Planning and Housing Commission - Regular Meeting

has been very happy that we improved their neighborhood. Beautiful alley. [music] Our white lion flavor this month is good. You want to try a sample? [music] And it comes with your own. It's pretty freaking good. [music] It looks so good. [music] I like it. I love it. I want it.

So good. Grandma keeps asking us [music] [music] cooking. I love to cook. Do you need the menu? My name is Sergio and we are in Toras in Aloaka, city of Corona. [music] Torres is 44 and it has four meats. Toras are the number one [music] sales in this place. We do like 4,000 tortas a month. This is Sinaloa special. And this is a Kubana. [music] So we have such a big menu, but we have barbakcoa, we have [music] carneasada plate, we have burritos, we'll call the breakfast rancheros, omelets, carneasada is one of the favorites. [music] Yeah. Three tacos. Every single product and item from this place is homemade cooking. Yes. My wife in tortois in [music] Aloa, she's been in the company for 20 years. She's makes every single day. She makes all these fresh waters and we also have fresh juices. You can order whatever you like. I'm the one that's do every single recipe in this place. It's a homemade [music] plan. Yeah, we do it like maybe four times a week. Mexican dessert. I've been cooking for 45 years now [music] and this 2025. So when I came and opened this, I learned about the community and [music] the very kind people. Very nice. Yeah, I love the people from Corona, so I put so much effort [music] and hard into it. We are in 1520 West 6th Street and we in the Walmart shopping center.

If you want to get arms like me, you need to come in here and get in the weight room. I'm Marcus Williams and this is MW Athletics. As an NFL superstar, coming back to my community is really what I wanted to start MW athletics for. You want to do cattle bell swings? We'll get you right in here. I'll just do one of these with this.

That's all you need. Footwork, speed, strength, fastest, most explosive athletes. Come in here ready to work and you'll get [music] to where you want to get to. And if you don't grind, you don't shine. And if you don't shine, you don't eat. The mission and vision behind MW Athletics to create the fastest, most explosive athlete in any given sport that they choose to be in, whether it's high school, college, or professionals. We are able to help them get the little details right so that they are able to go out there and perform at the highest abilities that they possibly [music] can. So our training program mainly consists of group training whether it's strength training, performance training or speed [music] training. We have our perform treadmills where we are able to do our speed zone to make sure these athletes [music] are running fast just like cheetahs, you know, be the best that they can be when they go out there and perform. We're really out here in the community trying to give back [music] the best possible way we can and giving scholarships back to the kids who are in high school. What makes MW athletics different from other gyms in Corona or other places around is our culture, our dedication to having our relentless pursuit of excellence. And everybody here in Corona knows that each and every day they come in here, they're going to leave off better than when they came. [music] If you want to book a tour, go to our website, mwathletics.com. We are located right next to In-N-Out off of Surface Club. Run, shine, and eat.

Chris Yoshoka, he's been my mentor. [music] He's been my captain. I guess I'm proud to say I've got the lowest paramedic card number, but some of the things started the first IV.

Yeah, I started the very first IV in the city of Corona. I was the first paramedic. Corona is pretty unique. What also makes Corona super unique is and which I'm so proud of being a part of this family is our [music] local 3757 firefighters association. We're heavily involved in the community. We adopt many kids. Kids who have cancer, kids going through hard times. We make their day a little bit special. [music] I mean, when a fire engine pulls up at their house with lights on and we can get them gifts or just [music] show them support that we're there for them and we help them out. That touches my heart pretty big. [music] Corona fire seems daily we're involved with something within the community. We're constantly [music] going to fundraisers. We give tours. You name it, we're there. My fire service journey began. We went to a preschool event, [music] Garden Grove Fire Station 1, probably 1976. I was four or 5 years old. I saw the firefighters. [music] I saw the engines and I told my mom on the way home all I could talk about is being a firefighter. [music] Here I am and 31 years later in the city of Corona. It's a dream come true. Who would have [music] known that the city of Corona, I was born and raised in Orange County and the city of Corona would be my second home. But all the guys and gals [music] here in this department, they're your second family. So my morning routine coming in here, making sure the cab's set up the [music] way we need to get set up. Actually, we got a All right.

Welcome to tonight's Planning and Housing Commission meeting. Commissioner Woody, will you lead us in the pledge of allegiance? I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

We would like to call this meeting to order. Individuals wishing to address the planning and housing commission are requested to complete a speaker card and deliver it to the secretary prior to the item being heard by the commission. Please observe a 3minut time limit for communications once called upon to speak. Please state your name and city of residence for the record. For election of chair, will the planning and housing commission secretary please begin the nominations.

Thank you, Chair Longwell. Nominations are now in order for the office of chair. Uh, I motion um for uh Vice Chair Alexander to become Chair Alexander. I second.

Okay, we will now take a roll call vote. I if you are in favor, nay if opposed. Commissioner Woody, how do you vote? I. Vice Chair Alexander I. Chair Longwell I. Commissioner Squilin I.

Thank you. That is a unanimous vote in favor. The record will reflect Vice Chair Alexander as a chair for the upcoming year with the motion by Commissioner Squilin and seconded seconded by Chair Longwell. The position will be effective at the next meeting in January. Perfect. Thank you so much. For the election of vice chair, do we have a nomination for vice chair? I nominate Commissioner Cichelin for vice chair, please.

I will second. Um, do you are you okay if I run the voting or do you run the voting? Yes, chair. every Okay. Um, we can do the same type of vote. Um, Commissioner Woody I. Commissioner Alexander I. Commissioner Sequelind I.

And I vote I as well. The newly elected positions will be in effect at the um next meeting starting in January. Moving to meeting minutes for the October 20th, 2025 meeting. Approval of the minutes for the planning and housing commission meeting. Miss Capia, are there any speaker cards from the public for the meeting minutes? No. Chair Longwell. Do we have a motion?

Uh, I'll make a motion to approve the meeting minutes and I'll second it. A motion was made by Commissioner Woody and seconded by Commissioner Alexander. approved. Moving to communications from the public. This portion of the agenda is intended for general public comment on items within the commission's jurisdiction that are not listed elsewhere on the agenda. Please note that state law prohibits the planning and housing commission from discussing or taking action on these items. Please observe a threeminut time limit for comments. Miss Capia, are there any speaker cards from the public?

No. Chair Longwell. Thank you. Moving to the consent calendar. There is one item on the consent calendar. Consent items are not heard as public hearing and can be approved without discussion. Do any commissioners have questions or otherwise wish to pull the item from the consent calendar? Chair Longwell, I don't need it pulled for any type of presentation, but I did have a question for staff. Perfect. Yeah, I I'd like to hear the report, please. Okay. Can we hear the presentation? So, for GPCD 2025-0012, um, planning manager, will you present this item?

Yes, of course. Good evening, Planning and Housing Commission. This request is related to a property at 141 West Corona Corona Mall and this is in the North Mall. The city is currently in the process of trying to acquire the property. However, before we can finalize that sale, state law requires that the city make a determination that this land acquisition aligns with the city's goals and pol with the city's general plan. And in your staff report, um we have identified three policies which we believe are consistent with this land acquisition. the planning and housing commission has the role of making that determination and with that we are recommending that you make you determine that this is consistent with the general plan. Um I'm available for any questions. We also have Joel building our economic development director who can also answer any questions as well. Um the one question I was I wasn't clear to me was uh the current use of this um building. Uh so this is uh the Black Cat Social Club barber shop. Uh it's sort of tucked right in be behind the Cortez jewelers.

Okay. Thanks. Just wanted to hear that. And since you're already here, Mr. Belding, if uh on the location map, one of the exhibits that was included, it highlighted uh 141, but if you zoom in, it was part of a segment that was 141 through 496. By acquiring 141, does that complete the entire rectangle of lots that need to be acquired or Go ahead.

So, we still have one uh so we've have a deal with Cortez. We have now with Mr. Torres for Blackat Social Club. The uh community home health care center, sorry, the Grapevine uh healthcare center just next door to that, just to the north, we also have an agreement with. So, the community home health care system owned by David Path, we don't have an agreement with yet. We're in talks with that owner about a possible acquisition there, too. So, of 24 retail suites within the North Mall, we've uh either directly acquired already or are in uh some various state of acquisition for 23 of those. Great. Thank you so much.

Do you would you like her to continue with the presentation or did you get your questions answered? Well, and now just bouncing off of what you just said the which was the one that you said 23 out of 24 which is the one that's not. So it's a home health care office. Uh customers don't come there. They have offices and uh meeting space for their staff and then they go out to provide home health care to residents across Corona. It's 462. Uh Honeys is that north building there where we had a fire. There's some two intervening retail suites and then uh the home healthcare businesses in that sort of the lighter colored roof start in that section. Okay. Thanks.

All right. Uh I'll go ahead and move to approve the consent item. Do we have a second? I'll second.

If we can read the motion into the record, please. We have a motion was made by Commissioner Al Alexander and seconded by Commissioner Sequelind for the approval GPCD2025-000012, the request for a general plan consistency determination for the acquisition of property located at 141 West Corona Mall. highlighted in yellow.

Perfect. Uh the motion was made that the planning and housing commission adopt resolution number 2678 determining that the city's acquisition of the property located at 141 Corona Mall is consistent with the city's general plan. Both a motion and second have been made. My voting screen is not coming up.

Thank you. It looks like I'm getting reset. Um, moving to public hearings. The public hearing items this evening are four related applications and staff has requested to present these items together. The commission can ask questions regarding each item, take comments, and vote on items individually. 71 is a general plan amendment to amend the general planned land use designation of two parcels located at located at 323 Southbell Avenue and 322 West Washburn Avenue from lowdensity residential to general plan commercial respectively to mixeduse downtown and establish the mixeduse downtown land use designation for approximately 0.87 87 acres of public rightway. 72, a specific plan amendment for the downtown revitalization specific plan to change the zoning of two parcels located at 323 South Bell Avenue and 322 South Washurn Avenue from single family and Gateway business respectively to downtown and establish a downtown zoning on approximately 87 acres of public rideway. a parcel map application to create one lot totaling 4.7 acres for commercial purposes generally located at the northwest corner of West 6th Street and South Main Street. And 7.4 4, a precise plan to review the site plan, architecture, landscaping, and other development features associated with a proposed 40,000 square ft Northgate

Gonzalez Market and remodel of an existing 6,930 ft building on the 4.7 acres generally located at the northwest corner of West Sixth Street and North Maine. The applicant for these four items is Marco Orzo Orzola for North Northgate Gonzalez Market. Slopez, senior planner will now present these items together. Thank you, Chair Longwell. Uh, and good evening to you, Chair, and to the commissioners and to the audience this evening. Um the [clears throat] item before us tonight as um Chair Longwell mentioned is items 7.1 through 7.4 and the applicant uh is with us uh this evening in the um in the audience. As uh the chair mentioned this is a request. It's uh four uh entitlement applications for a general plan amendment, specific plan amendment, a parcel map, and a precise plan. Uh this is an aerial view of the subject property uh which is uh consists of 4.7 uh net acres. Uh it is located in the general area or vicinity of uh the north uh west corner of Sixth Street and Main Street. Uh at this point in time, the project does not include uh the corner property, which is a helm property uh that is currently uh owned by a separate property owner. And [clears throat] the project site uh consists of 11 vacant parcels and there are two commercial uh structures still standing uh within the subject site. Uh one of the uh commercial parcels or uh properties um is the Citizens Bank. It's currently

vacant. It's located at the corner at the north uh east corner of Bell and Sixth Street. And then there is an existing retail commercial uh strip uh structure that's located just um just um west of Main Street between Fifth and uh Fourth Streets. Uh this project does include a uh portion or a vacation of Fifth Street between Bell Avenue and Main Street as well as a partial vacation of Fourth Street. Here is the um existing general plan land use map as well as the proposed uh land use map to the right of the screen. So, [clears throat] as mentioned previously, uh this project site includes two parcels that need a general plan amendment uh from a lowdensity residential to and and also a general commercial to a MUD which is a mixeduse downtown. Uh the streets will also uh be the land use will be consistent which would also be a mud uh to make this uh project go through. The project also includes a specific plan amendment uh to change the uh land use designation of two residential part uh properties currently uh with a single family and gateway business designation uh to a downtown uh designation. Uh the property is located within the um the city's downtown revitalization specific plan. Um and so the D designation would be uh consistent with the remainder of the parcels. Uh this is a view of the proposed parcel map. Uh the purpose of the parcel map is

to consolidate or combine 13 uh of the parcels into uh one parcel to essentially uh develop this uh this property for the the proposed market uh as well as the uh reuse of the previous citizens bank building. Uh this project does not include the corner property uh which is at 203 West 6th Street. Uh this is a view of the proposed site plan. [clears throat] So um the building is it's actually oriented facing uh west uh looking up but essentially main street runs north and south. So the building is situation it's situated toward the northern part of the four uh.70 acre uh site and the commercial building that's to the uh close to sixth street that's the existing citizens building bank. So that building is uh uh it totals 6,930 ft. Uh the applicant intends to um use half of the building for a restaurant and then the other half for a new bank. Um the market 40,000 square feet again would be situated toward the northern portion of the of the project site. Uh the ma primary entrance uh into the project site would be from Main Street. Uh and there are three entrances along Bell Avenue and then one entrance uh from Sixth Street. The project is over or is uh is uh overparked by 10 parking spaces. The code requires them to have 251 spaces. They actually proposed 261. [snorts] Uh the architectural features or the design of the building is a Spanish colonial design. Uh they also include an internal uh pedestrian walkway from the market to the um former

citizens bank building or to the new restaurant bank use. Uh the project site also includes decorative screen walls along the northern property line uh along the uh project's loading area that's located to the rear of the uh project site. The uh the project also features um new uh public infrastructure improvements such as new sidewalks. Uh there's uh 15oot street dedication uh that the applicant will be uh dedicating back to the city along Main Street. Um and the project also includes a right turn lane into the project site uh as well as two through lanes going southbound. Uh so there there will be restriping of the um that's that's going to be occurring with this uh project. Uh on Sixth Street uh there is an 8ft dedication required. However, the existing curb and gutter sidewalk will will remain at this point in time. And then along Bell Avenue, uh the city is actually vacating uh eight feet back to the project site. Along Bell Avenue, there will be landscaping as well as along Main Street. Uh and Sixth Street, there will be landscaping enhancements. Um so access and public improvements, I just uh discussed those or went over those. Uh again, there's five entrances into the project site. Um, Main Street will be uh is essentially conditioned uh per the uh traffic study. There is a requirement that Main Street provide a full uh access signalized traffic light uh at Main Street. So um it will be full access uh along Bell Avenue. There's also uh full access along Sixth Street. It would be a right in right out only along six uh Sixth Street. Uh so the operations at Northgate uh

Northgate operates uh a unique um market platform uh in that um they specialize in full service uh meat, seafood, specialty cheeses. uh they they they do um have [clears throat] uh an element which is uh very common or very um um essential to the Latino community and that is that um it it specializes or they specialize in um produce um fresh Mexican dishes such as a panaderia which is a Mexican sweet uh fresh tortillas that are produced every day uh fresh salsas uh tamales and so forth. Uh, Northgate also proposes a uh, walk up Takaria uh, with an 650 ft open door uh, patio uh, located uh, along the um, the south eastern portion of their property. Uh, Northgate is proposed to be open 7 days a week from 6:30 6:30 a.m. to 10 p.m. They do employ up to 200 uh, employees. Um and then they they're essentially their uh deliveries are on a daily basis, seven days a week. Um they will also be essentially they do need to respect um um the noise u ordinance of of course of the uh corona municipal code, but they're anticipating having four to five truck deliveries uh per day as well as two small uh truck deliveries. This is an image of their proposed uh truck route. Uh their main headquarters are in uh city of Anaheim. So uh a lot of the produce will be coming from their main headquarters and they will be uh heading eastbound along the 91 freeway. They will be exiting at the main street uh southern exit and they will be entering the project site through uh uh

through Bell Avenue. So, they will be heading southbound on uh Main Street, making uh right, heading westbound on six, and then going north on Main Street. Uh when they exit the project site, they will essentially be exiting in the same fashion that they came in. And they would either be uh going back uh westbound uh along the 91 freeway or going heading uh eastbound along the 91 freeway. Here's a view of the proposed uh landscape plan. Uh again the project site is an infill development of the down these uh downtown 13 parcels. So uh they are going to be uh grading uh all the all of the parcels and so it's a complete renovation. It's a complete new market from the ground up. Uh again the citizens building will remain uh but it will be uh rehabilitated. Um so there will be a variety of uh trees uh within the project uh consisting of live oak, fern pines, uh palo verde trees uh as well as a few jackaranda trees. Uh the applicant uh was uh is will be installing uh large screen trees along the northern property line uh to help buffer the uh residential uses that's are located to the north of the project site. Uh there are uh dense trees along Bell Avenue as well. Uh and there's a whole nice uh brand new pallet of trees along Main Street and as well as their um outdoor patio area. Uh the project also features a stamped and stained decorative concrete entry areas along uh the five uh driveway entry areas into the project site. Here are sectional views uh looking uh at the project site. So the top view is from

