Planning and Zoning Commission - Regular Meeting

e e e call to order and roll call chair Goss present um commissioner McCoy here commissioner sarkeesian here commissioner sixa here commissioner Noble is excused commissioner Waters and uh Vice chair swap are excused we have a quorum thank you all right let's all stand for the Pledge of Allegiance I pledge aliance to the pledge of the United States of America and to the rep for it stands one nation God indiv liy and justice for all thank you you may be seated welcome to the city of Kingman meeting of the Planning and Zoning commission for

Wednesday March 12th 2025 uh our first order of business is the approval of minutes this is the regular meeting minutes of the Planning and Zoning commission for February 12th 2025 do I have a motion to approve I'll make a motion to approve second we have a motion and a second can I get a roll call Vote Yes chair chair gos approved commissioner McCoy yes commissioner sarkeesian approved and commissioner sixa approved thank you all right next we have a call to the public for comments those wishing to address the commission should fill out request forms in advance comments to the public will be restricted to items not on the agenda with the exception of those on the consent agenda there will be no comments allowed that advertise for a particular person or group comments should be limited to no longer than 3 minutes the commission may not respond to speakers during the call to public the commission may direct the staff to study the matter or request that the matter be placed on a future agenda um so this section is for General comments this is not for any of the items that we have coming up so if anybody has any general comments they can approach the podium all right I don't see any so I'm going to close that um now we're going to start on our action items for tonight the first one is sb22 d006 this is the central subdivision track 654 a preliminary Subdivision plat for Central subdivision track 605 4 to create 84 single family residential lots on approximately 19.13 Acres zoned residential single family 6,000 squ ft minimum lot size that's R16 the residential manufactured home 6,000 squ ft minimum lot size that's R mh6 located north of walpi

Mountain Road on West of Central Street APN 321 d11 d115 321 d11 d114 applicant Civil Works engineering LLC for C AJ reality reality 4th LLC do we have a presentation from staff commissioner gos just if I can real quick with respect to Commissioners in we did receive additional correspondence on this particular item that was received after the staff report was completed those items have been placed before each of the Commissioners this evening for consideration thank you good evening Madam chair Commissioners I'm presenting case sb22 d006 for you this evening sorry this is a preliminary plat for Central subdivision track 6054 the subject site is located north of w Mountain Road and West of Central Street as you can see from the aerial photo the site is primarily surrounded by residential subdivisions of similar character to that of the proposal before you this evening it is also in close proximity to walapai elementary school in Kingman Fire Station Number Four the subject site contains two different zoning designations the Eastern portion of the site is zoned R16 which aligns with the zoning of the subdivision to the east the the Western portion of the site is zoned rh6 which aligns with the zoning of the subdivision to the West the existing zoning designation seems to have generated a majority of the concerns posed by neighboring Property Owners while the existing zoning of RMH 6 would

allow for the use of manufactured homes it is not the developer intent to allow for manufactured homes within the subdivision the intent is to develop the Lots with site-built single family homes furthermore a condition has been added to the plat that would restrict the placement of a manufactured home on lots that are less than 100 ft in length which I believe would eliminate all but four Lots from allowing that use I believe it is also important to note that there are two different two sorry two adjacent subdivisions and a manufactured home park to the east with rh6 zoning there are several other zoning designations in the area all of which are residential including RR to the South and r18 to the north the preliminary plat is comprised of approximately 19.13 acres to be subdivided into 84 lots and five Parcels including five Street extensions and two new cue saacs the site was annexed into the city in 1982 by ordinance number 443 and zoned RR at the time a rezone occurred in 2006 that designated the site or a portion thereof as R16 review of historical zoning maps and other documents provided limited and potentially conflicting information regarding the current zoning of the site but based on the city GIS zoning map and the zoning appears to be both rh6 and R16 as such the project was designed and all noticing included the two zoning designations both zoning designations require a minimum of 6,000 squ ft per lot and the general plan 2040 designates the site as medium density residential which allows 3 to8 dwelling units per acre as proposed the project results in a density of 4.6 dwelling units per acre the preliminary plat is shown here with the access points highlighted in

red overall analysis of the proposal meets the development standards outlined in the zoning code and the subdivision ordinance it falls in line with the goals and policies of the 20 240 General plan it facilitates promotes residential development that is in harmony with the surrounding area it fa it facilitates development of adjacent roadways which further improves the city's circulation Network and it will not be detrimental to the public interest health safety convenience or welfare of the city and will add to the public good as described in the general plan staff has added five conditions of approval to this preliminary plat as outlined in the staff report one of which prevents the placement of manufactured homes on Lots less than 100 ft in length staff has received agency comments which were incorporated into the staff report and project was noticed in accordance with state and local requirements six emails have been received in opposition to this proposal of which the primary concern was placement of manufactured homes on Lots within the subdivision four of the letters were included in your packets and two additional emails were given to you here tonight staff has also received several phone inquiries and met with concerned residents at the counter based on the findings contained within the staff report and conditions of approval 1-5 SB 22-6 should be recommended by the Planning and Zoning commission for approval by the mayor and city council any questions or comments um I have one question just to clarify so um they are allow to put manufactured homes based on the zoning but they don't intend to do so is that correct although there is R rh6 zoning would allow for that use

