Senior Advisory Committee - Regular Meeting

Welcome

everybody to the senior advisor meeting today. And we're going to start with the pledge of allegiance.

Pledge allegiance to the flag of The United States Of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Thank you. We're going to move on to approval the agenda.

Do I have a motion to approve the agenda?

Yes, Motion to approve. Second.

All in favor?

Aye. So

we're going to approve the minutes from the last meeting, the fourseventeentwenty twenty five.

Do we have an approval? Second?

Second, Penelope Rokman.

All approve?

Aye.

Aye.

So the next will be the staff updates right now.

So we'll actually go after the approval of the amendments to the presentation, which will be from the Wellington Senior Club. And Eileen Kunal, which is the club president, is here today. So we'll bring her up.

Thank you. Hi, Eileen. Thank you. I took a little leave this

weekend. Oh.

It didn't land well.

No, gee.

Okay. Just

make sure she speaks in time. Gotcha.

Am I supposed to speak? Not yet.

I think Yep. It's all So if we just want to start with giving an overview of the senior club, and then they're just going to ask some questions pertaining to that as well.

A review of the senior club. Okay. In 1992, there was a creation of a senior club thirty three years ago. In 2017, we celebrated the twenty fifth anniversary of our club.

What can I say about this club? It's the best thing I've seen for seniors in my life. I could chart things from my grandmother and my mother and the things they did for seniors. And we're 100% improved because we do it on a daily basis. And we include more than just a lunch. We try to include day to day experience for positive things and positive thinking. Overall.

And then maybe just the programs that we have at the community center, and then also the trips, and those types of things, too, maybe might be good for them to know.

The trips and the things that we do are all around the contract that we've had with the village. I don't even know when that started. I don't have that date. But I know step by step, it is how we spend the money that we have, and it is the order that we keep in our lives number of lunches, number of trips, dances, just the different projects that we have based on the whole year. It is the way we keep our budget.

Just following the same footsteps year after year, not really changing the format, but staying within the amount of money that we have to work with. That's basically how we run it. What's expanded is the extra things that go on in the other rooms that we're allowed to have at the center itself. And that is another touch that we have in our place to communicate with other people and get them more positive in their motivation. It's kind of a hard thing when you go into your senior years.

I think it can be very depressing. And if it wasn't, they wouldn't include it in your Medicare checkup every year. They ask you about your depression because they really want you to be more social. And that's the aspect that we have tried to keep up. I've been with the club myself.

I joined in 2009. I've been on the board since 2011. And I've had many, many different jobs along the way. So I really have a good overview of every job and everything that's necessary to put the club together. I don't know if there's any other areas that you'd want me to touch on. I'm not sure.

Well, it certainly sounds like you have an active club. And it certainly sounds like you've done a lot in the community to help seniors. I wonder, when you said all the activities, do seniors in your group come to the senior activities that are provided by the village the lunches, the breakfast, the bingo, the Zumba?

There's a separation of power between the two items, in a sense. The things that the village does, they extend their boundaries further. Because we're incorporated in the rules in our incorporation, say, 55 years old Wellington member, You have to be a Wellington resident to join us. And that's the way it was structured years ago and not changed. So that's the pyramid we have to speak.

When we consider a new member, we really look them up on the property rolls to make sure that they do live in Wellington. Because after all, the funding money that we use is Wellington's money. So they really want to keep that money, or the things that we do in particular, for Wellington people. So that is the way that corporation is structured this way.

Any questions?

Yes. How are you doing? So specifically, the club underwrites costs for lunches, and I think you're saying about nine lunches a year.

Yes.

And then some trips, some field trips. But everything else is directed and funded through Jennifer's programs?

Within the perimeter of our contract specifically says nine to 12 trips. We have to meet that criteria.

And

as far as the people that are going on these trips, in particular, they pay twothree of the cost and we pay onethree of theirs. So that's our gift to them when we're traveling. If you're going to a theater, there are three legs to that. There's your bus. There's your theater tickets. And then we go to dinner. So it is a day's event. And that is, for example, if it was $90 they would pay $60 We would pay $30 of it.

GREGORY Okay. And so they're paying an annual DELL: dues.

Yes.

GREGORY Correct. But the monies that you're using to subsidize whatever they're not paying are village funded dollars?

GREGORY Their contribution is $30 Right. Per

But then your onethree really comes out of

village It

comes out of that. Okay. So is there a reason why you are getting dues when the village is funding you? So I guess my question is, why couldn't any village member or village resident over 55 just participate in your events without having to collect dues because you're actually being funded by our tax dollars. So that's kind of

what we're trying to get a sense of. Okay. So a sense of that. This is a good month to ask that question. Because our Thanksgiving lunch with entertainment will be just short of $5,000 Okay. So take that times nine, you've got $45,000 How far do you think I would get with trips or anything else that I have to do? Would have no money.

GREGORY Well, village has been funding. So you have a big treasury. We're just trying to kind of get our heads around. It's like a private club is getting public funding. And as an advisory group to the council, we're trying to be comfortable with understand that this has been happening for now thirty something years.

But a lot of programming has shifted to village staff. So I'm just wondering if maybe both groups could just work together, or you, I guess, supplement some of the things that Jennifer and her staff are doing without people having to pay dues for that, because there seems to be some duplicity, and then utilize your treasury as you move forward to fund these events. In my mind, I'm just wondering how this looks to the community when you have the Rotary Club, the Kiwanis Club, nobody is getting public funding, or has gotten public funding to run their organization. And I understand early on there was no Jennifer, no staff whatsoever. So you guys filled a huge void for the village and for their seniors.

But as we've gone through thirty years, we now are in a position where there is extensive senior programming by city officials or city employees. And that's all funded by so I'm trying to see, is there a pathway to kind of meld into a new kind of programming, incorporating the things that you all do, but moving toward everything being under the umbrella of the village versus a private club. Kind of just trying to get our understanding of this, because many of us and I don't want to speak for anybody here but many of us were surprised at the fact that the senior club has been funded with public dollars. And we understand the reason why that happened at one point. So we're trying to kind of get an understanding so that we could make the best recommendation to counsel.

So sorry, that was a very long winded not even a question, but a comment.

Any more comments?

A comment. Okay.

All I'd like to just we had discussed this three or four meetings back. And I think we're a little sometimes we use the word private. It gets a little we're way up there. We're kind of snooty. The membership is $30 a year, right? And there's only two requirements, age 55 and being a resident of Wellington?

Yes, resident of Wellington.

That is really a private club, I would say that's a voluntary kind of contribution to the club. Think if there was initiation, a membership process where you vet people and you can get into the club and you can't, then I would use the word private. Until then, I'm afraid of using the word private because of the connotations it has.

Right. Meaning like, well, Rotary and Kiwanis, they're not private. They're civic organizations. So in that same category and I'm not looking to split hairs. I'm just looking from the public perception of this. And again, I'm looking at the duplicity of programming. And maybe when working jointly with joint funds, there's even more that Jennifer and her staff can offer to seniors. Although I can't hardly imagine because your schedule is so packed.

