City Council - Regular Meeting

of the North Carolina City Council meeting, June 15th, at 7 p.m. You please rise for the pledge of allegiance.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the flag of the United States of America, and to the flag of the United States of America, and to the flag of the United States of America, and to the flag of the United States of America,

Thank you, Mayor Dunbrough. Present. Councillor DeForge.

Present.

Councillor Hagedorn. Present. Councillor Ugarte. Present. Councillor Warrington. Present. Councillor Weber.

Present. Thank you. Okay, at this time, we would like to add two agenda items following public comment. Number one, considering the separation agreement with city manager. And number two, to consider appointing Robin already as acting city manager, are there any objections from council? Hearing none, we will have those following public comments. At this time, I will entertain a motion on consent agenda and the approval of the minutes. And we're going to take a separate vote on 2352, just so we're clear. So consent agenda and council minutes. I'll entertain a motion. Councillor Weber so moved. And whoever moves to approve consent agenda and previous minutes for a second. Second, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It's all in favor. Say aye. Aye. Opposed. All right. And then on resolution 2352 for the idea with Washington library service. I want a motion.

They Order that's the agenda means everything under there. So we're going to include that we were approved.

Thank you.

Thank you.

This is why you're going to make sure to stay. Thank you. I appreciate it. Okay, so now public comment with Rob Rick. I must say your name, Roman, Roman, Roman and 3 minutes. They're on the scenario. You want to make sure my daughter.

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Good evening mayor and City Council.

My name is Rob Drake and I proudly served as your interim city manager in 2024 prior to Bill Reed being appointed the new city manager. I've known Bill professionally for over 20 years. He provided economic development counsel by contract during my 16-year tenure as Beaverson's mayor and 11 years as Cornelia's city manager prior to coming here. Bill is an outstanding professional and has distinguished himself in private industry and during a service to North Plains. I managed Bill as finance director during my six month interim city manager service to the city. I left North Plains upon Bill accepting the appointment as city manager by the city council. He continues to be professional, highly ethical, very hardworking, communicates very effectively and treats city employees fairly and with great respect and dignity. He has successfully continued to move the city's grocery store project on Commercial Street forward and obtained a $1 million grant from the federal EPA to clean up the ground field contamination. Bill has excelled as city manager. I believe he should be retained as city manager to keep North Plains moving in all the right directions. Thank you for the opportunity to share my opinion. And you will always be a member of my family after spending six months here. So that's my entree to being here tonight.

I'd be happy to answer any questions. Thank you. Counselor, is there any clarifying questions? Otherwise, we will move on to the next. If counsel wishes to bring anything up, let me bring up her counsel's points. Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. Okay, next, I believe it or not,

And Joyce Reynolds.

Okay, you have three minutes. So state your names and resident, non-resident, rural resident.

I'm Meredith Bach. I live on 309-1055. For 40 years, I've been living in the North Plains.

I'm Joyce Meek Reynolds. Lived here for 79 years and I reside on Bunkin Ridge.

And we are here to ask your consideration to clarify for everybody who comes to the playground and the community center to know who, in fact, Jessie Mays is. Many people I've talked to think it's a man. Nobody knows that she was a first grade teacher. And we would like to have the boulder that Butch is going to pull over on site have a brass plaque with a good photograph of her and a couple of sentences. And I thought of this several years ago, anticipating the fact that Jesse's son, Elmer Mays, would turn 100 years old two weeks ago. A friend of ours from the Old Scotch Church. And wouldn't it be wonderful for him to see his mother's picture here on site?

Okay, here's a little something about Jesse. She is Jesse Cyphers, a well-respected longtime teacher in the area. Jesse Cyphers was born on Pumpkin Ridge. went to elementary school in Hillsborough and the high school near her sister's home in Eastern Washington. She contracted polio. They tried to keep her from teaching, but she overcame her disabilities and became a teacher. She taught for different schools for over 38 years, retired out of North Plains at 75. She taught 4-H. Sunday School became the first woman elder of the Scotch Church in 1968. And she was very instrumental in mine growing up on Moscow Avenue. In this building, she was instrumental in getting it built. I'm not sure what dates it was. I have the papers, but I don't have on my head anymore. 1931, this is when the building was built. It wasn't built by the school district. It was built by mothers and the Pythians and the fathers and where the building's still standing. And that's why we want Jesse's name on a good solid rock that the kids can read and say, this is what a teacher really looks like. Thank you.

Thank you very much. Next up is Bush Kimball.

Good evening, Mayor, City Councilors. I don't want to be here, but I have to be here, okay? This is not an easy thing to do, to go. To Mayor Gumbel and City Councilors. I cannot express the joy I had being on North Plains City Council for 44 years. It was a pleasure and I would do it again. So what it leads me to is that the six mayors and the numerous city councils were also so joyful to work with. It was just unbelievable. So to me, joy, joyfulness, joyful hearts create community growth and livability. So here's where it goes. I and a group of longtime residents have not seen any joy of the city leaders on the council since January 1st, 2025. The only one that would be excluded would be Tristan and James. So tonight, Ariel Goodman is up for, she's applied for the vacant position. I don't think she should be chosen for that seat on city council because I never seen any joy when she was here as mayor for about six months. And she would not be a good fit for the city. She wasn't when she was here for the six months. Also, in conclusion, I have the opinion that you, Aaron, and Mandy, Mandy, excuse me, would and could be joyful as city councilors if Lyndon Gaylis Merton stayed out of North Plains politics. Thank you. Thank you, sir.

Next up is Chris Edmonds.

Good evening. Chris Edmonds, West Linn. I represent the landowners in the North Plains East Side Coalition. That's all the land south of West Union Road, west of Jackson School Road, and west of Highway 26. You see I have a big stack here, so I'm going to be brief. I just wanted to say that Bill Reed and I have known each other for the last six years. I have had my share of support and frustration and we've been through ups and downs in this. I've watched Bill work across a city council that has been consistently evolving during that time. And he has done it with grace and professionalism. And I've been amazed, frankly, that North Plains has been able to keep him, was able to get him as city manager in the first place. And I think that you're going to find that when you go out and try to hire a new city manager, the pool is not going to be as deep as you might think. Bill has been seriously mistreated during his time here, especially over the last two years by members of this public, certain members of the public, and certain members of this city council. He was seriously mistreated by a former mayor. Two weeks ago, Bill wrote you a memo blowing the whistle on some of these activities, and your silence in response to that did not bring honor to this city or to yourselves. This city is not better for Bill's loss if he cheats. Thank you. Thank you.

You will have three minutes. Linda, are you online? Yes, I am. Good.

You have three minutes.

