Environmental Commission - Regular Meeting

Okay, welcome to the Township of Sparta Environmental Commission meeting. We're live in the Council Chambers at the Municipal Building. The stream is on our YouTube channel at www.youtube.com at sparta twp streams please take notice that action will be taken on the following items at the environmental commission meeting of thursday august 13th 2026. Meaning is called to order at 7 0 6 PM. Can we have adequate notice of this meeting was provided to the public and press on August 7th by delivering to the press and posting on the township website a copy of the notice. We have a salute to the flag. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

First item on our agenda is approval of minutes.

I already sent my corrections.

We have to do roll call.

Oh, roll call, roll call. Yeah, that's not on here. I just follow the directions. Sorry.

Chair Neal-Sauerwein?

Here.

Vice Chair Christine Rogers. Here. Christine Dunbar. Barbara Kosolka. Robert Otto.

Here.

Alex Burdi.

Here.

Councilwoman Margie Murphy. And Nicholas DiPrato. Thank you.

Thank you, Courtney. So the first item is approval of July 9th, 2026 minutes. I hope everybody had a chance to review these.

give you a couple minutes i'll give you a couple minutes and let me know when you're done please page four uh second paragraph i'll just i just want to put this one notice that barbara kazalka discussed the installation of the i believe ungerman field artificial turf

I was just looking up. I think it's spelled differently.

So also on page four. Under sparta mountain Sylvia I think it's s o l a u n is the executive director of New Jersey forest watch. According to Google. According to Google.

Okay.

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yeah and it's under yeah that's yeah okay other other areas i wasn't here but i have uh have something that i noticed um page six very last paragraph uh first sentence uh barbara kazog a question if the annual environmental commission report and whether it had been completed. And you'll and Chair Neil Sauerwein confirmed it was completed. I feel like something's missing from that sentence.

I don't know what though Barbara questioned whether the Environmental Commission report had been completed.

And I know I

I said it did you report it and did you did you complete it and no I said it hadn't been completed and she had questioned whether she thought it was due in the in the middle of the year and I said I didn't think so but I'd check on it all right so Barbara I would say because I was there kind of vaguely remember I believe she was asking yeah uh questioned if the environmental commission report was uh due and whether it had been completed Thank you.

Hmm.

second to last line on page three i think that final sentence should just maybe say discussion continued regarding artificial turf and noted additional environmental considerations including the presence of pfos

On page four, the first paragraph where Barbara discussed the installation, Oman Field, I mean Ungerman.

Yeah, we already did that, but you weren't here.

It's amazing, you were.

Touche. Yeah, now we got that.

You ran. Okay, I'm like, where's,

Good catch.

So we try to stay local.

Well, that's what I said. I was like, did we talk about? I'm like, man, we're really pushing the initiatives here. I just figured we got like a sustainable Jersey grant or something.

Thank you.

I don't think this really matters, but I'm just noticing on page six and a little bit page five, it looks like there's like an additional half space justification also between words like that. If you look at the layout of the text, the font, it's not it's not a big deal. But when you when you go through it, just maybe just see under EC goals those two paragraphs are spaced a certain way and then paragraph three and four is based a different way and then again page five they're all one way and then the last one kind of changes so just pick one and I would just yeah okay But otherwise, I would say if anyone does anyone because done.

Margie you want to. No, no.

So with those minor changes, I make a motion to accept the minutes. Thank you, Rob. Can we have a second?

I'll second.

All in favor. All right. Minutes are approved. We have no correspondence. We have no applications. We have no one from the public for public comment. So reports.

We haven't had a meeting, so we'll have one next week.

I haven't had him. Rev 250 or. No.

It's been a quiet summer.

The master plan subcommittee presented the recycling goals and the, what was the first one, facilities. Parts of the master plan to the planning board. Last week, I believe it was. I don't know if everybody got a chance to watch. Anyone have any comments. I would recommend you go back and take a look at it. That was pretty good.

Was that where they had someone present from Neglia Engineering? Yes. Is that the same thing? Yes.

And you presented... The Neglia... Those elements of the master plan were presented.

Yes, yes.

The first draft. And I would like you to go back and pay attention to the recycling... element, but particularly in case you have any comments. I made some comments and added some additional wordage that I contributed.

