Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

All right, it is 7 o'clock and we welcome you to the planning commission meeting on September 25th, 2025. Uh we will open with the pledge of allegiance by Commissioner Martin. All stand. Repeat the pledge with me. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All right. Thank you. Uh, do I have a motion to approve tonight's agenda?

I'll motion to approve tonight's agenda. I'll second. A motion by Commissioner Trickler and a second by Commissioner Martino. All those in favor say I. I. Any opposed? Motion carries. Do I have a motion to approve the staff reports? I move we approve tonight's staff reports as written. A second. I have a motion by Commissioner Martino and a second by Commissioner Nelson. All those in favor say I. I.

Any opposed? Motion carries. Uh, do I have any declarations of conflicts and abstensions from commission members? Seeing none, I will jump into item number one, which is a public meeting. Am I really loud?

No, you're good. Okay. Um, it's a public meeting to consider the request of Scott Davis for a three lot preliminary residential subdivision plat called Tipponogus Metal Plat E located at approximately 178 West 1100 North on approximately 91 acres in the R1-8 single family residential zone. Jacob. Good evening, Madam Chairman and members of the commission. I'm Jacob Hawkins from the planning department. So, the first item that we have for tonight is a residential subdivision plat called Tempenogos Meadow Plat E, lots 31 through 33. The applicant is Scott Davis and this property is located at 178 West 1100 North in the R18 zone. All the surrounding properties are also zoned R18 and have been developed with single family homes. Uh so you can hear this is the zoning up here on 1100 North. And then up here we have the aerial image itself. Um kind of shows how the surrounding properties have been developed. And so here's the aerial image. What the applicant wants to do is uh you can kind of see the uh property boundaries right here. Uh so this one right here, this uh one on the left hand side, that's the original property boundary. What the applicant wants to do is he wants to move it over here to where this line is on the right hand side. Uh so just adjust that middle uh dividing boundary over a little bit and then that way they would have enough room to get a standard lot and a flag lot in the back. Uh and so actually on that note, here's what the property or here's what the proposed subdivision plat looks like. Uh where you can see once again that this middle dividing line is actually moved over

just a little bit. And then they've got the flag lot back here. Um, now the flag lot has access to 1100 North here. Um, and then this lot right here, lot 32, will share access uh to the flag lot stem. So that way they just have the one point of access coming in from 1100 North right here. And then lot 33 will have its own point of access onto 1100 North. Um, then let's see here. Uh staff completed our reviews of the preliminary subdivision plat on September 16th and found that all requirements have been met, including those for the lot area, lot width, and for setbacks. For context, the minimum lot area for standard lots, which would be like lot 32 and lot 33. Um the minimum lot size would be 8,000 square feet per lot. The minimum lot width would be 85 ft. And then the setbacks for standard lots are 25 ft from the front property line, 25 from the rear, and then 10 feet on the sides. Now, flag lots have slightly different requirements, needing to have at least one and a half times the minimum lot size requirement. Um, so in this case, instead of 8,000 square ft minimum, it needs to have 12,000 square feet, including the flag lot stem. And then the lot width is 85 ft along the narrowest dimension. and they have about 86 plus like a little bit. So um and then in this case uh the setbacks are also increased for flag lots and so the front lot line would be uh from this side because since this is the narrowest dimension um and the access is coming down from over here. So that's why they have to have a 30-foot setback from this property line over here and then they'll have a 25 ft rear and then 20 foot side setbacks and so this would be the

buildable area for the house. Um and then lastly flag lots must slope towards the right of way. Uh but overall because it meets all of the required uh all the requirements for flag lots for the R18 zone and all the engineering requirements staff recommends approval of the proposed subdivision and I can take any questions. I have a question. Yes, ma'am. Is so they're going to share they're sharing Oh my gosh. sharing. Yes. That driveway. They'll both be in charge of it.

Yes. There will be CCNRs to figure out who's going to maintain what. Okay. So that nobody gets blocked in from the back lot and stuff like that. Correct.

If you have a big enough truck, nobody gets walked on. So, for fire trucks, is there like a hydrant at the end of that or am I getting ahead of myself? I'm just wondering where the hydrant goes. Yeah, I believe that. Um, and Eron, you'll have to There's a there's a hydrant that is just the next lot to the west. And so, it's close enough um if they were to lay hose because that's not an extra deep flag lot, it's close enough that it would meet their normal requirements. So there's no need for an additional hydrant in the area for to serve the flag lots. As the truck can go in, they can pick up the hoses long enough to take care of fire in those two lots.

