Town Council - Regular Meeting

Call to order.

Please rise.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Ordinance violations.

violations, we abate that 398 Weston Street, 181 Kelly Street, 173 Florida Street, 161 Tarr Street, North Shore Drive, 1510 North Shore Drive, 1498 North Shore Drive, 1440 North Shore Drive, and 306 Spring Beach Road. And there's an error for a patient with the article at 1665 North Shore Drive. This is for the following violations.

Thank you. Convention, election, primary election. Floor is open. Anyone?

Yes. So, Nene, we'd like to hear from the members as to what your commitments are with regards to bringing forth formally an ordinance for review by the full council and for a vote. From what I understand, typically ordinances can't be passed in the same meeting, but given the timeline that the county has requested that they have enough time to kind of administratively deal with this, They're requesting it in November. Statutorily, you have until January 1st to pass an ordinance. I think it's January 5th to submit it. However, they're asking.

They're asking for November 3rd.

Well, not November 3rd, but, you know, November earlier.

Yeah, that was the date that Shelley Williams had sent me.

I think the November 3rd is a... a request, but obviously you statutorily have until January 1st, but we're just, you know, wanting to hear from the members as to what you can commit to in terms of bringing toward the formal petition, excuse me, a formal ordinance and vote by the council. What I understand is that typically it can't be voted, can't be passed the same meeting that it's introduced first, unless the vote is unanimous. And so there could be a vote the same day, the same meeting that it's introduced. And if the vote is unanimous, then it can pass that same meeting. So we're just curious to hear what your thoughts are.

Okay.

We would have to have an ordinance, which we don't have before the board yet. But you can suspend the rule and accept it on the first reading. So that would be this. One more meeting.

Yes.

How do we present you an ordinance? Is that something we need to do?

That's something we do.

Okay. Is that something you guys are willing to do? I think that's what we're here to hear.

Yeah, we're willing to do that. It makes sense. It gets into the 21st century. The only issue that I have with it, my concern is, is if we do pass all this, are people really going to be involved? I've been doing this stuff for over 25 years for this town. And every time we have an open position or we have somebody resign, We have to fight tooth and nail to find somebody to volunteer to help us. That's my only concern. I mean, I'm not saying I would not pass it because of that, but it's just one of the concerns I have. People want to get involved. They say that, but then, you know, they don't. And so then we fight tooth and nail to get just sometimes to meet a quorum for some of our committees.

We're doing it.

That's my only concern about it. I'm willing to pass it and make an ordinance and go forward, but I just need involvement from people.

How are you letting people know about what is needed?

As far as I know, we advertise newspaper and we put it, they were putting it out on the town site while it was still up.

The website and the Facebook page.

And the Facebook page and

And the meetings are always posted outside or they're posted in here for anybody that wants to attend.

Anybody wants to come to a meeting. We tell them the meeting that we have a need, but honestly, you know, we're, we're fortunate to have two, three people here. Yes, sir.

But it's not possible to meet in the box. It's just, we're just having a meeting.

Well, you can get a copy of the agenda at any point in time. Not the end?

Second Tuesday of every month. We're here.

Second Monday.

Second Monday.

Second Monday.

Yes. I very much appreciate what you're saying about the involvement. And I think the problem with the convention is town versus primary town process is that the convention process is not something that's as understandable, you know, widely by the people as a primary is, you know, everybody knows when a primary happens. There might be a difference in that it's in an odd year, but it'll be in May and people campaign and put their signs out and there's polling stations. But as far as a convention process, you have to know you have to be, first of all, a Republican in the town to even have a part in the process. And then you have to know when the Republican conventions are held to even be a part of that. And then, you know, knowing when the rules are, it's very obscure. I mean, even me and being as old as I have been, don't even know. I've been talking with people, actually, the next convention, we don't even know when the date is. It's sometime next year, you know, and But we know that a primary is always going to be in May. I just think the process is much more understandable when it's what 95% of the towns in the US are doing.

So the date of the convention changes according to when the position is going to be filled. I personally took the place of Ben Castle.

You're talking about something different. That's a further complication.

That has nothing to do with what we're talking about tonight. Okay. That's if someone would leave the position before it was able to be elected. So that is done by the Republican Party. It has nothing to do with what we're going to talk about here tonight.

Okay.

So invention has to do with if you have four people that are running for three seats. In the 33 years I have been here, it has happened one time. So we go to primaries, but we're not probably going to have four people running for three seats or even two people for one seat. I have to beg people to run. So we can do it. It's probably not going to cost any money because we're probably never going to have a primary.

But if we do, it is $2,000 left, right?

It's $8,000 for election results. That's if we go to staggered terms. We don't have to go to staggered terms. Right now, everybody's on the same year. Everybody's elected. The election time is up the same year. So if you go to staggered terms, you'd have to go, you know, One in 27, one in 28, one in 29. Or if the county or the state only wants us to do it on odd years, then it'd be 27 and 29. You'd have one and then two.

And I think we discussed that. It's very important that we have at least somebody on the board that knows how to run a meeting so they understand this. Because getting into this, there's a lot of stuff, guys. I'm not in this for a year yet. And I'm still learning.

there's a lot of things and obviously um i feel so important that we do have some uh some knowledge some history behind understanding how to work and process and run a topic it's really important that one board member remain uh so that you always have one person who knows what's going on or what the path has been to bring that forward to the new additions um So for us, we would have to go to a staggered so that not all three are leaving at the same time.

How do you prevent that? At the same time?

Well, we won't be because I'm leaving.

Just a simple question. All three of you are If all three terms are out, you have the possibility of all three of you leaving or not being back the next year. It seems like by going to a staggered election term, hopefully by going to a staggered election term, you're preventing the very thing that you're afraid of that could happen if you don't.

No, that's actually what we've talked about as a council. If we move forward, and you guys are going to see us vote on this tonight, is when we do that, that is the way we would like to do it. Because we have had discussions about this. Obviously, there's a cost involved. We have looked into this. You know, unbeknownst to some of the information that's been out there, we have worked on and talked about.

I'm just saying, it sounds like going to this election system helps prevent the very thing that you're worried about. It seems like a good thing.