Main Street. Uh as you could see there is a nice landscaped uh parkway, a new landscape parkway. There's landscape setback as well. Uh along the uh the bottom view is again looking along Main Street uh at the open courtyard area. Uh the top view is looking at the Bell Street section. So you have uh street se uh street parking along Bell Avenue that's permitted uh as called out within the downtown specific plan. Uh there will be shrubs to screen the parking area and there will be a landscape parkway as well. Um [clears throat] along the loading uh dock area of the market. Uh there is a proposed 12- foot high screen wall that will be screening the um loading area uh as in addition to a 6 foot high uh screen wall along the uh residential property line or adjacent residential property line uh along with dense landscaping along Sixth Street. Uh this area will uh remain unchanged uh the public rideway improvements. However, on the project uh on on site in front of the proposed new uh bank, there will be uh new landscaping um improvements. And the bottom uh sectional view is looking on uh within the project site. Uh and that is uh the proposed restaurant. They will have proposed outdoor seating uh as well as a uh landscape uh trellis. Here's a view of the uh proposed wall legend. Uh again, there is a 6 foot high uh decorative screen wall that's proposed along the entire northern property boundary. Uh there is uh retaining walls along the uh bank area building along uh Bell Avenue. And there

is a um a retaining wall as well as a a market dining area uh railing along the outside patio area. These are the elevations uh that Northgate is uh proposing for the Corona Northgate market. uh that there are a lot of decorative nice uh features uh in this Spanish colonial design um stemming from um light concrete, excuse me, Spanish tile uh roofing. Uh there are accent tiles throughout the market. There are decorative arches. There is uh decorative uh landscape potted plants. There are decorative awnings, trelluses. Um, all of the architectural features are consistent with the downtown specific plan as well as the goals and policies of the land use element of the general plan. [clears throat] This is uh so just I apologize going back. This is a southern view of the market as well as the uh eastern view along Main Street. Uh the top image is the western view uh from Bell Avenue and then the bottom image is the uh renovated citizens bank building and this is again the renovated uh citizens bank building where part of the uh building will remain a bank uh and then the other part of the building will be a new uh sitdown restaurant. This is a proposed uh sign location plan. The applicant is proposing three uh monument signs located uh one along Main Street, one at the corner of Bell and Six, and then one along the um Bell Avenue uh entrance. They are also proposing three uh primary signs for the Northgate Market, one on

each elevation with the exception of the northern uh elevation. And here here's kind of a conceptual sign plan that they're they are proposing. It's very consistent with their other markets. They do have 43 other markets uh throughout Southern California. Um and this is uh it's essentially the same type of uh signage from their other markets for their tenant uh ID signage. Uh it's this is uh essentially what they're they are proposing. This these are just conceptual signs. Uh the project uh was subject to the California Environmental Quality Act. Uh the project uh staff did prepare a mitigated negative declaration uh for this project. Uh there was a 20-day public hearing period uh on the project. Some of the items that were identified uh as areas of potential impacts were air quality, biological resources, cultural uh resources as well as greenhouse gas emissions. Uh with air quality essentially uh one of the requirements was that they be in compliance with the air quality management district uh during construction during the construction phase. uh the biological resources essentially uh the mitigate negative declaration identified uh as mitigation measures uh three areas which is uh that the applicant have to conduct a nesting bird survey uh prior to the issuance of a grading permit as well as a buring owl survey and a a tree avoidance removal uh during the bat roosting season as mitigation measures uh for cultural resources uh the mitigation uh measures were that the applicant uh prepare a an archaeological uh monitoring as well as a paleontolo paleontological monitoring

uh plan. Uh with regards to the archaeological monitoring uh they do have to uh be um they do have to have uh RCON as tribal monitoring uh on site. And [snorts] then finally with the greenhouse gas emissions um some of the mitigation measures uh for that were that they be in compliance with Corona's screening tables for reduction of the greenhouse gas uh reductions and those include solar panels lead certified building materials and so forth. So therefore all impacts uh any impacts related to this project uh that were identified were mitigated through the mitigation measures to a level uh of a less than significant impact for public noticing staff uh prepared bilingual uh public hearing notices and they were mailed to uh property owners as well as occupants uh for a 20-day uh review period. Uh the project site uh was posted also at four locations uh of the 4.7 acre site. There was publication in the Sentinel newspaper as well as the city's uh website. Uh overall staff received uh two written comments which are included in your uh packet tonight as well as one comment on the mitigated negative declaration from uh Department of Toxic uh substances. And those comments were included uh within the development services uh conditions. And that essentially concludes my presentation. Um but before I do conclude, I would like to uh have uh the plan commission, we are making a favorable recommendation of this project uh and that the plan commission adopt the um mitigated negative declaration as

well as the mitigation monitoring uh plan and recommend approval of the general plan amendment 2024 00003 to the city council. And actually, uh, it's the count city council that has to approve the M andD as well as the mitigation monitoring plan. Um that the planning commission recommend approval of the specific plan amendment to the city council as well as recommend approval of the parcel map to the city council and that the planning commission adopt resolution number 2677 granting precise plan 2024-001 based on the findings contained in the staff report uh and the conditions of approval. Now, that does conclude my presentation. Uh, and the applicant would like to present um their PowerPoint, a quick PowerPoint presentation to the planning commission uh for you uh this evening. Thank you.

Perfect. Are they ready to do that now? Yes, they are. Mhm.

Okay. Hello, good evening. My name is Paul Mittman. I'm senior vice president of de de development for Northgate Markets. Um so I wanted to present this PowerPoint um as a introduction of Northgate Markets, the community of Corona. Um, three things that are really important for us, um, and I call them three legs of the stool for our company is one, we're just not a merchant. A lot of people know us as, you know, a vibrant, um, uh, you know, experiential merchant, um, delivering, you know, um, amazing products. But outside of that, uh, we are a real estate development company. And most importantly is we we are part of the fabric of every community we're a part of with our community engagement um group. Every great story begins with family. For the Gonzalez family, that story starts in Halos Stolan Halisco, a place rooted in faith, hard work, and the belief that together anything is possible. In the 1950s and60s, Dom Miguel Gonzalez was a proud shoe merchant in Mexico. But after a devastating factory fire and mounting financial hardship, the family made a brave choice, a leap of faith that would change their future forever. Don Miguel brought two of his youngest sons to the United States to rebuild their lives. Teresa stayed behind raising the rest of their nine children. Resilience,

resolve, faith. These values became the foundation of everything that came next. In 1980, with the family reunited, they took a courageous leap of faith and converted a small liquor store in Anaheim into a grocery market. They couldn't even afford a new sign, so the name Northgate stayed. One store, 13 siblings, no employees, only family. From that humble beginning, a dream began to grow, one store at a time. Today, Northgate Gonzalez Market operates 45 stores across Southern California, employing more than 8,000 associates and serving hundreds of thousands of customers every week. But the true success of Northgate, it's not just in the business growth. It's in the impact on people. Every new Northgate market brings something powerful to a neighborhood. More than 250 new jobs, access to fresh, authentic Mexican foods, ingredients [music] sourced from Mexico, prepared with tradition, and a shopping experience that feels like home. Warm, welcome, and treated with respect. For more than 45 years, the Gonzalez family has believed that success [music] means giving back. When Northgate Market opens a new store, it partners with clinics, hospitals, schools, and nonprofits to provide mamograms, flu clinics, chronic illness screenings, nutrition classes, and healthy cooking demos. Through the Gonzalezo Family Foundation, students across Southern California receive scholarships and support to pursue their dreams. And every year, Northgate Market helps thousands of families through food distributions, 5K races, and its beloved Santa Toy Drive, now nearly 30 years strong. Because at Northgate Gonzalez Market, faith, education, and wellness aren't just corporate pillars, they are a promise. As a proudly family-owned [music] business now led by second and third generation brothers and sisters, Northgate Gonzalez Market continues to grow, expanding into new neighborhoods, creating new opportunities, and uplifting the communities we call home.

From one small store to a legacy of service, from a family dream to a force for good, Northgate Gonzalez Market is more than a grocery store. It's a community partner, a place of culture, and a gateway to opportunity. Northgate Gonzalez Market. Proudly serving our communities yesterday, today, and for generations to come.

Three great stories.

Okay, so that was a little primer of Northgate Markets. We're a 45-y year new uh company and we aspire to be a hund 100redyear family-owned company. And the major tenants, you know, of our values uh is really rooted in enriching the lives of those around us and and in our communities we serve primarily through our faith, our deep passion for authentic Mexican food, and our vibrant marcado experience. Some of our guiding principles are, you know, unity, humanity, efficient work, accountability, trust, integrity, and honesty. A few that I'd like to highlight this evening are really innovation. Um, we are an innovative retailer. Uh, we do a lot of things from scratch. Um, we're very experiential. Um and uh that innovation is woven through the fabric of our of through our corporate um offices regarding you know our our meat department um our prepared food offering, our bakery. Um many of our departments have uh done things that other retailers in our space have not done from scratch conchos to you know our custom cape cake making um uh abilities to um you know even our our commissary. Uh so we recently um uh did a brand new food pro processing plan in Irvine where where we're we're not only doing things exclusively for Northgate such as you know making new marinades uh doing um it's a USDA facility so we're preparing

meats that we really can't find um anywhere else through a third party channel. So um really a differentiator you know in our space. So we are also um you know rooted in in education. Uh we partner with many local colleges. Um we offer uh free education with Cerritos College. We send many of our associates to the uh food um food programs uh food management programs at University of Southern California and um you know we highlight two of our associates uh one of them uh Dr. Lupio at the bottom. He's really well known in the culinary space, but uh more specifically, he recently earned his PhD uh which the company supported. So, one of the things as a leader of Northgate that we do different is servant leadership. you know, as a family uh run business, the the family really supported the business from its from its founding and they've stayed in the business. We do a lot of things um that's family related. So, we have a family day and the family spends time at the store uh with the associates um on a hands-on manner and that occurs at every single one of our stores minimum once a year. Um, and just as a a leader of the real estate group, you know, it's really we're all player coaches, right? And so, you know, we we are um spending time at the stores. We're um we're we're doing a lot of things on the ground. We're just

not instructional, but we're doing. And so, um so that's uh really one of the major tenants of our company. also um it's all about the customer. So very much like leadership is all about our associates and serving our associates. Um the entire company is is customer centric. And so um we have a saying at at our company that everything we do is with the customer and associate in mind. And so, um, our customers are really, um, you know, our window into the community and our window into how we develop and innovate products, um, and how we service and staff, you know, certain stores. Um, one of the things that that we do differently is we we heavily market research every store before we open. And so we spend hundreds of thousands of dollars every year understanding the communities we serve. And so through psychoraphic, mosaic, uh even customer surveys and um really understanding the fabric of the community before we even enter. And so of the, you know, 40 45 stores that we have in Southern California right now, I would say 38 of them are completely different. We do not copy and paste our stores. And so every store is programmed for every community and for every customer. And so really having that customer focus in mind really drives a better product and a better offering and a better partner for the overall community.

So 1 + 1 equals three. And through our teamwork and our collaboration internally and externally with our nonprofit partners externally and um and then also our customers internally and our associates internally, we can we can provide a better outcome and a better project for the overall community. Um we spend multiple uh days um together um you know collaborating from distribution to all of our department leads. Our store design teams are topnotch and involve every aspect of the business. So collaboration, teamwork and communication are kind of the foundations of our stores. um and al also our operations and everything we do. So, one of the unique things with Northgate is we probably serve one of the most diverse demographics in Southern California. So we have multiple tiers of customers that we serve a wide range of ethnicities, a wide range of socioeconomic statuses, um religions, you know, different cultures. We even have people uh traveling from other other countries, you know, to come see some of our operations. and everyone is treated the same and we listen to everyone's needs and and we learn and we innovate accordingly and we serve them uh really well. One last video.

Oops. It takes a family [music] to understand another. And that's what the Gonzalez family, founders of Northgate Market, are most proud of. Having served [music] their customers for almost 40 years with the same care and dedication as if they were family members. That closeness and [music] passion are still the force that drives our 40 Northgate Market stores. as well as our commitment to [music] offering our customers the most extensive selection of quality products and freshest food. That's why unlike other markets, we receive new offerings [music] daily, always making sure that every single item is fresh and ready for your table. To make this possible, we partner with vendors in our community, neighboring animal farms, and local growers that minimize the time span between shipping and consumption. That's how we're able to offer the best meats tended by certified butchers who are experts on traditional cuts, but also our shrimp brought directly from Mexico. [music] and so flavorful as in a class all their own. Or our fresh and natural tortillas made patiently from scratch using a traditional process perfected over a thousand years. Or our freshlymade bakery goods, including authentic sweets and artisan breads, all baked with love every single day at sunrise. But perhaps our proudest accomplishment is the authenticity that infuses our

daily [music] prepared meals. These delicious staples of Mexican and Latin American cuisine are cooked by the most skilled [music] chefs using recipes passed down and perfected over generations. Like tacos, chicharó, bolios, tortas, [music] carnitas, 12 types of ceviche and our 20 different auas frescas. For all these reasons and more, we consider ourselves warriors [music] of flavor, defenders of authenticity, but also champions of innovation by blending our rich culinary heritage with new ways of enjoying it. It's not an exaggeration to say that you won't find this culinary experience in any other grocery store. [music] And it's not just a feast for the senses. You'll also feel at home in every [music] Northgate market thanks to our welcoming and helpful staff. From managers to associates, all committed to providing you with the best shopping [music] experience possible. In a few words, at Northgate Market, there's an entire family dedicated to yours. [music] So with that I conclude the presentation and I welcome the opportunity to build, you know, the nicest um opportunity and and really piece of real estate that that we can afford um and that we can provide the city and the residents and really partnering with the community, you know, to serve you guys well. So thank you.

Thank you so much. Um, regarding GPA 2024003, do commissioners have questions for staff? Uh, yes, I I do have questions for staff.

Okay. So, um I I'm just trying to figure out some of the um geography here. I guess this is kind of the first thing I was because that's that's what this first item, the general plan of amendment has a lot to do with. Um so okay, I guess part of part of the plan in involves the city um abandoning the streets there is right? That is correct.

Um, so what what's the process, the city's process? Because I know a lot of times we um review uh you know, we do these the general consistency determinations. Um, but I I don't remember that that those streets were presented to us for in that regard. Um, [clears throat]

uh, excuse me. Sorry. So, uh, good question, Commissioner. We have, uh, Chris Horn here in charge of our development services division. We also have our traffic engineer that is heavily involved in, uh, the vacation of certain streets and in the form of easements or there sometimes are in fee rightaways involved. U, but we do have staff over here who wants to take the first chance to respond to that.

