Committee on Sustainability and Parks - Regular Meeting

What day is today? Thursday the 20th. This meeting is being held pursuant to KRS 61.826 and Council Rule 5A. We have three items on agenda. Two of them are being held and we only have a special discussion today in regards to the Louisville Loop. So we have anybody here to speak on that?

We do.

Can we get a name and everything for the record? Yeah.

I'm Wes Sidnor. I'm the Executive Director of Public Works.

My name's Jason Canuel, the Director at Louisville Parks and Recreation.

Awesome. Well, I'll start with there is a huge and excited team behind me that... And I don't think this is everyone, actually. So there is a lot of energy around the Louisville Loop. One of the things that a lot of us ask when we go into places is, first of all, are you aware of the Louisville Loop? I would hope that everyone on this committee and this council is aware of it. And not to jump ahead, but One of the things that we've done over the last, actually yesterday, was send out a survey through our networks about the public's awareness and engagement with the loop. And I think so far, About 24 hours in, we have close to 80 responses on that. So there's a lot of energy around how it's being used, what people want to see there, and just the connection of the loop and how people want to use that. So just a brief overview of the loop itself. Loop was envisioned as a 100-mile shared use path. It's a system, it's a network around the entire county, around the entire metro. There are some, you'll see from the map, there are some spurs to that, but the vision was to have this loop of, basically a loop of parks and trails around the entire metro area. It's designed for ADA accessibility. The loop is paved, provides plenty of space for amenities, running, walking, all kinds of activities. Trail system that spans a variety of landscapes, a variety of terrains, and there's a lot of connection. There are several communities, several council districts, I think it almost maybe not all, but almost every council district touches the loop or plan pieces of the loop in some way. And so, it's a community resource and a community amenity. And so, as evidenced by the folks behind me, there's a lot of attention and energy toward not just, taking care of what we have, but fulfilling that vision that is set out to complete the loop and have that across Metro. This is just a snapshot of the loop, both projects that have been completed, projects that are in planning, and then also some things that are underway right now. And we can share this as well as there is a website and dashboard that shows to the granular detail about where the status of different project segments are, different loop segments, and all kinds of information about what kind of amenity is, whether it's a shared use path or one of the other uses that comprise the loop. So I mentioned it's 100 miles of planned loop and planned trail. We're around 50 miles of that vision. And so a question that gets asked is why isn't it done yet? And so we'll get into some of the the planning and some of the details around that. A lot of the work that goes into building this system, we're using different funding sources and different, trying to leverage as much federal and basically federal money as we can. There are some parameters with that that we have to follow, but we want to leverage every single dollar of that kind that we can so that we're, you know, maximizing the amount of tax dollars that we're using to build the loop. So we have two projects that are currently under construction. One is the, it's the MET, the Middletown Eastwood Trail. You know, so several miles to connect basically the Parklands and eventually we'll get up to Old Shelbyville road on You know when this is fully fully completed and so Excited about this, you know, we have this this ongoing. It's again leveraging federal dollars and Proceeding on that another big one is the River Road widening that is a 30 plus year project that has been in planning and discussion, and so we are so excited, A, that the project is moving forward, that we have everything lined up, and in terms of funding and planning, and everything that we need to get this done, but another thing that we're excited about is that this allows us to complete a segment of the loop along River Road. I'm gonna hand it over to Jason to start talking about the forest.

Sure, so the southern portion of the loop, which is scheduled and designed, it'd be in design to go through Jefferson Memorial Forest. It starts down on Pendleton Road, goes up through the north across Mormon Hill, and eventually will tie all the way up to Pond Creek. Again, this longer section has been divided up into three individual sections, or four. Yeah, I think it's four, four different sections. Yep. But yeah, so like Wes was saying, this is huge. This is on property that's owned by Metro, so that kind of expedites the federal process a little bit because we do own the property. There's a handful of easements that we're still trying to negotiate and right-of-way issues, but for the vast majority... Putting a shared use path that's ADA accessible through Jefferson Memorial Forest is going to be huge. It is going to be amazing. I think Wes mentioned the different kinds of terrain and ecosystems that you'll, if you ride the loop, you can ride down next to the river and get those nice little floodplain views and then going through the forest and you're in a completely different environment and experience. So this is going to be great.

