Planning & Zoning - Regular Meeting

All right. Thank you. You too. Okay. Call the meeting to order. Town of Wiggins Planning and Zoning Commission meeting, Tuesday, March 10th. Time is 7:08. Do the pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Roll call, please.

Commissioner Bongartner here. Commissioner Absent. Commissioner Musgrave absent. Commissioner Borders. Commissioner Palmer here. Okay. Thank you. Uh, next item is approval of the agenda. Need a motion for that. Uh, I am motion to approve. Second. Okay, we have a motion with a second.

Commissioner Bombgardner. Yes. Commissioner Borders. Yes. Commissioner Palmer. Yes. All right. Agenda approved. Next item is approval of the minutes from the meeting held on October 7th, 2025. I motion to approve. I'll second it. Okay. Motion with a second. Commissioner Bombgardner, yes. Commissioner Borders, yes. Commissioner Palmer, yes.

All right. Minutes approved. Next item is updates of land development code and zoning map. Brett Palberg is here to present tonight information on what we're planning with the land development code and the zoning map. their um engineering firm is taking care of that. Perfect. So Diana um you need to allow me to share my screen. Oh no, that should be Yeah. Okay, hold on.

Okay. Can you try it now? Still not working.

I pressed a button to request sharing. Hopefully that helps. I think I just allowed it. Ah, that worked. There we go. Okay.

Okay. Well, good evening everyone. Uh, good to see you all. I recognize a couple faces there, maybe not the third, but maybe I just don't remember you from prior. So, this is Brent Palmer with Rick Engineering, and we worked on the comprehensive plan, and uh we're happy to be back for a little while here to work on the land development code update, as Diana was saying. So, tonight we're we're not going to show you all the changes we're going to be doing or proposing, but we're going to go over kind of what we're getting into here. So an overview, it's a rewrite of the code and one of the primary objectives is to implement the comprehensive plan which we adopted with you all about a year ago, maybe 13 months ago. Um, another important element is to make sure that the codes, land development code, other aspects of the code are in alignment with state statutes and best practices. So uh, it's been quite a while since the code's been updated. there are some new state regulations out there for things like housing. Um, and just it's kind of just a common practice for us to make sure we're on the up and up with regards to state statutes and whatnot. And then a third objective is to make the code a bit more user friendly. So candidly in looking through the code, it's it's not that hard to follow through. So, it's I wouldn't say it's user unfriendly right now, but I guess the general statement is that we want to make sure that this code is easy to follow for anyone picking it up, right? Um, oftentimes codes get a little too complicated and the average person out there, their eyes glaze over when they open up the code and try to figure it out. So, that's part of our job as well. So the cop plan is one of the major guiding parts of the uh code update and probably the most notable part is the land use uh future land use plan which uh in the future land use plan which is adopted this is the picture on the right here uh as part of the comprehensive

plan. It's really advisory in nature. It's not binding. So really where the rubber hits the road with um making the comprehensive plan really work on a dayby-day or month-by-month basis is the zoning. And so that's again one of the main reasons why we're here. So this is the land use plan from the comp plan. Um most just it's probably been a while since you've seen this. So essentially yellow is residential. Uh the darker yellow is kind of multi- kind of multif family or town homes, things like that. Brown is mixed use. We'll talk about that in a moment. Red is retail or commercial. And blue is uh business or employment or industrial. Uh green is a park. So it's it's um pretty straightforward map, but there was a lot of thought that went into all this during the course of the comprehensive plan as you all know. So, one of the major notable things is that the future land use plan called for the idea of mixeduse development along Central Avenue and also on Main Street in the downtown area to promote the small town character of Wiggins, not only within the downtown, but also on Central Avenue to the west, which is really one of the main gateways coming off of I76 into town. So, we'll talk about that in a moment. That's something that as we get into this may require and probably should require a new zoning classification for that land use designation. The rest of these we may be able to keep the same names of zoning districts and just change if we feel like it the uh details behind the different districts. By the way, are you picking up any background noise?

There is a little bit. It's not bad. It's it's doable. Okay. All right.

