Town Council - Regular Meeting

the month of Thanksgiving and um be thankful for all the um blessings and graces that we have gotten in this past year.

Thank you. Start. I just did. Hey, Art. I was worried that the hat would not come off and I saw you scatter it off. These rollers don't roll too. They don't either. Are we streaming?

Should be right about here. Says start broadcast. No, doesn't say it. I totally forgot. I was going to say it. I thought you'd be always happy. Well, Miss Tanner, may we have roll call? When I call your name, please state here or present. Mr. Reed, here. Mr. Briggs, present. Miss Farren here. Mr. Le here. Mr. Farren here. Mr. Picket, present.

Let the record show all council members were present. Thank you. Okay. Um because we have funny numbers on our agenda, we're gonna go. Number three is going to be Michelle Ski coming to talk about our monthly over there. Number three is really number one in number one. Yes, actually. But you know what? Welcome everyone. Welcome to you. I have copies for you. can pass down. I'll turn it down a little bit.

So, there's an extra form in your packet tonight and I thought it might be beneficial and I'm happy to go back and pull that forward from previous months if anyone would like. that you've got a balance sheet. You have the profit loss by class. The new report is the profit and loss just for the month for the month of October. And it's a comparative which gives you an idea how everything is doing compared to this time last year. And then you have the year-to- date comparative profit and loss. I know it seems like a lot. Um, and I'm not going to hit all of this. I'm going to primarily focus on the balance sheet and the profit and loss by class. So, I'm going to start with the balance sheet. And our total cash position as of the end of October is $94,610. Uh we have two new fixed assets this year. The cart path which you will see at 65,19305. If you turn the page you will see a new mower for 28,26171. We will be depreciating those over well the more will be over seven years and the cart path will I'm not sure about cart path I have to do a little research on that but we we will be deducting a portion of those expenses um down in the balance sheet under current liabilities we have a very small liability to the town of Edgewood for 219730 that is the remainder of utilities the town paid on behalf of the facility when they were first going and on my last page I've got some long-term debt. I have got the um new golf carts. Our balance is currently $14,72.68. That note will mature in 2031 at 4.9%. We pay four payments a year of $6,151. Our other long-term debt to First Merchants Bank is for the old golf carts. We only pay that in March of every year. Our current balance is

$88,990. That note matures in 2029 at 7%. And then we have another note on here to the town. The town is sharing in the cost of the cart path and we currently owe the town $32,000. That's all I have on the balance sheet. Does anyone have any questions about the balance sheet? Okay, let's move on to the profit and loss by class. So, our classes are the golf course, the pool, and the restaurant pub. And our total revenues for the golf course as of October, and this is year-to- date, mind you, 430,256. The pool, you know the story about the pool, very small number sitting there. Restaurant and pub, including event revenue of 122,965. Restaurant and pub totals 451,660 so far through October. Our cost of goods sold. I'm not going to go line by line, but I will share with you that for golf, our cost of goods sold was 91,745. Our restaurant and pub was 14654. So our gross profit so far year to date on the golf course is 338510. Restaurant and pub is 305606. We have several expenses. Unless someone absolutely wants to talk about a specific expense. I'm only going to talk in totals. But we have total golf expenses related specifically to golf of 65519. Then we have some administrative expenses of insurance, legal and professional merchant fees. Payroll payroll for both golf and the pub. Total payroll expenses for golf is 87854. Total for the pub is 286841. Excuse me. Under repair and maintenance, we've had some repairs to the pool. We're

still paying piles, pools. Um we also pay for some um supplies and chemicals before we knew we weren't going to have the pool open this year. If you turn the page, our total expenses for golf 20591161 and the restaurant and pub is 356827. So where does that leave us? Net operating income which is before depreciation and interest on golf it's 132,599 and on pool it's a negative 7260 and on restaurant and pub it's51221 for an overall net profit of $74,117. So we have some other expenses down here. These are like paper expenses. We have depreciation expense for golf of 74,143 and we have depreciation expense for a restaurant and pub of 12359. This depreciation expense does not yet take into account the new mower or the cart path. I'll do that at the end of the year. We have interest expense on the golf carts year to date of 14,373 specific to golf. So that leaves our overall net income for golf of $44,82. The pool a loss of $7260.97 and the restaurant and pub a loss of 63513 for a net overall year-to-ate loss of 26,691. Now there, like I said, there are two other reports in your packet. Unless you want to talk about them specifically, I'll leave them to you to review. But it's your October only comparative profit and loss and then a year-to- date comparative profit and loss in summaries. Anyone have any questions?