but there is a condition that's placed on the approval of this plat and on the plat itself that states that no manufactured homes would be allowed on lots that are less than 100 ft in length and again there's only four lots that would exceed 100 feet in length that are within the rh6 Zone portion but I do not believe it's the developer intent to okay so and if we do put that condition on them then they are technically not allowed to then do so correct correct okay thank you all right thank you so much chair girl commission just to add to that the only way that could be lifted if it does get imposed this evening based on the conditions that have been written for this project is they would have to come back and repat the project subject to a whole new public hearing okay awesome thank you Jason um does anybody else have any questions for staff no I do sorry we have one more question for you one question so what's the average size of each lot or the length of each lot uh 40 feet 50 feet across what is that per building site most lots are just under 100 feet in length and I do have information about 97 and 1/2 ft 97 and2 so and it's not the developers intent to put any manufactured housing into this entire subdivision correct correct and if we tonight approve the subdivision with the CET that no manufactured houses will be put in the subdivision then that's the way it is correct just so I'm clear okay thank you great thank you and I have one more okay Mr mcoy has a question also this parcel plat shows parcel e dedicated to the city of

Kingman is that just basically open space park space or is it a drainage or what is those will function as retention basins okay thank you all right do we have any more questions no all right um I am going to open it up for um public comment um let me just throw a few things out there since there's so many of you guys in the room um first off is that we do have a three minute limit and you're only allowed to come up to the podium and speak once so um make sure that when you do come up that you let us know all the things you have for us because I can't call you up multiple multiple times um also we do just have general rules of politeness that need to be followed um with this many people in the room sometimes politeness goes out the window um but we we do request that you guys remain polite and courteous and if you do want to cheer for each other um I'm happy for you um but it keeps it so that we can't hear so try to keep your applause for each other's comments to a minimum um so that being said I'm going to call you up in the order of just the sheets that I have in front of me just to keep it simple um and so that I can make any notes that I need to and then if anyone wants to speak who hasn't turned one of these in I will give that as a option at the end okay all right so first we have um Donna Ro and sorry if I ruin your name but feel free to come up to the podium tell us your name and then you get three minutes um good evening um Madame chairperson and commission um my name is Donna robless please speak in the microphone thank you hello my name is Donna roess good evening um commission board um yeah

I'm concerned about this because fact is I can you hear me now okay um I built we built our home over two decades ago and we were assured that the area surrounding us would remain acre lots um right now little by little it is it has dwindled down and Central and wapi are very busy Southern is very busy I don't see any City improvements on the road at all and I know we've been asking that for several years and the fact that um now they want to do it because they want to add more houses well this is going to impact trash I was already told that our trash may go down to once a week instead of two times a week and this is not going this most definitely will impact it you know know on our infrastructure so I don't see why we should have why can't they go build in other places they're down Stockton Hill there's down um Route 66 there's all kinds of other areas why do they have to start building there then you have also the houses that they're trying to build right there on the corner of of Central and W walpi so that's just it's going to be a nightmare um I I did not sign up for that like I said we built our house over two de decades ago and we were assured that all that stuff would not we would not be getting a bunch of little houses uh built all around us my property value is going to go down and you know we my husband and I worked hard for several years to build our home and not to have it come down in in price value uh because they want to add more stuff you know um I don't think angle you know angle home should be able to just go out and do all this stuff um without consens consensus from um

citizens thank you very [Applause] much all right next I have George Maga uh the only question that I had was uh because I've heard uh statements to the effect that um uh the Builder had no intentions of uh putting mobile homes on any of the Lots um even though that they were zoned for it and I heard someone speaking about something about 100 ft but I couldn't he clearly what exactly they were saying uh I guess as as a a secondary requirement on the mobile homes uh could you we don't interact with the staff in the public hearing part State your questions so here here's what what we're going to do just to keep it simple um when you guys come up if you do have any questions um we note them down and then Jason deals with a lot of them at the end um but you guys just come up and let us know your concerns and then we will have somebody come back and address them okay well then let me rephrase my question um if I purchase a lot in this new development um and a year year and a half down the road uh I want to bring uh my mobile home from Parker up here and put it on that lot what's to stop me okay so we'll we will definitely like take that down and then we'll have somebody respond back at the end okay oh okay thank you but if you have anything else you want to let me know you still have a few minutes left no okay thank you okay next I have Gary Wetmore

good evening Council I have a few questions the one is uh first one is is a developer Paving improving Ken between central and indigo are they paying for that and the next question is I'd like to know what the easan is distance from Karen Avenue Edge to the fence line on Courtney Avenue is where I live and a third question is a public report is there a public report available for this subdivision and fourth are the is there going to be any two-story homes or are they one-story homes and that's my questions thank you great thank you so much all right next I have not sure but maybe Mike manx all right you let us know what your name is for Real when you get up here I'm Mike McAvoy okay and I've been in this city about five years and I was in Lake Habu before that and when I came here I was told by an angle home rep that that property was part of their Ang their homes well obviously it's not so I'm going to kind of stray from that our city always is complaining complaining about the water that's all I hear when I was in havu for 10 years that's all I heard was water Mojave County has a water problem this isn't doing anything for the water problem so I'm going to switch to crime rate crime rate in and I'm going to start with Habu is 18.95 per th residents Bullhead City 24.5

per th000 residents Kingman 46.9 per 1,000 residents I feel that the police department needs to take care of all our problems with all the property damage and all the stuff that goes on around here they can do it if havu and Bullhead can do it I think we can do it as far as I had a fire on my street one of the garages officer was down Police Department or the fire department was super they got there they got the garage fire out and they had one of those cops standing around doing nothing not there wasn't a crowd control problem there wasn't any problems yet he just stood there and he's the same guy that uh happened to go next door of my house when I had a a small claims lawsuit going and the lady wouldn't shut her dogs up and Carl had to make a new rule about barking dogs but again Chief Rusty Cooper never came back and shored things up with me and it still goes on the judge made her move a fence farther on the other side and she doesn't do it she just doesn't do it she doesn't follow the law can I take her back for contempt yeah but I'm tired of fighting with her so I just feel that there should be a good followup with the crime in this city and let's get the crime down before we add more people and yes I'm against the the new housing my question is somebody going to buy it because it's lower cost and then rent it out we're going to have a bunch of renters people that buy their houses keep their houses much nicer so that's all I've got for you and thank you thank you all right next I have valy Panagopoulos