We would have to unincorporate, I would think, or change our ruling entirely because our whole focus is making sure that it's Wellington dollars, that these are Wellington people who are receiving it. So therefore, my feeling I was president at the time when we started to take in Lake Worth, Royal Palm, and to welcome them into whatever we were doing here in the community. But that changed a little bit in my rules because there's a list of game rooms that are kind of given to us and that we utilize. And we're so grateful for them because that's a little gathering spot for x people. Great.

Well, it used to be that in order to use that room, you had to be a member of Wellington Senior Club. Well, once you opened that, I said, I am not going to ensure that that is the direction because that's not fair. You're going to charge some people and not the other. They have to be a member. In other words, some of those people were paying.

And they are quilters. And they make and donate everything that they make and create. But they were paying to have that room in the sense, 30 a year. It sounds like no money because when I started, it was $15 a year. But it has risen.

It's like over ten years, then it goes up $10 like that. So there's things that would have to change if you put the two together. Because the rules that we follow

and

that tight structure making sure it's Wellington people that are coming to our club, we would have to change that. Totally that thinking. I'm not exactly sure. It would take a lot of working together to do such a thing.

Does the club have an interlocal agreement with you all to use the facility? Is that how I don't understand what's the difference between the people just coming to your programming versus people who have paid part of the senior club?

Yes. So part of their contract, it does state within the contract, for instance, like Mahjong. So it's on a certain day. And then the facility itself, we obviously are going to offer the room to the best of our ability. We are gonna accommodate. So we open, you know, it is a public building, so we do open, you know, our programs to everybody, of course. And so we do have that stated within the contract that we do host that program.

Okay. So you host it for anybody who comes regardless if they're members? Correct. So I think it's my in my mind the waters are more muddy now even that I see I don't know. I'm going let somebody else.

Donna, I'm just trying to understanding you trying to figure out. Since Senior Club of Wellington using the facility is still charging fees to be a member of the club, but using facilities from Wellington seems like a profiting from that's my understanding, just trying to comprehend this. You're charging fees while using public rooms. So, the question with Donat forgive me if I say

this wrong,

you're collecting fees while you're getting subsidized by the city of Wellington and using the facility of Wellington centers to provide the service you're providing, which is great. I'm just trying to get an idea, you know, and just for me everything is new. So, I'm just trying to comprehend because I never been in the senior club. So, just pardon me for that. Know, just trying to understand this. So, my understanding about this, you know, you're getting subsidized by the city of Wellington, also you're charging fees. But when it comes to the facility, using facilities from the city of Wellington, why are you charging fees?

Yeah. I didn't understand the last part of your question.

Anybody else?

Yes. Do we have a rough idea of how much the village contributes to your budget every year? In other words, what's the stipend that the council Well, gives haven't to the senior club every had anything

for two years. But prior to that, was $56,200 So

the last two years, you've got nothing from the village?

Nope. Not last year or this year. Because I had a savings account.

Okay.

And there an audit?

Spending Okay. It.

And at this point, what do you have that you've gotten over the years from the village that you still have in hand that hasn't been spent?

What do I have?

What is your balance at this point from what you've received from village funds in your savings account?

Well, first of all, my accountant's on vacation, so I couldn't give

I mean, approximate. I mean, just ballpark what you're operating from.

I would

say probably we're down to about 80,000 or $90,000 left.

So because of that, that's probably why the village hasn't funded you the last few years, last couple of years, right?

I'm not really sure what I haven't received anything.

Okay. We're doing was wondering if it was an annual

Yes. So the last time that we paid them, so our contract backdates to October 2024, like we had discussed at the previous meeting. And so we did fund them the previous year. It just wasn't this past year that we didn't, if that makes sense. We didn't give them any money because of the overage of fees that they have.

So '24 they weren't funded.

Right. That's what was not planned.

It's been one full year Yes, coming exactly. Up. One full year.

Correct.

And the usual, the contract, the village has been allotting to the senior club how much in previous years?

56,200. So, like she had alluded to, and I think we kind of discussed this, but previously, we used to just give the 56,200. And I would say over the last three years, maybe three years, is when, it was changed and to where we take in the expenditures. They present it to us, finance checks it, and then we reimburse them for expenses.

Rather than give the $56,000 Correct. Okay.

Rather than, is that what you said? Yes.

Okay.

And that started in 'twenty four?

I believe so. I'd have to double check on the timeframe, but.

Okay. Did that money come out of your senior programming budget, or just a different line item?

Yeah, it's a different line item. So we have it within our budget. It is the senior club contribution. Then we have our own senior budget for, like, our events and programs, bingo, those types of things.

Anybody a tennis player here? Do you use the village facilities? Yes. Is there a charge for that?

Yes. Yes. Is

it an annual charge or

Depending on if you want to be a member or not, but every time you go there's some fee if you're not member.

Okay. So you can buy a membership?

You can purchase a membership.

And you also pay for court time or?

No.

If

you're a member there, you don't pay for court time.

Okay.

If you are not a member and there are two level there are several levels of membership.

Okay.

But if you are not a resident of Village Of Wellington, there's a fee that you pay. If you are a Village Of Wellington resident, there's another a different fee that you pay. So it is a difference between people who live in Wellington, that they pay a certain amount, and people who don't. You can also grant court time by just going in and paying it. But if you're a member of the club, then that's a different fee.

And you become a member just by writing a check or

Yes.

Okay. So kind of like this where there's no vetting, there's no application process Yes. Is.

You have to give your address and they check.

Oh, No. What I meant was you don't say this person's a lousy tennis player. They can't play.

No. They but just just like the the senior club, they vet to make sure you are a resident before you get the resident fee to join for the year or like But they don't, when you pay for a court, if I go over to play tomorrow, I'll pay the same amount that a 25 year old. They don't do a benefit for seniors. They don't have a discount, which might be something we do want to discuss sometime. But there's an annual fee. I think there's a reduction in annual fee for seniors.

Yes, there is a reduction the cost of it if you join as a senior. It's just that there is a reduction in the cost if you join as a family. Yes. So

The main reason for the question is I'm trying to draw a corollary between membership in something that the village owns, a club, a tennis club, versus the seniors. To me,

Except it's apples and that those that the tennis facility is run by employees of the village of Wellington. And

there isn't another tennis facility. There's just this one, that's the villages. I interrupted you, Hosie.

No, you're good, you're good.

Well, think that I really have to tell you that back when the senior club was started, you were pretty much, your group was, they were, you were all trailblazers, because this village was maybe 28 to 30,000 people. Very small, mostly families. And still, someone had the initiative to say, you know what, we have seniors here, we need to do something for them. And the village wasn't at this point. The village was very young.

