Board of Supervisors - Regular Meeting

3:00. Thank you. Um to order. Uh Mr. Williams, would you lead us in a prayer, please? Let us close our eyes in prayer. Gracious God, our father, once again, we are saying the same things, Father, knowing that you is God and Lord above all, Father, now strengthen us. Strengthen us, Father.

God our father once again,

right? Well, grace God our father. Thank you for making us laugh. Father, we we at this building once again, Father, trying to do things for the community for this year county. Father, strengthen us, Father, that the decisions that we have to make that is understood. And father just just help us so we can do good father because we want to do things in your name father that makes father that you look good know it's your representation in Jesus name we all do pray. Amen.

Amen. Thank you Mr. Williams. Um, Chené, would you lead us pledge, please? To the flag of the United States of America, to the republic for it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, liberty and justice for all. Right,

Miss Hammond. Roll call, please. Mr. Williams present. Mr. Bill Harris here. Mr. Kittinen here. Mr. Jesse here. Mr. Don Harris here. All right. A motion to approve the consent agenda would be in order. Also moved. So moved by Mr. Jesse. Second. Second by Mr. Krinen. Roll call, please. Mr. Bill Harris. Yes. Mr. Kittinden. Yes. Mr. Jesse. Yes. Mr. Williams. Yes. Mr. Don Harris. Yes.

All right. Uh, moving right along. Uh, is there any additions or changes to the minutes? Seeing none, hearing none. Um, uh, dispersements on page 20 to 39, payroll on 40 to 44. And next item is recognition award. Is less Hawkman here. Okay. Well, if you see him come in, let me know. Otherwise, uh I need a little direction here from um our county administrator. Should we make the presentation now without him being here?

Let's give him a few minutes, Mr. chairman, he may show up and we can rearrange that agenda. We're waiting on Dan Seagull, our bond council to come into and we'll add him to as he shows up. So, we'll give you the sign when we see. Thank you, sir. Okay. Okay. All right. Uh, I'll open the floor for any public comments. My first public speaker is Thomas Major out of Saluda. Welcome, Mr. Major.

Good afternoon, board members. For any of y'all that don't know me, I'm Trey Major, lifelong resident of Stormmont. My family owns a significant portion of the property that adjoins the old landfill and the thacker property. I've got several concerns about the proposed solar project given my background in hazardous materials. I hope these will be given proper consideration. Uh my concerns are not related to the aesthetics of the project, how it might obstruct my view, whether it fits in the area. These were the primary issues and focus when this board voted down the kit and solar facility in Deltaville. Instead, my concerns center around the potential impact this project could have on the health of the Dragon Run, the local wildlife, the community, and my family's well-being. As of July of 2024, this board was presented with information indicating that the levels of vinyl chloride, known carcinogen and byproduct of the landfill decomposition, were on the rise and had reached their highest levels ever recorded. At that time, the board was presented with mitigation plans from the ARM group, but no action was taken and there have been no follow-up presentation since. This land is set undisturbed for several decades. And now that the levels of the vinyl chloride are rising, it's only takes common sense to recognize that once heavy land disturbance and site work again, the likelihood of increased leeching of these cancer-causing chemicals into our wershed will also increase. After all, the county owns these properties precisely because of the known ground and water pollution from the landfill. My request is simple. Before any further action is taken on this project, I urge the board to require verifiable data showing that the levels of these chemicals are decreasing. Decisions should not be made on the assumption that no news is good news. The county's comprehensive plan also states the Dragon Run is a top resource and should be protected accordingly. I can say without a doubt this project is going to have an impact on the Dragon Run. I hope the board will take these

concerns seriously. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Major Mr. Cardi I do have if Alice Luck was in here she had dropped I'd had gotten this note but I don't think Alice Luck is here so I don't have any more signed in speakers.

Anyone else like to speak? Seeing none, hearing none, I'll close the public comment section and move right into item three, constitutional officers. Treasury report is uh report only on page 46 to 50. Uh commissioner of revenue report only on page 51. And uh I do not uh see Keith Hajes here, so we're going to move that item as well. Yes, Mr. Chairman. I think he was on the agenda just in case he could make it. If he wasn't going to be here this evening, he'll come in October.

Okay. Okay. You might want to educate him that once we put you on a junior, we expect you to be here. That' be my pleasure to do that.

Wonderful. Okay. Moving right along. Uh agency and staff reports. Uh VDOT is a report only. 52 pages 52 53. school matters. There's no report, although I see Dr. Sykes here. Is there any questions for her today? Seeing none, hearing none. Thank you for being here. Uh, moving right along. Um, social services is a report only, pages 54 to 55. And item D is planning update. Dave Cretz. Oh, you were hiding over there. I didn't see you.

Good afternoon. Uh to refresh the board's memory, last month uh we had some presentations that uh related to the wake boat landing and some possible improvements. Um, in relation to that, I noted to the board that there may be the possibility of uh obtaining uh the the necessary permits to do what I call a band-aid dredge at that facility just for the purpose of keeping it open. So, um, at that meeting, I was fairly u, you know, straightforward. If the if the application got to a level that it was too much work for would be generally within the scope of what something I would do, we would turn it over to um you know Rebecca and her group or do what we need to do if the board so saw a fit to go that route. So let me give you an update on what's transpired the past month. So, we know we have a valid VMRC permit. I noted that last month. The only we were told that it would be fairly easy to obtain the uh the core permit, which they kind of go hand inand. You have to have both to to enable dredge it. So in conversations back and forth with the core working with our regulator, it was almost felt it was like a failed episode. We went back and forth as to what submission was. We thought it was as simple as here send them papers and they would say it was okay. I sent information in, they said it was great. I said is this a submission? They said no. So basically what's happened is I've had to take and submit the old materials back in as a

new application with that to make it more complicated. The core has taken over I don't know if any this may be a I'll try to educate everybody quickly on the JPA or joint permit application process since I've gotten here 14 years ago. It's not an easy process, but the way it would you would just download the application, you fill it out, and you upload it to the VMRC site. They would distribute it to the core and all the relative and interested agencies. What's happened now as the core has taken over the application process and there seems to be some tension between the core and VMRC. So long story short, by the time we figured out where it needed to go and by the time we figured out how to enter their they have a portal which I liken very much to the to a smart scale application with VOTE. It's a every question has to be answered. It's not a matter of just uploading a piece of paper and if they have questions they call you back. you have to get through this application and answer each question or it kicks the application out. So, Friday afternoon, I s successfully was able to get something to go into the KOR's portal. At that point, we have a new JPA, a joint permit application number. Um, as according to correspondents coming back, I think they have like 15 days to respond. That may be that they need more information. So that being said, I don't have an answer with respect to the core permit. I know I'm being told that it's going to be fairly easy to issue, but I can't tell you that today because I don't know if somebody's going to jump in and

require some additional information. So with that, I all I can tell you is I'm going to keep going until I have an answer. That's all I can do and let the board decide. Okay, now we have a a permit in place. I have talked to one of the contractors. It sounds like that could be u it might that might be u amanable to that contractor to to go forward with this project. So, um it it looks like things are kind of lining up, but they're to this today they're they're not together yet. Does does anybody have any questions on that or

Mr. Chairman? If I may, I'd like to expand a little bit about on what Dave just said because I think Dave's being polite. U I think you were told it was pretty maybe pretty simple. Maybe I'll use that keyword there as to resubmit something to the core and that they would look at it and try to get something turned around pretty quick. What Dave's not what Dave is doing a very good job of not saying is it's taken him better part of a month just to get the core of engineers to guide him on how to apply. Yeah, let's let's just take a moment with that. So, God bless him. Thank you for doing what you're doing and hopefully they'll get their process smoothed out a little better since they're taking over the whole process, right?

God bless us all. And and to add, I sent a mass email out. I'm still trying to include DWR because that's where we want to go with this. We want to push them into this space. I feel if we lead the way and show them how this can be done until we decide what to really do with this site that if we can maybe grease those skids a little bit, get this part done and then hand it over or maybe even hand it over this time or incorporate them this time into it. Uh you know, we still want to go that route. We don't want to abandon DWR. We want them. They should be doing this, not us. Matt's reiterated that over and over and over again. They're interested in being part of

Yeah, they are at this point. So, they're they're looped in. It was kind of an interesting email because I kind of called out their process. It in the back and forth, I noted to their core regulator that I was having trouble with the portal and he actually joked back and said, "Yeah, everybody is." So, he said they were too. So they hadn't figured evidently the core hasn't figured out their own application process yet either. So I feel I feel a sense of accomplishment just getting something into that portal. So does anybody else have any questions?

Any other questions? Yeah, I don't want to get put the cart ahead of the course here, but this this piece of paper here says the Virginia Department of Wildlife Resources has a contract to maintain the Carlton Road boat ramp in Mil Creek Landing. So, is that not in effect yet or Well, that is part of this grant uh support letter that I'll be covering a little bit in my report. Okay. because I think Ricky and the Ricky Wyatt with VHB and the PDC are ready to submit for that grant and uh before they do they need a letter of well they would like a letter of support from the county and I wanted to seek the county's authorization to send that back.

If that was the case then would this become a moot point? Well, it's going to take a while to process the grant, take a while to do the design work, and then it's my understanding last I spoke with Louiesie and Ricky that we still have considerable amount of input that we can put into those designs. What my recommendation now would be for the board to consider is, you know, you remove the slips from some of the designs, you remove the dumpsters and the lighting and all of those things that the surrounding re areas are concerned about and just get the core infrastructure in place, the very expensive stuff, the earth moving, the BMS, the shelter, so we don't have to dredge every six months on something.

