Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

Good evening everyone. We'll now go ahead and call our planning commission meeting to order. And before we get started, I would like for to remind each and every one of us to put our cell phones on silence as well as I'd like to take this opportunity and go over the guidelines for the uh public comments. The city of Aken planning commission meeting. Meetings are public forums in which many opinions are expressed and the business of the city must be conducted. As such discipline, honorable and professional decorum is paramount. Courtesy and respectful communication is required during the public comments period of meeting. All question statements from the public should be directed to the chairman. If you wish to speak, raise your hand and the chairman will recognize you. Please approach the podium, state your name and address in order to allow an opportunity for everyone who wishes to address the commission. Speak speakers should limit their comments to the agenda items of application being discussed. Each speaker will be given five minutes to address an issue and may only address an issue once unless questions from the commissions are posed to the speaker. Our first item on the agenda for tonight is the approval of the work session and the regular minutes for August the 12th.

Move to accept as written, Mr. Chairman. If in moved and second that the minutes be accepted. We'll now call it for a vote. All in favor raise your and I I abstain. Mr. Chairman, I abstain. Well

to abstain. There are no old business on the agenda for tonight. We'll move on into our new business. The first business is application number 26 20003 request for annexation on Aville Avenue tax partial number 104-16-37-008. Is there anyone here to speak in favor of this request? Anyone here that opposes? Back to the commissions.

Mr. Chairman, for application 26-20003, annation request for tax parcel 1041637008. I move that we um send this to city council for approval. We get a second. It's been recommended by Commissioner Herb and second by Commissioner Clayton. I mean, not Clayton, but uh

Clark. Sorry about that. But anyway, all in favor, let it be known by raising your hand. The second item, item B, another annexation request, applicant, Woodside Plantation, tax partial number 10760, 0604-009 and 107- 06-4-0110. Current zoning urban development proposed limit limited business. Are there anyone here?

I'm sorry. Okay. Anyone here to speak in favor this applicant? Anyone here opposes? Any comments? Back to the commissioners. Mr. Mr. Chairman, in regards to application 26-20004, annexation request for tax parcels 107-06-4-00009 and 107-6-4-0 current zoning UD uh proposed zoning LB. I make a motion that we move to city council for approval.

Second. It's been moved and properly second that application number B be sent to city council for approval. All in favor to let it be known by raising your hand. Have a unanimous revote. We'll move right on to the next applicant application.

Yes. All right. Application number 26-20005 annexation request applicant Mr. Tucker current zoning RC proposed zoning RS10. Is there anyone here to speak in favor of this applicant? Anyone here to oppose? Back to the commissions.

Uh, Mr. Chairman, regards to application 26-20005, annexation request for tax partial 106-11- 07-00002, current zoning RSC, proposed zoning RS10. I make a motion that we move to city council for approval. It's

been second. Are we ready for the vote? Mr. Chairman, I uh as we briefly discussed at the work session, um I thought in in light of the fact that this is 47 acres about 20,000 something square feet, it may be more appropriate to make put it in the RS15 zone versus the RS10 zone. There are is is RS15 directly to the rear of the property. It's a fairly large lot in in concert with the two other lots uh that are next to it as well. Uh it's this existing single family home. I don't think it's going to be demolished, but um I think it would be more appropriate for RS15.

Not wet to it. Mr. Chairman, I'd like to amend my motion uh to RS15. I withdraw your second. Yes, I draw your second. Yeah, you you withdraw it. Oh, yeah. All right. So, then we'll make another motion now. Okay. Uh, Mr. Chairman, in regards to application 26-20005, annexation request tax partial 106-11-07-002, current zoning RC, um, proposed zoning RS15. I make a motion that we move to city council for approval. That's

all right. It's been moved and properly second that application C be sent to city council for approval with the changes from RS10 to RS15. Ready for the vote? All in favor?

Did we get a unanimous vote? I'm sorry. Yes. All right. Moving to application D. Application number 26-20006 annexation request. Current zoning office residential proposed zoning limited business LB. Is there anyone here to speak in favor of this applicant? Anyone here opposes? Any comments? All right, back to the commissions.

Uh, Mr. Chairman, for application 26-20006, annexation request uh for um tax partial 1061211 106 016, excuse me. Um there I want to say we recommend it to council for approval. Um maybe I'll get a second and then we'll discuss a little with that if I may. I'll second that.

