Board of Library Trustees - Regular Meeting

We are here for the uh Ribbon Library Trustees meeting. Today is Thursday, April 10th, 6:30 p.m. Um, all right, getting started. Correspondence. Um, so we we got this today. It's a certificate awarded to the Runore Library in recognition of valuable support from the Girl Scouts of Eastern Massachusetts. It's girls troop 61150. A nice nice group. Okay. They have a meeting. That was nice of them to acknowledge the library port number 61150. Okay. Um minutes for prior meetings. Did everyone have a chance to look at the meetings from March 13th? Any feedback or questions? I fixed the location. Thank you, Mara. Okay. Um motion to accept. I move to accept the meeting minutes from March 13th, 2025. I second. All those in favor? Great. Thank you. Treasures report. All right. gift, we have $40,483.64. State aid has $39,355.88. Mmdt has $19,32.14. Building gift has $30,578. MBLC had Green still has the $686,44. Lead has $116,895. And the bar month ending balance was1,681,71610. That is lower than prior money. Yeah. Okay. Does anyone have any questions about treasures

report? Okay. Moving on to friends report. Um I was not there. I'm just looking over the minutes right now. Um let's see. So, they approved summer reading budget requests. Um, 5,000 for children's, 5,000 for teen, 2500 for adult. In addition, 1,000 for a patio makeover, $1,000 to purchase new planters, plants, furniture, and lights to make over the patio for the spring to make it more inviting. Um, And this happened I believe right after mini golf. It did. So I don't see their total on here. Do you know the rough total I was told is about 15,000. Right. That's what I heard too. Is that okay? Good. Yeah, that is your expenses. So they recapped mini golf. I don't know what they said, but um and then they recaped the Love Your Library Candy Contest. All good was the I mean, how could that be bad, right? Candy. Um and then they voted to continue the fresh packing program. And then staff appreciation lunchon looks like it's September 30th. Book sale is coming up next, the first weekend in May. So I believe I saw the book drop off days April 30th. I'm trying to find that information should be the few days

before. Yeah. So Yep. So the 30th is drop off day and then so that whatever is I don't know but that first week the third yeah fourth maybe second third fourth something like that that sounds right and that looks like the main things uh see building updates Um, so the elevator, um, Eric is still working on getting the purchase order. Apparently, it's going to be very expensive and say exactly how much to have those, um, fixed. He said, it should be okay until they do. And he's going to try to do it around our schedule. And then the front door keeps um, being the front door. It keeps um uh there's like a little wire that controls the push bar and it keeps shorting out. So um says that it's the software, but we can't find anything in the software. Yeah. Look at the software. So Eric, thank goodness for Eric. Yes. Um that's about it. So sometimes it will close and sometimes it won't open. That's the Yeah, it will be technically the the system that says to unlock with the door unlock itself. Okay. Any questions about building situations? Okay. Uh moving on. Assistant director's report. Mike, um I went to well virtually went to uh MVLC tech services

user room yesterday in the morning. Um, and then I was on vacation half of last week and the week before and then sick. So, pretty much just been catching up on everything this week. What did you learn at the user at the user group? Aside from boring catalog stuff, um I guess uh a lot of the a lot of libraries are sort of redoing the local history and archives and that's kind of causing a problem with MDLC because it's a lot of time and effort to do it. So they sort of made up a new um procedure to um catalog all of the more archival stuff than local history stuff. Um, so that was something I sort of rolled out and explained. It doesn't really affect us because we don't have that sort of archival stuff here, but it was interesting. That was really the highlight. So, it doesn't apply it doesn't apply. It doesn't apply to this. No, it's for like stuff like uh like boxes of papers uh like government papers and stuff like that. We don't I asked Jeff, but I don't think we have anything like that here. have more pretty standard like books and uh reports and stuff like that which are easy to catalog. So this is more like loose leaf stuff or um what was other stuff like not schematics uh but like building blueprints that's the word blueprints and stuff like that that some libraries had uh and they didn't know what to do with them or like what they wanted to do with them for PLC. So they came up with a new procedure for it. It just confirms MVLC, not MVLC. No, MVLC. MV. Yeah, for the minutes. I just want to make sure we had the right one. They sound the same. Yes. Okay.

