Board of Zoning Appeal & Regional Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

meeting the county board and would pray. De Father, we come to you tonight just thanking you once again for the blessing of letting us live here in Jefferson County in beautiful East Tennessee. And dear God, we give thank you for all your provisions. We come to you heavy hearts tonight. What's going on with our country and other countries around the world, dear God, we just lift their leaders up to. We pray, Lord, you help them to make good, wise decisions, dear God, as they move throughout the business, dear God, we pray that the citizens protect them, those that have nothing to do. Dear God to us here at the night and attitudes everything we say to do God. We thank you for all these things you most of all we thank you for the love you gave us. Attention. Salute. Pledge. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Okay, you have a copy of the minutes that came in the package and I trust you had an

opportunity to review those. Are there any additions or direction to them? Being none, I'll entertain a motion to approve. I'll make a motion. Proper motion. We have a second. I second. Second. All in favor approve of the minutes of the May meeting of board zone fields. Say I all and then uh moving on down to citizens input. We have two citizens input tonight. Stephanie, you don't have any more. That's it. Okay. Um Brian Asbury C3 zoning. Yeah. You want to do that on the under the BA or under the regional plan? That C3 thing will come up under planning, but you you had written zoning down. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't okay. Good deal. So in the other be for planning as well. So, we move on to uh first item uh that we have is a variance request for a garage to be placed at the front of the property at 1835 Stone Bridge Drive, Dandridge by Timothy and Diane McDonald. Anyone here to represent them? Okay, if you would sir, come to the podium and uh tell us about what you got going on. basically just put up a garage on the upper sideway

and that's really the only place on the piece of property that you've got to put yet. Everything seems to be and we've granted other variances out that direction similar to this throughout. I don't see any issues whatsoever with it. I've looked at the smaller map that we had came out with it. Does anyone have any questions? How many feet? How many feet this whole? He's going to be 24 feet. 24T bird. He's not beating it much. He's still going to be 24. He's only requesting a variance for it to be in front of the house. I'm still going to be making I'm making all it he'll be 355 off one and it said it's 24 foot coming in from the existing driveway and the property line there. So you have a regulation that you can't put the garage in front of the house. Absolutely. That take care of what you put that mark. Okay. Any other questions, Mr. Be? I'll make a motion we Okay, we have a motion. We have a second. Any discussion? All those in favor of approving the variance for Mr. McDonald to build his garage in front of residence. Please let me know by saying I. All those Thank you.

You need these. You got to come. the gentleman. [Music] Next item is item number seven on the agenda. Parents request for 12.8 ft on the front setback for a new house to be constructed on Deer Chase Trail, Dandridge, Cole Springs. Adam Masky, I hope I said that right. and Lynn North. Does anyone here represent them? And again, there should have been a map of that in your package as well. [Music] That is not the right one. Yeah, it's got here. It's right here. Mr. Trent, you're just looking for that variance of 12 ft on the front side, correct? Yes. And that is by far the most suitable place on that lot to build. Correct. Oh, yeah. And I think this is one that got the all this stuff got approved before we put the the minimum size on the lot and stuff their subdivision rigs. I see no issues with it and there have been other variances granted in that deer chase. Yes. For similar reason. So yeah, deer chase trail. Does anybody have any questions for Mr. Trent? [Music] So it's because of topography. Yeah. More or less. That's the left side

of the lot drops off like in a gully and then the right side or the rear of the lot drops down to the lake. So if you keep it back, there's going to have no backyard at all. It's just going to drop off. What's the pleasure of the board? Make a motion we grant variance. We have proper motion. Do we have a second? Have a second. Any discussion? Being none, all those in favor of granting the variance, please let me know by saying I. I. All those opposed. Good to see you. We need bigger tables. That's all it. Okay. And we have uh item eight, determination if a indoor sports training facility is an allowed use in C2 general commercial. Uh Stephanie, what can you share with us about this one? Um I had a call and I was his name from Zeke Kane. He's interested in putting an indoor sports training facility in the existing empty Family Dollar building at the 424 exit. There will be nothing outside. It'll all be inside the building as existing. They'll just do modifications to the inside. Okay. So, there's ample parking spaces. Everything with septic or sewers there. Everything's in good shape. It's just repurposing the old building for a training facility for sports. How big is the building? Uh it's I mean it's family dollar building. Pretty good size. Have batting cages in it and some other things. Pitching alleys, pitching lanes. They may have. Yeah. Doing something like that. I think they may be some

weight training stuff in there. Maybe a little bit. He said um the batting batting training uh pitching u he kept naming off it's going to be some turf in there I guess for football training this C2 C2 yes I mean absolutely it's the same thing and these are taking place in all type of vacant buildings scheduled all over Hamlin County and Jeffrey County keeping those buildings from sitting idle Uh there's a lot of them that probably hadn't come before, you know, for the repurposing of they're just renting space and and doing it on a smaller scale. So the allowable uses in your sutu area item seven is indoor recreation uses including video game arcades, billiards, pool rooms, bowling alley, skating rings, movie theaters, and indoor firing ranges. So you have something that really is very typical. It's very likening, too. It doesn't state specific a force training facility, but it has several things in there. So, they're good to go. I mean, I think we don't even have to bring it up for a vote. I don't think it's it's there. It's likened to unless someone feels the need to do so. Okay. Mark wants to vote. You all know the motion or not the motion, but the item that's on the floor. if indoor sports training facility is allowed use in C2 and according to what we looked at number seven in C2 item seven item seven shows it's very likening to that what's the pleasure of the board I make a motion we approve that we have a proper motion do we have a second we have a second is there any further discussion all those in favor of approving that use in C2 let me know by saying I all those opposed [Music] and uh motion to adjurnn. I'd entertain.

Yeah. Okay. I have proper motion. We have a second. All those in favor say I. There's only adjourned. I call to order the meeting of the Jefferson County Planning Commission. And again, you received your minutes for that. We have a member or two. Did you call from white vine? Okay. Somebody's calling from white pine. I thought it might have been you saying you running a little bit behind or something. No. Come on in here. Okay. You received your packets. Uh and again there was copy of those minutes in there. I trust you read those. Is there any additions or correction to the minutes? So move, Mr. Chairman. Have a proper motion. We have a second. Have a second. Any discussion? All those in favor of approving the minutes from the May meeting of the re Jefferson County Regional Planning Commission, let me know by saying I. I. All those opposed. Passed. Now we're citizens input and uh they're still stacked the same. I'll call uh Mr. Brian Asbury to the podium and he is want to speak according to this on C3 Brian Mike Asbury 1122 West Dumplin Valley Road Dandridge Tennessee I've got some comments on your C3 Oh welcome glad to be here have some comments on the uh your C3 U zoning and My my concern is is you made a minimum size, but sometimes I'm concerned about the maximum size. So, you know, usually when you're thinking like a contractor's office, you probably thinking of something maybe three or four acres, but what's to keep somebody coming in with doing 120 acres with 120 pieces of equipment? Now, I you know, if a contractor's got 120 pieces of equipment parked, he's in a bind. But, you know, I think there should be some

consideration to the size of some of the stuff in C3. The other thing that I have a concern about on the C3 is was in the conditional uses you indicate had an indication of offensive uh noise, vibration, glare, and some other items. So, in my if I can't see it or hear it, it's usually not going to be a problem. And so, I think in the conditional uses, you put some clarification, but no, you didn't quantify anything. And I didn't see anything to quantify the noise and vibration and glare in the uh allowed uses. So I would think it would be a good idea to add some stuff for noise and and lighting light trespass and that or we wanted to do something all-encompassing for all the county for lot noise trespasses. Something I had some concern of in the uh in the C3. So now I'm going to switch on over on another note to their zoning in general. Uh the word is out on Jefferson County. It's an easy mark. U I read this is this has been on the website for I mean on out on the web for a long time. This is I found this on Zillow. It's they're selling piece of property on Highway 139 44 acres. And one of their their their selling points is currently the land is zoned A1 and which is in Jefferson County's most livable zone allowing farming, minimal commercial activity, subdivisions, homes, major, double odds, campgrounds, and limited multipleuse family. So, got one person advertising about this. And then I was reading in the Standard Banner about a ribbon cutting the other day about a new entity moving into this area and one of their things that they're going to be bringing in is a new venture dealing in rock quaries, mining and related efforts. So

everybody's looking at Jefferson County as a as a kind of a easy mark. And so and with that with our lack of ability to enforce things in Jefferson County, you know, We've got to get something going to stop some of this stuff because I just can't imagine having another rock quarry too around or mine or whatnot. And you've got a big facility that's coming in here that's I mean it's a big outfit if you want to look it up. It's called MAC MAC cap all all caps MAC materials and it's a big outfit focused on mining and quaring. So anyway, I uh just want you to be aware that people are sort of identifying us as a place to come do what you want. Thank you, Mr. Asbury. Appreciate your input. And the next citizen input we have is from Mike Foley. It's a non-aggenda item. So, do you want to wait till the other zoning map original? you being the only other one there is to speak, if you'd like to go ahead and speak, I'm going to take the liberty to to give you that opportunity and move forward with it at this time. I think it's something I can do and I'm not too out too far out of line doing so. Does anybody on the board have a an issue with a pretty rough fell a come coming out of that heat? You never know what's going to come out of my mouth now. Right. Absolutely. Anyway, good evening. Mike Foley, 318 Oak Vista Drive in Dandridge. Um, if you recall some months ago, uh, Miss Baldwin's predecessor, Jordan Rockwell, helped you folks create this digital map, digital zoning map, and I was looking for it on the county website, and I couldn't find it. So, I was just curious if it is posted there or if it isn't, what can we do to get it posted so citizens can

access it? And the other thing I noticed was it looks like there might be some more work needed on it. I got a couple extra copies there for Stephanie and Katherine, but if you'll notice, there's a section there for adoption by the the board of county commissioners and also certified by each of the U regional planning commissions for the three cities. So, I didn't know if there was some extra steps that needed to be done to make this official, but I just wanted to bring it to your attention. And that's all I had. Thank you very much. And Stephanie, I'm going to ask you a question about this. Did we ever see the map in its entirety or did we just see the individual parcels that they brought in as a number? We have the original one, you know, a paper one, right? And we also have the individual sheets for each one. Right. So, we do have them all. So, you have the full zoning atlas. It's called the zodiac when you have all the pages. I don't think that I think all you don't have like we don't have each individual page. It was broken down into like six sections or eight sections. Yeah. Yeah. And this is I don't think I do. I mean I can go back and look some overlays. Yeah, there supposed to be overlays done on it too. Mark's exactly right. This is 10 years old at least. No, this is stuff Jordan was working on last year. Yeah. But it says adopted September 2011. Yeah. When he gave you a new That was the last time that it was actually updated. So it's it hasn't been updated since 200. Well, all these amendments have been added. Yeah. But your official zoning map has not been adopted.