Okay. So, right now we're just looking at basically a stop gap until that time. Yeah. what what Dave's proposing and and God bless him. He was told that it may be something simple where they just need to send a letter and then we can do something and that's not the case. Okay. Um but yeah, Dave's still working on the stop gap band-aid dredge as I called it last month

just to keep the boat ramp open because this grant approach is going to take some time. I mean, we've got a concept sketch and we're going to be changing a lot of that based on what we what feedback we get from the public and hopefully incorporate into a final design. And once again, what my recommendation is is if we move forward with the grant, we get the very expensive core infrastructure done and all those other bells and whistles. If the board chooses or if BWR chooses, they can be added to later, but let's get the core done. Like for instance with Wake having that harbor kind of take form a little bit better to keep that sandbar from just migrating over in front of the boat ramp. That's going to be an expensive proposition. And imputing that, what do you call it, Dave? Where we're going to be digging the sand out of that pit. What's the nautical term for that? this the sand reclamation pit, whatever we're calling it, where we're going to be maintaining the sand that's drifting over against the bulkhead. Uh, that's going to be expensive. So, getting that infrastructure in place, getting that burm in place where machinery can go out onto the burm and track ho that sand out of that maintenance pit, for lack of a better term. That's going to be expensive. And if we can get that done with a grant, we'd be that much further ahead.

Yeah. Yeah. I was just looking at the line. It just said that they're that they have a contract to maintain it. So, I guess the contract isn't isn't uh for this yet for better terms. I'll look into that. I think when we had looked into that in the past, the contract had expired by a few months. They may be renewing that contract if they get this grant. Okay. So, that's kind of what I have to report on that. I was going to cover that under my report, but that's that's one less thing later, gentlemen.

And and to that point, I know DWR has a lease with VOTE to lease that that spot, that property that I don't know if that's what you're referring to or the or an actual contract obligation to Yeah. So, I like to say thank you for all your efforts on it, Dave. Keep going. I appreciate it. And I know you guys are getting calls on it, so we're trying to stay out ahead of it. We're going to I'll keep working at it and if by next month if it if there is more scope to the work I'll have

hopefully have I seem to be on the back side of the reporting curve on this where it' be nicer to have you know we have a short like you say a short news cycle where we have to get reports quickly to you guys. So hopefully I find out something in time that I'm able to go out and find out. Okay, now this is what we need to do if I have to call in help maybe get some prices for that so you guys can you know where you're going with it. That's that's my hopes. Yes, sir. Yep. Thank you, Mr. Cretz. I know you thought that after the dredging project of Broad Creek you'd have some time to relax. Yeah. Sorry that's not the case.

Yeah, this is about the extent of it. I'm going to try to stay on the low slow low down on most of these. But this was at the time it felt like lowhanging fruit and it still may be right. But it in core of engineers world there's nothing really easy that it's just but it's it's part of the the nature of the beast and we'll keep plugging in. So thank you for all you do. Yes sir. Appreciate it. All right. Moving right. Uh we're down to item five. um regular agenda items and A is uh the Constitution week proclamation. Uh Miss Cook, you want to come forward, please?

Thank you, Mr. Chairman, members of the board. Um I'm Carolyn Cook, Middle Sex resident, live in Topping, one of yours. And we are here on behalf of our organization of 140 women actually in Middle Sex, Lancaster, Northland. Um, and you all were kind enough back pre- pandemic to adopt a resolution for us in support of Constitution Week. And we're organizing oursel again like other organizations. It's taken a little while to get back on track with where we used to be. So, we're here again. I would like to compliment you that when you all were approving our resol our proclamation, you all were much nicer about it than maybe some of the guys across the river, which is not surprising to me at all. Um, but it's been Constitution Week since 1955. The D kind of got behind Congress and said, "We think we should honor Constitution Week to remind everybody." And it's the 238th anniversary of the Constitution. So, um, it was passed by Congress, public law 915 is in your letter, and then signed into law by President Eisenhower. So, it predates most of us or most of you all maybe not us. Um, and I have some of my ladies who come here with us. We've got Saluda. Who is where is your district? They live in Wilton Creek to Ardum. Hartfield. Is that a one of our districts? Okay. and then two of our um organizations leaders who came from across the river in Lancaster because they don't have again their people maybe aren't quite as nice as you are. So we're delighted to be here, delighted to bring you the proclamation and hope you'll see fit. I would like to point out we've put um exhibits in the local libraries including Urbana with information about what Constitution Week means. We've put some pocket copies of the Constitution for people to take them

if they want. um because we take it pretty seriously. So, be glad to answer any questions. Questions?

All right. So, we're looking to uh a motion would be prudent for acknowledging the proclamation and it is in your your booklet page 50 57. So it would be in order to uh declare uh the specific dates uh September 7th um September 17th September 17th through the 23rd as constitution week.

Mr. Chairman, I'll uh make a motion that we do uh issue this proclamation constitution week September 17th through the 23rd. Thank you, Mr. Kittin. Motion made. I I just one thing here, the second picture has got um Ashland on it or whatever. Would there be some type of display? That's a That's a different Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. All right. Okay. We have a motion. I need a second. Could you Sorry. Go ahead to your second. I was just going to ask, could we please scroll down to page 57 so everybody can see it on the agenda?

Yep. Thank you. There it is. Yeah, that's for the heritage group. Is there a second? Page 57 and it's on it's on your screen there as well. I'll second it, Mr. Chair.

Second made by Mr. Jesse. Thank you, sir. Any further discussion? Just got one thing. Um, this got to be done each year, I would guess. So, I I don't know. It can be done each year, right? You are correct. This is for one year. This is for this week only. Yep. This is this week only. This year you want to adopt it for forever. No. No. Oh, this year was for one year. No, it is just that's something different. That's that's here in your packet that goes with this information.

Okay. Uh, no further discussion. Roll call, please. Mr. Kinden. Yes. Mr. Jesse? Yes. Mr. Williams, yes. Mr. Bill Harris, yes. Mr. Don Harris, yes. The motion is approved. And if you ladies would like to get be in a photo, uh maybe um Larry would come forward and take a picture. Thank you. I like that. Thank you for passing that. And thank you to your staff who helped us put this together.

Thank you, Larry. You want to come take a quick picture of this group? gentlemen. It's not It's not often we get lovely ladies here to take a picture with. So, take advantage of the opportunity.

Okay. like the ladies in the front. Ladies up front.

Okay.

Think we can see all nice and tall. Thank you so much. Okay. Back up, boys. Scroll. Scroll up a little bit. Thank you. That's good. Okay,

here we go. Back at it. uh regular agenda items. Uh item B is the heritage committee presentation uh by Basada White that's in your booklet on the far right hand side folder. Good afternoon everyone. My name is Poseida Cawthon White. I'm with the heritage committee and I'm here with our longtime collaborator. Where did he go? Dr. Dave Brown who is a co-director of the Fairfield Foundation and I think our member Hie Holmes is in the audience as well. So this is for the most part anformational report. There is one action item that we have, but we wanted to we've been very very busy since we last spoke with you. And so we wanted to bring you up to date on some of the things that are going on. You may remember that um in May of 2023, I guess it was, the Heritage Trail was unveiled down at Cook's Corner. And uh we were tasked with um creating signage uh that would uh adorn the heritage trail. And we found out that that was um more than just creating signs. It was quite a bit of research. And that's when we collaborated with Fairfield foundation. And uh we've been working very very hard with them many many meetings probably 25 or 30 meetings I've lost count um and they did the research we did the research we collaborated and we have u put our heads together and come up with six substantive signs that would be on the trail and the trail is to tell the African-American history of

Cook's Corner so there's one on education religion civic engagement health entrepreneurship ship and recreation. And then there's an introductory sign that has a map and that kind of thing. And so we are just this morning we met on the trail to look at how we would space the signs on the trail and we put some designations there. And so we are really in high hopes that the um signs will be installed certainly before the end of this calendar year. So we're really excited about that. And I sent to Miss Hammond uh just later on. She has um a picture that we can show you of a similar sign. I think it's one in Ashlin, Virginia. And then uh we've given you a sample of one of our signs that I think it's the education sign. So I would be happy. Is there anything else, Dr. Brown?

So I would be happy to respond. We would try to respond to any questions you have about the Heritage Trail Science. is the heritage trail signs as you said there would be six on the trail. Is that correct? Yes. And you have a main one at the beginning of the trail. There's an introductory sign that announces the trail and we'll have a map and um talks about the briefly about the heritage committee Fairfield the creation some of the historical context. Yes.

And then the six substantive areas are the ones that I mentioned. I think what you have in front of you is the draft of the uh education sign. And um what about on Route 33? Um we had not talked I don't think about a sign on Route 33, but if there should be one then that's something.

Yes sir. Um, in some of the previous conversations, the idea was to start with the trail signs and then to focus on how to get directional signage that brought greater attention to the trail. And so, we've talked about it with Matt and we've thought through first the choosing of the color schemes for the signs that will be on the trail and then trying to have something that complements those as a secondary buildout of the overall scheme so that folks don't think it's just a commuter parking lot or anything. it's actually a trail head and that using signage on the main road would help essentially advertise and bring people to it who are looking for it or who just stumble upon.