I mean, we were, you know, and I so I think I think the it's it's a I applaud the the senior club for what you've done in the past. And friends of mine, when I was riding, we trailed, they would rave about, we've got a ride early, we've got a senior club event to go to, we're taking a bus trip to the Hard Rock, or wherever you were going. But just raving about it, and I thought it was so nice. I'm just I wonder now, with all the events that the village has for seniors, and a dedicated team, if we can, if it's possible, and you know, these are things that don't happen overnight, but they all start with discussion and ideas, which is all this is today. That perhaps the ideas could merge together, and the senior club could morph into activities with the village, and everybody, I mean, what they're paying is nominal, because you've kept it at that.

But sooner or later, that 80 or 90,000 is going to whittle down with expenses and everything. And that might be when it needs to be addressed. Does the senior club become part of all the senior activities, and the village would have more money, whatever the expenditures are a year that are going to the senior club, are put into the village's activities, and maybe they result in some I don't know if legally the village can do bus trips to theater. I don't know. But maybe down the road that would be something, you know, that this discussion starts with your being open minded and answering our questions, and making an even better program for seniors than, you know, with the input and knowledge you have.

But, you know, a thank you to all of you for saying, I hate to say way back when, but way back when, when really, 90% of the people who lived here, 92, I think, were 30. I mean, I really feel like I felt like I was old when I moved here thirty years ago, and I don't think I was 50. I don't know, wasn't. I wasn't. We could do the math. I was an agriculture major. I was in television. We don't do math. Yeah, yeah. So, anyway.

So, thank you. And maybe this discussion can be carried on. And everybody, I think, you know, you're giving me great insight. And it's prompted me to think about all that you've done in the time when there was very little being done. For anybody in the country who was senior, to be honest. When I was a little bit

an hour of just to put this together. JULIE I imagine, especially now, I don't know how, in your different lives and I know I've talked to other people that run organizations getting volunteers is like, how did your mother raise you, you don't volunteer? It's like that's how we were raised. You've got to help others. JULIE Done a great job doing it.

It's the part of life you're supposed to do, but it's not happening now. It's impossible that I could stand in front of two fifty people and ask for help. Maybe in a year, I get two or three. But that doesn't even touch the iceberg, because that's really not enough. You always need help. And you need them to be a little educated, little computer skills, which is another. Seniors don't have a lot of that.

And I just wanted to find out, because I know how these organizations can.

I have a little difficulty

Okay, sorry. I just wanted to ask a question, because I know how a lot of organizations, as they age, as most of them do, your membership, how has your membership been affected? Has it grown?

Right now we have five zero four members.

You have five zero four members? How many have you how long has that been and how many have you increased in the past year? How many what? How many new members have you gotten in the past year or so?

It's a wash because some of them this is what happens to seniors in a club of such because we're aging. And actually, to prove that, I was in my 60s. I'm now in my 80s. That's just what happens to you. So some of them pass on.

And some of them make the decision, as they age and they become more frail, to go home. They are afraid to stay here. They want an anchor for wherever they used to live, whatever family they have left someplace else. So you lose them. So I would say we probably altogether maybe lost about 25. It's a wash. If you lose 100, you get 75.

So you are getting new members every year. That's, I think

It's kind

of yeah. Our highest point was 700 that I was around. But it became impossible. And You can't imagine what it is to take in a crowd of 300 to be or to pay for it, even. It's just huge. And you always want to maintain that, oh, we're happy to see you. We love you. And everything that makes them feel good. But it's really hard when there are so many because you can't remember their names. And it's just too much, really too much. But I think 500 isn't so bad because they don't all come. Of them Do

you have a

board, Eileen, that supports your activities and supports your work as the president, a board of volunteers?

Yeah. We have about six or seven people right now.

So my other question is, if you generate $15,000 a year in dues, And if you are I mean, can you change your structure of paying for events and be self sustaining without additional funding from the village if you truly feel like the club wants to stay in existence into the future, and that's possible. I assume that maybe the club can pay for less of the ticket price for each of these trips, the residents pay for more. And you can be self sustaining if that revenue stream from the village does not continue. Or I guess another option is that there's just complete working together, and you get to utilize the staff and the expertise of the village to help with those events. So I mean, would either of those options be workable?

I hate to make an opinion by myself.

Okay. I

But there's always the but. But the beginning of your statement was relative to how do you control your money in Yes. A Okay. How do I control my money? It's interesting because the casino trips that were mentioned are my least expense because we charge very little. I charge very little because I can't make money. I have to spend money. That is my job, is to spend money. So those gambling tips, I keep them at $10 unless the bus company is going to charge me a lot more. There is no big expenditure.

That trip cost me $500 And people are like, yay, I'm so happy. It's just that's the way they are. They're really, really happy about going. Well, we have a gentleman who's 93 and runs C strips. And if he puts a couple of them in, when I say to you 9, if four of them are his, guess what? I'm like 5. That's all I have to do when I can spend this money on those expensive things that you can't do. So you have to balance some of those inexpensive things that also make people happy. Just so you can pay for the food at the lunch, which is getting bigger and bigger. So

that's how you do that.

I have a question for Jennifer. From a financial perspective, would it be beneficial, because we're already potentially subsidizing this group, to bring it under the heading of the Village of Wellington, changing their charter to be a nonprofit organization and working under the heading of Village of Wellington senior something. And that way they would get more assistance with their activities. We wouldn't do a duplication of activities. If indeed they did need assistance, they could get it from the staff of Village of Wellington.

And they could also be a part of the budget, and a concern, so that you wouldn't have any issues with what's in their budget and what they can't. You know, they would have to present a budget every year based on the activities that they want to do. And they seem they have a record of what they do and what they spend. So it wouldn't be too difficult for you guys to bring them under the umbrella of the village of Wellington.

Yeah. I mean, I think that I mean, we obviously want to support the seniors. And so we'll do whatever is best. And we want to make sure that, you know, in return, we're providing the same type of service, and we're offering, you know, the same type of programs and events and all of that. I don't know without looking at it if I'd be able to be, you know, a 100% on that.

But, you know, Village is always gonna support our seniors, and we always wanna make sure that, you know, they have everything that they need. And whether that be, you know, the congregate meal site or, bingo on Wednesdays at Kyle and Gusto, you know, we wanna make sure that everything makes sense for our senior population as well. So, you know, that's why we've increased the offerings to the point where, you know, the community center is completely full Monday through Friday, eight to two all day long. So I don't know that I'd be able to answer that without really looking at it.

You know, as we're looking at your events, I mean, you have a big event every month. I'm assuming you guys coordinate dates when you do your nine events a year. So It's that there's no

It's a set,

Right. Third week of the month. But you coordinate with Jennifer so you're not offering the same thing or the same something on the same week or whatever, correct? So I mean, mostly, because I know you do lunches, so it really would be maybe offering some of the field trips. And about how many field trips, Eileen, do you think you offer in a calendar year?

Well, I'd say nine, ten.

Oh, so a field trip is any luncheon. Is that what you mean? No. Oh, it's separate from a luncheon? Yeah. So you do nine luncheons plus nine or 10 field trips.

Yes.

So every month almost you're doing a luncheon and a field trip?

Yes.

And how does that that's a lot. Because then you're doing all of those.

And we do twelve's. We do one every month.