Yeah, so we've been talking about the loop for a very long time. Early 2000s, this concept really started to crystallize and come together. There was a master plan adopted in 2013, and then we've had some ebbs and flows in terms of momentum. But I can tell you that, again, the group behind me would support this that there is a ton of interest and excitement and internal momentum about getting as much done on the loop and maintaining the loop as much as we can, looking to leverage, like I said, federal funding. Jason mentioned some of the properties. If there's some quick wins in terms of or other partners that we can leverage, we're gonna be looking for those opportunities to try to maximize our investment in the loop and get as much done.

Yeah, let me touch on this real quick. I've been with Parks since 2010, so going on 17 years. I've been around the loop the entire time. The design of the loop in 2005 actually started just solely with the Parks Department. I think Public Works at that point in time had some hand in the actual construction, but the planning and design, a lot of that fell with the parks. The maintenance of the entire loop that we have is maintained by the Parks Department itself. And I do want to point out that 2025, that renewed momentum dot on this timeline, it's huge. What used to be three or four people that dealt with the loop as far as design is now the group you see behind me, which it's huge. We've got a lot of help from Public Works and other different departments. So there's a lot of hands now where they're not used to be, which is why we're seeing the momentum that we've got. So it's very appreciative of a lot of folks stepping up. A lot of that's due to a change in leadership, a change in administration, but we're thankful for the attention that it's getting. Yeah, absolutely.

And I think this speaks to that, this slide, just breaking up the work into different focus areas so that It's not so overwhelming of an endeavor that you can break out what's the maintenance look like, what does the community need, and what does the community want as far as loop amenities and locations. How are we most effectively maintaining it? And then what are we doing to look toward opportunities to fund to maintain this and sustain it?

So the maintenance of the loop falls on the Parks Department, and it kind of always has. I think one of the goals that we're trying to do with this is define clear maintenance practices. Just because we've always done it this way doesn't mean that that's the way we need to do it. So we've been reaching out to the group in Parklands at Floyd's Fork, that there's a section of the loop that goes through there as well, to find out what their maintenance standards are and how they do it compared to how we are. So we are trying to branch out and try to figure out what can we do better, what can we do differently to change that experience. I do want to mention our relationship with Public Works here lately. We've had some pavement issues, just general pavement, that normally the Parks Department would rely on a paving contractor to step up and help out when that would come out of our budget. Here more recently, just this week, there was a Public Works crew that actually helped us um with paving which up to prior to our uh change in momentum um really hasn't been that kind of collaboration so that's a huge thanks to public works and everybody really uh that like the group behind us with public works and swims has helped out um as long as our parks crew so it's huge and very thankful for the for the collaboration One of our priority areas, we do want to touch on that, there is a section of the loop that is closed between the Portland Wharf and Shawnee Golf Course. That was actually constructed near the riverbank and is extremely susceptible to flooding. It's been underwater numerous times. There's sections that have been washed out. There's been sections that have deteriorated. There's sections that are buried under three or four foot of sediment. So again, that is a section that we would love, and it's been closed as long as I've been here, so we would love to pay some attention to that and get that back open. So I mentioned the relationship and the collaboration that we've got with the Parklands. This chart here kind of shows the difference between the mileage that the Parklands has is 19.5. And we've got a total of 31. They've got a number of staff of 10. And we've got a staff of three. But I do want to point out that staff of three is not just solely dedicated to the Louisville Loop. That is actually our Jefferson Memorial Forest Natural Areas maintenance crew. So they've got the duties of 31 miles of maintenance in addition to the natural areas and other maintenance issues and things that they need to take care of in JMF. So, you know, just as simple as how often the loop is swept. We try to sweep our 31 miles of loop once every month. And I can't even tell you how many times that the Parklands is doing theirs, but it's double, if not triple. So again, we're using this data from the Parklands to kind of gauge on what we need and how we can do things differently.