Uh this person has put in isn't this the one with the request that she is not

to withdraw? She wanted to withdraw. By law, we can't do that. Council can. We can recommend the council. And then so our recommendation for her, Miss Kimberly Choya Sixbury, uh, come to council and put that request into council. So, I just wanted to put that on record. So, yes. So other commissioners we understand what but we can't do that. We can't deny it. Yeah. She had a letter and then we can't deny it but council can. Right. Correct.

And we can just recommend we're passing it the way staff put it to us. If I put it to us, I did send it to us. Correct. I'm just trying to Okay. You'd call for the question. I would call for the question. All in favor? Unanimous.

Who second Clayton Clayton? Okay. CLA application E. Application number 26- 600 01. Current zoning, general business, proposed zoning, RML. Is there anyone here to speak in favor of this applicant? Good afternoon, chairman and boards. It's awfully quiet meeting, so I decided to add some excitement to it. Okay. Well, thank you.

Um, but uh I'm a male S. Male. Um and I am asking that we reszone uh the tax parcel uh from GB which is general business to RML. Um reasoning being a characteristic the district is always you go to the street you look to left you look to the right to look forward look behind all is residential pretty much and I always question why all that uh district was general business anyway but uh my proposition is to uh put a nice duplex there. Uh I like to call it dignified housing. Uh the affordable housing term can be tossed around, but I call it dignified housing um to add to our uh stockpile for the housing units in Aken, South Carolina. Um any questions? I'd be happy to answer them from the chairman, from the board, anybody from the public.

Thank you. Thank you, M. McC. Is there anyone here that oppose this applicant? Any questions? Back to the commissioners. Uh, Mr. Chairman, in regards to application 26-60001, reszone request tax partial 104-16-29-011, current zoning GB, proposed zoning, RML. I make a motion that we move to city council for approval.

It's been moved and second that we send application E to city council for approval. We're ready for the question. All in favor? Unanimous vote. Our next applicant is Crown Land Development Company, owner Mat Family Trust. Location Edgeville Highway. Current zoning urban development. Proposed zoning plan resident. Are there here either are there anyone here to speak in favor of this applicant?

Good evening, commissioners. My name is Kurt Hannah. I live at 134 Marion Street Northeast and I am on the development team, represent the developer and um so we have uh submitted our plans, gotten comments back from staff. Uh many many thanks to your planning staff by the way. They are phenomenal, great communicators. Uh I think they really are an asset to us. I know my is not here but um thank you for that. We've responded to all the staff comments. We feel like we have addressed all the staff comments. Um, you know, some of the things like creating an amenity area in the north section um and and also in the south section. Um, and in a minute I'd like to give an opportunity to to ask some questions if you'd like, but one of the big things that we're um requesting is a reduction in the 20ft separation between homes. I understand that that's probably, you know, going to stay on there um and that we're going to need to um move forward. Understand that you guys can't really wave that, but I I did pro provide a um some information on my thoughts behind that. Um I'll be glad to answer any questions as it relates to that. Um so, and really any questions as it relates to the project. I uh I know that there will be some neighbors that come up and speak in a moment. I went out and met with them on uh Sunday and uh so we had some conversation and I'll be glad to answer any questions from you guys. I don't know if you allow the public to ask questions but from anyone basically.

Are there any questions from any the commissioners? Do we maybe want to do public comment first and then come back with questions if we have any? Okay. Well, first of all, let me ask, is there anyone here that oppose this? Thank you, K.

Any questions for the developer from the public? Come forward. State your name. Good evening. I am a resident of Can you state your name? State your name. Yeah. Name Rose Butler. Rose Butler.

And I'm at on Edgeville Avenue. I'm on Butler Circle, which is a road that originally was a county road that has now been changed to a public road for other things that came in. But basically, we're concerned about the fact that we're currently dealing with traffic from a development that's out there currently that's just recently been built and we're landlocked almost when we're trying to get in and out of our homes. We also find that we're having dealing with traffic, cars parked, places where we can't get through. Also too on Edgeville Avenue, we have our churches there. That's an interest of the church. We want to ask a question. Are you taking consideration of a light being there on Williams Lane? We currently have a lot of traffic problems because of the development that's currently there. Would like to know if that's been considered as far as the traffic study. The main thing is we're just concerned about the fact that in the area current homes that are there, most of those people live in um they're elderly, they live in single person homes or many of them have someone coming in to even take care of them. Traffic is coming in. So the main thing we want to make sure that that is taken care of. So we're very concerned about that.