So just I didn't watch that for referring to the same meeting. One of the things that I just want a record. One of the things I really liked was they're talking about opening up White Lake to Swimming like a beach and swimming and boating possibly fishing so that was I was very happy to hear that that's a beautiful On the meeting they they were saying they had trouble getting lifeguards maybe that was the issue I

I don't know. They did say something. I did see that part. I don't know.

I thought it had something to do with the current owners also, the owners of the camps at Sacagawea.

Oh, maybe. Do they own them? Or do the people that live right around it? I don't know.

I'm not sure now. I remember this being an issue in the past, but I'm not quite sure. I'd have to go back and review that.

Okay.

I know it's been discussed in the past.

Either maybe it was in in our open space.

Can you check that the audio is it might just be because. I just got a message that people are having a hard time hearing us. One, kudos, people are listening. Two, let me just check that the audio output is maxed out. Testing, testing. It might just be Neil. You can hear? It might just be Neil.

It might be Neil. Okay. All right.

My light's on.

Yeah, but your voice is, that's just because the light's on doesn't mean it. It's your voice is very.

The lights are on, but nobody's home. Yeah, change it from a dulcet tone to an effective.

Authoritative voice.

Yeah. Okay. Did you have anything else?

No, uh, well, we've been the master plan subcommittee has been meeting on goals and that's what I'd like to, uh, for us to talk a little bit about tonight. Um, we are in environmental commission goals. We'd like to contribute to the goals of the master plan. I sent some, um, I included bullet points from the focus group that the master plan subcommittee. ran, which was us.

Other than that, that's all I have.

Did I mention last time, I'm sorry, that we finally got the okay to close the landfill? Because I didn't see it. That we And we have the parcels of land that we're going to, the state is going to get, and then we can close it, and that'll be finally done after all these years. Right. And it was like an outrageous amount that we had to give, but it's different parcels all over that's mostly wetland, so it's all going to be protected. No development can be on those parcels that we're giving the state.

Yeah, that's good news.

Yes, finally.

Yeah, it was something like. 10 to one or something more than that. Was it more than that? But they're protected, so that's yeah. Yes. Alright. Moving on to on a finished business. The first thing is we talked about Environmental Commission mission statements. Our environmental Commission mission statement. Sorry. Christine Mason suggestions and. Rob sent some later on today.

I don't know if you had a chance to read them.

But if you want to take a look at them now.

So, well, I'll let everyone...

explain I want to wait for Neil and Christine to put forth something before I. Before I offered something. But then I would suggest that we kind of take bits of each.

I mean, they both have good points.

So pretty comprehensive.

So I think it's important to include the section of that section that provides for environmental commissions to be formed. So that's why I included that. And so I think that could be added to Christine's if she were OK with that. In reading mine, we don't. Both of ours, I think we're both agreed on a scientific based research, but there's going to be a question who's going to carry that out. So when we talked about. Scale and intensity ordinance idea suggestion that. You want to get a licensed professional to carry that out, so I would suggest. I mean, I would suggest we would workshop this and look at the two. But that we would want to basically, in the way that ordinance was structured, We would want to choose a professional to represent this body to carry out such scientific analyses, as we deem appropriate just in general, like we don't have to go into great detail, but obviously we're not expecting the board to do that, and that also wouldn't be prudent.

Right, I was going to question that kind of conducts rigorous scientific research well and then there's.

And then how are we going to provide science-based recommendations? Both of those require that we have some scientifically-backed analyses that are done. So I'm okay. The other thing too, that air, water, and soil, I agree with that. I just change it because Just to land as more of a vague thing, because there's subsurface, there's surface, and then I checked how the EPA did it, and I think they refer to it as just land.

Yeah, I think since we just got Rob's comments today, I think we should put it on the meeting for next time, spend a little bit of time trying to workshop them together and come back with one draft that we could comment on.

I think that's a great idea. I agree.

But I think there are two or three parts to this that are similar. So we agree that we're informing Town Council Planning Board and Zoning Board, and that's important. We agree, well, I'm saying that we're allowed to do this per NJSA 40-56A-1.

So I guess I understand where that's coming from, but I wanted to understand what we thought this would be for, right? So what is this mission statement for?

Who's the audience?

Who is the audience? Yep. Where is this going? Because I think right now on the website, right, it references this section.

Yep.