Yes, I agree. Yes. And one thing I actually want to say is I appreciate everybody being here and showing the vested interest in your town. Like I said, I've been on this board for not even a year now. Like Cheryl said, there's been maybe at the most 10 people, I think, at the biggest meeting. So I love seeing this. Deidre, you've been here a lot. And I appreciate that because I want to see people love their community. You guys should. You guys should have a vested interest in what's going on in the city. But again, to Cheryl and Kurt's point, we need you guys at the polls too. We need you guys helping out. Not just because you get a letter in the mailbox to show up. We want you guys here all the time and helping us because this is your town. We're community members just like you.

That's it. That's what we do.

That's why they want to have the election. Everybody knows that.

Did I make a motion? Yes. I would like to make a motion that we move from our convention to a primary election. Sorry.

On paper.

We'll have an ordinance next month for October meeting. And thank you guys for showing up tonight. I really appreciate that. But please make sure that you vote. It is important, not just in the one election. There's multiple ones. And it's very important that you vote.

Yeah. I had a lengthy discussion with our state rep, Dave Abbott, about the election and the importance of it and so on and so forth. And your opinions are needed everywhere, not just here. Like Ken said, you need to get out there and put your two cents in. Put your vote on. Get out there and get it done. Okay. How's the debt paid?

I am still in the final process of doing that. The bank and the software company are trying to finagle just some dollars and cents points. They're not transferring over correctly to the bank, right? So when it says $4, it's saying it's 40 cents at the bank. We're trying to get that fixed, so hopefully by the end of this week they should have that completed and we should be able to get that started.

I did reach out to farmers to make this happen. This has been the third time we've talked about it, so it needs to be done. And we'll move that to next month. Ordinance to add 35 mile per hour speed zone.

on 900 to Sowers Road east of Spiker's property?

Do I need to put that on my book because I'm in fact properties?

There's an ordinance in your package.

Oh, okay. We don't have jurisdiction in the county.

So I gave it to you when we originally did it. Do you have it, Dustin? I've never seen it.

It was supposed to be done for this meeting. So we just pulled it to the next then. Put that in your notes.

I thought it was going to happen after that.

My right hand is the old golf course.

Yeah, I'll pass Sowers House. From Sowers to State Road 9.

Sowers to State Road 9. Currently it's up to 45?

It's 45.

Okay, so we're making an ordinance. Potentially going to both, it would be 35 miles per night.

Cybersecurity plan, second and final reading.

We went ahead and moved that to next meeting. So if you do have an opinion on that, please come to next meeting and talk about that. Again, that is Old Sawyer House to State Road 9 is what the proposal is.

45 now?

Yes, sir. If it's not posted, what is the speed limit?

If it's not posted, it's 55. It is posted at 45. Okay.

You just rattled off this and I just wanted to clarify, you said we don't, that's in county jurisdiction and this is, you don't have jurisdiction for the county.

We do have jurisdiction from Sowers Drive to Alliance. Okay. So the county had asked us to do this, so.

We have jurisdiction within the corporate limits and then a two-mile radius around. Everything else outside of that's county.

Two-mile radius around?

Corporate limits of the town.

Corporate limits of the town. You have jurisdiction. Okay.

So where is the north board? Where did Wolcottville have marriage?

I don't know what Wolcottville says, but it's not. Our two-mile goes to Wolcottville.

for zoning purposes. I think Volcaville falls under the Grange County. They are. I don't think they have the radius. It would be two miles. Maybe. I don't know.

They didn't do it two miles, and we did ours first, so ours goes to a little bit there.

Is there a boundary map someplace?

It's in the hallway. Okay.

Anybody else have any more questions on that before we move on? Okay. We do have questions.

So does that fall into like part of the golf cart community? That's definitely an ordinance for the in-town or city limits.

It doesn't have anything to do with just jurisdiction.

So there's a gray area.

operating golf carts on a county road. However, the towns and cities are golf cart friendly. I don't really particularly mess with it, but other officers will, so I don't really have, but as far as state law goes, you can't operate a golf cart on a county road. However, if there's certainly, it's just a big gray area. That's why I don't mess with it. But I don't want to tell people different because somebody may cite a citation or something like that.

Dustin, the position of the sheriff is that it is not legal to drive them on county roads.

Right, that's what I'm saying, but there's other officers that will.

That could be, but what I'm saying is the sheriff's position, and he's the law enforcement officer for Noble County, is that that is not legal to drive on county roads.

Okay, well, there you go.

I have my tags on my golf cart to travel down any place that's the OTR tags from the state. I can drive down a county road.

A golf cart, no. A UTV, yes, if you have it tagged.

I think the golf cart would be written on city streets. If you have your registration.

Yeah.

But not into the two-mile. Correct.

Right.

Gray area. It would go in the gray area.

You can with a registration. Thank you. They're still required to follow all the rules. But whether people do or not, and whether there's an officer there when it's happening.

I don't want to confuse the issue, but here's a question that I've had for a long time. The bike paths, okay, if you happen to run in our community, especially on the levee and stuff like that, it says no motorized vehicles, okay? How do you define a motorized electric bike versus a golf cart? Because every day I go on that, going on nine, either going north or south, I see a bunch of 13, 14, 15-year-old kids driving 20 miles an hour, and I know they can't pedal that fast, going up and down the bike paths. But yet me having a golf cart, they're not permitted to drive on that. And it's being motored by the same process, electric battery.

That's regulated by the state of Indiana as to what's considered a class one, two, or three bicycle. So they allow them.

We have no choice because we're following the laws of the state.

So an electric bike going 20 miles an hour is permitted on those where it says no motorized vehicles, where me driving my go-kart, which can't get in anywhere near 20 miles an hour, it's not permitted on that because of state regulation?

Yes.

Is the trail for interproperty or city property?

Well, Noble Trails owns it, the majority of it. The section through town, part of it's the towns and part of it's the conservancy districts.

So who owns the ledger?

The conservancy district.

Is that a municipality? Partial municipality or is it a private corporation?

No, it's the group in town, the elected group in town that takes care of the dam.

Oh, a private business?

They're elected by the body in Rome City. It is a government entity.

The town of Rome City?

No. It is a separate government entity.

We are a tax district.

By who? Okay.

Can I ask another question, please? Who paid for the improvements on the levee where all the pavements sat down? Wasn't it the town of Grove City that paid for that?

Conservancy, yes. Well, the town paid for some of it. The Conservancy paid for some of it. Noble Trails paid for some of it. The state of Indiana paid for some of it. And the Lake Association paid for some of it. The Chamber, other people who made various donations.

Right.

