Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

City of Myrtle Beach Planning Commission meeting. Uh we welcome you here in the new year. Thank you for being here. Uh we're going to start by uh taking the roll call. Waited as long as I could, but uh Sharon here. Joe here. Austin here. Danielle is uh absent. Betty here. Phil here. Zeb. Paul here.

Okay. Thank you everyone for being here and uh going to move on to the uh December 16th approval of the minutes please. I would like to hear a motion or at least if you have any notations or thoughts about it. I'd like to go with the motion. Motion to approve. Have a motion from Sharon a second from Austin. All in favor say I. I. Okay. Moving on to the first item. Text 25-07 MU drive-thru conditions. Cameron, please.

That's a request from CF Smith Property Group LLC uh to amend section 1501RR to allow property specifically on Robert McMersonson Parkway to develop restaurants with drive-thru service with conditions. As we spoke at the workshop, this a requested change to the condition of 1501RR would read structures that ab but Robert and Gerson Parkway in quarter board is located no less than 400 ft from the closest residential property. Added into this since our last meeting, it's a little bit difficult to see here uh the whole map of the city. The two colored zones of green and blue are the mumm zones throughout the city. The blue zones are the ones that would meet this condition as a budding Robert Peg Parkway which would then also need to meet within the the criteria that 400 ft from residential property for an order box. So tried to blow it up a little bit more here. Those blue properties and I do want to mention the one furthest right the furthest up um that parcel should be labeled green. Our GIS has some limitations that that top right blue one should be green but that's just a GIS limitation. It's roughly six um zones or six mm spots throughout Robert Gres that could be uh subject to this, but those are mostly developed piece of property at this point. Um happy to answer any questions that you may have. Including your pack was also that analysis from the APA about uh drive-through conditions and how they've changed um since uh

that was very interesting read. Okay, commissioners. What questions do you have or Cameron before we go to the applicant please? Which which of the blue zones are within 400 ft of residential that would not allow for the drive through? Um any of them? Uh mostly it's the ones on the right hand side of the map that there is some residential down over that way. The majority of residential though is clustered closer to the beach away from Robert and Gris that that would be impacted by these zones. Okay. Anybody else? It's a lot of area. It's a very interesting article that you supplied without making that a boom versus a ban.

Very co related though. Well, I have questions, but if there's others that have questions, I have two or three they'd like to go first. that allow any any I don't see any raised hands. Okay. Um I think last time what was called out which was a good point that there are there's already limitations on cuts for that helps that do you know how far apart those are the curve cuts how that much help

that that section of Gryom most of Gryom is actually governed by state DOT so it's up to their discretion of where those curve cuts do exist um in our this article, it brought a couple of things. I wanted to see where we were at with it. Um one of the things it said to ensure that when a drive-thru type property was being developed, one of the things to try to ensure confidence in everyone was to make sure the site plan allowed for some expansion of the uh queue. if it is more than what we would anticipate. Um, do we have that? I try to look in our current ordinances and I was reading things, but I don't sure as understood everything about that is but do we do we have that or we just go directly by I think you said last time eight we require eight cues. I know what was stated last time.

We require eight. This is they mentioned that and is that the standard itself? There's no requirement to have it in case it got worse than prior to co it was four. We we we required stacking of four and then after CO we got it to eight but that starts from the order point not from the pickup window. So basically, you know, you may have like six additional cars from the pickup window.

I mean, from the order board to the pickup window, but we start our queuing count of eight from the order board. Okay, that's great because in this planet, they start a queue right after the drive at the drive-thru. So, this is even more greater than what they were thinking. Don't we start from the Yeah, and I'll also mention in that report provided to you, it noted that most municipalities do a standard footage, but they noticed that there's an issue between sizing of cars. Ours is a standard 19 like parking spot size is generally what we go off of for the size of cars. So, we're already maximizing for the intention that people are going to be driving big pickup trucks through that. That's how you measure which was good. That's that one example

because I was reading that I was still the Mini Cooper is 12 ft and the other the correct crew cab is 22 feet. So we're already fairly maximizing space and this order is considerable. I think these questions are validating how well we try to correct some of the issues in the past and how we really encompass even more than what they were trying to tell us. So that's good to know. Last thing I had to say is is there do we have in our code I couldn't find any penalties if we start seeing them backing up into the street because a gri you know is there any type of pen they talk about that would be through the police as far as

that would be the police department disruption driving so it could be handled as a disruption. Yeah that would be a police issue. Okay. This I mean that was that was uh talked about in this uh passive article uh about uh if there were challenges that they would put a a stop to it and go back and re-evaluate it and make the I mean it was was a lot but we only do if it's upsetting to the police. Well, I mean eventually you start looking at what the property is. Is it creating a nuisance? And then you start to find all that.