I'm sorry. Yes, good evening, Mayor and Council. Gosh, I wish I had a Jessie Mae story. That was wonderful. My name is Linda Gallus-Merton, representing Strong Towns North Plains, with members both unincorporated and incorporated. I'm here to make you aware that the City of North Plains is defendant in a case before LUBA. The case number is LUBA2024044. It involves the 2022 housing needs analysis. The plaintiff is 1000 Friends of Oregon and the case is now actively and rapidly proceeding. As you're aware from prior testimony, the HNA is based on a 2020 population forecast that estimated the city's population would increase from 3,400 today to 7,076 residents in 20 years. That forecast was downsized in 2025 with a current estimate of 5,500 residents in 20 years. When an HNA is adopted and approved by the state, a city is required to provide land to meet the adopted HNA's population and housing projections, regardless of whether the population forecast remains accurate. This is unlike an economic opportunity analysis, which permits the city to expand up to that number of acres at its own discretion. Further, North Plains is not required to pass an HNA at all due to its size. Only cities of 10K or more are required to adopt HNAs. The effort to codify this old HNA is an apparent attempt to force the city to take more land than it truly needs to meet its real housing needs. The plaintiff in this case, Thousand Friends of Oregon, is required to submit this petition for review of the HNA to the Land Use Board of Appeals by this Wednesday, June 17th. Once the petition is submitted to LUBA, the city's attorneys have 21 days to submit the city's response if the city decides to pursue the case. Allowing the HNA lawsuit to proceed has risk, whether the city wins or loses. If the city wins, you would be required to provide land for a population growth that is grossly inaccurate. If the city loses, it means spending not only the money to defend, but the city would be able to pay all the legal fees of the plaintiff. Do you know if the city's insurance will cover this? If it will, is the insurance attorney handling the city's defense? If not, why not? And finally, if insurance won't cover, does the city have the resources to pay all the costs involved? Thank you for considering this carefully.

Now I will entertain a motion on the two items we added, the separation agreement and the attacking city.

Mayor Dunbrook, I move to authorize the mayor to execute the separation agreement on behalf of the city.

Mayor Mrakas, And doesn't forge moves to authorize me or two. Mayor Mrakas, I see separate you're going to have a second. Mayor Mrakas, counselor Weber, I would second. Mayor Mrakas, All those in favor say aye. Mayor Mrakas, Aye. Mayor Mrakas, All those. Mayor Mrakas, They then motion carries. Mayor Mrakas, And on the second item.

You're done bro. I moved to a point rather go deep at the active city manager effective Monday, June 22, 2006 until the interim city manager is in place or July 6, 2026, whichever occurs first. Okay. And also an authorized pay at 10% additional duty pay during the period.

I'm not repeating all that. Okay, so motion on the tables or second.

Councillor Weber, I would second.

Okay, Councillor Weber seconds. All in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed?

Nay.

Motion carries. All right, moving on. Do we have Umpqua Valley on Zoom?

Yes.

We're in Zoom for a financial presentation.

Yes. Good evening. I'm Ash, a partner at Umpqua Valley Financials. And I also have Jean Larson, who leads the single audit area. Just to give a quick update on the audit, we have received and reviewed the first draft of the financial statements provided by Matthew and his team. And we did review those and sent it back with their comments and some clarifications. We did meet with the team last Friday to go over any clarifications and requested some additional documentation that we need to confirm the balances. We did receive the documents that we requested last week and we'll be reviewing that this week and we'll be conforming with the changes and just to make sure that everything looks okay. And once that is done, we'll be reviewing the final draft, which will be provided to us once the second draft has been reviewed. Do we have any questions?

Perfect, thank you.

Well done. All right, go ahead, Councillor Gordon.

Thank you, Ash. i appreciate the update we're looking forward to being able to review our first audit uh can you explain if the city was providing information in a timely manner how come it took six months to get here as opposed to i believe we were promised 60 days can you can you help us understand how that occurred yes so um when we were there when we signed a contract and i was actually there um

In 2020, it was last year or year before to gather the documents and we were notified that we did not have any documents ready to be reviewed. And we just recently got the information and the final and the drafted financial statements to review. And we just also received the additional documents today to make sure we are reviewing those and making sure it conformed to the balances. So we did not receive the information until very recently. We have been updating. We have been sending emails and being in communication just to make sure we are able to complete the audit if we received any documentation in a timely manner.

Thank you. I understand. So it looks like we're about to receive 2022 shortly. Do you think we could receive or do you have an estimate on when we can clear our backlog? So we've got 2023, 2024, 2025. What does the next six months look like?

It just depends. Like I'm pretty sure we are for the current audit that we are auditing right now for 20, I believe we are doing 22. We are about 80% done reviewing and getting, you know, to a point where we can get this process moving forward. I always say that the first audit that we do, it always takes a little more time. But once we have this first audit done, and depending on how much the next year audit and the documentation is ready and available for us, we can pretty much quickly do a quick turnaround. Our process is that once we receive all the documents, including the trial balance, the final trial balance, and the first draft. We normally try to get the audit out within 60 days.

Any other questions?

Are there any findings on the 2022 audit?

Right now we're still trying to review that piece of it, but there have been finding in last two years and we have to review those and to make sure the recommendation that was in the prior audit report is being followed. So we are still reviewing those and as far as it looks into single audit, yes, there'll be findings in the single audit area.

Thank you.

Thanks. Anybody else? All right. Thank you for joining. Another question. We'll move on to staff reports. And thank you. So first up, we'll have Robin with library.

Good evening, Mayor, Council, Robin Doty, Director of Library and Administrative Services. The library is doing great.

Summer Reading Program 2026 is doing wonderfully. We have a program in the Barenbole Park today, but I don't have anything else to add to my report this evening.

I think that's all. Any questions, comments? All right. Thank you, Robin. I meant to keep or.

Or.

Evening, Mary, helpful and Riley, chief of police department. What do you add to my report? So bring your questions to them.

Questions, comments. So all to say friending is down this year over last year. observations as to why, I'm just curious.

No, it's really difficult to look back a whole year. I'm not sure who put together, I can talk with the prior chief about who put together the staff reports, but I tend to prefer to look month by month. It's a little easier to tell what trends are monthly rather than looking back for a whole year. So it's difficult to say where the numbers, especially when the numbers are as far off as they are. Yeah, I would experience.

And also the next time you do this, I'll just all leave, but I was kind of setting you up because, gee, sorry, Ben is in the room. It was definitely not all me. Say again? It was definitely not all me. All right. No, I was just curious because it looked like month over month they were down. It looked suspiciously down, so I was like, well, that's weird, but I didn't really have a reason. I was curious.