So under that broad scope then, I guess I'm asking that. Since it's very difficult to determine where the distinction is between who paid for what on the bike paths and stuff like that. Can I ride my golf cart on that then?

No.

Even though you have a difficult... It's a bike trail. It's a bike path. And it's the state of Indiana that says you can't do that. It isn't any of those entities that provided those improvements. It's the state of Indiana.

I want my money back for the license I have from Roma City because I can't get to Roma City from the right thing. Can't hear you. Can't go on the county road. Can't go on the county road. Can't go on there.

Can't go on the state road. What?

No. Can't go on the state road. He's not on there.

He's not on there. He can't do that. Yeah. We don't want Wolfsburg on the area. And I'm not trying to be rude or anything about it, but

You guys ask, you want people to give our opinions to you guys, but you talk to us all like we're a bunch of idiots. Oh, no, sir. That's why we're trying to ask and get questions answered. And you get people talking behind on the back, and we all see it. We're not idiots, but we just don't understand the rules like you do. So that's why people are here asking questions to you guys.

I'm sorry if you in any way felt that way at all. That's not it. If I'm looking at Lee, it's because... I know that she knows more about it than I do.

And she does know a lot. I'm not discrediting any of it. This gentleman here is asking about who owns what. He's just trying to get clarification. And you're talking amongst each other, not answering his question at all, other than the Conservancy District or this or that. He's just asking a simple question. That's what people are here for. So we're not trying to knock anybody down. We're just trying to get questions answered and Be polite to you.

And what question is it that you need answered?

I just asked. I kind of went. I'm just here listening to get the gist of what all is going on. And we have the exact same question that he already asked about the bike path. We were on the trail yesterday and a bike went by us at 35 mile an hour and about took us and the dogs out. And it's like, how is that? It was a young kid. But yet, we get yelled at for being on our longboards, manually pushing to go down the trail, and people say, tell us to get them off of there. We're going seven mile an hour.

Yes, sir. Well, this may be something... Is the gentleman on the end of the tour? Yes. Okay. So, if the Conservancy District As a government entity, do they have the ability to pass an ordinance or alter a law to allow golf carts on the levee since they own it?

And they're a government entity. It's a bike path, so likely no, unless they make it a motorized path, then you're going to have people riding motorcycles. golf carts, UTVs, all those on it. I don't know if that...

The problem is not that. The problem is how do they get across the bridge. You cannot get across the bridge using what's the NDOT put in for the bike path. So you can't have motorized vehicles on that portion for NDOT.

So the new bridge. Okay.

Yeah, a bike that has an electric engine. Yeah. And considered a motorized vehicle.

They're not classifying it then.

I'm going to say, well, you guys have changed. No. I think they're broken.

Can we check it out here right now?

It seems to be a difference between 750 watts or less. There's distinctions. I'm not sure who's checking the watts on bicycles, but we'd have to make a distinction there, probably. But I think we should be able to check that out with the states. If we can make it open, the town where we're sitting is the big old groups of alcoholics. You can be more descriptive there.

But you can't.

Well, it's definitely something we can look into, but I don't know what we're allowed to restrict. Like I said, I think just in a quick read, there's a distinction about the lots of bicycle that.

And since it's not on the agenda, would it be like a motion to.

I can look into it. I don't think we need a motion. There's a lot of people that live on the north side that

would enjoy being able to bring their golf carts into town. There's a way to figure it out.

But ultimately, then you stop at the bridge, and we have no way to make it an ordinance of any kind for the state of Indiana, even if it's in our town.

You understand what the bridge is talking about that I just read there?

I do, but I'm not sure which member of NDOT is going to sit there and monitor and leave.

They won't monitor it until there's an accident. And then when they're back, then the liability is going to come back to us because we've allowed it.

How do other communities allow people to ride their golf carts down State Road?

That's up to them. If they want to take that liability on. There you go. We don't, we don't want to take, I am not going to say that the town of Rome city should take that liability on. That's huge liability. And I'm, I mean, it's up to them because they're elected for it, but as the town manager, I'm not going to advise them that they should do that and take that liability on for all of us.

We ever had any catastrophic golf cart wrecks.

Well, it only takes one.

I haven't heard of him. That would be a question for Paul and he's not here. By the time I've been here, no.

Not been here for

And I don't think there's anything the town can do to allow. But like in Hamilton have them going down 427.

It could just be a choice of not enforcing the law. There you go. So, you know, what laws do we not enforce the other way? I can't do it.

Sorry, do we need to move on?

No, we don't want to. Because my son lives there. And they were one of the first golf cart communities that got permission from the state to use their golf carts on two state roads because that's the center of town. And they can't get anywhere if they are not on a state road. And they have 550 golf carts in that town.

Yes, I know. I have a sister that lives there.

Because you can't get anywhere else. It was under the impression once the bridge was there, I could get over to the North Shore, I think.

Yeah, that's just for the bicycle. I'll tell you what we're doing. Let us look into this right now. We're just, I think, giving you guys a lot of information, what we think we know. So let us do our research just so we can talk intelligently with you guys. So I think what I'm hearing you guys say is you guys want to get across the bridge if it is possible. We're stating that there's a lot of entities. We have to make sure we work together. So let us do this. There's no sense of, we understand what you guys are saying. I appreciate what you guys are saying. Let us look into it and we will get back to you guys. I think that's the best course of action. Does everybody agree? Okay. All right. Thank you, guys.

So rate increase first review the cybersecurity. Cybersecurity plan. Second and final reading. If you have any questions about this, please. City Council Chambers, City Council Chambers.

City Council Chambers. City Council Chambers. City Council Chambers.

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This was a cyber security that we have been working on.

Can I ask a question before you go on, please?

Is it retards to the cyber security? What's that?

My question is... We're not there yet.

They're not there. We're just trying to keep on track, so I apologize. We just want to make it a time.

Yeah, if you could say something about it. Yeah.

Indeed it.

What if he needs to read it so they know what's in it?

What we're hoping what you're going to read the whole thing, the result of what we're going to do that I was probably interested in the best national already.

