Town Council - Regular Meeting

Here we go. It just wanted you to do it. Okay. I would like to call the May 2025 meeting of the Edgewood Town Council to order. We would all please stand for the pledge right behind you. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Okay, if we would all pause for a minute and just um acknowledge the fact that we have sunshine and warm weather and we are very blessed. That's all I've got. Please have a seat. Roll call. Miss Tanner when I call your name [Music] here the record show members. Thank you. Chief Vanderberg up here. Okay, please. It's a test. It's a test. You don't need a microphone. I don't. Okay. No. Um of April, we had 46 EMS calls which we transported 12 of those. We had 24 fire calls. Of course, remember the storms in April. Uh like 12 of those were like poles down and lines down. We had one elevator rescue during that time period out at Southdale towers. We don't have any elevators. Yeah, we don't have any elevators, but we we all cover air. So, come on. Things go crazy. So, you know, you don't never know what you're going to get. Um, one thing, we

did receive a grant with Grain Bin Rescue. Uh, it's going to be in July, the training is, and they're going to come down and sent all the equipment to us, showing how to use it. And so, uh, we'll just be doing some confined space. Don, you guys do confined space? I'm trained. I mean, as a trainer? No, not as a trainer. Okay. I know quite a bit about it, but I'm not a trainer. I used to be too a long time ago. So, yeah. And uh next thing uh Jackson Township trustees have donated $1,000 to us for baby box. They did that last year and this is the second year in a row. So we have that now. And May 28th we will be presenting $1,000 check to burn camp as a result of the motorcycle. Anything else? No questions. Okay. Thank you. Dale, real quick. Um, the the grant that you said was for grain rain. Say that fast three times. Okay. Thank you. Randy, are you giving our report? Okay. So, if you weren't clear what we're doing up there, the stream wasn't quite working for us, but we are live now on the internet. So, put in your happy faces and talk to um for the month of April, we had 121 calls for service and 54 traffic stops separate from those 121

calls. And in those traffic stops, we had 15 arrest and citations. Um, with the drug takeback that we had the end of the month, we took in about 30 pounds of drugs. I had a full 16 by 16 by 16 box and probably that much of another box. So, we had a good turnout. I'm pleased with it. Um, trying to think what else it's got. National Night Out's coming up on Tuesday, August 5th. We're starting to get stuff lined up for that. I'm hoping to I got some ideas the day of National Night Out last year, so it's a little too late to act on, but you wrote them down. Oh, okay. Well, it was coming up with with a bike because I heard I heard an advertisement for Yorktown. They were doing a bike and I might be a good idea. Yeah. Um, we have gotten um we have not received them yet, but we've gotten 175 bicycle or bicycle helmets from the Indiana Department of Transportation. So, we'll be handing those out that night and we can hand them out any time of the year, too. It's whenever they deliver them. I'm not sure when those are coming. Are these adult kids? Everything. Okay. Any age, any size. Um, I think that's about it for us. We don't have much more going to honor. Okay. What date is the helmet giveaway? Uh, it'll be on the National Night Out, which is Tuesday, August 5th. Okay. Thank you. But if we're if we're driving around and we see a kid without a helmet, we can always stop and give him a helmet that time, too. 175 of them. So, that's if you see me with that one on till you stop. Absolutely. Okay. Let me know when you're riding around. I'll sure have a question. I just observed a golf cart going through Edgewood yesterday with three kids standing on the back on a rack, you know, which I thought was

prohibited. It is. And if we see it, we'll stop and talk to them. Just thought we'll let you know about that. May they may not be edit, too. Yeah. So, with with only one of us on a duty at a time, we may see him, we may not see him. depends what we're doing at the moment. The ordinance will still apply. I mean, anybody you can see that you call dispatch and have them send us out immediately to don't call our office number. Make sure you call dispatch and get it out to us immediately so we can check it out. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Ferguson. Okay, I'll try to make this brief. I got a few things. Um, everything that we've talked about before with uh my lead service project is moving along. It's just going along at a very a lot slower pace than I would like. Um, we are still getting uh financing money. Um, I said the last time I actually spoke about the actual money, it was like $60,000. engineer told me 187. Now, um, don't get too excited because if it's not all grant money, that means we have to pay it back and that will be a conflict in trying to get SRF money or state revolving fund money for the water tower. So, uh, I'll have to find out exactly what that is, how much that is. We and, uh, may have to do some finagling. If it is all grant money, then I'm g I'll jump as high as I can and skip wherever I go because that that will help us tremendously well. Then I can replace almost all the fire hydrants and all of

that. That would be absolutely tremendous. Um water filter at the plant is still down. Uh the work on that is going slow but we are still up and running going fine. everything that they are doing is moving along really well. It's just at a slower pace than I would like. Um, next thing is is I was awarded a summer help person. I have hired a young man. He is 19 years old. He will be going to college here in the fall. Um, he is actually my son's best friend. He just got out of the National Guard. So, he is a veteran. In June, he goes for two weeks for his guard duty. But his plans once he graduates college, he wants to be a therapist for veterans. So, his both of his parents are vet or not veterans, but they're both therapists, but he wants to be a therapist for veterans. So, it's a good young man. He's this is his second week. So, I'm training him to mow and it there's a learning curve. So, uh what he mowed last week at the police department, we we we've cleaned it up quite a bit today. So, uh he's never really done that kind of work, but he's learning. He's learned it. He's learned. Yeah. Um and his name is his name is Coulson F. So anyway, um the other thing I need to uh address is is how is everybody's meter reading? Are you reading yours yet? Today after we talked, it just suddenly started producing. Yes, it seems to be fine. Great. And everybody's tracking their stuff. No problems. I kind of liked it actually. Okay. Um, I was uh told again uh by Wendy at the office

