so um that's all i really had to say and thank you for your time thank you brianna anyone else on line thank you anita anyone else in the audience if not i will close public comment at 5 43.

Our citizens comment, and we will go on to Tom. Any announcements of agenda corrections?

There are none tonight.

Very good. Thank you, Tom. So we'll go to staff items. Tom, please.

Thank you, Mayor, council members. A number of things I wanted to mention about upcoming events. There is a ribbon cutting the chamber will be holding for the Northridge Eye Care Center. That's on September 3rd at 530 Main Street at 11 a.m. Just a reminder that next Monday, September 7th, is Labor Day. City Hall will be closed. On September 12th, Beef and Brew is going to be in downtown Red Bluff from 5 to 10 p.m. That is a 21 and over event. Tickets are required. Also, chamber related, they are scheduled to have their annual awards dinner on October 1st. They do have a 300-ticket limit for that event, and they've already sold 200 tickets. So if there's anybody that's interested in attending the chamber dinner on the 1st, you need to reach out to the Chamber of Commerce to secure your tickets. And the last thing I wanted to mention was that on September 16th, There is going to be a community outreach meeting regarding Proposition 218, that is the water and the sewer rates. That will be located at the Red Bluff Community Center, and the time is 5.30 p.m. That's all I had.

Thank you, Tom. Welcome back, Scott Garrison. Please let me know when you're done.

I will do so. We are looking forward to having our employee benefits fair on September 22nd, where we have vendors here for the benefits for the employees of the city of Red Bluff. And then the last thing I have is that we are currently taking applications for police dispatcher, and that's all I have.

Thank you, Scott. Beth Lindauer.

Good evening. Just a couple updates. The Palm Villas project is moving right along. They've got the third building foundation poured. They're working on the third story of the framing for two of the buildings, so it's going very well. So we do have a couple more early morning concrete pours that are going to occur. The police department has been made aware for noise complaints. And other than that, they will be starting construction after 7 a.m. every morning outside of the approved concrete pours. Additionally, we have the demo started on the interior of the Denny's, which will be the future home of Premier Oil. We've also issued the demo permit and demo has begun as of yesterday for the future Panda Express, formerly Del Taco. And that is all I have to share.

Thank you. Scott Miller, our latest TV personality.

I'll be signing autographs later.

Good job.

A couple things. Last week I did attend a ribbon cutting for the new bus service that goes all the way from Reading through Red Bluff to serve the Sacramento Municipal Airport. It was pretty good. Got to go on the bus. It was a nice, clean, clean ride. Just for everybody's information, $18 to ride the bus from the city of Red Bluff all the way down to the Sacramento airport. Drops you off right at the terminals A and B. So pretty good deal for a one-way trip. And they're running those two times a day. The next is on Friday the 11th probation department will be down the downtown business areas doing some additional Deep cleaning cleanup getting ready for the beef and brew Activities Rick and Sierra Pacific industries have already started communications for the Christmas tree for coming in for the tree lighting thing so starting the initial thing so Christmas came came early and Let's see, bus and rides, let's see. Also give you a heads up, some of you were aware at the corner of Sister Mary Columba and South Main Street, a vehicle took out the control mechanisms for the traffic control lights. Crews got that removed, put an old, our old one that was on there. We're trying to reach out to our on-call traffic signal contractor to possibly hopefully get that up and going temporarily while the new one is fixed. that will probably still be out for at least until Friday on it, and then maybe we'll either get into flashing or do some other measures. So treat that intersection as a three-way stop and be careful proceeding through there.

Thank you.

Thank you, Scott. Chief Bachmeier.

Good evening, Mayor, members of council. To piggyback on Ms. Lindauer's report, we at the fire department have a very unique opportunity with the Denny's being torn down that we get to train on it. So I believe Chief Moyer has made arrangements for this Friday. for us to do some some practical training with vertical ventilation wall breaching things like that so if anybody sees the engines over there hopefully it's not burning down it's just us having our training opportunities with that building before it comes all the way to the ground I'd also like to thank the Emblem Club. This Sunday, they officially donated a new flag for the ladder truck at a spaghetti fundraiser that they had in our honor as well. So we're very thankful for them, and the flag looks very good. And then most importantly, our crew that was deployed down to the Big Sur area for the timber fire returned today just a little bit before 3 o'clock. So everybody's now back at the house.

Thank you, sir. Appreciate that.

Paul. Sorry, nothing for finance.

All right, thank you.

Chief? Nothing for the police department as well.

OK.

I have something. I just wanted to let you guys know that the Urban Greening Grant, which we have been working on for phase two for completion of the River Park project, was submitted today, a little before 5 o'clock. Emmy and I did the final review and submitted. So the application is in, and we will be waiting on to hear back from that one. So we're trying to get funding.

Perfect. Thank you, Robin. Appreciate that. Thank you, staff. Okay. So tonight we have one report from the Planning Commission. Greg, let her out, please. Thank you.

Planning Commission on August 25th, we had two items of concern. The first was a conditional use permit for a nonprofit regional warehouse administrative office and charitable distribution logistics facility on 345 David Avenue. We did hold a public hearing, and a couple citizens that had joined the property expressed some concerns, but the applicant's representative quite well addressed their concerns. So I didn't have any negative feedback from the other commissioners. It was a unanimous approval to recommend to you to approve it when it comes across your agenda. The other was the proposed food truck park slash court concept. The city staff informed me that they basically have a mechanism in place should somebody want to sponsor such a event for a food truck. I think somebody should test the waters. I think it would be something that would be good for this community if indeed we could actually establish a regular event in that vein. But overall, I think that There was no opposition to it. I personally think it would be a good idea, but those were the only two items of concern on the meeting, so thank you. Thank you, Greg.