Okay, so we move city ordinance report. It's a four. It's a four. In order to amend the ordinance 2505, ordinance 2408, there's a whole bunch of ordinances that it's referencing. Fixing the schedule of rates and charges to be collected by the town or city. Indiana from the owners will probably serve by the sewage works of said town and other matters connected therewith. Then, whereas the town of Rome City has constructed, maintained, operates, or works for the collection, treatment, and disposal of waste and sewage. The maintenance and operation of site collections, treatment, and disposal of sewage has been in effect since 1976. And then there's a couple other paragraphs about whereas. And then B.R. We're being by the town council of the town room so the area section of the ordinance, I just repeated up top and it gets down to the proposed monthly schedule for the region. So residential each each single family resident unit preventive collection he 150 a month plus an additional dollar for billing would be a total of $83 a month. For commercial. RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS, FIRST THREE EMPLOYEES, $85 A MONTH, PLUS $1.50, WHICH EQUAL $83 A MONTH. I'M SORRY, $81.50 PLUS $83 A MONTH. FOR EACH ADDITIONAL EMPLOYEE, $14.50 PER MONTH. PROFESSIONAL OFFICES, FIRST THREE EMPLOYEES, $81.50 PLUS $1.50, WHICH EQUAL $83 A MONTH. AND THEN YOU GOT EACH ADDITIONAL EMPLOYEE AT $14.53. And then restaurants, drive-ins, bars, taverns, organizations with eating and or drinking facilities. First two employees, $81.50 a month plus $1.50, which gives you $83 a month. And then each additional employee is $19.34 a month. And then it says commercial continued for beauty and barbershops. First employee is the same, $83 a month. Each additional employee is $2,902. Gasoline service station without car wash, $109.94 plus $1.50 is your $111.44. With car wash, add per automatic wash bay, $167.24 a month. And then a car wash, it's automatic. $136.34 plus $1.50. $178.84. Each additional car wash bay, $167.24. Car wash manual, first car wash bay, $81.50 plus $1.50, which gives you $83. Each additional car wash bay, $81.85. Laundry mats, first floor washers, $125.08 plus $150 gives you $126.58. Each additional washer is $3,189. Shopping, residence, $118.78, $1.50. Additional billing gives you $120.28. And then event center is $305.69, $1.50, and then $307.19. And the next section is schools and daycares and lodges. Does everybody want me to read all of those too? The school for 25 students, 83 a month. Additional students, 232. The daycare, first people enrolled, $83. Each additional people enrolled, 232 a month. Churches, lodges, and veterans organizations without eating or drinking facilities for 200 members. or a fraction thereof, $83 a month. With eating and drinking facilities per 200 members or a fraction thereof, $103.72 a month. And then governmental, first three employees is $83 a month. Each additional is $12.53 a month. And then the industrial, Manufacturing domestic use. First three employees, $83 a month. Each employee additional $13.56. Process load must be on liter grade. And then it goes into large volume meter users, which is like the treatment rate for 1,000 gallons of U6 per month is 360 a month. And then base rate per month, up to 250,000 gallons of average flow per month. For the previous calendar year, it was a bill of 866.66. And then for each additional five gallons, average flow per month. Previous calendar year, it was 1797. And then there's fees for path connection fees, system development charge. I don't think any of those change. They're the same or they're the same. And that's it.

You accept the first reading?

There was a study that was again it's we're studying. I don't know earlier this year.

So what percentage is that for residents? What are the questions, sir?

It was a $10 increase. It's a $10 increase.

So that's 16%, almost 16%.

And this, according to our ordinance that we passed with it, this increase will be the last increase until another new study is completed, which will be, what, two years?

Is that study available for review, please? Mm-hmm. And you used to determine that you wanted a 60% increase for your cultural rights?

Yes. Yes.

It's part of the public records. Yeah.

The reason for the increase is that we've been operating in the red or near the red for several years. That's why we've had to bump it the last couple. And our facilities are in need of upgrades that are going to cost quite a hefty farm at this point. So we're trying to stay above water so the whole thing doesn't fall off them.

A lot of the equipment that is out there, almost all the equipment that's out there is the original equipment. Nothing was done. There was no maintenance made on these to replace them in between to upgrade them or anything.

I would say there was maintenance done, but when COVID hit and everyone was home using the facilities and everybody loves to use the wipes, I guess, that has caused a problem with the pumps that were 50 years old. They could handle toilet paper and human waste, but they could not handle the wipes. And so we had huge amounts of pumps that we've had to switch out and change to high-grade pumps that can handle it, because other ones don't. But they were working fine. I mean, they worked for 55 years with no problem until 2021.

What I meant was no maintenance. I meant no replacement maintenance. And our guys got into a position where they were unable to get parts because the pumps and grinders and everything were just so old, there weren't any more parts available. And in order to upgrade, We had to buy new pumps and new grinders because we couldn't get replacement parts for the others. And what was the cost of that last batch, Scott?

You're talking about the big grinders? Yeah. Big ones, I think they were probably about $14,500 apiece, $14,500 apiece. The small ones we get, they give us a discount, but we got to buy it. 10 at a time, I think they're $2,500 a piece. The old pumps are discontinued. So we can't get part of the hydromatic anymore. And they've been, like you said, Wipes are big factors.

That was actually a question I was going to ask. Since we have so many people in the room, is there anything they can do to help other than the dude wipes, not flushing baby wipes or whatever? Is there anything else?

That's a big thing. Baby wipes, dude wipes, any of those types of wipes, they say they're flushable. That might be in a system that's all grout. Well, our system here is all pump. So it doesn't biodegrade. in 15 minutes by the time I get to my pump and close it up. So if you don't use those and other things I find in there, it definitely helps. Like cigarette butts, I see a lot of applicators, woman applicator stuff. That stuff ends up in there. I don't know why, but it doesn't make it to your pump too well.

So please, if you would, try to help police out with your guests and things because we do want to keep the cost down. This is not fun.

Does the town of Rome City maintain legal easements to access your pump stations and sewage lines that we're paying for?

So what was the question? Could you repeat your question, sir? Does the town have easements?

Does the town of Broome City maintain legal easements to be able to access?

We have legal easements, yeah.

To access your pump station, utility, man's world coverage, and any sewage lines?

Okay. yeah.

I just know someone who's planning to put a fence down the middle of the room, and if you have legal easements.

Well, they'll have to get a permit to put a fence down. Down a road?

We were told that our road is no longer actually considered a road.

Oh that's not a road. I know where you're at. It's not a road.

So even though my family don't have property for forever.

But you have sewer and you have manhole covers and you have... Well, the easements would be for us to access. Correct. Right.

So... You can't access the manhole cover?

If they can drive down the road to access the manhole, then they're going to be able to drive down it.