But again, I think the main point that Charlie's making that is nothing that from a zoning standpoint, we cannot say your stacking requirements are eight until we decide otherwise. Yeah,

we can't do anything like that. So let's say that the stacking requirement is eight and we say we need to get the stacking requirement up to 10. Okay. If we change the stacking requirement to 10, the other guy is still legal as an existing non-conforming with the stacking requirement of eight. Okay. So is there a reason we wouldn't have because it's difficult for as you know if you don't have a code in place and then you start getting issues with people stacking grisome to go through that process becomes very redundant where if we had a code that says you start stacking the street you can't allow that you've got to make allowances for that and have some way to address where we don't have to go through the whole

code is a minimum. Yes. Yeah. And we have we have to address a number. Yeah. When it comes to zoning, we have to address a number. We can't necessarily plan for hypotheticals in regard to that because the developer has to know what requirements he has to meet on his property moving forward for him to put the best plan in front of us. Um, so yeah, I mean, I see what you're talking about. I understand what you're talking about. I have just never seen anything like that in zoning that was after the fact. I've seen it maybe something before the fact like a special condition or special exception, but the what you just talked about, I've never seen anything like that that exist in a zone.

It's important also to keep in mind that what you're talking about is spilling off of private property into a public right ofway. Once it enters a public rightway, it is a police function at that point. They're the ones who govern that public right away. So I think they would have to just speed up their service. Speed speed up the service. Well, you could I mean could you not require a a second requirement on the property? I mean a certain number of respect. That's what we do right now. I mean right now we've already doubled it since co from four to eight and we and we measured from the order board. So there could be four additional cars between the order board and the window. So I mean you're possibly talking easily 12 to 13 cars being on that property. And if the stack I doubt very seriously that the stacking right now goes all the way to the edge of the property

because you still got your travel ways that go in there as well. Okay. Thank you for that review. I think it's helpful for people as we look at this to understand those items and that'll help understand why you're trying to make decisions make. Thank you. All right. What other questions do we have Cameron on this item? Anything else? I'm gonna go to the applicant. Is the applicant here? Hello. Hello. How are you?

Good to see you again. Uh Kevin Fus, P3 Engineering Group. I'm here uh representing CF Smith property group with this request. Um Cam your report hit everything hit me on the head. Um so I'm primarily here to answer any questions you may have. One thing I did want to mention just hearing the discussion um program is DOT control. Um there are portions of uh controlled access along Robert Gryom. So curb cuts onto Robert Gryom are going to be very heavily scrutinized by DOT. Um specifically another thing is the traffic studies 100 peak hour trips uh requires a traffic study. That's usually around 3,000 square feet on a fast food restaurant. Uh which is not very big obviously. So I'd say the majority of fast food restaurants will trip that traffic study which will then you know do DOT can look for road improvements things of that nature. So just want to point that out that there is some you know quite a bit of scrutiny from DOT that will happen at that point. Theoretically if it is a big enough nuisance they actually can close a driveway. a ultra ultra worst case scenario, but you know, there are multiple ways that the DOT specifically can police this, so to speak.

Okay. Uh questions for Mr. Buis, please. Commissioners, none. Okay. Thank you. We'll come back. We'll come back to you in a moment. Okay. This is a public hearing item. Uh, I'll just wait a minute here. Sorry. Let me just No, no problem. No problem. We're not hurrying. If anybody in the public would like to address this item D1 on agenda drive-thru. Yes, sir. Mr. McCoy.

Uh, Seth McCoy with taken a quick question for clarification. because a lot of those partials that are highlighted actually belongs to us. What constitutes a residential property since residential is allowed in the mixeduse zone? Is it I mean at any point a commercial building could be transferred into residential because multif family count as residential. I just need some clarification on kind of what that 400 foot is to once again kind of know how it could affect our potential. That's a wonderful question. Charles, tell us the answer to that.

Not opposed to it. I just like No, it's a great question. Thank you. What's the thing you leading to? I think there's a lot of properties that we have that are highlighted there that we've looked at.

Dominant residential zone that uses strictly stuck as residential. Well, I I guess what I'm asking is we've got a large parcel on Gryom across from the ball field. I doubt on the jet port Carol Boulevard in that's more industrial area. But if it was a kind of a mixeduse parcel since some of these parcels are 30 acres, what classifies as a residential use since residential is allowed in the mixeduse district. I'm trying to figure out where that 400 mark would start from. You're limited to residential zones. How about say I would go with the interpretation that Charlie just threw out of the hand. You know, it's like basically you're saying res. You're limited to

just resial. Yeah. I mean, you could increase it to multif family, but if we're just looking at what I say is residential zone because multif family is a little bit more commercial. I would limit it to just residential zones, which would kind of fill that map a little bit better. So, single family detached or I mean I mean