that we still have 25 out there that aren't reading that need to be changed. All the meters in the system are over 10 years by regulatory stats. After a meter is 10 years, it has to be replaced. So, what I'm asking is is if do you guys and maybe we table this till next month if you'd like, but we kind of need like to know whether we want to start ordering these style meters or we stay with the ones that we have. Keep in mind these are let's move forward. Okay, just just to clarify, they are more expensive and we do pay a $1 a month charge per meter for that to go into the cloud with all the goodies that it comes with. So, so as a homeowner, am I paying that dollar or is town paying it? Right now, the town's pay. Okay. Because I like it. Yeah, I do too. and and if you'd have a leaf, you know, it it will it will they will absolutely do. Now, also keep in mind when we move to these types of meters, um yes, there is you as a homeowner, they can download the app, but if they choose not to, then the that leak alert and all the goodies that go with it, that that homeowner, they they either choose to use it or they choose not to. just, you know, not trying to be a killjoy on anything, but just giving you all the information that comes with that. We can just Yeah. So, just out of curiosity for Yeah. the residents that are here, are you familiar with what he's referring to? Okay. Okay. Well, I knew you guys had been here. So, for you, we badger meter is which is the type of meter that we use here in in Edgewood. Um, they have now what's called a cellularbased meter where you can

download an app to your phone and you can track the usage on your phone. It will give you year, month, day, hour. It will it actually has a bit of AI programmed into it. It will actually start noticing when you're shower notice when your uh your soft regenerate, things like that. So, it will it will start to recognize those for your actual homes for the individual meters, but then when you actually are using water that you're not supposed to be using, it will let you know that there's a potential leak. And you're installing these in um I have only installed 12 and we use the the council as guinea pigs and we use one here and then we use there's one at Catherine's and then there's one at the utility office as well. So, all the the council members all have that on their phone and and Katherine has one on her phone and um that would be available to everybody in Edward if they so choose to move forward with Okay. So, if the homeowner chose not to download it, are they just will they still be paying a dollar once we do everyone's I think so because well I mean we as of right now we are pay right would we continue to pay that dollar well um here's some of another bit of unfortunate news is a rate increase from the water department now this will only affect the build of the potential water tower. So, it's going to be a while, but if they come in and the state revolving fund looks at us and they they they're going, you know, you figure that project's going to be at least a million dollars. We already know that that's

going to be a very expensive project. They are going to want to say we need more from the town of Edgewood. So maybe they say, "Well, we want to see $200,000 and then we'll give you $800,000, but we need to see a more of an increase." That that is a possibility, but that's that's time away from right now. That's not anything that we even should I mean, I'm bringing it up, but that's not even thing that I think that we will even consider until maybe this time next year. How many homes do we have? About a thousand. uh 919 by the last count. So, but so then if um we are replacing a meter, would it could it be a situation where we give the individual homeowner a choice where if they want to try the if they want to stick with conventional, they can stick with conventional because they're not going to use the app. Then we don't have to pay the extra every month. I know it's just a dollar, but a dollar is a dollar. And if they want to use the one with the app, we have that option also. Or is this something where we have to purchase them ahead of time and have an idea to stick with just one model? No, we could do that, but it it it very well may be confusing for uh Wendy. She's the one that does everything. Um with the cellularbased meters, we do not have to like right now Carl and I or Carl will run a route to read the meters because we have the driveby system. So we would still have to go out once a month and do that for those that chose not to. Now with the software that we do have, it runs both. So that was the good thing about upgrading to the to the meters is is that Edward long before I even got here already upgraded all of the software. So these were the the cellular based meters are just plugandplay.

But there there could be that option if you if you wanted that option. It just can be a bit more confusing. We're buying we would be buying two separate types of meters uh registers. Now the base of the meter itself will be the exact same just the actual heads of meters what you actually read those those will be different. So basically it's the confusion part would be the difference and then um having to run the route. So we're either paying a dollar for each meter so that they're read on the computer or we're paying somebody else to drive the route and pick up the data. You Yeah. Well, I mean that'd be the difference. Yeah. You know, I it's possible. I wish I could I wish I could tell you it's not just because I I want the cellular base meters, but I gotta be honest and I say I think that's possible. If we decide as a council that we want to go with the cellular base, what what time frame would you want to start? Well, I have 25 that that are that are just being uh estimated right now. So, I mean, I could get them in as early as two weeks and I could start replacing those that need to be replaced. Um, matter of fact, I know I have an inch and a half meter that at the large church just down the road here, but I have to I've been waiting to on that one to replace to know which one to put in there. So, anybody have any feeling about that? Like I said, I just bring it up now. I mean, if you guys would like to just move forward with the solar based meters tonight, that'd be fine. If you guys want to wait another month, that's fine, too. But we are uh we do not we only have maybe four um actual new meters in stock at the