Yeah. Well, just to have access, they they usually don't like to lay more than about 125 ft of hose from a hydrant. So they usually want to be about 125 ft from the center of the lot to a hydrant. And just that's not an extra deep one. And then it just goes over to the to a little bit to the west is where the hydrant is. And so it's not that far. So, okay. So, it needs or maybe 225. I can't remember. It's a it's it's not a it's not a large number. I think it's 225 ft of hose that like you know that they want to be from the hydrant to the center of the lot, but then they don't want to drive in or back have to back out more than 150 ft. Since it's not more than 150 ft in, then they would just back out the driveway. So, there's no need for a turnaround or anything like that inside, but they do need to have the access in there.

And then I have another question. What is the what is the maximum height it can be on those lots for a building? Uh 35 ft. That would be from the ground to the peak of the roof under our current zoning ordinances. So that's basically two stories. And that's another reason for having the increased setbacks for flag lots is that way the home regardless of how tall it is doesn't feel like it's encroaching and look looking into the backyards of other neighboring properties.

Any other questions for Jacob? Thanks, Jacob. Thank you. Is the applicant here? Would you like to do you want to come up to the podium and add anything to the conversation?

All right. If you can just state if you can just state your name for the record. I'm Chelsea Davis. So, we're we're planning on building on the front lot. Uh Scott Davis and City Davis are his parents. Um so the question about the drive-thru and everything there, we're planning on putting side loading garage on both of those so we'd be parked in the garage so nothing would be blocked in that area there for you. So that's all. Thank you. Thank you. Question actually for are you doing a one story or two story? The plan was to build with a basement and then one story on the top. So,

any other questions? Okay. And it's a public meeting, so I'm just going to bring it back up to the commissioners for a discussion or a motion. I think it

Okay. I move the planning commission approve the request of Scott Dent for preliminary residential subplot called Tuponogus Plat Davis or Scott Davis sorry plot E located at 178 West 1100 North in the R18 zone uh with all the zoning fire and department requirements are met second. All right. I have a comm I have a motion by Commissioner Martino and a second by Commissioner Butler. All those in favor say I. I.

Any opposed? Motion carries. All right. The second item on tonight's agenda is a public meeting to consider the request of is it Denny? Denny. Close enough. Farnsworth for a three lot prelim preliminary residential subdivision plat called Nelson Grove Plat A located at approximately 855 East 500 North on approximately 1.07 acres in the R1-9 single family residential zone. Jacob.

All righty. Thank you. Okay. So, the next item is another subdivision plat called Nelson Grove Plat A. Now, this is also a three lot subdivision plat, but this time it's going to have two proposed flag lots. Uh, so this one will seem a little bit more interesting. Uh, before we get into the plat, the subject property and the surrounding properties to the north are in the R19 zone. And then just across the street, there's the R120 zone. And then just a little bit further over here, we have the R112 zone. uh all of these different types of zones permit for single family homes and that's how all of these zones have been uh all of these properties have been developed as um here's what the plat looks like actually I'm going to zoom out just a little bit there we go I think that's probably good enough um and so here you can see how each individual flag lot has its own individual stem uh now this layout while interesting it does satisfy the requirement that only one flag lot is permitted per flag lot stem in a residential subdivision. Um now lot one right here is going to share an access with lot number two um over here and then lot number three is going to have its own separate access uh just by itself and then this one is long enough to require that turnaround as well. Um, but ultimately each of these lots, uh, being in the R19 zone, I need 9,000 square feet for lot number one and then 13,500 square ft um, for lots two and for lot three. Um, and that would include the flag lot stems as well. And then of course I would also need the 85 foot width minimum for each of these lots. So lot two and lot three both would have that minimum along the narrowest dimension. So, north to south,

north to south, and then lot one, because it fronts onto 500 north down here, it would just uh go east to west for that width. Staff completed our reviews of this subdivision also on September 16th and has found that each of these proposed lots meet the minimum zoning and engineering requirements. And so, staff recommends approval of the proposed uh residential subdivision plat. And I can take any questions. So there's no concern from staff at the entry point to lot three being the neighbor on the west. So it's pretty much two driveways right next to each other. And then on the on the east side as well, there's two driveways next to each other. So no issues with that from staff pers perspective for safety reasons.

Sorry, I'm not sure I'm following you. If you go to the map, bring up the map and we can look at it closer. So, looking at the map, if the access point to lot three is on the west side, it's right next to another driveway there. So, so there's a driveway directly west of that, right? There's three driveways if you look at it. The next two properties, like three driveways really close, and then on the east side, you have two driveways with three um properties right there. And that's not an issue for staff. So this one would be right next to this driveway. This one would be next to that one. So we have a driveway right here. Driveway right here. Driveway right there.