But so is this mission statement kind of at the top of the website? And this is the couple sentences, because that's how I approached it. That it's more like, here's our quick, if we were going to, elevator speech of what the Environmental Commission is aiming to do in the town. And then it could feed in to the code in its complete form. That's on the website. And it talks more in depth about what the Environmental Commission is aiming to do according to the code.

Well, and then the other question I have for yours, and I agree with all that. So in your last sentence, it's pretty much the same as... Yeah, it's similar to what you had. Because I looked at you and kind of... So I agree, education, outreach. I was just referring to recent specific ones. Right. We could keep it vague because who knows what will come. Empowering residents, elected officials... and appointed or board members, however you want to do it. But do we, is, is sustainable practice like, I agree that we should strive towards sustainable, but that's the other thing. So can we think about who are, who is our audience and what is our end goal? Cause I would say my end goal, it's similar sustainability and, uh, Well, the land use government, but also the balancing development and natural resources. Yeah, that's what I thought.

When I was reading yours, I thought we can incorporate that. So I think we've got to just merge them together. Should we read it for the public in the form it is now or no? Or just wait until we have a full draft?

Yeah, why don't we wait until we have a full draft? I think that would be better. I also like how you included practices to safeguard the region's air, water, and soil.

So all of us are going to workshop it for next, but then... The three of us maybe could trade and try to, so then we're not a quorum, right?

Yeah, I thought the three of us were the subcommittee, right?

I know, I was just waiting on someone to say something.

No, no, so I was thinking, do we, the three of us workshop it, send it back and forth in email, we bring it to the next meeting, and then the full board looks at it.

Okay, yeah, I just want to respect. Great, yes.

But then you can send it to the rest of us, too.

Mm-hmm.

Sure. Right? Yeah.

Or after we'll bring it to the meeting. And then if anyone wants to workshop it more. Right. Is that how it would work?

I just think that if we send it before the meeting, that's the problem, right? Yeah. We can't discuss it. A larger group can't discuss it. Right.

Right. Or you. We have to blind CC or.

Yeah, we don't really want to do that.

Or recommend one at a time, send back.

So we'll keep it with the three of us. We just got a thank you for starting it because I was kind of checking. Like, no one sent anything, so then I just waited. But Christine started, so that was good. And then luckily I saw it sent. So I'll work on it some more, and then we'll try to get something.

Yeah, we're on the same general wavelength, I think. We just tweak it and merge them together.

The next item under unfinished business is environmental commission goals for the rest of 2026. I don't know if anybody had a chance to think about this, but what kind of goals would we like to establish? We we've completed some of our original goals, which was our Earth Day events. Among other things. So. If anybody has any ideas to throw out now, otherwise we can do a collective. Throw some ideas out there and. Come back with at the next meeting with. Anything you'd like to see. How does that sound?

Sounds good.

The next thing is lighting ordinance. Not sure why.

Before we go. So I didn't know if like, oh, I was trying to wait to see if people threw out. So sorry. No, it's fine. So speaker series. I heard back from our proposed speakers on. uh alum dosing and general uh lake health um that's gonna have to be sometime in september um i'm still waiting to hear uh because we're waiting waiting on personal stuff um so once i know i'll i'll let some of you know and then we'll fine-tune when that could be but just in general i had said About 45 minutes to an hour could be possible. Is that do you think like a half hour discussion with like a 15 minute Q&A or is that? That sounds good. And then the other thing that I want to bring, so we're going to get to, I guess, native plants and trees. We want to follow up on that. I had found, and I forget what township it was, but they put out I don't know if I shared it with any of you guys because it was before the meeting that was canceled. So it was a while ago, but there was an ordinance that was put forth on native plants in New Jersey. So I started to take a look at that, but then I sent it to someone who knows that stuff better than me, and they had some thoughts, but I haven't gotten their thoughts back yet. So that could be a speaker series as well. And then I recently sent... The deer the hunting, so I talked to someone about the deer control, and I think last year we talked about that. We got all of the bullet points on how they controlled deer populations. And I think the recommended state method was a cull, which requires a cost for testing the meat and then delivering it to food pantries. And they use, if I remember all that, so then they use um certified hunters so someone had mentioned to me like oh we we do this around here so byram actually had some guidance so i sent it to you guys if you want to look at it but the question is do we want to for like food security or because there are people that are bow hunters that do this right around us do we want to explore that has been on money to you know pay for this, but if. Byram has some sort of ordinance that allows this so maybe you want it, maybe you want to take a look at it, I don't know and then. Also, with that I found our ordinance that's like don't feed the deer because you don't want to artificially inflate their numbers when they rely on human interaction and then in the winter they're. unable to find food. So it just compounds the problem. And then Sparta Mountain, I would say, is still another discussion topic, but I figured Alex might want to push that one.