There are no presentations tonight, so I will ask the council, anybody have any conflict of interest with any items on our agenda tonight?

No.

No, no, no. Okay, thank you. So we'll move on to... approval of the consent agenda which is item one approval of City Council meetings minutes number two CalPERS health resolutions update number three second reading an adoption of ordinance number 1090 and number 4 second reading adoption of ordinance number 11 11 100 and number 5 is second reading an adoption of ordinance number 1101 and number 6 public works activity summary and I would say that anybody can at this time I would ask if any council member wants to move any of these items to a regular agenda or anybody in the city in the Any citizen would like to move one of these items to the regular agenda and become the first item discussed anybody from in the Buddy right council anything moved. No, then I would ask for a motion to receive and approve a Motion to approve the consent agenda motion motion by mark Clement. Do I have a second? I second Cassie Pope Anita please take the roll councilmember Pope councilmember Hurton yes councilmember Deiter yes mayor Pro Tem Clement yes mayor Gonzales yes motion passes unanimously Thank You council thank everyone so we'll go on to a regular agenda which is number seven regular a river splash park pad and rehabilitation project update and who do I have for that Robin please

Honorable Mayor and Council Members, we've discussed over the last couple weeks that we would be bringing the project back for award. I've been working with Tom and Paul on financing and funding options. So we just wanted to give everybody an update of what we're currently doing. what conversations are being had, and then get direction from you on a potential funding option tonight. So as directed by you in February, staff went back with the design team to reduce the phase one scope of the project and attempt to keep the project costs within the available $3 million budget. And that included design costs also. while still achieving the elements that we have to construct and install as part of the grant. So there are certain elements we cannot get rid of. Our hands are tied. We have to put them in. The project came back in August with the lowest apparent bid approximately $410,000 over budget still. We have, like I said, been working on looking at additional funding, which I will circle back to and we can discuss at the end. I do want to say that we have been talking with the apparent low bidder. We're not negotiating, we're talking through their availability, what their intention of construction was, were they going to start right away, how far would they get, will they be able to meet timelines depending on when we have to pull the trigger, are they able to secure those funds or their items for the funding. We just made sure that we weren't backing ourselves into a corner either and that this was still a viable project with them as the lowest apparent bidder. We know it's very timely. After talking to the contractor, they are already nervous about starting construction prior to winter. With it being in a floodway, they're really concerned that any work that's done could be damaged, would cost more, additional mobilizations if we get water into the park like we have prior years. They were hoping that maybe they could do some of the concrete work, but that would have been about all the limits of what they would have done before the winter. And then they would have put it on pause until spring. Also talking with them, they are comfortable with our deadlines to still get it done by the end of the year. We have until June 28 to finish the project, expend the funds, and get reimbursement under the grant. So we're not pushing up against that timeline yet. We still have a little bit of flux in our schedule, even starting in the spring. He also reached out to me today and said they've been looking at different things, different options, different or equal items. So we're hopeful that there won't be any significant change orders on top of the additional $410,000 that we are already short on. So I just wanted to make sure that they didn't see something in the plans that we were going to get hit with a change order right away. with that said we've looked at additional park funding did we have development impact fees available as of right now it's very minor um we do not have the 410 000 without hitting the general fund and at this point in time i know that's that's not something the council wants to entertain tom and i have reached out to look at additional funding being like a short short term gap funding to cover the $500,000 plus or minus, what that would look like, how long we would have to pay that back, how that would impact the general fund, and we wanted to get consensus from the council if we wanted to explore that option further, if it was something you wanted to entertain, or what other options besides the general fund that we were hoping we could get recommendations on. I can answer questions. Tom can answer questions. We've had some really good conversations about that. But I want everybody to know that this is not a giving up on the project. We are working to try to find that funding to cover that gap. There's no elements I can remove to get us below that number, unfortunately.

Robin, can you just confirm again the date that the grant funds have to be expended by? Was it June of 2028?

Yes, June of 2028 is when we have to have the grants spent, the grant money spent. So that gives us a year and a half. We only gave them 200 days for construction time. The contractor is confident. If we award, as soon as we award, he'll start ordering things. So things will be here. We won't have delays when construction starts. That equipment will be here. Those parts, the splash pad equipment had some lead time on it. But that will all be in the queue. And once it's awarded, we can then pay for that equipment itself under the grant. And we'll be in contract to do that.

it won't be a delay wait and then do everything spring we'll be prepping for it so thank you robin no problem again council this is just an informational item they're looking for input from us uh what to do so do we have any questions for uh robin or tom on this

I do. Just for the expense of the future on this project, because it has gotten incredibly expensive. And the next phase, we don't even know if we have the grant funding. We obviously know it's going to be above and beyond whatever grant we get, I think, because of the cost of everything and the timeline of building it. My question to you or Scott is, what The grant money we got for the bathroom that we just used up, how long did we have that? $80,000, I think it was? How many for the repairs of the bathroom?

How much we did on the repairs? I want to say it was $20,000 that we did for the repairs. Okay.

Yeah. And how long did we have to use that? Or how many times did we repair that restroom?

That restroom, this was the big repair, but it's daily maintenance on it, to be honest with you.

My concern is the maintenance of the folks in town who don't appreciate the nice stuff we have on this park, what the annual cost is going to be and where that's going to come from, and then also the cost of flooding. If we have an annual flood or every other flood, what's the cost of repairs and how is that going to be maintained?