I'm just going to make a comment. I like the U comparison for October 2425. I make comparison speak volumes for the net net operating income. Mhm. That looks pretty decent. These reports are important because they tell more of a story than just a summary. Is that just October? There is one that is just October. Okay. And then the next one is a year to date. You see at the top it says January to October 2025. Then there's one that just says October 2025. Okay. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Any questions? No questions but a comment. Um I think this is very helpful. Thank you. Um, but I'm just wondering if it may not be more beneficial if for for your sake if we just get this presented to us on a quarterly basis versus going to say I don't think we have to come out every month. Yeah, I'm fine with that. So then, so then I recommend the next time I see you be in January for the year in. Yeah, correct. Right. Okay. All right. I can update my calendar accordingly. I don't show up here next.

I mean, it's nice that because it's rehashing it out of the same thing and we can do a I can still send out an answer she can share. Sure, but I don't need to do that. I think you've educated us enough to know what we're looking at instead of just a bunch of numbers. Good. Yeah. Marvelous idea. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Merry Christmas to all of you, too. You too. January, February. I'll give it

um I think I think I don't have an answer to that. I think I do. It comes from my old boss. It was when it was developed and I think It just hasn't been changed, right? Okay. And I think that maybe it should be, but I don't know. We can work on that. I I would like to see that. Yeah. Not for this. No, not for this, but yeah. Excuse us. We're having a side conference. Um Oh, we can

we can do that for not 27. Well, this is an ordinance, right? Yes. Okay. Can we not amend it? Yes. Vacation. Well, the on the vacation. That's what he's looking at. Amen. Well, let me ask, Captain, is there a reason why we're still continuing to have separate vacation policies for the police department versus the rest of the town employees? I don't know that. Okay. So I I think I understand that was under a previous marshall that wanted it separated like that and I don't

I don't know that we want to I think everybody can be under the same Yeah, makes sense. Yes. Yeah. You first of all just you changed it to try to keep retention a little bit. Well, it I'm actually I think it should go have that. No. So, the policy for the police department is more stringent than the policy for the rest of the employees. I I haven't looked at the rest of the Okay, if you want to come look, it's fine. This I want your input. Yes. So, if you look

other than police department. So, you want to address it now? No, no. We're going to address it later because it would have to be a resolution. Yes. Um Yeah, that's Well, just that's different than what we have set. Um Okay. So, so you guys don't have that set. Mhm. Okay. We're going to have to have more conversation. We'll address it. Okay. We'll address it. Yeah. Ours ours is a little different than that, but we How did that happen? Right. That's another question. Okay. It's just going to take some talking amongst Don't write on this one though. This is the Right. That's the actual one. Yeah. Well, it's just I

Okay. Thank you. All right, Chief Vanderp. I was going to say he's whistling us again.

Uhhuh. Okay. Uh see this is this be October. Uh we had 47 medical runs or calls. We transported 17 patients to the hospital. We had two mutual aid runs with Anderson, one with Lapel and uh 27 to Lafayette. Fire calls. We had nine. Now that was three brush fires, uh three structured fires, uh two one accident and two no calls. Okay. Well, it's it it's pretty simple.

We get a lot. Um, I know I know Patty said I think on state fire marshals that each county council member I'd like to explain this what it means and what you know we can do with this. Did you get it too? Mhm.

Okay, good. The basis of this is with the way Senate Bill one has created some issues for most fire departments. I know uh the state fire motion was concerned about volunteer fire departments not being viable anymore. And as you can see that was South Madison. Uh they had already taken at Engles. So Engles wouldn't be out the door. They've been covering there for over a year and they're getting ready to take in uh Adams Township, Markville, and Lapel because Lapel was losing money also. Uh so what he's doing here is it looks like he's attempting to solidify the volunteer fire department money. Okay, this we this is nothing new. We have this on oures. It's 93.2 for a different amount of money. This is just an increase in that uh that we voted on at probably like 2013. Okay. So, you want me to read this to you what it is? Well, the charge for services uh and it's by based on vehicles and not personnel but vehicles that go show up to the scene. Total response for engine, fire truck, apparatus, hazmat unit or rescue unit up to $500 from uh the previous amount was $250 and that was like 2013 I believe. The next one is a command vehicle at it used to be 100 and now it's going to be 200.

Onseen assistance per hour, $400 per unit. That stays the same. Uh onseen assistance per hour, fraction thereof for a command control vehicle, $200 per hour. That was $100. So you look at all the Indiana code that he refers to and everything. If you read it, it all it we've always had the ability to be able to charge. Okay. Uh the arcade fire two years ago on golf club, we didn't charge a dime. We didn't lose one thing. We didn't lose a hose. We didn't lose any equipment, no turnout gear, nothing like that. So we we did not charge. In fact, we we really have never charged uh anyone for this. And it looks like quite, you know, there's a calculation on there for a lot of money. And actually that goes to the insurance company. You know, it says the homeowner, but the insurance company is the one that pays this. I we we will give the bill if we do it directly to uh the insurance company because every form we have that we we make a fire call or anything we always get the insurance information the policy number who the agent is the name of the company and all that stuff. So we will give a copy of of our report to uh the homeowner but this will be going to the insurance company. Doesn't statute state that it has to be charged to the homeowner within 30 days?