So you want to go over the process to do that? Should we do that under other business? Yeah, I say we we've done a system. In fact, it's going to fall under your annual work program, which is that other business. Oh, yeah. That's we just got a couple of side plans here. Yeah. It shouldn't take too very long to go through that. I say we do that under other business. As long as anybody doesn't have a problem picking this back up. Okay. Okay. Uh on to new business and item A, a re subdivision plat for lots 11 and 12 clearance to board subdivision lot three lots of off Harrison Ferry Road Pine by Greg and Wendy Ivans. Is anyone here repres you would step forward? larger copies of that. And he also has his sign. As we uh start looking at this, you should each have a copy of our planners comments about this. Was that you in your paperwork? Should be on the bottom. It'll be down under planning commission. Miss Baldin, if you would, I'm going to

let you address stuff you come up with on this site with him. Did you get a copy of my staff comments? Yes, ma'am. I did. And I think the the map that you reviewed may have been our draft copy. A lot of these comments were addressed and should be addressed on the map that you I got the one that was originally submitted for the agenda package. Um so, um maybe you can tell me which one I'm obviously on there. Yes. So, you got the water. So, I'll check them off as I go. Surveyor seal, your signature block for water utility provider. So, um I had questions on those three. So, the for the signature block for the water utility provider, the road superintendent, and the electric utility. In those certifications, it states that they're signing off on approval that things have been constructed as they were proposed. There's nothing being constructed. Those lines already exist. But you are representing their utilities. And this is a thing you got to figure out. Yeah. Um, signature block for county road superintendent. That's one of the ones he's talking about. Correct. Yeah. Signature block for electric provider. All lots within that have mapped floor flood areas on them. Did you add the finished floor elevation for the building sites? No, ma'am. So, we're not proposing um this isn't a design plan. It's just subdividing the lots and the and the subdivision regulations. We have to show adequate building size. Um and that's all that is. That's not where they plan to build. I don't even think these owners plan to build these lots. I think they plan to divide them and sell them. Right. But that that's the point is um so um I talked to the chairman about

this. Uh you do have a section of your subregs and your zoning ordinance that uh addresses FEMA requirements or the firm requirements um FEMA and it it states that the uh with map flood area which you've got flood fringe flood wet I assume 500 100 and the flood flood way maps on here. Yes. And we actually located those contours. They're not just plotted. Yeah. FEMA requires you to put the finished floor elevations on there because one of the issues is once this is recorded, you're consider this how you relay information to a prospective builder or a the end user, the buyer. Um they need to know what they're required to do. Correct. And if FEMA issues the flood insurance with they will be required to have with Matt flood areas on here they will have to have a finished floor elevation. Okay. Uh so that has to be and let's just calculate I'm sorry. Go ahead. I didn't mean to interrupt. That is a finished floor elevation of the uh the structure itself. Right. And I understand that you've so your building pad because you also have a requirement that uh in your zoning ordinance that uh where you have flood plane you cannot count it toward the minimum square footage to comply with the zoning ordinance. Correct. Is that rough? Yeah. And on that one. Okay. And up in the top of the of the page under subject property information, we have it divided off on how much square footage and acreage is above the 102 and then the the total acreage of the lot. Yes. And the 30 by 40 on those pad sizes is what's above, right? Correct. So that's that's the way it needs to be. Um

but you do not have the finished floor elevation, right? Um, I ask for notes that, um, and once again, we're trying to relay to folks who are not here. The owner won't know them. Uh, none of the planning commission members will know them, is that um, you cannot put bill material within any Matt flood area. Um, as far as the building pad, I'm glad you did that, but you also cannot limit them to this. So, you're you got your building envelope identified. Uh, if they don't want to meet that, I don't want someone to think that they have to, right? And that that that's not my intent by putting that there. We just have to show that there is adequate building. Right. And you've done that in your notations or your calculations. Okay. Okay. So, we don't necessarily have to show that red. We want that saying. Yes. Okay. Okay. Um, so, uh, also when you put the a note on there about the, uh, finished floor elevation, the finished floor elevation also applies to any electrical improvements. So, your HVAC units where your electricity comes in the house, all of that has to be elevated, right? And you know, especially with the most recent uh um incidents of last October, I believe it is, um FEMA is really starting to look at these areas. They are threatening to cancel flood insurance in some areas that are not honoring their requirements. So, I don't want I want to make sure that we do this correctly. Um so, those uh notes would need to be added. One of them was just a suggestion about the building pad. I really don't care whether it's on there or not, but I I do want the end user to know that they're not relegated to that.

Okay. Um I think earlier, and pardon me to interrupt, but I think we said we required that to be shown in each lot that that footage was there that there is a suitable place to build and he and he he does verbally, but we asked for it to be represented. Yes. And when they issue the building permit, we've seen on the calculation. Yeah. The calculation showing where that's at, where it's located within the building. For for when they issue the building permit. Absolutely. Um, you will have to get a surveyor to certify the finished floor elevation and as you inspect it, make sure that nothing is below that. Um so the firm um federal insurance agency will be issuing flood and they will require flood insurance on this right and probably elevation certificates on the finished building. They will on the finished floor elevation. Yes sir. So once again uh this is a way to notify the enduser that they're going to have to comply with that in addition to all electrical uh and absolute no field anywhere in a map flood area. Okay. Okay. Okay. So, just to clarify on the finished floor elevation, we just need to add what the lowest possible finished floor elevation like to meet the regulations for FEMA. Correct. It has to be one foot above above the 500 year. Correct. Yeah. Okay. Unless unless the local government has adopted some something higher. Okay. But minimum is one foot above. Okay. Um I'm I'm assuming you haven't adopted a more restrictive and that's what we talked about. We just we take what they suggest and that's what we adopt. Yeah. And we can add that. I have revised maps here. I received these comments on Friday I believe. So being able to revise it and then go get all the signatures again. I wasn't able

to. So, I think the only thing um that we don't have addressed on the revised plat there is the finished floor elevations, but we can add that. We have that data and can calculate it. We just don't have it shown. Okay. So, that's as long as you put it on the signed copies, you can put it on. Nobody else can because you sealed it. Right. Okay. And then as for the signature blocks, do they need to be added? Where do we stand with that? That's a decision of the planning commission. Okay. Okay, let me explain why I asked for those one. The way your plan your subdivision regulations are worded um it doesn't say if the utilities it says basically he is representing infrastructure and the provider of that infrastructure is saying yes he's he's represented it correctly. The other thing is if he puts this on here, uh, when it gets recorded, this information is uploaded digitally to state, uh, mapping and it allows them to certify those that information. So, whenever you go on a state site, their information continues to get better and better and more accurate, which it needs to, which it needs to. And if you don't put it on here, they don't pick it up. They don't get it. And that's why that's the reason that um everyone is asking to have that information and to have that those signature blocks on there so that they're certifying that that's okay. You did put add the E911. Yes. On here. Okay. And with those signature blocks, with the water, just making sure that there's enough flow there to provide service with the electricity to make sure there's enough there to handle the load that could be potentially brought in. Mhm. And the same way with the roads and

I think that's pretty much it's already established there. Not going to be a three more lots isn't going to make a huge difference in the amount of Right. But who knows? It might they need to review. But if you got it, you got it. Correct. It also puts the utility districts on notice that they can expect new taps, new fees. Somebody's going to walk in say, "I need electrical um I need an electrical drop." Probably a temporary drop that would be permanent. So, it's also notifying them to get ready that there are additional lots coming and additional buildings. Otherwise, you're sending that contractor or the property owner in cold to say, "Well, where are you going?" as opposed to, "Yes, we were expecting you." So, it it it's a it's a level of professionalism for the county and for the utility districts that are uh at this point is missing. Um, and that's why I'm assuming it's in your subregs. And to be honest, every jurisdiction I work with, uh, they insist on these things. So, uh, but it's up to you. I don't care one way or another. And, and I don't care to add them one way or another. I just was concerned about the language in it because some of the language in those certifications is whoever's signing off on it is saying that what we're proposing to be constructed has been constructed according to standards, but nothing new is being done. And they all say that. Okay. That is that is a justification for you're you're adequately representing accurately representing their infrastructure. Understood. With that move. Yes, sir. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh I move to approve item A contingent upon uh the completion of each of the comments in Miss Baldwin's and you have those comments. Yes, I have

them right here. Thank you. That uh that those be fulfilled. Okay. And just to add clarity to this, if you don't mind before I get a second on that, the three signature blocks and the verbiage about the required minimum height on the finished floor and electrical from FEMA. That's what we're still looking for. The others have been taken care of. So, we're looking for those four. Okay. Do we we have a proper motion? Do we have a second? Have a second. Any further discussion? Being none, all those in favor of approving Austin's motion contingent upon those items being added, let it be known by saying I. I. All those opposed. Thank you, Austin. Thank you. Next item is a site plan review for the addition of a new building to be constructed at Highlander Way 19 at 1959 Highlander Way and New Market. Do we have someone here to represent them? Hello. Hello, sir. I'm the co-executive director of Highlander. My name is Alan Maxfield Steel. It's good to see y'all tonight. Good to see you, sir. And from everything that we've seen or heard from this, you're building back pretty much in the same footprint of the building that was there before. Correct. And Stephanie, I think we had some information come to light about where they were nonprofit. And yeah, in the building department, a letter was done in when the building burnt in 2021 that it was exempt from doing a build, you know, getting a building permit or inspections because we don't do commercial inspections. in the county. Um, are you an architect? I'm not. I'm a

clergy person. Cuz I' I've spoken to your architect several on several occasions. Samuel Mortimer. Yes. He's the owner's representative. Yes. Oh, he called me this afternoon. Yeah. Um, I suggested he might want to check with the state of Tennessee. Mhm. uh see if they would consider it um community assembly because of the nature of your activities. The building itself is an administrative office. Okay. So, it won't be used for any community assemblies. It's like our mail room and Xerox room. So, I I didn't have uh any comments about this one really. Um and uh I think at the time um he you have an architect that did seal the plans that are being submitted to the correct. It was a it was like a clerical error and the Xerox didn't the some of the details didn't get printed off in the final. So when you have that it has a seal on it. I think I've got a new one since our last meeting. You should have received an email from Samuel with all the updated stuff, but if it's the seal, if I did, I sent it what he sent me. Okay, I think I had got the Well, he he said that he would put it on there, but or you've got a lot local architect with the architecture record. Yes, we have an architecture record who's covered in Tennessee and Georgia. Yeah. So, that was my only comment. It's it's got the information on here. It just doesn't have his seal and has a place for it to be added. Our owner's rep does happen to be an architect, but he's functioning as an owner's rep, not our architecture record. So, you wouldn't see the seal from Samuel Mortimer or the planning agency. You'd see it from MOSA Architects. MOSA. Okay. And I think that's actually the the address and the contact information that's above that on this I'm looking at. Could you read it to me if it's Atlanta or Georgia? 2386