That's that's my concern and I think many of the others are concerned. Mayor, may I ask you a question? Oh, I don't mind. I don't mind answering. So, you use Williams Lane to get to Butler Circle. Is that correct? Well, we use whatever we can get because on Williams Lane supposedly there's a way for us to get out and there are times we have to go to uh Union Church Lane to get out. Oh, I got Oh, I see. Yeah.

There are times that the buses are coming in, you've got traffic, you got their cars parked in the road, and there are times you can't. And when you're trying to go out on Williams Lane, if two people are coming out, one's coming in, one's going out, you can't see from the left, and it's a very steep curve. So therefore, there is a problem there. There's a curve on Edgeville Avenue. Sure. All right. And that little place has been set there for us to pull over to get there, but you really can't get out to the left. So many people now are having to go to the right to go around

to come back down to Edgeville Avenue, I mean to Edgefield Highway. And I notice here the entrance is going to be along Edgefield Highway and secondary access is Williams Lane. So I'm assuming that's the same road that's already there. Thank you. And thank you for giving us a chance. Come forward, sir.

My name is James Jedica. I live off of Highway 19, right in front of where this project is going to be taking place. Our concern again is the traffic, same as her. There's on any given day about 70 to 80 trucks an hour on Highway 19, while there's only about 20 on US1. Edgefield Highway is 11 foot seven inches wide between the lines. Uh oversized loads and wide loads are not supposed to be on that road unless it's a state of emergency by the governor. And the speed limit 45. I've tailed cars doing 70. I call the police department. Nothing gets done. They set a car out there. They just sit in the car. There was an 18-wheeler that overturned at the edge of Edgefield Highway making the left going towards the school because of the speed. People have been killed on this highway because of the speed. Also, and on the easement in between my fence and the mailbox, I was walking out to pick up my mail. Somebody was turning left across to get into the uh development. They drove up on the easement between my mailbox and my driveway and almost hit me when I was trying to get my mail. We need enforcement on this road. If you're going to put this development in, people need to be taken care of that live there.

Any questions? Question from the commission. Thank you, sir. What did What's the traffic plan that you guys are going to come up with? Well, they do a traffic study and then once again, we just a recommending body. It'll go to city council and you also come to city council and state your concern. Some of the concerns that you have will actually come through South Carolina DOT with the traffic light, the illegal trucks on the road, right? Just a recommending body. I've I've dealt with DOT. They blew me off. Yeah. Just um once the traffic study is done, it will be reviewed by SCTO, right? If they believe that any major changes need to be made to this development, SCD dot will kind of enforce that,

right? I even went to the state with this and they blew me off. We understand. So, I mean, it's somebody's got to do something somewhere along the line. We agree. Anybody else? Thank you. Thank you. Good evening. I was going to remain silent, but u Miss Butler brought up some very important points. What's your name? State your name, please.

My name I'm sorry. My name is Greta Robinson. I'm at 588 Union Church Lane. Okay. Um some of the um concerns that Miss Butler stated, um my parents are elderly. They're in their 80s. Um traffic is a is a concern. a lot of our my neighbors, I think most of us in here have been in that neighborhood for 20 plus years. Um, and that's a long time. Um, and we've seen a lot of changes and a lot of growth. And growth is fine. We all want to see growth and we want to see progress, but we want to see it done right. Um, when they put the new subdivision up up on the hill, you know, there wasn't much information given or nobody made us any promises, but you've got heavier traffic. You've got people parked on the streets. Most of the streets in that neighborhood are not even paved. They're dirt roads. you've got kids um playing in the street now. Um that new subdivision has no lights whatsoever. One of my daughter's friends actually lives in that neighborhood and so I took her home this weekend and literally all I had was my headlights and the porch lights of the houses. So, nobody's addressing safety in the area and that's a concern when you have elderly drivers and you have children and you have an increased um neighborhood of people. Those are concerns that we want addressed and nobody seems to care. Um, I think it's important for people to understand that it's not a fight against progress. It's a fight for a way of life that we're used to.

