Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

that I'm not that scary. Okay. Yes. We'll now call the meeting to order. Are you ready, Tanya? Tanya, is that it? Tanya. Sorry, don't go by how it's spelled. Okay. We're going to ask Commissioner Sts to lead us in the pledge of allegiance. if you'll all join us. I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Um, we'll start with roll call. Uh, Commissioner Beckrom here. Commissioner Dao here. Commissioner Stats here. Commissioner Alder here. Commissioner Bartholomew here. And I am Commissioner Scott. Um, any any questions or comments on the meeting notes? I know Commissioner Beckrom sent some. They were corrected and we got the revised minute minutes. Thank you for doing that, Tanya. Any questions or comments? Can I have a motion of approval? So moved. We have a com motion by Commissioner Beckrom. Can I have a second? Second by Commissioner Bartholomew. I believe every commissioner with the exception of Commissioner Alder can vote on this. Um all in favor of approving the meeting minutes from March 5th, 2025 say I. I. I. I. Okay. Thank

you. Um first item of business. We'll turn the time over to staff. Yeah. Trish to close planning staff. So presenting SUB 2025-027 which is um preliminary plat approval for Sagewood Gardens phase 2. Um yeah, it's pretty much it's just a 41 acre I mean a 41 lot um subdivision uh with two alpha lots for access for trails and to parks um which the HOA will maintain. Um, and this is part of uh Sagewood's development agreement. So, they can have smaller lot sizes. Um, they just have to comply with uh how many lots they excuse me have total in their subdivision and they do comply with that still and they do have room for their uh next phase of stuff coming in too. So, they they do have some room to play with that. So um really the only thing so all the other agencies have reviewed it and they have approved everything. Um yeah, so staff recommends that you grant approval for Sagewood Gardens phase 2. Just preliminary plan question really fast. Um when you talk about the trails and and walkways, does that tie into the existing trails down there in Okay. Yeah. So if you look um on that southern end, that trail goes all the way through and it's already built. So this is just a section that they haven't built out yet. So it will connect all the way through. Perfect fits. Any just question for staff probably. What are they doing with the corner lot there that at one time was going to be a rec center?

Um that's way over on the other that's in a different phase. Isn't this is this a different Yeah, it's not even They've already approved all that and accepted everything that they had for open space. I thought this was the same. No, I think it's the same development, different page. It's the same. It's the same developer. Yeah. But yeah, it's just this is just a different phase, but it's overall part of the same project that had that we've given the agreement for the smaller lots to, right? Yeah. So, they like that's all part of the same development. Yeah. So, they've complied with all their open space requirements. And so, I'm just wondering what is going on with that lot. I don't know. But we we're not talking about that one. So, it's not part of this one. Yeah. But when can we talk about that lot? uh like if we can't talk about it when the developer brings up a phase of their development which which this is a part of when can we talk about it it's not part of this plat so we can't talk about it but wasn't so when can we talk about it wasn't the smaller unit or smaller lot sizes contingent on at one time that was contingent and then it came back and there's like oh no this isn't happening and then we can't talk about it anymore No. So, uh, Stanbury Service Agency has accepted all the green spaces and the and the agreements. It's already So, they accept that corner lot as well. Yep. So, it's up to Stanbury now. Yep. It's all under there. Okay. That's the answer I was looking for. Yeah. So, yeah, they've already taken care of all that. They've already made all the agreements and and all that for open space. So, they've already complied with all those requirements. Unfortunately, you're not getting Well, yeah, I knew that. I knew that a while ago. He already gave us that news. So, and the trail system is mid. Um, it doesn't really connect to anything except for if you live in that

that homes. That's I would like to see on the trail system for Stansbury into Lake Point. Well, you can't afford the country club anyway. Anyway, different subject. Any other questions or for Trish? Thank you. Um I am now opening public hearing. If you have a comment, please step forward, state your name for the record. Seeing no one, I close public hearing. Any questions or comments? This is the time. Do I have a recommendation? A recommendation would be a motion to approve CUP. Did we close? I did. I I'm going by the premise that I could do it because because that's in the rules. Um, and I just want to make one thing clear is that the roads within this subdivision are private. So, just make sure you the roads are private in this section in phase one and two of gardens only. Just so you guys are aware of that. So, you guys will have when you approve it, you'll approve those private roads. So, they don't have to come through with CUP and get your approval. So, you'll just approve it. Okay. So, oh, a subdivision. We're making a recommendation to approve or disapprove it to the county council. This is like a cup. Well, it's a preliminary plat. Okay. It's a preliminary plat. So, you'll approve the preliminary plat and or deny it if you want and with reasons, but just so you know that you have to approve the private roads within that development.