Flower Street, Southwest We E 2022, Sneville, Georgia. MOSA architecture. Yeah, that's that's the architecture record. That' be them. Mhm. But u being that none of this is required by us, would the site plan still not be like where the actual building it's going back on the same footprint of where it was before. So I mean all those and that's actually Miss Bowwin actually spoke to that. She said the and I will read if you don't mind. Kevin says site plan for the improvements to the Highlander Center identifies a new office structure placed on the location of a building which was destroyed by fire. The remaining improvements on site have not changed. This includes all assets, roadways, parking, septic field lines, temporary structures will be removed upon completion of the new office building. Says staff spoke by phone with applicant on several occasions and request the site plan be sealed and sealed. construction drawings be submitted current with the building permit application. So going with that and what you've told us, you can get that seal to us. Correct. Correct. Okay. And then in in the letter in 2021, it also says a site plan does not need to be approved and the plans do not have a reference of building code as there will be no inspections. So So we can get you the seal. It shouldn't be an issue. Yeah, I I I would request that just from a liability standpoint in the county. Absolutely. So, so with that being said, do we have any further questions? Being none, what's the pleasure of the board? Mr. Chairman, yes, sir. I move to approve item B, uh, contingent upon the architect placing their seal on the site plan. We have proper motion. Do we have a second? A second. Have a second. Any further discussion? Being none, all those in favor of approving with the architect seal, let it be known by

saying I. I. All those opposed. Motion passes. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Get it to you right away. Appreciate it. Okay. Next item. We have a resolution 2024 amending the zoning res resolution of Jefferson County, Tennessee regarding the new C3 zone wholesale and warehouse commercial district presented by Mr. Austin Brooks. I think as we left this uh Miss Baldwin was doing some research for us in some neighboring counties and uh Miss Bald asked at this time what you found. Um it was interesting. I called uh um Wilson County. I also you suggested speaking with Washington County. I talked to them for a couple times and I also have uh talked to Sullivan County. Uh the one issue that we have been playing around with was um a cattle processing facility because that is your largest um agricultural um pro product. Uh and where can such a facility go? Um and uh by state law, such a facility has to be on sewer. So it has to be located in a district that can provide sewer, which um I don't know if that changed at some point, but it is a hard and fast rule at this point. In fact, the uh folks at those planning departments were like they were surprised I was even asking the question. Um there's a lot of contaminants that go into that. Uh and you would be introducing anything of that nature into the groundwater and subsequently into the rivers, lakes, etc., etc. And so it is expressly

prohibited. Um, was there a minimum or maximum number of head? If you are on your own farm with your own cattle, you can go through um like you're exempt. I don't think you're exempt. I still think it's it's totally regulated by the state. You have to have a water treatment plant in place, but there is stipulations where you don't have to be on sewer depending on the size of the operation. Yeah. And um I think that that is we allow now. Right. Yes. And I definitely don't want to disturb that. Um as far as value added, um Sullivan County did recognize that for value added processing for farm produce uh because it's more of a natural uh effluent that you're introducing into the septic system. So, they said that they did allow that. Uh, well, I take that back. Washington County actually and uh and I would like to look into this because we had discussed your you have an A1 zoning. That's it. Uh, Washington County has an A1 and A2 and A3. Um, and A1 is kind of what you would think it is. It's strictly agricultural all the way up to A3 where it is the commercial aspect of agricultural businesses. Um they also um use the conditional uses. If you'll remember, uh this had been written in here. Um um under item C, conditional uses, um we h I had introduced conditions that would be determined by the BCA and

Washington County also use conditions. Uh so I was really glad to hear that. Um they um both both counties are really wellversed in that uh or or in uh looking at ag making agricultural more of a business thing uh close to the farms uh and allow you more production but they do it by uh having additional zone districts which you don't have. Um, so I would like to um that we have the C3 before us. Um, and it's been on your agenda now for a couple meetings. Um, the last meeting we didn't really change anything. We discussed some things, but at the end of the day, um, it was requested that we we delayed this until I could get some more information. Uh what I'd like to do is uh get some of their zoning criteria and come back with some agricultural amendments uh that would not be related to this. It would be in your A1 zone and maybe even corre um uh adding um an maybe an A2 at least. What did their A2 look like? Do you remember off time? Uh, it was no, it allowed a couple more things, but the uh A3 was the one that really allowed uh agricultural businesses. Um, what county are we talking about? Washington. Washington and Sullivan. The two looked at and now you got to realize Washington has Johnson City, Jonesboro, um, Kingsport. No, Kingsport's in

Sullivan, but uh, Elizabeth and No, Elizabeth's in Carter County. Um, so it's it's a very urbanized area. Like Gray is I'm from that area. So, uh, Gray is a big area. It is urbanized. I mean, it's it used to be farmed, but it's not anymore. Uh, they also have large extensive areas of lakefront. Um, Boon Lake is almost entirely in Washington County. There's some sold. Um, so I guess what I have to report is I think we need more work and the A1 would be the the local farmer private use and he's going to do a a process facility on his land where he does 20 head 30 head 40 head a year in sales. The A3 would be a Cargill. That's what it was. Cargill or someone's swaggery. It's a large commercial agricultural enterprise. And then A2 would be somewhere in the middle. I think it was a kind of a real low density residential. Uh oh, I know what she said. You guys won't like this. Gentleman farmers. That may be them. Ain't no gentleman farmers whenever you're doing work cows. No. Well, they described it as someone that has three or four acres. Uh maybe a fairly large house. They like the open space. They might have horses or something, but it it is not it is not a production farm by any means. Um, and I I I think that's some good information and and I'm I'm not opposed at all to looking at a A1, A2, or A3. Uh, one other county since we've talked that I think we need to look at

would be Green County. Um, you know, that's a pretty good comparison, especially with agricultural production in that county being likening to Jefferson County. Uh, if we could pull up some of their stuff, and I hate to keep them, right? Yeah. often, but if we do this right, I think it's good discussion. No, I this is this is how you do it. It it takes a long time. You want to get it right because you start legislating this on people's property. Yeah. You don't you don't want to make mistakes. Uh so this this is the way you do it. Yes, sure. Um, while we're discussing this, I would uh like under conditional uses to remove item B, solar G, solar energy systems and wind energy systems as accessory use. Well, yeah, I'd like to remove that. Is it you're talking about under the conditional uses? Now, would this hinder someone from a small one in on their farm? Let me back up. accessory. This would only be used to provide a utility to that property. It's it's considered an accessory use provided they respect you built a big barn and put panels on the top. Yeah. And the way things are set up here, they would actually sell that generation back to the cooperative and they it's a discount. It's a popping hands of money, but they don't get to actually use it right there, but they get credits toward what they do use right there. Does the cooperative get the better end of that deal? No. It's it's probably it serve us more than anything. Um, well, I think we might want to rethink the wind energy system, though. I mean, the only thing I know about wind

energy, I think about like the Midwest with the giant U windmills, but as an accessory use, it would have to be a pretty small one. Um, what Clayurn County has quite a few farms with wind some wind services. And I've seen quite a few farms with private like Pal Valley or No, I mean they just have their own personal No, I was referring to the actual valley like farms. Yeah. Is that the big valley up in Harriut? Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. From Virginia all the way down in Tav. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's a good forage. It's beautiful. Hair gets put on my contract on the the value added processing as it is in here. Could a factory like Bush Beans fall into this category? And just so you know, Bush Beans owns Yeah. I I would say probably thousands of acres. Yeah. And I I've taken a tour of the Bush Beans facility. Um you know, you you could put a maximum. I mean, you're you're wanting to keep it small. I I don't know what Bush Beans is. It's primarily in County, is it? Or is it So Bush Beans, the factory is completely in Jefferson County. A lot of their farmland is actually in Cosby. Okay. Which Yeah. County, which is county. Yes. Is some not in Severe County as well. I think they have cattle running county. I think they have land wherever they decide they want it. You know, they also have like a restaurant and a store. And I'm not knocking bush beans. I'm just saying that putting this zone together, if I want, you know, if you're on a a rural area and you find out your neighbor's asking for this zone change for a welding business or something like