Yeah, I I can respond to that. So um the process is uh governed by the streets and highways code. So there's a very specific process that we have to follow and requirements that we have to meet. Um as you mentioned there is a general plan consistency determination that would be brought before this commission. Uh and then the actual vacation is uh done with the council. So the staff will review the requirements and determine that vacation's being conducted in conformance with the conditions of approval and the proposed plan for the project and and we you'll see those items in the future.

Okay. So, so I guess that that happens after this because if if it wasn't actually approved, then the city wouldn't wouldn't vacate it or or that that's what the the chronology of it. That's correct. We we would not want to approve the vacation until uh we have approved improvement plans and we are prepared to close those streets. And but then um obviously the those streets have been made available for this development. Um you know was that what was the process by which that was determined?

The applicant has proposed this with their site plan and so approval of this plan is is a step forward in the direction of uh vacating those streets. I I guess I mean did did the council already agree on the idea of of passing, you know, yielding those streets for this development? You know, was that a city manager? You know, what I'm just trying to find out the you know, how how this came to be. No, the the council has not uh approved the vacation for the site. uh staff has reviewed the proposed uh the proposal and uh including the public works department and our traffic division um and uh we are in support of the project.

Can I add on to that? Yeah. Is there any compensation to the city for the land that they're vacating for the benefit of the development? No, we're just gifting it. I think one I I think one question

I think yeah a point of clarification Kobe was trying to make earlier is we don't own the underlying property. Uh when we vacate the property it goes back to the underlying property owner. We we only hold these roads by easement. Uh so there there would not be any then any future conveyance of the uh roadways to anybody. We would just simply do the vacation which removes the public's right to access and then the land becomes what it is uh you know it's currently owned by the adjacent parcels and so it would become the property of those adjacent land owners uh without the public's right of access over it.

So the the underlying land is owned by the north gate. So since they've purchased all of it kind of in encompasses it already. Yes. when we remove the easement. Okay. Does does that include the two uh home parcels that are above Fourth Street? So that they had an easement of a city road. That's correct. And that goes back to the original map. The original map which I think would be in the 20s or 30s, even further back. Okay. Yes. So thanks for letting me jump in. I just really wanted to make sure that we stayed on that to understand it fully.

Yeah. Because I think there's gonna be a lot of questions that we would share. So, I mean, we can Yeah. go through it that way. I guess I'm I'm not um still I It sounds like what what we're being told is that the streets are not public property. Um that's what we're being told. It's it's you know our our traffic division or our land development division can answer this but streets and cities typically are held by easement not owned in fee right I understand that but it's like um yeah I guess yeah all right I'm not sure

just to to follow up on that so the parcel that's in the south west corner that's not part of this project the old original honeys Do that does that site also partially own the easement of Fifth Street? Yes, it owns uh half of the street fronting its parcel

half of the street. Um so maybe if I could tag on a question I had. So since that parcel, if you will, the former Honeys, which I'll just refer to, [clears throat] is not part of this development, in looking at the site plan, it does show that the half of the street becomes part of the parking lot. And I would assume some sort of development even within part of their parcel. Is that correct? In order to make the parking lot, the traffic signals, the uh parking aisle areas, the landscaping. I'm wondering if you could speak to how that development of those areas can be part of this development if they're not part of it.

Right. That that is uh we did um take that into consideration with our conditions of approval. So, uh, it's my understanding that all of their improvements would be within the existing rightaway, not within the, uh, old original Honeys parcel, um, which would be private property, but, uh, in our conditions of approval, um, we will not vacate that portion of, uh, West Fifth Street in the event that they do not have any right to construct those improvements. However, they will be required to enter into an agreement with the city. Uh so that um the city is uh indemnified and they have uh you know we have clarification on maintenance requirements for those improvements. Um that is because the city is not planning to install these improvements or maintain them.

So could you clarify that? So the on the site plan as we see here on the screen, the far right gray portion that is in that new access road off the main street signal. So all of that will be developed as part of the entrance [clears throat] into the parking lot. Th this is this is a very good question that goes into the particulars of that access point. the Northgate uh uh the applicant and Northgate would have to demonstrate that they have control of that land um that is in that gray area where is that one half with that you're referring to. Okay.

Um because it's not in their ownership today. However, they'd have to demonstrate through a ground lease that they do have control and rights from the current owner of the old Honeys property before Chris Horn and his team could proceed with the street improvements or the site development improvements and grant them. So this is contingent upon them coming to an agreement with that land owner. Yeah. And that's a question for Northgate if you want to point it in that direction. Sure. When we move to public comment, I mean we can

on that. I had a question. Uh Mr. Horn. So let's say that they get this lease agreement made and the improvement the uh ingress there off of Main Street uh going west and east. How does that transition that ingress there? How does that transition to the existing property that's not part of this project? Um, for example, the gray area where it's showing parking uh eventually, I guess, if this is not being improved in the gray area, how does the north gate parking lot transition to this private property? What does that look like? that they would need to maintain access to that property. Um there would uh probably need to be a driveway uh or some sort of opening and entrance uh to you know allow access into the parking area. Uh so we you know we would have to work uh with the um with the rights uh that the developer has uh to um ensure that the there is still proper access into that parcel. Well, I understand the the entrance there, but to the left of that, further into their private property, how does that transition from private property into the Northgate property eventually? You're saying to the left on on the screen that's showing or

correct in the gray area there, the private property that's not involved in this project. If there is a lease agreement for that um entrance into Northgate parking lot, what does it look like to the left in that gray area? It just remains as is today or what does that look like? Is there a fence? Is there a barrier? How does that how do people remain off of the private property versus parking and circulating on the project site? I believe that there is a condition within development services that requires a reciprocal access easement or agreement and they will have to improve that uh access way and again the applicant can probably speak upon that but if I'm not mistaken

it's kind of a Paul Mitman again so we we have a we have a CCNR and reciprocal access to that parcel we also So have it ground leased. There's certain stipulations on what we can and can't do which is generally teny related regarding that building. Um Oh, so you would have access to the parking area for your market. What's that? You would have access to that parking area in gray for your market. There's recip there is reciprocal access I see. To that area? Yes. Okay.

I'm sorry. Can you better define that? Because I think we're just What will happen with the gray area, not the retail building itself, but the parking where it says Himley site? Mhm. Assuming you can come to an agreement with the with them. Uh you'll have access to the exit lane, but what will be the use of that gray area once this development's approved? if it's approved.

Uh that would be that would be an an a secondary phase. Um so we since we don't we have not identified teny um we we're not presenting that portion of the project. So it's fenced off and unaccessible. Uh well I think there's when we demo when we uh if we demo the the strip building there that's going to be fenced off as well. So, um, but right now there's security around most of the improvements there on the totality of the 4.7 acres, including the bank building.

I think it's more long-term. Are we going to pull in, make a right into the center and have a fence blocking the left, that gray portion, um, and that's going to be closed off and dark, or is it going to be open with your reciprocal access agreement? the access has to be open. Okay. So, yes, I think that's part of the concern that plus that parking field that's there. Is that going to be paved with the rest based on what you have aligned with this property owner or is it going to be kind of old?

Yeah. you know, since we don't have complete control of that project, that's why we're not pres, you know, until we find tenency that meets all the requirements and we work with with Eric Hamley, um, you know, that's for a f future discussion, but uh, the access will not be impeded to our project, uh, once we once we start construction. That that's our main construction access um during construction on Maine right there that you're showing off of Maine. Off of Maine. Correct.

Can I just one more clarifying question then? Hypothetically two years from now this project's approved. This is built out. You still are negotiating and working with the owner of this site. What does the exit aisle portion, so the sliver to the far right, which is cars exiting onto Main Street, is that fully developed as an exit roadway with full access to the light, or is this a partial road?

It's going to be a full access. We We need to get customers in and out of the project. It's in our best interest to fully improve that entryway. Um, so for purposes of this application, are you saying that that portion of the exit line from your proposed parking lot that actually should have been defined graphically different than it is? So that gray area is is a separate parcel owner. So I'm talking about the area with the exit lane. Yeah, that that the exit lane and the gray correct. That'll be improved.

Okay. So, I'm sorry. Are are you said Did I understand correctly? Are you saying you have a lease with the owner for that land? We we have a we have a we have a ground lease. Okay. But there's there's there's qualifications in that ground lease that don't give us 100% control of every aspect of that property.

Okay. So, so I mean, yeah, I I guess I'm having the same sticking point like as to what the entrance and exit looks like if it's a separate parcel that's not being developed. And I mean, that's just one, but I think it is required as part of the overall development that that entire entrance exit is constructed as we're seeing it. So, we'll leave it to him that he really can't or won't start without making sure he can complete all of that work. Is that a fair statement?

If I may, um that access is their primary access and it has to be improved. So, it'll be paved. The entire access will be paved. It's um to not only provide them full access, but also to meet fire's requirement as well. It's a fire access as well. So once it's paved, I would imagine that Northgate would probably fence it, rem move the fence further to the left to where the parking spaces begin so that that acts as a fully open. That was my original question. Thank you.

I mean, there's a lot of public improvements here from the sidewalks to the signals to the medians to, you know, access is paramount for this project. So, um, right, of course, it's in your interest to have that, you know, done. And I think I think all of us, it's just a matter that there's no supporting documentation. It wasn't, you know, clearly spelled out for us in the staff report. Um, and and you know, and the the map there being gray over the part two, I think doesn't help help the matter. So, um, Okay. Do you have another

I have a a couple other roadway and maybe traffic related questions if I could. Um so bring your attention down to South Washurn Avenue. So Fourth Street is being vacated and goes away as do two residential structures. So there's a new resident that's at or there's a remaining resident at number 332 Washurn. So the Washurn Street, if if I understand off the site plan, there really is no change in front of the existing home that remains. And now it's a turning basin with parking. Is that correct?

That is correct. And so the traffic analysis, [snorts] so I guess the intent is that um retail traffic would then come down Washburn and potentially park there to access the the market and the

That's correct. So it's [clears throat] from what uh what is occurring with the project is that it the fourth street will be partially vacated. Uh and the reason that's stated is the city will still maintain an access easement from the alley uh that's just behind the market. So that will be maintained for uh trash pickup and so forth. Trash trucks will go down the alley exit as well as any residents will be able to still have access uh out to Bell Avenue. Okay. Thank you. So so the the it was shown in one of the elevation drawings that you displayed for us. So that four street in a sense becomes a gated alley.

It will be gated at the point of uh where the back of the building commences and it will have a firebox uh for emergency uh purposes. But that's correct. Uh the traffic will not be able to circulate behind the market uh at that at that point only through the alley going uh westbound. And I believe our traffic uh city traffic engineer can elaborate a little bit more. Hi Ros. Yeah. And those um parking stalls that you see there along that little knuckle, those are existing parking stalls that are there today. So we just kept them existing. Oh, they are. Okay. So that's I think that's behind the gas station. Yeah. [clears throat] Okay. So that that shape general shape remains.

Yes. And so we're not creating a a vacant alley that just becomes an isore. And no. Could you go back one slide where you're showing the partial um vacating of fourth? That's it. Thank you. So those are highlighted for fifth and uh for fourth, but uh could you reiterate what you said uh Miss Lopez about the uh 8t on bell? What does that look like?

Yes. I apologize. I think I'm going to go ahead and have uh development services explain that a little bit further. Yes, I believe it's 6 feet and uh we are vacating the 6 feet. I think it's north of the driveway at Fifth Street uh to the north end of the project. Uh that is because the uh the Bell Avenue is a uh collector street and we have excess rightway. We have six additional feet of rideway that's not required uh per our general plan for that street.

So the rideway is being vacated. The street width is not being changed. That's correct. Got it. Because that is the primary way for all the semis to come in to back up into the docks in the north part of the project, the two bays there. Yes. Thank you, Commissioner Woody. I know we took a lot of your questions and ran with them. Do you have more questions?

Yeah. Uh, so I I'm still struggling with this idea of the of the the streets sort of just somehow going to the the neighboring property owners because looking at a parcel map, you know, on the county parcel map, those those they don't appear to be connecting. you know, the these 13 parcels have gaps in between them where the streets are. So, I'm I'm struggling to identify the, you know, the idea of just of saying that that the city doesn't own those that the, you know, city only has an easement because they they it it doesn't appear to be owned by a prop, you know, a private owner. So, I I I still trying to get a better understanding of that. And then the the houses um you know uh just on the north side of Fourth Street on Washborne and uh and Bell I guess. Um, so in in one of the in in one of the maybe the precise plan map that I was looking at here, there's there's saying something existing building to be demolished. Is that is that one of those houses? Um, Mr. Woody, I I remember on the one of the first slides u that you presented showed as part of the GPA, right? Right there at the top. So So addresses 323 and 332. That's what I was referring to. Maybe you could

describe I kind of questioned that too, right? So were those purchased as part of this development? That's correct. Okay. So that wasn't stated. So those those two parcels 323 and 332 were purchased as part of this development. That's correct. They owned the easement of Fourth Street. It's my understanding from speaking with development services that they own they do own up to the street center line and the city has um essentially an easement for roadway purposes and that easement is what needs to be uh abandoned or vacated.

Okay. So homes number 319 and 322 those remain and they abut this access alley that's behind the loading bay.

That's correct. So there is a separation I believe it's a little over um 75 ft if I'm not mistaken from the block wall to the actual back of the uh market. And the applicant did purchase uh 323 as well as the other property on Washburn and has uh since cleared the uh project site. So they've demoed the the two homes and currently if you drive out there now they're uh they're vacant lots at this point in time. They've already been torn down. That's that is both. Yeah, I drove it. I was confused by it.

The uh then I had a question. So, looking at this one on the right, uh, for lot D, [clears throat] uh, how and Fourth Street and the 401 lot, how where does the market footprint? You said 75 ft. My my concerns are the residents at 319 and 320 and you said a buffer of 75 ft. Where does the back of the market building uh, lie? give us an idea of where the docking bays are. Uh, is it that one there? Okay. And there's a rendering that shows that view. Mhm.

Okay. So, this one right here is good. So, this residential is the 319 and the 320 uh on the east side here. Correct. So, the distance there and that's the is that the 10-ft wall that separates the dock bays? Yeah, there's a 12-oot wall that is uh located right at the uh dock loading area and then there is also a an additional six-ft wall that's located along the entire northern perime uh perimeter of the site uh as well as a 10-ft landscaped uh densely landscaped uh setback area along the northern property lane.

Okay. So, on the south side there, the uh across from the little building indentation, I don't know what happens there, but is that some type of uh is that where the box trucks on the bottom and is that a compactor back there? That was That's a trash compactor down there. That's correct. So, the actual loading is uh on the north side there. Okay, I get that. Uh yeah, and it's not Yeah, correct. It's on the north side, but it's facing Bell Avenue, which is really like the west side.

Got it. Um, what is it? Okay, I'll hold on to that. Thank you,

Commissioner Woody. So, okay. um the the staff report is you know for the um for this item for the general plan amendment. So, one of one of the findings or determinations, I guess, that we're being asked to um I don't know, maybe it's maybe I'm just trying to make sure I understand this, but there's a there's a a section that says the replacement of the lowdensity residential with mixeduse um development on the property says it does not confl conflict with government code section 66300H1. one

[sighs] uh says residential use continues to be provided for under because because it's saying as such the amendment maintains a no net loss in residential capacity it's so I guess how I mean

how do you take out homes and not lose residential capacity I think it's it based on the zoning it's still you still can have it it's just not on this property I had a question with that too because I was reluctant to bring them all uh to consolidate them for some reason. I I I thought the mixed use for this project wouldn't be a fit. I mean, if you're truly going for a destination, why would you need the um mixeduse designation? Uh but then when you went down under the proposed amendment, the second paragraph down talking about including residential components, um then the last paragraph where it's talking about the the changes and there's no net loss. I also had questions on that. That is why they're going to the MUD designation. um because with the mud designation there wouldn't be um it it wouldn't be a net loss um because it still is in the plans for mixed use which includes the residential component. So that's where I came to uh conclude that uh it all has to be compacted and for that reason there isn't a net loss. So I was okay with that.