You do one every month. Yes. Okay.

And we actually do two in October, because we do the health fair and we do the Halloween party. Okay.

So is it overwhelm I mean, that seems overwhelming. I mean, I'm an activities director my whole life, and I couldn't imagine doing two big events every month for 500 people.

I don't do her events. She doesn't do my events.

No, that's what I'm talking to you. Overwhelming to think about doing 18 big events a year for 500 people. And that's what I did for a living. So I mean, that's a lot.

JULIE It

is a lot. You know what? You get used to anything. You really do. And if that's within your job or when you accept that money because I'm a leader, when I accept money from you, my thought immediately structure is following that rule, every bit of it, to the end of the to do if I have to do it myself, if you know what I mean.

That's just, to me, is part of leadership. If your team fails you, you've got to do something and balance it back out again. My team doesn't usually fail me. I'm missing pieces. This is the truth.

If you weren't contractually held to nine events and how many field trips, and the village picked up the slack by offering some of these additional field trips, because they already do a lot of luncheons, I mean, is that a help? I mean, we surely don't want to feel like you are really being restrained or not restrained, but under the pressure of what is contractual for your activities. So trying to see what's a good path for the future where it can be supportive of the club, and yet there can be collaborative work done. And, you know, that it's good for everybody. Because it seems to be a lot on you and your board to be doing.

And there is a sense that it's a little uncomfortable to have this separate entity receiving government funding. So it, like, kind of see how can we move in a way that we're still providing all the services that seniors want, but it's under the umbrella of the municipality run by employees. Again, Run that's by a employees? State. GREGORY Yeah.

Government employees. If you're using public funds, it appears that there needs to be oversight. And that's because you have government employees, you know, managing that money. So that was but I think there's a win win here. And I don't know, I'm dominating this, so please feel

free I think we're

to kind of monopolizing.

Sorry. I just have one question. Is there a lot of crossover from your club members doing the activities that the village offers. So do you have crossover there? You have your luncheon and your activity a month, and then those same people come and attend the activity that the village offers to everyone.

What is it like? It's like coming into a house. You use some of the rooms, some of the tones. The only thing that we duplicate is lunch. The village lunches are around the holiday of the month. And they specialize in that. And they celebrate that. And for example, Friendsgiving. Their whole thing is giving. And so the same people that come to my lunch go to her lunch.

And yay, they're so happy to have. They dance at her lunch. They don't dance at mine. They listen. They listen to whatever we've hired, whether it's King's Academy or some group coming. That's kind of what they do. It's a little bit more quiet. There's a dancing and celebrating. That's what I would say as a picture. But our lunch is just a routine gathering. It doesn't celebrate, except by food, the holiday, where Jennifer does celebrate the holiday. And Kyle. Sorry, Kyle.

So with that, in terms of the calendar year, it looks like providing lunches more than once a month is a critical thing. I know we have breakfast for our seniors. Your club is providing a lunch outing, and so is the village doing the same thing. So there's some benefit in providing two lunches every month, I suppose. If there's the same people who are going to both, then Sure. There's

And plus, it has more people that don't, people that are changers to me that come from other communities. Because if you're going to hear that there's a lunch and a celebration and dancing and music, you're going to go.

Yeah, you're going to go to the party. Go to go to wars Because and then go to

don't have a big offering in life at that point. And keeping busy and celebrating something, anything, is wonderful.

JACKIE Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. But you guys do a little bit more field trip stuff than the village does. You do the casino trips and some other the theater and those kinds of things. And I'm not sure what the village has to offer in that in that realm?

So we've never done field trips just because the senior club has done them, but we actually do have a bus. And Gus is in the audience. Mhmm. Gus drives the bus. I like Gus. Just letting everybody know.

Great.

So we actually utilize the bus for the kids right now, but we do have a bus. Great.

Wow. I've seen the bus. The bus is great.

Yeah.

I have just one other question too. So you have about 500

and members.

About how many people how many members? I know you don't have membership, but up on an average, what's your

participation? Attendance. Yeah. So yesterday, we just had friendsgiving, and we had over 300 people come.

Okay. So it's the same, about the same amount. A little bit more.

Yeah. Yeah. So, Jennifer, I'm sorry. So you helping her to coordinate activity when you said 300 people when you said Friendsgiving?

No, that's our event.

That's your event.

I'm But

just to clarify, so when the senior club does host their event at our facility, we do the setup. We do staff. Kyle helps out with getting the water, the drinks, all of that. And of course, we always help them. We're going to be in there helping them because, you know, we're not going to not be in there helping everybody and make sure the event goes smoothly as well.

Going back again, I'm sorry. So, you guys helping them to set it up and to providing service to the club?

Yes. So our maintenance department does set up for their events, and then Kyle does coordinate as far as, you know, the beverages and all of that. So and then, of course, we're in there because Rick, which is on my staff, he's always in there for the entertainment piece. So he always assures that it goes smoothly for them as well, too.

That's great. That's a great opportunity for the senior for the Wellington. It does. Because you get support from the village of Wellington, not only financially, not this past year, but you get support from them when you go into their rental spaces. Where technically, if an outsider rented that space, they would not have the advantages that you've been given freely because we want to support you.

So that's where it becomes, Okay, so there's some clubs that get those activities and the room space for free because we're supporting those clubs. Whereas somebody, even a Wellington resident who came in to rent that space would have to pay the full price and would not get the amenities that you're allotted. So that's where, you know, you're like the big sister, baby sister. We want to take care of you. And so we give you opportunities to use this facility and support you while you're here.

Whereas someone else who technically could be a Village Of Wellington person just walking in won't get that because they're not the Wellington Seniors Club. But we want to make sure that our seniors are taken care of, which is why we're all up here. We just want to make sure that it is under the umbrella of Village of Wellington and everything being equal.

Okay. I guess it

JULIET go ahead. Go ahead. I'm sorry, Elaine. Go ahead.

JULIET was

just going to say, in addition to because you seem to be surprised that it wasn't just like the lunches because we have these trips. But we also have insurance policies that we have to pay when we go to just to be at the village, we have to carry insurance. Well, comes out of this fund also. And when we go to Equestrian, they are good to us. And they have three lunches a year that's three trips, by the way that we have to provide insurance for them.

And I guess what I have, a post office box. I have taxes to pay. There are a couple of thousand dollars that get spent in that direction as well as part of what do we have to do with our money.

Yeah. That's a lot. It is a lot.

And publish a paper. Newsletter.

Yes. To me, that

kind of folds into

That's in the contract that we have the paper.

Kind of folds into what I was thinking before. If your organization goes away and we want to maintain the same level of service for seniors, that's going to be on you guys. Right? Everything that they do, you will now have to do. Do you have enough staff to do that?

I have 25 staff.

Okay.

And if you're

lucky, could fit it in.

Yeah. That's, I guess, the bottom line here is that we started thirty years ago without any infrastructure at the village level. Now we have that. So it just, to me, makes not even more sense, but there's no presence of any impropriety that public funds are being spent for a club that is requiring dues from its members and generating funds from what the village has gotten. Plus, we have built a huge infrastructure to support seniors.