No, it's that. Yes, it does say that. Okay. But I we will give one to the homeowner, but we will, you know, get the insurance company is the one that's going to take care of this. But the bill goes to the homeowner. Correct. They get I just said they get a copy also. The bill goes to the homeowner by statute. Yes. Okay. Not to the insurance company. But we do give to the insurance company. But by statute, it goes to by statute it goes to the homeowner, right? And and that makes sense because it's the homeowner who's the homeowner then have to turn it into their insurance, right? And we have no I just don't want We have no connection with the insurance company to the insurance,

right? We can't build the insurance company. No, we don't we we give both of them a copy of the bill. Okay. It goes directly to the homeowner first. But you didn't say that. Well, but now you did. Yes,

they get it first and the insurance company will also get a copy. I've been on scenes before uh smaller scenes and I've had the insurance person come up to me and say, "Well, I'll get I'll wait for your bill." And we, like I said, if we don't lose anything, we don't charge. No reason. All that is is recoup. You know, if we if I do a bunker coat or a pair of pants, you know, you're talking thousands of dollars. It takes almost $3,000 now. And the reason this is for volunteer fire departments is not for like South Madison or East Madison because the only thing they can charge for now is uh accidents and hazmat incidents because of the new structure. They can they can raise their tax rate up to 40 cents per $100. Uh so that's how they get their income. they combine and and I understand that South Madison make will go up to 80 cents per $100 in the next three years. So be able to maintain their full staff

and I was propelled this week and uh they were they were they couldn't give a cover because they didn't have enough money to pay their bills. So they were welcoming South Madison to take them in. So Dale, how often how often do you collect from a homeowner? Never have. And if I don't pay you, what do you do? If you're an Edward resident,

based on our own ordinance, it's 9302. That's the proper procedure because it states in there that the fire department shall not impose a charge however on a natural person who resides within the town who pays property taxes within the town or pays fire department user fees unless the charge is for recoverable of expendable materials such as absorption materials, emulsifiers or other agents used in cleanup operations.

So that that's 9302 that you were talking about earlier. So, in regards to what you're suggesting that the state fire marshall recommends, and it's a recommend amendment, it's not a sha, it's not a shall, it's a could. Um, we'd have to change our ordinance to be able to charge those fees because it's not in our ordinances right now. Our ordinance say that we don't. Correct. Okay. Yes. You It's up to you. Yeah. And and so what I would like I I really would like for Mike to take a look at this. And Mike's been Mike has been working on this. Yeah. And we haven't brought

And he hasn't brought it to the town council yet, but he he's been working on this for a couple of months to make sure we say the proper things. You know, the the the the ones that are really concerning to me um is the loss of equipment and or hazmat. um because those could be astronomical um you know for for our department. Um there's also we are not allowed to charge when we are the secondary service. Correct. So right so if we're going out of town to help somebody else we can't charge. Right. If we go to lapel.

So it's their it's their So this is only for Edgewood res. Correct. So if we have Let me follow your train of thought there. Yeah. So So if we have a hazmat spill, nine times out of 10, someone other than our guys are going to show up on the scene to handle that. Is that a fair assessment? I mean, it's we're in the confines of Edgewood and River Forest. River Forest. We can charge. Correct. But we can only charge.

No. I guess my question my question based on that is if there's a hazmat spill within Edgewood or River Forest, who's responding to clean that up? Because I I would assume we do. So we're we're 100% capable of No, we the Madison County has the best hazmat unit. That's that's what I'm trying to get at. So if they So if they show up Yes. They're they're secondary. We're always going to be first in the town. Okay. Okay. And they like if we use if we use we carry quick and everything on the trucks. If we use it, they will take off their truck and get replenish our stock. Okay.

We had it's almost a little over two years ago. We had a a lawnmower company go down here and this one of those gas tanks started leaking and it leaked all the way down to Park Road and all the way down Path of War. Yeah, remember that? and we had the hazmat out then when that lady hit the bridge on Central Way. She hit that bridge to our gas tank. We called them to come and stop this the leak. You know, the only time we would really be affected by that is if we get in and initially, you know, to get the person out of the car or whatever. Uh it would get, you know, it could ruin our boots, it could ruin our clothes, you know, it's just

right. But my concern is if so you went through your report. We had nine fires. How many of those were in Edgewood? None. So we would not be charging any of those cuz we're secondary on all of them. None. It's only when we're first response in our area.