that that everyone doesn't get all up in arms that we go, okay, you know, the way this is written, don't get all up in arms. Yeah. I mean, we'd run out of something to do here, Mr. Chairman. Absolutely. Um, that's my goal. So, but so the reason I bring that up, if you found out something like Bush Beans was going in on on some country road, that wouldn't be that wouldn't be too appealing. So, uh though I do love to frequent the cafe up there. Um I just want to make sure we stay within the intent zone. So, I'm curious would m adding the I guess go to the next section. Well, now this is a C3 zone. So, you're looking at a commercial zone. Yes. But I would in my opinion something the size of a bush beans would be industrial in my opinion. No, I agree. I agree. Um I certainly would not want to see the bush beans traffic going down county roads and just for sake of conversation, I don't know if we have very many pieces of land left in Jefferson County that would accommodate the size of a bush beans. Well, majority of what we do is already set up a land trust. Mhm. for the most part. There may be something out there we've not discussed or not looked at, but I think that may in itself limit the size of an operation. I just Yeah, I'm just talking about for the purposes of putting the definition. So I think um maybe putting in some maximums might be like I said the intent was for the small businessman um because you know obviously if you're super big you're going you ultimately you need to be an industrial just because you some of these restrictions would uh would prohibit a large business from growing right so uh you want to take this back and look at it look at some maximums yeah so I think um I I it everybody on this board would do well to go look at those

counties and um Katherine if you could come up with some suggestions for maximums understanding I mean I don't think I'm too far off as far as the intent and the goal here no the one thing we don't have is an intent statement and for usually well I take that back on the front yeah yeah the intent of this district is to provide for Um I mean it when you're thinking about this we've said minimum farm size 25 acres. What is your estimation would be the maximum size that someone would do? So a lot of that came up when we started talking about the value added processing. Um I still think the value added processing I would like to see that go into the agricultural zone somehow. I know we already have a few businesses within the county that are able to I don't know if you'd call them an exemption, but they're permitted to uh operate on their farm as it is currently zoned because they produce their product complete in in totality. So, um and I think Mr. Neil's John Neil's concern was they couldn't take any produce from any other farms producers. Yeah. because that kicked them into industrial. Yes. And so you get an economies of scale by u a processing plant. Now you think of every single farmer having his own processing plant. That's I think that that's a big ask. Um I would as well and and um it also if you can't afford the processing plant, why grow the vegetables that would be processed? So, I think you're also

stying uh uh agricultural production of produce by keeping a lid on both of those things. You're forcing it into industrial areas, which raises the price up. You uh your industrial area should be concentrated around your exits for the interstate so you don't have trucks going up and down the road. Uh so you don't want to encourage those um um in your rural areas, but you want your rural areas to be successful. So this is uh once again, this is the way that they could do it. Um and I I think the big the big deal with this was moving it out from conditional and putting it in the end to permitted. That was John's big deal for that very reason. Mhm. was taking all these conditions off of it and putting it in permitted uses. But his main deal was the cattle processing, the animal processing. I never heard him say that. I always heard salsa. I'm like, yeah, he Well, we also talk about massage parlors. Chocolate milk. So, we got the chocolate milk. We've got that. Yeah. Um, one thing I went to visit a farm up north. It's been 20 years ago. up above Chicago Green. And that night, the lady that owns the house, she came up and she said, "Don't drink the water." What are you talking? If even if you brush your teeth, you have to use bottled water. The pesticides has just ruined that whole area. Absolutely. And and you can smell it in the I could smell it in the water out

the tap water. You can smell a chemical smell. and you've got that and since we started down that rabbit hole and I won't not dig very much deeper, but if you also look at what our federal government is doing and the health administration, they're also talking about fluoride that's in our public water today and we're getting ready to see that taken out because of the damage it's done. So that's I agree with you. There needs to be a water treatment system in place, whether it be sewer. Um, there's no perfect fix to all of it. Even those places that have sewer in surrounding counties are not perfect. I'll assure you that. But but it's something we need to have in consideration with that. And I think that goes along with any of these type places. you know, those things have to be in place as far as the the groundwater and stuff and taking care of that. Making sure we're not dumping pollutants into that. And I mean, they take the sewer water from Jefferson City and put it right back into Douglas Lake or to Cherokee Lake and it right back in Cherokee. And so, I mean, that's that's a a a whole we could go a long way down if we want after it's been treated. Yeah. After it's been treated. I don't know if you can treat chem pesticides. you they couldn't get seem like they couldn't get rid of you open up the the whole conversation there the peas right and you know and you're you're seeing that on farms today and who's who's responsible for that is it the utility or the the uh municipal municipality that give away the stuff to the farmer to go out and spread is it the person that hauled it they're looking try to to see where they can pin liability for that and that's another rabbit hole talking about phosphates POS plastics coming through and it's you know and if

I've leased ground from Austin then I've put that on the ground I had leased from him and it comes with then am I liable is the municipality liable that sold me the stuff and who done the test and so there there's a a lot of that stuff you can get deep in the weeds on but I think the the sole reason we've had this discussion and so much discussion about this C3 and the permitted uses with the value added was to make a easier road for the agricultural producers of our county, our county to maximize on potential profits. I think that's been the intent from the get-go. We're spending so much time on it. I'm completely at peace looking at the the maximum size of the thing and if we if we quantify that or if we put those restrictions on it does that force it to fall into conditional or can it be impermitted as long as it's done X Y and Z. Well, if it's permitted, you can't conditionally permit something. So you can So that's why it's called a conditional use. you establish the conditions and then it's the job of the BCA to determine compliance with the conditions. Right? So there's uh so it it gives it a a smack of legitimacy and gives you opportunities let's say um the processing opering operation shall not generate excessive vehicular traffic. Um and that's not quantified. It's not defined. But there's a lot of things that it depends on your roads. You know, if you got a two-lane road that really is not going to support farm trucks or a lot of farm trucks coming back and forth, then you can look at that and say, "This isn't a good road for this." Um, if you your your roads vary so much, I bet you have

public rideway that is actually gravel at this point. Correct. I think so. So your your uh your public road system varies a lot between a gravel lane and you know four-lane divided boulevard. Um so that that you try to get things that are not subjective but at the end of the day it gives the BCA some leeway to say this is just too rule to start encouraging activities like this. Um, now if you keep but and I I do like the idea of a a maximum farm size for doing this or maximum size of acreage to do value added processing. I think that's a good idea and it it it kind of sets a parameter. You know right now planning uh trends are uh a lot of place like um are setting maximums. uh it has not been traditionally written that way, but you look at a Walmart that builds a parking lot and all the heat island, all the uh imperous surface for the day after Thanksgiving. It's too big. And so a lot of communities are starting to go, this is the minimum, but there's a maximum, too. And I think that that's what you're looking at. I was going to ask you a question since this is what you brought. If we if we looked at leaving the value added in the conditional uses and we continually worked on those conditions till we come up with something that we we were happy with, would you be at peace with taking slaughter or custom slaughter houses out of the prohibited and allowing it to that value added? I don't know that that really gets it

anywhere though if the state already requires it to be on sewer. It depends upon the number of head to be on sewer. What is the number of head to be on sewer? That's if I'm not badly mistaken when you were having the one that was right down the road from me that they were trying to get passed through is like 25 to 30 head of cow per week. Oh, no. I was referring to like the the law. Yeah. Yeah, not like a specific operation like so, you know, we have them in the 25 to 30 head would be less than what you need for the sewer. They did have to have water treatment there. I thought that's where we were going with this as far as the Oh, okay. No, I was just curious. And again, we can we've got it where the producer can do it in A1 currently, but he can't take product in from somebody else. So you allow it here and allow that person with those conditions to, you know, if me and officer we got a partnership or we've got something going on or I'm buying all your cattle off of you, it can be produced on my spot as long as we stay under the conditional limit of head per day on our water treatment. So what would that lie? I think it's extremely difficult to take a slaughter house and put it on a septic system. A friend of mine has one and I think they do is it like 20 a month or 24 a month they're allowed to do in the A1 zone. I mean that's in our zoning. Yeah. I have to get um comes out to like six or seven a week I think or five or six a week. That's not enough. Yeah. And we've got a handful of those in the county right now. We actually losing those uh as we speak. So, let's research that and come back with that information and instead of putting it prohibited, let's put that in

conditional and let's put those conditions on it up to the what the state law allows. Yeah. So, I'd like to I'd like to know the state law. I'd like to look at maximum size. I would um Sorry, I've been in the sun a long time today, Mr. Chairman. Um, oh, there was something else. Oh, on the value added processing. I just want to make sure that you wouldn't end up with something the size of like a a bush beans because if that's the case, we're just creating another industrial zone at that point. And we could look at at the maximum on that as well. Yeah. And some of the conditions. So yeah, I'm just asking just so so maximum um lot size. Acreage. Acreage. Um well, I just said them. I'm struggling, Mr. Chairman. Yeah, square bells today. Round bells tomorrow. I volunteers. We still got some on the trailer if you'all come. Oh, I've got one backed in the barn. Yeah. um maximum lot size, number of head, number of head, and I'd like to I'd like to see where it stipulates that in the state. And then uh and then the third thing is I just want to make sure that when we talk about this value added processing, I mean, I don't know any me and you are not going to go build a processing plant the size of bush beans. No. Uh unless you're kicking in about 98% of the funds on that one. Um it doesn't shape. So, I just want to make sure that uh we're not just opening up and having another industrial zone here. So, I I like that this is being craft stuff, very specialized. Um, you know, I noticed that y'all had your festival out here, Main Street Festival

last Saturday. We had one in Oak Grids last Saturday and I was surprised at the number of people who were selling uh canned goods that they had processed, they had labeled and it was a it was a lot. Um that's the same deal right now we're facing too with the farmers market. You can sell your beef, your pork, but for you to get it processed, you've got to road trip and back to have that product ready. Yes. And that's what makes things difficult. And I and I for produce I think that's uh this case as well. Um well a lot of stuff a lot of stuff state Tennessee allows you to have a license to do it out of your home kitchen. Right. But they still can if you're doing it now in Jeff County, you cannot take your neighbors produce and process it. Right. But boys, if we had this in C3, you you have a place for them to Yeah. Uh and and you would get once again there's an economies of scale on anything like this. Absolutely. Uh and if it's just what you're farming, you're only allowing really big commercial farms to make that produce or to do the value added processing to produce that they can sell. I don't mean to put anyone on the spot, but what's the rest of y'all's thoughts on this? I mean, if you have one, she was Todd was going to make a comment earlier. We talking about the A1, A2, and A3. I think we need to look at those and see what if you get a copy of that. I don't know who needs to get it or if I need to get it. I can do if you could get us a copy of that for us to look at cuz that may resolve the slaughterhouse issue, which is the big one that we've all had problems with in the county. I think everybody here knows about that process. Yeah. that the state down there and strong complaints about trying to do it or not whatever.