any any single single artists But like you said though, how do you when it says residential zone property, okay, you might develop next to a mUM piece of property that's vacant and it could be a commercial use or it could end up being a residential use. So the safest call would be the one that Charlie just make is that any district that is solely a residential district and we could even go and say multif family if you wanted to on that. Pull the distance off. So districts. Yeah. Yeah, basically your R districts. So you could have a mixeduse development with a drive-thru

like a market common example Starbucks right next to a mixeduse kind of apartments that happen right there offer Parkway. That's kind of the scenario I guess I would be asking. Single family districts. Okay. Very good on the spot question. Thank you. Thank you. We're glad you're here today, Mr. Thank you. Okay. Any anyone else would like to uh say anything from the public? Seeing no other requests, I'm going to officially close the public hearing portion and come back to the planning commission. Okay. Planning Commission. What would say? I have one question. A lot of the drive-throughs have like two

double. Yeah. Do they have to have eight um behind each? Eight stacks behind each or just if they had two four behind each? I mean, a lot of them turn into one window. So, typically they might break it out and But you said y'all started at the order point. So, I got I got four I got eight time together. That's Yes. The answer is yes. So, if you have two, you can just But if you got six in one lane and two in the other, that's eight, right? We got eight of them all in one line. That's eight. Four and four. That's eight. Got this. Have you ever been in line at the Chick-fil-A on? Yes.

Now, like the one in the county where you kind of have two order points, but they have two lanes. Yeah. Each one of those, but again, our minimum codes based off of just eight. So, they're going to have another order point. You know, they're a little bit open on that because that's pulling in less cars. have a better way. Okay. Yes, Phil. So, help me distinguish between multif family versus residents and single family versus residents. Why is there an issue with single family residence and multif family residence? Why is it different? What about following your question?

Well, you said that multif family is more of a commercial use, but it is residents. It is. So what's what was the purpose of saying it can be within 400 ft of residential the multif family is more of a commercial application just how the entire sites developed where layout but what I'm asking is why are we making the condition of residential that you're asking is based off a distance off a residential neighborhood and a residential neighborhood is a single family well I understand but why are we making requirement. Is there an issue that we think could develop because of that?

Yeah. I mean, you're looking at undeveloped properties along the Robert corridor that wouldffect the future of those lines. So, people that's in residential properties would be adverse to something like that being close to them. I'm not following your question. Yes. Yes. Yeah. So if it's adverse then why does a multif family not be given the same consideration? They should they could be it could be but I threw out that option. You threw out that option. You could be one or other. I'm fine with it.

But a multif family is going to I mean there's there's going to be a site plan that's site plan that has to be approved that's going to have the driveways and everything parking where the entranceways are. There's a lot more planning involved in a um right in a in a multif family there's a c requirement as well. So you're also looking at a higher density. Yeah. I understand all that. All I'm going to really get it down to if I was a resident and you're saying for res single residential property owners they wouldn't want to be within 14 to keep the the noise and the traffic away. Multif family even has more traffic. Why would we be protecting the residents of a multif family? Okay, we fine either way an option to do that.

We any residential zoning classification whether it's R7, R10, RMH, RMM, the best interpretation for us whenever it says 500 ft from residential. The best interpretation for us is any residential zoning district, whether it be multif family or whether it be single family. Okay,

but it is not a district that just allows residents in it. It is actually a residential zoning district. That's what I want to clarify because when uh Seth asked his question, it sound like we would only consider it as an option and gives us the free way to kind of determine it, which I've seen in the past. If it doesn't state it in fact, then there's going to be disagreements on where it stood. So, y'all were saying if there was a multif family property within 400 ft of this and it had been developed into multif family properties, you going to treat that probably as a residential property. have to stay 400 ft away. I'm following you the way with the R. Yeah. Okay. If that's where if that's the direction. Yes. Okay.

Right. So residential, not just the ones that are zoned for single family residential, but are zoned for anybody that's got a residential property, any R property, R or R. I I would tend to think it that maybe single family might be more appropriate just because, you know, you do see apartment complexes and things like that in relatively, you know, commercialized zones. Um, you know, but I mean 400t is not that far away. No, it is not far away at all. It's a block.

No, it's going to football field. So one and a third football field. That's pretty good distance. Yeah. So I mean Yeah, that's true. So I mean, you know, do you if there's an apartment complex that's a block away, should that prohibit somebody from having I was just making sure in the multif family it says R in it. Yeah. Any residential zone R or R. So I do want to point out in the document that I gave you from the APA, their best practice was to put the restriction at 40 ft. So this is a 10 times increase in what a best practice would be. So this is very protective over residential.