All right. So, we also have low and medium density residential, business park and industrial areas as mentioned and retail and commercial areas. And the purple areas on here are estate residential which is kind of for lower density residential on the edge of the countryside. We also have open space and conservation which is green. So that idea of mixed juice on Central Avenue, this was a graphic we had in the comprehensive plan showing the before and after on Central Avenue. So mixed juice is a term that refers to it's sort of like what you see on a main street in a downtown historically. So that these buildings here on the right, there might be retail or or commercial businesses on the ground floor and perhaps residences up above or you know offices things like that. So how that gets integrated into the code is going to be an important thing to think about. So another so the zoning zoning districts are an important aspect of the code update. Along with that, we're also going to be looking at all the different design and development standards um and look at potential adjustments or additions to those standards. So that means things like parking. Um actually I don't really see a whole lot of parking regulation in the code right now. Uh parking's not as big a deal in Wiggins compared to a larger city, but as the community can grow in the future, it'd be good to get parking regulations lined out. And that's for commercial areas, but you know, also for residential areas, so you don't get too many cars on the street, things like that, or too many cars in general or vehicles parked. Uh fencing and buffers between different land uses or between, say, commercial and nearby residential. That's important to look at as well. Uh and that's also

something that was fairly light in the current code. Uh landscaping, there is a landscaping section in the current code, but it's all of five lines, I believe. So, you know, landscaping refers to just as the name indicates, uh, trees, shrubs, but also, you know, how are you going to be planting turf or irrigated areas, things like that in the community.

And then lighting is also something that I I don't really see in the current code that we may want to regulate. And that would speak to uh perhaps preserving the dark skies or at the same time also making sure that certain areas are illuminated properly for a safety perspective. And then architecture for both residential and commercial uses. So from a residential standpoint, uh this usually speaks to um the way houses look up and down the street, maybe the variety of houses. Um, a lot of what we hear in different communities is a desire to not just have the same old cookie cutter homes up and down a street to have some degree of diversity and variety and architectural features to them. So, we may look at that as well. Um, and Diana, are you getting background noise too much? Because I can I'm sitting near some people. I can move if need be.

We can still hear you.

Okay, good. Because it's probably more of a bother on my end. And then subdivision layouts. This refers to uh the network of streets. Uh for example, are do you want to have regulations concerning how long a certain block should be in a subdivision? Do you want to regulate culde-sacs or promote them or discourage them? Things like that. There's a lot of detail that could go into these different uh topic areas here as we get into it. Um, you know, we'll have our ideas of what should probably be in the draft of the zoning code update, but this is why you all are involved and also the board of trustees. We want to hear from you all. If if you don't want to go as far down the path of regulation on landscaping or lighting versus what could be done, well, it's your town. That's your call, right? It's not like I'm just dictating this to you or we're not dictating this to you at all. So, your input's going to be useful as we go along. And then streets, sidewalks, and trails. So, there's some street regulation in there right now, but uh we may want to add some more um some more regulation of sidewalks. Like, for example, do you want to have sidewalks that are detached from the street, you know, with a tree with a a strip of grass or trees and whatnot between the street and the sidewalk, or do you want it to be attached or do you want it allowed to be attached? And if we have trails in the future around Wiggins, where would you want how would you like those to look? You know, what kind of width would you like for those trails? What kind of features would you like to see on that as well?

Few other things to talk about here. Um, accessory dwelling units is something that's become a big topic around Colorado, and that's the idea of a, you know, a separate housing unit. Usually, it's in the backyard of a of a residence, but it's a way to have um in the old days, it was called a granny flat or a mother-in-law unit. It's a small, say, you know, 5 to 700 square foot unit with its own kitchen sink, its own bathroom, maybe only one or two rooms. And so, accessory means it's owned by the homeowner of that main house, but it's a separate house. And it could be for family members to stay in. It could just be another place where somebody in their family could live like the teenager for example. It also could be something that um a family could rent out um for additional revenue. And that's something that we want to look at with you all. Uh again, it's become pretty popular as a way for folks to supplement income and also to have a wider range of housing types in the community. But, um, this is one that I think we're going to definitely need input from the board of trustees and you all on how much appetite you may or may not have for that as we move forward. Uh, affordable housing is a big topic around the state. And so, we're going to look back at the comprehensive plan, see what we said there, and then there may be some tools we want to put forth to promote having more affordable housing. In Wiggins, generally what we talked about was promoting more teacher housing or housing for essential uh employees of a community. So we may want to look at are there any tools in the zoning code we might want to make easier if someone's doing something that's designated for a teacher or someone who might need uh affordable housing. Other things that um the current zoning doesn't really speak to are things like setbacks. So, how far back from the street would you like a house to be or an apartment or what have you? Um, what