Okay. So, I'm I'm confused a little bit. Have clear that up for me. So, is that part of what you what y'all's group is going to do is the eventuality of looking at signage on 33 as well? If the county would like assistance with it, we would be happy to provide it. um and technical assistance with it, whatever would be necessary. It was not part of the original agreement, but we don't want that to stand in the way of having good connectivity between the community and the trade. Okay. The original agreement though did not specifically say how many signs you were going to put where, at least of what I'm aware of. In the previous update,

when you speak to the original agreement, we provided funds for signage and particularly for the heritage trail andor whatever else that you guys may deem um necessary. My only point to the whole thing is we're trying to market the Heritage Trail for tourism opportunities um uh with a variety of sources to do that and um for me not being as GPS savvy as I should be uh I tend to rely on signage. So when I drive by and see that it would indicate to me, um, well, I think I'll go in there and look at that. So I think we may be missing opportunity without some sort of discussion of signage on 33. Doesn't have to be as large as the signage on the um, you know, the beginning of the trail, but I would I would think that would be something you'd want to think about as well.

We're happy to. Absolutely. Okay, questions. You made mention of uh a request. What what does that entail?

So the request I must have missed that following. Um you may recall also that uh we have been working on historic designations for the St. Clair Walker building and this is something been a three or four or five year process actually. And uh so in um the 2024 St. Walker high school district was put on the nash on the Virginia landmarks register and it's Slair Walker district in that it includes the Rapahhanic Central property across the road. Uh just this year in the spring of this year um that went to national and so St. Sinclair Walker School has been placed on the National Register of Historic Places. The National includes the Sinclair Walker side of the road and not the um Rapahhanic Central. So our request to you and you have I think in your packet the um the URL to the site to read about it. I think you may have that printed out as well. Um that describes the designation. I think that be brings us to three designations in Middle Sex County. Christ Church, the Saluda Historic District, and now Singlet Walker. Um, so our request is that we would like to put metal plaques or bronze plaques on the building, the original Sinclair Walker building that's now the uh Cooks Corner House um Cooks Corner Office Complex. And so we've sent you examples of what those plaques look like. We'd like to get one for the national designation and one for the state designation. So

be placed on the administrative building which was the building. Yes. Correct. Pardon? I say correct. To put signs on the St. Clair Walker. Yes. Administrative building. Yes, that is correct. That is our request. Okay. Is there any chance of going going back and trying to get the property across the street included in the National Register as well? Um I'm going to defer to Dr. Brown on that one.

Um sometimes the state's historic preservation office and the National Park Service don't agree. Um 99% of the times I've seen it across my 30-year career, they do. In this case, um they didn't think that there was enough integrity for the campus on the south side of the road because most of the classrooms were torn down. Um it's the cafeterium which is really both a gem and an amazing piece of architecture, but also part of a larger ensemble of buildings that is one of only a handful that remain. And so the park service got really hung up on that for reasons that the representatives in the state of Virginia who are in charge of verifying whether or not something is worthy for the list um didn't find a hangup at all. So in this point I'm applauding our representatives in Virginia for recognizing its history and integrity. But it may take a changing of the guard at the National Park Service. Okay,

which is not correlative to anything currently in politics. It's just age and people have specific opinions at this stage. So, so maybe 10 years from now we could go back and ask for an addendum that's been done before. I've done that as in my professional career and it might be included. Um, but yeah, I'm proud of the state for recognizing the uh the southern campus. So, we're looking at three brass plaques, two for state and one for the national two brass two brass plaques. flags, one for the one for the National Register of Historic Places and one for Virginia Landmarks Register.

And if my memory serves, you were thinking maybe putting it on this corner of the building right here, but but the building the building across the street is a state landmark. Can we get a state plaque to put on that is what I'm wondering. Well, that that certainly certainly that could be a third plaque. Yeah, that'd be a great idea. Yeah, because the cafeterium is really a quite fantastic building. Yes, you could put a plaque on that, but it would just be the state plaque as you had mentioned. Okay. And does uh these two plaques fall under um your budget that you have for signage? Um we can make it.

Yeah, that's answer I'd like to hear. Thank you very much. Uh, I I'll just give a comment. I think the cafeterium across the street um not to say that it should or it shouldn't have some sort of designation, but we're still as a county um evaluating what we want to do with that building. And I know there's some restrictions if it's on the historic rest uh registry of what you can do and what you can't do there if it's a historic landmark. Yes, sir. Speak to that. I'm happy to. I didn't want to interrupt. No, go ahead. Um, so the designation at the state level because there's no correlation with local zoning. Okay.

Um, does not put any conditions on the use unless unless the county wanted to pursue funding that would be supportive from the state process of restoration. Yes. So, it's carrot and stick, but you know, you don't ask for the carrot, you don't get the stick. Okay. Okay. I got you. Okay. That may be the quote of the month right there.

Um, that's good to know in our deliberations and discussions of what we may or may not want to do with the cafeterium. So, thank you very much for both of you being here today uh and your explanations to our questions. We appreciate that greatly. Anything else y'all want from us today?

Um, well, we want that permission, of course. And then the other thing was justformational. We wanted to just let you know that the heritage committee has appreciate that very busy also with programming and so it often seems like the northern end of the county is forgotten for cultural and humanities kinds of things. And so we did have a program um back up in November I guess that we held at Union Shiloh Baptist Church that was to celebrate African-American heritage and history in Middle Sex County. And one of our own Dr. Randph Latimore uh used to be superintendent of schools a couple of places in the area was the keynote speaker. That was highly successful. We've shared with you the press release and the program and all from that. And then we partnered with a number of organizations including Fairfield foundation. Uh we were funded by Virginia Humanities in part to do a Junth program in which we were able to discover that more than 80 men, African-American men fought in the Union Navy and the Union Army and the United States Color Troops during the Civil War. And so we had a wreath laying ceremony. with Blade Reese at Grafton Baptist Church, First Baptist, Harmony Village and Antioch and um celebrated that achievement. So, we just wanted to let you know that we have been busy.

Thank you very much for all that information. I found it quite interesting in reading some things that I didn't know. So, thank you uh for that as well. Uh I would like to say somebody could appreciate uh the Heritage Committee and Battlefield Foundation for all the hard work and that you have done in Middle Sex County here. Just thanks absolutely for that. Absolutely. A motion would be in order to approve the placement of two signs on the administrative building. I so move. So moved by Mr. Jesse. Second. Second by Mr. Williams. Any further discussion? Roll call, please. Mr. Jesse. Yes, Mr. Williams. Yes, Mr. Bill Harris. Yes, Mr. Kittinden. Yes,

Mr. Don Harris. Yes. Motion's approved. Thank y'all for coming. Thank you so very much. And let me just make sure that we're straight. So then, are we free to uh with our advisors and consultants figure out the placement on the building or do we need to come back for your guidance on that?

Uh Mr. Walker, you got opinion? I I think we could work with them. Administration uh could work with them on placement. We had talked briefly about it in a committee meeting with the historic marker being uh located by the sign for the uh Cooks Corner office complex. Some place in this area may be good idea, but we'll work with Dr. Brown that the Heritage Committee. Yeah, we we'll find a good place for it. Please work with Mr. Walker on that. Thank you. Thank you very much. Y'all have a great day. Thank you.

Kevin, agenda, please. Yeah, I'm trying to get to it. There we go. Okay, there we go. Okay. Uh, contract item C 5C, contract approval, Attech Solutions, Inc. for JDR office space. Mr. England.

Yes, sir. Mr. Chair, members of the board, thank you for the opportunity to be before you today to ask about this contract award. I did want to recognize Miss Diana McKinnon is in the audience today. She is the clerk of the J&DR courts and uh this is a project we're doing for her. Um they brought this to the administration's attention before my time here. um and it was able to get into the budget and now we're at the point where we have put a plan together and uh put it out for a bid and we received bids for that. So in your packet uh on page starting on page 58 is the summary. Um, and just to recap, we did put the IFB on the street July 10th, and it's for improvements that include removal of an existing interior wall to enlarge the space for the J&DR clerk's office uh to create some more space for file storage and and for office functions. Um, construction will be uh planned to be completed over a two-eek period. Uh, they're able to relocate while we do that. Uh and we certainly will coordinate um with the sheriff's office uh court security folks and the rest of the occupants in the building to minimize disruptions. Uh funding for the for the project uh is in the appropriated FY26 budget. Uh we did receive two bids when we opened them on August 7th. Uh the low bidder was tech solutions at 30,6337. Uh what I'm asking for you today is uh for approval of a standard contract and purchase order for administration to to sign that um for awarding that to Air Techch Solutions for 30,6337 so that then I can work with them to schedule and get this done hopefully before the end of October.

Completed by October or started in October. I'm sorry in here. Completed by the end of October. Okay. That's our goal. Wonderful. Good. And you're in agreement and our county attorney is in agreement to use um Air Techch Solutions. Yes, Mr. Chairman. I mean, well, I'm in agreement in the sense that I've reviewed the proposed contract. That's what I'm asking. Oh, yes, sir. Yes, sir. I have. I've reviewed it. Chip and Amry and I've worked on it and um I think it's ready for your review. Any further questions for Mr. England? You can

help us with a motion. Absolutely, Mr. Harris. Um, so the it would be appropriate for the board to um authorize staff to execute the Airtech the contract with Air Techch Solutions, Inc. for the amount of $30,63327 for the um renovations to the JDR Clerk's Office in the Middle Sex County Courthouse. So moved. So moved by Mr. Bill Harris. Second. Second by Mr. Kittin. Any further discussion? I'll call ahead.

Um and and the purpose behind this is to enlarge the space in the office. Yes, sir. Mr. W. They uh their space currently is limited. Uh this is expanding or take an interior wall down to combine that space with an adjacent uh room that's a attorney client room that's not being used currently. Okay. Okay, for a call for the for the vote on that. Um, just a housekeeping issue. We do not like change orders. So, we need to live within that 30 30,633. Yes, sir. Number correct. You know that, correct, Mr. I do. We will do our absolute best.