Driveway right here. Driveway right here. This is two two access points right here. So two houses. One. So no there there will only be one on the on the one there. I know. But because it services two. So is this a separate one right here? And there's going to be a third another right there. It'll be that one that's existing will be abandoned and shifted over. So they'll both share the the shared drive access. So one, two houses access there and then the access right there. So staff is fine with one, two, three, four access points for all of those.

Absolutely. Yeah. I mean within I mean we we try to we try to limit them and that's especially because this is a collector road and so that's why we do have the two that we can combine combined. So that so the the front house and then the middle house per se will be combined. Um and then and then there is some space between that and the other house um they're to the to the east and so that will help a little bit but um there's really only so much you can do in these situations and and there's nothing that we can do as well for like bushes, trees, shrubs in the front to um obscure visibility. there's nothing if they have an issue like that then there's there's probably some code enforcement things that could be done if they have if they plant trees or bushes that are blocking that that are

you know in a in a bad way but that would be something we could do with code enforcement if that's an issue because of this right here is there going to be curbing and sidewalk installed right there or is there already there's already curbing but they'll install the sidewalk along the front edge of that of that new development there so it'll still end there's no sidewalk you can see to the east so it will end at their property and they'll have an end sidewalk sign and some things like that. But but it will they will install the sidewalk on the front edge of their of their property. Okay. I have a question. Yes, ma'am. Is that front house going to be demolished or is that staying?

Um, you know, I don't recall. I I'd have to look that one up. It's going to stay. I think this one is going to be demolished and they're going to house a garage or shed or shop or something. But yeah, that'll be that'll be demolished because there will be a home that'll be built on that area, but that front house will stay. It it does fit within the lot one. Yeah. parameters that are shown on the So that's the flag lot too, right? Yes. These are both separate flag lots as well, and they both have their own points of access. These ones were approved some time ago. I'm not sure what the specifics are for them.

So, the subject lot I mean it looks like I don't know like it has an apartment Phil in residential. I'm surprised there's not other residents here. But you're saying it fits three homes fit in there for the R19 zone. Yeah, according to our minimum requirements and I'm happy to go over the flag lot requirements if you'd like to take a look at those. No, I trust you. We're okay. I looked at some of those anyway. If you look at that view, the three lots to the right, it's going to match close to those three lots in size. You just flip it.

I guess that's true. Okay. Does anyone have any other questions for Jacob? Yeah, that sounds Thank you, Jacob. Is the applicant here? All right. And it's a public meeting, so I will just open it up to the commissioners for a discussion or a motion. I don't like it, but it meets all the requirements.

I have a I have a question for Erin again. Is it the on the long driveway, is it going to be sloped for water runoff to the street or to the yards? So, yeah, it'll be built to our standard um cross-section, which would u there's a there's a there'll be a planter strip, like a five foot planter strip on the west side that would that would that would allow water to be kind of shoved to that planter strip and then out to the road. Um so, it will be a downhill culde-sac. So, it won't be, you know, it'll be down towards towards fifth fifth north there, Grove Creek, Battle Creek, Grove Creek Drive. Um and then and then and that way the drainage can kind of be kept on site. If not then it will overflow to the public driveway.

Okay. And that will also help that that five foot albeit only 5 foot will also help kind of buffer that driveway to the west as well just a little bit. Right. Thank you. Okay. I I'll make a motion regurging. I move the planning commission approve the the request of Denny Farnsworth for a preliminary residential subdivision plat called Nelson Grove Plat A located at E55 East 500 North in the R19 zone. I second. All right. I have a motion by Commissioner Butler and a second by Commissioner Nelson. All those in favor say I. I.

Any opposed? Motion carries. Item number three is a public hearing to consider the request of Ian Schwaring. Did I do it? Okay. All right. to to amend city code section 10-14-24-1- C-2 permitted principal uses in the Grove commercial sales subdist to add use 6295 [Music] tattooing to the list of permanent uses within the subdist.

All right. Thank you, Madam Chairman. All right. So, whoops, I zoomed in way too far. That's a bit better. All right. So, the applicant Ian Schwaring owns a space used for a salon um just up to the north here along State Street. If you guys know where the Jimmy John's building is, it's right behind there. Uh and that salon is called Var Salon. uh located at 1809 West State Street. Now, in this salon uh there are several individual suites uh that have been provided for employees uh whose use falls underneath use 6230, which is beauty and barber services. Now, this use typically includes businesses that provide services such as haircuts, micro blading, which is permanent makeup, and piercings. Now, to expand their business further, the applicant has requested to amend the list of permitted uses in the Grove Commercial Sales subdist allow tattoos and body art. Uh, and the applicant submitted their application for a code text amendment on September 11th, um, 2025. Now, of course, the applicant um unit is right up here in the Grove Commercial Sales Subdist, and so that is what is being requested to change. uh or which section is being applied to. So um so I did want to bring up um the purpose of the Grove commercial sales subdist. So let me hop on over here. So the Grove commercial sales subdist is established to create attractive Grove district commercial areas allowing for a mix of land uses including office, retail, civic and public and utilizing the highest quality architecture and site design. Um city council can authorize residential uses if they want