you've had developed in Wiggins today is, you know, fairly typical, but um, you know, I'm not saying we have to have setbacks, but it might be something we want to think about in order to make sure we have the right spacing between homes, um, the right look and feel as you go down a street in a neighborhood, things like that. uh lot coverages that react that relates to the size of units and how much of a lot can a house or buildable area take up. Uh the code doesn't really speak to that right now, but we might want to have some sort of regulation for that in the code as well. And again, on all this stuff, it's really how much appetite does do the elected leaders here in Wiggins have for all this stuff. Uh density and lot size. So, for different types of residential, um, you may want to have a little more flexibility in terms of how many units you could have on an acre. Um, that might be one way to have houses turn out to be a little more affordable in terms of their final sales price. Because if you can fit a few more homes on a given piece of land, in theory, the sales price should go down compared to having every house on say a quarter lot. Same thing with building height. Uh, that's something to look at as well. um especially for the mixed use area or commercial areas. How high do we want buildings to be? Do we want to regulate that? Do we want to cap it at a certain level? Things like that. And then there's uh certain aspects that communities typically try to weave into their uh code concerning planned unit developments, PUDs, which is how I believe Kya Park was developed. A PUD is when you kind of make your own zoning. And so it's a negotiated zoning uh with that town for that certain development. It draws from your zoning code, but it's tailored and some rules are adjusted based upon discussions with the developer and the town. So things that

you might want to include in your regulation as part of PDS that you want to definitely see are, you know, requirements for parks, trails, other community amenities, things like that.

So that's a pretty high level overview of the topics we're going to be getting into here with the code update. And so our next step is that we're going to come out to the board of trustees on March 25th and we're not going to have all the code written then, but we're going to have off these different topic areas our thoughts and some discussion about the general direction of where we think the code update is going. Um, so it'll be a longer session than this. We're going to basically go into these different topic areas and discuss what you have or don't have right now in terms of regulation and perhaps a few options for where the code might go going forward. And of course, we'll put forth our recommendation, but we want to hear from all of all of you, you know, especially the board of trustees, but if you all want to attend, that'd be great as well. So, um, Diane, this is not a super long presentation, but, uh, just wanted to cover the topic areas that we're going to be diving into here. And so, I welcome any questions you all have at this point. Well, right now with it being, you know, preliminary, I think

uh not too many questions. I mean, I guess as we go forward, we'll probably have more. And we're going to have another citizen board, right, Diana? What's that now? We're going to have another citizen board input or no? No, this will be um just the board of trustees and you guys and Rick Engineering. Okay. Will be will we'll be going over this. There's not another steering committee or anything like that, right? Yeah. It's he said it's a pretty straightforward simple process for them to do. Yeah. I brought the land of elements. Did you

It It can get complicated, but typically um you can do more cutie outreach like a comp plan with a code update, but most communities don't do that as much because uh for one thing, most people in the community, they have a hard enough time thinking about the stuff that goes in a comp plan like land use planning. This kind of stuff, it goes over the top of folks heads for one thing. And secondly, this is kind of more regulation stuff that it's probably best if the board of trustees and planning commission really gets their heads into it because you're the ones that are going to be using the code on a periodic basis at least, right? And if the town grows more, you're going to be dealing with it more that way. So yeah, it's really a process. Um, essentially we're going to be working on this with you all through June, maybe July. So, we had a session with the b late March the 25th and then we're going to come back with some revisions and and you know probably more of the formal draft of the code update probably by about May and then um there'll be plenty of time for you all to read it and chew on it and so forth. Um to your point uh Mr. chair it since we're not we're not doing a committee we're not doing like broad committee outreach but I I do think I think actually you will need be required to um have this material on the town's website in case people want to learn about it read about it things like that and Diana it might also make sense to at least mention this effort in your newsletters and you know things that go out to the community and stuff

we can do that yeah so I guess besid Guys, just opening up like what questions do you have? I guess the question I might have is so you guys don't see a ton of like site plans or development or resonings come through in a typical year, but I know some of you have been there at least a few years now. Yes. Have you come across any cases where you've run into things where the code has been frustrating to you or where you've seen an area where the code is lacking?