Thank you. Does anyone Okay. Um, does anyone have any questions for Mike? Okay. Director's report. Okay. Um, so on I was the Bolton Public Library director, uh, Kelly, she reached out to me and, um, she told me about, uh, Bolton Pride, Bolton is doing a pride festival. Um, I guess they've done it in a few times in the past and in the past they reached out to neighboring libraries and this year they reached out to all the Mishopa libraries. So, um, I'm not able to make it, but I reached out to staff and James and Susan are both very excited to go and represent Littleton. So, they'll be going to the booth at Michelle Pride on May 18th from 1 to 4. And so, yeah. So, I just wanted to make you aware of that. Great. Today, May 18th. May 18th time. Is that a li a what? That'll be an hour library booth. A libraries booth. How? No, it's just like one booth. It's sort of like third Thursday except um it's just going to be one booth with um the show libraries and then there'll be other booths for other stations. Do they you guys need to bring anything for the booth? Yeah. Um do they're all coordinated with each other about what they're going to do. I guess there's going to be buttons and the whole thing. Okay. If it doesn't fall into like a regular budget, you can let us know. Okay. I'm sure friends will support too. Yeah. Sure. Um we held a all staff meeting on March 18th. Uh we mostly went over the emergency management plan and other updates. Um the staff went around alone and gave updates about what they've been doing. Um talked about upcoming summer reading. Um overall everyone's doing pretty well. Um they did suggest that we stay open later on Mondays and Fridays

until 5 because it's hard to get patrons out on those things. Um and uh so I'm looking at maybe next year if with some staff changes it might be possible actually with the current budget. Yeah, the current budget. So I'm I'm still looking at it but it probably won't be until next fiscal year. Um thanks to funding from friends. Um I screwed up the patio a little bit. I'm still working on it. Um, and I attended an MVLC membership meeting on March 25th. Um, at that meeting discussed their plan to move to the new offices in Lawrence. So, they've been been in Northover for a few years now, but they hate it there. Um, it's the landlord doesn't really help them and uh they keep losing parking spots. has new um it's like a big complex and there's lots of different organizations and companies that work there and um they've lost parking spots, they've had floods. Yeah. So, they're moving to Lawrence anyway. So, that was mostly what we talked about about um how they're going to be sort of offline for the next couple months. not really but over there and um while they move and um yeah and then uh with the temporary closing of the Westford library we've seen a huge increase in the number of patrons coming from Westford here so it's been good um you can tell I come in because hoping their library looks like this in the end old turning yeah so uh staff has been very busy just working with them um plan take a vacation in a couple weeks, April 25th to May 2nd. And I also sent out an email telling you guys I have surgery scheduled for May 30th. And I'll be out for two weeks. The surgery is going to be simple, but um I won't be

able to talk. So, um and they say on my but um anyway, but Mike's got it covered. Yeah, but Mike's got it covered and he's going to cover the trustee meeting that we we had in June. Great. Um good. Um so, yeah. So, the rest is just the stats. Um, budget's doing well. We're on track for the year. We're almost done. Almost reached the mark. Only a few thousand still to go and yep, doing good. How long is Westford's closure? Um, I think they're moving into their temporary space now and then they're going to have a temporary space, but it's going to be very limited. Yeah, I think so. Um, and then I think it's going to take a year and a half to two years before their new their renovation. Okay. So, they're in the process moving to the tent. Yeah, they're renovating the current library and they're currently moving to the temporary space. They might even be in there by now. It's been a couple weeks. Um, I'm not sure when they're I don't remember when they're reopening. They're opening the new temporary space, but since then a lot of their patrons have just been coming here because I don't think they have the same sort of I don't think you can just sit there right just read and yeah I heard the temporary space was curbside only there's no physical library to go into I know that's what Mel did there when you're in the process of it. Yeah. And then um the new center is supposed to the opening day is supposed to be May 16th. lab. That's going to be the cutting. Will you be there at that? Is that in between your vacation? Yes. In between vacation before surgery. Okay. Any questions about director's report? Um Sam, I have a question for your if you um so my understanding there's discussion about what to do with the town hall building and there's a meeting. I think