So the infrastructure, the plantings, the ground cover, none of it will be bark because within the floodway. We don't want to have to replace that. We don't want that to go away. Everything has been designed knowing it's a floodway. So there shouldn't be, like, having to put bark in every year or –

i was worried about like the mud in the lines there there's there will be caps on all the spray systems so that will be a sealed system through the winter um per our conversation with the designer it it has been looked at for those items and the supply park itself uh section is up out of the base flood elevation so that area hasn't historically flooded on also we've been monitoring um over the past years and getting photos The areas that do get inundated are the lower areas that are concrete pathways or the concrete, I want to say. The pickleball court. Pickleball courts. And even the pickleball court is higher up. That's up at that bathroom height. So the stuff that is going to be getting wet primarily is going to be the stuff that's already still getting wet, the sod and concrete and stuff. The bandshell section of it. It's all concrete. That's already – We're pulling the cover out of it because that wasn't part of the actual developments for right now. But the foundations and all that is going to be what's called wet flood proofing. So steel construction, non-absorbable, non-organic stuff.

And then the repairs, if folks decide to go in and tear it up, will be general fund money?

That will come in out of the parks maintenance things, which is going to be the same things that we're going through at either a forward park, that park. We are seeing a reduction over some of the past few years, but it's still occurring. The big damage is not as much, but we may get an occasional door here. But it's mostly graffiti is what we're seeing the most of it. Some light fixtures.

Because we are spending so much money already to have to spend several thousands more a year to maintain that part. I just wanted to figure out what would be best.

Yep.

Thank you, Mark. Thank you, Scott. Anyone else? Pat, anything?

Robin for the gap funding what is the current like trend of interest rates and things like that.

I don't think they gave us the exact interest rate. They told us what the payback would be For is it 15 years? Yeah. Yeah, and it was 35,000 a year 55,000 a year would be our payback for that 500,000 over 15 years What company was that

Oppenheimer.

Yeah.

So they do public financing for a number of things, infrastructure projects, sewer and water, et cetera. And so cities have the ability to utilize them and their services for the kind of gap financing. And I believe that there was a minimum five-year term, so we couldn't prepay it for the first five years. But after the fifth year, we could pay it back if we had the revenue to do so.

In any of the development projects, just to reiterate that, we could pay that back with development impact fees as they come in for Palm Villas, the Bluffs. Those are all projects that are coming that we will get some parks, but it wouldn't be enough to cover the whole thing up front.

Go ahead. I think my concern, Robin, is we've been doing this a long, long time. And in the meantime, the $3 million grant has shrunk in its value. So here we are. And if we continue delaying this, costs are still going to go up. And are we going to be constantly running from behind on costs if nothing happens until spring?

No, because if we get direction from you tonight and a direction to go, we will look at our funding options, however we need to. If we award it, they hold their costs. It's when we have to go back out to re-bid. So their bid assumes they're not starting till spring. They're, you know, small portions in the wintertime but their primary was spring. They're going to order all their materials now so those costs can't go up. They can't increase their costs. They have to hold those costs as we award them. So we won't get a change order saying pipe materials have gone up. You owe us that. Fuel prices have gone up. Our construction costs are more. That is not, that's why we've gotten the bid and they're willing to hold these for a period of time.

How long a period of time?

The contract or the proposal said I think it was 60 days until award. So we had the 60 days. I've had conversations they will hold them longer. And as long as they agree to that, then we're okay.

So is there anything they could, if it was awarded to them shortly, is there anything they could start now? Or do they just not want to do it until spring?

I think they would rather wait until spring because we would also have to pay the SWPPP costs and the inspection costs if we touch the ground now. And so if we get high water, then all of their BMPs have to be in place. That all gets washed away. They have to come back in and reinstall. It's a continual weekly inspection, pre-storm, post-storm, during storm. They have to pay everyone to keep going. So we can keep the costs down by doing that. By waiting.

So basically what you're saying is they're just not going to do it until spring.

They're not going to break ground. They're going to order materials, prep, get everything ready, but they're not going to break ground until spring because that would cause or until we know that the weather has cleared. Until Shasta said, yep, we're not releasing any more water or we're slowing releases down. We monitor all of that throughout the year. the winner anyway. So if we're seeing, okay, it's passed, we're not expecting anything, we can initiate a notice to proceed and start right away.

What's the timeline for actually building it again?

They had 200 days, and he said they would easily be done by the end of the year, even if they started in the spring. And that still gives us a six-month little gap period if we did get a wet winter and it took a month longer to get back in there or anything like that. Any of those construction items delay, it gives us some room. We're not backed up against that yet. I just felt like the first part of the year maybe we lost some time on this we did because we were even our estimate was we were nervous putting it out to bid but we went to the state and even asked can we reduce this we're down to the bare bones on what elements we're putting in really down to the bare bones making them accessible the minimum items we have to do the splash pad the items we need in that that's about it The pickleball courts have to be installed, and it specifically says for pickleball courts, so we couldn't shrink that down. The grant application really dictated what we have to do.

Anything else, Chris?

No, I think, too, I wanted to just echo Councilmember Clement's remarks about security for this project and what that's going to look like. Because I know initially there was a police substation there. It's still there.

It's still there, part of the restroom. But, yeah, getting it up and usable is going to be some time. Thank you. Yes.

Thank you, Chris. Cassie, anything else?

Pat?

Okay, nothing else from council. I will open it up for questions from the public at 6.08. Any comments, questions? Well, turn 6.09, so close those questions at 6.09. And it's an informational item. Do we have anything that we want to give direction to Robin or Tom on this issue, council?

I feel like we need to proceed because I don't know if any of you have been down there at 9 o'clock at night. There's a lot of families, kids, zero lighting, and they're all in the river. I've talked about this before. And I know they're expecting it. I mean, we've been talking about this for several years. So I think we need to do something because otherwise it's just too dangerous. I just can't ethically think that we can't proceed just to make it safer for the families who like to go down there. And there are a lot in the summertime that go down there. I'm not sure if you realize just how many dozens of families are down there. So I truly believe we need to figure out something and we need to make it happen. It might cost us a little money in the long run, but I'm confident we'll get it back one way or another. Okay. Pat, anything?