I was just I'm just making sure because it's being considered res. Okay. All right. Okay. Commissioners, what other thoughts, concerns, questions do you have for the applicant or staff, please? Um, if it's a residential zone in the county, does that apply or is it only a resial zone in the city? That's a $64,000 question there, Ze. Sometimes it does. So, we need to get in all of those uh donut holes.

Okay. Anything else? No. Joe, Paul, Karen, Betty, Austin, Phil. Okay, maybe not. We'll see. I Now I uh we're ready for a motion. If everybody has collected their thoughts, I would like to get a motion to keep moving here. Motion to approve. Second. Did you make a motion? I have a motion from Phil, a second from all to accept as proposed. Is that correct? You want to add definition to the Yeah, that's what I want to

just apply to the residential zones. Is that Yes. Well, it was that was the way it was submitted as submitted as submitted and the residential zone you said included the multif family properties that could be multi-use. Well, I think you said it includes uh multif family and single family residential zones, but you still have residences in a in an MUM zone. You have, you know, you could have a commercial property and a but that would not apply to those residences. It wouldn't. That's what I asked. They said yes. No, sir. That's not what you asked. Okay. Well, I asked the wrong question.

Okay. Back up. Um maybe I mean what's the 400 foot requirement coming from? I mean that does seem kind of excessive to me. Goes from the applicant's request. Okay. If you feel more comfortable with 200 I guarantee the applicant would too. You know I 200 to me seems probably a little bit more. You know, you know, you got the biggest thing with drive-throughs in regard to residential was always the old school speakers.

Okay. It was the old school speakers. Everybody tried to say it was the headlights. No, it was the old school speakers where you feel like the man is talking this soft, but you feel like he's hollering at you through the drive-thru window. I think the best one you could be, the old tasty trees where now is that Mo's barbecue that was just a big bullhorn speaker. They don't have the bullhorn speakers anymore. Heck, half the time you have to tell the people on the other side to speak up because you didn't hear what they said. Um, so that was the big thing back in the day that drove drive-throughs away from residentials because you didn't want to hear somebody at 11:00 at night hollering, "Welcome to McDonald's. How may I help you?" Um, and so that's kind of it's kind of been a self-correcting thing in a roundabout way just through the processes of technology. May I rephrase my question?

Yes. Can you withdraw? Thank you. Thank you. Okay. My question was and I must have said it completely wrong. Anywhere that you can build residential whether regardless of what zone it is, if there's residential built there, does this term residential apply to all those zones? No, sir. It would not apply to a mumm zone. I mean, here's the thing. If the applicant would please come back up to the podium and could maybe you this is your application that we're talking about. What did you mean whenever you said residential property?

These are all good questions and actually question you brought up as well. Um, thank you. Thank you, Mr.

I'm trying to think of a good way to phrase this. I think our intent is again multif family, single family, they're still residential, right? Understand that typically a multif family development is from a zoning perspective viewed as a commercial type development. Parking lot given the density, you know, given multiffactors, it does lend itself to more of a multi-use type development, right? As a as an apartment as a you know town homes of that gray area I'd like to

the fact that we that we put commercial development requirements on multi family residential properties correct 9 by19 parking spaces 22t drive house correct correct as the applicant your request is single family residential single family residential okay

honestly our our intent was single family residential and existing and I mean maybe some of these words we can explore, right? I mean, we're we're very open to to recommendations and suggestions, right? I mean, our intent with single family, we're trying to be good neighbors and saying, "Okay, existing single family, come right in, build a speaker, build a drive-thru, you know, things that would be disruptive to a single family owner." Um, I don't think the intent was necessarily to get as specific as, you know, maybe the apartment complex because those are typically built they're typically built in more commercial buildings anyway.

Um, lighting

commercial lighting, right? I mean, so there's, and again, I'm trying to to make sure I phrase this properly um so as not to step over myself here, but you know, I think our intent was was really to look at the single family to not limit overall uses in the future, especially in you know, great point there that you made. Um, you know, so I would just say that that's how we link on that. I would also say that you know and I mentioned this before in our first meeting um restaurants themselves sit down so like a Longhorn for instance Olive Garden those are allowed by right with an MUM so so really all types of restaurants are allowed it's the drivethru portion of the use that is specifically not allowed and if you notice there's already an amendment discussions with staff that amendment was for a very specific case on Kings Avenue. Um we're not here asking for a specific case, a specific property. Um this is more just a clarification that on this corridor uh which does have a good mix of you know single family, multif family and commercial that we would request being allowed this. Um I'd also mentioned before allowed so CVS, Walgreens, you know they have a speaker allowed by right

uh so a dry cleaner. I know not always, but typically dry cleaners, some of them do have speakers. So, you know, there are already allowable uses that would have this speaker. And I think another good point that you just made is that an outright restaurant without a drive-thru would just have to adhere to regular setbacks. I don't know why they would, but Chick-fil-A could theoretically not have a drive-thru built there. So, Madam Chairman, may I clarify my question from earlier? Sure. So, are you going to make it more complicated? Try not to. Once again, I'm not

Let's see. Go ahead.