It's just like just like Amos call. We if we we get a calls other places. If we go to uh Santa Cross Street and we transport that person to the hospital, our billing service charges them and they pay through them. And if they don't pay or can't make their end of the bargain up, they send me a letter to the billing company. I give it to Mike. He sends them a letter saying, "Hey, you owe us a hundred bucks or whatever." Mhm.

If it's an Edwood resident, I throw those in the trash. If if the insurance companies go for it, we don't ever charge an Edgewood resident. So, why do we need I guess why are we looking at this? If we're not going to charge Edgewood residents and we can only charge Edgewood residents, why are we looking at doing this? Exactly. That's why it should be stated that we can charge Edgewood residents. I know that one statement in there, but you said we don't charge it to rest. Well, no, we would. But we can. But we could. We can. But we don't. But you know, that's where the they pay taxes part comes in. Correct. It's over and above where they whether they can afford or not,

we tuck it away. So the problem is if we don't have something then we can't we can't do correct. Um we can't do what? Well, if we Okay, I I I understand that we, you know, based on what Dale is saying, we don't charge Edgewood residents because that's what our ordinances say, but we can if we so choose according to state statutes. Yes. Okay. So, I would rather for us to have something in writing versus having nothing in writing. Something in writing that says that we're going to charge or we can charge.

We can charge. Whether we do or we don't, we should have something in writing. Well, that's already covered by a state statute and our ordinances already say that we don't. So, if we're going to, that's when we would change the ordinance and we'd follow the guidelines of the state statute. And I am asking, which I've said a few minutes ago, I'm asking Mike if he would look at this and and and see what what if if if we need to change and if we need to change, how would we change it? What would it look like? And it would make sense to have that option. Yes. Not not that it would be a situation that would occur very often. Let's not tie our hands.

Yeah. But but we could potentially have an Ed president some hazmat spill. Uh and that ends up costing the town's volunteer fire department huge amounts of money. If there's turnout gear that has to be replaced, if there's, you know, some complications, some unusual complications, we may as well have the right. may be unusual, may not happen, that we may as well protect ourselves against that possibility. And we could write into our ordinance that we're not going to charge for under normal circumstances.

Under normal, but if we have a substantial loss equaling this amount, then we could have a conversation with the homeowner and potentially charge them. I cuz I don't want I don't want to charge somebody cuz we show up with an engine, a tanker, an ambulance, and a command vehicle to put out their campfire and then they just got a $4,200 bill. I don't want that happening because potentially if we change this ordinance to say yes, we can do that, that's $1,400 just to show up. And would would we be vesting discretion in the fire chief?

That would be up to the fire chief to make that call. It says that in fire chief has to make that call.

And I I guess then I would I would ask the council, are we are we comfortable with the fire chief having that making that decision, that discretion, that having that discretion. So Dale, what you're proposing is to basically change our ordinance so it follows the guidelines put forth by the fire marshall and to give you the ability to make those charges. Correct. Correct. And then if you have the ability to make those charges, you're going to do the followup and the tracking of all that or who's that going to fall under? or is that something that hasn't been developed yet? That would be the fire chief.

The fire chief will follow up on the billing. The fire chief will follow up on the collecting. And then if the collecting is not taken care of, then you would reach out to our attorney. Yes, that's what if we so choose. If we so choose. Yes. And the other thing that's written into this is on an annual basis, the fire chief has to bring a report to us. April 1st of the next year. Yeah. which I hadn't seen that before till this came out. So, I think that's very important. Well, I think that keeps everybody honest. Exactly. Is this the first year that he's the fire marshal has put out that guidance or is that every year?

He puts it he puts it out every so that's not automatic. Okay. The statute changed in 24. There's a new statute that came out. Okay. But yeah, and every year they have to the fire marshall's office has required to update their fee schedule recommendations um since 24 or before that. Before that it was just a different amount, but now they're required every year to okay

to come up with a a fee schedule. So, yeah, I think it's it's worth looking into, but with again, I don't want I don't want a homeowner getting charged $2,000 because we had 16 volunteers show up for a Yeah. fire. If you look at the u the example that they put in the email, the fire marshall put in the email, it could be upwards to $5,000 just for a two-hour fire. Now, that's an example. We're fully aware of that.