Or whatever it's called. It's not really road, so... Well, I mean, again, I'm paying property taxes rather ethically. And I'm told that I'm on a paved road, but it's gravel, and I spent $13,000 putting gravel down for it. Well, I mean, I appreciate it.

But I don't appreciate being told that I can get to my house via a boat.

I don't know who would have ever said that.

No one in my office would have said that.

I had to get with my realtor and the title company to find out what was going on with my loan because I was told it was addressed as a private loan. There is no documentation on any paperwork saying that it's a loan. I've called the courthouse, I've seen the records, I've asked who has pulled the permit to put a silver to get to my house. If someone puts up a fence, it gives me less than two foot to walk to my house. I don't have access to my house until someone owns the road. But if I have to access my house, I have to go through the lake and get through on a boat. So I've done. I've asked so many questions. How do I get to my house? Nobody maintains it. The public record shows it is a paved road. It's not a paved road. I would like to We also have Nipsco power lines that are alongside this private drive. They've been there arguably since 1971 when I was born. I'm sure that Nipsco has an easement for that. But it would be Nipsco's easement.

I mean, you'd have to look at your deeds and see what your deeds say. The deeds would say on there, your access would be there. I mean, I know quite a bit about that area because my grandparents had a place there for over 100 years. And there was never a road there. It was always a private easement for those homeowners to get to their property.

Right. So that's what I'm saying. My family has owned that property for, what, 80 years? So now all of a sudden I can't get to my house?

I don't know why you're saying you can't get to your house. You can get to your house. You have an easement. No.

We don't have an easement. And he can put a fence right down that way. And I can't get to my house. Right.

Yeah. Okay.

Well, he has not applied for a fence permit. He has not even spoken to me about anything about having a fence.

It hasn't come before the zoning board. It's not been in either minute. No, he has not. And I'd really like to know who told you take your boat.

I'm sorry, but that's not okay.

No, it's not acceptable. I won't be having that. Do you know? I don't take my vote. I can't take my vote. Did you call this office? No, just by my name. I'm not sure how I'm supposed to access my vote. You took my vote?

I'm out. I'm out. I'm out. I'm out. I'm out. I'm out. I'm out.

Well, I do know that it's illegal for them to deny you access to all sides of your house. So there you go. You know, the chances of them, you know, if that's the measurements and so on and so forth, when they go for the permit, I'm sure that'll all be All signed out for them.

I agree. Could they just pave it? Pave that for the four houses? And have you noticed who bought a road?

The road depends on whether it's been dedicated. If it's been dedicated to the town, that becomes public road. But if it hasn't been, it's private.

You get a dedicated road.

The owner.

The owners have to dedicate it if it's in something that's kind of...

But like if Alley Good owns half of the road and then we own the other half of the road, so like his property comes right down the middle, what can we do to just make it so there's an easement that goes through so we can just get it dedicated to be a road?

I'm really not sure. Mm-hmm.

And then there's no question. On our property taxes, it says that we have a paper.

Well, my property taxes say I have an alley next to my house. It's not an alley. It got paved, but it's really a fire lane. And they paved the fire lane. And that's all it was supposed to be. But the other neighbors across the street have closed it down. And it's their yards now. But I pay taxes on half of that. But it's for a fire lane, not for a road or anything.

So if we get permission, we can bring support? Well, it'd have to be surveyed.

all that platted and put into the road inventory. But yeah, it could be done.

Put into the books and then it can be done.

Is it eminent domain? Is that what you're saying?

No.

No.

There has to be a label area where somebody has allowed people to use their private property for over in 70 years that they forego and it just carries on that people can still continue to use it. There's the banjo contest.

Again, it's probably a civil issue. You should reconcile with your own attorney. Teetering on the edge of giving legal advice might be an easement by prescription, but you have to talk to your own attorney to figure that out.

I think you guys would want to figure it out because your suit of mind is going to be behind a fence if he doesn't. Well, they would get torn down. It's a little bit different. Thank you. I like you want to cover them, I guess. That's an issue for, you know, if and or when.

You need to pass the sewer ordinance?

No, this is only the first reading. Next month we'll pass it.

Does anybody have anything else before we move on on the sewer? Any questions?

So with the 16% tax increase, is there like a plan to replace the pumps? Or is this just for like a maintenance issue, like a hot water, like this one goes out?

No, we already have some orders. When will that new equipment come in?

What percentage of pumps are you replacing that are home?

We'd like to do two a year, but sometimes it comes up.

So Cheryl, you're talking about lift stations? So yeah, we're trying to do two lift stations per year. We have 28 lift stations. We're currently at, we still have 14 more to do. We will have two done next year and they're over $100,000 each. So it's $200,000 to do $100,000 to do a, lift stations. And then the grinders, as they go bad, we replace those.

And those are the ones that are important?

The grinders are the ones that are $2,500, but there's two pumps in each station, so there's $5,000 there.

And our other issue has been at our ponds for the sewer department. We had a wall that failed, and we had to have that taken care of. And they need to be, the ponds need cleaning?

I'm not complaining. I'm just asking to see what the plan was moving forward. I have no problem paying that. Just asking if there's a problem, if there's a plan moving forward. That's all I was asking.

Well, I have one question on that because I thought I saw something when we moved here that if you flush something that causes a pump to fail, that you could be charged. So why aren't the people that are flushing wipes that shouldn't be flushed being charged?

There are several residents.

There's no way to trace that.

We could spread out amongst everybody on that line.

So I figured you'd charge all three people on that phone.

Would you like for us to do that? No. I mean, that would really help our budget line.

I mean.

I think maybe they're talking about it with throwing M80 or something down the toilet, you know, or the sewer line kind of a thing, or maybe a flush towel. We might be able to trace that kind of a thing.

It might be a good idea to tell people if they're having a problem with a lift station attached to their house. Because I've never heard of a situation by us that that's happened, and maybe it has, because I got two or three neighbors that we would get together and say, hey, get it straightened out.

Well, when we do have that, we send it out to everybody that's on that station and let them know that. So if you haven't gotten a letter, then you and your neighbors are doing fine. You're doing a good job.

But yeah, it's just a part that we're asking for your help. All right, if nobody has any other questions, we're going to move on.

Thank you. Natalie Schelling from Commonwealth.