Just so you know, that's just code requirements as well. Okay. I am informed that the developer is online. If there's any questions for Okay, Timothy redevelopment, but I'm here for some questions. This has been approved once. Yeah, just here to get approval. So, okay. I I don't think we have any questions at this time. So, do we have a motion? I'll make a motion that we approved 2025-027. That right one. Correct. Okay. Um, preliminary plat approval for Sagewood Gardens phase 2 subdivision as presented with with private approval of private roads. With what? Approval of private roads. Would you consider that with approval of private roads? So, we don't have to have it come back for CUP. I see. I have a motion. Can I have a second? I'll second it. I have a motion by Commissioner Beckm, second by Commissioner Alder. We will do roll call on this. Commissioner Dao, how do you vote? Yes. Commissioner Stats, how do you vote? Yes. Commissioner Bartholomew, yes. Commissioner Scott, I vote yes. Commissioner Alder, yes. And Commissioner Becktra, yes. Okay, motion passes. Thank you. Moving on. Sorry. I wasn't prepared to take over Dangh um to reszone 2025-035 and we'll turn the time over to staff. Uh yeah, Trish with planning staff again. So this is a reszone request uh for a property off um Higgley Road. Um it's

currently MU40 which is a multi-use 40acre minimum and the request is to change it to an MD zone which is a manufacturing distribution. Um and the applicant is here as well. So if you have questions for that but um the property is uh 61 just barely over 61 acres in size. It's just north of Higgley Road and it borders uh the western border of what will become the inland port. Um, so you do have the zone considerations um, attached in the staff report. So just keep kind of those in mind. Um, in the MD zone, there's not really a a minimum lot acreage. So they could come in and subdivide it into a bunch of different lots. Um, which could bring in a lot of businesses in the area. So concerns that have been brought up in the past, um, I'm sure you guys are familiar with this area, most of you. Um, but a lot of concerns were brought up with the traffic off of Higgley Road, and we currently have denied uh the Inland Port properties access off Higgley because it just can't provide uh adequate access for that type of use. Um, and those um trucks and and traffic coming in. Um there have been wetlands found in the area but uh there are some mitigation that could be done that just has to be approved through the department of army corps engineer approval. So that would also happen um towards subdivision if there's going to be or um building just so that you guys are aware that they'll just have to go through another um process on top of what we require as well. And they do have all of that in the staff report stuff. All the stuff that you guys got. What there's a a

traffic study and um the RB core um study as well. Um so all that's in there. Um but the main concern we have as with um staff is just that uh like it it aligns with the the Tula County general plan in that area. it is projected as manufacturing. Um the only concerns that we have right now are just this this the surrounding um agricultural uses um and the infrastructure in the area. It just won't provide currently won't provide what would be the manufacturing off off of Higgley especially. So, um, staff just recommends, uh, denial at this time because of those issues. Uh, until those infrastructure and things can be addressed, I think we should just hold off for the reason for now. Uh, correct me. Isn't part of Hickley Road private? Portions of it is. So, this is before we hit the private. And did we ever expand that? We talked about winding the road up until that prophet. Did we require that when we did the Okay, we talked about it. I know with Mr. When the subdivisions cannabis Yeah. When the subdivisions come in, that would be that requirement to widen and um put that that stuff in. So doing the road improvements in front of the cannabis plan. Yeah. And soil really doesn't widen the road, right? Gives it a little more. Okay. Um and it's only that we are talking about access off of Higgley not