Now, now the flip makesense. Now, the flip side of that is um and I agree with both of you, but the flip side of that is if we have a homeowner who was negligent and there's where I'm going and it's a repeated offense, then keeps getting charged cuz we had one on Central Way that kept burning. We ended up bringing the grass truck out there and we had to douse it like four times and it was the same homeowner every time. Didn't we just didn't we just create the open burning laws in the this year? So that goes according to not this goes to the town ordinances of the So I believe the fees $100 or whatever. Yeah. But we have the potential to say

exactly that's true. If they're going to be a problem, we don't have to write them the ticket. We give them a bill. We can deal We can deal with a hand a $5,000 bill when they're burning everything under. They're burning their trash and everything. Exactly. And I hope you the integrity of this program so that we will follow the normal everyday homeowners not the problem. But yes, I say yes, we are. I think that was set up

and and not to uh not to impugn anybody's integrity whatsoever, but when you're talking about um charging for this and giving a little discretion, I I think if we're if we ever end up doing that and that discretion is given, then there has to be a lot of accountability with that discretion because you can't just arbitrarily decide yes and no based on whatever whether it's someone's ability ility to pay or the severity of the fire or the severity of the run. I think if we would do something like that that there would have to be some strict guidelines. Oh, we do a total total investigation on every

major fire. I I would say that we would want to write in there something about negligence or repeated repeated behaviors or something like that that should be written in there so that we're not just willy-nilly charging this neighbor and not that neighbor. Correct. Especially with the charges on that recommended schedule because there's a lot significant. It can be significant. But if you think of it this way, and this has happened to me before, if I've been in a house fire and the kitchen ceiling falls in on me and covers me in smoke and flames and everything else, there's a good chance I may lose my gear. Oh, yeah. And we have to be able to recover that.

And we right now at this point where we are, we don't, you know, with money's always going to be tight. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. This will give us a chance to recover. I I just want us to be and and I'm in agreement with what you're asking. Um but I also think we need to be real concerned about our residents because the the fact that we're asking them to pay a fire fee, correct? Already. Okay. And so, you know, I I can see some homeowner asking the question, what is my money going towards? You know, if I got to pay you, you know, because I had a fire at my house. So I I agree.

So So the consensus this evening is let's let's come up with at least a rough draft ordinance. Yeah. For review by the count. I would I would say that's good. Mike, you want me to come out and get with you? Yeah, we might do that. D just schedule time to get together. Okay. Count me bring bring me into that conversation. Okay, sounds good. Any other questions? Well, thank you for your consideration. Thank you for your investigation.

Okay, Officer Ray, come on out. It's your turn. Good evening. Good evening. Not much of note here. There were 86 calls for service. So that doesn't include the traffic stops during October. Um 17 arrests and citations which would not include warnings on 53 traffic stops in October. Um any questions? Okay, that's it. That's it. Yes.

Sorry. Just curious, is the uh digital sign uh as you enter Edgewood from the uh west, do you think it's having a positive effect? Definitely. Okay. Yes. Good. And at least on the shifts that I work in the evening, it has had a large impact on the speeds coming through on 32.

And I've also used it as a tool just to point out to people, did you not see the the lit sign as well as the stationary regular signs? But it it has had an effect for sure. Um, talking with the Dayshift guys, I think it's been similar for them the experience-wise. Um, there's still speeding going on, but not the ex not as many excessive speeds going down 32 into town and out of town. Um, and where they do start to pick up is more at Leighton. So there's there's been a extreme decrease in speed right around Leighton. So it has had a positive effect. Anything else? Thank you.

Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Ferguson.

Uh, good evening. Um, there is a four-letter word that I'm not going to say, but it is white and it falls from the sky. We've had a little bit here. So, just to let the residents and everyone know, our policy on plowing that stuff is 2 in on the ground. Um, also with the emergence of the freezing weather, to anyone that's listening, please insulate your homes, cover your vents, do all those things so that way you don't have a frozen pipe in your homes. Do what do what's necessary there. that will save you lots of money and us on uh figuring out the water loss for the year. So, um we've also uh went over winterized what was left at the pool and the shower houses and things of that nature. So, that is all done as well. Um currently at the moment, we do have filter number two is down. It is cleaned out. It has been assessed and the things in it have been repaired. We are just waiting for them to come in. They're supposed to be in on Wednesday or Thursday. They will start putting the fresh media back into it. As soon as that is done, we can put that back into service. Um they did find a few things that were wrong with it as per the first one. Um just things were not as bad. Uh the outlets in the bottom on the first one, every single one need to be replaced. There were over 50 of those in the bottom. This one only had to have 22 replaced. So saved us a little bit of money there. But anyway, there's going to be end to do that. And then we'll be back up and running on full four filters. Um what was the next thing? Um, as far as the lead line service

stuff that we we talked about last month, um, I got some bad information or I did not hear the information correctly is is they are not asking us to check at the water man. That was a suggestion by the the engineering company and I was like, "No, that like I heard that I was like, no, we're not definitely not going to do that." But we are not getting there are there is no funds coming to help us with that. Um we still have to do the 20% or 40%. We have to identify that and we have to identify it at the home like I suggested last time. Both there identifying it at the home is easy. Um, we will have to excavate out in the out in the yard to identify the rest of those and that is at at present moment that is our cost and there is no help coming but the engineers are still asking questions and things. It's still a evolving thing, but um though I'm not going to get my hopes up on uh getting any kind of funding for that, even though the federal government and the state are pushing it that we have to do this.