Yeah, the numbers are quite different than last year, but they're not a lot different than they have in the last few months. Okay, that makes sense.

All right, I was just curious. I didn't having concern about it, just didn't understand it. So I thought I'd ask.

I'm just wondering if you have an update on the squatters that were in this right now area.

I'm sorry, on what?

The squatters. Sorry.

Squatters? I haven't heard of squatters in the regular. All right. So if you come on emergency, if you have a problem, Northland Police will take care of it. I'll be happy to look it up. I will look to see if there's a record of that. Do you happen to know how that information was taken to the police department?

I just heard it in this venue a couple of times that there's a squatter issue in that area. So I don't know where it is exactly, but I thought you guys were all aware of it.

I was told firsthand through a fire resident living in one of the townhouses being seen in the apartment. So it's allegedly within that area.

Okay. It's When you're hearing this sort of information, it's really helpful for the information to get to me either through non-urban students who have done an actual call or they can email me directly. It can also be, I get emails all sorts of ways. They go to the city, they go, if anyone can get that information directly to me and then I can source it out and I can keep along.

My understanding is it was called in and there was some frontline action in town.

I'm happy to have, I can have dispatch look up the area and look for, calls that would match that. And I can look into that part of it.

Yeah. Anything else? All right. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Next up is Dustin. And let me just say my compliments to my session. Amazing.

I got one.

Thanks.

Here we go.

The Council of the United public works director, I do not have anything else to add to my counselor for or my Friday five. Questions questions for all the workers.

By group, and you, thank you very much. Next, we have grown and filming and really Brian those are.

Good evening, Council. I have nothing to add to my planning staff report at this time.

Good evening. For the engineering side, I don't have anything else to add unless there's questions.

I don't have any questions. Again, thank you to all city staff for your very thorough reports. I didn't have any questions, but I just wanted to really recognize Rowan and Robin for their participation during the OPP Think Out Loud presentation last week. I just want to say I wish you could just write all of my text for me because you have a very clear and concise way of explaining things. So great job. Thank you, counselor.

when you finally build finance.

Sorry. Thank you. So this edition of the monthly financial report is actually the inaugural version done by Marina. I didn't see anything terribly unusual month over month. So I don't think there's anything else to add. I think Matt is on if there are any super detailed questions, but by and large, stand for questions between the two of us. Council? Yeah.

All right. The report looks great. Thank you. All right. Next up, I have a resolution. So I have resolution 2351 for the FY2027 fee schedule. And as he's on your back of the group is over your authority that's what the committee including all of you so I just want to make a motion on 3 that the one she said the resolution.

Also report should move to a tough resolution on 3 that one schedule resolution.

Yes, we're going to move through the country that one of us. Stapp, Also, you are saying all seconds counts regard a second all those in favor of the resolution 2351 adopting get way 2027 he scheduled say hi hi all those. Stapp, Ocean carries. Stapp, All right, next. Stapp, Next we have 2353 job planner job description in motion.

I move to adopt resolution 2353 to authorize the creation of a planner job description.

I have a motion to approve 2353. Is there a second?

I would move that we table this until we have products.

There's a motion on the table. Do you have a second? The second motion is to vote. Hearing no second motion dies as reported on.

I would move that we table resolution 2353 until after our audit is complete.

I don't believe you can be that specific, but I will allow a motion to table. Now they'll need to come up in the next meeting.

Okay. Since it, uh, since the motion didn't get a second, all was drama. Okay.

So I will entertain a motion.

Councilor Ugarte, I move to adopt Resolution 2353 to authorize the creation of a Planner Dog Discursion.

Okay. Councilor Ugarte again moves to adopt 2353. Is there a second? Okay. Hearing none, motion does not pass. So if I have no other motions, we will need to bring this up under Unfinished Business at the next meeting. Okay. So next we want to finish business you to be happy and representation of the as we have work session, I don't believe in the year, but I'm sort of or you don't think that. So now we move on to the event. We have an applicant so I want to counsel on the process. We can move forward officially. Um, you may choose to, I, I do not have a vote council will vote. Um, I will vote in case of a time and. Oh, council may either interview all candidates, some candidates, no candidates. They may offer counts or candidates a short statement. Um, so I leave the council what you want to do, but I will remind you that there's 10 candidates. So, and many of them have appeared before. So I would counsel like to proceed and I will need consensus. even if there's a majority.

I would make a motion, Councillor Webber, that each of them... Just tell me what you want. Could we get five minutes to everybody? We have all read your statements, but maybe just a little bit of a summary. Where are you on wanting to be on council? I think the biggest thing going on is growth, maybe a little bit. Where are you on the whole growth discussion? But Whatever you'd like to do in five minutes. Anybody else?

I suggest three minutes. All right. I've got a five-minute suggestion and a three-minute statement suggestion. Anything else?

I don't agree.

I've got a second. Another three. That counts regardless.

Considering the rapid turnover we have had on council, I don't think this is a decision that we should be rushing. And I think that we should be at five minutes.

Okay.

I'm going to agree.

I've got three for three and two for five. Can we settle on somewhere in the middle? Four.

Four minutes. Great. That's fine. Again, I think that this cannot be a rash decision.

Okay. So I'm just going to go down and over. I'm going to call the candidates up. I'm going to ask you to please come up to the main and we'll give you four minutes. And I will hold you to that so that we can do the process. So Uh, sorry. If I vote your name, please forgive me. I think it's both. Okay. Sorry. Are you online in person?

I am online. Um, I apologize because I've also lost my voice. So if it's a little bit difficult to hear me, I will do my best to speak up, but my voice is a little bit choppy.

That's okay. Just do your best.

And then I'm sorry, you guys just wanted me to touch on the growth issue. That's what.

Just four minutes to think about whatever you'd like, counselor, whoever wanted to talk about growth, but this is your format. So it's up to you.

Okay. So my name is Elizabeth Bopane. I am a resident in North Plains and I also own a business in North Plains. So I've been trying to actually be on the meetings, um, that have been transpiring lately just because there is a huge issue and I feel like there's a really large divide in North Plains right now regarding the urban growth. I really want to encourage and I've been encouraging neighbors, residents to be more involved because this is our town and I chose to move here and set my roots down. I've been here for five years. I have two kids here that I have been raising and I opened a business that is heavily community based. I am not against growth, but I do think there's a lot of things that I see as a business owner and I see as a resident that I do think need to be addressed before we jump into a huge growth expansion. There are just, I think there should be policies and procedures in place that are very clear that are written out and there shouldn't be so much gray area and I would love to be part of that and helping try to either write that or shape that so that we as a community can grow in the right direction. I think we all know that transparency is so important and I don't want anybody to ever come to these meetings and feel like we aren't being transparent. So being able to provide proper documentation, all of the audit reports, all of that should be accessible to our community so everybody can make the proper decision as a team. I understand that council is the final say right now on the urban growth. So all of us should be able to come together and have really good constructive conversations to address such a large matter. You know, 533 acres is not a small growth. You know, that's a really large growth. And I think it should be broken up into smaller steps. That's my personal opinion. opinion and I'm happy to collaborate with council members on how we can set the city up to be ready for a growth that size or a growth smaller or whatever is best for our city and make sure that people are aware. I don't know if there's a better way of communicating it to people whether we're more active on social media or going door to door but This is something that's going to impact all of us. And my big focus is to really bring the community together and take that divide away. Thank you.