But but there is no residential component, right? But under mixed use, it has a residential allowances which is the planning portion of no net loss is what I understood. Maybe staff could clarify that. Sandra.

Yes. So you have it right, Commissioner Alexander. Under the proposed general plan designation, residential use continues to be provided for even though this project itself is not does not include a residential component, but the zoning the general plan designation continues to provide for it. Um the proposed downtown district zoning also continues to provide for it as well. So, and it's really just to meet this technical requirement under under the um under Senate Bill 330. That's the purpose of us of of that information in the staff report.

And it was the because my my reluctancy was that I didn't want a layer an overlay like we approved in the past uh with Joanne as far as uh overlay for commercial where it would be eventually if it was bought out it could go to highdensity residential or whatnot. But for this particular project, the MUD designation is for the um consistency as far as across the whole project. So I I did get that portion of it. Thank you.

Um I had one more land use question. So going back to the existing general plan exhibit that shows the existing land use. It shows the home that was I'll call it 332 that was purchased that that was actually classified as uh general commercial not residential. That's correct. And so did so that changed obviously those homes have been there for a long time. So did this whole area was changed to general commercial even though it was residential?

That is correct. So, at some point in time, it it was like many areas in the in the downtown within the Circle area. Um, it was residential at some point in time or multif family potentially, but at some point in time when maybe Main Street was uh reconfigured, it was the land use changed to uh something other than residential. Okay.

I had a question, Miss Lopez, regarding the uh attachments. This one's exhibit 8 that came from the state uh [clears throat] regarding envir uh toxic substances when we looked at latitude projects for example you know that historical land use had pits and I mean going back years so that was the trigger for the environmental soil testing and all of that. uh in this um November 25th letter, it talks a lot about soil and testing and this and that. Was there a trigger historically on this landsite uh similar to latitude that would trigger a letter like this?

No. Uh there was [clears throat] there was three um phase one environmental site assessment uh reports, large reports that were done and they are up on the city's website as well. Uh but none of the reports essentially um identified any any uh areas of concern. Um out of precaution, uh there was uh subsurface assessment testing done. There was two subsurface assessment testings done uh within the bank building area as well as the um the area in the commercial uh strip area and uh or commercial strip center and that is because there was a former uh previous dry cleaner uh located there. However, uh the subsurface assessment testing did not reveal any um recognized environmental concerns and so therefore it did not uh require any further uh any further testing or any further investigation. Um and so that is um that is with the with the technical studies that were performed for the project site. Uh however it's interesting that we did receive the letter from uh uh department of toxic um DTSC services um and within the building conditions uh it there is a condition uh within the building department that identifies that um the plans essentially the soils uh reports have to be in compliance with with DTSC's letter uh and as well as development services has also included a condition uh that any testing be in compliance with DTSC. So, those items have been uh addressed within the project's conditions.

Um I saw that. Thank you. I just thought it was unusual that it would be triggered. We have other projects coming before us and and they usually don't weigh in unless there is historic uh land use um uh operations on site. That is correct. Thank you.

Additional questions? I do uh because I'm trying to go in the order that it was presented that would take us to the GPA. Um so I just wanted to confirm the existing bank citizens bank remains in that existing parcel and is there a restaurant tenant for the new space? I don't believe there is but I'm sure the applicant can answer that. So we can when the the only other change with the citizens bank, the bank itself will remain as as is, but the actual drive-through bank teller uh the ATM that will be demolished.

Okay. And just lastly, the existing Honeys building, uh it shows that it's zoned MUD. Um, has there been any research from a zoning standpoint that there's any unique grandfathering of anything that that parcel has attached to it that we're not aware of or has not been presented to us? I'm not familiar with with any. I'm not sure property. I'm not sure if Sandra is, but I'm not familiar with any. [clears throat]

And I asked that only because at some point should this be approved and there's an ultimate agreement then something's going to happen with that that land. And is there anything unique we should know about

if if um if Northgate um is allowed to if their agreement with with the property owner allows them to improve the property in any way it would have to come back before the planning planning and development department for review. Um if they're just doing some minor architectural upgrades that would probably be looked at at staff level requiring director approval only. If they're doing major architectural modifications, uh it will likely come back before the planning houses commission for review.

Any pavement of a parking lot would only be reviewed by staff. Um it's really mostly major architectural changes, major additions that would kick it back before the planning housing commission, possibly a CUP if it were to be a drive-thru or something that qualifies a requirement of a CUP. If the zoning requires a CUP for a particular use and that's what's being proposed then yes they would have to come back before you.

I had a question on top of that. Um Miss Vanian so it's not part of this project. I get that but its zoning its current zoning does not allow a drive-thru does it not? Or it does.

I'd have to look at the zoning. I mean for example the okay we'll I have that question and my other question was um looking at the presentation of the traffic flow for the deliveries um one of the attachments here that was included in our packet exhibit 7 uh questions from the public um I also had questions regarding Bell Avenue and I don't know if uh Rosie could address it is uh it's a collector street and would today before the project even came to us would semi-trs be allowed on bell

they're allowed in order to access the site yes that is how we determine the truck route the only reason why I say I mean there is commercial obviously the cleaners and the other u businesses there and they obviously get deliveries Um, but they would be allowed strictly for deliveries. Correct. Only if they're going to that site. Like you you mentioned other projects where you see trucks kind of bypassing. They may not use Bell as a as a route.

Okay. I mean, driving the area, you know, obviously within the circle, there's a lot of uh very narrow streets. Bell uh wasn't as narrow as Washburn. and as I drove the other streets to the west. Um, but once the traffic comes through, is there um I mean parking is limited and I drove around and saw the garages or the alleys or where the residents there uh park on the street. Um, but for a safety factor on the east side, I wonder if it was looked at for reducing parking to give these big trucks uh just a wider uh wider safety margin for up to 16 travels in a day of these trucks back and forth. Um, if they don't come back out through Bell, uh, they have to come out back through Bell, right? because they're not going to go north on third, right?

That's correct. Okay. Uh how does that um I mean I know we're going to get to the p precise plan and we can talk about that further, but um I had a concern about the width of Bell and other streets that semiis are allowed to use in the city. So just for delivery back and forth. Thank you. Yeah, I I kind of questioned the, you know, how because if we're talking full-size semi-truckss, you know, how they would get in, are they would they be backing into the loading docks? It would look like so they they'd be taking up I I mean, I didn't quite

Yeah. Do you have a good graphic of how they would move? Thank you. Because the slide I saw No, it was one that helpful. There it goes. This is this I think it talked about traffic flow on this one. This was the slide I remembered seeing, but it's so it's that wide curve up there where Bell hits the vacated fourth street. Yes. So, so semi-truckss would need to come up a little bit past that last uh northern driveway and they would essentially they would be backing into the uh loading area

and then as they exit they would exit. I guess my uh concern is for the local residents. Uh the traffic flow currently from the school down the street. Um that is a major travel uh for them to get out of that area. Uh and with 16 potentially 16 truckloads going through that was my concern. So we'll look at it further with the precise plan as far as parking.

Yeah. Um I I guess I'm still struggling and and I I with the idea of the streets, you know, I um cuz the where where those Yeah. I they don't look like the those are private, you know, I so just and it goes against everything we've ever done here. You know, we've had land that we determine, you know, the city can get rid of. um the council agrees with it and then the city gets rid of something and and you know now we're being told that that the city doesn't actually own the streets that it's I I mean that's that's nothing we've ever heard before. I mean

yeah for me if it was these streets were only servicing the properties that they owned. I would feel one way, but I'm curious how much traffic is on Fifth Street that isn't and Fourth Street that aren't the parcels that they are acquiring. [snorts] Like how many other people are impacted by losing this public street? [snorts] There was a requirement for a traffic impact analysis or traffic impact study and those items were essentially vetted out. our our city traffic engineer reviewed their uh traffic impact study as well as their scoping agreement uh for the traffic. So, I think Rosie might be able to elaborate a little bit more. Uh but it's my understanding that those streets were not vital enough to keep open. Um that's my understanding from reviewing the traffic impact analysis and and looking at the findings. To clarify, you're asking the people off fifth street closing it off from Maine. How would it be impacted? Um the traffic um they can technically still go through, but it we be now private, but the trip distribution didn't show any impacts to Fifth Street.

Well, it could still go through through private, but you're, you know, getting head on into the parking lot uh versus going up Bell. So now they'll be competing with semi trucks and box trucks making their deliveries throughout the day. Um uh so the whether it's residential or whether they're coming off cutting through off of uh grand west grand coming through um it's going to get complicated.

Could I could I kind of add on to that um Karen? So looking at the site plan that we have on the screen, [clears throat] a 53 foot trailer or even a 40ft trailer that's backing into the loading dock. There's no turn area within this parking lot for them. So I envision what that truck's going to do is come down Bell Avenue, make a left on Fifth Street between the two residential four areas on both um yeah, Fourth Street. Thank you. And then back down into the loading dock. And that we're now making that fifth street a residential street a truck route. So unless there's some explanation how that trailer would back into that loading dock by not going around the residential areas. This site plan doesn't clarify that. the city's, excuse me, the applicant's traffic engineer is also in the audience. Uh, and so when you do open up uh the the item for public comments, I'm sure the applicants traffic engineer will be able to clarify that as well.

Okay.

Um, I do have a uh I I did include three additional slides at the end of uh my presentation. Northgate currently has uh a similar layout with uh within couple of other cities that they're operating out of. Um I did speak to one of the planning managers in in in another city that they are operating out of just to get clarification of the city has had any issues uh with deliveries uh with residents and they assured me that there was there was no issues that they have not had any problems and I I didn't have an email. I should have printed it out and I apologize, but um that is I do have an email uh um if the commission were to want to see that. But um I could see if I can get to the end of the slides here just to help u maybe show what Northgate has and uh two other cities. So um this is one of their locations in the city of Southgate. Um, so the loading area is located uh along the um western property line uh along the back as well. And this is one of the cities that uh that the planning manager did respond to me and they said that they have not had issues with the residents uh and that Northgate has been very responsive uh in their city. This is another uh location within actually that same city. Uh but the loading area is also uh located in the back. And then this is their I believe this is their Wilmington location where uh the loading area is also located in the back of the

Lopez. Could you go back to the first site where it said San Vicente? Yes. There on the west side there. Um, so they're coming in off of San Vicente or they're coming in Yeah, let's north of Tweety. It looks like they're coming in off of San Vicente. They pull in and they and they back in to the site. Okay. But they're on site within the proper project site. Correct. Versus and they're doing their turns to the bay there. Yes. Versus using a side residential to make that Yeah.

and back it in type thing. and go to the next one, please. And one more. All right. So, all of them are self-sufficient on site uh versus this is different in that it would have to use Fifth Street. Um, all right. Thank you. Mhm. I think they could also pull like continue on Bell and then back in without turning on fifth or fourth, but I think that um

go back to our uh project, please. Yeah. And that's and that's that's the intent uh with this site plan. So, they would essentially uh pass that last driveway, the northern driveway, and then they would essentially back in at that point. um if I may ro right but there you have to consider the the tractor and the trailer length is at least 60 to 90 feet in length so packing into that

okay so they're going to go beyond that orange uh arrow uh to go if they were to go on Bell continue north on Bell and then do the back in. So that is still as you go up Bell, those are still uh residential. Um they're going on both sides of the street actually at that point and then they would have to back in that way or turn on to fourth like we were saying before and back back in there that way.

The the map doesn't show it very clearly, but you're correct. Um, I had to actually squint to find it. But yes, they're going to do basically kind of like a backwards hammerhead, threepoint turn to back in. And then when they exit, they're just going to head right out. Oh, is the lighter gray here. Oh, I see. I see that now. Oh, I see. Okay. So, it's reversed of what you have in the darker lines. I see. The darker line is them exiting. So the very faint gray is when it goes off the map. Are you saying that the delivery truck will back down Bell Avenue? Yes.

And make a backing 90° turn into the loading dock. They will back in into the loading dock. Correct. So then how will they get at that orientation that their cab is facing west if they're entering? They're continuing northbound on Bell past the driveway and then backing in. So now past the driveway in front of the residences. Yes. It just on the exhibit that you have there. They pretty much go off off screen. Is is parking permitted currently on on Vel? Yeah. Yes,

that's why I was bringing up the parking issue, but that'll be more of the precise plan. So, and I guess along the I know we you asked a little bit about the bank building or somebody did and you know if if a drive-thru if you know because potentially would we need a a cup for that? And I mean do um the grocery store there's no need for a cup. Is that I think in the staff report it said it's by right due to the zoning market. Yes, that's correct. MUD zoning. Is that it? That's correct.

I did want to um answer um the question earlier regarding drive-thrus on that Hemley parcel or basically on the downtown zoning. Um restaurants with drive-thrus are not permitted. Um, however, a coffee shop with the drive-through requires a condition permit, [clears throat] much like the Starbucks up on Prominade was a cup. Correct. Okay, got it. Any other questions from commissioners for staff? [snorts]

U, Miss Hipia, did we receive any speaker cards or written comments from the public regarding this item, which is the mitigated negative deck? We did receive one speaker card from Mr. Morgan. Okay, [snorts] Mr. Morgan, the public hearing is now open. If you wish to speak, please come to the podium. [snorts]

So, I have uh two cards. I have one for 7.1 and one for 7.4. So, the GPA, which I understand is re concerns the vacation of Fifth Street or am I understanding that correctly? Fifth and fourth. Yeah. Yeah. [snorts] Go ahead. Oh, I I was asking I I was asking if I if I understand it correctly. I'm speaking on I have two cards. One for the what we're on now is the mitigation of the negative declaration.

Which which item which item is that? Um 0003 7.1, right? 7.1. Mhm.

7.1. Okay. So, seems like the obvious question slashsolution is not vacating fifth street. Um by vacating six fifth street, you end up running all the traffic through the neighborhood where you really only got one little planter in the middle of it. Leave the street open. Aesthetically, I guess it's not ideal. That's 7.4. But, you know, just to to vacate it and then run the traffic around through the neighborhood and having trucks back and it seems like the obvious solution is to leave the street and then they can park and they can do their maneuvering on their property with full access. You know, I I don't think there's any anybody has any quarrel with Northgate. Everybody's looking forward to it, but you know, to have these kind of concessions for no apparent reason and with the great cost of losing access and losing losing the ability to to maneuver the trucks on site, seems like there's a lot wrong with how this is laid out, especially in light of how we've dealt with other shopping centers in the not too distant past, Fullerton and Ontario, where the building was reoriented. So, you know, they came in with it back and up to the houses and they turned it 90°, put the loading dock on the other side. So, you know, it seemed like obviously for this item, the the the clear the clear item is not to vacate Fifth Street. It doesn't really add anything. It doesn't have much benefit, but it also, you know, kind of kind of shuffles more traffic to the back of the building. So if you just left the street and then you don't have the you don't you don't have the issue with the adjoining building. You don't have the issue with the adjoining parcel. You don't have all the questions about who's going to maintain it because it could remain a street. You know I guess like I said you lose one little strip of planter. I guess some of the aesthetics work but functionally it

seems like it would work a lot better. Just don't vacate the street. So that that's it for 71. Perfect. Thank you. Any additional speaker cards? Not for this item, chair. Perfect. I know we had questions for the applicant. Are the questions that we have for the applicant relevant to the mitigated negative deck and um yes, I do have

perfect. Okay. Can we get the applicant up? [snorts] Hi, Mr. Mafin. Thank you. Um, keeping it germaine to the general plan amendment. Um, you talked about community engagement, uh, being part of the community, which I think was all, um, appropriate and and good to hear that. I'd like to hear what uh community engagement there was with the neighborhood in relation to uh this development. Um the impact to the homes that are going to be adjoining to the uh property and maybe tying into the conversation of trucks and traffic and all that in the neighborhood.