Okay, let Okay, let me make sure I heard you correctly. 20%. Yes. Do you have to escape 20%. We do. We uh what we were talking about doing was is we were going to hydro escavate, which is actually have a a major back truck come in basically suck a hole in the ground. Yeah. At the shut off, um you're looking at just a hole about Yeah. y big around. They clean it out. We can identify what the pipe is in the ground. It's going to be copper. They're all copper everywhere. It's all copper unless they've replaced it and then it's plastic and we take a documentation of it.

Okay. So, the excavation will be localized. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Cuz what? Okay. Cuz my my vision was not what you just It's basically a It's basically a 6 in hole. Okay. With a giant vacuum that's just going to suck right down. So, but those are costly. So that the last uh at our signed agreement with Kulie Contracting that's $65,000 to do that 20%. Which is around 170 individual excavations. So and that is going to be at our cost. That's where that is at the moment anyway. Mhm.

But the engineers are, like I said, they're looking to try to find us another avenue that hopefully can be get us some sort of assistance. Have we talked with any of the other local entities to see if they have a back trip? Could we hire? Is this something as a liability that they wouldn't want to use their equipment on our Well, the I mean there are several companies out there that we could entertain. I entertained two. One was Fluid Waste and then the other one is Koolie Contracting, right?

Um fluid waste was ever bid of $30,000 more than what Kulie did. And I still have those estimates there at the plant. I can bring those in any time you'd like to see those. Just

Yeah, I know. Just asking. Trying to figure out a way to get it down. Yeah, I've I've been thinking about that myself, too. So, um reason I went with Their their offer was more than fair, I thought. Plus, they are they're going to come through and after they do the excavation, they'll have a a crew that will uh fill that hole and uh landscape it at the same time. So, there would be very little for the property owner to ever do out front. It would just look like a small little eyesore for a very short time. and the fact that I already signed a contract with them, which they are honoring, even though we were supposed to. I I thought that I was going to get that done this summer and that did not happen. So, but they have assured me that they'll honor that until we need to get it done, which it has to be done by November 15th of 27. So, I still have all I still have two years to get it done. Does the state pick the 20% or do you

They out of the out of all the services that we do have here, they picked them. Okay. Yeah, we were not allowed. Nope. They went through and done that and then I had to go through what they picked and edit some of those because some of those were in easements. We have easements down the middle like Magnolia right here in the back. So, you already know what 20%. Yeah, I have. When do you when do you plan to notify homeowners? Um when we get the money to do it. But I didn't know that I would even notify those homeowners because there's going to be no disruption of service whatsoever. It's not like we're going to shut the water off or anything that nature. Yeah. But if you come

But if you somebody come I'm just going to pick up me for example. Somebody shows up in my yard with a truck and starts digging a hole, you know, I'm I'm going to be asking some questions. It not be that list out. That's not a problem. You know, we've talked about it here many times. I mean, they should know that it is coming. Um, they should I don't know if any of the residents have gotten any of the new letters here in November yet. They're supposed to be sending the same exact letters out that they did last year as well. So,

um, please residents, there's no lead in the water. Please believe me when I tell you you can come over and take a gander at what we do every day if you want to, but there is no lead in the water. They're looking for lead service lines and galvanized lines out in the distribution system. So Art, I think you're just saying that when we decide that we're going to do that, we probably should just send a notice to those involved as a courtesy and to ensure that there's no disruption. Yes. Well, hopefully. Yeah. As last meeting when they send those letters out, they're supposed to have a specific letter to those that show. Yeah.

This time around for that lead service line and those letters and that's what I'm talking about. Yeah. They're supposed to that the engineering company that uh oversaw that was supposed to send that out, I think, to 40% not just the 20.

I believe they were supposed to do that. So I was wrong last month. So hopefully I'm not wrong this month information. So um one other last thing I did start looking at one of my budgets and found that we had decent amount of money in there. So went ahead and spent some more money. And we now have every single street sign in Edgewood has been purchased. It is at the plant and all we have to do is go out and put them up. So every intersection has a brand new sign that's not put up yet, but it is in our possession. Went through, done it. They're all high viz. They're all green with white letters. So all the intersections in Edgewood will be done. Now it's just a matter of deciding where to start and how to go. So like if I start on the north north end of winding way and make it all the way and go to south winding way and all the way through, that's like 12 different intersections. Edgewood, it has 11 from north all the way to south. So I don't know exactly where we're going to go, but everybody's giving industry sign. So, those have been purchased and done. And then also on the fire hydrants that we talked about, cheapest I've gotten to is $18,000 a piece.