Yeah. Well, we uh well, the last meeting we had was um where we had to change lot sizes and that that one was a little bit I don't know. I think we approved something that if I had to redo again, I might have said no to. And then the RV parks, we've had a meeting on RV parks. So, and there's nothing in really in our wasn't in our code until what last year I think. So something is when we finally got a an RV park added to it. So I think you know it just seems very outdated. Yeah, it's definitely out because it's uh I think it's last time it was updated was 03 I think. I think so. Yeah,

that's a long time. It's a very brief code. It's a very short code. Uh which some people might like but it also when you have things like RV parks come in, you know, you don't have much to stand on, right? So that's why we're here. So RV parks I think is an area of focus. Uh you said changing lot sizes. So I didn't talk a ton about the lot sizes, but it does relate to the density topic. Yep. Are you getting the sense people want to have smaller lots for the development community or Well, I think with uh with our legislature trying to push the uh affordable housing on everybody, then we're getting guys that are coming in hoping to get the incentives to do affordable housing. So

yeah, and we currently have a I think it's 864 square feet is our limited size and that's too much for for some of these people that want to do the smaller homes, right? And another thing would be uh tiny homes. I know we've discussed tiny homes. We have nothing in our code for tiny homes even though it's been passed by the legislature. So Right. Right. Right. That'd be another thing. We'll definitely talk about that. Um, those are all Yeah. things that weren't talked about 20 years ago, 23 years ago. No.

Um, anything with commercial developments come up the last few years that you've been scratching your head on? Uh, not so much. Ever since we've passed the Roberts 81. Yeah, you know, there's nothing else that's really come down to us in regards to commercial, right? Be nice if we did. I think the town definitely needs more commercial. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Um, I went through that fairly quickly. Do you want me to go back over any of this stuff?

Anybody got anything? I can go back. Just kind of anything. on the How about How about landscaping? What have people threw anything unusual out for that lately? Uh, not that I know of. I know we just done a amendment for our fencing, I believe. I don't I don't know. Well, we were working on it with Hope. Did we ever finalize the fencing? I don't think we finalized the I know we were working on, you know, changing our fencing inside of our land development, but I don't think it got updated.

Did you guys have Did you have something in progress you were working on on that? We did. Yeah, we did. We worked quite diligently on our on our fencing, but I don't That's been a while. Yeah, that was when Hope was still here, right? So, and like I said, I think we had it ready close to ready. getting ready to make some final touches and then that was it. Mhm. I don't think we adopted anything, my knowledge. Okay. So, if we could find the old paperwork, that'd be I haven't seen anything that stood out, but I will do some digging. See if I got Yeah, that'd be that'd be very useful because

we don't want to have to start from scratch if you guys have already done a lot of work on it, you know. Yeah, we got right here land development code fences. It's right here. Nice. Yeah. All right. It's a draft. It still says draft. So, that tells you right there. But yeah, we do we did update quite a bit of stuff. Okay. So, I'll get a copy of that if you don't mind. I'll give that to you also, Brit. That'd be great. Um, what about sidewalks? So, this picture here is from Kya Park, I believe,

and it shows attached sidewalks. Have people talked about whether they want to have detached sidewalks or attach or attached? Uh, no. But my personal preference is to have them detached. I think it's a I think it's a little bit more safety in regards to people walking. If they you're walking right next to the curb, you got there's no buffer between you and car, right? Yeah. And it keeps people from parking up on the sidewalk. So, if we had a I mean, if you had a buffer that you could put trees or grass that would help people walking next to highly traffic areas.

And right now, our our our town, I don't know, we got a lot of sidewalks that aren't where they're supposed to be. Drives me nuts. You mean they go to nowhere? Yeah, they didn't put them where they're supposed to. They They just didn't put them where they were supposed to. They're kind of in the street right now. Ah, the street's not where it was supposed to. Yeah. So, it's a touchy subject around here. Oh, okay. Um, how about landscaping? Um, so statewide more and more towns are pushing towards limiting the amount of turf and just limiting encouraging more zeros escaping water conservation which I believe the comp plan did talk about.

Yeah. What's what's the sense you get on that right now? I agree. Especially with the shortage of water that we have and you know this year being a a dry winter is even more of a red to me a red light to say hey you know we got to do something about our water usage. Yeah. Yeah. Especially out here in the plains. I mean we're we're reliant on the Plat River being flowing which right now it only flows because of the waste water that's dumped into it basically. I mean, yeah, the south flat used to dry up until he started and gley started taking their

treated water and dumping it back to the river. So, yeah, I think it's a to me out here in it should be a high topic is to have landscaping in what we allow or incentivize people to do zero scaping. Yeah. How about architecture? Has that ever come up? Maybe not. No, we we this town we destroyed all of our old buildings. We tore them down. I said in this town we tore down all of our old buildings on Main Street and which is kind of heartbreaking cuz we did have some used to have a movie theater. We had we had a lot of old had all kinds of stuff.