Okay, so Natalie is not here tonight, but we had, you know, the companies, the list for the companies on the upcoming sewer project that we're going to have done. So Bowen Engineering was the only company that came back interested in bidding the project. And the project is upgrading our main lift station and adding a screen to our Um, first pond out there to keep all of the wipes from getting into the pond, because the problem is, is that they don't biodegrade. And so now our capacity in our ponds is filling up because these wipes don't biodegrade. So we're going to have to clean the ponds out at the tune of $250,000. So to stop that we're when you put the screen in, but we are going to be having a meeting with this Bowen Engineering to discuss what they want to do and how they want to proceed with it. And that will be September 21st at nine o'clock. I will need at least one council member present at that meeting.

There's nobody else that has opted to bid the job?

No, we had another company that opted to bid that said they, They might be able to do it if we delayed it. After talking with our attorney, he said, anytime anything's ever been delayed, it's ended up in a lawsuit. So we decided not to delay it.

Where are the RFPs for the city?

I'm sorry, I didn't hear you. Where are the RFPs for the city?

Well, they're not bids. So what we're doing is we're doing it as a construction project. So this company will come in and tell us what needs to be done, and then we'll go that route. And then they will do the project. Because the project is such a small project, which you're not going to get people to bid it. And Natalie can explain it better than I can, but... JoAnne Hanrahan, That that was a choice you guys decided to go through, instead of the process. JoAnne Hanrahan, It also sees it out.

JoAnne Hanrahan, Well, we need to speed it up, because we want to get out something on board before the weather change.

JoAnne Hanrahan, 9 o'clock.

JoAnne Hanrahan, 24. JoAnne Hanrahan, Tiffany Parker request an appointment of noble county conventions and visited your.

JoAnne Hanrahan, yeah tiffany's been serving as our representative. JoAnne Hanrahan, The last three years and her terms up so they've requested she'd be reappointed. JoAnne Hanrahan, And it's a good fit since she's the director of the gene strand quarter.

JoAnne Hanrahan, What is this.

JoAnne Hanrahan, Just. JoAnne Hanrahan, For.

Just to attract visitors to Rome Center?

Well, that's what the visitors do. That's a lot of words, but that's what they do. So it makes sense for Tiffany to be our representative since she knows what's going on at Jean Stratton Quarter. Well, she's on the chamber. I've seen her.

It's a three-year term. Okay.

2027 budget notice to taxpayers. They're not here.

That's been removed from the agenda. Item three.

So I did get the notice to the taxpayers for the 2027 budget submitted. I submitted that on here September 2nd. I have attached also a copy of the budget form one for last year and the budget form one for this year. I have highlighted the changes that I have made. There are some additions that I had to add due to some state legislation changing, the building and permit fees going into a separate fund and being... and only certain things being allowed to be paid out of that fund. So like in the general one, I have the building inspector and the plan commission, and I have put that into the building fund. So those will go there. I just made a few changes to increase the town manager salary, social security per, and the health insurance, just get that in line to where It's projected to fall out for next year. I made a few cuts. I get janitorial supplies, telephones. I did also add an appropriation for marketing for the parks department because they have started to do that. That is for the parks advertising.

Okay.

Facebook stuff that we do. Yeah.

So I did take that. Can you have a lineup for last year's one here with this so we can compare the two?

Yes. Yep. Yep. They're right there together.

And I did this up for you so it shows you what the increase was from last year or the decrease to this year. So Last year's budget was $765,591 in general, and it's decreasing $13,000, so it'll be $752,499 this next year. Is that our cut from the state?

Yes, that was their suggestion.

And then MBH was increased, so I don't know.

Yeah, that was their, that was what they suggested. What they had suggested, so.

And then public safety, she had an increase in 2000.

And why did that go back to, why did public safety go back to general funds? It hasn't. It doesn't.

But it will in 2029, 2030, they're going to eliminate that fund. So we're going to have to. find, put $115,000, find $150,000 in our general budget to fund that unless the state decides they're going to give us a month out of, you know, all that extra money they have.

Tag, you know we're going to get some of that. Sure. Yeah. Tag, you know we're going to get some of that right now.

Do we have a new position for this year other than Scott?

I know Scott is, you're still looking for a position now?

We're still looking for a position. We're still looking for a position here, so if you guys know of anybody. Scott, if you want to tell a little bit about what you're looking for. You guys know a lot of people, so.

What we're looking for is, we need a new position for the street and waste water department. We're having problems finding applicants. even people that could have navigated. So we just need somebody that's a little bit, you know, knowledgeable, a little bit of everything. So like go running equipment, it's sort of a, it's a learning deal for, even if you got experience, but got good benefits, decent pay, but we'd be, Thankful if you would spread the word to try to get us maybe a few back again. What is a decent pay? Yeah. We're starting off around 19. So benefits. Benefits, yeah. So it's a pension. It's not a 401k. You have paid holidays. I think you'd love them.

Love paid holidays.

Love paid holidays. You get personal days, four personal days, six days a year. After the first year, you get a week paid vacation. Three years, you get two. And then, again, I don't know what happened after that, but it goes up to four weeks.

Thank you. So if you guys do know anybody, we'd appreciate the call. Yes. Yes. Yep.

Yeah, you don't need to get laid off.

And it's also a job where if you're doing well, and you come to work on time, and so on and so forth. Yeah. But you know, we're over a 90 day period, you know, that that original pay could go up from three and the budget that we have for the election for the

No, because I didn't have that information until after I submitted it. So you don't have to find it. Yeah. Well, I can't come back and add it. I could pull it out and do an appropriation and pull it out of something else, but I can't just add it. I can't add to what's already been submitted.

Okay.

We need a motion to make a motion to approve the 2027 budget. I'm not sure what day that's on. That's a Saturday. Prompt retreat for Rome City Elementary School will be October 16th from 5.30 to 6.30. National Food Insurance Program.

So FEMA is now catching up with what they had told us our base flood elevation was going to increase to about four years ago. So it's going to go from 918 up to 900. 18.8 and then indiana requires the two foot free board so anything that's being built along the lake will have to be at 920.8 which i've been enforcing that since they originally said they were going to change that increase that um to that higher level um what we'll have to do is pass a new ordinance once this goes through the process of they'll have meetings and let people speak to whether they think it's appropriate or not. And then once that's done, we'll have to upgrade ours. And that will have to be done through DMR. So they usually give us a boilerplate ordinance, and then we tweak it to fit our information. So I would say in the next two or three, probably in the next three months, we'll be looking at that.

How does that affect people who have to pay flood insurance? Are new people going to have to start paying it if they're raising it?