I grew up in Buffalo New York so yeah good evening Madam chair and commission board my first concern is the surrounding properties being depreciated my first concern is the surrounding properties and the depreciation is there going to be an HOA are there a number of these properties that are being set aside for low-income housing which is again going to be a problem to depreciate everyone in the surrounding area what is the price range of these homes uh I'm pretty sure the prefab homes depreciate but what is the depreciation rate of them and again how is that going to affect our stick built houses um the intent is to not let mobile homes come in there but that's a pretty vague statement because when somebody comes in and says they have the intent to not allow it that's not black and white that's not concrete and then before you know it we're going to have mobile homes in there anyway and then it's for sure going to depreciate our values can we just get um you guys being a little bit more quiet out there that way we can hear the person who's speaking thank you so should I repeat anything NOP just your last sentence please okay the last thing is that the intent to not have mobile homes come in there was pretty vague in my opinion and so before you know it the intent goes where is it in black and white is it in concrete or pretty soon we're going to have the mobile homes come in there and then our property values are going to depreciate anyway thank you thank [Applause] you what's your guest Henry how

about Henry Harry Elman okay there we go thank you good evening my name is Harry alenick I live in 2390 Steamboat Drive Kingman and I just came to express my displeasure about the new development that the what you want to put in here manufactured house is absolutely unacceptable that that was is in congruous with the rest of the neighborhood will bring the property values down even small houses on small Lots $6,000 square foot Lots is unacceptable because the vast majority of the property over there is one4 acre and above I live on a half acre lot myself and what are you going to do angle's putting in somewhere close to 800 houses in that area in the next few years all of these all the traffic is going to dump out along Central Yavapai and probably uh senica going on to w p Mountain Road which is narrower than my driveway and uh what are we going to do about things like green space you know none of these projects have any green space there's no you know they're knocking out all the desert uh natural habitat and just putting houses in there it's not Affair to anybody that lives in the area to put these you know these smaller houses and smaller Lots which like I say is in congruous for what the rest of the rest of the property owners have just not fair um anyway like I say we got an issue I really believe that the uh developers like angle and whoever it is is putting this project in should be responsible for improving the infrastructure meaning the roads you like I say you going to we put put all these new houses in angle's doing 800 so we're looking at this new number probably closer to 900 which will figure about somewhere close to 2,000 trips a day down those roads which they the roads absolutely can't handle that so my request is make the uh the developers if they want to build fix the roads while they're at it anyway that's about my two cents worth and I appreciate your time have a good evening thank

you I just want to tell you you are a fabulous fast clear speaker all right next we have Marcy Chase good evening I'm Marcy Chase I live on Cherry Avenue so I'm super close right across from where it's supposed to be built in the in a dreaded angle home um a few of my concerns one is I hear manufactured home but then I'm hearing no not really if it's under a certain footage I'd like to be very clear as far as what type of homes are going to be built on these Lots what are the different styles the size I believe it was valer that mentioned the similar and I I highly agree with what she said what what are we looking at what type of models what what are these homes like um I come from uh Colorado I moved here a couple years ago ago we were in new new construction as well uh they brought Habitat for Humanity in in a section and built right next to the new construction and a lot of the existing areas and I can't even begin to tell you what it did it destroyed the entire area destroyed it uh my husband and I as soon as we started reading what this was about went into Red Alert we this is our first time attending a meeting like this because we've seen it before so um definitely have some concerns when we came here two kingmen and decided to live here the area that we looked at and we looked at a lot of areas in Kingman and one of the reasons we chose the area we did was because of the people and the homes and the upkeep I don't want to live in

Birdland and I'm going to straight out tell you that okay b b land is a hell hole as far as I'm concerned it's like nothing I've ever seen and I certainly do not want to pay taxes nor do I want to live next to it that's why I picked where I picked to live so I want to be very clear on what can go in there if the Builder changes their minds what are they allowed to do you know once we as a city commit to this uh and if I forget what my husband asked me to ask I'll be in trouble but he want wants to know about will there be added lights and stop signs for the additional amount of traffic to be expected and I have 30 seconds left and I'm going to say thank you very much for letting me speak have a good evening great thank [Applause] you all right we have Lisa Picard hi I have a few things Ken's going to go through um we have the walpy elementary school right there you cannot get through there when school is in session or out even though they put no parking signs people parked there I had to call 911 for someone on my street they could not get through because there was motor homes there was and I know there's a new law but I don't know what's happening with that and I myself had my house built there for a reason I don't want to be around manufactured homes or that and I want to know what they're going to do about Karen because we already have people flying through the stop signs they don't stop and you can't even get a firetruck in there if people on the sides of the street so then we're going to have all these people coming through Karen which they do now so I want to make sure that and I am totally