Thank you. Okay. Next up, I have Lisa Bright. Want to come up?

Hello, my name is Lisa Fry. I am a resident of the city of North Plains and I live here in this downtown area. I am currently a member of the Economic Development Commission and have been on that commission since it was founded in 2018. And I'm also on the budget committee and I am the volunteer coordinator for the North Plains Events Association that does great events like you saw the council here doing a few weeks ago at Ice Cream Social and Garland Fest, Jingle Parade, things like that, events that really bring the community together. I submitted my application for, and actually I filled many of the things that Elizabeth said, because I know this is not an easy job and it is something that really requires some commitment and it requires some training. And I am willing to contribute if i'm selected and that i have a little bit of experience at least in the city and understanding and knowing some of you i've worked with all of you to some degree and even and committed to learning those things that i don't know because i know there are a lot of rules and procedures that are necessary when you're on a city council and running the city in in terms of questions just briefly on the growth since counselor weber suggested that i And I know we are at a really challenging point. And it is hard for me to see these new businesses that we wanted to come so much to North Plains so we don't have to travel outside and get food or other services, that they are struggling. And one of my huge priorities is to try to find a way to support those businesses and to figure out what that means in terms of health. What do we need to do to make sure even the existing businesses can remain and stay functional? And I've heard from a lot of others that we would like a few more businesses like that grocery store that we keep helping more. And what does that mean? What do we have to do as a city, as a council in terms of growth to make sure we can have those businesses survive and bring more? And on top of that, I will echo what one of the community members said last week is that We do want to be conscious about planning ahead and plan for a future instead of having a mishmash of whatever develops to at least have some control as a city over our destiny and where things end up. And if you don't want to have your house built by a cigar burrito, then let's plan for that. Let's make sure that we can put the businesses that are like together and put residential together and let's do that as a community so we can control and have a say in our future. It's easy to think that 20 years is going to be here any day. It's not. It will take time for us to grow out, but I would really like to see us to be thoughtful in terms of planning and also in home changes that we need to make sure that the The types of business and housing that we want and that the area that we want them to be as a city. And I know growth is the one thing you mentioned, but I liked a few other things that come to mind, especially working on the economic development committee. Like Elizabeth, I think transparency really is important. That as a city, if we have questions that come up, to do our very best to answer those questions for our residents. And if we can't, to tell them why we can't, if we don't have the data or what the data is that we don't have access to. Just do our best that we can to answer the questions that were being asked by our city. And another point too, I'd like to see is how can we cooperate with our commissions even better as a city? How we have all these great bodies, all these volunteers, we're all volunteers in this city. How can we cooperate more?

Thank you.

You're welcome.

All right, next is Goodwin. I see it is Ariel online. There.

All right, Ariel Goodwin, former mayor, you guys all know me and you've heard me talk off the cuff 20. So it's been a long hot day. I have a few things that I'm going to read. And if you guys have any questions for me, I'd really love to answer them as well. I'm seeking appointment back to the city council because I remain committed to the direction voters asked me to help lead. I'm now in a stable place health-wise where I can serve effectively in a collaborative role. I previously served as mayor and stepped away due to a significant health issue that's now well managed, and I live with a chronic disability that's stable and allows me to contribute in a meaningful but measured way. I'm here because our city is in the middle of major long-term decisions. I believe continuity, accountability, and follow-through matter. My focus is on collaboration, execution, and helping turn plans into visible progress residents can actually see. I'm not here for conflict. I'm here to do the work, move things forward, and help rebuild trust through results. The most important issue we're facing right now is how we grow while preserving what makes North Plains a place people value. That includes land use and long-term planning, but also livability, infrastructure, services, and smart use of existing tools like urban renewal. Just as important is rebuilding trust. Residents want to see that their input matters and that local government can deliver results. That means clearer communication, better engagement, and small, visible steps that build confidence over time. We start small. To make progress, we focus on what's achievable now. We use existing tools and resources before creating new ones. We define success clearly and measure it. We communicate progress consistently and small wins build trust. Trust allows bigger work later. Residents want to see that their input matters. We need multiple ways to engage people, not just formal meetings. We need clear feedback loops so people can see how input influence decisions. And we need to communicate decisions in a way that's clear, accessible, and consistent. I'm in a stable place health-wise and able to serve responsibly again. I would not step into this role if I could not do it reliably. This is the right time for me personally and the right time for the city. I believe we move forward by doing the work, communicating clearly, and showing residents results they can see. I'm here to help, guys. Only you can decide if that's what you want. There are some other really great people in the room and some other folks that I wouldn't support. So that's why I'm here offering my help. people chose me in the last election, and I'd like to follow through on that commitment now that I can. But that's not in my control, and I'm at peace either way. Best of luck, everybody.

Thank you. Next is Cindy.

Cindy had something come up. Family-wise, she'll be in towards the end, probably. We'll open the bumper a lot.

Phone or slide?

Okay. My name is Colleen Rosano. I'm a resident of North Plains. I have been for eight years. I fell in love with this city even before I became a resident.

But my daughter... Colleen, can you speak into the microphone, please?

I don't think it's...

There's a green.

There's a green? Okay. You just need to tilt it down and pull it closer now.

Like this?

Yes. Can you hear me now better? A little closer.