Just thought I'd remind. No f seeing no further questions. Uh, roll call please on the motion. Mr. Williams. Yes. Mr. Bill Harris. Yes. Mr. Kittinden. Yes. Mr. Jesse. Yes. Mr. Don Harris. Yes. Motion's approved.

Mr. Chairman, if you'll allow me a little latitude, Deanna, I know you've been very patient. This has been a while in development. I think you're going to have a beautiful office when it's done, and I'm glad we were finally able to get there. Now, having said that, I hope to never be in there for any reason. Thank you for being here today, by the way. Okay, moving right along then. Maybe we need to take a break. We seem to be ahead of schedule, right? Well, don't worry. I'm up next.

I know. I know. I jinxed myself, right? Shouldn't have done that. Uh uh let's move on to item 5D, resolution R202508, opioid settlement. Settlement. Uh Ann Marie Ricardi. And I'm I'm going to jump in for Miss Amarie if that's okay, Mr. Chairman. That would be fine. Um if Amory, could you pull up the resolution please though, so the board can see that.

So as the board will recall, we've been we were before you last month as well. Um as more and more of these companies go through the bankruptcy process, they are joining this national bankruptcy class that the states are involved in, the attorney general's office notifies us and says, "Hey, we've got another one." um in order for you to receive a portion of those proceeds, you have to adopt a resolution and then I execute documents on your behalf. And so this is just like we did last meeting. It's another small company, but every little bit counts. And so it's the exact same resolution. We've just inserted another corporation into it. And we are recommending and asking that the board please adopt resolution R2025-00008. This now includes and you can see the list. There's I I like to call them the A through Z's uh companies there, but we would ask that you please adopt it so that I can sign the additional legal paperwork and um then Amarie will receive settlement funds and she um we're only allowed to spend those on very specific items and um and we follow those rules strictly. Happy to answer any questions. Any questions or discussion? Seeing none, hearing none, a motion would be in order for R 2025-00008 on opioid distribution funds.

So moved by Mr. Wayne Jesse. Thank you, sir. Second. Second by Mr. Bill Harris. Any further discussion? Roll call, please. Mr. Bill Harris. Yes. Mr. Kittinden. Yes. Mr. Jesse, yes. Mr. Williams, yes. Mr. Don Harris, yes. Motion's approved. All right. Uh, let's see where we are here. Landfield solar update and recommendation. Anmarie Ricardi, pages 83 to 94.

All righty, I'll try to tackle this one. Um, back in April, we issued a request for proposal for a solar lease opportunity. This was because we'd been, it had been previously suggested that um, the landfill would be a great place to have a solar facility. Oh, there's magic happening. Um, got to block him a few here. Um, that's okay. I knew you were trying to bring him up. Okay, I'll wait. I'll wait. No worries. Um anyways, uh we issued an RFP. We received two proposals. Um CI Renew and Dominion were our two proposals and they were both rather they were rather complicated. Came back to the board. We said, can we get Berkeley Group who helped design the request for proposals? Can we get them to help us evaluate the responses? And they did. They actually gave us a it's approximately like 10 pages or so um response of why they would recommend Dominion over CI Renew. Um the committee which included me, Chip, I'm sorry, me, Chip, and Mark. I forgot who was in there. Me, um Chip England and Mark Longest. Uh we reviewed what the Berkeley group said along with what our thoughts were and still agreed that based on everything appearances everything that was in there Dominion would they be the best group to partnership forward with a solar facility lease opportunity. Um, we certainly don't have enough at this time to um, bring forth a contract of course, but we wanted to get permission from the board to at least begin negotiations with Dominion Energies to lease the landfill and the property for solar energy development.

And Mr. Chairman, we have U. Michael Zer online with us from the Berkeley Group. We did ask him to attend remotely. I believe he's in North Carolina. So, um, we thought, you know, instead of having him come up, but he he is there and he is. Um, Michael, I didn't know if there's anything you'd like to add to Amarie's presentation before the board has questions. Um, can you all hear me? Okay. Yes, sir. Loud and clear.

Great. Excellent. No. Um, it was a pleasure to work with the county and and staff on the RFP and then evaluation of the responses. Um, I'm happy to to walk through any any of our evaluation. Uh but I think it was readily apparent um especially once we asked follow-up questions uh of of the two respondents that Dominion of the two responses presented the the most compelling proposal for the county to consider um both financially but but I think ultimately from a performance standpoint as well given their experience.

Okay, questions. I have one. Uh, that's probably not truthful. I probably have more than one. Okay. Um, I understand there's been a change at the federal level on um as it pertains to solar farms. Um, and that some of the subsidy subsidies that were available are no longer available. Um, can you comment on that?

I can and and we addressed this principally on if you have our memo that was updated on August 27th and this uh was something that was referenced in CL Renew's proposal uh originally and and we asked follow-up questions and they provided some response to that. So, we do address that in several spots. Um, on page two, we've struck through some original information regarding the price proposal offered by CL Renew and provided updated information that's underlined there and also address that on pages three and four of our memo. But essentially um due to the big beautiful bill act, the one big beautiful bill act um there will be tax credits that are being removed um from projects uh that were offered by CL Renew and and similar companies. Uh essentially that investment tax credit was a 30% investment tax credit. um based on the additional information provided by CL Renew since that goes away since they lose that tax credit um their offered lease rate is essentially cut in half which we calculated would would reduce their original proposal um would have netted a total of $2,824,319.95 in lease payments and that would be reduced to only1,412,160 uh dollar. Originally, CL Renew's financial package was more compelling, was higher than what Dominion offered, but with that change, it reduces the

value of their lease payment package uh to less than what Dominion has offered.

Followup to that question. um cleared up for me in my own mind because I know the bill passed but my understanding that it didn't it doesn't go into effect until 20 some time frame 2026 and I'm not sure exactly what that is correct me if I'm wrong on that and secondly my understanding was if your project had got started or you had gotten the equivalent approvals etc etc that you still would be subject to um the 30% um or or not be uh with the 30% decrease. Uh am I correct on that or not correct on that? you you are um and I'm not too up to speed on the timeline, but you you are correct that there is a grace period, a horizon during which projects that are in process likely would benefit continue to benefit from the tax credit. But our understanding is given where we are in the process and the timeline that CL Renew does not expect to um to to proceed with development, permitting, etc. within the time period that would allow them to benefit from the tax credit. Hypothetically, if this if we were having this conversation a year ago, uh that wouldn't be the case, but perhaps would not be the case. But given where we are now in the timeline, uh they don't they do not expect to be able to advance any project to the point where they would benefit from the tax credit before it expires.

Okay. Contractually, if uh there's some continuation on that, etc., etc., how would that affect their contract? um with the lower amounts uh from uh um 2,ion824 to a million412. Do you see where I'm co coming from with this? If they're going to get the tax credit, can we put the language in such that that we benefit from that as well? Well, I if you elected to negotiate with CL Renew over Dominion, my expectation is, and I I I couldn't guarantee this, but I I would presume that they would not be interested in in memorializing a contract that benefited from the tax credit if they didn't have a a a strong sense that that they could perform to that requirement. Um, I I don't know that, but I I would not, if I were in their position, memorialize a an expectation that they would benefit from the tax credit if they had high confidence that they couldn't perform. Hypothetically, though, you know, I can imagine, and I'm not an attorney, but I could imagine that we could come up with language, uh, there could be language that accounted for that reduction. But um you know I I don't know if they would agree with that if you elected to negotiate with them versus Dominion.

And your recommendation is Dominion, correct? Given everything that's on the table. Uh yes, sir. Well, I I would think uh it'd be prudent for you to at least discuss what that means for Dominion or not. um from a lease standpoint, you know, and for the total payout. Um yes, sir. And I would just add Dominion has not indicated any impact to their proposal from the loss of the tax credit.

Okay. Okay. All right. Any other further questions? So, we need a motion to pursue with Dominion uh through you guys in the county. Is that the motion? I believe what we're looking for, Mr. Chairman, and Michael or Amory, weigh in if you have some other thoughts. is that um we would like to have authorization to direct staff um to engage the Berkeley Group to assist us in and begin negotiations with Dominion Energy to release excuse me I apologize to lease the landfill and the property for the solar energy development Matt any contract

and develop a contract yes and I would add to uh Mr. uh majors concerns during public comment. I could ask Resource International to attend our October meeting to give us an update. They're kind of due to give us a update on the uh status of the landfill and the monitoring uh going on. We've had recent good news on our test results, so we probably need to bring them in and have them speak to that.

Well, I'm glad you brought that up because I quite frankly didn't write it down, but it was part of my question process, too, which was yes, we absolutely need to do that. uh because Mr. Major made a comment that uh the levels had risen to the highest that it ever has and I'm not aware of that from from the briefing that we get from the group that comes in and tests that it we would be monitoring a lot more frequently because if if you have a hit as they call it or a higher result, right, you have to monitor more frequently. We'll bring Resource International in to speak to it. And uh that way you'll have all of that information along with hopefully a contract after we get it negotiated in October.

And after the contract is negotiating before we approve it, it would go to public comment. Correct. Would not. Yes, it would. We would be leasing it. So yes. So the way that would work is um Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So, in October, we would bring the contract back to you. If the board said you were on board with it and you then we would need to also send it to public hearing. Now, we can either have it at public hearing in October or November. Um, that's really the board's pleasure. Would you like to see the contract first and before you authorize it going to public hearing or would you like to kind of do them in tandem?