Was there any community engagement and if you could tell us about that? So, we were going to do a public outreach. Um, there was some uh recent activity regarding ICE and some of the other immigration things. And regarding our tier one customer, um we thought it would be more appropriate not to do a general uh setting or uh you know assembly uh regarding that which is the most effective way to do those. Um, so I've actually spoken to a couple of residents that have lived back there, not specifically on um on Bell, but from that neighborhood um that is welcoming us. Um, regarding some of the history, you know, back behind uh our our site there, one of those parcels is actually zoned commercial. And the question is, how do you get a truck back there? Because we're actually trying to mitigate that. It either has to be through Bell or some a smaller street than Bell to actually access that commercial street. So by maintaining, you know, a lot of that commercial traffic along Bell, um, with regards to the loading, I think actually mitigates some of the existing challenges with with the zoning designations of that neighborhood. Um, not I'm I'm not skirting your question, but um, you know, we didn't want to do a general assembly just because of some of the local

Sure. things that have been going on in and around um, you know, the some of the communities that we serve. Okay. And then the other question I had, uh, what is unique about the Corona location here for Northgate? You've talked a lot about adapting the the property and the building to the needs of the community. I'm just curious what what's different about this location here in Corona from your others?

You know, Corona specifically um you know, this is a really special, you know, intersection um that is kind of bicts m multiple neighborhoods. Um and uh if you look at the demographic profile um of the city uh specifically along the 91 corridor um you really get your traditional uh more ethnic customer um that we serve really really well. Um and then you know as you move up um Main Street uh you know the demographic um uh changes to some degree uh which we serve that customer extremely well um as as well. We call that our tier tier three customer. And so, you know, with its proximity to a bunch of different demographics, mixed demographics, um, we serve those communities, uh, surprisingly very well. And um and so I think with that, in addition to just being, you know, kicking off kind of really your downtown um some of the plans that you have for downtown area, I think our plan, you know, would seat that um that kickoff really well and hopefully uh create additional development in the downtown is what we're hoping. Um, so that we're our project's more or less going to be a Kickstarter for that, but we also have proximity to the to the 1591 freeway, you know, and so some some of these cities um, you know, have certain issues with sales tax dollars leeching into, you know, surrounding communities and not

capturing sales tax dollars. And I think, you know, this location um will allow for, you know, some additional uh commerce and um some additional draw to your downtown, which I think will support, you know, the the project and your overall plan uh surprisingly really well. So hopefully um what we're hoping is, you know, for a healthy marriage between what you guys are planning in the rest of your community and us doing our part and bringing in uh uh the broader community, but also serving, you know, the the local community as well.

Great. Thank you. Uh can can I ask a question then? So, how long have has um the company owned any or all of these parcels? Um Michelle could probably answer that. Was it four or five years?

Yeah. So, if you couldn't hear that, it's a little bit longer than four or five years ago. We started with the strip center acquisition and then it was followed by the uh citizens bank and then you know we started doing selective acquisitions um on on all those various parcels um including the the two residential parcels or one commercial one residential parcel and and when were those those uh two parcels um the the Washburn and the and the parcel. Were those more recent? I think those were on the latter.

Sorry, Michelle Gonzalez. I'm part of the third generation for Northgate Markets and um we're

Oh, sorry. Uh part of the third generation for Northgate Markets and um I was telling that one my my grandfather's dream was to go ahead and have stores in the Inland Empire. And two of the locations he wanted was in uh Riverside where we do have it and Corona cuz he thought it was an amazing uh city and we do currently have 45 associates living in the community. So they're very excited to hopefully open the store as well. But to your question, um we do we purchased it as part of the Dr. Shambi portion. So it was about three years ago I think

it was the two houses the street and the vacant land. Could I ask you a question regarding the the footprint where the building is being proposed to us today? How many other perspectives uh did you look at as far as the layout of the building um regarding the operations in the back, you know, um um abuing to the residential uh versus um putting some kind of a facing for main street facing it towards the residential or how you know how did that work?

We did we do you want to go ahead or do you want me to take it? We did uh we did look at it and we looked at uh the neighborhood and I apologize. We normally do as Paul said, we do have a a town hall meeting to go ahead and give more information. Uh but as Paul explained the reason why um but we do we have several stores that are around the um residential and we do have the footprints they are in size. Some are 40, some are uh bigger and some are smaller. and we did take a look at it because we thought uh the city of uh Corona deserved this beautiful store uh which I think will be amazing.

Well, I have to say that when it was publicly announced, it was everything from my neighbor across the street to uh just social media. They're very excited uh for you guys to be in Corona. Um [applause] um see here. Um, I was just curious though about looking at the operation side. Uh, I did visit uh your Anaheim stores, five of them. Drove around and looked at the layout of the back operations. Uh, you're a common theme is that you're in the middle of the community, the residential uh walking um uh to is is very easy. It's very accessible in those neighborhoods, uh, east and and, uh, Lincoln and, um, Harbor, La Palma, all of those. Uh, and, uh, I did see the mitigation that was done for the two-story elementary school there, that screening, uh, was well done, uh, as far as being a good neighbor for the next door. Um, and it's interesting when you did your presentation about the layout being unique for each of those positions. For example, the little corner strip mall where it's right there in the corner. Uh, and um, so that was unique uh, to that area. So I I do agree when you it resonated with me when you were doing your presentation is each one is unique based on the neighborhood and the surrounding area. So, uh, I did agree with that. Um, it's it's the proximity to those homes, and I I get it. They're in a commercial area. There is commercial to the east of them. Um, uh, Washburn is commercial over there. Uh, they're

aligned by Main Street, a very busy street. Um, so it's not something unusual to them. Um, I'll talk more on the precise plan as far as goes, but thank you for speaking. Thank you, Commissioner Woody. Anything.

So, I guess maybe either of you can can respond um because you have this this plan obviously um you know, complete enough to submit to us for review. Um but you know, the the plan does involve um the [snorts] city vacating two streets. uh which we've talked quite a bit about up here. Um so I I and and staff did not really provide me any uh details on how that came to be other than saying that it was uh something that was presented to them. So that makes it sound like it was your idea um you know for the city to you know turn over two streets for this is I mean is that accurate of the way that that I'm putting it? Yeah, I think that's that was part of the original design since uh we were controlling all the underlying land um and the city had an easement. We were trying to figure out how how is the activation of this corner the best and what makes sense for the community. And generally when we're developing groundup stores, you know, 40,000 square ft is the perfect size for us. You know, that's what what we're doing right now in Morirana Valley and a number of other cities. And so, um, so for us, you know, we were trying to figure out how to get into this community and how and how do we activate the space most appropriately. And so parking is extremely important for us. Um we want to do well. We want to have as many customers service as many customers as there. Everyone hates circulating parking lots looking for a space because a a place is popular. And so, you know,

we wanted to be overparked, you know, not underparked, you know, and so the activation of those areas, uh, was key. Um, and so we looked at a number of layouts, you know, uh, with loading, parking circulation, etc. from people, you know, thinking that it's a public street and racing through a parking lot versus, you know, um, you know, having trucks um there, you know, all of it was, you know, worked on extensively and we even, you know, took some recommendations from the city and changed our plans multiple times. I mean, we we have been working on this project extensively. We've spent tons of money on design, you know, and everything getting everything, you know, as as perfect as possible and everything's, you know, there are compromises and we understand that and, you know, we've we've taken those into consideration um with the city's comments and, you know, we want we want to be a good partner with the city. We want a good relationship with those homeowners, you know, and that's something, you know, we we do. And so, um, so we we actually own some property around some of our, um, stores as well. And, um, and so we're we're very attuned to the needs of the residential in and around, you know, our our stores.

Okay. Thanks. Thank you. Thank you so much. Any other questions? Okay. Um with that, the public hearing is now closed. Um questions or comments from my colleagues? Um I just wanted to further talk about my uh uh visits uh in uh in the other stores. I I just hadn't heard of Northgate. Never been to one. Um, so what missing out?

I Oh, my neighbor is telling me definitely. So, um, I went out to Anaheim, as I said. I went to Riverside, Costa Mesa, and I specifically was looking at the flow of traffic in the parking lot and how it is in proximity to the uh major streets and how it exit into it. Um the common theme of it being around neighborhoods was a strong theme. Um the the the sites that were adjacent to a major corridor where they had to exit out of a signal became problematic uh for some of the sites because the queuing in front of the store where the pedestrians are, the carts are uh all of that was backed up because of the signal at the major street. Uh specifically when I went out to State College, the queueing for southbound traffic to get into the project was backed up beyond which is a problem with us. It always has been uh backing up 10 12 cars that went out of the queue and into the main uh street which was a hazard. Um, this I I I don't see anybody uh in any of those sites that I visited cutting through one of their parking lots to go to another street to there's no way you would want to enter as a driver to get to a destination, go through the parking lot. Uh there's there's a reason why there's large parking lot. They use every stall. Uh it's very well uh attended, very popular. Uh very full. So that said, I would not be in favor of um not vacating fifth. It needs to be a property uh in its to be contiguous. It just has to be

from what I witnessed on all seven of those sites. um as far as it being uh you know in our downtown uh being a site to be honest with you as the city was presenting it to the uh community I don't recall a market being in the plans of a destination uh in this area uh but it is allowed by uh zone and by the plans in specific plan um uh by right which was in the um uh staff report uh I I think we need to work a little bit on uh all the sites that I saw had delivery times and it was posted. There were signs on some of them on the back area that said quiet please. So being a good neighbor for the residences. Um so when the applicant speaks about this uh investment in the community, I did see evidence of that. It's just not in a presentation. Um I think we need to talk about parking on Bell uh when we get closer to it. But that said, um I believe the vacating of the parcels uh the streets that was necessary just from what I witnessed at the other sites.

Commissioner Woody. Yeah, I mean I I I the site plan overall I I think has [snorts] you know pretty pretty solid. I you know I I still I have concerns about the semi trucks um and the loading dock. Um you know I I think you know I I think it would have been ideal to somehow maybe have trucks come in from Main Street. um you know if if things were designed a little bit differently um you know but but the idea I I I mean I'm not against the idea of vacating either of those streets um but the legal part of it um like I said earlier in my comments and my questions it's never been anything that we've just done you know um without it um at this point. I mean, before a project is even approved, I mean, we're reszoning, we're reszoning, um, based on the idea that we're g, you know, giving away like the words you said, chair, um, giving away this property. Um, and then, you know, we were kind of told that, well, no, the city doesn't actually own it. But, you know, looking at the county property map, I mean, those those parcels do not seem to so, so I guess I would be comfortable getting an explanation from the city attorney. Um, you know, and until that point, I don't feel comfortable saying, "Yeah, yes, that's this is all correct. uh we're giving you know I if if the city attorney says no we do we actually don't own that land it is an easement

and they can explain you know um explain that to me um that you know and and but otherwise if we do you know how come there is no no um you know remuneration I guess um because yeah every other time we've made the determination that city can get rid of property you know, it's because they're selling it to somebody or or or maybe contributing it um to a a joint agreement. Um so that's that's kind of my concern, one of my main concerns. And also then um the the you know the idea of the no net loss uh with the residential capacity, I I still am struggling to um fully grasp that. I understand the way other people um are seeing it, but uh again there is a statute cited that that that has to comply with and so again if I could hear from a a legal um source about how it does comply then I would be comfortable. The only thing that comes to mind is when we had the uh down in Arantine and they had that easement for that last phase of uh homes and there was some kind of a a trail that was going to be designated as a trail and I believe we did vote on vacating [clears throat] that to turn it over uh because there was a gate at one end and we thought well why would we limit the public's access to that? And I don't uh I do believe we just it was just a vote and it would

share if I could ask a qualifying question. I I believe someone on staff mentioned that there would be a follow-up consistency determination on [clears throat] on the forgiveness of this easement. Is that is that correct? I thought I heard something along those lines. We actually could you maybe explain that?

Hi, I'm my name is Jennifer. Um I'm the director of land development at Web Associates and we're the civil engineer for the project. Um those easements are just easements for public access. Um whoever has said it previously, um Northgate does have the underlying fee ownership of that land. Um it's very typical throughout Riverside County and all the cities within it um to do this process where where the public access is just an easement. So in the event that it is vacated, it just goes back to the underlying fee ownership which would be Northgate. Um, if you have any specific questions, I'd be happy to try to answer them, but it's a very typical practice and I I understand the way that it looks on a map. Um, but the the the the actual fee ownership of the land does go to the center line of those alleys,

right? And I can I can add to that that what we look for to determine if it's owned in fee by the city or by the adjacent landlord is uh an existence of a grant deed or language on the dedicating map. And in this case, there appears to be none of those records. Um, I will also add too that if for whatever reason it was determined that the city did own and fee, the streets and highways code would dictate that we would have to properly dispose of that property and it would allow for the city council to sell it in that case, which we have done before.

Yeah. And I I can also assure you that my my staff has reviewed title reports from title companies that basically plot all of the record incumbrances. Um and they pull all the easements, the grant deeds, everything associated with the property. Um so I mean we're we're pretty confident that that we know what we're dealing with and and it would just be vacating an easement for the public right away.

Perfect. Thank you. I guess well I'm sorry. I guess what that kind of touches upon something I wanted to ask Mr. Horn. I guess um if if the city does vacate these streets um and I'm sure this must have been reviewed. I mean is there any impact to um city infrastructure such as sewers or um you know other whatever is below those streets. [snorts]

Yes. Uh there are um utilities in those streets. Uh street lights. Uh there is some areas of sewer and water. Uh the applicant is proposing to relocate uh some of those utilities. Um any utility that were to remain in a vacated street, we would reserve an easement for and we would obviously ensure that we have all the access that we need to maintain that utility properly. Ju [clears throat] just to add on that that we're talking about street easements here, but there's a ton of easements on properties like this. There's water infrastructure, power infrastructure, sewer infrastructure, you know, telecommunications infrastructure, and the developer is responsible to either secure easements, relocate easements and infrastructure um in all the forms that, you know, Chris had just mentioned. Um this it is very common in older downtowns to um vacate streets when you're consolidating lots because historically these are small lots and to do any type of larger scale development it takes a lot consolidation which often incorporates smaller streets. the east west thorough affairs here that dominate that traffic is third street and sixth street and I think we're all aware of those streets and so and there's a nominal impact to this community you know with this project coming into play in terms of their own community circulation they'll flow to third they'll flow to six like they often do today to get to Maine and or somewhere more westbound um I'm very confident in the pro in the process that we've done with with Webon Associates and our and our land development team here at the city in terms of our easements Um uh I don't have an issue there. Um there's a good concern that you presented earlier about how does a truck, you know, make a delivery. I think Northgate may project one truck a day. Um

16 four trucks. Four trucks a day. [snorts] I'm talking about the I'm talking about the the 18 wheelers. Yeah. It's it's four to five uh daily deliveries. Four to five a day.

Okay. And what you see in that three-point turn on the graphic as a truck will go northbound on Bell and it makes that three-point turn backing into the driveway. These are things these are accommodations that often occur in older downtowns as well. If they could accommodate things on site and if staff could require them to accommodate things on site, they certainly would because both the the land owner and the city would prefer that in an ideal situation. In older downtowns, there's often not the luxury to do that. Otherwise there is no project. Um because of the you know property size and shape and so forth. Um you know I have a good confidence that the design is pretty optimal. Um the the site that is the old honeys that was mentioned a couple times. That is a certainly a future project that certainly will come back at some point in time to whatever that may be. It's a restaurant today. We don't see anything other than a restaurant in the future. uh a drive-through would complicate things and and level that up to a different level of scrutiny and review. And we fully understand that as staff. Um and the the driveway that is in there, uh accessing Main Street, that main driveway that goes from Maine into the site, yeah, there's a shaded gray there. There's a property line with the proper hashes of the of the PL. Um that could have been maybe shaded a little differently. those full improvements will be constructed because they're requirements of the site development and the circulation. Um so those are staff requirements for the site and the developer understands that and we obviously will, you know, require them to prove out all of their authority um through either a lease or reciprocal easements that are another part of this to make sure that they can even do that. And and Chris is right in that these easements get dealt with downstream. Uh because why would you do them today? As you pointed out earlier, Commissioner, why would we do those today and then have to unwind them if a project did not get approved? So um the course of this

project and all the elements of the project are pretty well in good form for our process. it is is you guys have great questions as a commission because doing projects in older downtowns are complicated and so the technical review that goes in in that is complicated and there's a lot of considerations that are you considered in this. So I understand it's not cut and dry it's not a big box retail center that fits in nicely but I think everyone's done a good job you know thus far.