So your expertise as, you know, a volunteer advisor on senior activities, I mean, you should be here with us. Because that expertise from all those years to, you know, doing your activities could be of great help. So rather than trying to coordinate whoops, excuse me, I'm going do a luncheon here, you do that I mean, why not it be under the same umbrella? And that will also help you with your needs for volunteers and everything else. Take a little stress off of.

So it seems like it's the way to move into the future. But, you know, it's just a recommendation as an outsider looking in.

Yes, agree. And I think that it would, you know, I think it would help. I think that because you have your pulse on over 500 people and their needs, just that and being able to work with the village of Wellington so that we don't duplicate services, And also that you can bring what you know as far as working with a group of people and all the things that you provide behind the scenes to your group. If we could have the groups work together, then you wouldn't have the paperwork, if nothing else, the budget restraints. You probably wouldn't have to spend money on insurances, etcetera, because you would be under the umbrella of the village of Wellington.

And when the Wellington club for seniors did any activity under the village, they would probably come under a different tax exempt status as a five zero one(three) or some other one. So you would get more benefits bringing your club under the umbrella of the village of Wellington Corporation, is what I'm thinking. That's certainly a decision that you would have to take back to your board and to your members. And it would certainly be something that the village of Wellington would have to investigate on the I other

think we're going to have a choice. It doesn't sound like that.

Well, you have money right now in your coffers as far as

You have perfect irony. I have to tell you, this is perfect irony because when I came in the club, there was a savings account. So you're talking over fifteen GREGORY years. And it was this. This is just the message that I got. Don't touch this. This is for the day when Wellington doesn't want to help you anymore. This is so with class that you can go out, not in like a big event, but in another year, to have enough money to run for a year or two. Well, this is the second year of that money. And this is what's happening right now.

That money is going, going, as I said.

I don't know that it's going to completely disappear. I'm not sure if that was the decision made by the village to not fund you in the future.

I don't know what that It's kind of gray.

Well, think it's, to be clear and I really think we ought to the conversations, I But believe, might be going a little I don't think, saying Wellington doesn't want you anymore, or whatever, I don't want to put words in your mouth, but I don't think it's that. I think it's how can we make it, can we, can we do something with these two groups and make it even better for seniors? What's the Oh, best that's way to good. Get It's not that you're not wanted. It's not that the club isn't wanted.

But other things have happened, you know, through the years, that maybe we can take the two organizations, put it you know, you wouldn't have liability concerns. You wouldn't have to worry about, you know, or whoever is in charge of the club. And it would fall into the staff of the village. Yes. And it makes, it could make it better for every, and what happened, you know, it would be looked at as what would be better if this happens. X, Y, Z, you know, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven. What will not be better if this happens? Oh, well actually, there's really not that much that wouldn't be better. We're going to do more lunches. We might have a few more breakfasts, a few more trips, another bus is added with another gust driving, you know, type thing.

And there'd be a lot maybe there's more pluses than minuses by moving in another direction. But if we don't start talking about it, and it's certainly, again, it's not the village is saying, oh, we, you know, it's not that we I certainly don't want anybody in the club thinking the village or the members of the advisory committee don't want this group. We are interested in I'll speak for me, but I think I can speak for the club. We are interested in what can we do to make it even better for seniors in Wellington, and is there a way to take money that's being given to this club and put it into the coffers have the village and Jennifer's staff use it to fund more programs? Is that a possibility?

So, that's where we're thinking. That's where I'm thinking down the road, And that's how the conversation was initiated. And everybody was quite interested to see if that's a possibility. But we're going on like almost an hour of discussing this. So, I'm thinking maybe you're weary of it. And I think we might be getting a little redundant anyway.

I just want to summarize what I hear from here and from here. The senior clubs receives $56,200 a year. Last year you didn't this year you didn't get it. But also, staff from Wellington is providing services to you while you're charging fees, dues. So, that's something really when I hear that, it just threw me off.

I was summarizing what I hear. I'm trying to understand this. Now, the recommendation, the staff right here, members right here for the Seniors Advisory Committee, they're suggesting, that's what I hear, that we should move that funding to city of Wellington so they can provide another services, no duplication of the service we already have right now. I'm summarizing what I have right now. So, that's where, you know, I recommend to you keep your club because the club is great.

You guys been doing this for so many thirty years, you say, 1993? So, at this point, you've you've been doing great. But it's not up to me. It's up to the members right here. They have to make a vote. Because we can go forever right here talking about this and this and this. And that, you know, we had to make a decision, you know. They had to decide right here what is going to be the future of that money. I know Jennifer brought this to us. We hear the questions from the board. And I'm just trying to I'm just learning from everybody here. Probably the youngest one in this group. And I love to be here. But I also want to be part of this. I want to be part of a better Wellington City.

I want to be part of your group too one day because I hear it's 55 plus. Jennifer said last meeting was 65. Now, it's 55. So, now I hear from you it's 55. So, think so it's great. My recommendation to you would be keep your club because I think so you're doing something great and people stay with you. You got 500 people enrolled with you to maintain that number. It's not easy. I really take my heart out from me. And, I really appreciate the work you do because just to be here takes time from us and energy.

You had to be make changes in my life to be here. You do every month. So I don't know. It's part of the boards right here. We need to decide what are you going to do because we cannot bring these people right here and just talk about this over and over.

We're not going decide anything. We're going to decide whether we make a recommendation to the Bill.

Right, right, right.

So I will say this. I've been here twenty four years. I've never heard a human cry anything negative about the club. Proof of that, I think, is when we first brought this up, I think it was our spring meeting, nobody even knew the club existed on this committee. Mhmm. So I think that proves that there is no hue and cry out there for people to say, disband it, move it over to the village. I like Jose's recommendation, keep the club as it is now, take what we talked about this afternoon into consideration as the money starts winding down. You've got to spend that money anyway. Let's spend it the way you've been spending it over the years. You're doing a heck of a job.

One of my other concerns is if if it moves over to the city, to the village, you'll lose a lot of volunteers. A lot of people don't like to work with with the government. They'd rather work with a private organization. The other thing is too, it puts a little more stress on your staff. You've got 25 people. I get it. We want to keep them busy. But to me, it's kind of like under the old saw of if it's not broke, don't fix it.

There is one caveat that in the contract right now, it still states that if the balance falls below $50,000 then the village continues to fund the activity. So that's where that's the rub. Do we move? Do we continue as it has happened? Or do we look at recommending a way where those funds can be kept under the village's auspices and then the senior club works with the village staff to continue services without the subsidy of the city funds.

And I know you generate $15,000 a year, I know, in dues, and I know that won't go far for long, but there may be some restructuring you can do in your fees. But anyway, I think that's the big thing. At that time when the contract is up, that's how it reads now. So do we have any recommendations regarding changing that?

And just to clarify, the agreement is up in September 2026. So I just want to make everybody aware of that as well. Seems like far away, but it'll be here before we go.