moment. So, we have ones that we're using now for emergency uses, but I do need to order some. And I mean, we are okay for another month. I don't want I don't want I don't want to rush the council into a decision, but we've had ours for a couple months now. Yeah. I make a motion that we move forward. Is there a second? I'll second. Moved and seconded. All in favor? I opposed. There you go. I I think the only the only outstanding issue and I wouldn't want to address that tonight is who eats that dollar. Yeah. Okay. I know. I just at the moment are it's a dollar. But that dollar is 9. No, no, I know for the Yeah, that's I'm saying as a homeowner I would pay it. Yeah. 12 year. Pardon? 12 bucks a year. Yeah, it's $12 a year. I on water. I on water. E on O. That way people would be able to find out if they had a leak because I can look how many gallons. They can actually send you push notifications for that stuff too. You know, the leak detection I think is such a gives you a breakdown what you use daily and monthly a month or two ago. It's going to tell you it's cool for a dollar a day or a dollar a month. Unoccupied house had a leak. She didn't know about it. Now she has a $1,500 water bill. So I that reason

alone it's a good deal. Maybe I missed this, but if if for those of us who have the cellular meter, would that uh would that information just flow directly to Wendy at town hall alleviating the need to drive? Yes, it does. See, before yours actually starts working, um it from Badger Meter can see your meter. We we all could Wendy could see it reading. She could see it changing. You just weren't for some reason it just wasn't downloading on the phone. Yeah. But yes, I mean, you know, being cellular just go up, down, it's done. Um, like I said, all the information that's collected off of all of those meters go on the cloud and that is our information forever. So, that will all that information will belong to the homeowner and the town of Edgewood for never never just hold it. If there are no more questions about anything else, I'm going to sit down. I've been up here. Thank you. Okay. On to member reports. Mr. Reed, anything? Um, I don't have anything to add to the police. Okay. Nothing. Nothing. Arthur Dale, how did um how' the um CPR training go? We had I forgot about that. We had eight people show up. They're very attentive. They enjoy the class. Anyone that had signed up prior to that got a certificate with their name on it that they completed this course. Uh what did you think about it? I thought it was very very beneficial. um especially because of the updates that they were talking about um talking about in regards to the uh chest

compressions and so that was beneficial and if anybody hasn't had any experience with it, it was very beneficial and even some dumb layman like me can figure out where the AED is now. So it's the one that says AD a is that something that um perhaps maybe you look to do it maybe next quarter or semiannual. All right. Thank you. That's all I have. Okay. Uh, no report for departments. Okay. No report. No report. Okay. Mr. Austin. Um, I think the only thing I I did see the information being circulated uh about regulated vehicle park restrictions look at that I think would be considered under that would be probably um we did talk about the lot at the corner of Maple and Orchard at last meeting and I think that would be considered under under old business. So we need to kind of decide how we're going to approach that and and Steve is here to talk about that. So I both those want to address both those items as we move forward. Okay. Thank you Mr. Surveys. I don't have anything other than what we need to talk about or Okay. Okay. Miss Tanner, one thing I have is if you notice the Dropbox is gone out here. We have the new one installed down by the utility office. And so that's going to go in the newsletter. If anyone has anything you'd like to put in the newsletter, please

let me know this week possibly. And I'll dig with Mr. surveys regarding somehow fixing the drainage down down at the utility office because it kind of pawns up one quite quite so we're going to try to come up with a solution. Okay, that's all I have. Have you discussed resurfacing the the parking lot down there? Yeah, but we need we talked about a couple years ago. And that's kind of why we waited because we weren't sure where the drop off was going to go. Now it's there. Mr. Engineer. No, I asked him. He had nothing. I didn't hear that. Where are you? Okay. On to old business, Mr. Johnson, do you want to start that out? Yeah. Yeah. So, did everybody see the aerial map? It was circulated about Maple Orchard. So, we've talked about this. So, so Steve has identified an area uh that's 30 feet by 150 ft uh that would be surplus property as far as the town's concerned. Yes, sir. And uh so I think that's what we would be considering uh just uh really retitling in the homeowner's name. So Steve, the question I have um so the balance of that lot is owned by the adjacent homeowner. Is

that correct? Yes. They own they own half of lot six. Uh the north half, they own the south half of lot six. North half of lot six was replanted uh in the whatever the subdivision was the first continuation. For whatever reason, the town made the rightway justly wide. Then it stopped didn't go anywhere else. Uh and that originally was part of that lot. It's really surplus to what the town would ever need. So, I wouldn't see any reason why we couldn't just vacate it and then it would go to that property owner because they are the adjacent property owner. Yeah. But that is owned by the town. Is that correct? Yes, it is. Yes. It's it's right away. Yeah. And there's a I think we referred to this last meeting uh that but but there's a procedure where you can advertise this as surplus property and uh and see what kind of interest you get for the idea that really the only the only person who'd be interested would be the adjoining neighbor and you don't have to go through an appraisal process if the assessed value is less than $10,000. Uh but there does have to be an ad placed in the newspaper. Uh there would have would have to be notices provided to uh any abuing property. So I think that would be the person to the east. I think probably nobody in their side of worship lane but it probably best just to have more notices than we even would be required because everybody knows what's going on on that. But if if we want to proceed with that, I think that's a great idea. It just, you know, reduces the an area the town would otherwise have to

maintain. It also would help the homeowner who I understand is is there property anyway. Additional landscaping recently. Yeah. So it seems to me we are just proceeding with the notices and then we'd be ready to act on this uh okay that sounds like a plan Steve thank you good yeah good work and this gets confusing when you when you do a plat what happens is you take private land and then you're once the plat is accepted by the municipality then what you carve out as as public library, you know, streets and things that becomes owned then by the town or by the municipality and that's what we've done here. So, we're just un basically reversing the process is what we do. Let's reverse it. Okay. I don't know. Do we need a motion on that, Mike? No, we don't other than if the consensus is to proceed then yes, we can we'll have a motion at the next meeting to go ahead and trans. Okay. Okay. Any other old business? Anyone? Okay. How about new business? Start with Yeah. Um there was a question about the regulated vehicle parking restrictions. It was something that we'd addressed at the um ordinance meeting when we uh were rewriting a lot of the ordinances. Brian