Yes, of course. Shall I start over again? Go ahead. My name is Pauline Rosado. I am a resident of North Plains. I've been here for eight years. I fell in love with the city long before I became a resident when my daughter bought her home in North Plains. I have seen it grow and wanted to be part of its growth. The question comes to mind, maybe being on the city council is what I want to do. Far too long, not everybody is represented, and it's time to make a change. Making sure the bills I help pass is good for all, from bright grandparents to tiny babies. I want our city to grow in a sensible and sustainable way to make sure that we have good safety measures such as police, fire, and disaster relief. I would love to see more commercial business, such as pharmacy, grocery store, and even transportation for seniors to catch And it will take them to Hillsboro to a transit center so they can catch transit to go to doctors, dentists, and other stores and not have to wait for three hours to get back to North Plains. I know it takes money and time, but if we can make a start, it would be great. We need growth, no doubt about it. And if I can be part of it, it would be wonderful. I have many interests and qualifications. I have knowledge of Robert's rule of order, I have been president to many PTAs, worked with presidents and vice presidents of Modesto Junior College to make sure that those students were able to finish classes they needed to graduate. I have worked with superintendents of schools from elementary to high school. I know how to make good decisions and to make sure that the money that is allocated was spent in the best way. I was secretary to San Benito County PTA from Seaside to Hollister, California. I was president to district association committee from North Carolina preschool and early entrance kindergarten. I was on the budget committee and accreditation committee at Modesto Junior College. I have been booster president to Tillman School in Modesto, California. I know it's up to you and it's your decision of who you want as a counselor. I am just happy that I got a chance to express my views and qualifications. I appreciate your time and your consideration. Thank you.

Thank you. All right, next we have, sorry, Jason Rustin.

All right, we've got the green light on. You guys hear me? There you go. Hi, my name is Jason Rustin, North Plains resident. Been here since 2016, so our kids have gone through grade school, middle school, and everyone gets ready to graduate. We're going to go here pretty quick. I'm not going to go through and say that we all know that it's growth, right? That's what everyone's fighting about. It's not a question of if we grow, it's a question of how we grow. You get a lot of people that are at odds. And listening to just some of the sessions, going back to the notes, listening to what was going on over at the OPB session, you get a lot of acrimony going. And I honestly don't think anyone here is trying to be a bad guy. I don't think anyone's trying to do wrong by North Plains. I think that you just got a bunch of competing. And you've got a bunch of different opinions. And there's not a real clear path forward. This is what I do. So you've all read my resume. You've read what I put in there. I'm a program manager. I roll out programs globally. It's what I do. I've done it for 10 years. And I've got a pretty basic approach. I generally get sent in at work with something. The results are not meeting the target and the expectations. My job is to go in. It's to diagnose it. It's to put together a team. And it's to come up with a recovery plan to get us back on track. I think we're in need to grow. What the right mix is, I don't know what it is. I don't think it's straight industrial. I don't think it's just straight residential. It's going to be a mix. But it seems like the foundation is not there. We don't have the financials in order. We don't have a clear plan. We don't have good communication from what I can see on this. And that's leading to a bunch of problems. And that's where I live. That is what I do. This is something my wife and I, we're committed to North Plains. Like I said, we've been here for 10 years. We've been hearing about a grocery store for 10 years. And that doesn't seem like that should be such a big ask to get a grocery store in here. But I don't know why we haven't. But this is something, these problems are all solved. You just need a group of people that's willing to commit willing to commit to a strategy moving forward, execute, and communicate. Because the communication, I think, is probably the biggest gap we have in the OPB thing. When they're saying, hey, we communicate, very few people raised their hands and said that, hey, we think the communication is good. That is an easy win as to how to start building confidence back again with the community. And that's what I do. So anyone has any questions? They have to go ahead and answer.

Thank you. All right. Thanks, sir. Next up, Russ Sheldon.

Mayor Dunbrough and different councilors. I DIDN'T PUT A WHOLE LOT IN MY APPLICATION BECAUSE YOU ALL KNOW WHAT MY EXPERIENCE IS AND HAS BEEN. I'VE GIVEN YEARS AND YEARS OF SERVICE EXEMPLARY SERVICE. AND UNTIL I HEARD THE ANNOUNCEMENT TONIGHT, I THOUGHT I COULD PROBABLY WORK WITH YOU FOLKS. PUT MY HAND OUT BECAUSE I DO HAVE EXPERIENCE AND YOU LACK A LOT OF EXPERIENCE. You don't have reference, historical reference. Some of you haven't even been here for 10 years. And I'm extremely disappointed in your action to dismiss the city manager. Essentially not carrying forward that. And there's going to be clinical consequences for that. It's unfortunate because you've allowed Linda Gallus-Merton to bully Bill Reed. That's unacceptable. It's inexcusable. And you're not representing the best interest of this community. So therefore, I'm withdrawing my application. Okay, thank you.

You can step down then. We'll go on to the next candidate. This town needs an interval. Thank you. Next up is Mike Schurz. Mike Schurz.

Mayor, counselors, my name is Mike Schurz. Oh, it's the blue. Pull it forward. Better? Yeah. My name is Mike Schurz. Some of you know me because I've spoke at city council meetings before. I've lived here for over nine years. I've lived in this area for over 20. I believe I know and understand what the city council actually has for a vision of our town. And I'd like to work with you to fulfill that vision. And now I know that the citizens and the city is not always aligned. Mostly because of this new GB thing, it has created a big mistrust of the community. And I think that I feel that if I'm in there, I can help bring that trust back. And that way we can be aligned with the community again and work towards common good. Um, I'm not opposed to growth. there are things that we need. I think we should have some sort of beautification program to make the city look pretty and nice and attractive for businesses to want to come in. And we need that, and I think it's wanted. I also know that this city, we spoke about it tonight, The city's finances are in shambles. They're in arrears. And a city is basically a business. A business cannot run effectively or efficiently if it doesn't know what's going on with its finances. I believe that the city needs to be more transparent. That's what's going to bring trust back from the people. Let's do a growth in a smart way. I've heard somebody say, start small. Yeah, start small and smart and grow. I help a few businesses in town. I'm on call at the food bank. They call me whenever they need somebody or driver or just help. If I'm available, I go. I've been helping the North Plains market for years. Even my kids have helped out there when the business owner needs help. I've tried to find different ways to help the city. I joined Strong Towns. I just recently joined the North Plains Business Alliance. To find ways to help beautify the businesses that we do have here, it's going to help them prosper and grow. And I think we need a lot of that. And there's A lot of planning involved in it, but I think we can do it, but it's got to be done smart. I also know as a general contractor, I've been a general contractor for over 30 years. I have run multi-million dollar businesses before. I found that doing that, if you find something that's not working, change it until it does work. Now I lost my train of thought. Sorry. Some of our city codes are outdated. I know we have a problem coming up because it wasn't addressed before the plan came through and we're going to have problems. Some of our city codes need to be changed and updated. Some of them are confusing. And I'd like to bring that experience to the city council. So I'm here to work with you, but mostly I'm here to hopefully bring the citizens and the city back together so that we can grow and be proud of the town that we have.

Thank you.

That's fine. Thank you.

All right. Next, I believe it is Anise Lamont. Hope I said that right. Yeah.