to. Uh but development in this subd district should contribute to the creation of a unique signature image for the city that encourages pedestrian activity, social interaction, and a quality shopping experience. And that's something I wanted to talk about quite a bit is this signature image that uh we're looking at. So the Grove commercial sales subdist along major thoroughares that we can see here. So we've got State Street up here. We've got North County Boulevard and we've also got Pleasant Grove Boulevard and we've got the Grove commercial sales along each one of those ma primary uh streets. Um now because each of these roads are primary entry points into the city, the city has intended for these areas to be attractive in terms of both building design and in terms of permitted uses. And so in creating a signature image of the city, many people often associate an area based on the types of businesses that are permitted in that area. Sometimes an area is associated with a certain type of use. So for example, we have the Tesla and the BMW down here um in the southeast corner of Pleasant Grove or like there's that grouping of restaurants right here um at Pleasant Grove Boulevard and North County Boulevard. Um, and then we've also got uh other areas that act as a particular landmark. Like we've got Evermore right here that people can associate. Hey, there's like that park that's over here. Well, not anymore, but um tattooing though is currently only permitted in two zones in Pleasant Grove. One is the transit overlay zone, which is not currently an active zone anywhere in Pleasant Grove. And the second zone where it's permitted is in the general commercial zone, which is this light blue uh around here. And there's a few sections here and there throughout Pleasant Grove that would uh

that have that kind of zoning designation. Um, but both of these zones only permit tattooing under the general category of use 6200 personal services, which is a large overarching category that encompasses many types of uses like laundromats, mortuaries, photographic services, and of course, beauty and barber services. Now, while tattoos aren't particularly associated with the general commercial zone, the general commercial zone is intended to be what its namesake implies, an area where just about any type of general business can operate without adhering to any kind particular kind of design theme or signature image. And so, because of this, there's less of a push back against permitting tattoo shops in the general commercial zone. However, because the Grove commercial sales subdistrict is intended to promote a signature image, it becomes more important to identify what kind of businesses the city wants to allow when creating that image. So, tattoos have historically been perceived by the public in a somewhat negative light and associated with groups thought to operate outside of the social center. Uh, in recent years, however, tattoos shops have gradually become more accepted as a mainstream art form. So, as tattooing becomes more widely accepted, staff's recommendation is one of careful incorporation, uh, taken step by step to retain the Grove Zone's signature image. Now, the Grove commercial sales subdist, um, as we can see here, it encompasses a large area of Pleasant Grove, and it would be a sudden and drastic change to permit U6295 throughout the entirety of the Grove commercial sales subdist all at once. Tattooing as a use would be more easily digestible if it were applied to a commercial zone with a smaller land area. And so staff recommends denial of the proposed code text amendment as it's

currently written. Um, instead staff recommends that U6295 should be permitted only if certain conditions are applied, such as being permitted within a certain area along State Street and if associated with use 6230 beauty and barber services. Um, and so if a condition like that were to be made, um, we would recommend approval of something like that. uh because up here along State Street, that's a much smaller area and I think a lot easier for most people to digest like that could be a use associated up there. So, uh with that being said though, um I can take any questions.

Jacob, will you show me just show me that whole area again? It's all the in the orange. Well, I'm calling it orange. Salmon colored. Yeah. All of this salmon color all up and down here. Okay. Jacob, exactly where is this salon? This salon is right up here. Whoops. So, this is Walmart right here. Okay. And then we have the Jimmy John's right here. And then so they are in this unit right here in this building. It's right next to a dentist's office. And are they?

Yeah. No, you go. Are they asking are they asking to change it for that entire area? That's the current request is to add it to the Grove commercial sales subdist and adding it to the whole subdist itself is something that staff uh I think that we would recommend denial of. Um, but if we were to limit it to something like say along State Street and if associated with uh beauty and barber services like the microb blading and such, that would be where our recommendation would turn to approval.