I'm not opposed to this. I just think the word residential is very ambiguous in the way it's defined in the code with mixeduse districts, multif family districts, residential districts. I I don't disagree with anything that's being said, but in other in other cases of the code where you got to have buffers or setbacks or things like that, it's from a district or use that is already zoned that way. You know, you got to do that. When you're talking about these mixeduse zones, once again, take any one of these parcels where this could go. that parcel would be cut up tomorrow with a drive-thru and then the very next day a residential use could be put next to it

which once again they're accepting that fate I get that perfectly fine with that you build there but at the same time if you if I do that development reverse because usually you got to have a population to make the drive-through restaurant work now I can't put the drive-through restaurant there so my my intention of the question was is it purely for single family? Was it pure as Charles said the Rzzones? Because as this code has evolved over the past several years, when did we do this rewrite? 14.

14. So 10 years and getting ready to go through another one. It's just something to kind of kind of think about as the world changes. Um that the development is going to more mixed use. Once again, no problem excluding multif family because you got to deal with trash compactors and gates and doorbells and things like that that are all these things that people have problems with on a or the single family people have more of a problem with living next to that than you do in that multif family setting. I just think the term for me personally residential leaves a lot of interpretation. Okay. I admire these guys a lot,

but they may not be here tomorrow. And I think that Phil Bill was going Phil is going there. I'm not sure his answer was over what he was doing. I'll make the proper motion. Okay. Thank you, Mr. McCoy. Is there any way I can actually as a property owner is it? No, I mean I think what you did right now I think for clarification for this board based off the clarification that you just provided as the applicant. What we are voting for right now is no speaker within 400 ft of single family residentially zoned property. I think that would clarify a lot. That's what I'm That's what I'm going to try to do. I think that's where you were going. Airline to that

like measurement. We probably would add airline for measurement purposes. 400T radius. Yeah. Now would that be again I'm not trying to make the waters. Would that be from a structure or a property line or a zoning district? Is it the order? Go from the order point a line to their property line. That's what you're missing. Straight line. The order. The order board. Is that what we're talking about, Charles? The order board. Yeah. The actual drive-thru itself. Yeah. The order board. Yes. They often have two order boards. Just let's be clear. Closest one. Yeah. or feet to a closest.

So if you're close, you can redesign the order board. Sure, possibly. I mean, now they have order here and take the next order and there's a second order board and so for the point of clarification, I'm asking the applicant right now, you are referring to single family residentially zoned properties. That is our request to clarify that this is single family residential. Thank you. did a great job. And that's not RMM or RMH or RMV. It's only R only. Single family. I don't know that. That's correct. You're right. You're right. You're right.

And again, some of this, you know, we're trying to be good neighbors, right? But by doing that, I think we've opened up ambiguity, which is property owner wouldn't want to get that ambiguity off. So, our request would be um single family residential. Good. Good job. and thank you for standing up and explaining everything. Yeah. I mean, again, as a as a property owner representative, I'm welcome your suggest you quit talking while you're head. I'm trying to say thank you. Thank you very much. Sure. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'd like to You did a good job. I'd like to entertain a motion. Okay, we're starting all over.

Okay. I'd like to make a motion to approve with an amendment to the request being rather than just saying residential all zoning districts that have the R5, R seven, R8, R10, R15, single family detached residential districts is be corrected to that word and make that motion and and keep the remaining of the request the I would have airline distance for measure the measuring difference from the border. That's what it's called.

Yes. And included in that the lanes are 400 ft is the airport. Aine airline district. That's right. From the order board. Yeah. They cross straight down. Okay. Is that that Do you have all that? Yep. Okay. Uh now I'm going back to you, Mr. Paul. Did you want to give us or you know what? Where are you? I will second that. I think I'll go ahead and repeat it, though. Don't ask me to repeat it.

Okay. All right. Uh I have a motion from Phil, which has been amended, and a second from Paul. Uh is there any uh further discussion? If not, all in favor say I. I opposed. Okay. Thank you. It's unanimous and thank you very much for coming in and uh getting this done and we'll be moving on here. Thank you for the planning staff helping us. Yes.

All right. Moving on to uh item number two, annex 25-06 21st Avenue 21st and 17 bypass. And this is Ken. This is request from Broadway at the Beach Palace Track LLC Seth McCoy agent to annex approximately 1.02 acres on the corner of 17 bypass and 21st Avenue North and to reszone from Ory County Amusement Commercial to entertainment. Here's a location map. the current zoning, amusement, commercial, and proposed zoning, entertainment. Happy to answer any questions.