against manufactured homes I had my home built there for a reason and not to be by manufactured homes so I'm really upset so I need reassurance whatever that those aren't going to happen and that something's going to go on with Karen because that is a danger for all those kids they cross the street there's no crosswalk down further and people fly through the stop signs so that's that's all I have so I appreciate it I'm not going to take the whole three minutes okay well thank you very much thank [Applause] you next we we have uh Bill Gillard maybe what do you think I think I said it Clos okay maybe they left um okay so I have everybody that requested to speak does anybody else want to come up and address the commission hey commissioner this is uh Jed can you hear me oh sure hey how's it going uh I'm sorry I can't I could be there uh yeah so this is jet I'm the project engineer um I I've heard everybody talking about manufactured housing the developer does not plan to to do manufactured housing uh that it's just zoned as manufactured housing there's a lot of the subdivisions in that area that are zoned that way also um the size of the lot for the manufactured house uh is 6,000 square feet it doesn't it doesn't make any sense to put a manufacturer homeb on a lot that's 6,000 square feet when you can put a a stick built house on the on the lot and make more

money I understand everybody's you know saying that it's going to depreciate their home values but there is no intent to uh create a subdivision with manufactured homes under this uh pre plat um I sent you guys a letter kind of highlighting where the manufactured zoning is in relation to the subdivision the manufactured zoning is where all the retention basins are for the most part so you wouldn't actually be able to construct manufactured home homes within the RMH uh zoning on as as far as the project goes it wouldn't be uh that's where the the storm flows go for um you know runoffs there's four Lots in the South Southwest Corner that I think I highlight them on on the uh the letter that I sent you there's four lots that are partially zoned R RMH and uh they so half is RMH half is RC six so you you wouldn't be able to put a manufactured home on on those lots either in addition uh like Amy stated uh RMH zoning requires 100 foot lot there aren't any 100 foot Lots they're all like 99.5 99.6 except for those four in the South southwest corner so I don't know if you guys have any questions or if we need to clarify anything you know from the development side but there is no intention and under this pre-at it's like Jason said if if we wanted to do manufactured homes in this area we would have

to redraw and go through the review process again for a completely different subdivision this subdivision is only for single family homes so I'll leave it at that unless you guys have any questions for me okay thank you J um can you just hang on for a little bit unless until um we do the commission discussion in case anyone has any questions for you there yeah I'm I'm driving and I just got out of the mountains so I think I'm good but I may lose you okay great thanks so much all right all right does anybody else want to come up okay uh how about we go with you because you're the only one on that side good evening thank you very much for the opportunity to speak I have one question my name is Sarah kleene I live on Amanda I have one question for you guys and that's it if as this gentleman said the paperwork said her presentation said that there will be no intent for a manufactured home why is the wording there thank you very much for the opportunity thank [Applause] you all right um whoever wants to come up next you can Neil McDonald and this is angle project too angle home building this I'm pretty sure no is it K Canyon State this property is not commissioner well the last I was to probably back out of a discussion once again 6,000 foot Lots so we can't we can't actually like talk to

you unfortunately all the questions have to be like saved till the end but so you can tell us what you have to tell us 6,000 square foot Lots if you want a pool forget it you don't you can't get one in and last meeting I was at you said that you know we want to get doctors and everything in here business people they don't want 6,000 foot Lots they want bigger ones and we were told also where we live what was going to go somewhere and that wasn't true so you can't go on anything you know what I mean we're we're talking to you here and it's like we're all wasting time it's going to be approved I know it because that's one other meeting I saw it but thanks for your time that's it yes thank you come hello I'm Sandra Wetmore um I live adjacent to the property in fact my uh the back of my house faces that property um yeah the issue some of the issues I have is that Karen's already in deplorable condition if you drive down Karen Avenue from we have people driving on the dirt behind us all the time so I'm kind of looking forward to it being improved and it's also been used as a ATV Mo uh Motocross Racetrack and there's I've come to C City Council meetings before to complain about it because there's actual tracks back there you can look on the gis and you'll see it but I I have i' would like to know who's improving Central and because Central is not completely improved it's only improved on one side Karen's not improved improved at all so I want to know who's improving Karen is it the developer or is it the city and then I

want to know how much easement is behind my block wall because if you go down Karen Avenue where the school is there's maybe 2 feet from the block wall and the road so I want to know if that's going to continue 2 feet behind my block wall to the road and um the 6,000 foot Lots no there's I saw the planning and zoning map I'm a real estate agent there's no 6,000 foot Lots around there fips Ranch has 8,000 minimum to 10 to 12 and above us is half acre lots acre lots 7500 to 8,000 foot Lots I don't know where the 6,000 foot lots are but we don't have any that's all thank you come on up uh my name is Don Fox hey uh bad idea this is a bad idea I don't see anybody here clapping for 6,000 foot Lots this is ridiculous I don't know where the hell this idea came up but here's the thing you guys are going to probably you're going to try to put houses in wood siding wood siding takes 3 to 5 years to deteriorate you know with the sun weather uh stucco maybe 5 to 10 years but that's what we're talking about 6,000 F foot it just it's unacceptable so anyway uh I'm I'm just like uh 99.9% of the people here bad idea thank [Applause] you all right any more