In less than a year. So we revisit the entire contract in less than a year. Correct. And at that point, the village could say, what would happen to any money left in the from the village in the treasury of the senior club?

So we've already budgeted it. Like we discussed with Eileen, we do have it, you know, but we haven't obviously given any of that money until they are below that $50,000 threshold.

Will they be below will you be below $50,000 by September '26?

We'll be down that low before there. Before September '26? Oh, yes. Is

We have to go

no, I'm just the okay. So if that's if it's below if it's below 50, so then, even any time next year, before September, and the contract is up, the club could come to the village and say, we need our $56,000

No. So the way that it'll work is they have to give us their expenditures. And then based on their expenditures, we would reimburse them if they're below that $50,000 We will not give them the entire amount of the money all at once.

And then in September '26, the village, there could be a recommendation from the advisory committee or discussion to merge the senior club with the village and terminate the, and merge it with the senior activities within the village.

Correct. Whatever the recommendation would be.

Or they could carry on on their own without submitting expenditures. Correct.

So I will ask the board right now. We have to make a decision right now at this point. What is our recommendation?

I don't know that we have to make a decision right now.

When do we meet again? In December?

We doing a December meeting?

So I think we said we'd do the November meeting, and then we would skip December because everybody said for Okay. The holidays. So December, January. So technically it would be March, unless you guys wanted to meet prior to that.

February maybe?

I mean,

if we want to discuss this, yeah. Okay. I think in general, quarterly meetings, it takes so long for us to get up again and know what we were talking about last time that if we could meet earlier, maybe

Do we want to meet in January?

I could meet in January.

Yeah. Actually, January would can be check good.

The date and see. But we'll try to stick with the usual 04:00 the second Thursday. Okay.

Now you mentioned that you'll probably have run below that gotten to below that 50 before September.

Oh, definitely.

So do you have any idea, moving into the new year, how much you know, when you will get to that threshold? Will it be January, February, March?

I just know I'm going to be watching it very close because the way it's structured now, I have to get to the 50. Then I have to apply. Then I have to wait for approval. Click, click, day, day, day, day. You see what I'm saying?

So

that's why, actually, they originally said 25. I go, I can't function on 25. I can't. It gets too close to the zero mark. It's not feeding a family. It's dealing with a group of people and answering to them and for them. So I would say probably a good guess would probably be by May. By May.

And that would be the last luncheon.

A lot of things I've already purchased in advance, like theater tickets. Have to get really good ones, six months at least. Some bus contracts I did in advance as soon as I got a date to make sure that I have the bus like that. And I have a restaurant that he just loves me, so he does anything.

Based on your statement, you say before you had a balance about 80,000 to $90,000 So you calculate in six months you're going to spend $30,000 or $40,000

Yeah. Your insurance is due. There's a lot of

contract I'm getting an idea because I know you it seems like you manage it very well, but it's a chunk of money.

I think it'll be I'll be requesting it by about that time.

You mentioned something about restaurants and having you have a lot of relationships with people in the community that really would be a great benefit to our senior program. And like I said, I mean, this is where I feel like working together, rather than just trying to make sure your calendars don't conflict, would be a big benefit for the whole community, and especially the senior community, to utilize what you have, you know, generated through these relationships over the years. And of course, you're following with all of 500 members. So I just feel like we should bring all of that energy together and those resources together for the betterment of the village.

I don't think Jennifer needs me to I really don't, because Jennifer is very efficient and very good at her job. A blend is not as easy as you think, because Jennifer is a leader leader. And it's very hard for leader leaders to work with leader leaders.

I think Jennifer can do about anything, with Kyle there

and this

crew and Ian.

You know why? It's just that they're such separate entities in a way. We each have our own structures. I think it would take a lot of work to do this, to do this blend really well. It's not I'm not up for it. I'm up

for it.

But I'm thinking of, wow, another big job.

Well, we're up for you joining us on this end. I mean, because again, you're bringing a wealth of experience. And our job here is just to provide the best we can for our seniors.

You get a wealth of experience because you care. And there's something about seniors that just I don't know. That does it more for me than babies. It does because I think they need it more.

I just want to share this with you. You are a trooper. I see so many members passing by my friend right here on the side. Mabel? Mary? Roxanne. No, not Roxanne. I'm sorry. Mary Kersner. She and I, we've been here for almost eighteen years now. We see so many members passing by right here from this board and be here one year, two years, and they're gone. And you're like like me. We we hold in the fort and I really like it. And I like you said, you know, we have to I'm follow the

kind of amazed that nobody here is a member of the senior club. I am. And here you're all on the advisory board.

Well, because of all the activities the village does. Yeah. We would participate in them.

Mhmm. But it is just a senior adviser report, and he didn't know about the senior club.

I think some of us did.

Yeah. Yeah. I knew I knew about the senior club.

But this tells you about that.

It

I mentioned this the last meeting. It exists by resolution. We can advise advise perhaps voice and not try to speak loud. But the point being, in effect, we advise Jennifer, you've got to understand the chain of command here. We don't make recommendations except to have Jennifer check things out for us and go to the Council.

I was wondering, is it just because this snippet of information came out that they have the senior club has a savings account that had $80,000 in it. And it was like, yes, not duplicating the things that Jennifer's doing, but that senior club Eileen is correct. People go there to just chitchat with their friends. It's not as to be entertained, your point was very well taken. The senior club, except for some certain events, they don't dance unless the entertainment pulls you on the stage.

And it is, there is a dichotomy, truly is, that I agree with the point Rich said before. It's a club without the stigma of being a private club. However, it has an age limit. There's a degree of discrimination to be in that club that could count as it. It's not totally funded.

Again, I pulled out the resolution. I went back and I looked up in the municipal logs what's the paper what's the detail that Eileen in this case must follow? Which Jennifer's been saying all along, well, they have to do x amount of meetings, x amount of club dates. I'd be curious. I mean, if you had to come up for a vote now, I'd be against it because you don't know.

You only have Aileen here today. I suggest you go to some of her activities. You will find our Palm Beach County aura of having a club speaks volumes, but we're not Mar A Lago, you know? And it's just blowing my mind when, Rich, I wasn't at that meeting that you first went to because I just pulled out my membership card and I thought, except obviously they're all younger than 55. I have no doubt.

But those of us who aren't, I mean, well, I promised I wasn't going to say anything, but I broke my promise. But I lean, I've seen Eileen from my first senior club meeting. And I mean, Yelmet, she does fantastic work. I'm thanking the organization, Jennifer, if you are busy now, you would need more workers that would just gobble up that little $55,000 and you would have yet more on your shoulders. However, I'm sorry.

I wasn't going to talk, but love you all.

Moving to the next I don't know if anybody has any more questions, any concerns.

So we

can move to the Thank

you, Eileen.

Thank you, Eileen. Eileen, thank you.

Thank you. You're doing great work. Very good work. I'm sorry. I said you're doing a great job. Doing a really, really good Thank

you.

Thank you for coming.

Yes, thanks. We're done done.