Uh but I think if we looked at it to a two, hey, you can process 20 head of cattle. This is what you have to do. This is that uh then that might be a step in the right direction. And then the slaughterhouse wouldn't even be part of the C3. It wouldn't have to be part of the C3. No. And I think that would be that would open it up for farmers to be able to process theirs and their neighbors and we can put a cap on how many and try and because we have no green back to get process. You're not running the rest of zone. Uh not with conditional not with the conditional use. No. But with A2, A1, A2, A3. Oh, now that we would have to really look at seriously and and it's not bad to have a zone district contract on your books. I mean, it has to go on the books before you start using it, right? So, um u I I think that those are good options for you. I was going to say, why don't I um contact the planners in those areas, download the information, and send it to you, and you can review it in time to look at it for next month. Absolutely. I just got a question. You may have a You may look silly right here, but could you not allow some of it? Both of them. Sure. Yeah. Absolutely. So, just just if we allowed it in this C3, that wouldn't prohibit us from Yeah. No, as rural as county as it was. I think farmers if we can do some absolutely um you know one of the things that um I've used as an example when I've called around to ask questions are wineries um you got a lot of people in rural areas that are producing wine and

they're not growing all those grapes they're taking them that's the only thing they did they're buying grapes from their neighbors because you think of something like that how many grapes it takes. Well, all the, you know, there may be one or two wineries. There are hundreds of guys producing wine. They're selling those grapes to somebody. Absolutely. Um and that and it's it's a it's a real rural economic driver. Yeah. I think the sale from the the res part would be easier sale to go from A1 to A2. Yeah. It would and we can always put whatever limits we decide to put on A2. I believe within reason you know more about that than I do. Well again one of the things about when you have an emerging uh urban urbanization for lack of a better word of a rural area. You really want to keep me keep your commercial areas in very specific nodes where there is um traffic uh and so that protects the rest of the land from uh skyrocketing in value. If you cover these I mean that is truly spot zoning where you got just some commercial over there and some commercial over here. If you don't concentrate it, you lose uh a lot of economies of scale of centralized service areas that are commercial and uh if you put them out around the area, one they become a nuisance. Uh they become almost an attractive nuisance in the evening for your rural kids to go to

like a pool hall or something like that because you've got those things scattered about in your even in your A1 zone. Um, so I I I mean in looking at it even when you look at this, look at that area blue. Um, and just by default and typical land use patterns, I can see your road network right here and everything is SC everything that is commercial is kind of scattered around it. Got something out here. I don't know what that is. I thought blue was the lakes. Well, I I think the lake is catfish farmer. So, but those are areas you want to protect while very much encouraging. But the one thing you don't want to do is have commercial along an entire corridor like that. You want no, you want to encourage nos. So, you don't just have commercial on at that point. The problem becomes your very roads that are supposed to carry volumes of traffic can't do anymore because they just lost all their capacity. So we don't want to change. You travel it. What would you like to do as far as this goes? Mr. Chairman, I move to roll item C to the next meeting and u again encourage everybody to go look at the zoning districts in those counties. And I'd also make a comment uh on what Mr. Bale said as far as um looking at the A1 and A2 or well we have A1 the A2 and A3 districts in those other counties and how those things could be applicable in Jefferson County. Are you out pleased to take a look at Green County as well? Yeah. And I can I can download sections

of the zoning and create a PDF and email. So you don't have to we're not used to looking at other people's zoning ordinances. Sometimes it's hard to find. Okay. We have proper motion. I'll second. Do we have any further discussion? Being none, all those in favor of Austin's motion, please let known be known by saying I. I. All those opposed. And we're to item D on the agenda. Discussion to confirm that all plat survey reviews and approvals must be done by the regional planning commission and the regional planning commission should decide in the future to authorize reviews only not approvals by a non-planning commission staff member. This can only be done by following Tennessee state code annented by Mr. Bob Rosen. Bob, as we get ready to go through this, I have something I'd like to hand out to uh our planning commissioners, and I'll let you go ahead and move forward as I'm doing so what you'd like to say about it. Is this the report from the attorney general? I'm sorry, from county attorney. This is a preliminary memorandum on this uh and I will be more than happy to uh read it. Andy, take one place. It's going to take me forever to get them out. And if you'd like me to do that at the start, I'm more than happy to. If you want me to wait till you uh talk about what you have here on the agenda, I you know, I' I'd like to know what the county attorney found, what his uh research found. Now again, this is preliminary

and this goes back I'll wait till everyone has a copy of it. U this goes back to what Katherine had kind of shared with us too. Uh and I requested this so he he addressed it to me and it says chairman pursuant to your request I researched the issue with Jefferson County zoning officer official had has the authority to sign which I'll start over. Chairman, pursuant to your request, I researched the issue of whether Jefferson County zoning officer official Excuse me. Could you use the mic? It's on. That's maybe just a little closer. Thank you. Are you recording? No. Okay. I'm just making sure. Uh, chairman, I'm just pursuant to your request, I researched the issue of whether Jefferson County zoning office or official had or has the authority to sign off or approve two lot subdivision plants without the approval of Jefferson County Regional Planning Commission. Here and after we referred to as the RPC. Initially, I would note that my conclusions on the issues remain preliminary as explained here in and I've spoke with him again. He has some other stuff that he's wanting to get together, but this will kind of give you the direction of where things are going. Tennessee law, the controlling statute regarding approval and signing of subdivision plats in Tennessee counties is Tennessee code and 13-3-42. The relevant portions of the current version of this statute are below. A says from and after the time when the regional planning commission of any region as defined and created by the department of economic and community community development has adopted a regional plan which includes at least a

major road plan or has progressed in its planning to the state of the making and adoption of of major road plan and has filed a certified copy of such major road plan in the office or offices. of the county register or registers of the county or counties lying in whole or in part in such region. Then no plat of a subdivision of land within such reason other than the land located within the boundaries of any municipal corporation shall be filed for record or recorded until it has been approved by such regional planning commission or the staff of the regional planning commission. If this responsibility has been delegated to the staff by the regional planning commission as provided in subsection C and such approval endorsed in writing on the plat by the secretary of the commission or by other design of the regional planning commission provided that if the plat of subdivision divided has tracked into no more than 25 lots. if the development received preliminary plan approval through the regional planning commission or five lots. If the development did not require prelim preliminary plan approval through the regional planning commission, the approval may be endorsed in writing on the plat by the secretary of the commission or by the other design of the regional planning commission without the approval of the regional planning commission and upon certification by the regional planning commission or by the planning staff of the regional planning commission. If the commission has delegated this responsibility to its planning staff pursuant to subsection C that is the subdivision that is that the subdivision complies with such regulations governing the subdivisions of land and has been adopted by the regional planning commission pursuant

13-3-43 provided further that no request of variance from the regulations has been requested. Page two, a regional planning commission may delegate the responsibility for approval of the subdivision plat to the staff of the regional planning commission by majority vote of the regional planning commission that is taken in a public meeting after being placed on the regional planning commission's agenda meeting agenda and notice being provided as required for other matters before the regional planning commission. A regional planning commission may only delegate the responsibility of approval for subdivisions pl that includes no more than 25 acre lots. Only if the development received preliminary plan approval through the planning regional planning commission, no more than five lots if the development did not require preliminary plan approval through the regional planning commission. The subdivision complies with such regulations governing a subdivision of land as adopted in the regional planning commission pursuant 13-3-43. No request for a variance from such regulations has been requested and a division of land requiring new road or utility construction is not approved by the planning staff under the subsection C unless the plan received preliminary approval by the RPC. A RPC shall not delegate to his planning staff the authority to preliminary approve final approval of or certify a subdivision plant regardless of the number of laws proposed for the subdivision plan consistent with the parameters of this section unless each county and municipal legislative body lying in the whole or in part within and subject to the jurisdiction of the regional planning commission approved such delegation by the majority vote of

the respective legislative bodies. Tennessee code and date 13-3-42. I have also attached a copy of the current version of this statute and I'm more than happy to continue to read that, but it said, "My review of the compliers notes of this statute indicate it has undergone at least five revisions since 2004. I do not have access to the old 406 of the statute, and I'm running down copies of the same. I do have the 2010 version and it states as follows. Says from and after the time when the regional planning commission of any region as defined and created by the department of economic and community development has adopted a regional planning. I'm going to continue to read it. I'll start over again. Part A. From and after the time when the regional planning commission of any region has defined and created by the Department of Economic and Community Development has adopted a regional plan which includes at least a major road plan or has progressed in his planning to the state of the making and adoption of a major road plan and has filed a certified copy of such major road plan in the office or offices of the county register or registers of the county or counties lying in whole or in part in such a region. Then no plan then no plat of a subdivision of land within such region other than land located within the boundaries of any municipal corporation shall be filed for record or recorded until it has been approved by such regional planning commission and such approval endorsed in writing on the plat. We have uh it goes on to say we have listened to a recording of a portion of this meeting. Wait, pardon me. I've got out of line.