Um, a way of life that is safe. I can't tell you how many times, like he was talking about the traffic on Edgefield Highway. Can't tell you how many times I literally have to keep going instead of being able to sit there and make my left turn waiting for traffic to clear because someone's flying down the highway. I literally have to let off my brake and keep going and then go to this quick shop and turn around and come back the other way so I can make a safe right turn as opposed to worrying about somebody slamming me in the rear. I just think that we need some assurances that the commission that the city is going to look at the traffic, the lighting, the roads. Those are serious concerns and we just want to know that someone is listening. Miss Grit, I will say that that other um development I believe that you're talking about up the hill is county. Um you this is requesting to be in the city and the city standards are much higher. They will have lights, sidewalks, um proper entrances, median entrances. It's going to be a nice development in comparison. Uh that's just the difference between the city requirements and the county requirements.

So when you're talking about 132 homes, are we talking about how many people that's going to bring into the neighborhood? Well, again, that'll be the traffic study that hasn't happened or won't happen. Oh, it'll happen. It has to happen. I promise you. Okay. And will we be informed of what's found? How will we know? How will the neighborhood know? Well, hopefully the developer will tell you, but I do recommend coming to city council council meeting. Yeah. Sit through those readings and you know, and if I may add, I would also ask add that you come to the city council meeting and address your concerns because this have to go to city council before

for two readings. So, you need to be present at to address your concerns because I I I do believe this whole side is pretty much our our neighborhood. That's why we're telling if you um if you don't mind, if you if you start seeing ground being broken over there, that means plans have been approved. You can come by the planning department. I'll I'll show you the plans um about what traffic um improvements are going to be making. So they'll have to have DOT and we have a city traffic consultant have to get both approvals before they break ground.

Mr. Chairman, if I may add, uh to answer a lot of the questions regarding traffic, this planning commission is a land use body basically uh where you're looking at the land use and the homes and the roads inside. The city has a separate traffic engineering consultant that looks at it. I'm I'm totally against this, but the applica the traffic study comes after uh we review it. I would hope the traffic study in the future would come prior to us reviewing it. Uh but it doesn't uh in in terms of the current status of the city policies. So, um, what we're really looking at, we can't answer your questions on traffic because a lot of the work is being done by another,

um, another firm dealing with DOT and maybe the city, uh, engineers, but not this body, unfortunately. So, you have a trickle up effect instead of a trickle down effect. Yeah. Is approved, you don't know how many units are going to be in the development, etc. So you do know how many units are going to be in available and you can average or estimate at least two members per household at least a minimum two members per household but it hasn't been for 132 homes can you not it hasn't been just as a base

but I'm just saying until it's been approved for the purposes of the traffic study if we can't if we don't approve it then they don't know what they're studying until there's a plan they don't know how many units are going to be in there so that that that I I think that's why this happens first is to but the plan presented does present the number of units because I I know you guys are discussing variance and they have to be at least 20 feet apart. Am I correct? Am I hearing correctly?

Yeah, you you're correct is what what you're saying but what he was trying to explain to you is the guidelines that we go by sometimes we don't have all the information and Mr. Pete just told you that another firm would do the traffic study and Richard also informed you to stay on top of everything. Exercise your rights as citizens. Yes, sir. And if you see any groundbreaking, come and talk to the planning department. I still would urge that you come to the city council and address your concerns because some of the things that you ought to address is outside our purview as far as when it comes to the lights, the highway and stuff. That's DOT. We have no

authorization of a DOT. And if our if our if we do not accept their request for the waiver for the 15 versus 20 that may impact the number of units that they could put in the right in the development itself. So all those factors go in I mean they may have to come back with a totally new concept plan if we deny their request to give them that waiver. So, it's it would be imprudent to do a traffic study on a plan that's not approved because they would have to go back and do another traffic study which costs the taxpayers money.

One thing we can assure you is a traffic study will be done. It'll be submitted to the SC DOT. They will review it. Our own traffic consultant will also review it. After that, if they think any major changes need to be made, those changes will be made. We can promise you that. Okay. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Yes, sir. Uh my name is Andy Jorgensson.