coming obviously because Inland Port's not establish. Yeah. So the only access to these properties currently are it's Higgley. So the only way that we've allowed the inland port to come in with their MG zone is that they access off Burmeister off the northern side. right, and drop down in um and we did have conversations with them about maybe possibly opening that road in for these and they don't want to do that. So, and they're they they can't access Higgley either. We're not going to allow them to do that until that road is and infrastructure in that area provides safe access for that. Okay. Anyone else have any questions for staff? I do. Um the reasons that you're recommending denial, are those things reachable that they can come back to us in in a period of time? Yeah. Um so they would just have to acquire some of that um the road width, right, from the private property owners um and then come in and expand that um and put the infrastructure in. So I it's I mean it's a process that they'd have to go through, but it's a possibility for them. Yeah. However, when it comes to wetlands, that isn't something that they can mitigate. So, well, they're not protected. Um, but they're they do have to do quite a an extensive amount of work and that would all have to be approved through the Army Corps department. So, it could take a while. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Anyone else? There we go. All right. Um, thank you. I will open public hearing. If you have a comment on this, please come up and state your name. Hi. Uh, Michael Jury. I'm the, uh, property owner.

Oh, I'm sorry, Mr. Jury. When you get finished, will you please sign that? Sorry. We usually move it over, but Thank you. I was looking for that. T2 is Thank you. Okay. No problem. Thank you. Um, anyways, I've been uh a property owner out there for about 20 years. And so I'm actually the one that uh sold the A20 property to Wholesome, the cannabis operation, and then also the property in back to Utah Track and Welding. So, I've actually been responsible for uh about four different traffic studies and I'm actually now doing before I could sell the cannabis operation and the Utah track and welding operation, I had to agree to put uh post a bond to do the county road improvements. So, I'm I'm working on those right now. On my this other subject property, I've already performed the county road improvements. And basically, we are going to have to add some asphalt. We have to do a saw cut and add a couple feet to make it the county road requirements. But there's clear lane all the way up. There's a lot of trucks that the Higgleys use for farming semis up and down the road. Uh the traffic studies show about 400 trucks, 400 semis a day, about 3,000 uh cars a day for residential use. So, it's actually a nice road. actually Jerry Hurst uh way back when is the one that helped pave it for us because we used to do a lot of fundraisers out there at the outdoor shooting range. So the subject property though we've done an extensive effort to

scrub that property. Um we think it's a valuable property for small businesses. We're trying to create jobs and we are attracting a lot of small businesses that are interested in one, two, and five acre lots. uh a trucking school, a lot of trucking related companies uh to be honest. Uh there is this man-made canal uh that the farmers have done so many years ago and I wish they did it a little deeper because if it was a little deeper then it wouldn't have overflowed and created wetlands but it did. So we actually were required to we got the division of natural resources involved. Um, so that governs up to a certain point about 1/4 of the property going from south to north and then it turns into army corps where as soon as there's no more bank, no more riverbank, then it turns into Army Corps. So Army Corps came out um and said, "Hey, you got to get aquatic delineation resources report, which comes out and measures all the different types of wetland." There's about 9.9 acres. So, we coordinated with the Army Corps. We're going to leave that alone. We're not planning to develop the west side of it for now. And we're just going to develop the 50. It's basically uh about 41 acres on the east side. Um we have a lot of different really good businesses that are interested in uh coming out there. Uh I I I think it is a good idea not to have Inland Port have access to Higgley Road because they have a better access off Burmeister. Um that's a really good access, but there's a lot of small businesses um that we plan to bring to the area consistent with the master plan. Uh the other things we've done to the property, phase one, topography, geotechnical, of course, out to survey, um every possible thing you could do and cleanup. The farmers out there