Yeah. And it instead of re trying to bring it back to life, we just tore it down and I don't think we even put anything back. Not much. So, giving it some love to architecture would help. Sounds like. Yeah. Okay. Especially in our down Central Avenue would be nice. Or down Main Street in the business district. Yeah. To keep it kind of a I don't know, a small town look, an old town look. Yeah, that was the intent again behind that mixed juice category which I that is the the new the only totally new zoning category I think would probably come about here, you know. Yeah.

Um a lot of the other stuff is going to be adjusting lot sizes and just a lot more on the development standards that go along with the zoning because you know zoning itself is out here fairly straightforward. It's it's all the other regulations that we've been talking about here that maybe haven't been addressed or like fencing you've been working on.

Um, you know, lighting often focuses on avoiding glare, avoiding light going into, you know, adjacent properties. And the one term that's used often is dark sky. So people move out to the countryside here to enjoy the stars, for example, and if there's too much light, we're going to lose it, right? Has that ever come up again in discussion? Yeah, definitely. Right now, I mean, what we have is basic street lights that sit on our REA poles, which do cut into the night sky. I think if we could lower the lighting and put actual lamps.

Yeah. you know, that would still light up your for safety on the sidewalks and streets, but it would also keep the illumination from reaching up from Yeah. being up high down low, right? And another thing would probably be uh I don't think we have anything for mobile home really or manufactured. We don't have any I mean we got our mobile homes, but we don't have nothing really in our land development code that designates, right? There's a there's a little bit. Yeah, it's very small. It's And again, so outdated. Yeah. Right. So the be under affordable housing, but

you could designate this be a trailer. This is for our trailer park. This is for our manufactured homes or whatever. Right. Right. Okay. Um we talked about streets, sidewalks. So any issues with the street widths or how they're designed right now or would you want to explore any modifications to them other than the ones that didn't get put in right? Yeah, I think for the most part they're they're quite large. They're pretty wide in Oldtown they're in Oldtown. In old. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we did shrink them up a little bit, but

I think I think when you got alleys and that to me, it's nicer to have I It's nice to have the white street, especially with everybody parking on the streets. If you go out to the new development and kind of park when they're both parked on both sides of the street, you it's hard to pass each other. Yeah. So, I think they went we went a little too narrow on those. Yeah. Just so we could get more houses. Yeah. Okay. to keep I think we should have a minimum width on street. Yeah. Okay. Okay. You guys feel but I agree with that. We talked about accessory dwelling units

building. Yeah. So we do have we do have setbacks in our existing land developments. 25 ft front, 7 ft side, and and the back is it 15 on a garage that pulls out to the alley. And then other than that, you can also go zero in the back if you want. And they wanted to kind of adjust that when they were doing the act. Yeah. Yeah. But we could definitely go into more detail on setbacks. Yeah. And also setbacks could also be different in different areas of the town as well. Yeah. The setbacks typically can differ between different zoning districts for sure.

Building height, you probably haven't had to really deal with that. But no, you know, like on the Main Street or Central Avenue, I'm sure we'll have some sort of building height limit. You can't go to like five stories or something crazy like that. You know, we don't want a high-rise in Wiggins. No way. Right. higher than women would be a free story. I don't think we have a ladder truck right now that'll reach anything over that. No. No. Right.

Okay. Well, again, this is not a super long discussion tonight, but I just wanted to get your feet wet with what we're getting into here and just hear about some of the things you think are missing that we want to need to focus on. Is there anything else that comes to mind, chair, from the last few years that definitely stuck stood out?

I think we've touched on everything that's come up recently, you know, in the past that we had a hard time hard time with. Okay. Definitely think if something comes up, we can definitely reach out and know Diana or you. Right. Well, hopefully you found this helpful. It's definitely long overdue. That's for sure. Well, yes, we know that. And hopefully this discussion tonight it's helpful to get your head into what we're doing here.

Oh, one thing is the impact fees in a land development code or is that more issue of like the building I mean how do other towns do they have it worded into their land development code or do they have it? They do. Um, now in order to formally set up an impact fee, you have to do like a study on the side and that's something we're not doing. So, we can certainly set it up, but you have to probably do something else with that to get it formally set established. Are you talking about adjusting what you already have for impact fees or just setting it up from the get-go? Uh, we don't really have Yeah, we don't really have impact fees. Not much. I mean, we've we've added the impact fee for the school,

right? Um, we've raised our water and sewer taps, but other than that, we were working on an impact fee. We had we had comps with like town of Hudson, um, Kingsburg. We did get a list of what Kingsburg uses for impact fees. So, I mean, we've been hashing it out. We just haven't really done a lot with it.