was there. Remember we talked about we talked about that the last time. And as we look through our ordinances as they've been written, one of the changes that we made wasn't in there. So right now, I'm going to make a proposal that we make that change so that it reads as we intended it to read uh when we approved everything. And it's under u article 71.21 regulated vehicle parking restrictions. and it is in uh part C and part C talks about in the event there's a need to park in a sideyard or backyard presently it reads the regulated vehicle should be parked on a hard surface such as pavement concrete or gravel and the proposed change would be so that part C of 7121 reads in the event there's a need to park in a sideyard or backyard the regulated vehicle shall be parked on asphalt pavement or concrete Um, that was something that we discussed and we agreed that's what we wanted to do. Well, kind of playing devil's advocate a little bit, I got a call from a homeowner in South Ed just a couple of weeks ago asking uh expressing to me that he wanted to widen his driveway to park a recreational vehicle. And uh I told him because I thought this had already been passed and was in the ordinance and said, "What kind of driveway do you have?" Said, "Asphalt." He wanted to put down fresh stone. I said, "No, it's going to have to be asphalt." Didn't argue with me, but said, "Okay, thank you." But I could see somebody looking at this addition to the ordinance saying, "Well, my driveways in my front yard, so if I'm going to put it, you know, this says backyard or sideway,

I think I can go ahead and put gravel pressure." So, and that's what we ran into last time was we had a gentleman that extended his driveway to encompass his entire sideyard to the property line. So therefore then it was no longer a sideyard, it's a driveway. And I think that's what we need to visit is we need we also need to regulate the driveway. If you're going to add onto your driveway, it needs to be the same material as the existing drive. I think that was the council's intent. That was the intent. And I will tell you that since I got that email from you, I did some research and looked at other different municipalities and I think based on the way our ordinances are written, the one thing we don't have is a definition of what a driveway is. So if we get a definition of our driveway and specify that it's concrete or asphalt only, that that should cover that. So in relation to the regulated vehicle parking restriction is here. that would take care of the sideyard or the backyard and then put a definition. Basically, we have to change two ordinances is what I'm saying. Okay. I'm confused. Okay. So, let's go. Okay. So, let's go back. Yes. A definition of a driveway. You just said what? We don't have one in our current, right? And then you said it needs to be asphalt or concrete. Well, that's what we talked about. That's what we're talking about. It had to be the same material. We we would change it so it would say that it's the same material as what's present. Okay. Because we have some driveways that are gravel in this town and we can't write an ordinance for them to change. It stays the way it is. Grandfather change it. Yeah. And and I also know of some individuals who have recreation vehicles parked on their side. That's crushed stone. And that would have to be grandfathered also

because it was before we changed our bylaw or our ordinances. I'm sorry. That's my understanding. Yeah, that would be correct. You can't you can't create something that it would have to be prospective forward. So then bars, would you think that we'd need to uh put something in the ordinances talking about uh start date or this is going forward from here or anything that was prior to this ordinance being approved is I would say something like that. To be safe, I think you put an asterk in the ordinance that said, you know, any any prior to this date is grandfathered. And that's probably not necessary, but probably hopeful because then anybody reads it would know that know what Yeah. I mean, I I would like for people that are going to be sitting up here when we're no longer here to be able to look at something. This is a lifetime. No, it isn't. Um because sooner or later, Brian's going to be up here. Um because I don't want people to try to guess what we intended. that way. One of the other part is the education of people that are just going to go do it. Yeah. On their own without getting permitting getting permits from the town for modification. So, there's another part of the ordinance that we're going to want to look at is do we want to require permits for modifying your yard in that manner? Seems you're talking about driveways. The new Miles house that was sold, Joel Smith bought that. Matter of fact, I got a uh locate on that he is going to either pave or concrete that drive. So we did that locate this morning. I know we talked earlier when they were looking

at selling the colony property back moving forward with new homes being built and we're looking at making sure that those driveways were paid concrete in. I thought maybe this might have a little bit of bearing on the conversation that you're having. But just to let you know that one was put in grab is what he is having it either concreted or question. So already next up here you're sit closer D. [Music] So if someone has a gravel driveway or gravel next to their driveway and you can't do anything about it because it's been a grandfather. So what I have a I have a gravel next to my next my driveway. What if I put more gravel down and make it bigger or extend it or you know you're not addressing that. I would I would if they change that if they change that existing that your grandfather then change it has it should have to come to the new I I would I would argue any modifications would have to be brought up to date yep which that point I think we needed in the ordinance that you need a permit to modify your driveway which starts with defining what the driveway Correct. Yeah. Because I think at last count I had um and that was a few years back we were over 50 additions to driveway driveways with gravel. Okay. Somewhat of a related issue. Yeah. So