uh had some sort of deal where they received tires for like a many many decades. So we we spent about $225,000 getting rid of those because there's only one state agency to to handle those. um, Liberty Tire and had to pick them all up, take them to the dump. So, we've spent an incredible amount of money to clean that property up and make it uh, usable for the area in conjunction with the master plan. Um, and like I said, we've already done the county road improvements. Um, and we're planning to encourage that all the way up. Uh we number one when you come up the road the farmer's homes and kind of accumulation of of equipment and trucks and and junk is is quite quite uh shocking. And so we're we've been pushing to have them do what we can working with them to clean it up. It's kind of going kind of slow but uh I think the the good businesses deserve that. And uh Jared Higgley has about 13 acres in that little square that's missing below. Um we're going to make some efforts to buy him out and we can clean up his property and then just keep moving on down. Um we've also been in contact with Arthur Higgley who owns the stuff between all inland Port us and the in the Burmeister. So pretty much even Inland Port plans everything east of their property including ours to be part of the port someday. We chose to be outside of the port because we didn't all the red want all the red tape. We own our property free and clear and we're we're doing more economical deals with the small business owners is our plan. But we've done a great amount of effort to get to this point. We've been working on it for a year and a half to even be able to come to this meeting and say, "Hey, we've got a polished, clean presentation, a great property, and a lot of good business owners that want to bring jobs to the

county." So, with that, I'll be open to any questions. Not during public hearing. Oh, okay. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Any other questions or or comments from the audience? Howdy. My name is Cameron Ordicowski. Um, for the record, um, I am a commercial real estate agent. I stumbled into Tula County via a company that was looking to do data centers and and was looking for a lot of gas and some good land. And uh when I stumbled into Tula County and saw all the development that was actually happening, eventually my my client decided no, he wanted to go somewhere else down in Texas. But I decided to stay up in Tula County because I saw all this development and I was just I've been in contact with many of the different developers and just getting all excited of everything that's going on. And so, um, I just want to just confirm I've been having a lot of interest from different places out in Texas, Idaho, and California of just being interested in and now scoping out the areas, including this property here, of which I've been finding some of the people that are interested in buying at a lot of the trucking type facilities. And so I just wanted to say this is a really great opportunity and um everything isn't all going to go in at once and it's going to take some time to build some of these um whatever businesses that want to come out. So that I I just think it's a great great idea to approve the properties just because it gives that extra uh places for people to choose from. So that's that's that's my two cents. Will you please sign in? Uh, I did sign

earlier. Do I need to sign anything? Nope. Just needed. Um, any other comments? Anything online, Michelle? emails or comments. Trish. Okay. Um I'm closing in public hearing. Any comments or questions? I was interested in the in the titles and who they represent. Nope. Um my my concern is we have one access point. We have Higgley. How far down? He's talked about further acquiring some property from Hickley, I'm familiar with it. Um, having grown up in the area, I know that there's no other access point. It can only go so far down with all the traffic without it being becoming an issue in my opinion. Can an access point be created where I don't know. Can't It's kind of landlocked. I see. Landlocked. and with the inland port not being open to it, right? And and I am concerned about I am concerned about the wetlands because even though sorry approach no okay public hearing's closed so Oh okay go ahead and then you can ask your question the land owner. I was interested in that your your title and the company name. Uh, I'm the owner. Uh, and the company is GRE South LLC. GRE South. Okay. South. One of your questions about the

wetlands is we we actually can buy wetland credits, right? So, it's only 10 acres. It would be 750,000 and we can pipe that and build on it. We're just choosing to preserve it at this point. Okay. And so, we have 50 51 acres that we can develop. You just but you had mentioned the public hearing that you you were think at this point you're not developing but further down the road you no okay no and uh you know the cannabis operation has the one access down Higgley Utah track and welding one access down Higgley we're picking businesses that aren't creating a lot of traffic on purpose and and and if if if a certain business generates a lot of traffic then they would probably have their business license or permit denied until the the road was bolstered. Yeah. I just So that's something we can do down the road if it creates an issue. Truck driving schools having I work in the truck driving industry and I I see a lot and I see the um truck driving schools by my location and the traffic then that one should be denied. But there's other businesses that want a warehouse for inventory housing. uh secure storage and and those would be case by case basis. Say let's pick businesses that are going to work with the area and work on the road. Okay. If it's minimal traffic and it abides by the the truck traffic study and the u consumer carb study, then that should be approved. It knowing we have cannabis, Utah truck and welding. And at one point we're going to say, hey, it's worth it to do some more county road improvements all the way down. Okay. Okay. But while the road can handle it, I think it's fair that we approve businesses that would not be a burden. Planning Commission, can I address that a little um use credit to a point? So, if it's a business that requires a conditional use permit, then it can come