What's the rest of the board members flavor for that? you'd like to see it. Okay. So, break it up. That's absolutely fine. So, in October, we'd present you with the contract. If you are in agreement, you would direct us to send it to public hearing. Um, and then in November, you could execute. Gotcha. And and I I assume that part of the the permitting process would be to get DEEQ's approval as far as Dragon Run and that sort of thing. Oh, yes, sir. Yes, sir. DEEQ will be our new favorite abbreviation. Um, excuse me.

Oh, um, Mr. Cretz is also reminding me that there is also a zoning component to this as well. Um, but this is all stuff that want, for example, it if Dominion after it does all of its research and determination and studies that it's actually going to go forward, we would have to talk about there'd have to be an application for a special exception. Special exception, right? But that's like about eight carts before the horse. We're not there yet. Let's let's first get to a place where we um have a ground lease to even start to review the project and vet it to see if it's going to be viable. Okay. So, help us with the motion, please.

Uh a motion to authorize staff to engage with the Berkeley Group and negotiations with Dominion Energy to lease the landfill and that property for a solar energy development project. So move. So moved by Mr. Jesse. Thank you, sir. Second. Second by Mr. Krennan. Thank you, sir. Any further discussion? It is important to have that information on um the monitoring information that we have as well. That's major important. Yes, sir. Okay. Any further discussion? Roll call, please. Mr. Krennen. Yes, Mr. Jesse. Yes,

Mr. Williams. Yes, Mr. Bill Harris. Yes, Mr. Don Harris. Yes. The motion to move forward uh is approved.

Okay, Miss Ricardi, you're still on hot seat, please. Uh surplus surplus miscellaneous items 95 and 96. As you know, we continue to clear out that building back behind um uh over in over in the CC, excuse me, the CCO area. Um I don't want to be seen as just discarding things without having the board approval. Therefore, what we have in front of you today is two sink basins, one typewriter living file cabinets and one highfrequency transmitter. Um, we will pro, uh, based on the condition of these, we will probably put them in bulk on uh, gov deals, see what goes. Um, the last time we put stuff out there, I think we did get a low bid or a high bid that was about $50 on something. We're not going to get much, and if we don't get anything, we'll just take them either to the metal uh, surpluser or to the landfill. Um, but anyway, at this point, we just request that you declare item surplus and authorize staff to dispose of them appropriately.

Question, keep bringing these back. Emory, is it true? I heard a rumor that Hemingway used that typewriter. I don't know if that would affect our bids we may get, but I just wanted to ask that. Is that rumor true? It's only what we've heard. Okay. So, we're going to uh empower you for the surplus miscellaneous items to do fit with how you see to do fit with those. Okay. Do we need a motion for that? Yes, please. Okay. Somebody make one. So move. So moved on the motion by Mr. Williams. Second.

Second by Mr. Krennan. Any further discussion? Seeing none, roll call, please. Mr. Jesse, yes. Mr. Williams, yes. Mr. Bill Harris, yes. Mr. Kittinden, yes. Mr. Don Harris, yes. Motion approved. Okay. Um, Amarie, still citizens appointments, please.

All I have, excuse me, all I have is two vacancies. Um, and one's in Jamaica district, one's in Pinetop district, and I don't have any applications for approval at this time. And I without going to that page, the um planning commission is for the uh Pinetop district. Is that correct? Okay. You I wanted to make a correction. Yes, there are two open positions for a planning commission. I only listed one, but there are two. Is the second one in the Pinetop as well? Yes, both of them are Pinetop. No, no, no. Pinetop's up there. is there

just Mr. Chairman is whispering in my ear you have a vacancy in the Saluda district for planning commission yes saluda saluda district that was who that uh Gordon Gordon White Gordon Jones Gordon Jones okay y planning commission there all right great Okay. And I don't think we try to match it with the district of who left, but that's not We don't necessarily have to do that.

Oh, do we? Okay. Okay. All right. Wonderful. Um item six, administrative updates, cigarette tax report only, page 98, staff report only, page 99 105. Uh and item C is loan agreement to the EDA Sans Anderson Dan Seagull pages 106 159. And Mr. Chairman, I'll introduce Dan. Uh for those of you who haven't met Dan yet, I think most of you have. Dan Seagull's our bond council.

Yes. With Sans Anderson and Associates. He's been with the county longer than I have, and we're really happy to have him back. He and Trent, Heather, and I have been working on the loan documents, mostly Dan, and that's good. We know they're legal and right. And uh Dan's here to talk to the board about that, and we'll move on. Yes, sir. You have the floor.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Um, you have a resolution before you that would um and it's on the screen that would approve the loan to the EDA. Um our instruction was to prepare loan documents and um with the deed of trust, a promisory note. Um we did an assignment of leases also as security and um the the the structure is really just a million dollars for this portion of the marina property. Um it's a sort of an unusual structure because um the whole marina property is going to be bought first by um the a family but it's a family-owned LLC DBDE LLC and then they're going to then convey Is it not on? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Is I'll just get closer. Sorry about that. I should scream. I don't know what's wrong with me. It's my quiet little voice. But um but the structure is very unusual because they're getting the main marina property first to this LLC and then the LLC is going to convey it to the EDA. In the meantime, you've got this million-doll loan that's going to be used to purchase the whole property. Um, and it's all going to be done through a settlement simultaneously. Um, and we'll have the county will have a deed to trust on the EDA's property and an assignment of leases of all rentals and any any kind of income and a note from the EDA that is right now we've it's it's set for the way you've discussed it with a

1% interest rate. That's correct. um over 25 years with the first two years being with no interest acred or charged and then after the two years is up on the third year you start paying the principal and interest sort of an level amortization almost um but I'll be glad to go through details of it which I've already just done but if you want to go through details of the documents um and I'll be glad to have answer any questions that we on the documents that we prepared.

Uh I just have a maybe one question. Uh the documents uh I was surprised at the length of the documents involved in this. That being said, it seemed a little bit backwards to me not being an attorney in that the EDA and the county would have taken total possession of the property and then it conveyed to the second uh group, the LLC. It was surprising to me that now it looks like we're going to take care of that first and then the county and EDA comes in behind that.

I am right with you, Mr. Chairman. It's a very unusual structure. Um, you know, we we work with what we were given, which is apparently that was the deal from the marina seller. Okay. Um, like I'm I'm totally with you. I think it's a very unusual structure and we and we the reason the documents are as voluminous as they are when we get paid by the word. You knew that. No,

just you'd have been better off not saying that. Go ahead. but it's also to protect the county as clearly as we can. So, what we tried to do is put in a lot of um requirements in the loan agreement and the deed to trust that really put the county um give them a lot of options for control if things happen down the road since you're giving sort of a you know, it's obviously a very sweetheart nice financing for the EDA and for the property. But that's a really good question. Well, thank you for answering that. It just was a little perplexing of me. Um, I'm with you.

But I get it. Um, and we'd absolutely want to protect the EDA and most importantly the county on this transaction for sure. Well, I I think it's important. I just want to make sure I'm real clear here, Dan. He wrote this for protection for the county. The EDA has their own Yeah. The EDA has separate council. We're not representing the EDA. Yeah. So I I just want to be real clear that good what Dan worked with is what we were told by the EDA was the deal that was negotiated. Okay. And I spoke with Trent briefly this afternoon. The EDA adopted all of their required resolutions or at least here to four of what's required yesterday at their meeting.

Yeah, that's what I understand. And their and their resolution by the way is very similar and has all the same documents. So apparently they've already acted according to Trent. Let's just get to the point. You feel confident Middle Sex is protected as best we can. You know, we're I think it's I think we've structured this so that the the county has, you know, if the EDA does something strange, the county can can stop it. Um so you I I think so.

Thank you. Any further questions? Okay. Um I assume we need a motion for approval of R2025-010. Is that correct? Motion to adopt the resolution and authorize um the execution of the loan documents, please. All right. So move. So moved by Mr. Bill Harris. Second. Second by um Mr. Krittin for R2025-010 resolution. Any further discussions or questions? Seeing none, roll call, please. Mr. Williams? Yes.

Mr. Bill Harris? Yes. Mr. Kittinden? Yes. Mr. Jesse? Yes. Mr. Don Harris? Yes. Motion's approved. And thank you, sir, for being here. Thank you, Dan, for coming. Really appreciate it. Mr. Chairman, I only have a couple of other items for the board's information tonight. Uh, and with your pleasure, I'll go ahead and get into those. Yes, please.

All right. U, so segueing from the marina loan, which um, again, thanks to Sans Anderson, I think we got a pretty good document that's going to allow for a very creative approach to support the EDA on this project. Uh, I am recommending the board consider holding a joint work session with the EDA. It's the other thing Trent and I spoke about this afternoon sometime early to midocctober. We have a joint work session already scheduled with the school board. What I'm going to do is ask Chennai to try to get with you all, get with your schedules for the early part of October, mid part of October, so we could work with Trent and Kelsey on the EDA schedule so we can try to have a joint work session on that. Not just for the marina property and discussion of that, but potential discussions on the Latimore property. We're going to be getting our RFPs in hopefully by October 20th and we'll be able to brief you a little bit on some of the preliminary questions we've had on that. Yes, Bill,

that um we'll probably would be discussing the property in Locust Hill before then.