Okay, commissioners, ask Kelly all the questions you have. Anything? Okay. Thank you, Kelly. Um, Mr. McCoy, would you like to here to answer any questions you may have? closing the donut. But but but sit down, right? That's what you're going to tell me.

Okay. Thank you, Mr. McCoy. All right. Back to commissioners. Um if there are no further questions, I'm going to move into the U. It's a public hearing item. Going to ask the public if they would like to comment on this item, please. I do not see any requests from the audience. So, I will close the the public portion of that item and come back to commissioners uh to ask any other questions or make a motion, please. Motion to approve. I have a motion from Joe to approve as is. I'll second.

Second from Sharon. Any further discussion? If not, all in favor say I. I. Opposed. Okay, it is unanimous. Thank you, Mr. McCoy. Thank you. Okay, moving on to uh ateum item D3 and it's 25-07 Professional Drive Cameron.

Yes, ma'am. This request from Robert Wy with Warren Smith's agent to annex approximately 2.86 acres off Professional Drive and reszone from Ory County OPI office professional institutional to MP medical professional. the site in question on Professional Drive is the last remaining piece there on the side of Professional Drive outside jurisdiction. We're just going to the purple of the medical professional. I have two quick notes to make to the staff report. I did receive one phone call on this as of yesterday and there's a gentleman asking what was going on that site is a require site plans but it's going to be medical professional um of some nature, some sort of office building. And the second thing is we talked last time about that small sliver piece next to it that is grayed out. I worked with our GIS department just the the layer of our zoning map the purple was offshifted. That is part of the city of Myrtle Beach that is governed by us. So they've already corrected that. So the zoning map should reflect that that piece is purple as well.

Thank you. You're very welcome. Happy to answer any questions in the audience. Okay. Commissioners, go ahead. Get camera questions. I'm glad that was resolved. That little sliver there mystery. Okay. No questions from commissioners. And u I'm going to move to the uh applicant. Are you here? Hello. Yes. Hello. How are you? Very well, thank you. James Baldwin, Development Resource Group. Um hello.

Hello. So the owner is just looking to request annexation and reszoning of the property to construct an office building um for his personal use. Um and the reason being is that the property is served by city water and sewer. So it was requested that we Okay, commissioners, you have questions for Mr. Baldwin. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Baldwin. I'll come back to you in a few minutes.

Okay. Uh this is um once again another public hearing item. So I ask the public if you would like to u make any comments comments on this item. I do not see any requests or uh hear any requests. So I will close the public hearing portion. come back to commissioners for uh any more questions or hopefully a motion. Motion to approve. I have a motion from Joe to approve approved. Second from Paul. Uh any further discussion? If not, all in favor say I.

Opposed. It is unanimous. Thank you very much. Thank you, Mr. Baldwin. Thank you. Okay, moving on to item uh D4 prein 25-07 del web sales center and uh

yes this is a request from Evan Gosny Py home co LLC to subdivide approximately 0.77 acres of trapini place zone Grand Dunes PUD ft into four lots ranging in size from 8,632 square ft to 8,052 ft. Um, here you can see the property highlighted in blue between 67th Avenue North and Trapini Place. Here we have the aerial view. Here we have the plat showing the total acres of being 0.77 uh acres and then with the largest lot being 8,632 ft and the smallest lot being 8,052 square ft. And if you have any questions I'm happy to answer and I believe the applicants in the audience.

Thank you Tisha. Okay commissioners for Tisha. Okay. Uh, the applicant is here. Good afternoon. Uh, my name is Mark St with DRG representing uh, Pton Homes. Um, this one's pretty straightforward. It's a a demolition that's been completed of the sales center and they're just looking to resubdivide out the four lots that made up the one lot for their sales center. Um, which as you saw was a parking lot and a building. So they're just finishing up operations and pulling out. Are the size of these lots consistent with the other lots in the sub? Yes, sir.

It was these were actually initially shown as being lots whenever they came in with the subdivision. They just kind of grouped them all together for the purpose of the sub. So it's exactly like it was whenever they came in with the whole picture. Okay. Questions for Mr. Stall, please commissioners. I like the way that you are very succinct with this, Mr. Sto. This will move everybody along. Thank you. So, thank you. I try.

Okay. Uh if there's no more questions for the applicant. Back to the uh staff. Any more questions? And let's move on. This is not a public hearing item, surprise. So, uh I move that we approve the application to present Okay, I have a motion to approve from Z, a second from Austin. Any further discussion? If not, all in favor say I. I and opposed. It is unanimous. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Thank you, Mr. S. Thank you all.