before you and you could use the the road being inadequate as a mitigation measure. But if it's once this is reszoned, if it is in the table of uses as a permitted use, we cannot That's right. based on its impact on the road. I pulled up a traffic study and it looks like they're assuming there's three to four lanes east and west on Higgley from the turn patterns which there are not. 12 ft of basketball. That should be inaccurate because they've done four the same company Hell's Engineering has done four different traffic studies. Pulled up the diagram was looking at it to see what they showed as the width and they don't show the width of the asphalt and it's only about 12. That was my next question. How far has it been widened? Because it's 20 ft. Yeah. And they've we've had multiple conversations with Hell's Engineering. It's 20 ft. It's two lane. That's it. Yeah. Well, and we've you've come here before, but right now what you've provided doesn't show that it's been widened. It l The report does not say it's four lanes. It's this is I've had four different uh reports over two and a half years. I know these guys inside and out. They're I've had report after report say I have to make sure this is perfect. It doesn't say four lanes. They know it's a they know it's a small road. No, I just pulled up the traffic count solutions diagram. Yeah. Yeah. Which is different than what the actual road is. But I'm asking for normal businesses that are not a burden that it's a nice road by the way. If we all go out there for a field trip, it's a nice road. Jerry Hurst did me a good favor and helped make a nice road and I'm asking for the approval to get this is just the approval and then the businesses that apply for a business license still have to be approved based on the traffic count they're going to bring. So, I'm asking for step one. I don't think they

have to be approved because it falls into general plan and it falls into most of them are going to be conditional use permits. No, not according to the reszone you're asking for. Uh, well, that was my understanding, so maybe I'm corrected. Um, where you're asking for the reszone from the MU40 to the what is the MD? MD. Yeah. Yeah. No, that those are already said established. They're in our zoning. So that is not well my my plea is I'm trying to bring small businesses to Twilla County to create jobs which we need. 75% of the labor force here goes to Salt Lake. I'm bringing Salt Lake businesses to Twilla, enticing them to sell their real estate there where it's very expensive. Move here where it's affordable. I'm trying to bring jobs. And we're Aren't we all trying to get other people like me to bring more jobs? You're right. However, we got we got to work with this. No, you're right. But I just one clarification. You mentioned one that you would be enticing out is um the big warehouses for storage that doesn't employ. Well, then they don't work. Then they don't work. You know what? But I'm That's just a clarification. That's my observation. Those particular businesses are probably going to go to the port. That's what they're after. So I'm after small businesses. The port doesn't accommodate one small business. They're not a small business. It's MG. It's MG. I'm manu. So, we need this mix of manufacturing, light manufacturing, distribution next to their massive heavy manufacturing. Where are all the the small businesses going to go? That's my product. And I'm working with these small business owners. And if we say no to this, who else is going to do this? You know, we're trying to get

some businesses here to help develop the area. Chair, we can place zoning conditions. Maybe this is something that Tish, the applicant, can work on as to what would be acceptable uses based off of our table of uses and then come back and place those specific zoning conditions. Would that be a CUP that would need to come before us? or would they in the zoning conditions that would allow Trish or staff to approve that? So, if the zoning if you recommend zoning conditions that only specific uses can be placed on this property, then that recommendation will go to the council. And if the council adopts the reszone ordinance with those zoning conditions, then those are the only uses that can go on this property. So he and Trish could work together with what table of uses are allowed in the requested zoning district and we could possibly place that where the stating you know the the business doesn't work it doesn't work maybe we specifically state what will okay I like that suggestion Chris no sorry yeah I was just going to say like we're not opposed to the manufacturing zone it's just the infrastructure that's currently existing ing. So from my planning perspective, I think that infrastructure needs to be put in place before we can consider anything else moving forward. And then once that's put in place, then we don't have to put any restrictions on them. They can come in and do what they feel is necessary for that development in that area. So they're not having to pick and choose and then and then it's just open for anybody. So that's just that was all my recommendation is that we wait until that infrastructure can come in which which for my that's almost impossible. Say let's redo this entire