So the current salon, right, the current salon does does it do um hair? Yes, it does. Yeah. So there are several uh tenants in there right now that do the beauty and barber services. They're doing and that would include hair that would include microb blading that would include so so with this like you know you say use 6295 like the last sentence or second to last sentence would more be more easily digestible if applied let's see no no if it's applied with this 6230 right and so as currently written right now it's not attached correct that's and that's the issue correct

so you want it attached. You're okay with it if it's with it would be more permissible. Now looking at you added other cities right here. I did. Right. And so looking at the cities um ORUM right here it says C3 zone but only permitted as an accessory use to a beauty shop where less than 15% of the revenue of the beauty shop is derived from tattooing and only using a three needle or less method. So right not talking about the needle or anything like that. So 15%. So something like that, that kind of a scenario would be more palatable. And I think not even necessarily doing like the 15% but really just associated with

but but something like that is more palatable for the city's perspective. Yeah. Specifically again because it affects so much of the area. Exactly. And that's kind of where the State Street idea coming into. comment that I had about that is that you know reading through you know the the city's desire like the signature imi im image of the city right um so you know being able to be walkable and stuff I just I hate to say it I had to chuckle a little bit because that area of the city where it currently is

that's not walkable that's not something that it's it's not you know the uh the grid area and stuff like that it's not something where people just walk freely, nice, holding hands, enjoying the summer air and stuff like that. That's a lot of traffic. That's a lot of traffic. It's not foot traffic, right? And so I I just had to to laugh that, you know, there we have this desire and yet it's a lot of a lot of driving. Anyway, okay. Thank you, Jacob, for clarifying that. Yeah, absolutely. Will you answer one more for me? Yes, ma'am. Because this signature image idea kind of makes me laugh.

But we have a vape and smoking shop in this area. Can they do that in all the areas in the same area? I think there's a vape a smoke and vape shop over here next to Macy's. Oh, Macy's is there. So there's And that's in a different spot. So Okay. How about by Smith's? Uh Smith's is also in the CS2 zone. Okay. Because there's a there's another one there. Okay. So, CS2, us dirty heathen. Yes. Yes. Well, and I also had to laugh at the C like the CG zone.

The CG zone right here next to the garden theater or the former water garden Theater. It's right across the street. That's the CG and then that as well right there. So, right across the street in those professional buildings that that can have a tattoo shop there. So that's just kind of Anyway,

there's no other questions for me. I'll let the applicant hop on up and answer any questions that you have. Thank you, Jacob. Thank you. If the applicant wants to come up to the podium, just make sure to state your name for the record.

My name's Ian Schwaring. Sorry, I was raising my hand just because I probably could have answered. I was like, I can answer that better. A little impatient. Um, I don't have a ton to say. I frankly don't care about what happens to the entirety of the zone. Um, let me give you a little back story. And hey, I'm the second and uh, there are only two applicants here, so I'll give you more information than you probably care about. I am reasonably educated on zoning specifically around tattoo because I've worked with probably eight other cities and these hearings tend they're like tend to be correlated like the success of them. based on typically how conservative the community is. Um, so I got into this building um, knowing that tattoos were not approved, not a permitted use. However, like in ORM, I have a location in Orum. I have 15 locations in Utah. Um, and by the way, my wife had our fourth kid like 30 hours ago and so I'm not extreme.

Um, and we opened five new locations in Arizona on the 1st, which is in like six days. Where are your tattoos? What's that? Yeah. No, it's funny because I probably will never get a tattoo and I'm not like that passionate of an advocate for tattoos. I just hate that if someone comes to me and I just want to be clear. One of the things I was wanting to be clear is are I don't know if any of you are familiar with salon suites. We're not the only shop in town. It's like you walk in

and there's it's not just like an open space. There's literally at the at our location in Pleasant Grove, I think we have 23 small spaces, and this can be anybody from a tattoo person, well, legally there's no tattoo people in there. Um, eyebrow people, hair people, barbers, whatever. And it's always crazy that legally I can permit any of these people that are probably going to have the same hours, the same types of customers that um all of these other groups are going to have. Um but the only difference is, you know, in 1896 when Pleasant Grove or wherever was putting together their code and statutes, you know, the people only people back then getting tattoos were like heroin users and bikers. Um and so now tattoos are relegated to like the industrial zone and apparently CS2 is for smoke shops and all the sinners apparently is where they send you guys to. But yeah, typically sometimes it like just takes an applicant like me bringing this up to kind of give a refresh to the code. But overall I I personally and look obviously I am self-interested here. Um but like we're at 99% occupancy. It's not going to affect our business really if we the city of Pleasant Grove allows us to have tattoos or not. I just hate that I have frankly most of our clients because our clients are not the people getting their hair done or getting a tattoo. Our clients are the people that provide that service to other people. So, I'm kind of advocating on their behalf and most of them are single women. And I hate if a if a person comes to me and they're like, "Hey, I've been doing aesthetics for years. I got my license to do, you know, very rarely do we have people that are putting on like huge back pieces and stuff. It's more like I love my mom like in like little fine ink and they're like, "Hey, I want to add that." And it's like, "Well, it's technically

illegal to do that here." Um, so for their sake, I would love to to find some kind of a compromise. I do understand code where if you add something into code, it has to be universally applicable across the board. Like in Lehi, I'm sure you guys are a million times better than Lehi and a million times better than ORM and every city that uh has some kind of a workaround, but like in Lehi, we're in a similar zone where they do have a similar thing. It's 15%. It's like, okay, if you're some kind of salon use and 15% or less of your space is occupied by tattoo people, they'll give them uh business licenses. So, long story short, that's a little bit of background about what I'm hoping for is that I just would hate I hate to turn people down and say you're doing this illegally out of this salon when you can do all of these other beauty services and hopefully we can think of something.