we're saying if you want to park basically it's an would be an RV is what what you're seeing for people running and you know a lot of a lot of them are very nice but some RVs are enormous correct and you know I don't know if at some point we would want to look and say okay you know there are maximums or there's a weight that these you know some some way we're going to We need to look at where our water line's running if we're going to park that. We do a commercial vehicle like you had a work truck that that we've got that but not not and that may may get into a can of worms. So you don't want to even get into Yeah. When you're talking about the size, we do have if you look at the paper there, the regular regulated vehicle can be parked no closer than 25 foot in the center of the street, right? And and we also we also need to be mindful of the fact that we're attracting younger families and those younger families are bringing their toys. Yeah. So, when we're talking about the driveway and identifying the driveway and coming up with an ordinance in regards to permits or the construction of the driveway, do we want to send that back to the ordinance committee to write that together? And might I also add while we're doing that, we can write something about the fencing in the town also because those were two things that I thought we'd addressed. I thought we didn't they didn't get in there. So, if we just go ahead and address those two issues, we can have a meeting and get

that hammered out. Okay. Okay. Two locates today. Oh, we got a lot of those. Yeah. So, we need to get that up right away. Okay. Okay. The chair of the ordinance. I know. and I will send you a notice. Okay. Okay. Okie dokie. Anything else on that or are we are we done with that one? I think so. Do we want to do anything about the proposed change to 7121 or do we want to uh address it all at once? I think we need to address it all at once till it's all changed and Okay. So we'll point table that to to the other changes that the committee appro uh approves or suggests suggests. Okay. Okay. Okay. So, do you have a Of course. Of course you do. You know me. I got to talk all day. Um Katherine, we've been working on the website, haven't we? Katherine got with me last meeting and said, "Let's work on the website." I told her I'd report out on it today. Um, our old website that said under construction is no longer under construction. Um, it may not be perfectly up to date, but a lot of the information has changed on it. Uh, I showed Randy the other day I took away all the officers that don't work for us anymore, so they're not on here. Good idea. And then I'm getting with him. We're gonna try and update that. You're on here. We do have a new website that's coming online through Indiana.gov. uh we've been in contact with them. Uh we should have the new website started on June 18th and based on the dates they

gave us by July 3rd it'll be back to us. Okay. Um we're going to make some changes on it, update it. It'll be spanking bread new. Uh I'd also talked to Dale about correcting some of the information. Kath, what I'm doing right now is going in and trying to update as much information on the old website because what they'll do is they'll take whatever information we have there that we want, pull it over to the new site in the new format. It'll be bigger, better, faster, quicker. Uh, but there will also be a link to the old website that when you click on that, it'll redirect you to the new website. Okay. Um, I'm working on information for email addresses. One of the things they told us is that we will have to get uh identifying email server. So, we're talking about that. We'll have more information on that soon. Um, I think that's all I got on it right now. So, the company that's doing the website that's going to host it doesn't have email. They have email. They don't have email. They have the ability to use your email service provider, which is the same thing that we're doing with the other site, but we just didn't know that. I'm learning learning every day. There's an email service provider. They'll give us DNS numbers that we can identify. Licenses will identify and then the email will say uh re picket town of edgewood.gov. and a.gov something like that. Okay. But we're trying to work that out. So, is this going to be with on Outlook two dots? Uh, we're It's probably It's I don't know yet. Okay. We're working on that. If I had more answers, I'd give them, but what what's the site say? Under construction. Rob, did you did I understand that it'll

be up and running by July? Yes. Okay. Uh July 24th supposedly at the latest. I anticipate it'll be sooner than that because we're working out all the kinks right now and I'm a little anal about that stuff. So, it'll have the kinks worked out in no time. So, um to the members of the to the members of the council, um I don't know how you guys feel about this, but I'm the one that asked the question pertaining to email addresses. I'm very uncomfortable having my town business going to my personal email because if we get subpoenaed, they now have control of my personal email account and I I'm not comfortable with that. Correct. We we should have uh answered probably before the next meeting and have something up and running is the plan. We could also title them with or label the email accounts as titles instead of people because then when people change the title stays. Good idea. administrator can change passwords and that way you can just address it to what? Council council at large number three or whatever whatever your position is. Yeah, you could do an estimation work better. That would work better. And that way we don't have to change email addresses 400 times when I like that. It's a little better. Yeah. Yeah. take my name off of it. Okay, that's all I've got on that. Thank you, Rob. You just put John. Well, okay. We said on that more. Okay. I have some little new business. I

know probably people would like an update on what's going on at um Edgewood Golf Dining and Events. And we're in full swing, aren't we? Oh, yeah. Uh, and that was a little const. And I don't golf, so try the deal. Be your um, we have a lot of fun stuff planned for the pool this year. Um, memberships are a little bit more expensive, but not much. $400 for a family membership. And I will there is a a discount for employees of the town. Um, the dining area is going really well. We just put out a new menu. People are excited. They're coming in and and trying it. Golf is going crazy. Yeah. Yeah, golf is good. Um, and events are are starting to pick up. We've got weddings and all kinds of graduations and showers and all kinds of stuff planned for this summer. So, uh, anybody have any particular questions? When is the pool going to be open? I wish you would ask that question. Uh, it's supposed to be this coming weekend. Okay. Because I I know of at least one event that's scheduled for June 6th with the pool. With the pool. Really? Okay. Um, that is our anticipated opening. There's As always, surprises with the pool. It's as old as Kurt and I. So, it's gonna Yeah, we're working on it. Hopefully. Well, I'll be functioning. So, dining. I wasn't finished. Well, you asked it. Oh, yeah. I did. Question. Go ahead. So,