If their house is not at that level and they have a mortgage. If you don't have a mortgage, you won't have to pay it. Correct. So that's why any new builds, I make them build to that elevation.

You may not know. I have to play much. I have a mortgage. And I didn't want to move here. But I'm not going to say that our lake is at a flood level when we have a dam. I don't get it.

I've had that conversation with them numerous times and I get nowhere. I'm trying to get ahold of people.

Our emergency plan is set that we will open it before it ever gets to that level. And So, but they don't classify it as a flood control structure. So that's how they get around that. Even though it is a flood control structure. It's not classified as a flood control structure.

I've always wondered that. I actually got told when it happened, measured or whatever, that it happened because of the treatment. Well, they needed more money, so they went out and raised everybody's stuff. They've got to fill the coffer.

I don't know if that's true. So most of the seawalls, the elevation of that, the top of the seawalls is 918. So I don't know. It might be worth it to have. Have you looked into having a Loma?

I looked at having a guy come out and do an elevation survey. He said it's too close to call. They should only be going by your basement floor. Is the garage just your garage? But it goes directly into the house, doesn't it?

There's steps into the house?

There's steps going up into the house, but there's no living area down.

You might want to look at that.

I've talked to two or three different guys. Who'd you talk to?

They would know. And they probably don't want to put this professional license on the line for it. That's my guess.

I would just carry it. That's important for people who buy an older house on the lake. It's not getting cheaper, for sure.

How does this new situation affect existing LOMAs?

It shouldn't affect the existing LOMAs. So they gave us a whole list of all who has a LOMA and that it will be moved forward. What's your address? Do you have an existing LOMA?

Yes, correct.

Not under my name, but I have a little problem. Okay, what's the address?

350 Lakeside Drive. I don't think it's 580.

That's 580 Lakeside Drive.

Okay, yeah, you're on the web. So it's, yeah, it's,

It's on there. So hopefully that part on the new map, that'll show that it's not in any. So what the LOMA does is it just takes it out until they update the new maps and then it should pull it out when they do the new maps in theory. But it's in there, so you're all right. Yeah.

If they have a LOMA?

Oh, we could put that on Facebook. Yeah, we can make a copy of it.

Where would you guys like to see this? Facebook?

You'd like to see this on Facebook or

Does that work for everybody?

Okay.

There is, but it's such a pain in the neck to get them to put anything on the website that we end up putting it on Facebook. Because we have control of Facebook and if we send it down, we have to send it to Indianapolis to get them to update the website.

Or if anybody wants a copy, they can come into the office and we can print one for you as well.

So we've got Kennelly's the last item on the agenda.

Probably need to accept Gilberto's resignation. We're looking for a replacement on the plan commission. Anyone interested? I'll let you put your name right down there.

Anybody would like to put their name down for the plan commission? This is what we're doing. We do have an opening for that.

Right.

Anybody else.

Number eight. My agenda. Well, all right. Catalytic process equipment gearbox for the sewer, $7,382.55. It's for the flocculator. In the flocculator. What does it do?

So that mixes the ferric fluoride in with the water, and that's what pulls the solid down. Okay.

We talked about the glass gearbox. Yes. But I talked to their tech, and he states, when I tell him what's happening with the old gearbox, he said he doubts it's rebuildable. So I just ordered a gearbox, but before I chuck that old gearbox, I'll bring it back to the shop, spin it out, and make sure that I can't, if I can rebuild it, I'll rebuild it and have a spare. Because what happens is everything will work. Now it ends up taking two, three months to get it for better, which we don't have much time out at the plant during the season just to discharge. to wait that long. So, but I won't just throw the old one away.

Okay.

Thank you.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Holiday parties. All right.

It's getting close to that season again. So that way we can get ahead of the schedule. I know we've done it the last couple of years at Doc's Landing. I know we've done it at St. James a couple of years. I didn't know if anybody had a preference or if we wanted to stay with Doc's or if we wanted to try somewhere else.

I would prefer to stay with Doc's. This is kind of what I'm saying. So we should be supporting local businesses. What do you guys think?

And is there a day that we want to look at, like the beginning of December? I don't know what people's holiday schedules look like.

Yeah. Like the first weekend of December? Last weekend of November, first weekend of December. Okay. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.

It'll be the first. Yeah. Yep.

Departmental reports, town manager said nine meetings for the month.

We have 10 building permits issued. One of those was a new home in town and the other was a new house out in the county. We had two variances coming up on Thursday. And plan commission has a rezoning from ag to enclosed industrial and then they'll need to do a special exception for outside storage. It's for Arnis boats. They're Currently In the right zoning. So we're going to get them. correct it and put it in the right zoning. Conservancy district paid bills, balanced books. We're working on updating the district plan and the emergency action plan. We had the dam inspection in August and everything was fine with that. We also did the tabletop exercise and that went well. We had sheriff's department, fire department, marshals, Red Cross, you name it, everybody was there. Park board types of minutes in the agenda. We've got the new benches installed at the pickleball and tennis courts. Bike trail update. So to get the grant finished up. I was waiting on the sign on the north end and Jim had finished that over the weekend so now we can get that grant closed out. Lumber loss landing, I spoke with Mark Webb on the agreement for the town to take over the sewer extension and he's working on that. He has another lot that he sold, but we're gonna pull the sewer from, The name just went, oh, antlers point instead of putting in another grinder station. So Mr. Patton is working with Mr. Webb on getting that easement, that sewer easement and that extension there so that we don't have to have an additional sewer station, which is, yes, it is great. And I'm currently working on the annexation for that, those parcels. The bridge you've obviously noticed is open and completed, but now they're paving to Wocabelle. So,

It was a 15-minute wait.

It was. It was. But hopefully, I look for them to be done in six weeks, hopefully sooner. You know, they're going to get up against where they can't do the asphalt. So they're going to have to keep it moving to get it done. So the sooner, the better.

Yeah.

The CCMG project for Lyons Drive, all the concrete roads, Lyons Drive, Park and Sylvan, Central, Ellis, that is on track and we will be submitting that here in the next couple weeks to NDOT to see if they will approve that project.

Okay.

And I have another interview this week with somebody for one of the openings in the utility department. So hopefully that goes well. The tree that was damaged in the storm earlier in the spring down in Sycamore Park has been removed and the Conservancy paid for that. And that is all I had on that. But last month we had talked about removing the old

Yes, that was approved.