road and then cross our fingers we might have the zoning. No one's going to do that. This is we're supposed to be working together in developing the area. No one's going to pave a big road and then and and even fix it and make the county road improvements in hopes of this being approved. We're trying to find I know we can work together to find businesses that are acceptable with the traffic studies and then everybody's happy. Is there a way to do an approval with that condition to where it's approved with that so that you have that protection? Is that even a possibility? What was your comment? it's possible to do an approval with that condition so that nothing could go forward until that infrastructure was met that would well right now right now the existing road the existing infrastructure will handle quite a bit more and then at one point it's not pretty soon there's hey it's more than 400 trucks a day it's more than 3,000 cars a day then we all then every one of us is going to say let's work together to fix because it's not going to work for the businesses. But it's kind of like we got to do some infrastructure to bring the businesses and we got to bring the businesses to pay for the infrastructure and both take a little bit of educated risk. And I have a proven track record. I've already developed the area responsibly. I'm not, this isn't a crapshoot. I did the cannabis operation. I ran a business for 20 years out there. I did Utah Track and Welding. I'm cleaning up a landfill is basically what it was and turn it into a nice property with a good product that complements the inland port. So, I'm not some new developer that's just going to take a gamble. I'm I'm doing responsible product that the that the county needs for these small businesses and jobs. And I spent a lot of time and money cleaning it up and doing everything you could to a property so that we could have a good product.

Sorry, I just wanted to clarify what the conditions you guys can put on a reszone. So, it's uses, dwelling unit density, building square footage, or height of the structures. Those are the ones you can play. Nothing for the right. So, um Okay. Thank you for your comments, Mr. Jury. Uh commissioners, what's your thoughts, comments? I still have uh I still have one I wanted to ask. Um what's your question? My question is um since there's only one access point um I don't know how far it is from the be from the entry point to the furthest point in but my concern is for both potential fires and potential um that might have been answered in our packet. I didn't see it. Sorry. The North Fire Marshall approved the property. That's okay. But if there was a medical emergency okay again EMS. All right. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. We had a fire one time shooting as a commission. Commissioner Dow, did you have a comment? I do. Thank you. Um, I just a question for staff for Trish. Sorry, Trish. I hate You're good. I'm like 5t away. It's fine. Y Okay. So, um, how much of Lane is private room? Um, I don't know off the top of my head. The majority of it is. There's only like maybe a small section and I don't remember where exactly that's at. And then um we'll see is to like where Utah track and then just past Utah track and wealthy. Um I know that the the properties that he had developed before just south of that are now because we made him do that. But I I think there was another small section that I just can't remember exactly where it was at, but it's not all the way. It's like here and there

and there. It's like not all the way through. So yeah, we have to be careful of that. So my question would be the concern is if we bring in all these businesses, if we do approve this and we bring in all these businesses, who's responsible for maintaining this? Yeah. So, it's it's a lot of it's county because we have it's like a prescriptive use pretty much. Um, but we've been maintaining it and managing it for so long already. So, the county does come in and manage whatever is there, but they're not responsible for putting further infrastructure in. Okay. Thank you for answering that. My uh another question I have is you stated that the not want this road to be used by the commercial properties. We put a condition on the port project area that they could not use Higgley Road any portion of Higgley. Yeah. So, actually Higgley Road ends right Higgley Road ends right where those um house those little houses are. I don't know if you can see purple right in those little houses right off there. It ends right there. So there's really not any road access past that. Um but if they yeah if anybody wants to come in and access or or subdivide or anything like that's where we would require those road infrastructures to come in that and that would be on the developer. Gotcha. Okay. Thank you. Thanks. Any other questions or comments? So, is

there anyone that feels like they're prepared to make a motion one way or the other recommendation? We do have some great suggestions from Michelle on having the applicant work with staff on coming up with some reasonzoning conditions and some or not conditions but some businesses that would be acceptable in this area that wouldn't dry in, you know, a lot of traffic. It is the what? The road's probably a mile long. Maybe not that long, give or take. I agree with that. I'd like to see them work with staff until we can get the a favorable recommendation from staff for use. What's that? One mile. One mile. It's currently 30 ft wide and our minimum road with requirements. Yeah. Again, working in the industry, I do have seen two semis pass on that road. Get Harry. The industrial commercial road is wider actually. That's why I said our minimum for residential. Okay. So, that's something we could table and