So, you're okay if we attach Yes. tattoos as long as it's attached to beauty whatever that serves the purpose, right? Yeah. I I mean I don't know if that's what you guys want to do cuz I think what you're trying to prevent and it's funny having uh city council I don't want to prevent anything yet but I'm just wondering does that fit your what you need for sure. Yes. Okay. Yeah. And you understand the city's position. Yeah. Because of the size of the zone specifically in our in our city, right? Everybody's worried about, oh, if we red like let give the green light for a red light district.

Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. All these weird things are going to pop up. I don't think PG would have enough business for us to come in and and like make it profitable for tattooist parlors or whatever. Be surprised. I don't think so. I mean that's but you were you were understanding if it is attached you know to hair and you know other services

and frankly the one of the only reasons well not the only reason but it was a consideration in our due diligence of even purchasing this building is because so I own the whole building and so I'm the landlord for the dentist then there's my salon it used to be zero res it's a carpet cleaning company they moved there to HQ and then there's an Edward Jones financial planner so yeah it would be kind of funny if it's like dentist tattoo shop.

But again, it's I don't view myself like that. We've got 20s something and at any given time we'll have around 5 to 15% of people that want to lease space from us do body art or tattoo. But Daniel, who I think is your boss, when we initially spoke said, "Hey, we just denied a tattoo, like a full tattoo shop, but based on how I can see this and stuff, I actually think, you know, if you've just got like one or two out of your 20some people in there, um, let's do it." And then when I just had a tattoo person apply for a city license or business license, which is why I'm here now, Daniel backpedalled and was like, I've got to ask the city attorney. I'm like, Daniel, this is a $2.5 million building that I now own and I don't intend to turn these folks away. But the city attorney said, "Oh, yeah, we're not going to do that." So that's the reason I'm bringing it here now.

Okay. Yeah. Kind of Oh, go ahead. Never mind. Does anyone have any other questions? Thank you so much. Thank you. It's a public hearing, so I will open it to the public. And seeing none, I'll close the public hearing and I'll bring it up to the commissioners for a discussion or a motion. In my time here, this is the third tattoo parlor that I've heard. So, third. Yeah.

Yeah. This one is the least obtrusive, but um you know I drive I I cover the whole state with what I do and there's a couple tattoo parlors that I mean their lights are so goddy. I mean neon I can see them when you go down Bangar Highway. You can see the lights of that tattoo parlor two miles before you get to it if you're there in in the morning or if you're after night. Once we open this door the to the area, if we don't limit it, that's what is likely to come in because I know, you know, with my family, there's lots of uh people that do tattooing. There's people that do it illegally in their basements that I know of in Pleasant Grove.

So, can I ask can I ask uh staff a question, Jacob? So what is the process to to be able to make it so that it is attached to hair? You know, if if that is an attachment as we talked about earlier, what is that process? Approve it with that. So yeah, we would just make the motion to approve it with that condition and then we'll draft that up for the text for city council. Okay. So is it attached to an existing existing salon like Yeah. And then the city council will hear staff's recommendation, planning commission's recommendation, and they'll make their determination

because because my opinion Thank you, Jacob. Appreciate that very much. I have another question for you. And this might be attorney. This still works even though it's a it's a suite. Like it it's for the use. Yeah. So whether it's a suite, whether it's a whole show, doesn't matter. As long as one of them's beauty, then tattoo can go in. Okay. And I'm fine with that. No percentages of business done or anything. Yeah. I mean, that was that was just from another city that I was just reading. I'm just saying if I didn't know if anybody on

my my I I agree with you, Jim, on you know that you're I I agree with you on that position and that opinion. Are you okay if we do attach it to Oh, I I I have no problem if it's attached to something um at all. It's just if it's a standalone. Yeah, I see standalones all over and very few of them have a an attractive frontage. Well, even then you can make a condition on it in the area whether it's standalone or not. I don't know. I kind of have a problem with this image thing. That's just me personally. I'm fine with it attached. I don't think the city has a an issue with it. I'm