Yeah, just some speaking about some of the activity and momentum around, you know, the loop since 2025. There has been a pretty significant group that has been getting together over the last several months since early 2025 to talk about how can we re-energize this effort, what are some quick wins that we can gain, and how do we, again, leverage the fastest and easiest ways to use the resources that we have. Part of that is putting some structure around this group. What is our mission? what are their goals and objectives as a loop team. And so some of our teammates developed, Angela Richardson developed a loop charter that we are working through the process of getting everyone on board and signing. We have almost weekly different tours and subcommittees and groups getting together to look at different segments because there's a lot of different uses, different terrains, just a disparity between these different segments of the loop. And so just getting a strategy together on all of those. I mentioned the survey at the beginning I'm really pleasantly surprised by the amount of interest that we've had just over a day in that and so looking to get really good feedback on You know what the community wants needs from this this asset We have some resources and education and communication on the loop that's available and You know, we're always trying to promote those websites, have active maps and different resources to educate people on the status of the loop and what's going on there. And then we're also coordinating a community bike ride on segments of the loop. And we would invite you all as this committee and others in the community to join us in that effort and take a visit to the loop. To share, yeah, they're multi-uses, so roller blade, whatever's your thing. So completing loop, that's a question, like I said, a comment and interest that we have a lot. So we've had some challenges just in terms of the interest and passion for it over the years, but I can just say, and again, looking at the group behind me and the people at this table, there is a lot of interest and passion for getting pieces of the loop done and maintaining and making the best of the segments of the loop that we have in place. You know, one of the challenges that Jason mentioned has been coordination. And so I think having this team together addresses a lot of that. We're working together, like I said, in subcommittees and in groups every week to talk about, you know, how can we help each other and, you know, the sum of those parts being greater than the whole. um so some of the things that we need in in moving forward you know look always looking for in terms of you know funding and support and maintenance what are some public private partnerships that we can pursue looking to evaluating the establishment of a friends of the loop organization to help support and you know have you know people that have a passion for it across the community mentioned a little bit sponsorship you know if there's a way to adopt or you know, have that kind of investment in a piece of the loop. We'd be interested in pursuing that and just continue to get out and talk about the loop, get people engaged with the loop and what we're trying to do and just what a valuable asset it will be is and will be. to the community and that um you know it's it's something that belongs to all of us and it really is something that we should be proud of and improves the quality of life here real quick if um you know we do have some mechanisms uh through the 3-1-1 app if you're seeing something on the loop you know that whether it's a pothole or something has been damaged or graffiti or whatever it is, we just encourage people to let us know through the 311 app so that we can address those situations. Okay, so one thing I will mention, and this person behind me doesn't know this is coming, I did want to recognize someone that has 30 plus years of work on this asset. I didn't want to embarrass him. We tried to, you know, I won't say trick him to get over here, but told him he needed to be here to support, but I just wanted to say thank you to John Swintowski. He is, you know, if there's somebody that has, you think about the loop, you think about John, again, 30 plus years of work on this project, and He's decided to turn the page and take another move on to the next chapter in his life at the end of the month. And so I just thought it would be appropriate for this committee and this body to recognize him here. John, would you like to say a few words? Yeah.

No, just a few words We only have tough for John Swintoski senior landscape architect Louisville Department of Transportation Well, thank you for the recognition, I appreciate that, but I'd have done it anyway. And I think I've had projects in all the districts that I see people here today and probably all your predecessors ahead of you, but After 20 odd years at Parks and now eight at Public Works, all the parts of the Louisville Metro in the county that has been touched, and the loop just kind of like is that ring, that crown, whatever you want to call it, on all of it, because that puts us out there everywhere. and as was mentioned with the accessibility that means everybody can use it. It's not a single use facility like some of the sports things that are built and it's meant for the human powered movement through our environment and they all said it well, showed great pictures. The places that are touched by it already and the places that it's gonna be are just Yeah, I pinched myself that you all paid me to come up here and work for 30 years, because it wouldn't work. It was really a lot of fun. You fight through the administrative things and the ups and downs of budgets and whatever. But the work and seeing people enjoy it, voluntarily answering surveys telling you how much they enjoy it. And what I don't think was said here that I'll enunciate again that a lot of people know, When a recent survey was done by the Parks Alliance as part of their evaluating the community needs and wants, top in every demographic was multi-use trails. And that's what you're talking about today. So I hope going forward that they'll continue to have that level of support. I've enjoyed working with These two gentlemen, Jason was a colleague when I was at Parks, but he's been our collaborator and connection when our positions moved down to Public Works. Wes is new to the team, but strong in the community. I knew Wes for a long time at MSD. The grand mass of people and their energy behind me, I can only reminisce about when I was at that point in my career. But it's great, and it's great to see it again. So thank you all.

Well, John, thank you. We appreciate your service and everything you've done to help move this along to where it's at. And hopefully they can get it finished and put your name on the legacy at some point. So thank you. Thank you. We have a few questions in the queue. I've got a couple speakers in the queue, but I'm going to start off with a couple questions here. This might be a question for one of you up there. How much deferred maintenance is on the loop currently that needs to be addressed?