you've got a couple back there and then we'll jump up to you next hello hello Commissioners I'm dougl from dtl homes and dtl Enterprises this is my name is Anette Johansson I'm one of the members of C uh for LLC which is helping to develop the land with so we're the developers we're not angle homes as the big mystery is so oh sorry we uh we're the de the mystery developer Builder so Our intention is fully to build single family homes we have no intention of putting mobile homes there I mean honestly so say still let me just let me just tell you guys so you can talk to us yeah register things in um you can't talk to them oh okay I'm talking to you tell us tell us what you have to tell us and then yeah so U our yeah Our intention up there is uh single family homes uh we build we've built about 200 homes in Kingman and it's just us detail homes and CJ realy there's no nobody else involved nobody mystery people um no angle homes no angle homes so that's it we were just introducing ourselves if we have any questions for you guys then we will for sure make sure that we address them to you yep great thank you all right your next um my name is Jack going ety I live at 2369 inle Street which is right on the corner of Karen uh that open land out there I don't know how many times just uh changed hands it'd be nice if they made Property Owners fence off their property because we we've had a freeway coming across that lot in April of

2018 I had my house crash into somebody cutting across the field so you know $155,000 damage course we have prop you know we have insurance but still um nothing but that that corner no stop signs when I moved in in late 17 at that at that home there were two stop signs one went away and then the other one went away now it's like people going around the corner like like it's an nd500 or something a NASCAR um we really you know I'm not so much against single family homes as as I'm against manufactured homes that will sink our value like in the toilet um the folks whose backyards face that field the vehicles coming across that field dumping dirt in their yard in their G down in the backyards I were them I'd say finish Karen out take it all the way to Central but we don't need four streets coming going from well five streets going from in Indigo to Central five streets porn onto our one which is a halfly developed street that that that that's kind of ridiculous but you know I know it's all about money it would be great if they can forget about money fence that property off and let folks W walk their dogs and stuff like that you know have Trails walk and everything that's all I have to say thank [Applause] you thank you all right do we have any more comments from the public all right I don't see any so what I'm going to do is I'm going to close the public hearing and I'm going to open

it or the public comment and open it up for commission discussion um before I do that though Carl can we get um well actually let me go to Jason first um Jason could you respond to some of these comments for us um just to give people a heads up on um some of the things that you're doing from that perspective commissioner commission yes I will if I can defer to Carl so he can give a little bit of background real quick I'm going to pull up the presentation so I can utilize it for reference purposes okay thank you so well he's doing that um for those that don't know out in the audience I'm the City attorney I provide legal advice to the council and the the boards and commissions uh one thing we need to be clear about is what is a preliminary plat what is the requirements of these commissions what is requirements of the council to move forward uh the first thing we want to look at is currently this property already is zoned uh the rm6 and the R16 so those are zonings what that means is the developer the proper owner has the right to build in those conditions so what they're doing so they have the right to put in mobile home if they want to or a manufactured home so what they're doing at this point is submitting a preliminary plat which sets out what the the layout of that Pro that subdivision is going to be the role of the the commission as well as the council is we are in what's called a ministerial act so ministerial act means you're going to review these these applications and these applications are going to have certain requirements by Statute city code the zoning code whatever building codes all in line so if they meet these requirements then the council doesn't have an option the commission doesn't have an option this is a ministerial

Duty you need to approve this because they have the right to do these buildings so what we're doing here is just trying to get what the layout is and and and say knowing how we're going to move forward with that project how they're going to move forward with that project so when we come here the staff is going to do is review this application make sure it's in compliance with all our codes and regulations if so that's what they're going to tell you and then at that point you will either approve it which technically you have to do if you were to deny it you would have to come up with an explicit reason what violation of our code there is uh Jason would be able to explain whether that's accurate or not but ultimately that's something that the staff have already reviewed so I know some of these folks out here are going to say yeah you're going to approve it if they're in compliance you're going to approve it so that's a short just to clarify Carl um so what you're saying is that just be if I don't want manufactured homes in that area that is I am legally not allowed correct to say you're not approved because I don't want that to happen because they have a right to do that corre they have a right to do that but my understanding is through this application process there will be a condition that there won't be any correct so my options would actually be things like taking it out that says that they couldn't have manufactured homes like those would be options that were available to me not telling them they weren't allowed to have it because I corre okay all right thank you Carl yes ma'am thank you commission so if I can I want to go back I put this slide back up specifically so we could actually demonstrate that part of this project site is already designated rh6 so it would allow for mobile home park development or mobile homes to be developed on the project

site as it stands today uh as the applicant has indicated only the very Westerly portion of this project site would be subject to that zoning the applicant has designed their subdivision tonight to actually have retention basins in that location with the exception of four Lots with respect to the zoning itself this zoning took place back in 2006 so this is not something that was coming before this commission or the city council in the last 10 15 plus years this was changed back in 2006 prior to that it was zoned RR and uh that's when it came in from the county I know there's been some discussion in property in regards to property values I can't speak to property values I can speak based on on my historical experience is when property gets developed the properties adjacent to it typically don't go down in value uh with respect to some of the other concerns I think we we've clearly addressed it manufactured homes are allowed as they are today this applicant is not proposing a manufactured home uh manufactured home type development they are willing to accept the condition that be placed on the plat uh that would prohibit them from doing manufactured homes on this project site uh furthermore should they ever decide to sell this project site or should somebody else want to come in and develop this site they would have to come back before a public hearing uh and I can tell you based on the zoning that's established on the project site the manufactured home portion would be limited only to that very Westerly portion of the project so it wouldn't actually yield a manufacturer home type subdivision with respect to Karen the applicant as part of this subdivision the applicant is proposing to improve Karen to its full Street widths uh they'll also be approving the streets within the subdivision and the those