That sounds good. I didn't get a chance to read. I saw you sent that. I didn't read it yet. One of the goals, I was going to bring it up under the master plan goals, but I had I had brought this up with the master plan goals, but it should be one of ours also is a backyard composting program. I've attended a couple of workshops on it and looked at what some other towns are doing. And I think we might be able to do something with encouraging people to explore backyard composting because it can be done safely without attracting animals and it can be, you know, it's food waste is a big source of landfill space and greenhouse gases. 40% of food gets wasted. So I think this would be a great thing to do. Some other towns have done things like having Something like we did with with the rain barrel workshop and I did one with the. AmeriCorps watershed ambassador. Our last one and that was good, but some other towns have been offering. Large composting systems for at a reduced rate and. If we could we can explore grants for some something like that. That's something I'd like to start doing this year.

Or explore doing anyway.

You know, it's funny, talking about waste and because for the food pantry, I pick up a lot of food at different restaurants and grocery stores. And actually, there's two chains that have started in their giving new management classes and really starting to watch what they are, not because what they're donating to us, but watching their waste. and being very conservative in what they're making now instead of maybe having excess or throwing it out. And I think there's even something being put out by the state about throwing out food and having, if it's near expiration date or having too much. I have to look that up, but something was just passed that you've got to be cognizant on what the waste is from the stores and it should be given to pantries and should be given to different organizations as opposed to throwing it out. But there's some that will not because they're afraid of being sued, as I had said, that they won't donate like deli meats or anything that's near an expiration date. So, you know, we get like bread and things like that, but no perishable foods. Which is crazy because we get it from everybody else.

And one of the things I've learned, too, is that there's a difference between the sell-by and use-by dates. Oh, yes. And people get that confused.

And there's a whole list from the state that we have to abide by of what is really good past. It's marketing.

absolutely all in all honesty i mean there was never sell by and use by dates is that something i mean that seems like that would be a good informative thing that we should share with the public we're talking about stewardship and advocacy is that something that you either know someone who could do that as a speaker series or sure sure i could i have somebody that could talk on that and i also have a sheet that we have at the pantry that

we have to go by and we have to check the dates of everything that comes in, whether it be dairy or whether it be, especially dairy and perishables, but that's why we get mostly non-perishables and shelf-stable food. But even so, the best-by dates...

Yes, I know. And people take it home and think... Oh, my gosh, it's no good. Yeah, they throw it out.

Not true.

Yeah, that's something. Maybe we can incorporate that in one goal, addressing food waste, and incorporate that along with backyard composting. Wonderful. Thanks, Margie.

You're welcome. And I guess before we move on from EC goals, I guess I'd like to see if we could make some progress before the end of the year on the environmental... resource inventory. Yes. And also, we typically have done a fall cleanup. I think if we want to maybe resurrect that, that would be a good public outreach for the fall season.

Yes. Thanks, Christine. I was thinking about that, too, because, yeah, we used to do the bypass. We haven't done that in the last couple of years.

Oh, really?

Yeah. We used to clean up the bypass in the spring and the fall. I thought we Yeah, we did.

It was raining. Oh, yeah. Have we heard anything about the grant writer and environmental resource inventory? Do we know if they've been contacted about the Highlands funding?

No.

We have a meeting with the planning board in the Highlands, but I will see if I can find out something about that. Okay, great. Is that the next planning board meeting? It's September.

Yeah, that's what I heard.

Is it the next one?

I thought the next planning board meeting they were going to have Highlands do their presentation for compliance, regional compliance. Right, I think that's right. That obviously, yeah, I was like, wait, what? Finally, we're doing this?

Anything else for 2026 goals, ideas? If not, let's move on to new business. I was looking at some of the information on uh on anjec on anjec website sorry lighting ordinance so oh like i thought we hit that you started to but then oh that's right yes we went back sorry um yeah i had sent the uh the ordinance to the master plan subcommittee so that's i mean i don't know if you want to talk about it anymore but we've We've already addressed.