And that's coming out of the same budget as the $65,000 for the other. So, I've got some uh juggling and managing of funds to do. So, that's probably materials only, isn't it? Don, no, that's not only materials. That is the cost of everything installation all the m that's with us buying the in the materials and everything

as well went through three different uh uh supply companies and have between the three to get the best price on what we need. um went through three or four different hydrant companies, got the hydrant that I really believe is is going to be the best hydrant for us for the cheapest amount, too. That's going to be $2,900 a piece. Yeah. So,

the well, the expense that that really costs us is having to have a valve on each one, which we do not have. There's no way to shut the hydrant off. Right. So, we have to do line stops. Those are 6,500 each. And darn near every hydrant here in Edgewood needs that done. So, I'll try to do the best I can to get the ones that are most needed done. You live in an old community. Yeah. For the new standards. I think I'm done.

Okay, that was any questions? Thank you. Okay, member reports, Mr. Reed, I don't have anything. Nothing. Nothing. Miss Tanner, when do we typically see the interlocal cooperation agreement with River Forest? Um, we usually send it out maybe December or so and I talked to them and they did agree that there probably should be an increase and I can't remember what they said if it was 15%.

Okay. Well, I'm I'm not necessarily asking the question on based on the the what what we charged them. Okay. All right. Well, um I don't necessarily want to discuss this tonight because I really would like for Mike to do some more digging on this code, but I'd like at some point to have a discussion about where those funds go. Okay. It goes into the general fund. Yeah. But, uh I I' Yeah. Um, based on Indiana statute, those funds should de should go directly to the services that are being provided. It goes into the general fund.

Okay. I I want Mike I want I want our I want Mike to take a look at this because if I'm reading this correctly, those those funds should not go into the general fund based on Indiana code. So, I'm I'm not I'm not in the position to to want to talk about it tonight because I you know I I don't necessarily un fully understand on the Indiana code. But Mike, if you could Indiana code 36-1-7 if you can next month give us an interpretation opinion about that.

Yeah, sure. Because that code basically talks about interlocal cooperations and contracts and services such as fire and police and and how those payments are received and where those dollars should go. And if if I'm interpreting this correctly, then we're putting those funds in the wrong place based on statute. That's all I have. Okay, Mr. Fair, no report. My turn. Yes.

Uh just slight tip this week uh this month. I'm sorry. Uh if you'll go to the indian.gov website for the city of Edgewood, you'll find that there's updates on the front of the uh homepage. Town of Edwood. What' I say? City.

I'm sorry. Town of Edgewood, indiana.govtown of Edgewood back. Uh there's updates on there. Uh we recently just had the survey that was where we were asking the residents what their opinion was about the property, where the pool's located right now. That uh finished up on the 14th. We should have that data soon. And we've got a meeting scheduled for December 8th here at 6:30. Uh if you look at the front of the uh web page, it's on there telling us when we're going to have the what time the meeting is. And then u uh Ted Bitner and his team will be here to provide that data for us and give us what uh what came about from that survey. So that's what we're looking forward to. Um that's all I've got.

Can you believe that? You got Ted Bitner to do some work. do what? You got Ted Bitner to do some work. He volunteered. I think it's pretty awesome. Okay, Mr. Austin, uh just a a couple things. Uh well, I was gone last month, so I did get a report from our associate Brockman who covered for me. And I'm not sure what we we have I took a couple things I had prepared. One was this therapy comfort dog companion ordinance. We we're pulling it.

Okay. So not proceeding with that then. Okay. Very good. And then just today because Pat had asked me a couple days ago about some sort of agreement concerning the operation of the educ and she had some ideas about that and I had suggested that we actually have a resolution uh which discusses the LLC uh that has been set up to operate, you know, the golf course and pub and diamond everything and have uh just have some uh information about the reason for the LLC, how the LLC operates, and that would provide some transparency uh for the for the residents of Edwood and I think that would also be uh a way to protect the town in case there's any inquiry about this. state board accounts ask what's going on here we have resolution that spells out what we're doing why we're doing it so what I sent today just circulated this was very rough draft but I think it was intended to start that discussion and uh another way to approach this since we're we're talking about uh town real estate and how that real estate is being used uh the guidelines who would be involved is uh is perhaps uh because that could be, you know, a discussion that might take quite some time to resolve and everybody may have different ideas about how we should proceed on this, whether we should proceed with a resolution. That might be something we want to do in executive session. That that's all I have is those two items. Then I'll follow up in the next meeting about the issue of the fees from

River Forest and also follow up with an ordinance at least a proposed ordinance about charging for uh the fire department. Thank you.