adjoining it with the exception of Whit head to the South with respect to uh just looking at schools schools do their own sighting schools also do their own uh on-site circulation and pickup uh local jurisdictions have very little ex uh discretionary review over how schools plot their land as well as how they use it or where they put their pickups I can tell you our Public Works and our Traffic Safety Committee does meet on a regular basis we review the streets within the city of Kingman we re review the intersections and as it's warranted you'll end up seeing improvements such as stop signs or signals but they only will come typically online once they're warranted and that's based on a national traffic standard I think we've addressed the fact that this is not an angle homes development the 6,000 square foot the 6,000 foot is the lot size that's that is allowed by a minimum lot size so again as long as they're meeting the minimum lot area they are in compliance with the with the city's zoning code with respect to the types of homes the single story versus two story the architecture that's actually not not part of the purview this evening this is only the subdivision this is only to just subdivide and simply split the land to allow for future Home Development I know there's some discussion about utilizing the land for other purposes fence fence it off use it for dog park use it for you know leave it as rural uh Arizona is a property owner right State they have the right to develop this property in accordance with the zoning and that's what they're proposing to do this evening there was quite a few that were duplicate comments I think I've covered most of them if the commission has any additional questions I'm free to answer those can you put the preliminary plat up for me

please the big parcel there that's dedicated to the city of Kingman is a drainage parcel is that correct that is correct there's a total of five Parcels being dedicated to the city of Kingman for drainage purposes the larger one which is just a little bit right around an acre if I remember correctly is also dedicated it's one of their larger drainage retention basins and once it becomes the property of the city the city is going to maintain it that is correct better than the ones that they have now I can I can certainly speak to the fact that uh it is the direction that the city not maintain retention basins any longer uh there is a upcoming ordinance that will be coming before the city council that will actually change that but as it stands today these would be designated to the city of Kingman we would be maintaining them in accordance to the public works on how they currently maintain our Basin basically they'll just be Stone and that's about it no landscaping or this developer would be required to again improve it but improve it per today's standards there's no additional standards beyond that would require them to do utilize it for open space recreational amenities things of that nature okay and then one more question on Karen Avenue you say that developers supposed to improve it to full Street width I'm assuming that in curb gutter sidewalk all that I believe that is the case and I I know Doug is here and Jed is still on the phone to to confirm we might we might have lost J and that's only across his will be fully improved uh sidewalks curb gutter okay only across his Frontage correct well it's it's a the full 54t uh RightWay width it's a full Street Improvement it's not just on his side but it would be across only his Frontage it wouldn't include the spot where Karen

ends now and and then a dirt road and then an improved portion again uh Teran will be improved between central and indigo okay thank you thank you y uh Jason one question for you um the there's five conditions that go with this um can you pull up those conditions for us again okay and then the one about manufactured homes so it's condition number two that the manufacturer homes uh would only be permitted on Lots in the RMH st6 designation uh that do not have a depth of at least 100 feet per the city's current zoning and and that's just those four lots that are that's just the four Lots okay so when we approve them with these five conditions that condition will make sure that manufactured homes don't go in there that's correct okay thank you do we have any more questions one more okay is there a distinction between mobile homes manufactured homes prefab homes I think when uh Commissioners uh commissioner McCoy when you look at manufactured home manufactured home actually has a seal by the state so it is actually a pre-manufactured engineered home that can be brought onto the site mobile homes have a very similar designation they're utilized interchangeably I think when you get into is it a park model travel trailer tiny home those are all differentiated differently uh they're actually regulated as if they're a vehicle or a trailer okay so I'm I'm assuming that most people believe that we're they're what would might be allowed there would be the old mobile home instead of a manufactured home would be my guess Commissioners it's hard to say what they're thinking but that's my chair commissioner McCoy I would I would concur I I think when you look at it you

think about the the older you know single wide type units uh and again this is not a proposal for this particular project site should they have elected to retain the mobile home designation and try to build a mobile home on just that portion uh then you would be looking at you know a double wide type triple wide type manufactured home uh that resembles a stick frame home okay thank you all right any further questions for Jason no all right thank you so much thank you all right I am now going to open this up for uh commission discussion um if anybody has any questions during this portion for Carl um feel free to ask him as well or the builders or anything else or me I think it's been very clear that there will not be mobile mobile homes or manufactured homes or any kind of prefab home built here in this subdivision at all at any time while these guys are doing their projects so I'm clear right yes I just wanted to be crystal clear that there's not going to be any mobile homes manufactured homes or pref prefab homes built on in this subdivision by this Builder and developer do you want do you have a question for them or you just want to make that comment I'm making that comment okay

gentlemen all right um I then I guess um I'm gonna ask Annette Johansson to come up here one more time with her partner business partner absolutely her husband would her husband would kill me I'm I I make no relational connections at all uh um okay so I just wanted to double check with you guys after everything that you've heard here today um you have you don't intend to put manufactured homes let people drive their RV trailers and plunk them down on the grass um any of none of these things are what you intend to build and I guess with intention you're allowed to build with this caveat on there so um that is correct that you don't intend to do any of those things yes that's correct we build single family houses we don't build Halland mobile homes okay great I just wanted to ask one more time all right thank you so much don't run off oh hold on we have one more question for you you said dtl D dtl Enterprises or dtl HS you're building over off Fairfax that little subdivision in there yes okay yeah we're building in there currently and it it's a nice one too in Lacosta yes that's where we're building currently okay thank you all right any more questions for them no all right thank you guys so much all right thank you all right with that in mind do you guys have a motion to make if you do have a motion to make I just want you to make sure that you um include the five conditions that are up there in if that's what you want to do