it Well, I want I'd like to know where we're at financially with with dining. Are we breaking even um as in golf dining? a month ago. May I finish my statement? I was going to say as in golf. Golf is doing well. The dining is doing well. We don't have I mean we have a lot of business and is it equal? It's getting there. When are we going to be able to see some numbers? Um you can come to my office and I will show you the numbers or you can talk to the accountant. No, I don't want to talk to accountant. I I just think as a council we should at some we should know what the numbers are. Sure. Okay. That might be somebody we invite in at least quarterly. Okay. That's how it report. Okay. I agree that's quarterly important. That's probably want that reported. Okay. I mean I could tell you right off the top of my head what we uh what we took in last year. Oh no. I mean you want to know that I don't have a break. I just think everybody would running this. I think people want to know. Sure. And that's and that they have that. My question is can the dining room stand alone or does it have to be supported by the by the golf course? You know, that's a very good question and truthfully, if you looked at the breakdown from last year, it's about even. So, it's my personal opinion that both should stand alone. The the golf course should not be subsidizing the restaurant and vice versa. Okay. Okay. And that doesn't I mean, it it's all fluid. It's all taking care of each other. And

when you look at the breakdown from last year, it is it's half and half. Well, then I think we should see a report. Okay. I'll have my accountant put it together and I'll bring it to the next meeting. So, uh Shane, I participated in the early discussions with our CPA who I think is very well qualified. uh and each entity of the three is tracked separately and then we have a consolidated income statement balance sheet but she does break out each one individually. So restaurants losing money but golf course is making money pool breaking even and that's not going to happen. You're going to see that the pool does not make money. Correct. And I don't think I I I don't think anybody anticipates we're going to get rich off the pool. Well, when we made the decision to take over that facility, I don't think it was a hard and fast rule that we said we give ourselves five years, but we did indicate that after a certain period of time, we wanted to revisit it to make sure we were not losing money. Well, and it's it's something we want to look at and the people want to look at and if we want to engage our constituents in this and then we can go to them and say, hey, these are the real numbers and we need to have a fundraising effort, people will get behind that. But if we just tell them, oh, we need fundraising effort and we don't have valid numbers for it, I think I people want to know where their money's going and how it's being spent. And I agree with that. Well, I I can personally tell you that golf course made money good and and and I and Edgewood Golf Course has always been a very soughtafter playing course and I think that's good and I think that can help in because I know the pool is not

making money that course and the restaurant support the pool. Yeah, it that the pool is something but if we're doing that I think there's value to the community in having the pool. That's why and that's why we subsidize the pool with the golf. And I think that's good. And I've raised this Patty, but my concern about the pool is if we're going to have the pool, it has to be maintained. There's some tile work that has to be done. I mean, we're going to be liable about for that if someone gets hurt. Sure. And that's something we need to that's part of our long-term plan is what is our plan for that pool? Are we going to maintain it? Do we look at that in another 20 years? Is is it going to be viable? Is it still going to be a community asset? And how much is it going to cost us to maintain that? Well, I I think we're I think we shouldn't be bashful to ask for what is a cost what is it going to cost us to bring that pool up to space? Absolutely. I mean, this community gets behind that. Doesn't hurt. No. Yeah. We got behind the fire department. We needed a new truck. This town voted to do a monthly fee. this town will get behind good efforts and good things that we need for our community. We just need good numbers to ask them what is this going to cost us to bring it up to speed so that it is a viable entity for the next 20 30 years. Well, I'd like to add a comment if I may and Patty if I say anything that's incorrect speak up. Uh Patty and I met with a pool a swimming pool uh company representative. U got the company name in my phone. It can't doesn't immediately come to mind, but um they're doing the they're constructing the new swimming pool at Anderson Country Club and they came highly recommended and uh clearly he knew what he was talking about and really that was one of the questions Abby posed right off the bat.

you know, he could see where the pool's leaking. He could see all this broken tile. And Mike's absolutely right. I think that's a real liability, potential injury, a hazard. Um, but you know, just and so he asked some very specific questions. Do you still want to dive in? Well, are you still going do you have a swim team? And do you want to maintain a swim team? Because probably if the answer to that was no, you'd see a pool comparable to what they're doing at Anderson with a maximum depth of five feet, you know, and so it's more recreational use, not competitive swimming. And he said, you know, no, we've had a swim team and it's very well utilized and popular, has been for years, compete with other swim clubs and country clubs. But I think the bottom line was it's going to bring if you said have our company come in and fix everything that needs to be fixing fixed it would just wouldn't make sense. It it would be more cost effective. You said the the pumping equipment, the heating, the everything associated with a modern-day uh commercial pool is so far superior. He estimated that a pool was probably built in 1948 49. But I do think we could look at from a safety perspective as Mike noted. What would it cost to replace that tile around the edge with, you know, more practical material um rather than something that's grouted in there and made of clay or ceramic. So that's just my opinion, but I do think that's a safety concern. Somebody's cut themselves, you know. So because it is in bad shape. So the

gentleman that you had there was what was the purpose of his visit? Just to No, just we asked him to come and give us an idea. But he didn't give no numbers. Yeah. Did you get some numbers? Yeah. Okay. A million dollars. Okay. Yeah. Probably a little more we want to spend right now. Yeah, but that million is to bring it up as it exists now. So with with diving, not this is well he would he would clear out everything that's broken and but we were keeping the divine. Yeah. Yeah. So that number can substantially change as we if we turn it into a family recreational pool as opposed to like a commercial a commercial. We're getting a lot of memberships from people that used to go to Anderson Country Club. I can tell you that Country Club. No. Well, no. It's like pretty good deal. $900 of membership though. So, so, no nothing. towns like Pendleton, you know, they got the very nice swimming pool complex. Was any of that funded with grant money? I mean, would we be eligible for I have no idea. Okay. I know Don Henderson. Kind of refer to as Mayor Pendleton and I, you know, he knows everything about everything Pendleton. I might just call him and probably a good idea. see what because I think I don't know that the slide's going back up this year. I think that was pretty cost inhibitive because that insurance and it the things that the things that were made in the 50s and 60s and 70s are not up to today's bubble wrap