We need $400,000. Yeah. I don't know how to get $400,000.

Yeah. Cassie, any suggestions?

I don't have any suggestions. My kids were little when this whole conversation even came about, and it was something that I know people have in our community have poured blood, sweat, and tears, I mean, genuine heart and soul into this project. The unfortunate reality is where it's landing right now in our fiscal budget, in our overall budget, with all of our other extenuating circumstances. I cannot, and as much as it makes me sick to say it, I cannot justify taking out a loan or acquiring additional debt when we agreed that we couldn't do that for the water and sewer subject. I don't mind additional information as far as the specifics on details like amortization, payments, interest rates, what that looks like. I would love to see it come back in a more digestible format if that's the instruction that you need to receive because I feel like the project itself deserves looking at the actual numbers versus hypotheticals or speculations. But that's where I sit on it.

Is any of the items, Robin, that we can eliminate and still proceed with the project? Because there's mandatory items and then there's... Everything that's in phase one now is... Everything is there and we're still short $400,000.

Yeah. The pickleball course, the bands, the amphitheater area, we've reduced the shell and just put now it's ready for that in the future. But that qualifies the splash pad. There was a whole list of elements that we had to do. And that's where we're at. We've reduced down as much as possible because we have to provide access to those items too. And concrete costs are expensive. We've changed the lighting. We've changed fencing. We've done everything we can to still give us a product we're going to be able to utilize and not be something that is going to deteriorate or fail in the near future. We've made sure that it's quality for where it's at and it can sustain the winters and the water and all that, but that's where we're at. We've gone back and forth of pulling little bits out here and there where we can't pull anything else out.

I think going back to what Chris said, I think what we've got is product inflation. And that's, even though it appears that $400,000 is, you know, how did it go up that much? It just doesn't go up that much.

It doesn't. Even when you start looking, like I'm looking at phase two and three, we're asking for $2 million plus to finish the project. So in total, it would have been almost a $6 million project by the time we're done. And that's if we can get it done.

When you say you cut the cost on the fence, does it still keep people out? Yes.

Oh, absolutely. It's not wrought iron, but it's still a secure fence. The lights, we're doing single poles in the middle with dual arms instead of one at each corner. 50,000 volts. Huh?

50,000 volts. Yeah. Yeah.

We've been trying to do all the reductions we can to value engineer. I've also been talking to the contractor, you know, change orders are going to not be a thing. So I need you to tell me now if you found something that we need to talk about or is there a way we can value engineer that down and they're willing to work with us. They're looking at other options too.

We also, as far as like the storm drain systems, part of the clean water things that we've got to do, we've utilized the storm water impact fees fund to fund that portion. So it's a required element as far as the design and treatment that we have to do. But because it's not really specifically park related, we were able to use the stormwater impact fees that we already had to backfill some of that, to take that money down, to help relieve some of that other stuff. So we've gotten pretty creative on stuff. And like Robin said, it's like, The lights, instead of originally with four poles, now it's just a single pole with double mast, some of the fencing. The band shell information, we went and found a different vendor for that. That was cheaper from the original one. So we've been... getting pretty skinny on the funding.

Emmy's gotten a $5,000 grant today from PG&E that we're rolling in there. So we're really at $405,000 instead of $405,000. Everything that's coming across our plate, we are asking for because... $10,000, $50,000 here and there, that adds up. And so we're not just, no, that's not worth it. We're scraping to get every dime we can for the city.

And what is the, Emmy got the Locky $5,000?

Yeah, so we have two $5,000 grants that we've received for this. Just little local ones where they want to help support the city. the project. We've been working with Vicki that has a commitment of what funding they can donate to it for the project.

Utilizing city staff for some of the items and relocation of some of the park benches and other stuff that we had like an inventory and having our guys move some stuff as far as the demolition things. We've been bouncing a lot trying to get down where it's palatable.

Robin, I did have one question. I was confused by the number 55,000 was mentioned. Our payoff amount would be 55,000 a year for five years?

For 15 years. If we took out gap funding alone, a lease-leaseback loan, our payment would be 55,000 a year. 55,000 a year. Yeah. And like I said, if we get direction, we'll get more details and present that.

For 15 years on a $400,000 loan. $500,000 loan. $500,000, yeah. But still, I'm not that good at math.

It's a lot.

That's what I was trying to do with under for five years, but okay.

And then also, if some of it doesn't get spent, we can hold that. We can make payments out of that. Development impact fees. I'll bring what we're anticipating for the palm villas and the bluffs back, too, so you can see what money is coming in in those park funds to see what that looks like, too, if we get direction to go that way.

Do you know what each section element is broken down into as far as cost? So what the pickleball courts cost specifically, what the splash vibe costs specifically?

Yes, I can break that down. There may be some approximation because concrete was probably rolled into a complete number versus – You know, just for the splash pad, just for, but I can look at that.

If we eliminate, obviously we can't, but let's just say, hypothetically, a community funding partner came in and said, we want to pay for the pickleball courts. Do we have to roll something out of phase two and bring it back, or it just then occupies, it leaves open whatever money the pickleball court was going to?

Yes, it's a lump sum. The state doesn't care how much each item was. The money is just there to spend. So if we had a sponsor, I can cover $410,000 if someone wanted to pay for the restroom and the police substation building. We know that's almost $400,000 for us to order. And that's through our source well purchasing, too. So that's no markup by the contractor. We've gone through everything we can source, what we can purchase ourselves and provide to the contractor for installation. But we can break them down if we needed to.