I mean, we've talked about ad nauseum, but but I did, but I did. I couldn't help. I must get targeted. I saw another study that they did. I was just trying to find it. If I find it, I'll send it to the group, but it's, I believe it was completed 2026. And they did testing specifically for circadian rhythm and like how it affects the human body. And then I think wildlife, um, and they they went low they went like to 1500 kelvin and they're like oh that that's that's even better but as you remember i think you know i try to get like 3000 kelvin it's typically three four or five thousand kelvin daylight being five thousand three thousand being closer to like candle like warmish firelight candlelight but it's not it would be more like two thousand So they were at 1500 and they said, oh, this is much better. But then at the end of the study, I think they said, but you know, it's really bad. And so it should just be nothing. So obviously that's unrealistic, but there are those five principles. And so one or two of them is kind of use any lighting, artificial lighting only when necessary. So it was, you know, that I think it is reasonable to say if no one's operating at that space, Barring safety lights, you should turn your lights off. Even if lighting is cheap, if there's no reason, turn it off because it does have an effect. And then also the spill from lighting is real the same way. So you want it only to illuminate what you want it to illuminate. So putting shades also. All right. I'll try to find that. Send it to us just for your edification. Thanks.

Now, there's this week, there are some celestial events that we probably can't see unless we go to an isolated area like Tenny Jump.

Sunrise Mountain. Or if the wind blows and the power goes out.

Or if the wind doesn't blow and the power goes out.

I apologize. I did forget one thing on how I did this, but did you get an email from the Van Kirk Historical Society about the New Jersey Heritage Tree Ceremony on September 17th? No. It's September 17th at 11 o'clock at Van Kirk Museum, and it is the New Jersey forestry officials will be visiting the Van Kirk homestead museum, the celebration of our white Oaks 10th anniversary. And it is going to be being designated a heritage tree.

It's the 10th anniversary, but it was taken from, uh, the parent was, uh, right. Okay.

Yes. So they're designating it a heritage tree. And, uh, They will be remeasuring it and are planning a short celebration afterwards. And everyone is invited to attend. And I will send this to you all.

So that's, when they're referring to the 10-year anniversary, they're not referring to that big white oak itself. They're referring to its offspring?

I believe so. Or is it the 10th anniversary of its inclusion as a heritage tree? I have to find out. I'm not... Well... What's the date of that celebration?

November... Or September 17th at 11 a.m. 2026.

Okay. Yeah.

2020. 2020. This September. 2026. Yes.

So it's a white oak?

White oak. The designated heritage tree.

So I think there was a white oak that fell... Yeah. So I'm just looking. 2016. 2016. And J. Harold. The height of the largest trees pay well, but the mighty oak is dead long live the new big oak September 20 2016. The contest for white oak, the salmon tree, the Sparta tree was 353 in 2016 353 years old. Sorry. In September 2016 a massive historic white oak tree at the vankirk was recognized by state forestry officials as one of new jersey's largest and oldest white oaks scoring 353 on the state's big tree registry wow so. it's 98 feet tall hundred and three foot crown spread circumference 222 229 inches four and a half feet off the ground. The 2016 death of the famous 600 year old basking Ridge why don't that was what I was remembering that, then the sparta specimens highlight is ranking amongst the largest and oldest estimated 360 year old white oaks remaining in New Jersey. So anyway, it's 10 years ago they first recognized it. And it's New Jersey second oldest white oak it sounds like.

That tree is unbelievable.

It is. It really is.

All right, thank you.

The next item under new business. Oh, I put this on. I started to mention it. The Angec Environmental Concern Survey. There's a survey that... I tried to send to you all, but I couldn't get it to work. I had to. I have to work on it a little bit more, but it's it's from and Jack and it's something that I think we could send to the public. I wanted to try sending it to all the people who signed up for our green team first. See what kind of response we get. Like you know things like what? What are your concerns? What would you like to see? Things like that that might help inform us in our. In our movement forward.

Is that it?