Your timing is perfect because that was the other reason I was suggesting the joint work session. uh we own the uh battery storage property there at Harmony Village now and uh I think it was the board's intention to work with the EDA on a partnership with that and that was one of the driving reasons why I was suggesting a joint work session to talk to them and uh see if we can all come together and decide what the vision is for that property. It's my understanding some of it's encumbered with some easements for the construction of the battery storage, but there's a portion that's available to run and go with right now and uh maybe get the board and the EDA together, see what visions we have would be in order. Okay, let's talk about just some restrictions on date.

Okay, our board next uh board meeting is um the 7th of October. The 14th is a joint meeting school board and um at the high school at five o'clock. My preference would be uh sometime either the week of the 20th or the 27th. Um and no Fridays. How about the 21st? That's a Tuesday. Yes, can you handle seeing us three Tuesdays in a row?

Are you okay with a Tuesday? Okay, Reggie, you okay with a Tuesday? Okay, Wayne, and it could be either Tuesday if y'all comfortable with both. That way you can give the EDA two choices because we're going to be working with them, too. We'll let the media know which one it will be when we know. Okay. Yeah. Okay, that works. October 21st and then October 28th as a backup. Okay. Okay. Okay.

So, the 21st is 21st and and I'd use your backup date as sometime that week. 27th. No. Yeah. Oh, sorry. No, somebody was saying 22nd and then he said 27th. No, 20th is Monday. Okay. 21st. Yep. I'd be good with that. Okay. So, let's be very clear because I hear four different dates. Again, we're proposing October 21st. The board has agreed to the 21st as a primary date. Okay. And what's the alternative?

The alternative is either Monday the 20th or Wednesday the 22nd or Thursday the 23rd. That should be a plenty. I'd say with that many dates, uh, Chennai could work with Kelsey and get the EDA. We have one of our EDA members here with us tonight. Is here and are we thinking morning or afternoon? Jo, that was my next question. What's y'all? Morning or early afternoon? Reggie, you'll probably be affected by your bus schedule, right? 11:00. Wayne, you okay with that?

I guess I can be flexible. What's your primary? Would you prefer after? I'd rather have it in the evening. Okay. Late afternoon. Well, I'm I'm good. We're trying to accommodate you today. What time do you What time would you say when you say late afternoon? You want four o'clock? Okay. You guess right. I forgot. So five o'clock. Okay. Um Chen, we need to make sure there's nothing on the uh let me check the supervisor.

Thank you. Those are the words I'm trying to get out and I can't. Well, if you got to leave a few day, right? The dates were the 21st, the 20th, the 22nd, and the 25th. Okay.

Okay. So, while y'all have your calendar mindset going, uh I'll segue into the next item. Uh we've been invited by the PDC and King and Queen County in particular to attend a tour of an advanced manufacturing and I think I got their website pulled up over there. Emmer, if you could pull that up. Advanced Manufacturing Center in Danville, Virginia. Uh, while that's really great, we'll probably look at that. The main reason that we are uh interested in this is for a vocational center that they have vacational and trainer training center that they've tucked in behind this. Uh they've been very successful in bringing a high school age, even middle school age kids into this training uh center. And uh we are intrigued by that. We have several ideas in mind on how it could benefit Middle Sex County um and our region. We would like to leave the PDC office at 7:00 in the morning in order to get down there in time on Friday the 12th,

September. Uh this Friday the 12th. Oh.

And uh head to Danville, take a tour and then come back. I I've spoken to several of you individually, uh, but I wanted to make sure I got that out there. Uh, as of now, I think Reggie and Wayne, myself, and I don't think Trent's able to go to that one, but so far that's us. I think it's going to be three of us. And I've reached out to Tracy's sites. I haven't heard back if she's going to be able to make it. Oh, and Randy, sorry, Randy. That's right. You told me tonight. So, we have u potentially three board members going, Larry, but um it's for a tour and if you want to come, you're welcome, too, because we got plenty of room. And I'm very excited about this one, gentlemen, because I'm passionate about VOTE. And uh while Advanced Manufacturing works for Danville, it could be a vote center geared towards marine trades and or uh welding, pipe fitting because we know the shipyards uh down in Newport News and their needs. Uh, I think this could be a really great thing for our region if we could emulate or im imitate something like this in our region. So, this is the first step.

I'm sorry I didn't hear I heard some of the list of people. Is anybody from the EDA planning on going? I have not heard from Trent yet. If anyone from the EDA is coming. Okay. But they have been invited. It's my understanding. Okay. Yeah. A lot of this happened last week while I was out.

Okay. Um the next invitation is from Virginia Power to attend uh a tour of one of their landfill solar projects that they have in Alberor County. Given the fact that we're going to be pursuing a contract uh with them probably well, we're going to be negotiating a contract and pursuing that. Uh it may be beneficial for the board to take a tour and see what they've done in another area. Uh that tour is next Tuesday, the 16th. And I think the plan is to meet at 7:30 at the Glenn's campus to get on a bus, go up there and take a tour of that. Here at the four, I've heard from Reggie and Wayne that they're going to be able to go to that. Um, all of you welcome. I think Heather's actually going to go to that one.

And then I'm planning on attending myself and Dave Cretz. So, go ahead. Oh, no. I was just going to say, does any does anyone else want to go? We needed to RSVP on Friday, but I'm sure Melanie would make an exception. I know. I appreciate but can't not from the public. Sorry. Right now. Um any board members is who I was referring to. So to clarify that one's going to Charlottesville, right? Yes. Going to Alammore. Yeah. Yes. Now we should be back by three. I believe it's it's going to be a whirlwind up and back. Apparently Dominion's going to put in a request for no traffic on 64. Yeah. I I don't see I'm going to be honest. I don't see how we're going to be back by three, but I'm going to ride in that bus. It's going to try. So

is anybody Does anybody else wish to go? When are you going to communicate with Dominion on that? The deadline was last Friday. So, did you give them the names that we're talking about? Well, we are trying to ascertain every We're getting everybody now to give them the name. Okay. Yeah. I'm going to reach out to Melanie as soon as the meeting's over. I don't think I can attend, but I'll I'll check again and if I can, I'll let you know. Okay. Bill or Randy? And the bus is taking multi-county people.

Yes. Yes. It's it's not just Middle Sex. It's multiple other jurisdictions. Um it's an opport and planning commission members. This is truly an educational opportunity. Um and something that to be honest with you, we've been asking from these vendors and or Dominion. You know, we know this these things are coming down the pipeline. We'd like to see them and so this is Dominion's first. Um so I am excited to go and see it. They've also um they're moving forward with a contract with James City County and their landfill to do a solar project. So these projects are coming to more and more localities and so it'll be good for us to I believe we have at least one planning commission member going too

so we're really looking forward I I'm not sure what it says about us that we're excited to go to a landfill to look at solar panels but we are maybe I need to work on it demonstrates how boring our job is maybe I don't know but it is exciting I know Melanie's watching we're excited to be with her team and meet everybody launch Um, but thank you, gentlemen. If anybody does, Don, if you think you can go, if you could let us know. I will. Yeah.

Okay. Well, we'll give them a preliminary number right after this meeting. Uh, because I know they're trying to get a headcount for the Boston, right, for a variety of reasons, but I think we've got a pretty good solid number for whatnot. So, next is the port uh infrastructure development program grant. All I'm seeking from the board tonight is authorization just to write a letter of support. There's a couple of uh things I probably want to amend on this boilerplate letter of support. Like for instance, I don't think the county owns all three of those sites. We own one of them and VOTE owns the other two. So, I got to fix a couple of things like that. So, if y'all would authorize me to write a letter of support, I can write it. This is a board.

You need a motion for that? Yeah, I would like one, please. Okay. Help me with the motion, county attorney, please. Defer to Matt on this one. Matt, how do you I just authorized me to write a letter of support for the uh Virginia uh Department of Transportation's port infrastructure development program grant opportunity. So moved by Mr. Jesse on the motion. Need a second. Second. Second by Mr. Williams. Any further discussion? Roll call, please. Wait one second. there is um there'll be plenty of time for adjustments to these projects. That's my understanding. Yes, sir. Because if we get the grant, we don't have to accept it.

And if we get a grant that we have overdesigned, we just don't accept it. Uh I intend to be uh well Dave and myself uh intend to be very involved in the design to make sure the design fits the will of the board based on the feedback we've received from the community on these sites. Um

and again like I mentioned earlier, it's my intention to focus on the very expensive core infrastructure needs and not all necessarily the bells and whistles that kick it up into a little bit more of an area of concern for the community. That's my intention. I want to be sensitive to that. And and I will say this for the record. My neighborhood is one of these. White Whitings Creek is in my area. And I know my neighbors had several concerns at the public hearing we had on. So want to be receptive receptive to that while still getting our share of that money to make sure these sites are robust. And if I may, uh we'll be applying for this again with the Marina property down in Deltaville. I'm very excited about that application. So that's it.

Thank you, Mr. Walker. Anything else? I have Well, do we need to vote on that? I have one other thing after that, Mr. Chairman. Okay. Uh, what are we doing? A roll call. Just authorization to write a letter of support. Oh, my bad. Thought we did that. Roll call, please. Miss Mr. Bill Harris. Yes. Mr. Kinden. Yes. Mr. Jesse. Yes. Mr. Williams. Mr. Mr. Don Harris. Yes. Motion is approved.