It just gives somebody the opportunity to take that information. And if they want to creatively go out and source a sponsor for those specific items, we free up that much money to cover that $400,000 deficit. Absolutely.

Absolutely. the contractor would agree to receiving items purchased on what we purchased we are already it was already written in the contract that we were purchasing certain elements for the splash pad we were purchasing the concrete building because they were both under government contracts um so we have i brought that before on some of our items where we can go purchase directly without getting bids we don't have to go out because they've already gone through that process it's called There's Sourcewell and Omnia are two of the companies that do that. And we get a better cost at doing that. They've negotiated the cost down. So all the items that qualified for that, we did list out that way.

Have we received any response from the McConnell Foundation on that?

I'm not sure if she applied for the McConnell this year on this. But I know their cap is $50,000. I think their cap for a grant is $50,000. But when that opens up again, knowing where we're at now, we can definitely reach out.

So what is the summary, counsel? What do we want to do?

Can I just add?

Absolutely. So I think most of us in this room know who started this project some time ago, almost eight years ago. It's hard to believe that it's taken eight years to even get here and we're not done. Vicki Moran is the one that went. for this project, funding for this project. And I guess for me, her patience is beyond what mine would have been. So for me, I hate to see a citizen's time and effort for a very good project, number one, take this long, and number two, we're making a big deal out of $410,000. I'm going to disagree with my council person to my right. I think the city should just pay for it. In the short term, it's going to cost less money than if we're going to be paying $55,000 a year for X number of years to pay it back. We've caused a lot of this delay, frankly. There's been some other reasons for it. I'm not going to go through it. I remember what the issues were with the homeless population in the park and trying to move the homeless population out and so forth. There was a number of things that went on. So my disagreement is simply we'll find a way to make it up for the general fund. But I don't want, I personally don't want any more delays in this. It's something that the community has known about ever since Vickie started this project. And I've heard a lot about lately, oh yeah, now not again, again, again. It's not going to happen. So anyway, number one, thank you to Vicky Miranda for her patience and for everything that she has done. I hope that she has been kept informed on all of this, seeing this was her project. And so my thing is I would just rather pay the $410,000 and get this project going and not waste more time, which is just no matter what anybody thinks, will still probably cost more money. I'm just not convinced that that would happen.

We're working on that. We're trying really hard to keep it on budget. The contractor's pretty committed to it, too.

So is there a payback penalty so you couldn't do...

So if we don't...

If the world got great in the year and we could pay it off with the general fund.

The loan? We have to hold it for five years, minimum. And then after that, we could pay it off. But there is a five-year hold on that.

That's $200,000. You just rounded it off. Add it on to the, so it's a double of five years.

Yep. And I don't want to be the negative side of this, but we have spent $300,000, $260,000 to $300,000 in design costs. If this project does not move forward, we are paying almost $400,000 back to the state for a project that's not happening. We would have to pay back that loan or that grant money that didn't complete a project. So just something that we have to find a way to do this.

Including all the other elements that we've already put money down. And I think Stratum has already pre-purchased some of those things too. So that would be coming out of the social clubs. How much was that?

So we're going to owe half a million no matter what. Yes. Yes.

They've already given us the $3 million?

No, but the design costs, we have to turn an application in for reimbursement for all the design costs. We have to do it every six months to keep the grant active. We can't sit there stagnant. So those invoices have been paid out already from the grant.

But we've funded them. Or they've reimbursed us? They have reimbursed us for those design costs. They have reimbursed us.

Yes, and we would be responsible for paying that back. Thank you.

I agree with Chris. I think we should move forward. We're going to pay $500,000 either way. Let's make our community better and get it done.

Anything else, Cassie? Pat? We can't afford it either way.

Wow. Okay. I wasn't ready for this to come down to tonight. What are we going to do? I thought we were going to get some options, give you direction and have some options presented to us. Obviously, paying for the whole thing is one option. That's one option.

If I get direction tonight, Tom, correct me, I can bring it back to a ward at the next meeting with the funding options as an or, if that's the way. And I can present very clear this is where the funding is coming from, this is what it would look, this is what it would look long term for both paying out a general fund or going gap funding if that's the direction. So there doesn't have to be a direct decision or guidance given, but I can bring that back if that's... What's our award deadline? We're 30 days in, so we have... Yeah, I would like to... Yeah, or I'll get a commitment letter from them, too. Like, they have agreed that they're not going to walk away and raise all their prices at 60 days. The contractor really wants to see this project come...

So we're looking at budget also. We're going to budget report when, Paul? Update on budget? When does it come up, Nick? This next meeting?

Either the next one or the poll after that.

So I think if you can, I sure would like to look at our budget, where we are this next coming meeting, and then what Robin suggested, we'd have a better perspective of where we're going to be, you know, paying for it or, you know. But I can see where the interest, I mean, we're looking at. That's huge. Huge.

$325,000. I came up with $825,000. If you paid $55,000 for 15 years, it's $825,000.

That's only phase one.

Yes.

Yeah, I don't think it's an option.

We'll have a phase two after that. Yes.

Yeah, I don't think it's an option. It shouldn't even be a negotiation. I mean, next meeting we can award it, but...

I think we can wait 15 days because we need to look at where our budget is and take it from there. We can make that hard choice. But not knowing, like Pat just said, $800,000 for a $500,000 loan is a lot of money. You can do a lot to the splash bag. I think we can wait one more time and then go from there because we want to be secure what we do.

Well, we're paying back $500,000, so it doesn't really matter what the... what the finances are, right? No matter what, we're paying back $500,000.

That's true.

So there's not really negotiation about it. It's either we're going to do it or we're not.