Why can't I talk tonight? The old pole barn back over behind me, new building for the street department for cold storage. And we had to get quotes on the concrete. So we have two quotes, one from Laughlin Construction, and it's 9,540. And then Milat Construction came in at 11,860. So the building itself is 17,550. And that's a little bit more than it was when we talked last week, because Scott had to change the size of the doors.

Yeah. I guess larger doors because I don't want nobody to hit that side with Bobcat or something.

Yeah.

I had to go a foot higher with the building to get the 16 foot wide doors is what it was.

Okay. Good choice though.

But it only went up like $1,000 to go to the library. Yeah. Yeah. For me, that's also a thank you. So.

So if you go with lawful construction for the concrete, the total would be $27,090. And did you talk to them about whether they could get it done yet?

Yeah. Both concrete guys said they could get it done this year. For cold? I don't know how far that company goes in putting them up in the cold. We might spin it off. We thought that there was no snow or not. Yeah. All in favor.

Aye. Aye. So.

We had 9,460 230 gallons come in. What we put out, we put out 4,001,445 gallons. We had five call-outs this month, 68 locates. On grinders, we sold two pumps, lift stations and post-zero. Some of the stuff we did this month, so At the shop, we installed the wood plows and hit up the chain to mark the boundaries, and a golf cart can be flying through there. And we also cleaned up all the telephone poles and the concrete to make it look a little bit better, and pulled it off the plant. And down by the brush bin, we was having problems with water standing in it. It smelled pretty bad once that brush started to deteriorate. So we dug a trench, and we put some number four natural stone in there to help drain the water out so it's not set in there to make it such a smell. And at the plant, we trimmed back the roadways because it was growing up along the road and we didn't dump trucks and stuff. Diagnosed the problem with the mixer, which we talked about. It was the gear pump, so we ordered one of them. We received it. We haven't installed it yet. We hauled brush five times this month At 8C, we got a call out about an electrical cabinet had caught on fire. Had to repair seven wires and replace the contactor and change two wires. It melted. Also found one of the pumps had burned up, but we haven't pulled it yet. We found out the motor went bad on our bumper crane, on our service truck. At 440 Spring Beach, we got a call out and found both pumps had burned up there. Went out there to pull one of the pumps and the plumbing broke in the tank. So then we ended up putting a pump down there with a hose going to the neighbor's grinder to keep it in service until it's repaired. And I talked to them. It sounds like they may be starting either today, well, I wouldn't say today, The call to locate the call in today that work over there. Work on that. This week is true of it. The more people do that. You have it on schedule and then the bumper train. We also found out that they were not in bed and I can't get part of that on the train that we have or something different. You get that one.

Yes, that's right. The water.

the snow well no yeah well then we've been talking about ordering salt so we get a mix because if we don't get no extra people we're going to be pretty busy just coming to leave season with just you guys well thank you for everything scott is in his team who takes care of all the snow maybe remove all the stuff thank you

Commercial. The police department's monthly report for August. Vehicle mileage, SWAD1 was the 154, squad two is 32, squad three was 661, squad four was 1,326. Hours worked, Rome City one was 175, Rome City two was 172, Rome City three was 166, part-time was 38 and a half, reserve was 40.25. Poundholding, its violations, abandoned vehicles was one, read abatement was 10, Golf cart or ORV was 1. Officer initiated events, business checks 41, warrants 1. Park security checks 94, assist other departments 16, community policing is 9. Traffic violations, traffic tickets initiated was 9. Written warnings were 56. Other events, vent check 1, golf cart inspection 7, vent check 1, ORV inspections 4. Complaints, animal one, suspicious persons one, juvenile one, suspicious vehicle four, welfare check two, alarms one, mental health one, miscellaneous seven, medic assist three, and driving complaints two. Case is open and or arrest made August 3rd, criminal mischief and criminal trespass, August 5th. August 9th was illegal possession and illegal consumption of alcohol by a minor. August 23rd was a domestic battery. August 25th was a theft. Meetings attended. August 6th, police prosecutor's meeting in Rome City 1. August 10th, town council meeting. Myself. August 13th, NDOT Bridge Meeting Online, Rome City 1. August 27th, NDOT Bridge Meeting Online, Rome City 1. Training intended or conducted. August 4th, Department Training Evidence Packaging. All of the officers on Rome City attended that. August 14th, Rome City Dance, Tabletop Exercise, Rome City 1 and Rome City 11. August 18th, Department Training Stress Shoot Everybody on the department attended that. Special events and activities, August 7th, Orange Township Light Parade, August 8th, Chautauqua Days Parade and Block Party. Notes, August 7th, set out barricade the street department for parade. Also on August 7th, rented two police vehicles from Topps Gear for Chautauqua Days Parade traffic control. August 8th, picked up street barricades from parade and block party. Also on the 8th of August, return rental cars to Papstere. August 25th, picked up a new squad car from Move Over Outfitters. August 31st, Squad 4, Two Shepherds, Auburn Oil Change, entire rotation, new air filters, new lug nuts through the swelling. The... August, there was a very change of the, from May, 177 from May is 212, June 157, July 183 polls. In the following page, there was 107 polls in the difference of May of 130, June of 78, July in 120. Following page, there's Dispatch took dispatchers of two, dispatcher 911s, two sex offenders, two civil process, one probation home visit, one action patrol, one fire gas leak, one domestic battery, one bin home check, one suspicious vehicle, one follow-up, one school walk, one assist other, one CITs, one juvenile complaints, one drug complaints, one suspicious person, one. And that was in defense of July was 19. The following page, there was 73 calls taken from May of 66, June was 78, July was 77. And the speed limit sign is still eastbound on Front Street. The minimum speed was 5 and the maximum speed was 53. And on that one, when that's going to be the solution. Go on.

Thank you. Thank you very much.

Frank presented for payment from funds. $127,647.34. So we're operating $64,216.05. Correct. Second. All in favor? Aye. The next town council meeting will be October 12th, 26th at 6.30 from City Town Hall.

Thank you guys for all attending. Our email addresses are on the website in the town. So if you have any questions or comments, please feel free to reach out to us. You're more than welcome to call me. So thank you guys and appreciate you guys being involved. And I'm retired, so you can call me. Yes. How much do you lose? How much do you lose weight?

You never really want to get out. You never really want to get out.

I got two questions for you. I've been an engineer for 55 years. My expertise is water and wastewater. ...

I've done, I've done.