I live at 1208 Edgefield Highway. Um my question revolves largely around what Mr. Herb had had asked this nice lady and that is the distinction between city annexation and county land. Currently I'm in the county very close to the separating line by having a new development go in sharing my back property line that gets annexed. What does this mean for the residents such as myself who are in the county and who would like to stay in the county? Does this present an issue where myself and my neighbors could be forced to annex into city at all?

You will not be forced to annex unless you submit a request to be annexed into it or city services. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. City services.

Can Can you say that again? If you uh request city water and sanitary sewer. Gotcha. If you want to get connected to that, uh you can ask for it. But then if your property is adjacent to another city jurisdiction property, you would be required to go into the city only if you want the utilities. If you don't want the if you're in well and septic now, that's fine. Yeah. Perfect. Thank you. Thank you.

Yes, sir. My name is Timothy Red. I own the 8 acres that's adjacent to the property. This on uh Union Baptist Church Road and Highway and Edgeville Highway that's uh shown at the bottom of the retention pond. Real quick, staff, can we have a Yeah. Like, can we have the maps up that we normally get here?

Yes. Eight acres at the bottom. Wow.

Now, and maybe some of my questions need to be addressed at a later date, but as far as I am, I'm truly for the project. I'd like to see the development of it because as of right now, I have the eight acres there requested with the city a little while back about getting sewer and water and some people that I talked to since I own a business in Aken already, Brad Plumbing and heating that they said it was too much trouble to get water and sewer. Well, I'm glad to see development coming because I'd like to find out if I can get water and sewer and get annexed. Uh but if not, uh that's fine. Uh but the the 8 acres that I have in question with and uh you answered the question as far as uh I understand as long as you don't have to be annexed to you since if a project does go through I don't have to annex unless I sell the property or request water and sewer because that's the way that you fill gaps with the annexation. Is that correct? Okay. Now, I don't know, and it's not shown on this development, but there is a big main city water line that runs right through the middle of that property.

I'm very con concerned about it's that blue line is right down at the bottom. They're actually required to move it. Yes, I'm required to move it. No, not you. Huh? develop I fixing to say they not Tim but they Oh, that's fine. And they're going to update the line. They they are going Okay. So, my question is are they just going to move it for their property or they going to go back to the corner of 19 and move it like it should be? No, I don't know the answer.

So, that that will be coming up later, I'm assuming. Now, I had another question and I have talked to the developer a little bit and we going to have some more conversation. I'm concerned about a buffer if I do decide for that property. What kind of buffer are we going to get by that retainage pond? That is another question. And I'm assuming that's at a later date. They're required to have a buffer. Okay. So it would be nice and I'm assuming city requires like a planted buffer or whatever that nature. It's a standard 20 foot buffer for this.

Okay, that that's fine. Now, how about the storm water that comes off my property that drains into the drain that's at the back of that retention pond that goes across the street? We have any idea how anybody's de addressing that or that would be at a later date also? Well, the developer here, he going to answer your questions. Okay. So, we'll we'll find out. And and that's just uh my concerns, but I'd like to see it because I'd like to develop that 8 acres myself. And if you move that water line, that corner gets to be a very nice piece of property. Thank you very much.

Thank you, Jim. Kurt, you want to come up and address this question?

Okay. That's fine. You had a question. Come forward.

Thank you, chairman. I'm Ahmad Mcuel, uh 100 Majestic Oakway. I stay across the street from uh said property and just found out about it today. um trying to stay on top of things. But I think the uh one of the major things is the only way that we're going to alleviate uh the housing shortage in Aken is to develop, but it has to be responsible developing. Um and also I would recommend that anyone in the audience with um with any questions to look up the north side comprehensive plan. Um and that's where the city is headed toward. So, with all things considered, um, even from a developer standpoint, citizen standpoint, I support this project and I think it'll be a great addition. But I would also say for the record, we have to address the traffic whether it's SCT, city of Aken, uh, and all interested parties. Um, there has to be something that has to be done. Um, good project though. That's all I got to say about that.

Thank you. Thank you. Yes. Okay.

Hi, my name is Cindy Muso and I live in the new um development of Rivers Crossing 5928 Cobalt Falls Bend. And I understand that the parcel that's being discussed is going to be part of um it will be annexed to the city. Correct. in our subdivision is not um is there are there any future plans to for rivers crossing to be annexed by the city?