the chair of the commission and I come here with my tattoos every day. I just I'm just trying to figure out what is what is the difference between a tattoo and permanent makeup? I thought permanent makeup is a tattoo. So why is that allowed but not? Great question. Yeah. Um so permanent makeup is tattoos. Um but the difference is uh permanent makeup falls more under the beauty and barber services. It's not there to you know make a statement or to have like body art effectively. It's there

someone's opinion though. Yeah. It's opinion. It's not true. as as a land use. It's more of like uh you know someone wanted to like if they don't have eyebrows and they need to get their eyebrows redrawn in or something like that just as an example. But we can go back. I'm really proud of you for knowing that. I'm really proud of you for knowing that. So in order to expedite this, are we all all do we want to vote for it as is and say yes that the whole area can be tattoo or do we want to vote and with the condition of it being attached to beauty and barber or would you want to um limit it in area to like state street? Can we do both?

You can do both. has to be attached to a swan and limited to that area limited on State Street. And that that staff's recommendation is to limit it to State Street and associated with U6230. I'm fine with it. What do you think? State Street. I'm happy with State Street and limiting because I do I wouldn't want to see a whole bunch of tattoo places go into that area. Okay. Okay. So, so just just u confirm all of State Street as far as now we're just talking about the Grove zone, right? Grove commercial sales district commercial sales. So, it's from

North County and 1300 not necessarily just as long as it's along State Street would be fine. Along State Street can be in it won't go down just between just for properties that front onto State Street. Yeah. Yeah. So it won't go down North County Boulevard upon that. So it would just be fronting State Street right there and then it with a health and beauty or beauty salon. Are we okay with that? Yes, sir. Yeah, I like I like that because then we can move it forward to the planning commission. There's no Well, the city council we approved the

planning commission. That's what I meant to say. that the city council whatever city council it's got still got a and for reference the beauty salon the use for that one would be 6230 6230 and his isn't right on state street but it is it fronts onto state street it is from state street it does okay yeah because the access is from street direct access onto Yep so this would work for this property Okay, I'd entertain a motion. Huh?

Motion. I move that the planning commission forward a recommendation of approval for the request of Ian Schwarting to the city council for the proposed amendments to city code section 101424-1 C2. permitted principal uses in the general commercial sales district subdist by adding use 6295 tattooing and adopting the exhibits, conditions and findings of the staff report modified by um all final planning, engineering and fire department requirements are met and attach and it must be attached to existing 6230 salon and front state Street. Correct.

Believe. So, give me one second. 1014241C2. Is that correct? Yeah. Yes. In the general, did I put general commercial sales subdist? It's the Grove commercial sales subdist. I'm so sorry. Oh, permitted the Grove. Do we need to say the whole thing again? Okay. Yeah. I move. Wait, what is it? Grow commercial. Gro commercial.

Okay. So, I move the planning commission forward a recommendation of approval for the request of Ian Schwaring to the city council for the proposed amendments to city code section 10-14-24-1- C-2 permitted principal uses in the general in the Grove

in the Grove commercial sales subdist by adding use 6295 tattooing and adopting the exhibits conditions and findings of the staff report as modified by all final planning, engineering, and fire department requirements are met and that it is attached to existing 6230 salon and fronting State Street. Second. All right, I have a motion by Commissioner Trickler and a second by Commissioner Butler. All those in favor say I. I.

Any opposed? Motion carries. Agenda item number four, public hearing to consider the request of St. John Properties to amend city code section 10-14-25-2 permitted conditional and accessory uses in the Grove Business Park overlay by modifying the provisions and requirements for permitted principal uses within the Grove Business Park overlay to add a series of multiple new uses or categories to the list of permitted uses within the overlay zone. All righty. Thank you, Madam Chairman.

Thank you, Jacob.

All right. So, the last item that we have for tonight is the continued item for St. John's properties from last time to add several new uses into the Grove Business Park overlay. Now, during the last meeting, staff recommended approval of most of the proposed uses as they met the intent of the Grove Business Park overlay by largely staying within an enclosed building and not negatively surrounding impacting uses or buildings. Uh so to briefly recap, um I've got up here what was being proposed overall. So they were going to add things like apparel, uh the assembly of household furniture and office furniture and only if those were associated with their retail counterparts. And then several utility uses, telephones, um other telephone communications, electric, gas, water, sewer, and refuse. except that sewage and refuse disposal company offices would be office only. And then we had use 6373 refrigerated warehousing 6411 and 6418. Um now as we discussed last time though this use 6411 uh that was a bit of a discussion point as to what staff would feel comfortable recommending approval of. uh staff was concerned about permitting the use as a whole and what kind of conditions would be appropriate for this use uh if we were to recommend approval. And so staff had a meeting with the applicant to discuss this and ultimately we landed on recommending approval of use 6411 with the condition that engine and transmission repair would be excluded and that the entirety of the use including vehicles to be serviced would take place entirely indoors. By remaining indoors, this use becomes much more in conformance with the vision of the Grove Business Park overlay, which is to provide for a mixture of research, office, retail, warehousing, and certain