Well, at this in this aspect of code writing, we usually write in stuff about like for example park dedications you would provide X percent of a development as park space or a fee in L but we normally wouldn't set up what the actual fee is that's usually a separate thing to be done but certainly to set up legally in the code so you can do all that we can most certainly do and we we do have a fee in L I think we do for parts now don't we? Yeah, we do. Yeah. Which come about with after Kyle Park if I remember right. Probably because they, you know, they had parks on the on their initial plan, but it wasn't actually in the the PUB.

Oh. And that upset a lot of people and they had they showed a swimming pool and all kinds of stuff. And then people moved out and said, you know, where's the swimming pool? And we're like, we're not building a swimming pool. So, it's kind of false advertising a little bit, you know. We kind of got rad over the coals for that. Okay. Um I don't believe we're touching like the approval processes of how you go through and do plats and so forth, but is there any adjustments to the process that you've seen that needs to be looked at? Not that I'm aware of. I haven't noticed anything. Okay.

Yeah. Of course, we haven't had a big development come to us right now either, right? Nothing major. I've not had to really deal with anything yet.

Let me ask you this. like if you've had a development in the last few years, have you when when applications come before the PC or the BO are things figured out in terms of like the development standards and everything else or are things approved with a lot of conditions in terms of getting things approved? Are you having to figure out a lot of things in your meeting or afterwards? Well, that's one reason I got on the board when Kya Park came through is it was basically the board of trustees and the developer. We did have quite a bit of community involvement, but the problem was our board wouldn't listen to us. They were, you know, they basically did what the developer wanted.

So, the town as a as a citizen base really didn't have a say so in what happened with Kaiwa Park. besides voting against the board members next time or whatever. Yeah, that's exactly what happened is once once a new election come about, I got appointed and then we had an election a year and a half later and we we got rid of three or four three or four. Yeah. Three or four did not get back on because of that. So, you know, and we didn't have a land I mean, they weren't even really going by the land development code that we had. It was just basically Stoner, the developer, and the board. And all they could see at the time was dollar signs. So they basically wheeled and deal. Huh. Yeah, they did.

Yeah. Yeah. And that's part of a PUD, it's negotiation. But if, as I was saying earlier with the PUD, if you set up more structure up front, then you can help manage that a bit more coming out of the code. Yeah, that would be great. in case that happened. So So it's not a total free-for-all. Yeah. Because that's kind of how it was. I mean, it was Yeah. Free water taps and sewer taps and free land given away and it was land sold for really cheap and it was it was a mess. So code can't stop all that. To some extent it's politics, but Yeah. It was Yeah. Yeah. I mean, serious politics. Yeah. Yeah. And we didn't have a good manager at the time either. So

Right. What was the So, Kya Park, I've heard the complaints about the parks. Sounds like the streets are a little squished in. They got attached sidewalks. I'm not trying to pick on Kya Park, but that or other development. What else has kind of stuck out the last few years? We've kind of touched on some of them already. I think And I don't think there's any lighting in Kyle Park, is there? There's not a lot. Not a lot. Yeah, I know. I would like more. There's definitely minimal lighting. Um Yeah. Yeah. And I don't remember if that was even that was a we could do that later on but never got it done. Yeah. Yeah. I remember it.

Well, that's what happened with our Calwell Banker development up here on the other end of town in the '9s. There's no street lights period. And then finally the REA did put one there on the corner and then one on this corner I think. Yeah. But there for a while it was just pitch black. I mean there was no lights at all. So, I mean, we've had our issues with developments coming in and we didn't have any nothing in our code to stipulate this is what you have to do. Yeah, definitely. Back to the landscape. I noticed that picture we were looking at from Kya Park and my memory of going through there, there's not a lot of trees on going up and down the street. No.

And obviously trees take water, but at the same time, long term, most people like having shade, right? Yeah, for sure. So, probably beef that up some, I'd say. Yeah, because this town used to be a tree part of the tree city. Really? Yeah. And we've I think we lost stature for a while, but I think we're trying to get it back. So, problem with the trees out in Kya Park. Part of the problem is uh the HOA. Yeah, that's right. Not wanting trees in the front yard. Oh. the HOA didn't want them.