I don't think we've got a calculated number in particular. But the majority, you know, for example, the asphalt that was laid was probably, it's probably 20, 25 years old. There's a majority of what the existing Louisville loop path from the Big Four Bridge down to about Farnsley-Mormon that is getting to the point it needs to be repaved. So that's going to be a significant cost.

And if I remember correctly, is it 50 miles that's completed and 50 more that still needs to be completed? Is that correct? Yes. All right. Sounds good. Councilman Piagentini.

Thank you. Thank you for going over this. If we can go back to, Wes, if you don't mind, navigating to... the Middletown Eastwood Trail slide, zoom in on that. So first of all, I just want to thank the whole team. And this is when I was first elected, uh this was all within my district so we were meeting back then and talking about it of course the middletown section got built which we're ecstatic about that it's a beautiful connection that gets sort of across the highway and that's a big deal and now it's trying to connect to parklands which you know kevin kramer now has all this area or technically across the street it's right on our border so we're very excited to see the current construction that's going on we're very hopeful to finally connect the Parklands to all of this. I can tell you there are a ton of neighborhoods that once that connection is made and are looking forward to that, we'll be able to access that in a way that's human powered as we were saying. So I think that was a perfect description of how it's gonna be used. My question is related to the yellow section up there. You know, we've been talking about, and I just haven't reconnected, because again, this is in Kevin Kramer's district. I know Councilman Kramer is a big proponent of this also, wants to see this continue to move forward. Crossing the fork was always this thing that had been hanging out there, and there was this old bridge, but it was mostly privately owned, and questionable condition. How are we, what is the plan at this point to accomplish that?

What's that? John.

Come on back, John. You thought you were getting out of here, didn't you? It was like, you know, I'm retiring. By the way, deny.

We're going to use him as much as we can over the next week or so.

I'm happy to address Councilman Piacentini's question. And, yes, I recall when this was all in your district.

Yes, yeah, yeah.

But it's good. It makes it more of a family thing when more and more districts are represented. Because District 11 was kind of off to the edge. Yes, the old US 60 bridge, an historic concrete arch, one of the last in the state, dates to the 20s, and just continues to deteriorate with time. The split ownership part of it, Commonwealth of Kentucky part of it, private, is really what ran this aground, is the private property owner wasn't willing to sell.

Right.

And with that time delay from when you remember the conversation starting, it's been determined through engineering inspection that it is beyond being resurrected is probably the way to put it. You could spend many, many millions of dollars just to initially make it usable, but you would be spending And the engineers estimate six figures a year to maintain it in that condition because the concrete is so degraded. So the final decision is there's going to need to be a new bridge designed that will be in between the highway and that existing structure. And I believe they're negotiating that scope and fee and getting the funding lined up to advance that. What you didn't mention was the connection from Eastwood back to Parklands, which is nearing the end of right-of-way phase, and that will likely be the next one that goes to construction.

Yeah, that's great.

neighborhoods to the east, we'll be able to come into the park without having to drive. And boy, it'll be, I will come back from wherever I am to see that connection made from Middletown to make that final connection.

I mean, yeah, just on the map, you can see all the subdivisions to the south. Oh my God. And then you have all the subdivisions to the north just off of Beckley and all this stuff. I mean, it's, and we're, I mean, just so you know, where I right now have requested for estimates. So Beckley has broken sections of sidewalk. So like, for example, right at North Beckley, right at the left edge of the big circle on the left, right? That's North Beckley. That's the intersection there. right at that intersection, there's a little shopping center, then there's a break in the sidewalk, then there's a church, then there's a break in the sidewalk, and then a neighborhood, right? So I'm asking for an estimate right now to connect all that so they will all be connected and be able to cross the street at the light and stay on the loop. And then going north, there's actually a new subdivision that was built, very small, it's like one road, almost like a cul-de-sac of homes. I don't know, a couple dozen of them or something like that. And they have the sidewalks coming off that, but not connected to Lake Forest. They're not part of Lake Forest. but they're a block off of it, so we're looking at a side way to connect there, and this is all about being able to ultimately, everybody from that whole northern section of Shelbyville Road will be able to walk south, and you have, there's another subdivision next to Lake Forest there, and then going east, you've got a whole other set of subdivisions that are there. So yeah, this connects so many people to be able to get to the Parklands without, and get to these major systems without ever happening in a car.