No, no, this was something I'll bring this up to. The next item under new business is master plan goals we. The master plan subcommittee has a number of goals for. Including in the master plan. And we had been part of the focus group. One of the focus groups was asked for for the for the environmental. Element. So some of the bullet points were requiring SPARTA to meet state standards, including PFAS levels, standards pertaining to Germany flats, aquifer, compliance with the Highlands Regional Master Plan, lower impervious coverage standards, et cetera. We have taken a The master plan subcommittee has taken a stab at establishing goals and objectives. So I thought we could I would throw this out to you and maybe you can we can all work on this and try to come up with ideas that you'd like to see included in the master plan element as goals. That was included in your packet those bullet points. I can't really share what we've come up with so far, but no, I can kind of give you ideas, though. OK. Like pertaining to tree ordinance. What habitat wildlife habitat?

Just general things that we'd like to see promoted. So maybe for the next meeting, we can come up with something.

In addition to these?

These bullet points.

These bullet points?

Yes. Maybe flesh them out a little bit.

Margie, did you guys talk about the PFAS settlements at all, speaking of PFAS?

We have – we got a grant for the PFAS settlement. We got – I don't know how it's being divvied out. I don't remember how. But yes, we have received from different from the companies. I'll get that for you next time. I couldn't pull up my computer.

OK.

Okay.

I have one other, something else under new business. The Angec Environmental Congress is Friday, September 25th from 9 a.m. to 4 p.m. at the New Brunswick Theological Seminary. I know it's on a it's on a weekday, but if you can get away it's really a very good. Very good conference there are lots of. presentations and informational sessions.

Courtney do we get reimbursed for that the I think it's $130. For.

To attend. I think that's the fee, the registration fee early.

Yeah, I would assume so.

Christine had mentioned that she wanted to go. I don't know if you saw her email.

I think I did get that.

So you think that's that is the case, right? That we do get reimbursed. I know. I think I did in the past where I was supposed to.

Yeah, I would assume so. But I'll double check that before I go.

All right, thanks.

Or you can pass it off to... It's not until September 25th.

Oh, that was another thing that... No, I'm sorry, I lost my train of thought. That's something I forgot.

All right.

Anyone else have any new business? Anything you'd like to talk about for the betterment of the environment and the township?

Do a shout-out to our departing staff.

We'd like to thank Courtney for all her work, hard work here. I'm not going anywhere.

There's a boot on her car.

Good, good. No, you've been wonderful, and that's a bunch of big help, and you just stepped right in and... did something so.

You are going to be dearly missed.

Thank you so much.

Thank you.

Thank you.

You guys have been wonderful. I'll still tune in. Don't worry. You'll have an audience.

We have two people. Wow. I wish you all the best in your future endeavors and your dreams.

Thank you guys. We'll miss you.

Hopefully that speaker series will happen. Oh, yes.

Oh, one other thing on finished business. Did you ever get a response from about our MS4?

The tree?

Are you talking about the tree ordinance and everything else with the MS4? Yeah.

I have it.

Compliance? No.

That was to the engineer? Yeah.

And I brought it up at the subcommittee meeting with the planners too, so I haven't heard anything either.

Did they offer anything about what it means if we're not compliant? We should be compliant, right?

We should be compliant, and it's our responsibility to stay on them.

MS4 and tree ordinance status is what we want. And if you get the tree ordinance and send it to me, then I'll get the plant ordinance from that other town and try to get some. And then I'll send it to maybe Neil and maybe Barbara. Take a look because I think she did the tree ordinance. Then we could kind of bring that up at the next meeting maybe.

Well, I sent the tree ordinance also to the subcommittee and our planner.

But which version was it? It was the latest version. So you do have the one as it was changed by the... Yes. Okay.

At least the latest one I could find from... From how long ago?

Yeah. Can we... 24. So wasn't it going to be rewritten... Since then, or no? What we had? Yeah. No, I thought Barbara did something, and then I thought it went to the engineer, and it had to be rewritten.

I don't recall that part, no. I know that what we sent to the engineer was what I sent to the rest of the planning board. Can you send that to me? Yes.

Can you send it to me?

Yes, I'll send it to everyone.

Thank you. Did you?

No, I don't think so. Okay.

All right.

Unless anyone has a... If we don't make a motion, she can't leave, right?

Do we have to make a motion for her to leave? Do we have to grant her?

I'll make a motion to end.

And you can't just walk out.

No. Okay. Can I have a motion to adjourn? I'll make a motion to adjourn. Can I have a second?

I'll second.

All in favor? Aye. Meeting's adjourned.