Uh, moving on to item number uh D5, SPN 25-10, HGTC, Brandon, and this is Kaitlyn. request for Georgetown Technical College name a drive off him avenue and swallow new Avenue servicing HDTC Joe Thomas Brandon Junior Street here's our plat show and our proposed street in our aerial and if there are any questions I'm happy to answer them

do we have any limitations on length of the street All right, commissioners. Do you have any questions for Do you have any limitations on whether the person's living or not? I couldn't find them. No, you can. Um, even if they're alive, no limitation. Thank you. Okay. All right. Dr. Ford,

do you would you like to comment on this item? Um name is Marilyn Mur for president Georgetown Tech. Appreciate your service. Um this is part of honoring uh chairman Tommy Brandon who has been with our board for 34 years and chairman for the past 14 years. Um it is a street that borders a science building parking there possibility of uh hopefully not put any problems that we may have for students and we would have to have EMP we would just like to name that street in his own he knows not about this. Uh we're also trying to honor a couple of other board members that have been with us for 40 years, but we're naming some rooms inside of a building. So this is a surprise for Mr. Tra.

So don't anyone here call him. That's correct. That's correct. Only his wife knows that her madam chair. May I ask a question? Chair, if it's approved, uh when would a sign be erected? Oh, I would have to get up with the public works department on that. Um, if you've got a certain time frame that you are shooting for, we will try we will try within our best to work with you. And that's about the best I can give you on that.

Okay. May I state about when it would be nice? We have a board meeting the second week in February. I think that should be more than enough time to get that done. But we'll make sure that we make the phone calls after this meeting to go ahead and see what we need to do to get it going if this gets passed. Yes, ma'am. Great. All right. Thank you. And we and a member of my staff will reach out to you and let you know what we found out. Thank you. Thank you, doctor.

Thanks for your consideration. This is a public hearing item, so I have to ask the public for my paper. You're the only one left. But uh I'll open this for the public hearing. Uh and uh seeing no request for uh for the uh input, I will officially close the public hearing portion and come back to commissioners. And I would like to have a motion, please. We'll make a motion to approve. Okay, Paul has uh made a motion to approve. I second. Second from Joe. Any further discussion? If not, all in favor say I.

Any opposed? Thank you very much. Thank you, Dr. For. I hope I hope that if the timing works in with your signing. Thank you. We'll find out something. I'll have the print shop do a little plastic sign or something. Thank you very much. We'll find out something then and let you know. Appreciate it, Dr. Okay. moving on to uh SDN25-11, the Palms. Caitlyn, you're up again.

This is a request from HD the Palms LLC to name a new private drive off Oak Street near 16th Avenue servicing two multif family buildings. Vivian Place. Here is our map and our aerial view and our site. showing that beforehand. If there are any questions, I'm here to answer. There's no applicant in the audience. So, this this little what what is the little stretch there? The extra Can you go back a couple please? That the flag pole part.

It's part of the lot. It's a Series for Power. Okay. Thank you. All right. All right. The applicant is not here, so we are told, but it is a public hearing. So, I will open the public hearing to anybody who would like to speak to it. Seeing no requests, is this this is a private stream, right? Seeing no request, I will close the public hearing portion and come back to commissioners for a motion hopefully. Motion to approve. Thank you, Joe. You're doing a good job today.

If it weren't for you today, we wouldn't get through this, Joe. That's right. He's finally got the rhythm of the movement. Okay. I got well rested over here. So, okay. Thank you, Joe. And who seconded? Thank you, Sharon. Uh second from Sharon. Any further discussion? If not, all in favor say I. I. Okay. Opposed. Thank you very much. And moving on. All right. Uh the highlight of the day coming up. What's coming up down the pipe with the new applications? Otherwise, nothing right now really. Nothing

so far. Nothing. Okay. Y'all draw up good business about every time you say that and then we get four or five. Y'all do a good job out there. Everybody takes that break kind of during the holidays. I know it ramps back up real quick. Yeah. One Thursday probably going to be there and application after application. So fingers crossed.

Well, we're going to have election of officers in in in a moment, but I just want to talk about something um real quickly. Uh I I watch attendance very carefully and we have some really surprisingly sad attendance. If you can't attend u I think that I hope I'm hoping that the bylaws get updated because when we have six absences and more uh for different people. I won't go down the list if you want to see it. I have it here. Uh but If you can't attend, you might this might not be the right fit for you. Okay, that's uh number one. Uh number two, um there's going to be so many wonderful things happening uh for 2026. I can hardly wait for it to get started uh besides this week. But more than a year ago, um, I told the mayor and several council members that I would not be running for chairman. So that was over a year ago, probably 18 months ago. I also shared it with a few commissioners and several city council members that I was not going to be running for chair. So, it's nothing new for me that that's I had no intent and no plan to do that. So, um, I've also told the and met with, uh, on several occasions the mayor elect, the mayor elect also knows that I was not going to run for chair again. So therefore um it's been our tradition uh for many years that uh be that although it's not on our bylaws and I hope that's u tweaked that uh the election of officers has always been

passed to the person from staff to conduct it so it becomes a neutral vote instead of the person sitting here. So, with that in mind, I'm going to uh hand over this portion of the election process to Cameron, and hopefully that'll all be put into the bylaws and attendance and all the all things coming up because I see a very exciting year ahead. Get ready to work. Get ready to be busy. Get ready to be involved because there's going to be a lot of changes coming up. Okay, Mr. camera. Take it away.