Commissioner Seelin anything? Um yeah, I my comments specifically the general plan amendment I think it's a creative use of multiple parcels um pulling it together into a large development. I I have concerns with the site plan specifically which we can get into when we speak about that. But specifically from a general plan standpoint, I think as presented the proposed uh changes to the land use type and the zoning is appropriate in this case. Perfect. Um is there a motion?

Uh I'll go ahead and uh move to approve the general planned amendment with the mitigated declaration. Is there a second? If we can read the motion in highlighted in yellow. You have it.

Yes. There you go. [laughter] I motion that the planning and housing commission recommend adoption of the mitigated negative declaration and the mitigation monitoring plan and approval of GPA 2024-00003 to the city council based on the findings contained in the staff report and adopt resolution number 2676 granting GPA 2024-003 as part of cycle one of general plan amendments for 2026. six.

And I will second. [snorts] Motion passes. Moving to the specific plan amendment reg now regarding SPA24-00003. Do commissioners have questions for staff?

I wonder if if I could just ask for from staff just a quick overview of specifically the specific plan portion, Miss Lopez, like you've done for us on these multi- step approvals. Um, sure. Or did you want to go back to the map? Uh just the specific plan portion. You just give us a quick overview from what you Oh, okay. This specific look for that portion of it so we can tailor our questions specifically.

So currently um 323 South Bell Avenue uh has a specific plan designation of single family. Um and the 322 South Washburn property has a gateway business uh designation. So the applicant is seeking to uh as they currently own the two parcels and they need those two parcels to be part of the overall project site, they are proposing a specific plan amendment to a D zone or a downtown zone uh to be consistent with the remainder of the um project site and the I apologize. The specific plan amendment would also cover the point uh 87 acres of Fourth Street as well as Fifth Street.

Okay, any questions, commissioners? I I do have one. So, thank you uh for refreshing. Uh so, this goes back to the 203 parcel, the aka the original honeys. Um, so if uh when and if an additional development plan is presented, would that parcel require a specific plan amendment or would it then become part of this specific plan? It would not require a specific plan amendment so long as whatever they're proposing is permitted within that uh designation current designation which is

general commercial. That's uh yes any uses that are permitted in the downtown which essentially would be uh yeah general retail bank restaurant things of that sort. Right. Thank you. No other question. Miss Capia, do we receive any speaker cards or written comments from the public regarding this item? Chair, [clears throat] we do have one speaker card for this item. Mr. Mike Rossy. [snorts] Public hearing is now open. If you wish to speak, please come to the podium.

Good evening. Mike Rossi, 2028 Adobe Avenue. I may have missed my real opportunity on this, but I want to I'm looking at the site plan and I'm actually looking at the specific plan. It kind of goes back to what uh Mr. Woody was saying. So, I'm looking at um exhibit number four, the uh of the specific plan amendment where it's showing the the existing and the proposed uh uh use. And after demolishing those two, you know, purchasing those two property properties and then demolishing them, I'm seeing that you actually have or I should say Northgate actually has uh access to Main Street all along that curve that goes behind Northgate. Why is it or or I shouldn't say why is it was it considered to have main street access for the truck on its own driveway that that pulls into the back so all they have to do is back pull all the way through and then back in not having to do a three-point turn on Bell and then they can leave out of Bell uh going going through uh going through the uh that that particular street where the residential is that would cut down from your 14 trips I'm going up and back down to seven uh making it a little less congested. So, if that was proposed, why was it shelved? And if it wasn't proposed by either Northgate or by the city, why not? It makes more sense to have a have a single flow of traffic going through as opposed to going down bel from from Sixth Street on Main Street going north halfway through the curve.

It sounds like it would be reasonable. And so that that's really kind of my my my comment on it. Everything else, don't get me wrong, I love Northgate. [snorts] Um, but this this little spin through Bell Avenue seems like a like an afterthought, like a really big afterthought by everybody. And it just seems like put a put a truck driveway in and they pull right on through. And you're talking about four trips a day. I'd be willing to bet that of those four trips, two, if not three of them are probably early in the morning, so they're going opposite traffic. It's not that big of a headache, but it would save a lot of grief and probably a lot of consternation from the residents if you only had traffic going down Bell one way. That's it. Thanks.

Thank you so much. With no other um residents coming forward, public hearing is now closed. Are there questions or comments from my colleagues?

Was that looked at? I'm trying to recall because uh my team and I came up with so many alternatives and I don't remember at the moment why we couldn't make that work and I think it had to do with access like I don't think we owned a part a portion of that but I I don't recall at the moment having to do with the little turn the little culdeac the the sliver property I believe sliver

this is a great question if I may um it's a great question. It's one that I asked uh not too long ago of staff. Um and yes, there's some property ownership that we do not have and or nor does Northgate. So there that is poses a challenge for that Main Street access. Um there's also the curve in Main Street that we're all well aware of. And as you're um navigating a curve southbound on Main Street and you're making you're veering right in the curve, there's others behind you that may not have made that veer yet. and closely traffic behind you can come in a blind spot right on top of you while someone's slowing in a blind curve that's a big rig trying to make a turn um versus the general traffic just trying to go set through southbound. Um that was a an engineering challenge that was expressed as one of the reasons why why that wasn't maybe the optimal solution but I would yield to obviously staff to go deeper into that subject.

Thank you. Any other questions or comments? No. Is there a motion? Uh, I'll propose a motion. [laughter] [gasps]

I don't have the right one. That's coming. I propose a motion for approval that the planning housing commission recommend approval of SPA 2024-00003 to the city council based on the findings contained in the staff report and conditions of approval. I have a second. Perfect. Moving to the parcel map. Now, regarding PM38981, do commissioners have questions for staff. Perfect. Miss Kabia, um, did we receive any speaker cards or written comments regarding this item?

No, Chair Longwell. Okay. The public hearing is now open. So if you do wish to speak, please come to the podium. Seeing no one, public hearing is now closed. Are there any questions or comments from my colleagues? Any motion to be made? I'll go ahead and uh make the motion that the planning and housing commission recommend approval of PM parcel map 38981 to city council based on the findings contained in the staff report and subject to the conditions of approval.

And do I have a second? I'll second. Miss Capia, did you get the results? Perfect.

Yes, sir. U motion passes. Moving to the precise plan. Now, regarding PP24-00001, do commissioners have questions for staff? Uh, I do. Yes. Go ahead.

Um, uh, Miss Lopez, you had presented, uh, operating hours of, uh, for the customer. Are there hours defined for truck access and delivery times? And if so, what what are those? I'm going to look at the staff report here. They have to Let's see. They apologize. I'm getting to the operations here. Okay. Thank you. So, the deliveries will be actually be occurring between the hours of 7:00 a.m. and 7:00 p.m. daily.

Okay, thank you. 7 a.m. Sim. So, no no after hours deliveries at all. That is correct.

Okay. Um, and referring to the maybe the site plan or the landscaping plan. Um, I'm going to go from memory because we we received a lot. [snorts] Um, if I recall, the the two homes that are remaining that completely abut the receiving area, what is the division between there? I think there's a 12t sight wall for the delivery dock and then there's the alley and then what's between the alley and the homes?

Um, I don't know if I can get back to the site plan. Um, looks like may not be able to get back to the site plan. Um, so between the alleys, uh, it's essentially just a I believe it's a 20-oot alley if I'm not mistaken. Uh, and there are essentially homes, uh, on either side of the alley. So, uh, by Northgate purchasing those two residential properties, you will have a 10-ft landscape buffer, uh, along the northern northern portion of that, um, of the site of their project site. And the alley is to be essentially the alley will remain for trash collection pickup um and any vehicular access uh through there.

Okay. And do the the homes that remain at 319 and 320 do their existing walls remain or is there are there new walls retaining walls that are I'm not site walls that are built with landscaping? Yeah, that is a that is an excellent question. We are um we would encourage that the applicant uh contact those two property owners and work on essentially establishing or creating one new 6ft high wall uh unless the commissioner would like to impose a a taller height of of a wall. So right now that's not part of the design but so that is not part of the design at this point in time.

Okay. So that's something to note. And then the last question I had just to confirm on Bell Avenue there is on street parking on both sides of Bell. Correct. on Bell Avenue. The downtown specific plan permits them to have uh street parking uh along the adjacent to their project site. So there will there will be street parking along the east side of Bell Avenue adjacent to their project site. Uh and just to clarify uh okay so today I see just looking at a view I see all kinds of parking on the on the site side of Bell. It's showing open parking but so will that go away?

That will be part of um the applicants parking and so uh it is possible that uh the commission wants to condition or I'd have to speak with um I mean with our city traffic engineer if there are signs that would have to be posted so that the parking is exclusively for u northgate customers. That is something that uh the city would have to identify. But just for clarification, the project site will include a 6' high a new 6t high decorative wall along the northern property line. Um and the resident's residents uh sideyard walls will remain unless the applicant uh discusses just replacing you know their wall and having just a new mutual wall between between the two properties.

There was another wall, right? I'm sorry. There was a sound wall too by the Yes, that's correct. Yeah, perfect. That's correct. In addition to that northern wall, there is a 12t high sound wall that's proposed along the loading area.

Thank you. I mean, I guess uh Rosie, if you could, if I could just better understand, Bill, when this is in operating mode, it's a city street with parking [snorts] on the existing residential side and we have delivery trucks coming down that street and potentially are there cars parked on the on this project side of it as well. So, we have a 40ft street with parking on both sides. and delivery trucks coming down it. That that's what the site plan shows. It does show parking on both sides. That's so I just wanted to make sure I understood the condition just so we can and so that is the case. Yes.

Okay. Thank [clears throat] you. And on that uh Rosie if if it's allowed uh in the specific plan or it's it's allowed downtown area for parking uh we can condition it not to have parking though. Correct. You're saying we can condition to remove the parking

on the east side. Correct. just due to the just due to the nature uh currently on Bell being it's up against commercial but it's been vacated for so long even when the bank was operational and they were coming in uh it was a lot uh lower frequency rate of vehicles and now we're adding box trucks and semi-truckss onto it. I think it's a safety issue and to get rid of the parking on the east side. Yes, we can if that's how you would like to condition it. But I will. Um

I'm hesitant though because the neighbors use [clears throat] the east side for parking. Oh, one one I'm sorry to interrupt. Part of the calculation, right, Rosia? Yes. One point of clarification, uh, Commissioner Alexander, is that, uh, they, uh, as part of their parking, they are I know, but over, but they're tent over. They are tent over. Yeah, that's correct. Uh, yes, that's correct. However, they they do need the street parking to count toward their um Oh, that's an interesting distinction. So, it it I don't recall the commission ever seeing a parking plan that utilized required on street parking as part of their calculation. So, are [clears throat] we sure that that's part of the parking count?

It's permitted in the it's specifically called out in the downtown specific plan. Uh so it's not common in other specific plans or in in the in the in your standard you know chapter 1774 off- streetet parking requirement it's not called out but in the downtown area to stir economic development economic growth uh revitalization of these uh smaller lots uh consol consolidation is uh one of the policy uh policies and goals as well as the uh permitted street parking.

Can you pull up the site plan so we can see where that parking is? Uh, I'll go ahead and add um that when when a semi-truck will come northbound on Bell, um if you remove the parking along the shoulder, the curbside parking, the on street, um it is unlikely that that truck will merge to that shoulder and use that to in its three-point turn to back up. Um, big race trucks in downtowns like this are simply using that northbound drive lane in all reality and they are just advancing just past the driveway just enough to then reverse back in. Correct. But right now we have pedestrians living on the west end in all that residential area and they're parking on the east curb of the project site

and so there's a lot more uh pedestrian uh it's setting up a hazardous condition more so than normal as if they didn't park on that side. It was my point. Commissioner um Longwell on exhibit four of the precise plan staff report uh that is the actual site plan and it shows a little bit better than on the screen but it does show a total of uh 20 parking spaces on the east side of Bell Avenue. So it's got there's three spaces and there's five and then there's 12 along Bell Avenue. So, too many to make it comply with their minimum parking. Correct.

Well, they are they are over 10 as you'd mentioned, but um they are showing uh 25 total uh street parking spaces which are permitted in the downtown specific plan. So, yes, you're correct. They they can remove up to up to 10 uh between Fifth and Fourth Street. So, they can essentially leave two I guess my focus would be on the ones between the vacated fifth and fourth.

Um because that's that's where the maneuvering is going to happen. It's going to be focusing towards the north by the footprint of the building. technically the maneuvering would be occurring north of uh Fourth Street because the truck would essentially have to go north of Fourth and then back in. So really those parking spaces should not be affected. Um and again I know that uh the applicants traffic consultants in the audience as well and uh

it's not a matter of the traffic being affected the semis or the narrowing of the street. It's the pedestrian traffic from the homes on the west side that park on the east curb there. Are you saying that those would be identified as business customers only? There is that potential and I'd have to uh defer to the city traffic engineer. That's signs would be allowed to be posted for

if you like that. We can definitely sign it for commercial or I mean retail parking only or even offer oh no overnight parking to keep from any cars staying out there. I think your concern is pedestrian activity crossing the street when there's big trucks driving by. [snorts] Did I understand that question? I I I think yeah they're two separate points but um how how does that work? Are there other areas um that do have that on street parking where they're reserved for, you know, a shopping center?

Yes. The only other area that I recall that we used on street parking for as part of the calculation was just across the street for the city of Hope. We ended up doing permit parking for the library because some of those spaces were uh assigned to library for daytime use from certain hours. And then the opposite side closer to City of Hope, th those were designated for City of Hope during um 9 to5 operating hours and that was uh using a pro um permit. So from what we're hearing though, this is going to be a consistent theme as as more come in through downtown

in the downtown. I got it. Okay. Thank you. Are you guys wanting to limit that parking?

Well, my I I guess I'll go back to a comment I made in the um initial application. Um I do have a concern about the truck turn analysis. it does not ac this document, the truck turn analysis or the site plan we have on the on the screen does not accurately represent the activity that's going to take place. Um, now I'm I'm going on the assumption because I think the general com comment was that these are semis and a semi cannot make that turn into the loading dock without driving up onto Fourth Street or beyond Bell in front of my count is seven seven residential homes. And regardless of what happens with the parking, I think parking on the street is problematic. But I guess under a downtown district, I've seen this before and it makes sense. But this choke point at the top right corner where a semi-tra is trying to get into the loading dock, it doesn't work for me. Um I, you know, there are the parking count is over 10 spaces. um the parking immediately above the actual store location itself. There's ample room to increase the driveway turn there potentially. I see potential other options. I'm not a traffic engineer, but I definitely can tell you that this turn radius is not going to work with a semi. And by us by this precise plan showing that we're saying it's okay for commercial traffic to be driving on a residential street.

Well, according to traffic engineering, it's already allowed for deliveries only. So, it's pulling in. It's backing. I'm just hearing my opinion of exactly my concern.

One other thing that's interesting, um, on the site plan, um, there's four spots that are close to Main Street. Um, just to the uh, east of the building. And are are those are those included in the count? Those are those are not included in the count because they because they don't exist currently. Yeah, I think they said earlier those are the four the circle.

I apologize. Okay, so the six on Washurn Avenue are included, right? Well, the the six are are not [cough and clears throat] the six below the dash line are not okay because those those exist now on city on someone else's property whether it's city property or not. [laughter] Yeah, I apologize.

But the four the four others then would be created. So four spots presumably would that be for staff to park in? Um because that's asking a lot I guess for residents or shoppers to drive all the way behind the store through. So I guess the usefulness of those four spots is part of what I'm asking about. To be honest, those are right next [clears throat] to our patio, which is going to be very active. So, um I I would say most people are probably not going to know how to get there.