Good evening, Council. I'm Anish Zaman. I'm a Prince resident. I'm engaged in public affairs and policy. I have also gone to several organizations here in Oregon for policy development. I'm also a librarian. So I submitted my application to join the Council because I want to help the in solving the problems that the city is facing, because I want North Plains to be a smarter, a safer city that is economically self-sufficient and progressive. I also want to contribute in planning the sustainable development of the city keeping the small town characteristics alive. The two aspects I want to pursue, that's why I want to join the council. One is the innovation in the policy, because for city like North Plains, a small city, being the neighbor of the large cities, it has challenges. Again, it has enormous potential in this. So I believe that the innovation should be the key for the city development. If we can develop innovative policies that can eliminate a lot of shortcomings, the growth is one element of the city development, but it cannot be the sole one. because otherwise the biggest city would be the prosperous city, not the small city. But we see the opposite. So I want to join to bring the innovation and I have that experience in working with a different organization and my academic background. And the second aspect I want to pursue joining the city council is to promote the passive, not passive, the active community engagement. because we need to hear from the residents and we need to understand their feelings about the city's future because this is their city this is our city and we want to integrate uh integrate them with the policy making each policy should be backed up by their consensus by their body and i think uh For that reason, not only the city council itself, I'll try to promote all the committee and the commission that also take the same steps to create a space for the residents to participate in decision-making because there are many challenges not only facing today's including financial crisis, but the main, challenges that making a consensus decision about the future of the city. And that required the participation of all the residents. And I think because the time is critical, our future generation will be more smart than us. They will have, their life will be more dynamic. And if we cannot make our city dynamic and progressive and the first part of them will not be able to cope up with that one. So with that aim, I want to, I have submitted my application to work with the city. And as I have said that I have the experience of working with those things. You said that I'm also a mediator and public observer. So I can bring that experience on the table of the council to help the council to resolve some of the disputes in the council government.

Thank you. Thank you. That's fine. All right and last news.

You mean you're never going to have members.

All right.

Thank you for this opportunity. So as we have all heard tonight, our claims is at a critical point for facing growth and complex financial decisions that will shape our community for decades to come. After attending a Urban Growth Foundry discussion, it became clear to me that we needed thoughtful analysis, transparency, and long-term visions, which are essential as we move forward. As some of you know, I was born and raised here, so that makes 54 years I've lived here. And so I went to school here. Now as I look at my grandchildren enjoying our parks and schools, I find myself reflecting on how much this city means to me. My grandparents were the ones that moved here originally. My parents lived here, and I live here, and now my son is going to be building a house here soon. I care deeply about where North Plains is headed but also about honoring where we have come from because I have seen the growth that's been here since I was a little kid and we were surrounded by fields and that's no longer the case. This is a community built on hard work, connection, and pride and I want to ensure it continues to grow responsibly and sustainably. I believe that local government is strongest when it is when it's accessible, transparent, and focused on long-term health of our community, rather than the short-term pressures of the day. Regarding the most important issues facing our city, my focus is clear, ensuring community growth is thoughtful, well-planned, and supported by long-term financial stability. Aligning development with the city's capacity to fund infrastructure and essential services. Maintaining timely audits, accurate financial reporting, and strong grant management, as well as continuing to pursue funding opportunities that support our strategic priorities. Preserving public trust through transparency, accountability, and effective communication. My background in finance has taught me that the best decisions are made when the process is clear. I support efforts that improve efficiency, but we must ensure that such tools serve to enhance, not obscure, our accountability to the voters. We owe the residents of North Plains clarity in how we arrive at our decisions, especially during difficult deliberations. I bring over 18 years of experience in public accounting and finance, including deep expertise in budgeting, compliance, audits, and grants. This is not just a career for me. It is a discipline of accuracy and integrity. I offer a commitment to objective, data-driven analysis to help this council make hard decisions with confidence. I understand that a council member's job is to represent the people, to ask the tough questions, and to ensure that every dollar of taxpayer money is managed with the foresight our city deserves. I am ready to step in, hit the ground running, and work collaboratively with each of you to ensure North Plains remains a vibrant place for my grandchildren and yours to grow within. Thank you for your time, your service to the city, and considering my application to serve on the city council. I also want to say that no matter if I get this appointment or not, I will continue to stay involved with the city because it's important to me. Thank you.

Thank you. And I'm going to give Cindy one more opportunity online. He just texted it. Okay. Yeah. I mean, she hasn't texted again. Yeah. I just want to make sure we gave her a fair opportunity. No, I appreciate it. But everybody at this point knows Cindy. Um, he does love her community. So at this time, I'm going to remind council of the procedures and I'll take any questions and then we'll move on to the voting. Uh, Laurie, are we doing paper again? Okay. I thought so. I want to make sure. Um, so the process is, uh, each counselor can either nominate for a second, but not both. And if a nomination does not get a second, it dies. And then once we have all the nominations, we'll be able to vote by paper ballot, which Lori will elect, and that was the idea. So are there any questions on the process before we move on? Is that pretty clear? Should be by now. All right, so with that, I will open it up for nominations.

I'm sorry you got a I'm to dominate you suffering to the City Council appointment.

I can't regard you know it's the surprise of a second. Are there any of the nominees.

I'm going to get on here and to nominate Jason rusted.

And I have a nomination for Jason rose to go second. Now for whatever the second man. And so over so it's okay, but in the nominations.

What's on the board and I would like to nominate my shirts.

And I'm using her shirt like shirts. I don't second.

I'm sorry for your second.

They can sort of or second so the nominees are arresting and shirts of Oregon, you have some about the police.

But.

That's where you got a vote for rest in. That's a warning 10 votes for Mike shirts. Councilor DeForge votes for Mike Schertz. Councilor Weber votes for Jason Rustin. Councilor Hagedorn votes for Jason Rustin.

Okay.

Thank you. So by my count, Jason Rustin is the next city councilor. I believe he's sworn in on the 6th? Is that right? 10th. 10th? So thank you to all. And as a reminder, for those who were not selected, there is an election in the fall. And I believe the final deadline is August 15th, if I recall correctly. And it's posted online. And thank you, everyone. We appreciate it. All right. Next item, audit update. We just did that. Sorry. We did that. Bill had requested, because of a timing issue, we can move that up. So we agreed to do that. Um, so that is done unless there's the other debate on that. Oh, sorry. Um, um, many council rules. I received an email from the city attorney, um, and the decision, or I'm sorry. And the city attorney did not get that completed. So it's council good with, um, postponing that till the 6th.

Thank you.

Okay. And now we move on to new business. Parliamentary discussion. So who wants to take this one?