Okay. Thank you, Mr. Surveys. Well, we met with the contractor about the drainage problem down by Shane and he's supposed to be getting back with me with a cost estimate. We discussed what what we thought would be the best thing to do to resolve that. So, I'm just waiting on that and I'll follow up with him to make sure he gets it promptly to me here. Uh we also looked out in front of Katherine's office down there

to u see what we can do with drainage and curving and uh all that. So our storm drain is across the street or across 32 which we can get there by directional drilling. So it's not that big of a deal anymore like it like it used to be. Uh anything we do out there is going to require an INDOT permit which is always a pain. uh as police department knows from their sign that that we went through. Um I I I need to touch bases with INDOT to see what all kind of hoops are going to make us jump through. Of course, the town won't have to pay a permit fee or anything, but we may have to do, and I hope not, a drainage report uh because the structure would be right there at the rightway. Uh drainage reports when you have to do them within about that thick and

take you about two days to do. Um, so we're also we're going to we're going to leave her about a 30ft driveway opening uh adjacent to the the property to the east, curb the rest of it around to the uh power pole. Mhm.

And then that way it'll leave the other driveway there where they can get to the uh drop box or come into hers or come into a 30ft opening and it'll look a lot better. We we just carry the same curb line down uh from the property to the east. So, I'll get with INDOT on that and see what all we have to do with that. And then the other thing, uh, next year on community crossings grants, we have to have our pavement evaluation certified. So, you have to have a certified passer uh, person to do the pavement evaluation. So, I'm going to Purdue tomorrow to certified.

See about getting certified. They've got a passer class that they don't like they don't like to tell you about. If you don't look at the ELAP website, they don't send out any notices or anything. So, I saw that. So, I signed up for it. I'm going to go up there and see how much fun that's going to be. And the certification is only good for two years, so it makes it even better, you know. And that's all. Yeah. Steve, will that also include the water problem the fire station? Um, as you know that probably help because the the water flows to where the old dentist office sign was. Most of it right there. Now we can we can put my yard there. It gets

we can put a stub out, Dale, from that structure that we put on this side and while we got everything tore up, we could run a line over over to your fire department probably too at the same time. That' be nice. Cuz that range like we Yeah. Really hard. It comes in. You just have to show me the best spot where you need it. It comes in the front door of the fire department. Okay. The overhead door. Well, we should we can make that all the same project. That'd be great. I appreciate that because if we have a structure there, it's it's it's easy at that time. And we're going to have that tore up to put curb and everything in to get a line over over to you from there. So, I don't see why we couldn't do that. Thank you. And other than that, that's about all I have.

Okay. steep for directional drilling under 32. What kind of cost do you get in? I mean, I know um it's not really expensive is what is what you would think. It's u of course we get prices from, you know, contractor to do it, but there's there's a company like Dayar. They're probably I'm going to say $4 to $5,000 maybe at the most.

Okay. Uh they did out just for an example, we did a 12-in water mane where the true hotel went in Anderson there at 64th Street that Dayar did. We had to we started on the north side of 64th Street. We had to go underneath the 21-inch high-pressure gas man, underneath 64th Street, underneath the Hopper Shell ditch, and then come up on the other side of the ditch and make a tie in to a 12-in line at Meyer. And that that whole thing was only about $30,000, which is just with all that is pretty pretty good price,

especially the gas. Yeah, the g the gas line the inspector from the gas company was sitting 500 ft away when we were doing that. Wow. Mr. Series, um I ask this question probably at least once a year and so this is my time of the year to ask it. Okay. When are we going to address the drainage issues on West Lo? We we have several drainage things that we're going to try to work on this winter so we can have something ready to go this spring. One of yours is is West. Yes. Okay. Because on a good on a You've been very patient.

Yeah. But every time it rains, I get my fishing rod out. Have you caught anything? Have you caught anything? Be a fish fry. What do you think the fish fry fish? Oh, that's all I have. Thank you. Hey, Miss Tanner.

First of all, for those of you who don't get a newsletter every month, I have some up here. And for those that do get it, if you read it down here, if you have a question or issue with the Edgewood Golf Restaurant dining, these are the people you would contact. So, if you can do that, that would be helpful. And we're also collecting toys, toys for tots. And you can bring a toy to the town uh the utility office. We have a big box there. Oops. And if you don't have a magnet,

feel free to pick one up. It'll tell you the number to call for non-emergency police, fire, and the utility office. That's all I have. Thank you. Okay. All right. Is there any old business? Anyone? Uh oh. Don't knock a tree over, please. That was a good old business.

Okay. Any new business? Everybody's so quiet. Okay. comments, questions, and remember you have to come up here if you have a comment or question. Anyone? No one. Okay, then we need approval of the uh October minutes. So move second. Moved and seconded. All in favor? I opposed. That's passed. Okay. And the approval of the register claims for November. So move.

Second. Moved and seconded. All in favor? I opposed. Passed. Okay. What about adjournment? Anyone? So moved. Second. Moved and seconded. All in favor? I oppose. We are adjourned. Thank you for being here. Thank you. Yes, sir. Ramy, do you have a