standards. That's pretty. So we we have to have a different I mean just that just the park if you go to Falls Park that the I'll call it a foam base that they have replaced twice now. It's it's phenomenal. But there's the new standard for what goes under monkey bars. I mean you can throw a person off of a six foot ledge and they'll land on that and not get hurt. I mean that there is but it takes it's tested a lot. Yes, absolutely. But it's but that's not something you know it that's the level here of what what that playground needs versus you know it I landed in wood chips I made it but that's not what today's standard is. Yeah. It's a lot different. So yes, I think we want to look at real options and real real numbers as to what we can afford as a town because I think that pool is an asset to the families. I like it. I like having it, but I mean we have to at some point we have to ask, hey, this is what it's going to cost. Do you want do you want to pay for it or the town can't afford to keep eating it and just keep Well, but then we have to look at it from two perspectives. one, do we want to keep it as a competitive pool or do we just want to have it as a familyfriendly pool? And I and I agree with that needs that needs some evaluation. Well, obviously it it's, you know, it's too big of an obstacle to right now to talk about replacing the pool or doing all the updates, but at a bare minimum, and I'm not suggesting that we put replace every bit of a lot of that tile's in great shape, but why can't we repair what needs to be repaired? We had somebody put some of those back in. So, I think they're gonna have to all come out and all go back. Otherwise, it's not going to look right.

Do you know anybody that does t that not cool? Not for a pool, but I know some people. Anybody know anybody that does pool tile work? Have roommates come over and look at it. Uh, no. Well, yes. I've I've talked to them. They don't need that. Okay. Okay. How many just out of curiosity, how many memberships do we have right now? Just ballpark. Um, well, the ones that I've taken probably we have 25. Okay. And that's at 300. No, it's 400 family. Okay. And then it's decrease for single seniors. Patty, I made nobody to somebody, but I'll get that to you. Okay. Okay. Because I don't deal in that. Yeah. It's a different world and it's commercial. It's not Yeah. It's not somebody that's redoing your back. No. Okay. And I will have those reports for next meeting. Okay. Thank you. Okay. All righty. We're at comments and questions if you would like. Do we need Mr. Roberts? I was going to say I think I know that's that's comments and questions. Oh, if you want if you want to come up here and Mike had asked me to get some uh way Dylan and Dyl number 16 number four behind the 14 green. Um they're substantially different. Why? I don't know. I invited one of the person here with the chief of bid to explain why it would be almost half the price and more paving. I don't I'm not a paving guy. So I would try to answer questions that I could not answer. So I asked Steve I forget his last name to come and if you have any questions you can ask him. I'm not saying that Mike Mr. Reed asked for it and it took me a while to get it but I've got it and uh if you have any questions I'm sure students be happy for you Mr.

Okay. Come on. [Music] Okay. They're substantially cheaper. They just don't want the job. [Laughter] I just want to say I'm really glad this is being addressed because often number four is like a deadly roller coaster and a real liability potential liability for the town. It's great for being as a town. No, that's every time we get a downpour gravel back up town because it's town property. I you know honestly I haven't played this year but I can tell you in the past it's the number one complaint of golfers is I mean you need a home to go up 16 sometimes it's it's horrible and if we're going to have a golfer we've got to put money back into it and there's a standard that people expect to have when they come and that includes some drainage too which is going to be a huge huge factor in getting this thing right. I've been dealing with and it and we'll maintain it. Sorry. And it will help maintain it instead of washing up. Yes. And I've been dealing with this issue for 15 years and uh I'm just used to it. But to have it pay the golfers would love it. I'm not saying increase play, but it is a liability. Everything could be a liability. So I want to make them out.

I understand you don't want to do this. No, the other guy that's price is higher don't want to do it. Grand View. I didn't do them all the last time. I paid Grand View parking lot. I do all the take care of all the park has a dive walk in Greenwood which is a really really really nice golf course. Grand cart pads are really really nicely. And you got to look at some places it's 10 foot wide for car park purposes and then erosion purposes going down 16 hill. We made it 10 foot wide where it wouldn't grow. If you ever been to EL obviously I mean it's it's a better quotes. I guess question. We've been talking about golf courses making money. Dylan, do we have money available? Does the golf course have money available to pay for this? 481,000 last year. That's not including labor and merchandise and equipment. So, so what do we need a motion to do this? We we can if it's under five uh you don't need to advertise. So you would have the ability uh to go ahead. So this is the Steve this is the size. Yes. So so if the council wants to proceed with this we we have multiple quotes and it's below that 75,000 figure. So, we would have the ability by motion to go ahead and accept this if the money's available, if that's what the council

wants to do. Then I make a motion that we accept it and move forward. Well, um, okay. So, is the I want to be comfortable. I want to be comfortable that we have the money. Well, but does the golf course have the money? Does the golf course have the money? Okay. If we were to pay 65,000 right now, no, I can't put cash out there right now. It would have to be on payments. I'm just telling you, we just bought a $48,000 more. Yeah, I know. But I also know what I spent my think spent $36,000 last year. Gasoline, I think it was around 20. I don't know if our wages come out of our out of the budget out there. Does that happen? There's four people that are town employees that the town pays. You, Dylan, and your two guys. Everybody else comes out of the rest of the business. The business fund. Yeah. So, so this 65,000, where is that coming from? Is that coming from the town of Ory's down there, right? Hey, we're getting another What did you say, Chuck? Said it should come from the golf course. Okay. On the golf side. I would accept your motion, Mike, with the caveat that um that that the that the funds are are available. And I I agree. I think it should come from Doth as well. Um but I would want someone from the council to verify that those funds are there. Okay. You know, it seems to me that Miss Well, the thing is, okay, if you want the honest to goodness truth here, we bought a whole fleet of carts. We're