it was last night about this. Yeah. So, yeah, from what I understand, their plan is that um the departments are going to move out into a temporary space at the old IBM building and then um the new town hall is supposed to be built at that site. And then the idea for this building is to um turn it into senior housing. Whether that means renovating the space, which probably won't happen, or just tearing it down and building a new 40 unit um space is the plan, which the town would lease from um I believe it or whoever ends up we lease this building. The Yeah, the town would lease that that new building, the the the senior housing. So, we're going to have to discuss what the parking that was my concern. That is that is something between the two buildings here I'm very concerned about. So that's not going to happen for like four years. So we have a lot of time but that is a concern that um I'm aware of Liz is aware of. Yeah. No, it's going to significantly impact Yeah. both of these buildings. And from what I heard of the meeting last night, it was the town's plan was not wellreceived. So the people that were at the information session were not happy with that people to attend. So right. So I'm assuming it was recorded. I guess so. Okay. It's coming up a town meeting also. So there's is that this town meeting? Yeah. Oh. So okay. Whether that I will look for the information session to and you're also all aware I sent out an email Ryan um when he after town meeting. So, end of middle of May. Where's he headed to? Conquered where Anthony is. Anthony is okay.

Okay. All right. All right. Thank you. And if you hear anything about or anything we should be aware of with the parking lot building area, just let us know. Please keep us up to date. Well, I already have concerns about the parking because I've come on a weekday to try and go to town hall and there's nowhere to park. There's no parking. And and once the center opens like where are all those people supposed to park and a 40 unit will come with cars but even now once this opens people that's it's going to draw more people because it's more space. So where are those people supposed to park? I don't know. Yeah. So they're supposed to have parking across the way and then they're also going to work on creating parking on the shadic street side like parking that you can like pull into. And hopefully when is park and wreck moving because they that's also supposed to be coming up soon because they have the vans that my understanding is that's the summer like in their busy season. So it's going to happen to the house next office that's supposed to be sold. Yeah, they're going to sell it. Yeah, sold back or sold. Yeah, I don't think town's keeping. It was just used to have a a backyard full of seniors library. The best purple door in town. Okay. Break on day scholarship updates. Um we Chris and Steph and Sam and I met um and narrow down the field from 11 to 5. Um we are doing an interview with those five. That's next week, next Wednesday I want to say. Um, with each of the five, at which point we will decide which two to give the scholarship to. Um, lots of really strong applicants. It was great to have that many. Yeah. Do you want to say anything or Chris, you want to say

anything? I thought it was I thought it was hard to choose and that was not something that we necessarily had anticipated because of course we were like hoping for more. Yeah, there's a lot about 11. I think five is the most we've had in the past. Yeah, five is the we thought the five was. Yeah. Yep. So, well done to everybody who sent out the information about that. So, this upcoming decide and Yes. And how did the rubric piece work? Makes to get it down. So just think process for next time you guys. Well, one of the things we said for next time and it makes more work for not necessarily Sam but whoever does this is when we receive them you could deidentify them to the best of our ability and then that would be part of the product. I don't think that was a big problem necessarily like at least providing aside from the people saying hi my name is and I haven't had we can consult with you guys about it but I'd like to at some point maybe when you guys are done yeah we'll have to do the same thing and I we didn't necessarily cross check how anybody did it against the rubric so I don't know if we can for the interview make the rubric like a suggestion like it's useful for us as a tool that I didn't ask to see yours and how you arrived at your score. So if you if if it's a gut thing and you're not worried about it, I think we can assess it that way maybe for the interview, but maybe we can talk right. Yeah. Yeah. Good. Glad there's a process. Um All right. Staff appreciation budget. All right. So, I got the quote from corporate casuals and um Steph circulated the order sheet for staff and um you have the numbers of who's everyone's ordered. Everyone has except for one who said, "Thank you so much. You guys are great. I still have my merch from last time." So, we have one

who doesn't want anything and everybody else favorite. The one question we have maybe for Sam is um there's only one polo among the group and we it's okay to do a polo. That was my concern like can we just get one? We can but um I can I can check in with you separately just to make sure that that person would want something if everybody else is not going to have it. I mean I don't think everyone's dressing in matching outfits and I just wear that like Right. But if it's worth communicating that that way without the peer pressure that everyone else is doing. Yeah. I mean, we'll still order whichever they want. So, no problem. And then is there anyone among us who wanted one that I didn't get a response from and I should volunteer so I can get in. We can talk about that. Yeah, we're paying for out of Yeah. And I did have a question about the logistics for that. Like how do we We'll talk Let's coordinate with Sam after for the I know we had a process before. I can pay for it with the credit card and then we reverse. Yeah, you just write a check to the library. Um so at this point we need to um vote for draw of money um based on the numbers of shirts and the types of shirts and um extra costs like the setup fees and things like that. We um are suggesting that we move to withdraw up to $800. Um that should cover be more than enough to cover everything and also give Sam a budget for adding a few extra items into the list to have for future staff members. Move to withdraw from and move to but it has to go somewhere. I I'm not that's not my order. I'm just saying this is our suggestion. Everyone is comfortable with it. I'll give you Yeah. So $800 seemed