Hi, Councilor Higgins. I'll start. I think the idea of hiring a parliamentarian would be just temporary, a temporary three-month pilot only. It wouldn't be deemed as a permanent position, but rather helping us to ensure consistency, efficiency, and confidence in meeting procedures. And so I believe the ask if the Council has consent, this is for staff to return with options for a three-month pilot, including scope, qualification, and domestic costs.

What does the Council want to do?

Councillor Garting, I am curious what the desired outcome would be for hiring a parliamentarian and what opportunities are existing right now to suggest this?

Well.

However, I would favor. Asking our attorney Emily she could come back with the name and a price tag for what it would cost. I like the idea of having a parliamentarian because sometimes we're not quite sure how we should be doing things and it will be able to speed things up. We're going to get bogged down. You know we've had a few things times in the past so I would They were having that voice of wisdom at the table and if it's not very expensive trying it for a few months, I think we'll be able to experience.

Absolutely. I would support freedom of parliament or any option.

I would support that as well, but I'm wondering if we could start that once again, the actual signature.

I would like an answer to Councilor Garci's question. What are we trying to accomplish? Because we're going to spend money that should be raised for it. So I don't think we've got an answer on what we're trying to accomplish.

I think it's pretty clear, Mayor, Councilor Hagedorn here. I mean, it's establishing some consistency and confidence as well as transparency and procedures. I think that we have had some It comes from the past, and this would just be a temporary way to establish a baseline of confidence for us to move forward in a smooth fashion. This would not be a replacement to the city attorney staff or mayor. It would just be an interim process.

Councilor Ugarte. So my follow-up question to that is, what is the desired outcome after the three months? What would success look like? And what does that parliamentary then proceeding to teach us as the council, because I think to Councilor Weber's point, timeliness is an opportunity for this body, and it's not often due to procedures, it's due to having to backfill previous information that's in public record, and it's due to me having to continually have a back and forth debate that's not substantial, it's not productive. In my opinion, I do not feel like we need to have a parliamentarian. I think that Mayor Dunbrough is very concise with meetings. I think that he keeps us on track. And it is really this body that gets in its own way from having an efficient and timely meeting that delivers results. Thank you.

Just an alternative option. At some point, we're going to do an off-site. So would the council be...

uh agreeable to doing a training during that or is it something council wants to do during council meetings uh counselor if you get on here i think the ask is pretty lightweight um doing some like some research staff returning with some options and actual costs i know we're um cost sensitive right now um but i would say it doesn't hurt to investigate it and provide us with some options and trace points and that's the actual ask

HAB-Terry Palmos- Okay, I mean, I think we have we have more than are in agreement less consensus, by definition, so. HAB-Terry Palmos- So work with staff to get that added to a future agenda item come back with us and we will discuss under. HAB-Terry Palmos- unfinished business at a meeting, thank you. And just a point of order and this was my fault when I reviewed I did not access and send it to build on the report we did leave out. City Council reports that you can't warrant him or bring up my attention so we will have that in the city manager and we're doing it for me that there was a mistake I didn't that over you but we're going to move on to fill your city manager.

What is going on here?

Sorry, the settings are botched. We lost Elle. Yeah. Okay, city manager report. This will be my last city council meeting. So I just wanted to say number one, it's always great to have a job. So thank you to be able to work for you and work with you on things. It's been a privilege to work in New Orleans for a number of years now from starting three weeks before the COVID shutdown, figuring out a buy local club to try to keep businesses and keep people shopping in local businesses through very scary economic times. and really only losing one business to early retirement. And then just kind of working through a bunch of different things over the years. And what I want to point out are a couple of things. Number one, this community has a lot of really wonderful people. It's a small community. It's heavily, heavily driven by volunteers. We have a lot of organizations, a lot of events, a lot of different things that happen in this community that really are just blood, sweat, and tears of volunteers. And I really hope moving forward through the controversial growth topic or whatever else you work through, please continue to work through and cultivate more volunteers from the community. We've had a lot of houses added, a lot of new people who are showing up even to apply to be on city council. And I think you have a really vast well of talent of great people who have moved here and continue to kind of to grow the body of volunteers that make everything happen from sports committees, city council, everything. So a lot of great people in the community. The other thing I would say is that the city of North Plains, to borrow a phrase used recently by somebody, very much the staff punches above their weight. The city's managed to luck out with hire after hire over the last few years. And they do a heck of a lot of good work on lean resources, relatively speaking, and do the best with taxpayer money that they can. And staff gets a lot of really good things in terms of service and community service for residents. So I just want to say it's been a pleasure and an honor to work with staff. that we have. So hang on to them and keep them. They really do a good job. Beyond that, thank you, everyone. I think Robin's going to be a great acting city manager for a little bit until you get an interim. And, you know, thank you. That's all I can say. Appreciate it. Thank you, Bill.

Okay. For Councilman Horton, I know you're a little under the weather. Do you You have anything about that.

I have a couple of things. I have an execution meeting tomorrow at the library. I went to the UGB meeting from 6 to noon. There was some problems with the audio, so it was hard to hear. Attending an ice cream social was a lot of fun. Had a scooper, had a good time there with music. I was able to join the planning and council and join UGB on 6-10 from here and got to hear everybody's feedback on that, which was very interesting. And I did also attend that OPB think out loud in, you know, say I'm going to say it wrong because I always thought it was Affamante, but it isn't something else. Thank you. And so I did a few things in the last two weeks. I'd also like to see if we can add an agenda item for a co-week discussion because we were bouncing that back and forth between us and the Planning Commission. So I'm not sure.

So just point of clarification, that's actually already been sent to Planning Commission and staff. So when they come back to us, then we'll have another work session.

Does staff have it now?

Planning Commission. As it wasn't going to make sure that we're going to be able to look at that base.

Yeah, there's a problem there. I think you're going to think they have it either.

Whoever the exhibition natural planning Commission. That's going to work. So that's what we're going to address the most. I wish me.

I'm sorry that's right.

I'm sorry.

Stacey Freedman- And I can't wait to get on here. I do want to echo the sentiment from counselor warrant and the ice cream social is lovely. Stacey Freedman- And I'm still trying to figure out why the vanilla would not melt and it was rock hard despite sitting in the sun. So that was a mystery to me. Stacey Freedman- But thank you for hosting that was a great event North Plains events as an association. I just need to hang tight and come back after duties and actually have some ice cream next year. Um, planning that attended the exit as ex-officio for the planning commission, as counselor Warrington highlighted, there was a little bit of confusion as to path forward on packaging up the, um, code. I believe there was a continued discussion plan for the return in mid July after, uh, Rome's, uh, extended, um, uh, with the absence. And then as official duties, I've got this week for WACA. We've got a, that new budget approval discussion as well as an executive session. And that would be it.