So it's great. And that's another one of the beauties of this kind of multimodal system is it reduces the impact of automobiles on the green spaces that we're all going to enjoy. That had been forever and probably still is to a great extent. original parks before Parklands came along we're just being loved to death by everybody leaving work stopping at the park before going home to the east especially but south as well and if there's other ways to get there every little bit helps you're not paving more green and everybody's potentially healthier active living but at least the choice is there and more and more people are choosing to walk and bike more so absolutely well thanks for the update on crossing floyd's fork and i'll just say that it's it's really a message to everybody if you have part of the loop coming through

start to think about all these ancillary roads and how their sidewalks look because again there's been a lot of development in i know d19 and not all of it happened at the same time so there's little small connection problems that we can solve and now and i mean and i have constituents coming to my meeting saying hey look i'm just trying to get from here to there i just need to connect this sidewalk right so thank you very much for your service thank you for your work and thanks for the update and let me know when we get the estimate and we'll sort out how to pay for it so

Sounds like a plan.

All right.

Thank you. We've got two more people in the queue, but I'm going to ask one question real quick. How much acquisition of the land still needs to be done to complete the loop?

There's a, well, pretty significant amount. I don't know if I can put a quantity on it, but it's... I mean, probably the majority of what's...

I think the majority of what's left is not the easiest sections to build. And I think that's the vast majority of the acquisitions that we're looking at. I don't have the number, per se. We can get that, yeah, or an estimate.

Yes, please, if you can, give me something. I mean, I think some figures that can be attached to that so that there is a light at the end of the tunnel, per se, would be extremely helpful in getting this thing full circle at some point. Councilwoman Rui.

Thank you very much. So first of all, thank you for reporting on this. I've been watching this since 2005. And by the way, we call it the Louis Loop. It rolls off the tongue so much better. I like that. But first of all, as I look at the picture of where it is and where it's proposed, it's just so complex. And I know, as just noted, the thing that's holding you all up the most seems to be acquisition of the land to put things through, the right of way and the purchasing. So I know this has taken way longer than anybody ever expected. I'm kind of curious, first of all, I'm looking at a section in the Urban Services District, and I think I'm looking at a little square that's supposed to designate Iroquois Park. Is that correct?

um that is further north than iroquois so that is um let's see that's right okay yep where is that uofl oh that's uofl okay all right so it looks like it's trying to connect up and have an internal loop in there then eventually Yes, that spurs and connections. So, yeah, we have parkway system that's kind of shown there. You know, so that's the point at UofL where, you know, you have Algonquin, sort of 3rd Street, Southern Parkway, Eastern Parkway all coming together, and that's where that box is.

Okay, thank you. Next question. I had to laugh when you all put up the pictures of Shawnee Park flooded, and then the debris, and you said Shawnee and Pond Creek, and I'm going, you nailed it. Because, yeah, I was very sad when the section through Shawnee stopped being used, and then went there two years ago, I think. I was like, oh, that makes sense. It's gone. as to why that was closed, I'm sure that was a maintenance nightmare. And that's very similar to a certain amount of what happens down at Pond Creek. They've got two problems going there. One, they flood regularly and unless it's really dry, it's really interesting peddling through the mud. You slip and slide and it's also a very frequent dumping ground. So thank you for recognizing that. Another section that I've seen that is a maintenance issue is down around Mill Creek, where it drops down into the woods. That's also a frequent dumping ground, and there's gravel all over the road and stuff. And I realize, having looked at your table, y'all don't have much time or resources to get in there. But I'd appreciate if we're able to look at that. And I would be remiss. If I didn't mention the email that I got from a friend of mine who lives in Portland and he's been riding along, I believe it's the part down by the river where the railroad tracks are and the trains sit there at that crossing. He's gotten three flat tires on that crossing and he's ranting at me.

We're aware of that one. The railroad itself is owned by Norfolk Southern and I think we're trying to work with them because any time you work within the railroad right-of-way on a crossing, It's very difficult to navigate that process, and we are working on that as we speak.

Okay, so are you hoping to get that crossing rebuilt then? That would be the goal, yes. Okay, thank you. I'll let him know. He'll be very happy. So, yes, thank you for bringing this back out to the public, and I am really looking forward to where it goes through Jefferson Memorial.