Yes, ma'am. So, uh just want to read through the rules here real quick for the the officer election process here. Uh commissioners do not have to be recognized to nominate someone. They may simply call out a nomination. A commissioner must ascertain the willingness of the individual they wish to nominate. Members can decline a nomination during the nominating process. Commissioners may nominate themselves. Nominations do not require a second. Following each nomination, the chair reiterates the name for the record and the secretary will report all nominations in the minutes. The commissioner must move to close nominations. It's not permissible when another commissioner has the floor. And the motion requires a second and an affirmative vote of twoth3 majority of commissioners present to close nominations. To the election process, uh the chair calls for a vote of one officer at a time. If there's only one nominee for the office at hand, the chair calls for a voice vote of the nominee by the name for the office by name. If there is more than one nominee for an office, then there's call for a ballot vote. Commissioners receive a blank piece of paper on which they write the name of the candidate for whom they wish to vote. Ballots are returned reads each aloud and tallies the vote.

Good. Clear as mud. All right. I'm glad you're in charge. You got it all figured out. So, at this point, uh, Four for nominations for the uh the planning commission chair position. I nominate Austin Gayton. Austin Gayton. I'd like to nominate Commissioner Philip Salby. Commissioner Salby. Seeing no other calls for nomination to close nominations, which would need an affirmative vote of twothirds of the board to close nominations. All those in favor?

I I All those opposed. Nominations have now closed for planning commission chair. Since there are two nominees, I'd ask that you each pass the bowl around. Grab a slip of paper and a pen. Faster. all the light up. Thank you. So just with a with eight members present it'll be a vote of 5 to three be

just keep going figure that out. Uh first nomination or first vote is for Commissioner Stalby. Vote for Commissioner Gayton. Second vote for Commissioner Gayton. A third vote for Commissioner Gayton. A second vote for Commissioner Stali. A third vote for Commissioner Staly. A fourth vote for Commissioner Gayton. and a fourth vote for Commissioner Salvi. So, we do in fact have a tie. So, thank you, Zeb. Thank you, Zeb.

Zeb, you did us in. Okay. What's your rule? So, as this has not been ratified by our bylaws, we are in unchartered territory. You're either going to vote again or you're going to wait until we have a full board present to where you can get a unanimous decision. You mean a a majority decision? A majority decision. Excuse me. Yes, sir. Do you want to wait till next meeting? We'll do it at the beginning of the meeting. Y'all have to be here though. It's going to end up the same way. Is this the full commission? Is there anybody? No, there's Danielle is missing. Okay. That's why I'm talking about attendance, ma'am. It's just not good.

I'd like to make a motion that we wait till the next meeting at the beginning of the meeting. At the beginning of the meeting. Hold on a second.

Can we do a vice or not? No. Sure. Um, since it's split, I don't feel like I want to be a chair of a split commission. Um, I want to draw my nomination.

Yes, sir. I believe Commissioner Salvi has declined his nomination for the nominating process, leaving one. So at this time uh for a vote of ascent uh all those please raise their hands and vote of commissioner gayen to assume the chair position for the blank commission. Seeing a majority chair at this time I will open the floor for vice chair nominations. I nominate Paul.

I nominate Phil. Nomination for Commissioner Williamson and a nomination for Commissioner Salby. See no more. Move to close the nomination. I need two majority of the commissioners who vote to close this. All those in favor? I. Nominations have closed any more ballots. on your face. Thank you. Cameron did good.

Oh, no. That's Kaitlin. Good job.

Luck. Thank you. Excuse me. First vote is for Commissioner Salvi. A second vote for Commissioner Salvi. Third vote for Commissioner Salvi. Fourth vote for Commissioner Salby. And a fifth vote for Commissioner Salby. Make the rest of them not need to be read at this point. Mr. Salvi vice chair planning commission. Okay. At that point, officer elections have concluded meeting.

Okay. Well, I'm not I'm not jer. Yes. One last motion for the road. Okay. But I do have like to make another thought. Um I'll publicly state that some of the rumors that have been said totally false. And I think that people need to take that consideration. That's all.

Okay. Make a motion. I move that we second. Motion a second. Uh from uh Zeb and Austin. Thank you. All in favor? Thank y'all.