have them work together to come up with some industries that fit in with the demographics given infrastructure resolutions. Yes. I move that we table. Do you have comment? Uh I make a motion we table reszone 2025-035 and have the applicant get with staff and come up with um some low impact is that a good word businesses use uses. Uh, low impact uses. Acceptable uses. Acceptable uses. Thank you, attorney. That's why you're here. Acceptable uses um for this area and a plan for infrastructure that meets those uses. Um, and I tape on that motion until the June. Would that give you enough time? June business meeting two months in interest of the spring. Can we do it to just a meeting at the Oh, yeah. We can do it until two weeks. You bet. Um I have a motion to table this. Yeah. Just keep in mind we don't have a planning commission meeting the that first. So we have to come up with that's our next item. Yeah. come up with till our May business meeting. Okay. Our planning commission meeting. I have a motion to table. Can I have a second? So move. Oh, we got two of us. I have a motion um by Commissioner Scott to table this to our May business meeting at such a time that the applicant can get with staff and

come up with what did you say? Acceptable acceptable uses and a a plan for infrastructure. Um I made that motion and it was seconded by Commissioner Dao I believe. Uh Commissioner Stats, how do you vote? Yes. Commissioner Bartholomew, how do you vote? Yes. Commissioner Alder, how do you vote? Yes. Commissioner Backstrom, how do you vote? Yes. Commissioner Dao, how do you vote? Yes. And I am Commissioner Scott and I vote yes. Thank you. So we will move that to our next business meeting which I don't know if it's on the agenda but we need to we need to figure out staff has um another training that first week. Um normally our option we usually you know we don't want to get later in the month because it is graduation it is the end of school such so that would leave the 14th or the 21st of May or the 28th you can do the 2 that's graduation that is graduation it's 20th through the 22nd graduation oh okay so you probably don't want for the Twilla County school district. Okay. So, yeah. Yeah, it So, the 14th or the 28th? 28th's bad. That's Memorial Day week. I know people take off. So, how's everyone look on the 14th? Looks good to me. It's fine. Okay. Can we have that scheduled out for the 14th? Yeah. Okay. Um, thank you. Uh, thank you for your time.

I adjourn the meeting any and it says planning commission comments after is that right? Yes wants to discuss or want staff to look at. Oh, so that would be like your green space question for No, no, that's where that would come in. It doesn't add 10 pounds to me, Mike. I I do have I took notes on my training, Tanya. Uh, do we have um do we have an abandonment ordinance on CUS? Thank you. Thank you. Do we have an abandonment ornament? Orendments? A what? Abandonment. Abandonment. Thank you. Or I see you peace. Uh the state does. The state does and we Is that what you said? Okay. And a planning or a public meeting versus a public hearing? What's the difference? And when when's when are they when should one be used versus the other? Yeah. Do you want me? You got it. A meeting versus a hearing. So, a hearing would be like the first time you you hear something for like the reason for this. Um, and if it comes back, you don't have to open another public hearing. It just has to be a public hearing. So, I don't have to do another public hearing because I tabled it. That

was smart. So, you cuz you closed the public hearing for that. Um yeah, you don't have to hold another public hearing so the public doesn't have to come up and speak or or something like that, but it does have to be in a public meeting format so that anybody can access it. And most the first meeting is a public hearing. So that's why you guys have subsequent meetings such as the council meeting is just a public meeting. Okay. There's different notice requirements for a public hearing versus a voting. Oh, so I know public hearing we have to post a you usually send it out to a postcard to neighbors so many days in advance for a meeting. So like next time this will be a meeting on this issue. You don't have to do that. No, it's a 24hour notice online. Agenda online. Perfect. So, our public hearing is a conditional use permit. Anything that requires an ordinance or a recommendation to the legislative body such as a resone, general plan amendment, zoning text amendment, and did I say conditional uses or subdivision? Anyway, conditional use of subdivisions and anything that requires a legislative action. Okay. Those are all public hearing items. Perfect. That answered my questions. Till the next time I watch it, I just put it on at work cuz my job's boring and this isn't his. What's that? It's so dry though.