Eileen, my wife has your phone number. I'll call you to see if you need some help doing some things.

Are you gonna come to the dance?

I believe we are. I'm not sure.

I hope so.

I'm gonna go with my social ahead secretary.

Like a 100 people haven't signed up.

you. Moving on to the next staff update.

Yes. So from our end, our freebie program is going excellent. And it was approved by council that we are now gonna have a third car. So we're very excited.

Good.

The transportation has done excellent as far as transporting our seniors, especially to our community center for our programs and services, but also, you know, taking them to Publix to get their groceries or, you know, doing a car ride with their friend to attend a luncheon or any of those sorts. So we're very excited that that will be occurring. The new car will probably not be in service until later part of December, but it was approved, so we're very excited about that.

The hours changed?

December this year?

Yes. That's Have the hours changed at all?

No. The hours haven't changed at this point in time. And then also, you know, we just had our Friendsgiving. So we did have 300 people in attendance where we celebrated Thanksgiving with them. A lot of them, you know, don't have families that are down here or maybe not able to make it. So we do celebrate that. And then we have our holiday party, which is coming up in December, and it is December 9. So we're very excited to host that, and that's usually one of our larger attended events. And another update, Kyle and I had the opportunity to do our podcast with Mr. Barnes.

So if you haven't had an opportunity to check it out, it does tell you about all of our programs and services that the village does offer for our seniors throughout the community. And and we're very excited about the opportunity because we have gotten a lot of really good feedback from our seniors that have listened to it and actually even maybe learned some new information as well. So we're very excited about that. And then I know that Kyle had some updates that he also wanted to provide.

Yeah. And just to add on to the our senior special events that we were doing for Halloween last month, we had about two seventy five. It was, I think, one of our best ones yet. We had so many costumes. It was amazing. Everyone had a great time. And then we also have our technology classes that we've been continuously doing. Just this month alone, it's capped at 15 because it's just a one instructor, but we have both full classes and a waiting list on the for the second class. Our congregate meal site has been continuously staying very busy. This morning, serving breakfast, I think we had about 12 in there.

And then, so it's been nonstop. And then we've had six lunch and learns in the month of November. Today, we actually had a breakfast and learn and a lunch and learn. So they just as long as they didn't mind waiting an hour, they were able to get breakfast and do some brain games, wait an hour, and then do lunch with the topic was, heart disease.

And then just to mention with those lunch and learns, so the village does not pay anything for those. That is sponsored by the company that comes in. So I know we're talking about lunches, so that's another opportunity for them to also get breakfast and lunch, like he had mentioned, six times in the month.

And today we actually had, if they really wanted to, they could have had congregate breakfast, bagels and brainpower, lunch and learn, and our congregate lunch. Good. So we made sure no one were left hungry today.

You're feeding our seniors.

Yes, feeding them. Every day.

Absolutely. And then just to continue on, we also are still doing our monthly We also have Music Bingo and a Name That Tune that another one of our sponsors comes in. And she also does Lunch and Learns, but just also once a month, she switches back and forth between doing a music bingo and the name that tune just because the brain games are getting more and more popular and the seniors really seem to love it. And then Jen already touched on freebie, And then that would, I think, wrap it up what I have.

Yeah. Okay.

Wow. Thank you. Any questions?

And then one other thing I would like to make an announcement. So we are going to be celebrating our thirtieth anniversary for the village of Wellington. Mhmm. So you guys have the flyer, I believe, that's attached to your packet. We'll be celebrating that at the Wellington Amphitheater on January 2 from 5PM to 10PM. It is going to be a party like no other. We are very excited to host it. We're going have an ice skating rink, fireworks, carnival rides, a ferris wheel. You name it, we're going to do it. We're very excited to celebrate our thirty year anniversary. So we hope everyone can join us at that event. And we will be also having our three tribute bands, which will be in attendance. So we're very excited about the event and to celebrate with the community.

Any questions? Comments? Thirty years. Wow. Crazy. We're going now to the old business now.

Mr. President, quick question. Your lunches and your breakfast, part of the by the county.

Right? Yeah. So it's funded by the county. We don't pay for it.

You're not Mhmm. So you're not necessarily just feeding Wellington people.

No. We feed Wellington, Royal Palm, Green Acres. But, usually, what we found is that most of the people go to like, their residents of Royal Palm, they go to the one in Royal Palm. If they're in Wellington, they come to Wellington. We don't really have a whole lot of people that are from a different location, I would say.

Yeah. It's just a few that

So I just wanted the board to know, well, this is not coming out of your senior budget. Correct. Okay.

So, and just to clarify on that as well. So Kyle and I work really hard to assure that our programs that we operate and serve to our community are free for our seniors. We find that very important. And that is all funded through sponsorship dollars that we receive. You know, we work with Wellington Regional Medical Center. We work with Wellington Bay. We've worked with Conviva Health Care. So we bring in usually about $25,000 in sponsorship dollars for our senior programs. Nice. And, you know, for instance, our bingo program that we do three times out of the month, we pay $0 for it.

So we used to pay, but now we're actually getting sponsorships through the roof to help us pay for that. They bring in donuts, they bring in coffee. The gift cards that they get are sponsored by Humana. So they're a really good partner of ours. So we really do strive really hard to make sure that we are providing free services as much as we possibly can, because, you know, we don't want a senior to choose whether they're going to, you know, have lunch or if they're going to go to an exercise class. So we really do strive to really work hard with our partnerships to make all of that happen.

So, excuse me, that brings me, leads me to a question. Why do you think seniors continue to pay the $30 for the senior club when they can get all of these activities that you offer with no charge at all? I mean, what draws them?

So I probably say most of the people that continue to pay the $30 have been members for a really long time. You know, they're acquainted to the club. You know, they've been a part of it for a long time. But, to answer the question whether everything overlaps, it really does. I mean, we with our special events, I think we ran the numbers just on one event, and I think we had, like, 80%. Was it 80 per what was the number? Sorry.

Believe it was it was, like, 80 to 20 for the resident, nonresident.

Yeah. So we are having more residents than anything. But, you know, if you go to our Wellington Amphitheater, you know, we have more Wellington residents than we have anybody, but Mhmm. We draw a lot of people because we do so many events at our amphitheater. So, and not other municipalities do as much as we do. So I think that that's something to note too. Why we do have, you know, people coming that may not be a resident. But that's why the village has, you know, programs in place for residents and nonresidents. And the nonresidents do have to pay a nominal fee more than the residents do as well. So I just want to point that out as well, too.

So that might be a question we can ask and maybe get some clarification. Why do you continue to pay for the $30 What draws you to make you want to be a part of this when all of this is offered to you free? So that might give us some reason as to why. And I don't want to bring that all up again, but that just might be something to ask, we can get some more conclusion answers to that.