Yeah. Yeah. I'll do that. Thank you. Thanks, Dave. Actually, Mr. Chairman, I have one other thing um beyond this next thing. Okay. Uh Dave wanted me to my eloquent birdie in my ear wanted to let me uh or asked me to let the board know that we've been approved for our reduction of the multi-purpose path in Deltavville reduction of size and scope. Uh that was approved and we got notice of that I think Friday Thursday

Thursday or Friday after the board packet went out. So uh we've been approved for that and we'll see if that has a a positive effect down in Delta. The last thing I have, Mr. Chairman, is Randy and I date of since it's been approved. Do we need to take any action? Not at this time, right? I think we're good on that. When are they talking about uh starting that project? Well, any Yeah, it really depends on what you mean by started. They've been designing it for 5 years. Oh, yeah. I know. Uh it's on the way. We're going to ask them for another update in the spring if we haven't had something by Christmas. Okay. Wonderful. Yeah. Item number two

at the March January where I was just asking Dave to make sure we asked them to come in at our January strategic meeting. Okay. To give us an update because that's a fairly large project and probably should go on that January budget meeting. Okay. Where we have the strategic projects and whatnot. And your last

the last thing is uh Randy and I had the pleasure of meeting with uh several community leaders around Big Lake Creek uh before I went on my u my annual leave. A very productive meeting. Uh met with uh the community leaders or a few of the community leaders and they're very intrigued by the regional dredging program. I want to make sure I speak correctly on this and seem to be uh interested in engaging with that in some mechanism, shape or form. Um after leaving the meeting with the uh community in the living room, uh we reached out to Louisie and and I told Louisie, I said, "Louie, this may be a good pilot project, may be the first creek you work with under the regional dredging program, regardless of whether the county is in involved or Now, we will be involved from one standpoint is we are a waterfront property owner on that creek. So, we are kind of a part of that community. Um, so we're involved in that spirit. But we'll probably need to work with Louiesie a little bit more between now and Christmas, I would hope, to determine how we want to participate, how the county's role in that regional dredging program would would look specific to Big Lake. That creek is interested in working with Louis and in the regional dredging program as maybe being one of his first creeks that they look at. And I I hate using the word pilot, but it would serve as kind of a pilot project for the regional dredging program right there in in uh Deltville. So that was all I had. Mr. Chairman,

how many residents are on um Big Lake? What did Will say? Did they have like a hundred? I was going to say I think it was just less than 100. Just less than 100. Significant. Yeah. And and of course it's both sides of the creek. So you have one side on Richmond Road and the other side is um that Dex road there. What is that road, Dave?

Well, it's on both sides of the creek. I'm drawing a blank on the road's name. Um but but they've already had some community I guess I think they've been reaching out to one another in the community to try to develop a coalition of the willing. So um I'm very um optimistic about that, Mr. Chairman. I think that's going to be a a great uh example of how to get the regional dredging program up and running. Uh grassroots creeks that are not core creeks. These are just neighborhoods that happen to be on the water working with Louis and the program to get the creek dredged. And we will have a role to play because we're a waterfront property owner there and we're a considerable one. And that our spoil site is right there. um not getting into the weeds and not monopolizing time but being that our spoil site is right there we are under the impression that there may be some monies available with the core of engineers to advi uh re revise expand uh renovate our existing spoil site we may be able to renovate or house some of the spoils from big lake in that spoil site we're going to be exploring that with core of engineers uh if the project moves forward So, I'm I'm fairly positive and optimistic that that's going to be a good thing for the county and for all of our waterfront communities if we can develop a good boiler plate on how to do it. Yeah, I was just going to say I think that this is something that be far reaching a lot past Deltaville because if I'm not mistaken all of our districts have a creek or two that need dredging periodically and uh this is a good way to uh to prepare for the future and I think it's uh it's worthwhile program if we can get it implemented without too many bumps. We're looking at special tax zones for this to fund this.

That's one of the things I think the board's going to have to comment on whether we do it as a a incremental tax structure where we take the taxes that are currently coming from properties and set aside maybe an eighth of a penny, hey half penny or a quarter penny to each little fund after you create a district. or whether you take that same district and add to their taxes a quarter penny, a half a penny or something like that to go in their fund. Um, I've been just brainstorming about it with Randy and what my initial gut is telling me, maybe work with each individual community as their district is uh designed around those waterfront property owners and let them choose what their rate is. Like if if you're doing addition to say permit entrance, I'll use my neighborhood as an example. If Whitings Creek came together as all of our property owners and decided, well, we're going to need X amount of dollars by 2035 2040 to dredge the Creek. We'll do the math there and based on everyone's current assessed values, that looks like it's going to be a onetenth of a penny rate. Can we all agree to put that on ourselves? if we all agree that's the rate and that rate goes into a fund. And here here's a question I have for Louie whether the county has to have a role in that at all because if you're part of a private road maintenance agreement in a subdivision. We don't have any involvement in that. It's just all the property owners get together and agree to set aside so much funds every year for that fund. It could be it's not a tax at all. It's just a fund that private property owners come together and set up and work directly with the regional dredging authority on there's all manners of roles that I think the county could explore there. Uh it's just a question of which one we want to do.

Yeah. Special tax districts um concern me and also when we're looking at a regional approach, right? Special tax districts. It seems to me there's a chance for money to be taxed in Middle Sex and then it's regionally used somewhere else outside of Middle Sex. So, I think there's a whole lot of stuff we've got to look at. Well, thank you for all your input.

Yeah. Yeah. And Bill, it's a good point. It may be that the county as the board and the county decides, hey, look, we're we're part of this regional judging authority, but let the communities work directly with them and leave us out of it altogether, like a private road maintenance group. then we we may have a representative on that regional dredging authority, but all of our creeks work independently with them and we're just out of that may be the way to go. Um either way, I'm excited to have it because wow, no offense, but we we hope we don't have to do another dredge directly again and work with another entity to maybe do it. So, that being said, that's all I have, Mr. Chairman.

Thank you. We'll be looking forward to more information regarding that as it's compiled. I'll work with the board on trying to get Louis back to go through some of our options, too. Okay. Yep. Um, one last thing, I think the next step with that community was to bring Louie down and have him sit in the living room and talk to the community group and see how they want to move forward. That was our next step, wasn't it, Randy? Yes. Yeah. Yeah, that should happen for sure. Okay. Um, item number seven, county attorney update. Nothing outside of my staff report, Mr. Chairman.

All right. Thank you very much. You've been busy as I read through your staff reports. Thank you for all your work. Uh, unfinished and new business. Any unfinished business that we need to chat about? Hearing none, seeing none. Uh, any new business? All right. Wonderful. Um, item nine, matters presented by the board. Mr. Chairman, if I may, this may be a good opportunity to take care of Mr. Hawkman's recognition award if you care to. Is he here? I don't believe so.

Okay. Why would we do that? And he's not even here. Do you want to try again in October? Uh, yeah. And I we need a representative from the airport to be here. All right. Very good. As well. We'll plan for October. Okay. I'll talk to you. Huh? I'll talk to I mean we we could give it we could present it today, but he's not here and nobody from the airport. He's not. Okay. Right. I'll give him a ride.

Okay. uh manners presented by the board. Uh Mr. Williams, you got anything? Uh I visit over there uh to see the uh signing of a new bill that Governor um Ynan signed uh that they're going to start the uh bridge, Morris Bridge in uh 2028. And he say uh everything is yesterday. I remember him saying that. He said he believe everything should be done yesterday. I thought that was a good way to think of things. It seemed like everything we do, we put it three or four days off and I was down at the airport today and I see we don't pull the uh the cement, you know, for the building that uh the building down at the airport. So they got the cement down there and the only other thing I think on our reports we got more no reports than I ever seen look like getting worse every year. They have no reports, you know, the ones they have no reports on it. And uh in VOTE, they won't hear today, but I just want to make sure that somebody contact them because I've been trying to get the grass cut across there from the school. I ain't been trying real hard. Maybe I've been doing a good job. Uh and I need the grass cutting thing on 619 and 629. They will cut the road. They'll cut the grass on on 629 and stop when they get to uh Hers Road. To me, that don't make no sense. And something wrong. That it's a problem.

They go down uh Star Road. They stop at uh 620, which is Haley Road, and they turn around and go back to Luda, I guess, because they don't go nowhere else. And I don't know if that uh data or how they look up stuff to do things like that. I don't know. The grass is hung over like two feet in the road. It's hung over in the road. and uh they turn around and go the other way, you know. So, I just was going to wait till today to say something, but I passed on it. I see a lot of citizens cutting the grass or whatever, just to keep it down a little bit. You're being one of them.

Well, you know, at the same thing, you take the farms, if they got the fields, they're close to the road cuz they plant closer to the road down than you used to. And when they put that fertilizer on, it grows over there. cuz I told one farmer look man you plant the corn crop almost in the road then all of them do it and they don't cut around but anyhow V need to know they need to cut that road I got a couple complaints about the one at the school said you pass a car and the school bus at the same time he run right up in the grass you know right there across the road from my nice ballpark we got down there you know right across from Sinclair Walker that grass should be cut and should be kept cut of course I went to the schools first and evidently they didn't get They didn't get it cut. They say they'll take care of it cuz they got a very good one. They cut the grass, but they didn't uh they didn't get that little bit done. But I do I am getting complaints.

Do you want Mr. Walker to uh talk to Mr. Mcnite? Yes, on that definitely. Yeah. Okay. Tomorrow. Good. Okay. Good. Tell him I get one. Reggie, he go get one out. We'll find him. Uh, and Mr. Chair, while Reggie was talking, we pulled up the pictures I took this morning from the airport. One of them you'll see Oscar in the background waving. That's it. Yeah,

there you go. All right. Um, how is that connection with Oscar and what's going on? Everything good? Okay. Um, Mr. Bill Harris, what you got for us?