So, those are going to be, you know, for insider parking spaces only. You know, if you live in the local community, probably most likely. Um but our we could utilize those for staff um or whatever. Getting back to the can the applicant please speak come forward into the microphone.

I'm sorry about that. So the four uh adjacent to the bottom left right hand corner of our building there at the end of the cult those are included in the parking count. The six spaces below that are not included in the overall parking count. Um those spaces could uh could be activated because our patio is right next to it. Um, all of those spaces could be considered and are should be considered part of the downtown area. Whether they constitute our project or not is to be considered. I would say we own the four parking spaces, which is why we included them in that overall count. Getting back to the comment, I'd like to back up regarding the truck turn radiuses. Those are average truck movements. I would say we have above you you saw some of our parking areas. We have above average parking uh truck drivers and they can turn in some of the tightest spaces and um the comment of you can't make that back turn up is completely untrue. We will be able to make a tighter back turn than what you see those lines being. Um, so we we have very very good drivers and to be honest I think what we're 2 years now um you know accidentfree so which is an extremely extremely rare record uh for the amount of movements we make every every single year.

Yeah, I guess for me I would agree with that statement. seeing fuel deliveries on a regular basis in downtown LA on a8 parcel. They can make it happen. [laughter]

Well, well, in touring the other markets that I saw, there was very tight uh not all of them, but very tight um restrictions with the street to the docks and and pulling out. Not that I'm an expert, but um if this is 75 ft from the building footprint out to the lot line there, it was much tighter uh in some of those other ones. Now at at the street, I'm not sure. But um we have the their traffic engineer is here, correct?

That is correct. have like it's his job to know what they can and can't do if we have questions. Good call. Yeah.

Good evening, commissioners. Kyle Mayberry, uh, Lyn Scott Law and Greensman engineers. Um, so as it relates to uh the truck movements, so there's a software called AutoTurn which can do replicate all the vehicles. It's a design tool. So it's very conservative. It's been our experience. they can do much better than than what's shown on those on those uh on the report, but you always do want to be conservative in that. And then um as uh Representative Northgate said, you know, the truck drivers always do much better. And this is not uncommon in in urban urban environments, not say urban, but more dense environments where the trucks have to maneuver and they are professionals obviously. Does anyone have any other questions for the traffic engineer while we have him?

No. Thank you so much. Thank you.

Any other questions?

Uh I do. Yes. Um going on to the uh staff report for the precise plan when it talks about trash enclosure enclosure and compactor. Um I'm not near the bank in the restaurant, but for the actual market itself, it talks about uh the 10 foot high sound wall. And I guess I'm confused cuz that comment in there where the applicant told staff that they don't utilize trash enclosures at any of the market locations. I saw plenty of them in my little field trip as they operate solely using their on-site trash compactor. Uh what I witnessed was uh and I tried to stick to right behind the market in strip centers because that's a shared space back there. Um, but there were um dumpsters out there, not behind the enclosures. Um, so I was very confused when I read that.

So is your question. Are they going to have dumpsters that are not in enclosures or are they

That's what it says right here. They're just using trash compactors and yet if that's solely their operation style, then why did I see them at their other sites? Was my if you don't mind uh me answering your question. So, we we generally prefer to use trash compactors when we design new sites. We prefer trash compactors. We could do regular trash compactors, but from a sanitary standpoint, from a over overall environmental impact, compacting our trash is much more efficient. Sanitary, there's less rodents. All of the above. And so we can do traditional, you know, dumpsters back there. Um but it would be um you know, we would make a a very strong uh push to get a trash compactor because that's today's, you know, most uh standard.

And I I can see that uh being overt. I would that sounds much better than the dumpsters and the enclosures. If there were enclosures, uh, it I would just suggest raising Kane's standard, but staff knows what that is.

And so I think that that wall on that side, so on the south on on the bottom portion of um the uh that little vestibule for uh um loading off of the back of the building. So um I believe that is 10 that's a 10ft wall. On the other side where the trucks are, there's a 12ft wall. Um, we will have electrical back there. This is a very high focus for me is I focused on the back of this shopping center because I knew we were going to be next to residential and we deal with that in much tighter quarters than a lot of our other shopping centers as you saw three different areas. So off of that back uh vestibule there, you have a 25- ft um pretty much uh access way for fire, right? That's their standard um and what they like to see. They will make some variances pretty much based on that. But that's their typical setback. And then we went 10 foot above and beyond that um by doing you know a landscape a [snorts] highly dense landscape buffer with a CMU wall not you know which is uh a better sound deadening material. Um similar with the sound deadening material that we're going to be um in the CMU wall where our trucks are. We will also have uh electrical uh for all of our you know tractor trailers, right? So, you know, normally very much like you see airplanes when they pull in, right? You know, they to keep the refrigeration going, you know, they either have to leave the engine running or they can plug it in, right? And so, we're going to have, you know, all those plugs to where our trucks back in, they immediately shut down, plug in

that. Yeah, we've addressed that with uh other bays on other projects. Uh, I I would like to uh ask a question regarding the difference in height from the docking bays to the compactor areas. Why wouldn't it just be 12 feet all the way? Uh, it because a compactor is noisy during operation, I imagine. Yeah, the I believe the height of the compactor is substantially less than the other side. So,

it's [snorts] also interesting to note there's a utility easement alley between the homes that's going to remain. Is that correct? And so, that creates another situation where there's visibility and sound transfer. So that the stub area between where the loading bay is and the trash bay is does that um roto does that easement alley between the houses remain? Yes, that is correct. Yes. It's not gated.

Uh no, that's correct. So, where the loading area is, uh, you will have or vehicle will have essentially coming pulling out of the alley. They will have access to that um to Northgate's property. So, it will be a street essentially some type of um street easement or Yeah, correct.

Believe I believe those residents, they receive their trash service on the rear of their property, so they're used to commercial vehicles going through that alleyway. Uh, I I would like to uh see I didn't see it in the conditionals approval. Miss Lopez, maybe you could um correct me if I'm wrong. Uh for a no idling condition of approval and mandated plug-in for the trucks. We could certainly add that condition. Thank you.

I know you were talking about the dumpster enclosures. Are you referring to the one that's in the parking field or were you looking to if they have dumpsters in the back that they said they aren't going to have but they end up having um are you looking for some kind of enclosure for that?

Correct. The any trash enclosure would be allsighted roof side all gritted um for to eliminate or mitigate the uh dumpster diving. I referred to it as a raising gain standard because we were un robust about that one. And then as far as the compaction, I don't know. Um I don't know about the need to just make it 12 all the way across to be more of a buffer. And just to point uh point something out for clarity uh for to the commissioners on exhibit nine on the um elevations. So sheet uh A-3.4 is a trash enclosure elevations and it it does include the um metal mesh all around the trash enclosure to prevent the dumping illegal dumping. Can you put that on the screen or that was just in the packet, right?

It's just Yes. I apologize. It's just in the packet. It is the raising cane. Okay. Standard. Thank you [laughter] Lopez for including that. U Rosio on the truck route. Is that a posted truck route that would be included? [snorts] So is that does that then become an enforcable truck route? I I will defer that to our city traffic engineer. I'm sorry I missed the

I'm sorry. So the posted the truck route that's in our application packet. Is that become an official document that is a reinforcable or an enforcable truck route? No, that does not establish a truck route for anyone else. This is only their last mile and that is the route that we approved um for them to utilize. Right. So, if they were not if they were outside of that, then is there a compliance issue there? Right. There is. Okay. [snorts]

I I'll just make a comment because I figured something out that I was uh not clear on before. So, those I I guess uh it was something that uh Miss Lopez just said that. So, there is a fence I guess from the four that shut off those four spots. So people don't access that from behind the building. They access it from Washburn. So I I thought people were supposed to drive all the way behind, but then now I realize there is actually a fence. So So they they can't. So which is good.

Um I had a question. On a lot of the sites on my road trip, I noticed that there was security fencing around the front of the vehicles, the semis. And so where those walls are in this display here on uh would there be enclosure for those areas similar to the other um market sites? Are you referring to the truck loading area? uh both uh both trash compactor areas on some sites and the docks uh were secured with a rolling fence. Is that

according to the fence and wall plan? There will be gates uh securing the trash compactor area and essentially um because Northgate owns that back area. They essentially want to prevent traffic from driving through there. Uh traffic that shouldn't be going through there. And so they that area will be fenced or gated off. uh allowing only for emergency vehicle uh access. Thank you.

With with regard to the comment of fencing in our loading area, um so most of the stores that were completely fenced in do not have loading docks. So, we're dropping, you know, these are infill development deals and we're drop we're dropping all of the merchandise directly from the truck into the yard before we take it in into the building.

So, those areas we try to fence off and secure those areas since we have merchandise with this with the loading docks. Uh we don't necessarily need that in front of the loading docks on the bell side. Um, I did notice the uh security in front of numerous of the stores. Is that just city dependent, neighborhood dependent?

No, that's that's something that we elect to do. Um, so we want to make sure, you know, our associates and our staff and everybody feel uh secure, you know, uh, going into our stores. And that's just standard protocol for Northgate. Um, a lot a lot of uh some of the security is our own and some of it is outside depending on um the site and you know what what we're trying to accomplish. Thank you.

Well, I I just found another detail. So we we were talking about um you know the required parking and um [snorts] and then there seems to be a discrepancy between the staff report and then the actual site plan. So this the site plan has its own tabulation and it says a 258 are required and the staff report says 251 and I guess the seven the seven uh stall difference is from the patio the the restaurant patio it says so from the bank building um so we don't have quite as much over you know overage I think as as we thought if since we were discussing, you know, the street parking and what what if anything to do with that?

That is correct, Commissioner Woody. Um, in the downtown area, outside patios uh do not require additional parking. Um, and I do need to make a clarification on um exhibit your exhibit 4, your staff report. Um [clears throat] there are a total of 25 parking or street parking spaces uh that are shown on the site plan. Um however, the two that are adjacent to the 203 West 6th Street or the Helm site, uh they would not be allowed to be counted as street parking because the downtown specific plan identifies um allowable street parking to be adjacent to the project site. Uh so while they cannot use those two parking spaces, they could potentially use uh the six that are in the Washburn culde-sac. Uh currently those six are not counted, but they could be counted toward the the project. So are you saying that the the seven identified on the site plan are not required even though it says that there? So the staff report is correct. The staff report is correct. Yes. Yes. So, that's something that uh we would be uh we would catch at plan check or we would have to have them amend their their plan just to update their plan, their site plan. Any other questions or comments?

Um, the only general comment I have, um, it's disappointing that there wasn't any community outreach with the impact of this project so closely within neighbors. Um, and so notably the two homes that immediately butt the receiving area in the back of the house. Not to mention there's homes that are directly across the street from from it. So, um I' I'd like to propose that there's a condition added that the uh applicant um that there's documented community engagement specifically with the adjoining neighbors uh to the parcel and directly across the street to address any potential concerns they may have. Well, I would go a little bit further north, those seven homes to the north on Bell where the backup is going to take place.

Yeah, I wasn't even thinking of I was thinking in just in that general area of of where Bell and the old Fourth Street came together for sure. But it really is the whole neighborhood across the street from Bell, I guess. Especially if those parking spaces on Bell are going to be designated

for u customers only. That'll impact them. I think it's only designated for customers only if we say that it needs to be conditioned that way. I would struggle conditioning that because I feel like we'd be taking something from neighbors that I don't think we should. I think that if neighbors park there that they've parked there this whole time, they'll do that. If we [snorts] That's just my opinion. I recognize your sensitivity on not wanting to have a neighbor cross a 40ft street to get to their car,

but I think they're going to do it anyway unless they're at like risk of towing with the idea of being a good neighborhood. Yeah. I mean, we want them to be good neighbors. I think that they're showing that they're trying to be. Um, so I wouldn't be inclined to make those. um retail parking spots only. Unless you guys are dead set on it, that's not something I would want to do. I would be upset if I were a neighbor and where I park my car every day is gone.

Well, I agree. Especially since they don't have that many options over there. That good point. um what I don't to give them good framework of what you're looking for in terms of community outreach because I can appreciate why they wouldn't do community outreach right now in a large format setting.

I'm specifically concerned about the immediately abuing houses to the loading area and the treatment of those walls and landscaping. That's my primary. So, I know that they said that there were um postings on four parts of the existing property to notify residents if they didn't get it in the mail or they didn't see it in the Sentinel. What does that look like? I did not drive by it. I know it well enough that I didn't feel like I needed to, but I I would like to know what where those signs are and are they like Mhm. 8 and 1 half by 11 sized sheets of paper or are they posted?

They're they were big boards. I believe they're 36 by uh 24. Maybe Belinda can, you know, correct me if I'm wrong, but uh they were both in uh bilingual. They were English noticing, Spanish noticing, and there was they were essentially posted at Maine and Fifth Street. Uh there was one posted at the corner there is one posted at the corner of uh Sixth and Bell Avenue right in front of the Citizens Bank. Uh there's another on Bell Avenue right around uh Fifth and Bell. And then the last one is uh posted on the two residential the two vacant residential parcels on uh Fourth Street. And both times I went by, there were plenty of flyers inside the little cubby. So,

but we have repeated examples and projects before us previously where development has been able to connect with the neighborhood. Absolutely. I just want to make sure they've got a good understanding of what your expectation is so that they can meet that. I think even staff uh asked um that there's some feedback with those two immediately joining homes. Is that correct?

We had originally uh and our you know we were we we've been going through this project with applicant for about 12 months now you know total since it their initial uh development plan review or preliminary application uh submittal. And so, uh, yes, we essentially stressed all along the importance of, uh, you know, community outreach, reach out to the neighbors and so forth. Uh, so the applicant has been, uh, is fully aware. Uh, and I don't think, I mean, if there's a condition that's imposed, you know, I can't speak for the applicant, but I'm I'm sure that they would fully comply.

Okay. So, right now I have, if we were to make a motion to approve this, it's with the addition of no idling for trucks, for delivery trucks, an immediate plugin to the electrical that's being provided by the applicant. [cough and clears throat]

I'm sorry, could you repeat that last that you said, Commissioner? Yeah, if we're going to approve it, it'll be with the addition of a condition that says no idle for delivery trucks, an immediate plug-in. Um, so that the sound from the trucks is limited, so they're not running similar to what we did for latitude. And the applicant stated they're doing that, right? Yeah, the electrical is going in anyway. But as far as mandating that it happen, instructions for delivery. So the other condition would be applicant to evidence outreach

to immediately impacted residents and that would be residents on Bell, the west end of Bell from Sixth to Third. Third. Yeah. Third, the old Fourth Street. [laughter] It's too bad that the public comment about the different truck access route couldn't be achieved. Real quick question. Um, I understand. How how would you document I mean we

we always love throwing community engagements because we get to eat and show cool pictures and yeah get to talk to real people and so how do we confirm that we've spoken? Do do you need an affidavit from us or do do we need to have like just a list of the addresses where a flyer was dropped off where a door knock was made? that type of engagement would be. Yeah. I mean, I they might not want to talk to you, right? So, but we just want to know that you reached out to them. So, I think the staff can work with you on what that would have to look like um to meet that condition. Okay. [snorts]

Is there anything else that we need to talk through or include the uh the street parking? We're not proposing any changes. were saying that, you know, the east side is is

I think it limit it I in my opinion I think it limits exactly what we want to give the the residents. It gives them an limits their options of what they can and can't do. um in time they'll it'll seek an equilibrium. If if the they don't want to cross the street because there's never parking there or there's more parking activity, then they're going to figure out somewhere else to park, I guess. But from from the idea that it was brought up, I think the the vice chair said about the safety issue of, you know, having that and then the trucks. I think you said the

I brought man, but you know, the more you think about it is that's it's an unfortunate reality in a much denser zone like this. This is Yeah. I I don't have a strong feeling either way. I'm just, you know, making sure that we're all understanding. No, I know. I appreciate it, too. But, uh, the more discussion and your, uh, perspectives, it makes sense to, uh, just let it be a a natural process. And, um, [snorts] any other um, conversations need to be had? If not, I'll entertain a motion.