I think it could also be another it's another, like, additional social opportunity. So that I'd but again, we can definitely circle back to that. Well,

they only charge $30 because they've gotten the Village Of Wellington subsidy. There's no way they could provide the amount of activities and at the low cost they didn't get that funding. So it would be maybe $100 or they would have to change their fee structure rather than covering 75% of the ticket price to go to this luncheon, they may only cover 50%. And that was kind of, I didn't want to get into the nickeling and diming, but maybe they would need to look at charging more so that they're not using. Because truly, a year ago there was $150,000 1 and 40,000

100 in their and Yes. Thousand dollars

So that is a lot of money to go through. And it just so that's just, you know,

Yeah. One And thing just to to think clarify, too. So I was at their board meeting. They have not deposited their member fees yet either. So that will occur 01/31/2026. So that will be deposited as well.

I see.

Yeah. I know we keep circling back to that. But it's like if they wanted to become a true club, they would have to be self sustaining. Right now, they're getting subsidies from the village of Wellington. Subsidies it's not just the money and how much money they have.

It's also what they are privy to, like the extra services and extra consideration for the village of Wellington. And also that we are doing a lot of the same things. So it's not just how much money they have, it's how much money potentially they could get from us to do the same thing. Understood. It's not like personally, I like the whole senior club, just the whole, you know, everything around it, the whole idea of it and what they do under that title. It's just that if a senior club is truly a senior club, then they are separate from the village of Wellington, then they should be self sustaining without village funds.

Understood. Understood.

That's just me.

If we're gonna provide the same services, somebody's gonna pay for it. So eventually, the village is gonna pay.

Yeah. Right?

Yeah. But

but that's under the I

mean, it's not gonna save a dime. That's all I'm No. But

there will be some accountability from people who are employed by the Village.

Oh, I think there is accountability, right? I mean, you you work with them and they have an audit every year, right? I mean, there is

Yes. So when we were giving them expenditures, we would, on a quarterly basis. So we're reviewing their finances, and that's because they have to submit to us in order for us to reimburse them for their expenses.

Right. But if they truly had to be I mean, they could tighten their belts by they're very generous to their members because they have a cash flow coming in. I mean, that's all there's I mean, and that's wonderful, and that's a great thing. But there's duplicity in the services. Thank you for bringing them in because we've all been educated.

Yes, absolutely.

Any more questions or concerns so we can move on to the old business?

I'm sorry. I thought you're on old business already.

We're done with our new business now. We can move on to the old business.

We went from old business? Are we now anybody have anything for old business? Because then we're going to new business.

Yes. Old I have a cross between old and new. Okay.

We can go to new then.

About two to three meetings ago, we had thrown the idea out of a senior golf tournament. It's going to happen. Kyle and I visited a couple of weeks ago with the owner of Wellington National Golf Club, which is a private club in town. It used to be Banks Forest. He is willing to host our hopefully first annual senior golf outing.

It will be on April 20. I'll be working with Kyle on specifics, how to get registration forms out into the public's hands. We'll work with the town crier, etcetera. It just I've I've been here twenty five years and it it always struck me funny that in the heart of the golf capital of the world, we didn't have a golf tournament. So we're gonna have one. We're gonna work out the particulars, what kind of format, whether it'll be a luncheon, a breakfast, probably more towards lunch. It'll be one fee. People will pay for their carts, greens fees and their lunch. It'll be fully inclusive. We won't ask the village for a dime.

And we're expecting a final price from Wellington shortly. We've kind of made it known to him that it is a senior event. So we don't want a $200 a head fee. I think he understands that. So that's something we're looking forward to and adding to the calendar.

Just one suggestion. I'm a golfer. And and I bring this up only because it's happened. Just make sure you include ladies in terms of prizes. Because I've played in a golf tournament, a big golf tournament, and there was no prize for women who are closest to the pen, longest drive, all those things that we do for golfers. They just said, oh.

Yeah. I think what's what's

gonna happen

is based on the recommendation of the owner, it's gonna be what they call a scramble.

Scramble format.

So in essence, women golfers, whether they're in their own foursome or whether they join a foursome with men, prizes will be available for everybody.

Thank you. I'll play.

Assuming it's priced low enough to where we can add something in on top four prizes because the village can't contribute anything to a prize fund. Right?

No. But we can get sponsors.

Sponsors surely

You You just heard the sponsors pitch over here. Absolutely.

Yeah. It's a senior event. Just a question. Is it a it's a senior event, but if Joe is alone, but his son wants to go with him who is not a senior, is it is that person not eligible?

Can We've you use been talking about that in just the initial discussion, and we haven't made a decision on it.

Just curious.

I've played in senior events before. I know I don't look that old. But have played in senior events before where they do limit it to seniors. Some they don't. So it's something we'll discuss. Mhmm. Scramble's a little different. You don't have to have a foursome. You can be hooked up with somebody else. Mhmm. Mhmm. Yeah. It's more of a we're not gonna call it a tournament. We're gonna call it an outing, I think.

Yeah. Yeah. That's nice.

Just because we don't wanna make it have that that Yeah. You know, I'm after you Right.

Kind of vibe.

We don't wanna scare anyone off. Yeah.

Need to have

some of the golf everyone.

Yeah. Some of the tournaments would

say there will be a a limit to the number of people we can have. So we won't know that limit until we talk with the owner some more. But we will, both in media and on the registration form, you say that please get your entry in quickly so we know how many we have, And we'll create a waiting list once we hit that quota.

Don't they do scramble and best ball to keep it moving?

It it a scramble is basically kind of a best ball.

It's ball encompassing. Yeah.

Everybody hits a shot. You pick the best shot up. The other three balls get

Right.

Brought to that shot, and you continue. It's the fastest format, Carol. Mhmm.

Yeah. Then start on all the the holes. I think Wellington National can comfortably accommodate, what, 25 to 30 foursomes?

We're looking at possibly what they call a double shotgun.

Oh, great.

It could be upwards of like 48.

Yeah, for sure if you do that.

Now, when you do that, you add at least a half an hour to the round. So, thankfully, most seniors don't have to go to work So, that but that's just a consideration. We initially thought, you know, maybe just, 72 people, which would mean one group per whole. But we may be we may get more popular. We'll we'll see what happens once we start

the race. That's the goal.

That's the goal.

Thank you. Roxanne had a point, you know, when when she said about age, you know, when you're talking about seniors, what age do you consider to be in that tournament? You know? What is the minimum age?

Well, I think we would go by what the village considers seniors, which I believe is 55.

55? Yeah.

55. Okay. So it's going be in the flyer. Yeah.

Yeah. Great. Great. Wow.

That's cool. I would like to just give a little shout out. If they need practice prior to the tournament, the Boys and Girls Club will host is hosting a golf tournament at that same venue. I think it's about the first or second weekend in January. So we'd love to have the support if you just need Do some

you know what their charge is?

I don't know off the top of my head, but I can definitely let you know what that is.

Okay.

And again, it's for the Boys and Girls Club

if they do it.

Practice. Any public comments?

Probably not.

Okay. Board comments?

Any Board comments? Any?

Motion to adjourn.

Anybody want to take them?

You want to stay? I'll second. Girl.

All in favor? Aye.

Thanks everybody.

Thank you.