That's what I was told. Oh, whether or not it's there's not a lot of trees out there, that's for sure. Yeah. So, I mean, this could be something, you know, landscaping would be a definite benefit to have in our code and for the PUB. So, Yep. Yep. Okay. Um Okay. Well, this helps. Hopefully, it helps you get your orientation what we're doing here. Yeah, it does. Definitely. Glad to see you. Good to see you again, sir. Um, are you all going to come to the meeting on the 25th? You don't have to, but yeah, I think Yeah, I think I definitely will.

Yeah, just get our head involved in it. So, yeah, I think at that one, you know, we're not going to have like the draft language, but no. Um, we kind of touched upon some of the topics here tonight that, you know, there's little nuggets here and there that'll help steer us, but we may come in and say, well, okay, so for landscaping, here's maybe what Kingsburg Hudson have been doing. Here's what some other towns have been doing. Here's where we think maybe it ought to go and then have a discussion about those. So I Diana I think it probably will be a bit of a longer session um with a lot of pictures you know

probably be a lot lot to I would think there's going to be a decent amount of chew on you know we also uh I did I'm going through what we've worked in the past. Yeah. We did start a landscaping Oh really? Yep. And we do have uh I find it in here. We have parking. We're working on parking regulations as well. Really rough. We got a rough draft of that one. And I think and that was like a couple years ago when Hope was there. Yeah. Yeah. And then we also were working on sign permits for commercial like different sign requirements. Wow.

For signs. So these drafts when you were doing them with hope, did they ever see the light of day? Like did anybody else on the board ever see them or it was just kind of your working group there? I think it was just us if I remember right. So it was you guys and the planning commission with hope. Yeah, correct. Okay. We were trying to get a jump on because we knew the land development code was going to be changing. We were just waiting on getting grant money to do it. So we thought, hey, while we're waiting, let's get a jump on some things. So, well, yeah. I mean, be great to look at all that and uh that's what we got, Diana. If it's too many pages, I can come out and pick up a copy or something. You know,

it's just a tiny booklet. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe maybe 30. Couple hundred pages. Coupleund pages. 350. It's a bedtime story. You wrote yourself a novel there. Yeah. It'll fit in an email. Yeah. Okay. Well, that'd be great to see. Um, did you feel like on parking and landscaping you got far enough where you you really had like what you what you thought you wanted? I think I think we were getting close. Yeah, I think I mean we touched on yard sizes, grass, trees, irrigation systems.

So, all right. Well, It's good to look at and you know we all have our we'll have our ideas from our backgrounds and what we've seen in other towns. So this certainly will help you know see where your heads have been on this stuff the last couple years. Thanks for to a point on this Jeff that the long-term planning thing started so we that's why this got far and quit I believe so did the two-year comprehensive where it was. Yeah, I think we started this or kind of put this on hiatus when we started the comp plan review. Oh, okay. Yeah, I think so. Good information to look at though.

Yeah, there's quite a bit in here. I mean, we got hours on it. So, I haven't seen that any in all my stuff. I haven't seen that. It sounds like uh Hope it all kind of left when Hope left. Yeah, good thing I keep everything. Yeah, that's that's good. You're a paper pack rat like I am. Well, definitely when it comes to government, I work for the government, so we can't throw nothing away. So, or or at least scan it, right? Yeah. Okay. Well, that'll be helpful. I can send that to you tomorrow, Brit. Okay. Awesome.

Okay. Yeah, mobile homes definitely RV parks is becoming a bigger thing. So, I talked about accessory dwelling units. Have you guys had anybody ever talk about that or bring it up as a possibility? We were supposed to tonight. We were That's what we were going to touch on. Yeah, we were going to touch on that and we I had to hold off until the attorney gets back to us. But yeah, we've had we have interest in it, but we just can't present it quite yet. You mean you have a site plan possibly or do application?

In order to present anything to the board, we have to do postings, notices, and we're just not that far in the process yet. We just have um someone interested in converting some property they have with an ADU. Yeah. So, it because you don't have any regulations right now, correct? That's why we're here. Yeah. Unless you're Unless you're saying the attorneys already was drawing something up. Is that No, she's just looking at some of the paperwork that they had. Oh, okay. And then we got to post it for the 30 days and or whatever. Is it 30 days? Yeah. Uh 15.