Yeah, it it got mixed up. The last page was actually be the third. Yeah, the last page should be the third. So by the secretary by the secretary of the commission or by other design of the regional planning commission provided that if the plat of subdivision divides the tract into no more than two lots. The approval might be endorsed in writing on the plat by the secretary of the planning commission or by other design of the regional planning commission without the approval of the regional planning commission upon certification by the planning staff of the regional planning commission that the subdivision complies with such regulations governing a subdivision of land as have been adopted by the regional planning commission pursuant 13-30-43 provided further that no request for variance from such regulations has been requested. It says, "I have attached the copies of 2010 version of this memorandum. I believe that prior to the amendment of the TCA 13-3-42 in 2004, and thereafter, the statute permitted the RPC to delegate to planning staff the RPC secretary or RPC design to sign two lot subdivisions without approval of the RPC." Again, I'm trying to attain the actual copy of the pre and post amendment 04 through06 versions of the statute. It may be that the statute provides the RPC the authority to delegate approval of two lots to only one or a combination of these identified persons. I will confirm that once I obtain a copy. It says I further believe that the statute was again amended in 06 and may have also addressed the RPC delegation of approval to lot subdivisions. If it was not amended between 06 and 10, then the 10 version would have been applicable at the time. Regardless, there is no question, and this is kind

of summing things up. Regardless, there is no question that for at least 20 plus years, Tennessee code 13-3-42 has permitted an RPC to delegate approval of subdivision plats of certain number of lots in parentheses 2 to 25. And Miss Bowwin, I think that's the exact numbers you shared with us to planning staff, RPC secretary andor other RPC design. It says, I have provided the minutes from the november 2006 RPC meeting and a policy dated 2003. The review of the RPC minutes has not been completed. We have also listened to recordings of a number of meetings, some dating back to 03. I would note that the recordings are not of the best quality and their view has uh has not been completed. The following has been found. A copy of a policy was found regarding the delegation of the approval of signing two lot subdivisions and I have a copy of that. The RPC minutes reflect the following. signing of subdivision plat. And this is from November 13, 2006. The commission did not have a secretary and on a motion by Mr. Shrader and a second by Mr. Renault, the commission unanimously voted to authorize Mr. Tim Seals to sign and approve subdivision plat. And I have a copy of those minutes as well. Says uh we have listed recordings of portion of this meeting. However, the recording ends prior to the adjournment of the meeting. I understand that Mr. Rustin is searching the tapes, continuing and they're still researching

that. Uh I have interviewed Tim Seals and a former member of the RPC. Both have indicated that the they recall the RPC delegating the approval of signing two lot subdivision plats to an RPC designate. They were unsure of the date. Um we have that in the minutes though from 2006. And uh it goes on to say uh while research continues on this issue, it appears at this time from the foregoing that the practice of permitting planning staff, the RPC secretary andor the zoning officer to approve the two lot subdivision plat has been followed since the early 2000s, if not earlier. and we have reached out to previous chairmans of the planning commission and her name was Karen Ever chairman and she come in the late 80s early 90s and uh zoning didn't start here till 98 so this probably predates that that they allowed these two lot subdivisions to be signed according to verbal interviews we again we have the minutes from the uh '06 meeting it says uh Hundreds of such plats have likely been recorded. Property sales, consummated, documents of convey of conveyance recorded, mortgages and loans obtained, utilities installed and run, homes and structures built, bought and sold, etc. in reliance upon the these recorded plat and by implication the approvals and signatures by these persons. Regardless of what further research might disclose, I do not believe that every recorded two lot subdivision plat would somehow become invalid or void. He goes on to say and I share this and

I'm not giving legal advice and he is not either to you says however if an affected citizen believes that at a certain plat approval or procedure of the RPC somehow is invalid or void or believe a property owner is violating the subdivision regulations or zoning regulations or the resolutions of Jefferson County, they certainly have the right to challenge same and seek whatever remedies they might have assuming they have legal standing on such a matter and he says he'll update me when he has continued his research. So, but we do see where Tim Seals the office he sat in because the planning commission did not have a secretary. He was voted on unanimously. We have who made the motion. We have who second the motion to give him the authority to do and that that person in that office the authority to do I don't think it was just specifically to Tim Seals he was the one name because he sat in that position at that point in time. So with that being said I don't feel very comfortable with you know going a whole lot farther until we have the rest of Mr. Drenner's research made available to us but that's what I have to update on. Mr. Chairman. Yes, sir. That is not a two plat subdivision over there next to us where we live in the forest land state. There's construction going on there. During the Easter holidays, there were 200 people celebrating Easter on that in that little property. Right now, there construction workers

over there creating a shortterm rental complex which will house something close to 80 to 100 people living in that area. One of the greatest waves that's coming towards us and maybe Katherine couldn't verify this next to us at Seabir County where the constru this grace construction is based. Seamir County has the largest saturated STRs in the world. There are approximately 58,000 short-term rentals in Sevir County and they're coming in this direction. That two plot subdivision we're talking about is just the tip of the spear of the movement of short-term rentals that's going to overwhelm this county. It's going to overwhelm because there's another thing that's happening. There's a unpronouncable French name. This company that's coming at exit 407. It's called Pui Fu. Nobody can even pronounce that. But that is a global uh company like Disney World. It makes Disney World something really small. There's going to be thousands, hundreds of thousands people coming at 407 and wanting to they can't go to Seville County because it's saturated. There's no places that that what they're going to come and we're already about, you know, talking about C3 or C2 or whatever. Our county is going to be saturated with STRs and they're coming in this direction. Unless we stop things like that, this countyy's doing them. We're debating all this. I'm listening all this conversation. Our county is going to disappear. Unless we do something about these STRs that's appeared in my in my area and I'm concerned about it and that's the reason I came on this committee to stop this

this thing from happening. Bob, I would urge you to control your temper. Pardon me? I would urge you to control your temper. I am controlling my temper. When I graduated and got my PhD, my professor told me the most important words in the English language is wait a minute. I've waited a minute and I've listened to all this and I'm debating, you know, listening to to to you about, you know, the things that you want. What I want is to prevent this county from going downhill and and I'm saying that STR in in next to me in that in that in in my subdivision is a is a spear that's going to destroy this county and I'm not exaggerating and I want you all to do something about it. Okay. U I think there is some stuff in the comments. Okay. I've got somebody answer this question for me. There's some stuff in work right now about short-term rentals. We're trying to get ahead of the game on the short-term rentals to you're not I find it hard to stop somebody from renting their property. So, what we're trying to do is get it to where we can control it where we can receive the tax money coming in from it. And it's a process. It's slow process. You've been at many of the meetings. You know what I'm talking about. Um, I can't say Ryan, you can't rent your house. That's to me that's infringing on your property rights. And I understand he has 400 of them and I've got a little house next door to it. I'm not going to be happy about that. But that's that's where we're at. So, we are working on that. And and forgive me, I want to say it's the ain't the person. I can't even think of the name that fit in so many. Public service. public service committee. Okay. Um, public service committee is working on that. We have been working on that and

it's it's slow process, but I feel like Katie and and Jim Norton and I'm on there, too. But I take none of the credit because they are much better at that stuff than I feel like they are trying their best to do a good job on that and to get something to bring forth. to at least capture some of the money from that in a way that we can benefit the county and to control it and at least make sure that we don't have every Tom Dick and Harry out here written out a shed that's got sewage running out on the ground because that is one of the issues that we've talked about where it's actually happening in Jefferson County. They have sewage. The guy lives out of state and he he can't do it. So can't do anything about it to a certain extent. Say it's down. I'm not sure where it's at to be honest with you. Yeah. No, I just about said the word. But uh the thing is you throw the preserver. We are trying our best and working. I'm going to say they are working. Janet and Katie are working very diligently. I believe you've been to some of the I I drafted the ordinance. There you go. Stay by for doing the best you can. You disagree with everything I just observations I made. Do you disagree with what I just said? I'm waiting for the chairman. I'm going to let her sum it up. Let me let out since I she's going to She's the expert on everything. She takes about 80% of our time talking. I'm going to ask the expert. Did I say anything wrong that you disagree with regarding the direction of STRs going in our in our area? And I think I'm an I and um I'm going to recogn the chairman needs to make the judgment call. I'm

going to give Austin the floor for just a moment and I'm going to let her sum this up. Okay, fine. Go ahead. Uh Mr. Chairman, after hearing you read the uh report from the county attorney, I'm looking at the I guess this is a caption of the minutes. Yes. Yes. And it looks like they put you you see the commission unanimously that's the RPC the commission unanimously voted to authorize Mr. Tim Seals to sign approved subdivision plat. So obviously for a very long time POP was the designate. Um, with that being said, would you while you're talking to the attorney about this, would you ask now that POP is um out of the office, does the design, does that need to be updated? And that will be part of the conversation and has been preliminarily. Uhhuh. Was it himself or him as the office? Yeah. The position he held in the county. Yeah. And Jim happened to be that position. Yeah. cuz the way it read in the TCA code, you have a designate or or you could or it could be like you said the office. So, um anyway, that was my comment. Okay. Thank you, Austin. And Miss Palvin, if you would now give you the floor and let you bring all this together. Okay. Um one, you're um you're using phrases interchangeably that are not interchangeable phrases. Okay. First of all, because um short-term rentals have nothing to do with plats. Short-term rental. Okay. It's my turn. I have the floor. [Music] I have the floor. Um uh it is true we've got a short-term

rental provision under consideration. uh it will license and um uh institute an inspection program to make sure that they are safe. That's what the short-term rental program does. It will also charge a fee that goes to the county that will establish a revenue stream for running a program where you can keep track of where they are and that they are compliant with the requirements. Uh so that's just short-term rental. um 80 anything that is being built to accommodate 80 individuals is not short-term rental. That is something that the state of Tennessee refers to as group assembly. And if that is ongoing, then the county should address it and bring in the state of Tennessee because that is not what the property is zoned for. and uh if it has that many people, it literally falls under their jurisdiction to inspect it. So, what would the process look like and involving the county if that's what's taking place? Uh, I report it to the state of Tennessee Fire Marshall's office. Okay. And do we need proof that that's what's taking place? Uh, yeah. Well, I would And what kind of proof would you need? Yeah. I mean, the state fire marshall is not going to come in and look at something. I'm sorry. Without um um just you calling saying this is happening or the neighbor saying this is happening. I think they would want pictures or something along those lines. But once again, if they are are outside of the realm of building one house on one lot because it is a R1 zone district, I believe. Is it R1? A1. A1 A1. But that's still one house per lot.