Sorry, I don't want to interrupt you. That was unintentional. It was kind of a council report, but thank you. for being prepared. Councillor DeForge.

Thank you, Mayor. Councillor DeForge here. I guess my one suggestion to the team would be to get together to put a common understanding of the city's legal activity and expenses. I think that was things that we had discussed, but we hadn't put it on the calendar. And I just wanted to bring that up again.

That would be a strategy. at request of staff support.

Yeah, I think the last time we discussed it, the executive session was recommended, but I'm open to anything. I just want to make sure that we're...

I will talk to the city attorney if there's consensus. Is everybody? Yes. Thank you, sir. So I will talk to the attorney, and there will be a feature session. If they're executive or not, I will have to let her make that comment. Anything else? Nothing. Councilor, are you ready?

I'm so you're going to have a pretty light as officio duties, but I didn't have any for the city, I did recently attend the policy advisory board that was a really brief meeting. And thank you again to everyone that came to the ice cream social event association that just all the volunteers associated creating that I think that event is exactly what. defines North Plains in the sense of community and people are coming together and they're enjoying and relieving the drama and disagreement out the door. So I just really want to say thank you to all the organizers for that. I also wanted to get some clarification, and this might be a conversation with Emily later, but I wanted to clarify that when, as city councilors, we attend a meeting, let's say, um, that we are not creating a quorum and a meeting that comes before us, um, before we attend. My question is we should not be creating a quorum if it is something that could be discussed later. So such as the OPB think out loud meeting. And this is the question I have for Emily. I don't know if she's online.

She's not, but I hear your question because I think we had a question about this previously.

Correct. And my understanding is, you know, let's say the ice cream is social, right? We're not being presented information that we might have to deliberate or make a decision on later. So that was appropriate. However, if we're attending a UGB PAC meeting or a OPB think out loud session, that's where I feel like there might be some confusion amongst council.

So... I would, we will have to check with Emily because that is legal. So is Council good with, Councilor Papin, I'd like to go ahead and ask if Councilor Papin can reach out to Emily directly since she has the question and it would be easier than me trying to translate. Is everybody good with that?

Councilor Warren, I did talk to Emily before I went to the OPB just to make sure I could go and what I could go as. So I emailed her and asked if I could attend and what if other counselors showed up, what would happen? So she directed me that I could go, it was fine, to let the staff know prior to the event that I was there in the capacity of a citizen, even though I'm a citizen attending, I'm not going to have opinions, I'm not going to ask questions. So there wasn't any problems with it as long as I went in that fashion. So that's what Emily might have, you know, if you'd like to move forward.

Please don't because then you'll create a quorum.

Okay.

All right. Well, thank you for the fun.

And I appreciate that. I appreciate that. I think that contradicts some of the previous legal counsel that we have received. So that's why I was hoping to clarify, but I will email Emily and ask her to include a response to all of counsel. And with that, I just want to close and just say thank you to city staff. Like truly, What Bill had mentioned earlier, you are the unsung hero. There is so much behind the scenes work that none of us truly know. We don't know a day in your life. And I just want to say thank you because you keep for me going. And I also want to say thank you to Bill for your service here. I have thoroughly enjoyed just learning all of the expansive things that we've covered the last six years. And I hope nothing for the best for you.

All right comes over.

Also ever I attended another couple of Mac meetings or since the metropolitan area. Communication Council that deals with things like Comcast and where we get our streaming bills. Most of our meetings have still been executive session so not much to say about that but it's an interesting important area for cities. I've enjoyed kind of learning also attended Economic Commission and the Parks and Rec boards. In both cases, nothing dramatic to report except both groups are working hard to look for ways to help our city in any way they can. And really enjoyed the ice cream social, just a wonderful, fun social movement. So that was wonderful. And I would echo.

Thank you, Bill. Thank you. Hey, and for mine, I had no explicit duties since the last council meeting. I did attend the ice cream social where I learned that I'm terrible scooping ice cream because I probably gave away way too much. But I did want to say thank you to the NPEA and in particular Lisa because she did a good job of organizing this and making sure I showed up where I was supposed to be on time, which is not always easy. And we had a lot of fun. And I particularly liked the music. I thought it was really good. And it was fun having live band. And a lot of people were very... grateful to be able to come out, put their differences aside, and just be neighbors. So I thought that was awesome. It made me feel good about North Plains. I did want to bring up Meredith Falk and Joyce Reynolds' comment about the picture of Jesse Mays. And I have no idea, but I think this goes to Parks Board. Okay, so Carsport, you'll get, if you can work with, I'd like to see you in the back. If you can work with Meredith and Joseph. I was gonna say, if you could work with them, honestly, I'm not really 100% sure how that would work, but we'll figure something out. And I think it's an awesome idea because I actually got to spend some time with, is it Ernie or Elmer? Sorry. Elmer, thank you. I got to spend some time with him at the Garlic Festival and he's hard to miss because he just tells you a lot of good stories. And I like good stories. Um, and then the other thing. Oh, I will be out next week. So Council President Hagedorn will be running, I'm sorry, next meeting. So Council President Hagedorn will be, uh, running the meeting. So, uh, best of luck. And, uh, I just wanted to say to Bill and staff, thank you. Uh, Bill, it's been a pleasure working with you. Um, you, you and I spent a lot of time together trying to figure stuff out over some, uh, interesting times. So I, I really do appreciate it. And, um, You're a good teacher, and I'm grateful. So thank you, and thank you, staff. Again, as Councilor Evangelista-Garcia said, nobody realizes what goes on behind the scenes. And sometimes the only reason that the city's not falling apart, well, actually, all the time, is because staff is up there doing crazy miracles to make it work. And then finally, to Dustin. See here.

All right.

I'm going to go with Eleanor. But I did mustache. It was awesome. All right. And I think, Councilor Garcia, you have one more.

Yeah, I think you have to be very great. I think I actually forgot about the Jesse Mays clock. So thank you for bringing that up. I also wanted to bring up the discussion and clarify that to see if we could add adding with the planner position to the next council agenda if there's consensus to discuss that.

I think it goes to unfinished business automatically because we Okay, perfect.

Thank you.

Thank you. Okay. So for as far as meetings, you all have the calendar. Don't forget the first is canceled. They're going to be DC. But there are, you do have a couple of meetings on the calendar. So make sure you attend those. Like I said, I will be out celebrating my anniversary. So I will not even be. So if you need something called council president. And with that, is there anything else that I missed? All right. In record time, we are adjourned at 8.32.

Thank you.