paying on those. We bought a new mower. We're paying on that. Okay. So, $400,000, but you got to take out all the expenses. So, I that's why I'm going to bring those the paperwork next next month. And you can see we have money But we can't just say, "Okay, let's pay $65,000 and then I can't pay anybody." Well, the reason I say the year before they brought, but it takes money to run the place, guys. What was that income? Right. I guess just a couple thoughts. I mean, I do agree that his cost center, if you will, for this should be golf course, but if we don't have a cash available to pay, could um could we do some sort of a payment plan from golf course revenue back to the town and utilize our line credit if that's still available so that we can sort do that in installments. I mean, I could make installment payments on this, but I don't think Mr. We don't do the material. Okay. Okay. Let me talk to the I'll talk to Michelle because I don't want to get us into a position where if something there's things breaking over there all the time. It's an old building. Everything's old. So, I don't want to go down to zero in our savings. No, I wouldn't. and end up having nice golf ball carts. And let's go back.

Let's go back to Mr. Farah's question. Catherine, is it possible that the town could front the 65 and then re repay the pound in payments? When would the town get reimbured? I would think probably a monthly payment from the golf course. some amortization schedule reasonable cost. I don't know. I don't want to do that. We already pay. I I think first you'd want like Kath um me. Yeah. Yeah. Patty was saying uh she needs to check the account to see what the numbers are. I think she just doesn't know what they are right now. I know what they are. Well, I know what we have what we have in savings, but I don't want to cut the savings down to nothing. Then then let's do this. Let's do this. You're bringing the report back next month. Yeah. Anyway, so as a part of that, can you bring back whether or not we could fund this? Absolutely. And then we could vote on it, right? Then yeah, right. He said this is this is going to be good. It's not this this number out of style for a month. Goes berserk or something crazy, right? Okay. And the other thing I I would add is that we don't just pay our council to prepare financial statements. We're paying her to provide advice. So my first question would be these are much needed improvements to the golf course. We don't have a lump sum of cash available. So uh but it needs to be done. What is your advice in terms of where that cash flow can come? We want to run our cash down, but I don't want I don't want the town to start being the go no no no no

no. That's not a good plan. If we get these this fixed, that's going to be it for paths for a while. Forever. Okay. I will say out front the parking lot does need a little bit of maintenance. Crack seal out here. We know that. Definitely make that last a lot longer. We know that. Yeah. Well, we we striped it last year. We knew that it was going to need some pouching, but honestly, that's the lowest thing on our thought, our radar right now. I'll um I'll withdraw my motion and I'll meet with Bill and and look at the financials from there. Let's just make a motion table. His financials won't help you. The accountants will. Okay. Make I make a motion to table so until Patty can bring us back some numbers next month. Yeah. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Mats. I appreciate the water. Okay. Any other comments, questions? Yes, you get to come up here. Excitement. 840 road. A couple of months ago across the street they had sewer problems and spent all ded out halfway more than halfway to the road and there is still an inch deep. Yeah. On Park Road. No no no long road that did the digging. Yes. The contractor that did that is responsible for doing that. Matter of fact, we drove

by there today and all we talk about. Okay. It's been more than two months. You have to drive around it. Yeah, that's what I do. My husband's like slows down the speakers, but I think because they probably did it with concrete to the 2 in. Yeah. And then they didn't come back. No, they did not. Yep. And we just ran into that. That's why I know the industry standard is two inches. Yep. Well, also the gas company finally did back here behind the fire station. Yeah. It was about years we've been smelling gas. I'll make sure because that is private contract coming in. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Anybody else? Okay. We need a motion for approval of the minutes. Hey, um for I got one thing. I need to regress back to old business. Oh, okay. The last meeting we talked about um two ordinances 93.01 01 that was open burning restrictions and 93.02 department recovery services. I did some research review the ordinances gave that to Patty. Where can we stand on that? M the one that had some typos. Oh yeah. Yeah. Mike needs to do an ordinance form. Yes. Not you, Mike. My class. Okay. I don't have a law degree, but I'll I'll anything.

I think you can do it. Okay. So, Mike has those corrections. I I Okay. That's all I had. Okay. I think what we had last for the uh open voting ordinance. Uhhuh. I think we had approved the one change 93.01 and 93.02 we tabled that part of it for consideration at this meeting because it was a lot different from what previous ordinance was confused but there were a lot of changes so 93.01 01 is approved. We just need to make the the correction. Not on that one. The other one on D. Yeah. Yeah. Correct. Right. Okay. Okay. So, will we look at that one next month? He didn't bring it. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right, then. So, how about approval of the minutes for April? So, move. Second. Moved and seconded. All in favor? I opposed. Okay. Approval of the register of claims. So, move. Second. Moved and seconded. All in favor? I opposed. Okay. Anyone want to move for adjournment? So moved. Second. Moved and seconded. All in favor? I. We are adjourned. Thank you all for being here. Thank you to the virtual world. Darn it. You did that.