These are small lots. We approved three of them. Um or three were recorded. Two. Two. Two were recorded. There was the original one with the original house on it and then there were two more. I believe there that was requested but they ended up putting the two structures together. And what about the existing structure was on there. Well, let's talk about that later. Okay. Okay. Um so, but that is a plan. So if what you are saying is ongoing there, the county needs to take the steps to document it. You need to send your, you know, somebody out there to document that. And then if it is anything other than that allowed by zoning, it's a zoning violation. It should be reported to um the state fire marshall's office because it is truly group assembly. Um short-term rental is a great program, but it is not a land use. The land use is a single family detached house. Uh, and they're allowed. How it's owned and what is done with it is not land use. So, it's not governed by your zoning ordinance. It's it's it's outside the boundaries of your zoning ordinance. Um, as far as the issue at hand, because we do not have short-term rentals on the agenda. That's not what this resolute Well, that's not what this considerate consideration is. So, let's set that aside. Let's set aside the 80 individuals that you say are going to be accommodated on this property. Let's set that aside. Uh, so we're just looking at two lot subdivisions. Um, now I discussed this at length with an attorney with CASS and on your um the last page of your little handout. Let me go over one paragraph that he and I went over together. And and listen, I

will not comment on it without Mr. Drenham being here since it's his work. Be a need need to be conversation. But I want to read this to you and then I want to make a suggestion. Um, so I'm just going to start at the top. By the secretary of the commission or another designate of the regional planning commission, provided that if the plat of a subdivision, the divides the tract into no more than two lots, the approval may be endorsed in writing on the plat by one, the secretary of the planning commission. Okay, that's clear who that person is. It is the woman that says right there is not him. Right. Okay. Two, the next statement or by another design of the regional planning commission. Mr. Edwards says that that designate has to be a member of the planning commission and typically if the secretary is not available and you're looking to close on property that is def by default the chairman of the planning commission because at that point it goes on to say secretary or another designate without the approval of the regional planning commission and it the and this is the important part Upon certification by the planning staff of the regional planning commission that the subdivision complies with such regulations governing a subdivision as land as has been adopted by the regional planning commission pursuant to 13. So what the staff is allowed to do is determine compliance of the plat with your subdivision regulations. The signature is either the secretary or a designate of the regional planning commission. One

or two. Now, what I think you guys need to do, pass another resolution that says Stephanie has the approval instead of fighting about it or going back and forth about. This is a very common practice. I've got like four two lot subdivisions from jurisdictions this week and I review them. I approve them. I I've got a pat thing I send to the secretary. It's time to sign this. I have never signed a plat. Um I've never talked to a planner who has signed a plat which is which is very indicative to me. Uh however, the approval of two lot subdivisions by the staff of a planning commission, municipal, regional, county, is as common as white bread. Everybody does this. In fact, if you revoke that, you would be the only county that would not allow it. So, I think it's just cut to the chase. Pass a resolution that says all two lot subdivisions can be approved by your staff. She will determine compliance. She will send it to the secretary. And if you have someone else, the secretary is not available. I suggest you make the chairman the other design of the planning commission. Let me ask a question on that. And and be done with it. Be done with it. This is this is ridiculous. Um if um it doesn't say where does it say that it has to be the chairman or it has to be a person of the planning commission because here it says regional planning commission may delegate the responsibility for approval of the subdivision plat to the staff and this

is Tennessee code annotated to the sta approval of subvdision plat to the staff of the regional planning commission by the majority it says staff of the reg right but that's for approval of a subdivision plaque they are determining compliance with your subreg right the approval region plan mention about delegate responsibility of approval and region plan may delegate the responsibility of the approval subdivision plan and it goes through that right and then it went on to say and then it goes back back to say again the secretary of the commission or by another designate of the regional planning commission that is the newest regs, but that was not the regs in 2010 when this was put in place. I'm I'm not going to get right and that's that's why the lawyers need to talk about that and this is this is CASS's attorney. So this is not and he's Jefferson Countyy's attorney and they need to work that out. Just the fact that u when I asked CES, do you know any jurisdiction that allows a staff person to sign a plaque? The answer was no. They approved them. They cannot sign. Okay. Um, but again, if you we could you could just put all this to rest, next planning commission put in a a resolution by this body to designate Stephanie to approve two lot subdivisions with the understanding that the secretary will sign them and or another designate of the planning commission which should be chair and that's at peace with doing so if that need be, but the approval is done and it's just waiting for a signature as you said you had four This week we've got four cents Tuesday land back here that can't be signed tonight that's being held up because our secretary isn't here

because your secretary isn't here. But it but that verbiage another designate of the planning commission. Yeah. And that's I I would definitely won't you can ask about that and if he has any questions have him call Sam Edwards. Okay. Did he Huh? You probably already have maybe U Sam and I discussed this and that's 1402 or 402 403 was the one that was in place whenever they designated themselves and every year the legislature introduces amendments. Uh it was three years ago that they said you could appro but they started out by years ago saying you can do two staff can do two. Uh then they changed it to staff can do five as long as it is a minor subdivision with now there's some caveats here no variances no dedication of utilities electric service water sewer or roads automatically it doesn't matter what the size is that has to be approved by the planning commissioner has to be by this body um then the Hey, three years. So, it's gone from two to five to 25. Uh 25 was done, I think, three years ago. And um it is the only place I know that is doing that is uh middle Tennessee where like a Franklin or Williamson County where you've got subdivisions with you know 3,500 lots and you're picking off faces and you've done all the preliminary. Keep in mind, I I've said this many, many times, the plat with the meat in it is your preliminary plat because that's your road and drainage plan. And that is

very important. 25 is uh now I don't I don't agree with the legislature and we don't want that. No, I don't I would not do it. I would not take the liability for doing it. Um but two is I mean that's just Pat everybody does that but they do follow the procedure of the secretary or the chairman. So I would I would I think you had something you want to say or second know what the threshold of gra is the threshold of grip sand that's a good question I don't know but uh I know it's your fire code it's stipulated in in your fire code but it is not locally adopted fire codes it is state fire codes that applies statewide Yeah. Okay. Um um I'll give you an example. A church, I don't care what the size of the church is, the local fire marshall cannot approve it. A state fire marshall must approve a church. uh any kind of anything where you have a large group of people that are assembled has to have uh state fire marshal approval because they don't only look at the fire system, the suppression system, the volume, the everything about your water system. That typically requires a sprinkler system, but they also look at ingress egress and how you're notifying people to exit a building. Go ahead, Bob. Ryan, may I request I mean, I made my little emotional speech upset you, but you know, I'm not upset at all. That's the way Professor Yeah. Not I I'm I'm requesting Katherine, I'm requesting you and this committee to go

and take a look at that two sub sub division that we're talking about and and and convince me that that was just a two plant subdivision, not a shortterm complex. I am saying that Tuplat subdivision which is to me a short-term complex is the future of this county. Can I just May I make a couple of comments? When I was going to bush beans uh at the bush beans you take a right turn to go to Seiraville take a left turn to go to Newber and I went over to that nice nice restaurant that you were talking about. I stopped at that point and and we we couldn't we couldn't make it to left or right and I saw a whole bunch of cars bumper to bumper going up uh Chestnut Hill Road. I said, "Geez, somebody very important must have a funeral. Somebody died." Brian from that point all the way down to 20 miles down towards Seirville. Cars line back to back. This was Sunday afternoon. Those are the people leaving Severeville after they're spending their time in Dollywood and and they were coming back. Where were they going? They were going right to Newport left to uh our county. What I'm saying to you and I'm I've tried to explain maybe too emotionally that what we're talking about minutia about two part sub plat subdivision. We are facing facing really a disastrous onflow of short terms that are coming towards everybody that has a farm, a land, a barn or whatever is going to turn. Do you realize that 8 10 short-term rentals some can generate almost $250,000 a year? I think all the farmers around here, the people around here, once this slope starts come here, people are going to start their selling their land and

selling it as short-term rentals. And that's what I'm concerned about. And I'm saying to you that complex over there is just the side of things to come. Maybe I may too emotional, but please record this because I'm going to be gone a few years. I'm 88 years old. I'm going to be gone. that tw 10 12 years when your children look at this county and see it totally destroyed and when you talk about farming talking about slaughterous then none of that's going to be here Brian it's going to be short-term rentals because if people are going to make money and that's what I'm concerned about it's uh at the rate we're going today they're definitely not going to be here the ones we had we didn't allow uh but to address back to what's on the agenda we have nothing to do with that short-term rental. Okay. And as as extravagant as that place may be and he wants to make it a short-term rental and they they figure out how they going to handle that as far as a county and collecting monies off of it. That's fine. They can rent it to a family of eight a family of 10, you know, and they can they can do that the way things are currently. I don't think they can to 80. I have some questions I would like answered that comes up. Uh the fire deal the 80 orever how many they have to be inside the home. Yeah. Do they have to be inside the home at one time? I mean, if you've got people in the field and I'm I'm just I'm I'm thinking, how do you do a Bonnaroo? How do you in the country on farmland? How do you do a festival? How do you how do you do a farm day soil conservation or that's at a school, right? No, that's on county farms where projects have been done. Oh. Oh, I see what you're So, I mean, and those are not continual events, but they're occasional events. So, is that stuff we want to look at governing, too, you know, with what they're allowed to do on the land? I think there people in

place and committees in place to work on the short-term rentals, the whole two lot subdivision deal, and that's what went on over there. I think we're putting that to rest. They're in compliance with the two lot subdivision. I I don't know if they are or not. Well, according to everything that we've seen and the folks have been out, they had have no idea about the people there. But if there's pictures of people there, if there's video of people there, then we can notify the state. But we as the county can't go over there and tear it down or run them off. Okay. To my knowledge, I I'll bring some pictures and videos for the for our next meeting. We don't need that here at the meeting. That goes that goes to the office and it goes on the state. We have nothing to do with there. I'm just It's just a warning. That's what I'm just trying to understand that, but it's again, we can't do anything about them having the short-term rental in this body in this body. And there's there's a committee in place to handle those things. They're right here. I'm part of that committee. Okay. So, okay. I'm So, if they're handling it, why are we talking about it? Because delay. Sorry to interrupt. Oh, okay. But still, we we can't do anything about that. So, the short-term rental provision is not a uh anything the planning commission has jurisdiction over. Uh most planning commissions have assumed that authority or it's been referred to them by the uh legislative body, but it is a freestanding resolution adopted by the uh legislative body. It does not have anything or refer anything back to the planning commission for consideration. Okay. This is Yeah. No, it would not come back here. Um but we've got the committee that's been working on is um advisors and I think it's most of the county commission

and the county mayor. Okay. So, do we have any more discussion on item D? Um, once again, your main concern is not the two lot subdivision. I'm I'm thinking about the future, but it's it I I don't think that that's your issue. I think you're that the thing that makes you upset is the actual land use occurring on the property and that is outside the bounds of the zoning ordinance and the zoning designation. I think those people pulled what I'm concerned about. They use that as an excuse to sneak in a short-term rental complex. Do we have any further discussion? What are we doing with this item? It was only for discussion. We're going to roll the next meeting resolution. discussion to confirm that all plat survey reviews and approval must be done by the region planning commission. Thank you for reing me back in said we're waiting on the rest of our lawyers findings and stuff like that. So I will entertain the motion. Bob the one presented this. I'm sorry. I said you presented this item. I said I'll entertain a motion to roll this to next month. I'll make a motion to roll the next one. Motion we have a second. Any more discussion? All those in favor let me know by saying I. I [Music] Okay, other business. Um, Min, I think you have some in the Maybe this is really timely. So, there is Did they get a copy of this? So, um, but I can make some real quick. Okay. So the East Tennessee Development