I'll make a motion to approve SB 22- 00006 Central subdivision tra 6054 with the attached conditions great thank you do we have a second I second all right we have a motion in a second roll call vote chair gos approve uh commissioner McCoy approve commissioner sarkeesian approved commissioner sixa approved it's been approved great thank you very much and I wanted to say thank you to the people who came forward today um if you do have any further concerns feel free to stay until after and we can discuss them with you then all right next we have z25-z35 could

all right for the remaining people here including my own cute little daughter there in the front chair chair we do have one more item to hear yep thank you all right next we have z252 this is a Zone ordinance Amendment uh reduced front yard set back in the r- 1-20 zone this is a Zone text Amendment to the city of Kingman zoning code section 3 3-2 0.030 residential development standards and table 3-2 0.030 a development standards for R-1 and RR zones specifically the amendment reduces the minimum required front yard setback for property zoned R-1 D20 from 30 feet to 20 ft the applicant is the city of Kingman development services and looks like we have a presentation is that working correctly Ashley showing okay okay there we go well good evening Madam chair and Commissioners uh before you this evening is a proposed zoning code text amendment to update the front yard setbacks in residential Zone r120 from 30 to 20 ft this is zoning case z zo 25- 00002 in 2021 the current zoning code was adopted at which time the front yard setback for Zone r120 was changed from 20 to 30 ft it is unknown if the

consultant at the time made this change purposefully or if it was made in air however the change clearly did not consider the impact it would have on preliminary plats and other development proposals that were underway or already approved at the request of the development community staff researched this inconsistency and at the January 7th council meeting we received direction to bring back a city initiated text amendment to revert this setback from 30 to 20 feet we are here before you tonight to request your review of this amendment to The r120 Zone front setbacks staff does recommend the STA excuse me the text Amendment be recommended to city council for approval the amendment before you this evening specifically amends this table table 3-20 3.a in which a change of the front setback is the minimum excuse me changes the minimum front setback from 30 to 20 ft the proposed amendment allows the zoning code to better align with the needs of the development Community it provides consistency amongst property zoned r120 and facilitates development that allows for additional rear yard amenities such as patio covers detached garages pools and adus a public notice for this meeting and proposed amendment was advertised on February 19th and no comments from the public or other agencies and Department have been received staff does recommend the Planning and Zoning commission recommend approval to the mayor and city council based on the findings in the staff report and with that we'd be happy to answer any questions you may have thank you does anybody have questions for

staff one or two maybe the reasoning behind the original 30 foot setback I believe was because of the size of vehicles that are more commonplace in Kingman now than what they were when it was 20 ft and so the typical F-150 or F250 pickup truck today is about 19 ft 4 in long if you have a 20ft driveway you have no room to the street other than the sidewalk and sidewalks aren't required in r120 if I remember correctly I believe you're are correct J so you're by eliminating that 10 ft you're creating another problem 25 ft would be acceptable probably 20 ft in my estimation is nowhere near enough in half acre and above because of the vehicles they parked their travel trailers in the front yards in the driveways you get these big F250s F350s it it's just not going to work thank you sir and I don't know if the city has considered that or not if if this is just a builder issue as opposed to a public issue Jason I would defer to you on the history of that Commission chair commissioner McCoy with respect to the setback we looked at it from the the standpoint of historically it was the 30 or the 20 feet uh it was erroneously changed with the 2021 adoption of the

code and is what it did is it actually affected quite a few plats that were already uh proposed and approved and it put put the position of the staff in a in a position where we had to actually start granting variances for each of those lots in order for them to proceed forward so with that understanding that explanation without creating a lot of non-conforming lots uh with variances we brought this back to the council to seek direction to go back to the 30 ft or to maintain 20 and so what we're bringing before you today is the direction that we received which was to go and reduce it back to the 20 ft which was consistent with the original code prior to 2021 could you moving forward or going forward on new plats have a 25 30 foot setback as opposed to the 20 and anything that's pre-planted Remain the 20 and not create a paper problem Commissioners chair with respect to the the moving forward applicants have the ability to push their Lots back they can actually certainly increase that setback it's just maintaining the 20 foot setback that affects the current plats and and there are quite a few we have Legacy plats that go back to 2005 uh and prior to that would be affected as well so Jason uh let me ask you a quick question so in relation to this particular Zone ordinance Amendment if we don't think that this is enough space would it be a a better call to change this one back to 20 the way it was before and then ask for you know you guys to bring forward more information about setbacks or is this a time is this ordinance a good one to question whether