I think it would be easier to swallow if we knew where we were. Because I don't think this committee is going to be happy with us laying off people if we have to do that, and knowing that we built the splash pad.

But we still get $500,000.

Yeah, but two weeks is not going to make a difference.

It's hard. I mean, I agree. I'm thinking the same thing. If we're going to be asking our employees to make some very serious concessions, and here we spent $410,000. Yeah, I got to be honest, I wasn't ready to make this decision tonight. I didn't think that's exactly what this agenda item entailed.

And it's only an information, it's not an action item, so we're not going to make a motion on it. However, I would like to see our budget, Paul, next week, and it's going to be an easier, I think, decision for it. We have all the facts ready to go before us. Two weeks is not hard to do.

And the actual hard numbers on that. Okay.

Yeah, get the numbers on the gap loan and everything. And we'll make it an action item next time.

Okay. So I'll bring it back just to make sure I'm clear. Talking about what funding option to cover the gap, I'll make it clear what accounts everything else is coming out of, and then the award, and we can approve them as different items.

Yeah, and also find out what we're going to have to pay back.

Okay.

No, yes, absolutely.

Okay. All right, very good. Okay. Thank you, counsel. We'll go on to item number eight. Anna Pearson, what we have, come on up, Anna. Thank you, Vicky. Water shut-off policies and procedures.

Good evening, City Council. Tonight I bring to you the city's current water shutoff policy and procedures for discussion and possible direction to staff. The city conducts water shutoffs once monthly under the city's current policy accounts need to be at least 60 days past due to be eligible for disconnection. The city's procedures are designed to provide customers with multiple opportunities to bring their accounts current or establish payment arrangements before service is disconnected. The city mails a past due notice 15 days before shutoff and another at least 48 hours before shutoff. We also make phone calls the Friday before the scheduled Wednesday shutoffs. We used to use an auto dial system. We found out we were not reaching enough customers, so we started doing it manually. If mailing addresses are different than physical addresses, we also post door tags to alert occupants in case of a landlord-tenant situation. All of those efforts, the finance department initiates between 20 to 25 water shutoffs monthly. Half of those accounts are reconnected on the same day. Around 10 to 15% result in a new customer signing up. The city makes every attempt to possibly mitigate utility shutoffs by offering past due amortization plans to customers. Before the last water shutoff on August 26, there were 11 active payment plans. one service has been disconnected a reconnection fee is charged to the account and a deposit may be required the city's reconnection fee is 32 dollars between the hours of 8 a.m and 3 30 and 53 dollars after 3 30 as it is considered after hours for our water department Included in the agenda packet is our full water shutoff policy, a printout of the city's code of ordinance, an excerpt of the fee schedule showing the reconnection fees, and a copy of what's printed on the back of all past due bills. With that, I'm available for any questions.

Thank you, yeah.

Ma'am, what is our average current overdue bill balance?

It lands between $200 and $300.

For how many months again?

It's 60 days plus.

60 days plus? Yeah. Chris, anything? Pat?

Is there, I'm sorry, I read through it, but for seniors that may not be driving, obviously they can call.

We offer the ability to make payments online and over the telephone. We also do auto pays, either from direct debit from your account or through our online system.

So since I'm the one who asked for you to bring all this up, and since you and I spent some time together, I guess I'll elaborate on where my heart is behind this. You guys are abundantly generous, and I can see it in here. You guys go above and beyond in that way, knowing what we have coming. and looking at next year and looking at the hardship we're about to compound on people with, or potentially compound on people, right? My hope was to see a moratorium on that $32 reinstatement fee, $53 after-hours fee, Because if somebody has $300 just to get their account down to zero and bring themselves out of that just to get their account turned back on, and I think you and I talked about it, and they don't even have to bring it to zero to get it turned back on, correct?

Correct. They only have to pay what's past due.

Only have to pay what's past due. But that's a never-ending hole because you're essentially adding 32 just to get it back on. Yeah. my suggestion and where i would like to see this go is that we have a one-year moratorium on that fee for reconnection knowing that we're going to be putting people really in a financial predicament i don't want to compound that in addition to even though 32 might sound minimum to me or another person that's it's catastrophic for some households

So I did run some numbers over the past 12 months. We've had 190 individuals shut off, some of them more than once, 27 of them more than once. So it would affect approximately 190 individuals, what you're talking about.

With our existing policies, assuming they're gonna compound. Correct. Beyond that. And again, I wanna clarify, my request is actually to do that for first time offenders, not our repeat constant consistent

Yeah, over the last 12 months, we only had 27 repeat offenders.

OK. So the vast majority are one-time offenders, essentially. Yes. So do I need to make a motion at this point? Hold on.

I need to open it up for public comment. OK. Any other questions? No. I will open it up for public comment on this. Questions? Excuse me. Anything from the public?

No.

Okay. Thank you very much. So I just want to ask you one more. Do you find – I'm just going to be very, very blunt. Do you find people taking advantage of the system? Because we are very, very lax on this.

I don't know that there's a way to take advantage of the situation. Ultimately, people want their water turned back on. I think we're very accommodating to try to make sure that they don't feel like they're being taken advantage of, I suppose.

No, no, like advantage of us because we're very, I read this and my goodness, you know, the city's very, bends over backwards to say to make it accommodating for them.

If somebody's on a payment arrangement and they don't fulfill their promise, we do give them another five days to make contact and let them know that we're going to be turning them off. But I don't feel like we're being taken advantage of. OK, good.

That's what I want to know. Because we want, I guess, people responsible. Yeah. So OK. So with that. We have a motion. Number one, we discussed and related procedures provide direction to staff.

So it's just direction to staff. So there's no motion to be had. So it's direction to and I'm going to say it needs to be specific. What do you want? What timeline do you want it to last for? How do you, like, give the good direction as to, like, you know, who it's going to apply to?