District is basically codifying the services that are offered under your contract. Um your uh contract with the development district is based on the population of the the governing jurisdiction. Um and those that is a list of everything that we offer and do. um most of it is maintenance like and I think they're trying to put people on notice and there are a couple of um jurisdictions uh in this area that have come forward and said um okay we're not want to ma maintain our zoning we want a brand new one and we want it to be written from scratch well that is outside the ability of a staff person working part-time to do. Um, so if you would ever want to do something like that, it would be an additional cost. Basically, everything that I've done so far that you're accustomed to your planners doing is maintenance. We maintain your zoning ordinance. We advise on your existing subregs, on your uh zoning ordinance. We also work to determine compliance with those documents for items that are submitted on the agenda, and we will continue to do so. What we want to acknowledge is that if you have any special um documents that if you're expanding on our list, then they're they're basically wanting to put everyone on notice that that might be something outside the realm of maintenance and you would have to pay extra for that. Um I have and I'll give you an example. Uh we have had a city come into our uh jurisdiction and ask for

have a copy. I'll go back there. I thought we had Okay. Sorry for the interruption. Asked for a new zoning map to be drawn from scratch. Well, we have a GIS operator. Uh and I'll be honest, it was County. They had, in fact, I had their uh their little map. They had a little map of the entire county and they said, "We want a Well, it looks just like that." Yeah. And that came from Yeah. the state Jordan. Yes. Yes. So, if you wanted us to take this and do an atlas, which means that you would have a 105 page zoning map, we can do that. But it is outside the realm of maintenance. Um the um in in in addition to that, we would have to get every ordinance and we do need to do this. Get every ordinance of new property you have reszoned and have it reflected under atlas. Uh I don't think that that's a bad idea for you guys. Uh it may be that the atlas doesn't need to be 105 pages, but that suggests what they've done so far. Okay. In in terms of looking at it, um they had to do that from scratch for Cot County and it was outside the realm of maintenance for that jurisdiction. Um any kind of anything that I've done today would be within your scope and so you would not need to worry about it. But they have not done this in the past. So they wanted us all to get that document that you have signed by the chairman and acknowledged by the planning commission. Okay. It's kind of prefunct. So anything that we would have that might be out of the scale of what you're supposed to do for us, you would

inform us. Okay. That's that's that's out there. Is there anything that you're supposed to have done you hadn't done? I still got a lot of hate. That's I do. That's I think they can have it just so they'll know what we're talking about. I would love to have a tour of a trailer with a lot of help. There there's time if you follow me home. I'm not sure I'd need much help getting them off there. Unless the truck has a push button you push that just dumps them off, but no, there there's really nothing now. Um I'm sure that's more of that. Yeah. Just recently, Towns Towns wanted a total new comprehensive plan. That's a big thing. Um the the company I work for, we did a comp plan for actually Parks and Rec Pigeon Forge. Um it was pretty big. Guaranteed. So well and for to Mr. Forganza's comments. U Pitch and Porch has a population of 7,000, a little over I think it's like 75. So that's what they base their contract on. And yet their daytime population on per year is 3 million. So it was a it is disparity of scale. Absolutely. If I may mention with the papers that were just passed out to you, the very last section on the back says uh training and continuing education. This is uh there's periodic updates, planning related legislation, planning concepts, informing members of training opportunities and individual training sessions. Uh there are some dates on there when that stuff will be taking

place. Uh and you can update us with locations on those and stuff. And those are um those are kind of proposed ones, but uh we just did two. We did one in Jeff City. Did anybody here go to that one? I think I sent you notices. I was No, that's I did not make it. We had plans to attend, but I was at work. Oh, well, they did one in Jeff City and they did one in Clinton. I actually was one of the instructors in Clinton. Um but um you know and I know you're doing the minutes. Um I think you should I mean what what be we've been looking at here? We've been looking at Tennessee code annotated. Um I would count I would put in the minutes that you had 30 minutes of training if not an hour at least. I'd say yeah because I've read it probably another 30 minutes per year. Uh, I would put an hour of training in at the you you're supposed to by state law, you're supposed to enter that into the minutes and um uh just state that there were 30 minutes of planning of training on Tennessee code annotated 13342. Thank you for that, Miss B. Uh, do we need to do this as far as going ahead and want me to sign this? Do we need to make a motion? Are you all in agreement? Are you at peace with it? How do you want to handle that? Yes, sir. Do we have a choice? Well, it sounds we don't sound like this is adopted. So, yeah. Didn't sound like a choice. No. Do we do we need a We get a motion, a second, and then that authorizes the chairman to sign it. Mr. Chairman. Yes, sir. So moved. Have proper motion. Do we have a second? Have a second. Have any discussion? Actually, yes. Okay. Well, no. Let's get let's get through this and then okay no discussion. All those in favor of chairman signing the Jefferson

County Planning Commission 2025 annual work program please let know by saying I. I. All those opposed. Uh we do have some other business. Uh Miss Stephanie Rustin would like to give us an update. I was just going to let y'all know I've been to White Pine and Jefferson City with the campground new regulation and going into C or taking it out of all the all the zone and putting it in C2 and they both have passed them. I go to Gandards July 8th I believe it's 8 for their vote. I know Jefferson City's I was beginning to think they weren't going to pass it because they discovered now they don't really have any RV park spot in their zoning right now. So I think they originally thought, well, we're not going to do this, but then they got to thinking, well, maybe we need to work on this. So that they're now going to be working on getting RV parks put in their zoning at some point because they don't have it listed as an allowable use. As an allowable use. Yes. Okay. So, will it come to commission? It will be July. Commission July 21st. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Do we have any other business, Mr. Chairman? Uh going back to Mr. Foley's uh during citizens comments, he brought up this zoning map. Do we already have this in the pages? Well, and I realize that Jordan could be huge that huge map. We've got those that we looked at here probably last winter winter before guess that have been approved but they don't those are the ones that have no you they're just the parcels they don't have parcel IDs or anything on it and they don't have overlays yet either correct without overlays I thought we were supposed to do north and south me knowing what I've done from looking at our zoning map so much I can look at

that map and tell you what isn't what but anybody us looking at it was not going to realize where the property's located. Yeah. Um and we were told they couldn't do like the old maps we have anymore. So I'm not sure. It's what the mapping girl said. Yeah. Awesome. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Do we need to adopt this map? Oh, I assume you have adopted it. Yeah. I think didn't it say at the bottom that it has ma'am? 2011 111 2011. Okay. Okay. So when you in fact one of the things when we did the new one for New Taswell we found a lot that we were treated as industrial that had never been reszoned. And concurrent with that we found a public road that had never been abandoned. So it's a good thing to do. Um, but when you do a new zoning map, you it has to have approval of this body. Then it goes to your legislative body to radians with public hearing. Okay. But we never changed anything. So we're we're still working on we're playing. Okay. Still working on the plan and to get that map with the overlays. I My question is we have some areas. I had a call last week about a zoning and somebody want to do like a little home occupation business on their property. When I pulled the zoning, it's zoned commercial. It's like a threeacre track with a mobile home on it next to commercial property and we never reszone it. So, I'm not sure what do we need to do do in those situations that we've got those that are So, you're using a database that has it tagged as commercial, but your map doesn't. So, my map shows it commercial. Your map shows it commercial. But you think that that's inaccurate? Well, we never I mean that

probably was something that was put on in 98 and it's been there's been a house on it for the whole time. Well, that's just a nonformity. But uh Well, what do they need to do though if they want to subdivide it the property or they have to resign it back to A1, which is what the majority of the property around it is. If it if you have a map that has been adopted and shows it as commercial. So what what which commercial is it? C it's C2. C2 that does not allow any residences in it. Yeah. They'd have to in fact I remember not too long ago we just did. Yeah. We unzone something or zone it back done through plan. I mean it had been done though actually through county commission. This one I think has been one I can't find any record back or anything that's a resounding was done on that exact property. Do you have records of every single a lot of you know that's another reason that you update maps is because it will cure um I tell you what next uh staff meeting I have with the development district I will ask and uh since they have that I'll talk to Emily and see what the process would be and how difficult and we can determine if it would be within in your current scope that you just signed or outside of that scope if there would be have to be an additional amount of money. Give me a favor by the next month. We'll sign we get done uh in typically don't do this. I'm making a special exception tonight in lie of our short meeting we've had. Uh Mr. Foley, you had something you want to say real quick. I just want to clarify that the handout I gave you folks. It's just the cover sheet as you alluded to, Miss Bowwin. It I guess Jordan made you a whole atlas. There are 106 tiles to the whole.

So what I gave you was just cover sheet. Yes, we have, but it doesn't have the over. We've never seen the atlas put together. We've seen big spread outs like 3x5s or two by threes, you know, really cumbersome. Like I said, it doesn't have the overlays for addressing or it doesn't have and that had to be put on it. And I don't know if that's something that's within the scope of what we can have y'all do or we won't have to pay extra for that. Right. May pass the hat. I'll show you any any further business. I have a proper motion. Have a second. All those in favor of German can let it be known by standing. [Music] is turn Way to go. We're going to get you a raise. What are you doing? My phone. the calendar. Thank you, sir. You're welcome. Thank you. time delay on it if it's red. I'm put this back up. Nobody [Music]