We do have to open the public hearing. I thought we already did to be honest with you. I'm sorry. We have a [laughter] speaker card, though. That's perfect. Do it one more time. We'll do it again. Um, Miss Capia, did we receive any speaker cards besides the one that's in my hand? No, just that one. Perfect. Um, public hearing is now open. If you wish to speak, please come forward. I have the card for Joe Morgan. Sorry, Joe. [laughter]

This has been a long night. Um, so to Mr. Woody's point, this is unlike any process that I've seen here before. I I've continuously marveled at the job that you guys have done and how rigorous you are at it. Raise your hand if you think it's okay for semi-truckss to be backing down your street. And it's a pretty inospicious uh introduction to Mr. Katali to say, "Well, it's old neighborhood." me.

I would not I would absolutely be blowing a gasket if if semi-truckss were going to be backing down my street. This is a neighborhood. People live here. People live on that street and you're going to be backing up semi-truckss down it. You're going to be pulling almost to the alley on the next block to back one of these up and and you're going to be beep beep beep beep beep backing up trucks in a neighborhood and cranking a turn and to say well you know golly gosh it's hard to get that little triangle of land. I would remind you that the city snatched a lot more than that from the Padilla family for a road. So that little tiny little triangle of dirt really honestly wouldn't be a big deal. They just took some a little triangle of land from the longs, you know, along along uh Skyline Drive. So I mean it's not, you know, to get some of that something like that for public use to simplify or make this project better really is not a problem. And this this commission has not had a problem, you know, burdening for some period of time other applicants to make things better. I don't see anything that happened here to make this better. Um I I do appreciate your comments about the raising canes dumpsters. That's selectively enforced. I know it's the city didn't do it on the hub, so they didn't require for their own project. So, but um you know it and and having the public outreach to address concerns after the project's been approved is seemed like kind of a hollow thing, you know. So, I mean, it we've consistently in this in this room asked that the applicant go doortodoor, hand out flyers, and do this stuff beforehand. It doesn't doesn't always have to be, you know, some big public gathering, you know, it it and and everybody knows that it doesn't have to be, you know, a party, you know, it

doesn't have to be a big thing. And I I appreciate their concerns. And this is not about Northgate. Like I said, everybody in the city is very very excited to have them here. So, but but putting it in here and dismissing the semitrs in a neighborhood thing, but like well, it's difficult, so we can't do anything about it. You can do something about it. You could M Mr. Rossy's suggestion is perfectly reasonable and it's perfectly doable. And calling Main Street a blind curve is fairly ridiculous as well. You know, that you can't turn. Is it off hours? Is it on hours? Is it busy? Is it not busy? you know, this there seems to be a lot of well, we can't do anything about it when in fact this commission can and does and always does things to do things better. Thank you very much.

Thank you so much. Anyone else?

Okay, public hearing is now closed. Are there any other questions or comments that you want to discuss? Yeah, I I guess I thinking about these on street parking. Um I maybe maybe we need to restrict it or the city can restrict it right around where the the trucks are going to be turning. Um you know, whether it's closest to Fourth Street. I I I mean, yeah, I don't know. It's it's I I understand that they have a good track record and that, you know, professional drivers can do things that a lot of us don't think they can. Um but um yeah, I mean, if there's cars packed in on that corner, are they going to be able to make that that backing in, you know, that 90° turn with cars parked there? I don't know. I I don't know the answer. So,

I'd like to know how wide that rear drive is. Um I have the site [clears throat] plan exhibit open, but can you tell me that the drive that the semis will be backing into? 25 ft. The entire Well, no. So, uh that 25 ft is the clearance behind the sound wall to the landscaping wall.

Oh, so I'm thinking of the driveway that's on 5 total. So that would be that would mean there's um so if you have a 10ft landscape buffer if it truly is 75 ft to the back of the store from the residential so you'd have 10 ft for the landscape buffer 25 ft for the fire access and that would leave you 40 ft to the building. I don't know that you're understanding the question. I'm talking about the drive on Bell Avenue where your parking island ends and the residential lot begins. The width of that drive, is that what you're asking? That's the what I'm asking. I think he said 25 for that.

It's impossible that it's 25. The access behind our sound wall is 25 ft. The total width of that drive could be up to 75 ft.

So if that is 75 ft, and this might be a question for Mr. Mr. Mayberry, um the traffic engineer, if that's 75 ft and the average truck that's going to be delivering here is 90, are they going to be driving 20 ft past this driveway to turn in? Are they going to be driving 100 ft past this driveway to go in? Because I my what I'm envisioning from a reversal on Bell is really just far enough that they can reverse into the parking lot, not down Bell. Um hello again, Kyle Mayberry. Um

yeah, the turning movement, it's about the width of the adjacent lot of the home that's remaining. That's how far they have to go about. Okay. So, would you show 63? Makes sense. It does. You can kind of see it on the plan distance. You can see the just barely. So, that's the hard. You can see the rear of the truck. So, the truck is

Yeah. According to the civil, I believe it says 63 foot 63 foot um driveway entrance for the trucks along Bell Avenue. And so looks like from looking at exhibit six, uh the truck turn analysis, they're showing that the the truck cab itself is about uh 23 feet or so. And then the actual container is uh 53 ft. And so if it's if it's a 63 foot opening, uh it looks like they're going to essentially go beyond that 63 uh foot opening. But I think that's the question that uh the commissioner Longwell had uh for the traffic engineer.

Yeah. And I think he answered it with highlighting where the rear of the truck is on this exhibit that I wish I could envision where that like if if that crosses over that person's driveway or what that looks like. I just don't think we have that available to us. Thanks. So, I do agree that trucks turning in from Main Street into a driveway will jam up traffic, creating its own hazard.

I I have a question. I I know it's the model of Northgate to have semis back up into [clears throat] a docking area, but with the specifics of this uh neighborhood, I'm wondering if there could be another unloading loading model, uh if they didn't have to back up into this area and the truck was unloaded, some other method, and there was some other entrance to the building, other than the docking uh model. I'm just wondering if there could be a discussion there about that. I don't know what it looks like. I know this is standard from everyone that I saw. I'm just wondering what that would look like. I I guess I have an related question. I mean, do you um are are your trucks um it sounded like you're saying they're are they operated by employees of Northgate or you use a a third party to do the driving? Yeah, we gave you a total of all of them and that includes Coke, that includes, you know, uh, when Bimbo Bakeries comes and drops off their bread, you know, Fredo has their truck, you know, we give you the total count. Generally speaking, there's one semi coming from Northgate, you know, and then occasionally we do have some third party uh, semis come. So that would be like you know occasionally Unifi will come which is a general grocery center aisle more nonfresh. Uh so occasionally they'll come and um load our store with some some things. So you know our our docs um I would say they're they're more

active than you know your typical grosser but not by an order of magnitude. There's no way Albertson sends or anybody I mean most of these other you know grocerers have maybe three trucks you know delivering to their the back because um we do really good business um and we're you know an active retailer and generally speaking we love to deliver fresh um and sometimes that requires some short loads you know and we're not, you know, trying to pack everything into like two days to save a little bit of fuel. We'd rather deliver a fresh tomato to everyone instead on a daily basis. Um, we the frequency is a little bit higher and that's the offset with fresh. With regard to Hey, you know, some downtowns, you know, I'm I'm on one of the advisory committees for the city of Orange and I'm a Orange resident. We we our downtown we you get stuff dropped in the street and so that's just part of living in a vibrant downtown area. When you have vibrancy, you have deliveries.

Well, let me ask a followup.

You just want deliveries, you want merchandise, you want food, you want everything's got to push through, you know, a very, you know, small area. What we're trying to do with this project is deliver, you know, two docks so that we don't have, you know, we could maybe redesign and go to a single and then all of a sudden you got a truck sitting on bell waiting for, you know, the dock to open up and this that and the other and that you create more hardships I think for the local community. Um we've we've done enough design I think to say that you know to maximize parking and uh operational you know uh execution and delivery and everything else like we've we've um we we've really I think given you our best with this plan. Well, let me ask a follow-up question then because you're saying um of the trucks you mentioned, one one of them would be um a Northgate semi, but I guess that's what I you didn't entirely answer what I was asking. Are your Northgate drivers do they work for your company or is or do you use a third party to do all your driving?

So, it's it's going to be a wholly owned company by Northgate that makes the uh deliveries. Okay. And does it does that fleet include other trucks besides the uh the the long semis? No, we we standardize pretty much everything for efficiencies.

Any other questions for the applicant? Thank you so much. You're getting your steps in. So, we've talked through some conditions. Is there anything else you're looking for for this project?

Uh, I don't I don't think so. And I I know the applicant feels like we've given him the third degree, but it's something just we do here. Uh, you know, it's uh we're excited you're investing in the city. We're uh this the the community uh I don't know about Bell Street, but the community is excited for you to be investing in our city. Uh the economic growth factor uh for downtown uh is important obviously, but with these infill projects, we've got to make sure it's a good fit for the neighborhood. um they tend to be difficult and uh one one project is you know it it's unique in its own way um but I I can tell you from u my experience at your stores and I sorry I didn't hear about you before uh but the volume of inventory and the uh uh impeccable cleanliness and the the um the displays and the just the whole vibrancy inside the store while I was walking through and the service and helpfulness was outstanding. Um the carnitus and the I took some homes, you know, uh and the mango shrimp uh cevichi was delicious. Uh so yes uh to walk in and and see uh you know uh you know the um tortillas being made fresh off it was just impressive samples here or there. It was uh something that's going to be really appreciated in our downtown. I know I did. Um but for these particulars and for all of the you

know the long meetings uh it's it's for a reason. you know, you guys are uh the family uh ownership is amazing. Uh and we, you know, love our community. So, I'm sure you'll be welcomed. We just want to make sure operational wise, it's uh the less impact uh that we can. It's why we go through all the questions up here that we do. Thank you, Chair. Yeah. Anything, Commissioner?

Yeah. My only comment um would be should we approve this, take another look at how can that driveway be widened? Can you eliminate three to four parking spaces there and remove that large [snorts] um parking entrance area that's in the back such that you can actually make a turn in that space without hitting customers? I'm gonna leave it at that. I I still don't feel 100% good about that aspect of it, but the lion share of the project makes sense to me. Um, I'm going to leave it at that.

Well, here's what I'm mulling around is uh Mr. Rossy's point about uh in staff's response about acquiring the parcels. What does that look like? and what what would the applicant be coming back with us with? What what does that process look like? And uh because I think we all agree if that turn off of Main Street could be made, that's the better um that's the better plan, the circulation rather than on a residential street that uh is truly a neighborhood uh street. um [clears throat] they're going to be impacted in a good way as far as a a destination, but as far as the circulation, uh can we make it better? And whether it's your point, um Commissioner Cichelin, or those two missing segments of those lots, uh off of Maine to make the turn, um ideally, I'd like some more information on that.

Yeah, I guess I would disagree. I I wouldn't want them turning off of Maine. at an unsalized driveway where the traffic moving at the speed that traffic moves on Maine. Um, that's that would be my concern if it was coming off of Maine. Is there would a trim of that end of parking at the on the bell side by the drive that the semis will come in? If you trimmed that in any way, would that help the turning radius since it's past the building? I assume it wouldn't. Does that make Does that question make sense? Yeah, I I think with the the current site plan, you know, the trucks are going to be backing in in all circumstances unless you want, you know, unless we're going to give up 30 or 40 parking stalls, uh, which would be extremely detrimental um to this project. Um the other comment of making a right hand only, how do you make a right-hand only for trucks? And then you're talking about we're we're already giving back the city, you know, a significant portion of our of our land to do a future potentially future rideway and a del lane into you know just for regular traffic into our uh center. Um, so you know to do one for you know a 100 foot truck you know you're talking about buying you know 15 to 20 feet of property for a considerable

amount of time probably all the way to Third Street so you can accommodate a truck. So, um, you know, I guess that's the balance and some of the things I'm just thinking out loud of, you know, you you basically have residents next to commercial zoning and there's going to be commercial activity, I guess, to prohibit trucks adjacent to a commercial zone. That's a bigger question that you guys have to tackle for the downtown project. So, what you're saying is even if the width of that drive was widened, they're that'll give them access to it, but they're still going to have to back into

Yeah, they would still have to back in. I just don't I mean, would they have to go further? Would they have to go as far to back in? I think they would. I think it wouldn't change anything on the bell northbound bell. I think I misunderstood that. Um I think at this point they would have thought that and designed it that way if they could. So, I think we just have to be comfortable with the fact that they're going to be backing up in front of residents. Yeah. And I guess for me knowing that it was posted on every corner, there's no one that lives on Bell that has not seen those signs. Fair statement if they Not a fair statement. I I don't think Yeah. Go ahead. I I would be skeptical that

that people pay attention to that. I think some people do and many people don't. Well, they've watched the progress of the site over the years. I mean, it's their neighborhood. Uh the fencing going up, uh whether, you know, the signs going up, the literature was was uh you know, there wasn't any hand delivery to them. Uh I think they did receive a notice for this meeting. So, there was something delivered to them. I'm not trying to be right contrary, but I short of asking them to knock on every door, which I don't think is reasonable. I don't know what else to ask.

Well, then you just have to say if they did respond and they were here tonight and spoke about it, then what would that do differently to to what we would state or decide? Correct. Right. It wouldn't change the documents that are in front of us.

Correct. And I I guess you know the the parking on street parking or no restrictions on on street parking around that turning area. I'm not I'm not sure that that there there couldn't be a change to make it better. Um so that's kind of been my main focus. Um yeah, ideally I I do believe that coming in from Main Street would be better. I I don't see that as being a causing [snorts] problems on Maine. I think the road naturally curves there, but um I understand the challenge is for them to, you know, uh you know, try to uh acquire whatever they would need to to do it that way. But, you know, we have this plan in front of us and it and uh you know, kind of Commissioner Serlin mentioned, I mean, is there a way we can make it better um safer for you know, the residents there? And we've talked about different ideas and you know, originally there was the idea of maybe not having parking on one side. It seems like we've all for various reasons accepted that that was a better the idea to keep keep that parking in um without restrictions. Um, so I don't know. I I guess is there is there something we can do to to still improve it whether it's a condition or you know asking for some sort of change here?

I don't know of anything genuinely. Um, I don't have any other conditions to add. Neither do I. I do not

either. So, do I have a motion for PP2024-00001 that the Planning and Housing Commission adopt resolution number 2677 granting uh PP24001 based on the findings contained in the staff report and the conditions of approval with the addition of conditions for no idling for delivery trucks and the requirement for trucks to immediately plug in along with the applicant to evidence to the satisfaction of the city that they've reached out to Bell residents from Sixth Street to Third Street. I'll go ahead and move.

I will second [snorts] Moving to written communications. Has the planning and housing commission secretary received any written communication from persons providing information or seeking action by the planning and housing commission?

No. Chair Longwell. Um for administration reports, do we have any reports from the director? [clears throat] My report from the director and uh all of planning and development is to have a happy and safe holiday. Perfect. We agree. Yeah. Um commissioner reports. Do any members of the planning commission have any matters to discuss? uh just that I appreciate that staff put out the uh invitation to the commission to attend March's uh conference uh for ongoing training and uh it was uh nice to have the one-on-one meeting um with uh Sandra and um Colby. Thank you.

Yeah, welcome. Welcome. Yeah. Um, future agenda items. Please note that the schedule for the commission meetings for 26 2026 will be finalized soon. The first meeting in January is scheduled for January 12th, 2026. And with that, the meeting is adjourned. Continue to figure out how we can bring the programming over to the parks. It's going to be a great addition to our city, not only for our businesses, our children, and our families. Good job, Corona. and I'm looking forward to the the progress and the implementation of the park. I just want to thank the city and the parks rich all their everywhere. They're doing a great job. Come out people. You got to show up.