I too um did attend the bill signing and I u I was glad to see the things. It looks like we've um got some people there that want to push to get their bridge replaced sooner rather than later by their actions and I'm in hopes that that actually happens. We need that bridge replaced and I was glad to see that. That's it. Wonderful. Um I'll just uh comment briefly. Yes, I attended that. It was a very nice um program. Um, I was probably most compre uh impressed that most of the sand on that beach was delivered from Middle Sex.

I thought that was pretty interesting. Um, uh, and you know, going back last month, um, I attended the sheriff's opening as well. Uh, we all most all of us did. So, uh, that's all I got. Mr. Kittin.

Well, uh, Mr. Walker had took took my my biggest thing that uh that regional dredge uh down at Big Lake. Uh that that's been taking up some time. Um I know that this seems to be a great solution to the problem. Um, I just want to say that it's it's in our interest whether we administer the program, whether it goes through the PDC or whoever does it, it's in our interest that this is done in this manner because it gets it gets this the creeks dredged. It keeps the property values up, yet we're not really involved in the dredging directly. And I think that that's a that that would be a win-win for us. And it'll also be, I think, a a win for the for the people who are the property owners there because for for really a small contribution on a period, you know, on a regular basis, they'll they'll have the money to be able to do the job that needs to be done. And uh so I think in a waterfront county like ours, this is this is a big important thing. So that's it. And I also enjoyed the the Mr. uh signing uh program that was that was very interesting and and uh enjoyable.

Mr. Jesse, I attended the high school renovation meeting. Um you I suggested that uh before we meet uh make sure that the school board and everyone make a decision where where what they want and and look at let us look at all the options and give it to us prior to the meeting so we can you know do a little homework on it look at it but I just you know just made the suggestion say let me know what y'all want what you want to do you know new uh renovate or whatever and let us look at all the options prior to the meeting so when we get together and meet with both joint boards, we won't be battling back and forth. We can say, "Hey, we we saw this information and what we like and what we don't like."

Thank you for doing that. Yep. Thank you. Okay. Uh moving right along. Uh if there's nothing else, uh I'm going to move into the public comment. So I'll open for public comment. State your name and where you live, please. Yes. Chris Brewington, Middle Sex County. Um, you want the address, too? 10390 Hartfield.

Hartfield would have been sufficient, but thank you. So, um I wasn't going to speak, but um I got I kind of got excited when he was talking about the trades and um um I go to my notes. That's why I was trying to take notes. So, what I came here for was I wanted to kind of see what's the uh not weakest link, see what link is missing in the community. I'm sorry. Thank y'all for having me speak. Um you know, some of y'all may know me, see me out in public. Uh but um I always pick people brains on what what does their what does the future look like for them in Middle Sex County. Um I ask that question because uh I don't have I'm not born and raised here. So it's I'm I'm kind of like the stepchild. So I got a kind of uh rub rub shoulders the right way. So I hit the ground running once I u I retired from the Navy and uh reside here. and I'm trying to figure out where the puzzle where my piece of the puzzle fit on this table. So I I started coming out to the public meetings and then I got an opportunity to join one of the boards. Um so I'm on the wetlands board. So, um, then moving forward, I'm I'm getting to learn the community being part of the board because there was no way I would have covered that many, you know, understanding the waterfront property, the value of the property, and the history of the community. Um, so over time, I'm finding myself kind of kind of like u um brightening people light bulbs, you know, giving them better ideas, thinking outside the box. Um, and then I'm not trying to use the I'm the youngest I'm always the youngest one in the group. So, you know, I you know, I say that with the best intentions. So, when I when I present something, I'm coming from, you know, what my daughter, my my youngest is eight. What does her future look like and how can I be a part of it?

So, when I hear everybody's concern, that's everybody's issues. But then there's like a it's like a line drawn in the sand. You got the people that are make the shakers or movers, but then you got the the the masses and the masses don't understand where they fit in at because nobody's kind of inviting them to the party, you know? So, I I feel like I'm going invite myself, you know, and I'mma bring something to the table as well. So, I'll pick people brains. I talk to schoolboard reps. Um I'm kind of waiting on a followup. You know, that follow-up is serious because that let people know how much you care about. So then I I'll reach out to people or I'll on the fly I'll ask a question just to get their temperature, see how they respond and their response is really critical for me and my family because it lets me know where I fit in at and how to navigate from there. So hearing the trades, I brought it up, you know, to people in the community. Um I I I'm seeking what does this high school lack and why the kids when they graduate, they don't want to stay here. The reason they my opinion the reason they're not staying here because they trying to make money like everybody else and there's no opportunity to to to fund them if they want to move out of their parents' homes. So where do you go? You go where the money is at for the the the experience level that they're at. So why not bring the experience level here in the community? I know mechanics all up and down general puller and they have a plethora of experience. I know construction man. I know um I just met electrician yesterday and his son is electrician. So he kept it in the family and he's also self-employed or um entrepreneur. So why how can we tailor that in the school? Well, I know a little bit about the school. They have a bridge program. They're working with the college, but then they got to pay for it, the parents. Now the college the high school I went to, it was in the school I was drafting design. It was already in the curriculum. you just picked it, you know, and keep your grades up and you can stay in the

curriculum, um, shop, welding, um, so on. So, I just kind of picked people brains just to see what how can they help me with the future and then I move forward. But, so I was raising my hand because he was asking if anybody would like to go and then you mentioned it's not open to the public. So, I was going to throw another wild card. I'm not the public, you know. So, so, you know, and then um and I'm going to look into it with so so because I want to be a big I want to when if I if I swing this hammer, I'm going to hit it dead on the head head, but I want it to count. I don't want to keep hitting you ever, you don't know if you carpenters, they're not trying to keep hitting multiple times because they're gonna mess the wood up. So when I hit it, I want when I swing it, I want to make sure I make a dent and be be uh punctual and and my attentions be known, you know, up front. So, um I don't know. I don't want to go on a rant, but I see the clock ended. And so, yeah. So, and um and and it it it it I get excited to see people talk about the future, you know, what the future going to look like, but then I'm I'm also depressed because when you look back, it's it's it's a open forum, but but everybody's on social media and want to speak their opinions, but where it count, no one shows up. So, and um that's that's really it. I'm I'm kind of proud of what I'm hearing today because when I the first meeting I attended, it was like jaw-dropping, you know, for the issues that weren't being resolved and how it was being resolved. And so, and then from today, it's it's definitely um I I can be I can say I'm proud to be in Middle Sex County. So, and uh and that's that's really I'm going to talk to you afterwards and then I'm interested about the the zoning position. So, you know, I'm going to put that bug in everybody's ear, but anyways. Um, so, and then, uh, that's really that was my piece. So, I don't know if y'all get it and I'm going

to give it with you. I'm Hartfield, so I Heartfield rep, right? So, I keep touching bases with the not wrong people, but I'll talk to somebody and it's kind of like that person tells me about the other person. I'm like, "Oh, well, let's talk about it anyway since I got you on the phone or whatever the case." So, I talk to the right people, but not the right people. Okay. So yeah, because it'll get it's it's like how do you get a group of people to to to move in the same direction? Tell them all the same plan. If you have sidebar conversations, it'll never work because now you got clicks within a click. Now I learned that in the military. I don't want to use the military like that's what made me. No, I just figured it out. You know, when you become a supervisor, it's hard to get people, especially on a naval vessel.

What were you in the Navy? uh boiler technician. Okay. How many years? 22. And the old 22 because most people convert and do other, you know, other skills. But so yeah. But yeah, but um yeah, to get people to move forward, tell them all the same plans and stick with it. But if you change the plan, everybody need to know the new plan. So And that's man, you make me laugh when I you smile too hard for me. I I I don't normally talk during public comment, but I feel a special kinship cuz I remember the first night you and your wife were here. I think we snagged both of you for committees. Yes, sir. Yeah, I think I got them on both. I don't meet people often without snagging them. So,

no problem. Thank you for your comments. Yes, sir. Appreciate it. And thank you for your service with the Navy as well. Thank you. Okay. Uh it looks like we've finished just about all our regular items. Um with the exception of um Mr. Chairman, I think that closes public comment. Oh yeah, Bob's here. Unless Bob wanted to speak. Sorry. Okay. Yeah, I'll close public comment.

Thank you. And um is it anything you'd like to say before I go into close session? Just for the record, he's referring to Trent phone counselor joins us. I apologize for being party. I know you all accelerated agenda. I had some matters. I wasn't planning on taking care of this afternoon. So there you go. Okay. I appreciate the support. I understand positive work. Did I misunderstand? No, it was. You're correct. And we approved the resolution. uh as well. So uh follow Okay. But because because you were tardy, the interest the interest rates went from 1% to 10%. Yeah. Exactly.

No, just kidding. Okay. Um so with that, Mr. Chairman, I think we're ready for our close session. Um I I don't know if we'll be taking action when we come out, but regardless, we still have a public hearing tonight at 7:00 p.m. So we will be here. I don't anticipate taking action, but I I'm not going to say that definitively. Uh, and we will be meeting in this room. So, we will ask the public to please uh to vacate after the motion is made. So, with that, the board needs a motion to convene in close session pursuant to Virginia Code section 2.2-3711A1. This is so the board can have a discussion um regarding personnel matters involving the county administrator and or the county attorney.

So, move. So, moved by Mr. Jesse second. Second by Mr. Krennan. Any further discussion? Roll call, please. Mr. Krennan? Yes. Mr. Jesse? Yes. Mr. Williams? Yes. Mr. Bill Harris? Yes. Mr. Don Harris? Yes. We are We will now go into close session. Yeah. which