to be more than enough. It was like 65040 without including the extra. And then there's a 35 fee on top of it. So yeah, like that gives you another couple hundred to get some extra shirts for future staff. Um or as needed without having which is what we did at the leases before. Yeah. And that worked relatively well. Okay. So, um I move to withdraw up to $800 from um the bar 3 line 314 second century libraries fund to the MMDT for purchase of staff shirts. I second. All in favor? I I Great. Thank you. Chris, do you have that? Definitely not. Okay. Email it to you $800. Then you got the main things. I'll send it to you right now. Um, so that was it for shirts. So, we will be in touch about for anyone who wanted to order their own shirt. Um, what your check will need to be. Thank you both for workflow list. Very excited about life. Please pull my I was excited for everyone. All right. director performance review updates. Um Sam, thank you for submitting your draft performance review. Um thank you to everybody who submitted their feedback. Um Sarah and Katrina and I are going to meet after this to review everyone's feedback. So thank you for that and come up with a kind of a consensus feedback for you. And we'll meet with you next week. I guess it's next week. Yeah. To um Yes. Um we should go over that. So thank you Mike. Um, does anyone have any things they want to say about that? Okay, just an update. New

business. Um, yeah. So, I'd like to request that we open at 100 p.m. on September 30th, 2025, December 9th, 2025, March 10th, 2026, and June 9th, 2026 for staff professional development days, meetings. That means ahead. I like it. I know. I know. I did a whole not even on the fiscal year making requests before. Um, do you have ideas of what you want to do for each of those? Oh, yeah. Yeah. But those calendar well and the timing for stuff. Yeah. I didn't catch the dates, right? They were written down somewhere. September 30th, 2025, December 9th, 2025, March 10th, 2026, and June 9th, 2026. I move the library closes or opens late on the date Sam listed for professional development. What time is that? Usually 1 p.m. I second. All in favor? I Great. Thank you. Uh so I'm sorry. September 30th, December 9th, March 6th. March. March 10th. March 10th, right? Yep. June and then June 9th. Yes. I think um 256 and we're opening at 1 those days. Okay, great. That's our comment. All right. So, um the survey that I put out two months ago, um I took offline last week. And so some highlights were that [Music] um the top reasons that people visited the library. So first of all we have 93 respondents 186 were online and seven

were paper. Um the top reasons people visit the library were 84% said borrowing books and other media. 54% said attending events or programs. Um 30% said meeting others and 30% say other. And some other reasons including notary services using the city library museum passes um just doing work uh doing the puzzles and play and socializing socializing with their kids and with each other. Um overall uh library satisfaction um with programs is very high or or high at 86 um 4%. Um patrons would love to see more author talks, um more arts and crafts programs, more book groups, more genealogology programs and game nights. Um the majority prefer inerson programming over online or hybrid, but some people did say they like that. Uh popular programs include story time and youth activities, technology workshops, book clubs, and author talks. and they said they primarily learned about library news through the newsletter, social media, and the library website. Although a lot of people said they're kind of over social media and they don't like it anymore or they prefer that we um use other social media outlets. So that's one of the reasons I created the blue sky account in case you're wondering. Um they responded overall they were satisfied with the format of the newsletters with most responding they felt neutral about the format. Um they did not prefer shorter over more frequent newsletters for over long monthly um longer monthly newsletter. Um they prefer online marketing to print even though although I have been creating so um as you guys know I have to create a newsletter also for the town. So that I do in word. So I've realized I can just print that out. So I've been printing those out and those