Can I say one real quick thing you mentioned about the issues that we pointed out were issues with maintenance? I do want to put on record that please report that to 311. We can't fix it. We can't clean it up if we don't know about it. um so so yeah so please use 311 that's probably the easiest way um but yeah so we can't fix it unless we know it's broke so please let us know okay thank you councilwoman bass

Hello, thank you all for being here. First, I just want to say I was really shocked. I went up on the loop a couple days ago and I was actually a little, didn't realize so many people in my area use the loop. It's right in my backyard and I just don't get up there enough. We do get a lot of calls and emails concerning the loop, more than I ever dreamed that we thought we would. It's great. I'm excited to see where it goes in the future. But I do have to address a few things just so we have it out there. I know we've had some of these conversations. But I would be lying if I said I wasn't a little concerned on we need to start looking outside of the box. And you all touched on some of this. parks already has their hands full with our parks and deferred maintenance and everything and there's just not enough of us and I hate that that extra burden and this is a lot of loot left so you know just maybe think outside of the box that we could look to some local businesses to adopt miles of the loot to help with the cleanups and the maintenance and and things like that I've got before me a whole list of calls and emails that I've gotten, but just things that maybe not everyone is aware of that we need to start looking at and considering possibly. We've had some maintenance issues with grass cutting up there, which I know we're working through where when they come through to cut, they are literally knocking people off the loop and we've had some people get hurt. through mowing. We've also got a lot of illegal ATV and dirt bike and motorcycles using this loop in southwest Jefferson County that has almost made it unbearable for a lot of people in our area to use the loop. It's very dangerous. We've had people come off the loop down toward the El Geni plant a few years ago that come over the hill. And a young lady actually lost her life from an ATV that came off the loop. They're a recent issue. We've got a lot of loose dogs, but I think that is a city problem, not just a loot problem. And we've got to figure that out because we've got some animals up there and people are getting aggressive and followed by animals. So that's something we need to think about. The deteriorating trail conditions, the broken benches, the water fountains that aren't working, the graffiti on the signs, that's my worry is the maintenance and the maintaining of this and I think parks need some help and I'm glad to hear that they are working well with Public Works and it's nice to see that our departments are now starting to work together as one instead of separately because I know when we do that in council, we can succeed and do more than what we can alone because it takes all of us working together. So I'm glad to hear and see that. But I didn't want to not bring some of these issues up, and I would love to be part of those conversations to think outside of the box on how we can get help, volunteers, more funding, and possibly some help on some of the issues that we're seeing. But thank you all for all that you're doing and working on this, and I look forward to seeing it all come together one day. Awesome. Thank you. You too.

We will absolutely take advantage of that and sign you up for that. Thank you.

I have no further questions. Any other comments, guys?

Thank you for the time and the attention. Keep getting the word out about the loop, and we will be back and engage with you all in further conversations about how we keep the momentum going. So we're excited about it.

Councilwoman Bass has a follow-up. I forgot I actually had another question.

I was looking at the map, and there is a section that goes over Dixie Highway that is a reconnect alignment. How do we plan on going over Dixie with this? Just curious.

That's a challenge. I think the most desirable would be an above-grade, a bridge that goes over Dixie Highway. There's examples of that in, was it Ohio? Indy. Andy's got a great example of how they have chosen to bring a multi-use path over a highway like that. I don't know where that is in the design process. I think it's a great John Swintoski question on where that falls on the scope of design. But the most desire would be above grade. The least desire would be an at-grade crossing. You've been on Dixie Highway and know how challenging that can be, whether it's at a light or not at a light. Absolutely.

That was my concern because that's down in the area where

Racetrack? Right.

Racetrack and we have a lot of people that like to go 100 plus miles an hour through that stretch and there's no lights and we've been begging KYTC for infrastructure changes in that area as well as lights for traffic control down there. So I would be anxious to see how you all get that bridge over Dixie.

We are too.

Thank you.

Thank you. I think that concludes our questions. Going once, going twice, sold. All right, that concludes our meeting. Thank you. Everybody have a good day. Keep up the good work.

You too.

Mr. Chairman. Dr. McCraney. Hello, sir.

For the record, roll call.

We didn't. That is... we did okay sorry we'll just do it again real quick uh for everybody in attendance today on the record was um dr mccraney was virtual we have councilman piagentini councilwoman chapel councilwoman bass councilwoman ruey and myself thank you all thank you thank you