Um once once the lots are sold you it would take each individual or I think it's 80 I for exactly a high percentage of property owners would have to sign a petition to be annexed. So once those once you start selling the lots individually, you have to get a petition from each owner um or a certain high percentage um we can't just go out and annex it. Sorry. It's got to be a request for annexation. We don't the city doesn't just go out and annex. We have to have petition.

What are the benefits of being um annexed by the city versus not? I know that when you're not in the city, you don't pay city taxes, but there's got to be some benefit. City water, city services. Well, we have those now, but we pay a premium for those, right? You would get reduced rates on all city services. I'm sorry. You would get a reduced rate on all of your city services. And you also get you get solid waste from the city, leaf and limb pickup. Um, so there's various other services, too. Can you repeat that? Your um you get solid waste, leaf and lamb, of course. Um

the garbage trucks would come, the city garbage trucks would come by. We'd pick up your leaves or any any yard debris that you put out for us to pick up and again reduce services on um any the cost would be reduced as well for any services that you have, Yeah.

It turns out a lot of residents actually want to be annexed. We have a whole neighborhood um that came to council a few months ago asking to be annexed. And um if anybody's listening because I haven't be able to talk to them yet. Um we do need a a petition signed by a large majority of that neighborhood and I can get the percentage correct. I want to say it without being correct, but um but anybody that's in the um sanctuary place neighborhood, please contact me so I can tell you how to get in next. Okay. All right. And with being in the city on this property, will they have street lights? Because there's no street lights in my subdivision at all. I just wonder if being part of the city I know I just moved here from Colorado. I know it's it seems to be traffic lightwise in the city of Akens. It doesn't seem to be a whole lot of traffic lights. And I don't know if Kurt is that something you can answer or is that a Thomas question

okay or traffic light street lights it's obvious that with the development coming in in that many homes that there'll be a traffic light added I mean that that has to happen you know that well it's it's always up to um DOT DOT and you know they'll have to do traffic studies on that. It has to warrant to you. Right. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Yes. Come forward.

My name is Deanna Calicoat. We have a property at 1222 Edgefield Highway. I'd like to thank you all first of all for being here tonight and listening to all of our concerns and Mr. Hannah as well for listening to us. I have some concerns about uh our property butts up to the purple area here and we have a concern about noise pollution and um and the noise pollution and the light pollution. I'm sorry. I'm nervous. I don't usually get up in front of people. So, excuse me. You're doing fine.

I I know that you have a 20 foot buffer. We would like to see a larger buffer for that area where there's properties that butt up against um against all the housing. We have a lot of space in our properties and we really love the fact that we have space and we don't want all the noise pollution and everything that goes along with these housing areas or we'd be in a housing area ourselves. So we'd like to see that if we could to increase that buffer at least in that area to a 50oot buffer to a what? I'm sorry. 50 foot buffer sir

just to help with that also um Mr. Hannah spoke about having a nature trail but did not clarify all the nature trails. And I'm wondering if that buffer in that back area is going to be a nature trail. And the reason I'm wondering about this is because there's issues with crime. There's issues with homeless and different people like that. And that buffer is going to be very hidden there in that particular area where it butts up against our area. And with it being hidden, there'll have to be upkeep and someone will have to keep an eye out because that'll be an opportunity for people to be homeless in that area. And so I wanted to address that with Mr. Hannah if possible about where the nature trail will be and if it will be in that area. In addition to those things, the lot size that is for the purple area is a lot smaller and it it is not Basically, as you guys said in the earlier meeting that the PR zone said that they should be similar in these neighborhoods and we'd like to see all of the purple area to increase in size and to um to be more like the PR zone, similar to the other houses in the area in that particular housing area. And I don't know if the pond is going to be part of the 20% of open space. I'd like to personally see that there's more open space, so it's less crowded. It would help with the traffic. I there is traffic issues obviously and the way everything is in there is going to be very crowded when it comes to cars trying to park. And I realize there's going to be an HOA, but no one knows what's going to happen with an HOA and what restrictions they'll have in place.