You know, all the fun things.

Okay, I'd like to see it brought back, okay, with a one-year moratorium after our new fee schedule goes into place. One year moratorium on our reconnection fees, both the day time, week time, and alternative for a total of one year. Does that cover all the details?

Do you have a preference as to who it applies to?

First time offenders. First time like in the last 12 months and less more than that?

First time once we start our new fee schedule.

OK.

So people that are past offenders now would start their clock again when the new rates are in.

Fair. Agreed.

Sure.

So you said like 190 people. I just averaged it. That's between the 30 and the 50 something. I called it 40 bucks. I came up with $7,600 roughly. We would lose $7,600 if we put that moratorium on it. Does that sound right? Did I do that right? Yes. Okay. Roughly.

all time speeds and measurements correct and really what that is is it's the after hours part when our water department is not working anymore calling somebody out during the day there's typically somebody that's going to be within the city that can just run and go do that anyway if somebody comes in and pays before the 3 30

Yeah, once we hit the 3.30 mark, then we're calling somebody in who's on a water pager. So we are paying overtime for them to come out and turn the water on.

We're going to give them two hours or something. We're going to give them two hours. We give them whatever the callback time is.

Yeah, it's a minimum of three unless they're still on duty.

But we're only getting 53 of that back anyway, right?

Correct. But arguably that $7,600 you calculated isn't a projected revenue that we count on because the hope is not to see people have their water shut off.

correct however I think the people that would ask for their water to be turned out during the regular hours if it's after hours then I would suggest that they do pay something because otherwise it falls back on the city to pay that overtime correct

Very few people opt to have it turned on after hours and will generally wait till the next morning.

Because we usually give them, we shut them off on Wednesdays and they usually, most of them have them turned back on by Fridays anyways. So we also don't see the weekend call in. Correct. They don't want to be without water.

Correct. Most people are back on same day. 50% are back on same day. And then the rest of them are generally on on Thursday.

So they, most of them are saying, I'll pay it.

Yes.

Okay.

And we do have the mechanism to bill the $32 now, which we didn't have in the past.

Kristen Johnson.

Yeah, so just for me to be clear on this. So this is based on, we're doing this based on what we think future water payments are going to be, or are we basing it on right now? That's a good point. Well, you just kind of made the comment early on that we don't really know exactly what the water payments are going to be going forward.

We can bring it back after that decision is made. We're bringing it back in the future for approval, right?

Yeah, I can bring it back for the second meeting in October after the 6th.

The process actually brings back a resolution. You guys get a first look at it, first reading of it, first public comment on it, and then If there's significant changes, then it comes back for another first reading. If it's not significantly changed, just minor modifications, it comes back for the second reading, and then it's... Resolution, correct.

We're not doing an ordinance? Not an ordinance change. We believe that this can just be a resolution. Okay. So if there's just minor modifications, it can just be adopted at a meeting on October 20th.

Yep, which would be after the 218.

Yes. Yes.

And it also goes to some of the folks who actually take care of their yards, just won't take care of their yards. So their water bill may not fluctuate at all. It may be the same. They just don't have the yard that they want. So I think there's different areas and avenues of that that will affect people. I don't know if we'll have as many as we think we're going to have, we hope, just because of that fact. People just won't use the water for what they're using. They won't use their pools. They won't jacuzzis, little stuff like that.

yeah it may lead to conservation yeah yeah all right so yeah do you have some direction there yes thank you there's concurrence on the council with the direction that was provided by council member pope to bring that forward yes yeah i'm good with that yeah chris

October 20th. We'll schedule this discussion to continue at your October 20th meeting. Perfect. All right. Thank you, Council.

Thank you, Leigh Ann. Let's see, where were we? Number eight. Number nine. Resolution of City Council, which is... Who's going to bring that? Number nine. Number nine, number nine. Who's going to report in number nine?

That'll be Scott Miller.

Scott Miller, please.

Thank you, honorable mayor, members of council. Yeah, what we have before you is a resolution authorizing myself and the city attorney to sign the grant acceptance from the FAA for the apron expansion design project. This is a $128,250 grant for the design portion of that. This is going to have a match of that of $6,750 that we would be covering, but some of that could be offset through the Caltrans Department of Aeronautics grant program. As you recall that the Red Bluff Airport has been utilized for temporary heli-base operations for a lot of California's largest wildfires including park, camp, car, August complexes. What this design would do to help add additional parking for helicopters at the airport at the intersection of Texas Way Charlie and Alpha that's currently a dirt lot. What that will also do is reduce a bunch of what's called FOD, foreign objects and debris from blowing around when those helicopters land. So this is basically just an authorization for me to sign these in order to receive those funds.

Can we get them to put in a splash pad?

If we don't put it in, it will be a splash pad out there because we always have to water it down for the helicopters. That's a good question. Oh, and I do have our new airport consultants online listening in case if you have any other technical questions on it. But so far, this is not awarding of the actual design contract. It's just accepting of the funds. We will be bringing that back as a separate task order grant.

Any other questions, council? Is there any comments the where was online want to make?

Ken, I think you're what, 0533?

Who is it, Ken? Are you there, Ken?

Hi, this is Ken. Can you hear me?

Yes, we can. Go ahead. Just make any additional comments you would like at this time.

Good. No, we're just excited to get a project underway with the city of Red Bluff and at the Red Bluff Municipal Airport. You know, I'm a guy who likes a good sale, and any time you can get something 90% off, I think it's a pretty good buy.

All right. Is that at the restaurant too or what? Thank you, Ken. Appreciate that. OK. You're welcome. Thank you for your comments, Ken. Appreciate it. Any other comments from?