have been going on hot cakes. So apparently people like that too. So um so yeah I killed two birds with one stone because it's created anyway. Um they suggested we move away from Facebook and Twitter as an alternative social media outlets like I said. Um one of the most frequent suggestions was extended hours as I said before. Um Sunday hours um more staff picks displayed online. So, I'm working at doing that. Um, I figured out a way to do it through a library, but I'm trying to figure out how to make it more uh nicer now looking basically. Um, so I'm trying to remember my HTML from school and several respondents said they weren't on social media. Um, there's survey results reflect strong community support and satisfaction with the library services. Patrons value both physical and digital offerings. Um they very very much valued library staff. Um like I said they requested that we explore the feasibility of longer operating hours, increase programming variety and accessibility and improve communication outreach to ensure patrons are aware of what's available through online services such as any questions? A few one is thank you for the survey results. Is there any way to see their responses? It doesn't print out like 78 responses to what is your favorite. Yeah, it was too the file was too big. So I can send you the link. Love it for those. Yeah, be great. Thank you. Yeah, I tried to do that but it was way too big. Yeah, it was great. I would love to see the information. Sure. Yeah. Um and then phone question had to do with I guess just a a couple. Um the longer operating hours I forget did we ask when they like what days they would want to see like what uh were was it like bigger at we want Mondays and Fridays to be longer. No that wasn't a

specific question. I think that was just something people wrote comments. Okay. I appreciate that it came up in the survey and I think personally I think this is something we should totally explore. We do the strategic plan um and do the community engagements and things like that to get better feel when people want the library open. And that's one possibility. If we want it sooner than that, then we can come up with a plan to talk about it. Um, so I think the followup to this was what are you and Mike going to do about the results? So we've been working on um I've already worked on creating more programming that fits. So like we had the Sourdough Brandon the other night that was a huge success. We had a huge turnout for that. um working on doing more arts and crafts programs. the author talk thing. I think people think they're looking for like John Gian or something like it's way too but they're always around that like um you can do um online chair does that you can you can be not just your library but yeah so when I went to Phoenix to the conference um there is an organization that does that and I just had to reach out to them um and then um you know like I created the blue sky account it's try to create more differences. I've been printing out the the newsletter and patrons seem to really like that. Um, yeah. So, we're we're working on just responding to their their wants. Overall, they seem pretty satisfied what the library does actually. 86% is pretty good. Yeah. So, good job. Y pretty good. Um, but yeah, so just working on, you know, more programming offers um and um, you know, That's what I think. Is there ways to still keep the library visible in town

that we haven't to reach out to people we don't typically see. I know like there's the 250th event happening on April 19th and they were looking for people to do booze. Yeah, we could definitely try to do that. Um, I've been to the um I've been thinking about trying to get out there more and like maybe going to the senior Yeah. group down the road. They did reach out to me the other day and asked if we had a bookmobile. But uh you know I could probably go there or some of the staff go there. Um it's just really it's finding people to go do that issue the budget for that. Yeah. But um yeah, they're definitely something we can look at. I don't know enough about that would ever like if it were coordinated in terms of going to people or sorry you'll be looking at your mirror. I don't know that interesting way. Yeah. Yeah. It's hard because like who gets the survey is probably the people who have come here. So, who are we missing and what feedback might bring them in the door. So, at least I mean you did you did do them on the the town newsletter and you also did it on like a town. Yeah. A typical and looking at the ages too of who filled it out. That was missing some. I mean, only one person said they never came to the library. Never. I think the rest of their answers like Yeah. Yeah. No, there's it's hard and I think the connection piece of this day and age is really hard to establish and then you take beyond like the typical circles. So, but this is a great it

gives you direction for the next near future know where to go and where to keep going. It's great question. Sure. Oh, you're not supposed to technically. Okay. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Ask. Yeah. Yeah. Um, okay. Any other questions or comments about the survey? No, thank you. That was really revealing. Other business, I have a couple things. Um, do you have any is there anything? Okay. Um, first I just I think we probably all got the email about IMLS and some changes. Um Sam, I just wanted to check in with you and see it looked like from our from our perspective, we're not going to have access to some of those free webinars and things like that that we had before. Um and then also some stuff about like I don't know if the Perkins books apply to our library or not, but how are you feeling about the about what's not feeling? Um is there anything that we can that we can help with the impacts of the changes in the federal government? We're not directly impacted, but it, you know, it really mostly affects NLC and their staffing levels and their support. Yeah. Their support. Um, I I never really saw a huge I don't think a lot of our patrons use like the symbol for clients or things like that. So, I think we're okay. It's okay. All right. And the girls validate you. We are necessary. Definitely. Thank you for like there were emails that you know I got like four from different various different places. Um but if when you do hear things like that and if there's a way that we can advocate or support or anything like that that comes to you and you think we should know like please keeping it out. Yeah. Yeah. Like going to the state house whatever right. Yeah. Um okay. Does anyone else Oh, I have one more thing which was Meera. This is your last meeting. Thank you so much. You've been here for so for like longer than