15 days. So, we can't discuss it until we get it posted out there and let the public know that we're looking to review all accessory dwelling units. Right. Yeah, they're definitely becoming a bigger thing. So, I mentioned that ADUs, some people rent them out. Some many places in Colorado, like in the resort towns, they ban ADUs from being rented out as like Airbnb or VBO, you know,

um, which relates to short-term rentals in general. I don't imagine it's a big issue out in Wiggins, but has it come up in discussion about regulating it? When Paul was still here, we were looking at doing a short-term rental project right over here on the old Rudy's prop. Remember that? They were going to bring in them like construction trailers and

we had nothing we had nothing to to look over on that one. We were discussing having a shortterm it's kind of like uh modular like a modular offices type thing only they were going to be brought in as residential and so it was kind of an issue to go from they were like commercial turning them into residential it's going to be a big deal. Yeah. But then it got I don't know what happened. I think they turned I think they found somewhere else to go either Fort Morgan or so. Yeah. But you didn't It has been brought up. You didn't have the regs in place for that probably. Right. No. No, we didn't. Yeah.

Is there general opposition or or whatever with short-term rentals? Is there any sentiment in the community, you'd say? I haven't heard of much. probably there's not enough to really cause an issue at this point, right? Yeah, you might. Somebody saying something, but right now No, you haven't seen nothing on our Wiggins community page. Yeah. Nothing on Next Door yet. Yeah, nothing nothing showed up yet, but I'm sure it might. Right. All right.

I think we're in I mean, I do feel there could be a need for it. I mean, there's a lot of construction going on out here, and that's usually what does short-term rental is construction or crew coming through, right? And we don't have anything for them. We don't have a hotel for them. So, I mean, I did have someone um come in last year looking for short-term rentals for his crew. Yeah. And they had to go elsewhere. I said, "We don't have anything like that." No. So, they probably went to Morgan or something. Yes, they did. Yeah. Okay.

Well, it's a good start. I think we got a dang good start. What's up? I said I think we got a good start right now. I mean, yeah. Hopefully, we've given you some stuff to chew on. Well, that stuff you uh worked on a couple years ago, definitely something to look at and chew on. Um, we're not just going to take it take it and use it, but we're going to put our thoughts on it, too. But it's certainly once we look at it, I may have some additional questions for you, really. Okay. I mean, and that could just be done by email, I would think, or or we could just talk talk when we come out there on the 25th or something. Yep, we can do that.

So, thank you for coming to that meeting, chair, on the 25th. That'd be great to get you there. Yeah, no problem. Yeah. Okay. Diana, is there anything else? I don't have anything else for you. Okay. I think we're It's a good discussion and uh we're looking forward to the 25th. Thank you very much for your time tonight, Brit. Yeah, of course. Yeah. I guess you have to close out your meeting now, right? We do. Just have a question. You going to go join them now that they've been part of our meeting this whole time or the people you're sitting next to. You going to go hang out with them or

the noise you're getting in the background? Oh, you're talking to me. Yeah. No, I'm going to head home. I had to stop some I was somewhere else and I had to stop along the way and uh Yeah, it's a little louder than ideal. Was it really distracting? No. No, no, not at all. Probably more for me than for you. Yeah, that's why I was going to see if you're going to go join them now or if you're going to head home. I'll probably head home. I mean, yeah, Margarita wouldn't hurt, but I probably should get home to my wife and and son, you know. Well, safe travels. So, another time. Yes. Yes. Uh, thank you for your time and we'll look forward to seeing you in person next time in Wiggins. All right. Sounds good. Thank you.

Thank you, sir. Good night. Okay. Thanks. Have a good one. Bye. Okay. She some I remember just sitting here thinking that hope did a lot of comparisons to other towns what they were doing. Remember that? Yeah, she did. That might be all in there too. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah, she did bring up She tried to look into what other small Yeah. communities were you know I mean some we were like no it didn't work for Wiggins and others we to be in there too. I have found a lot of things from um other towns that were like samples of what they had done. So that's probably part of that. Yeah. I don't remember seeing this anywhere. So Okay. I'm excited to look through that.

Yeah. Just a paragraph or something there. But yeah. Yep. So I'll save that. I won't get rid of it. I'll give it back to you. Oh, perfect. Excellent. Okay. Anything else we need to I think I'm good discuss or I think this is going to keep us busy for a bit. So yeah. Yeah. You planning on going on the 25th? I was thinking about it. Yeah. You know, at least you know, if I remember. Yeah. Yeah. Might have to call me at the office. Oh, okay. No, the office. I generally work till 7:00.

Okay. Well, um I think we can uh adjourn the meeting then. Okay. All right. Time is 8:03. So, planning and zoning commission meeting is hereby adjourned.