You're welcome.

Public comment on this? Nothing?

All right. Do we have a motion from council on agenda item number nine, resolution of the city of Red Bluff to authorize recommending approval of resolution 26-2026? So moved. So moved by Chris Deiter. Do we have a second? Second. Second by Mark Clement. Anita, please take the roll.

Councilmember Pope? Yes. Councilmember Hurton? Yes. Councilmember Deiters? Yes. Mayor Pro Tem Clement? Yes. Mayor Gonzalez?

Yes. Passes unanimously. Thank you, Council. That's the last item. We'll go on to Committee Reports and Council Comments. Antelope Water and Sewer.

No meeting.

No meeting. Thank you, Tom. Chamber of Commerce. Last day for Wednesday night market was last week. Excellent market. Well attended. People just had a great time. If you did not attend any of those markets, let me tell you, Ms. Dodd, because great music, great time of people getting together and just having a good time there. And again, Tom already talked about the ribbon cutting, so I'll close with that. County Ad Hoc Committee. Chris, we don't have anything, do we?

Not currently, but I'm working on getting one together and I'll let you know what the time frame of the other two are. Okay.

Thank you very much. Again, you, Chris, Community Action Agency?

Our first meeting is on September 17th, and on the 24th, there's a subcommittee of the Community Action Agency for strategic planning for next year, and I'll be on that committee.

Thank you. Executive Committee of Tehama Solid Waste. We have a meeting, right, Chris?

I don't believe we do. Do we, Pat?

It was canceled for the special meeting. That's our second.

Okay. LAFCO, no meeting. Red Bluff Commission, Red Bluff Community Center meeting. November 19th will be the next scheduled meeting. November 19th. Thank you, Tom. 19th, you said?

November 19th.

Okay, thank you. Air Pollution Review District, nothing. Continuous Care, Chris and Mark.

Our next meeting is September 9th.

September 9th. Thank you, Chris. Solid weight management meeting.

September 3rd.

That's tomorrow, I mean Thursday, right? Yes, sir. Thursday, thank you. Transportation committee.

The last meeting was supposed to be August 24th, but as Public Works Director Miller pointed out, that meeting was canceled due to the ribbon cutting up in Redding for the bus service that now goes between Redding and Sacramento and stops in Red Bluff.

Perfect.

Thank you. Additional council comments and other meetings attended? Anybody?

No.

No. Cassidy?

I haven't done a public service announcement for a while, so I'm just going to do it real quick. And I hope Heather's listening so she might get it in the paper. I would like to encourage everyone to stop at stop signs, stop at red lights, stop at four-way stops. I have seen so many people running four-way stops and people almost getting hit head on. I'm really tired of it. In addition to the speeding that goes on in the city, there's no reason for it. Help the police department help you and do the right thing so they have more time to spend on things that are a little more important. And that's my public service announcement for tonight.

Thank you. Pat, anything? No, thank you, Jeremy. OK, thank you. I want to make a comment. I was out of town and got a call from my in-laws that my father-in-law needed help. And I just told them to call the fire department. called the ambulance. And I'll tell you, I just want to thank a great fire department that we have, because within minutes, Chief Bachmeier, they were there at his house. And I didn't tell him to use my name or anything. I didn't use that name, but they were there in minutes, and we have a ring system, and I could see who was getting there first. And they were there at least five minutes before the ambulance showed up. And I just want to tell the guys, I don't know who was there, but please tell the fire department. I really appreciate it. They did a great job in helping him, and he had to go to the hospital, and so I appreciate that very much. Thank you, sir. All right. Future agenda items for consideration by consensus of council. Anything?

Yeah. I'd like to request a future agenda item per the public comment regarding the city's ALPR program. I've submitted a couple questions to staff and PD and I know they're working on those answers and I appreciate them for taking their time and doing a thorough job on that because I have questions like I always do. And so I'd like council to have the opportunity to talk to the public, given their interest in it, and receive that information and discuss the program publicly at our next meeting. I'd like to see it as soon as possible, preferably September 15th.

Are you talking about on public comment?

No, I'm talking about an agenda item. I'd like to come back for information.

What is that? What did you address, APL? The LL, AL.

The license plate readers. Oh, I see. Automated license plate readers.

I agree. I'd like Tom to explain that so it's out there publicly for the folks to know exactly where they came from, who's running them, and why they're there.

Agreed. Two, three. Okay. So we just bring in the item.

Informational item. Informational item. Okay.

We're fine.

Chief Ortega, is it going to be enough time to get that at the next meeting?

Yes, sir. We can make that work.

Thank you, Chief. Appreciate that. Anything else? All right. And citizens comment before closed session, and I will ask our attorney to address that. Closed item session. Item of discussion.

Closed session tonight is going to be a conference with real property negotiators pursuant to government code section 54956.8 regarding the courthouse annex 2 at 445 Pine Street in Red Bluff, APN 029-412-16. Agency negotiator is Tom Westbrook, and we're talking about the price in terms of payment.

Thank you. Any questions from the public? Any comments? I haven't seen, are you coming up?

Yes, but it's not about what you just talked about.

No, it's. It has to be about the closed session item. It has to be about the item. The horse has already gone out of the barn.

No, it was about what was just brought out by Cassie Pope.

Yeah, okay, let's just, thank you, we're past that. Okay, so with that in mind, I will close our public meeting at 6.52. Don't worry, we've got more time than money. I think it works right now. Thank you. Coming back from closed session at 7.19, I will turn it over to our attorney, Sophie Myers, for the report.

Thank you, Mayor, Council. Reporting out of closed session, direction was given to staff. Information was received. No reportable action was taken.

Thank you, Attorney Sophie. So we will, with no other items, I will close our meeting at 7.20.