specialized light manufacturing uses in a park-like atmosphere. And so, ultimately, staff recommends approval of all of the proposed uses with their associated conditions as written in the draft language. And uh we can go through that if we need to. And I can also take any questions as we go through any of this. There's already a sound ordinance all over that area. Right. Say that one more time. There's a sound ordinance. A sound ordinance? Yeah. Throughout the whole city, there's a noise ordinance. Okay. So, if anything loud is going on, it's going to be during business hours.

Right. So, as you said, or as it's written here, the applicant now proposes that you 6411 would be indoors only. Mhm. Um including vehicles to be serviced. And so just want to confirm the adjustments based upon our conversation last time. The applicant is fine with these adjustments. They're on board if it's indoor only because again we were talking about not just their building, but we are also talking about an area that's north along North County Boulevard to the east. Anywhere in the growth zone, this one could be applied. I mean, obviously we they would have to go through a reszone application and there would have to be certain requirements that we'd be looking for for any of those, but yes.

Thank you. And this says automo automobile repair, so like they're going to be changing tires, anything like that, you're fine with it. Just actually go to that section. Is that like with garage door down, garage door up?

Uh 6411. So, generally speaking, this is what is included in all of that. So, body shops, brake repair, mufflers, not transmission repair because that one is one that we are excluding, carburetor, radiator, wheel alignment, etc. And then we're also going to be excluding any engine repair, anything like that. The reason for that is because engine repair, transmission repair, things like that tend to be a little bit noisy. And so, um, you know, to avoid smells and noise and things like that. That's why we're excluding all of those and trying to keep it indoors.

Cool. Does anybody have any other questions for Jacob? Thank you, Jacob. I I do. Yes. I'm not asking. Okay. I was trying to turn my mic on, but um so I thought that we were they were not allowed to do anything with liquids that would be a hazardous material like in radiators there's there's liquids and brake repairs there's liquids and so radiator that might fall underneath that like engine repair sort of deal.

So it's a little bit more of a broad term like that whole engine repair and transmission repair. I mean, like we've got transmission specifically here, but engine repair would be pretty much anything else that's like inside the engine itself. What the applicant is mostly looking for is uh something more akin to like the body shop sort of deal. Um, so what about like I mean these high-end cars that they're supposedly wanting to do like some people like to put like nitrous in it. Is nitrous going to be allowed in there? Um, that would be a modification.

Yeah, modification. I mean, as long as they're not like Yeah, as long as they're not like messing with the engine itself to like, you know, I don't know. It It's hard for me to explain because I don't really know what the whole process looks like. But if it has to do with engine work, that's something that we would not recommend approval of. But otherwise, if it's like, oh, hey, this is an add-on. We can, you know, give this to you. Then sure, but I mean it's for the whole area for right for I don't know if it's forever, but some kind of need stereo. They can put their stereo equipment in there. Stereoss. Yeah, that's a really loud shop actually.

Is it really? Yeah, it is. Okay. I um Good thing the door will be closed. That's true though. It's closed, right? It is indoors. There's nothing going on in the parking lot. Indoors and yeah, indoors. Well, and then if there were anything outside, then it would be up to the neighbors and stuff to, you know, make a complaint for code violation. Thank you, Jacob. Thank you. And I also have the applicant on the phone if we need to ask him any questions. Does anybody want to ask Marty any questions? No. Glad he's on the phone. Okay. We beat him up last time that

we appreciate his willingness. Thanks, Marty. Have a good night, Marty.

And this is a public hearing, so I will open it up to the public. And not seeing any, I will close it to the public and I will bring it back up to the commissioners for a discussion or emotion. I move the planning commission forward a recommendation of approval to the city council for the proposed amendments to the city code section 10-14-25-2- C permitted conditional and accessory uses by adding the proposed list of uses to the list of the permitted uses in the Grove business park overlay and adopting the exhibits, conditions and findings of the staff report and as modified by the conditions but there was no

of the staff report of the staff report. Yes, the conditions of the staff report. Second. I have a motion by Commissioner Nelson and a second by Commissioner Butler. All those in favor say I. I. Any opposed? Motion carries. Um, I take a motion to approve the minutes. I move we approve the minutes from the previous September 11. Second. I have a motion by Commissioner Martino and a second by Commissioner Trickler. All those in favor say I. I.

Any opposed? Motion carries. Move to adjurnn. So moved.