or not it should be more of a setback chair Commissioners I mean we can certainly bring back a discussion for setbacks if that's what the commission wants uh I can tell you from this perspective utilizing zoning to regulate what kind of vehicle or size of vehicle was never the intent of zoning the the intent of Z zoning and for and setbacks was to allow for a varied streetcape uh again having a minimum being able to increase the the setbacks the developers have that opportunity certainly if you're purchasing a home and you're driving a vehicle of an F350 size and you know you you end up with a 20 foot setback that that may not be the most desirable for you and the developers understand what that looks like more than from a staff perspective again I think going back to what the intent of zoning is and the intent of setbacks is to create a varied setback and I could just point out that would be a violation to have a vehicle encroach into the sidewalk or into the street where commissioner McCoy is talking about if it's too long again that goes back to enforcement which I understand that there's always questions about enforcement but it would it would be a violation so great thank you Carl and I I believe that setback is to the front of the house facing the street where in some instances the garage is set back just a little bit so in that case it would fit but um if if it's to the garage setb that's it is an issue thank you does anyone else have questions for staff no all right thank you so much thank you all right because this item requires a public hearing I'm going to open it up for um public comment if anybody has a comment if they want to come up and approach the podium and

state their name that would be great but I oh go ahead I don't know all this stuff but just come up and state your name for us again Neil McDonald but you know they keep talking to 6,000 foot lot now if you made them at least 8,000 you would have more room to put a bigger driveway in but they want to squish everything so much and there's so much land here I don't understand it and then last time I came it was affordable housing they want oh angle says we got to cut no don't me wrong I got an angle home and I love it and you know they do good for the community they donate 200 Grand to the new Playhouse so you know I don't have anything against angle we're just thinking how much do you need in Kingman Crossing where they approve 6,000 foot Lots say when we moved in they oh no that was going to be a Costco so we're never ever told the truth cuz they didn't know what it was anyways but just say we don't know you know I learned that years ago in the Marine Corps if you don't know the answer you say I don't know sir or ma'am in your case but this is what I mean everything's squishing how much more would it add to the house to make it an 8,000 foot lot I have a half acre honestly too big I don't want a pool back there I don't want to take care of a yard but that's what we got and it's nice the whole neighborhood loves it we all have quarter acre lots but shrinking it to 6,000 that's all I'm hearing earlier whoever doing these homes the angle homes and Kingman Crossing up the walpy last time I was here they said oh the walpy one of you up here the walpy was a jewel of Kingman now you want to put 6,000 ft Lots it's it's a jewel where people want to go that have money and plenty of people want to come here that have money they come from

California pay cash for a house they don't care they want a bigger yard they want to put their pools in so to me you know you want a little bit bigger like you said the Ford trucks and that all your trucks I don't have a truck I don't care but setting it back 25 foot even 30 like you say put the garage behind the house a little bit or make the lots a little a little bit bigger that's I mean to me it's just common sense but as soon as you start squishing and then another thing I haven't heard about all these Lots you're approving where's the schools I mean we have a school near us and I can't believe the traffic in the morning coming and going in the afternoon and I'm thinking there's no more room in the schools before we get more families in we need at least another school and then as far like I say affordable housing before now I know new Kingman isn't Kingman but if you gone out there and see how many houses are being built by angle I think it's uh H I don't want to say Champion something like that they're building them like crazy and they're all affordable housing that must mean I'm done huh at least you didn't shoot me but any house you know look at that in the Eastern Avenue thing they just did housing going right in there the old oneway streets there's a dozen houses going some of them have one car garage that's affordable house thank you all right do we have any more comments all right I see none all right I'm going to close the public comment section then and open it up for commission discussion well you know where I stand on the issue so yes I I don't favor 20 feet I would go 25 I prefer the 30 but

Jason can I ask you a quick question um so this this text amendment is going to put things from 30t back to 20 feet for the R1 RR zones um is that significantly smaller or larger than other zones chair commissioner so this would impact the r120 designation currently it's at 30 ft 30 ft is the same for a 1 acre lot or greater uh if you go down to an r10 an R8 lot those are all 20 feet so this would be consistent with an 8,000 foot lot a 10,000 foot lot and if approved this evening it would apply to the 20,000 foot or Halfacre Lots once you get above the half acre those are 30 foot setbacks great thank you all right what do you guys think so it's basically putting these guys a little bit underneath the acre lots this is for half acres mhm r10 yep and because of the size of vehicles and the size of travel trailers and things I I honestly don't believe 20 ft is Enough from the garage well I don't think we can probably request that they put the garage back further than the house we can't what do you think I think we had approve it is that your motion I can make a motion that we approve

Z2 ruce the front yard set back okay we have a motion do we have a second I second all right we have a motion and a second can I get a roll call vote chair gos I will approve commissioner McCoy deny Comm commissioner sarkeesian approve commissioner sixa I approve I think that approved great thank you very much all right do we have any further reports from staff on anything chair go Commissioners I just wanted to take a moment to let the public know as well as the Commissioners if there's any recommendations or thoughts or so forth but the city does have an open enrollment for our Citizen Academy so for the those that may be interested uh those from the public those that are listening uh that enrollment goes through uh I believe it is March 13th so the end of this week uh actually tomorrow is when it cuts off and the Citizen Academy will run March 26th through May 7th uh it's a series of sessions in which the citizens uh kind of group together and they come and Shadow each of the Departments and they get an understanding about how our budget Cycles work how our finance department works our fire department police department development services such as this evening dealing with everything from groundup building to the zoning and the subdivisions that take place prior to so for those that may have an interest in that and understanding really how the insides of the city operates on daily basis it's a great opportunity to G get that Insight so wanted to make that announcement to the commission but also to to the public so if anyone's interested you can obtain that application through the city clerk's office and question Jason um is there an age range that that is designated for is it most is it adults it's all adult

okay perfect thank you so much thank you question question that's okay um all right and then the next thing on the agenda I just have um to put out there is there any announcements from commission members on anything no all right great then I will motion to adjourn yes