everyone else. Yeah. So, thank you so much for everything you've done. Very very grateful pleasure and thank you. Good luck to my successor. Yeah. So, thank you for that. Sure. That's what I wanted to say. Does anyone else have any other business they'd like to bring up? All right. Does anyone have as a trustee any updates they'd like to share? Well, I went to Migo both Friday night for the adult night and then Saturday with my daughter, which and I always love that. I also did lots of library bingo cards. I didn't Oh, no. Sarah, but I last year, but I did I did at least five bingo cards. One I filled a card. Whoa. So, and then others I But so I really enjoyed the library. It's great. Good. um the author talk of the Cambodian genocide. Yes, that was really good. I appreciated that collaboration. Yeah. So, more things like that would be wonderful to see. I know that was funded by a grant from the high school as well, but but Sam's talked about doing Littleton Reads next year, right? So, I look forward to that. Yeah. I do think a lot of people enjoy that um just the presentation but all a sudden the books here are accessible and everything to go Sam there was a question actually following up with that the um school was wondering what happens to the books that were here when the I asked them what they wanted me to do with them and they said that they will get back to okay there was a question of whether they're still here if we are to weed them could it be weeded in a way that could be reused by Yeah, that's the question. Yeah. So, we put them in bag or something. We can put them in the storage. That's what we usually do with um the large numbers. Yeah. So, they stay around for circulation. If another school wanted to do

something else back school, I know. Well, they the teacher who ran it was wondering they're I'm glad you reached out to them to ask if they do. That was the first thing I asked when I went. They weren't ready questions, but they asked me after. So, that's good. No, that was great. Mini golf went well. Yeah. Thanks everyone. Thank you for your help. Great. It was It was nice to have community back. Like, it was a nice touch point. I enjoyed running around in the building again. It's a fun event. Yeah, it's a lot of work, but I was with a group of people who are readers that the night of it and they were like, "Oh, that's this weekend." But and then I thought about like was there anything missing in the marketing or in that and I know if you don't know about that now that it had to be a choice. I think that I thought that the was really out there but when it was and it was very well there if you have ideas of I think everyone is everyone in town not just libraries and friends or whatever trying to get you know social media that doesn't work the way it used to and uh it's hard to get in all the newsletters and things like that. So if there's any ideas of how to get into you know do you do lawn signs at all? No. I mean, a few lawn signs or even like the same and they do the a multiple of those up. Okay. Yeah, I think that's I mean, if you drive around, you don't see that. I know. I know. And it's always been March. So, yeah, it's there and it's on outside of the library and it's in the newsletters. It's newsletters. It goes with the school newsletters. There's always going to meet people that say, "Oh, I didn't know." Well, that's going to be because they didn't know like, oh, I forgot today was March 13th or like they knew it was happening and then piece it together with like that also

equals this Friday. That was my takeaway. Is it in the schools? Because I know that's harder to resist like if my kids are like don't forget this mini golf. So, the the principal newsletters have changed um how they and they put it all on a community link website and so if you don't click through to the link, you don't get any of them. But I think you're more asking like if if the kids knew then they would want to come on the Saturday and I don't know that it's I don't know that it's related to the kids because they don't they don't really do that kind of announcements in the morning announcements. It's you know at least at the high school the principal newsletter much more visibly than it is currently. Right. But I don't think they communicate that to the kids at all. I don't they just don't communicate community events to the vets at the schools which I don't know I think if they did it would be too many things to try to announce. Everyone's trying to announce that's why they created the web page for like clicks through but we did make it into the high school. I don't know maybe you could put up a flyer at each school. There was. Okay. Yeah. They have a new person in marketing. So she went around and did every thing she could think of. So at some point you were like, "All right, I don't I don't know how to break through this." So if there's a new way, we're all in. I know. But they did have some new members who are really engaged this year, which is great. Good. Lots of live stuff happening. So many things. Okay. All right. Uh, shall we have a motion to adjurnn? Oh, I move to adjurnn. A second. All right.