So, it would be nice to have a little bit more of the open um area and maybe not include the pond in the 20% so that it could create some green space. Good thing. And personally, I don't know about the rest of everyone, but I am I am I know for the reduction from the 20 foot buffer for the houses as well for fire safety, right? And also again for green space

and just for the place looking ex you know really nice. They're doing a a really nice subdivision and I think it can be a benefit to the area but it would be great to be able to have a a nice pleasant place where there is green space and that kind of thing and not so crowded in there. And again it would help with the traffic because we do agree that the traffic is bad. We've had our own issues being on Highway 19 and I realize you guys that's outside of your your area. Uh along with the traffic, there's also a lot of trash and that kind of thing and I'm not sure if that's ever going to be addressed or not. Um, the only other question I think the only other I should make sure to read my notes, but the only other thing I have on my notes is there is a electric line that's running uh down our property actually and on our property. And I'm wondering if you guys, Mr. Hannah, plan to bury that electric line. And if you do plan to bury that electric line, what happens to the uh electric line that is going through our property at that point? You know, will it also be buried? So, that's about it. Thank you so much. I appreciate y'all listening.

Do you mind pointing out where your property is located? I don't mind at all.

How How large is your It's currently um It's currently 1.71. It's actually supposed to be two. So, we're looking into into that. But, um, the reason I mean you you mentioned a few things like a 50- foot buffer versus a 20 foot buffer. And then with a 50- foot buffer, the uh concern about then that space being occupied by folks that you might not necessarily want there. So, obviously, it's easier to monitor a 20 foot buffer than a 50ft buffer. We've also required developers put up privacy fences against existing adjoining homes. That may be a better solution than Yes, sir. than a wider buffer.

And so when you when you say privacy fence, then what would you consider for a height of a privacy fence? I think at least six feet. Yeah, I just wrote that down too as we were talking about it. It's a bigger buffer. Maybe better for the applicant to provide a sixoot solid buffer along that entire side to protect your property. Yes, sir. And that would still allow a lot of noise um pollution to come across, mind you. I understand we're not going to get everything we want and I'm not trying to do that. Um I just want to you know I just want to make it uh you know I I I know about noise in neighborhoods. You know I've I've lived in a few so but it was a six I mean noise travels in a line of sight

coming out of your mouth or coming out of a car maybe a better six foot high fence would stop that. Well, and the other question is about um trees and time. We want to make sure any other questions cuz we passed our time. Sorry. Yeah. All right. Thank you so much. Thank you. I wonder keep an eye on that. I didn't see that. Yes. Are there any other comments from the public?

Um I'll be honest. I can answer at least at a pretty good level most all these questions. I don't know if I can do it in five minutes, but I'll do my best. Um, so there's a few things. Um, first of all, I don't know if y'all seen the new housing study. Um, but it's extensive and they're they're telling us we need 4 to 5,000 houses over the next 5 years just in Aken County alone to keep up with the current anticipated growth. And so we do want to do our part to respond to be responsible obviously and and develop responsibly and create homes. I will not get into all the specifics on on the numbers and how hard it is to margins on creating a development that brings over 100 homes, but we do have to have high density development. We do have to have development that that is aggressive and and home building that's aggressive. Um, and so again, I could speak to that for for hours and hours, but we have a need. The north side um comprehensive plan that that Mr. Ahmad Mccel spoke to, uh, I've read it multiple times. In my opinion, it fits it. It fits it perfectly. You know, that is right on the edge of the southern portion of what was studied. I read it again today. Um, and so I I think it's beneficial for the city. I think it's beneficial for our community and it matches it meets that. Um, as far as traffic goes, I mean that that has come up over and over and over again and I understand. I I want to say to the neighbors, I get it. Like that's yes, I've driven on that road. I drive that road every time I go see my parents. My hope is that the DOT will actually bring the speed limit down. And so, and I know, you know, it does fall on deaf ears sometimes when you go to state agencies, or at least it feels like it does. But the great thing for us is they have to talk to us because they have to tell us what to do.

So, we will get to say, "Hey, can we suggest maybe slowing that traffic down?" Um, the downside is

they don't they they're going to do what what the numbers tell them to do. And so when we do that traffic study, they're going to set the speed limit where they feel it needs to be set. We can suggest, but again, they're a state agency. They do their jobs. They're traffic engineers by trade. Um, and we will do a traffic study. Y'all were 100% right. We have preliminary traffic estimates from from engineers right now. We've already had conversations with the DOT traffic engineer. We've had conversations with the city traffic and engineer multiple conversations and it is a it is a concern of city staff. It is a concern of the citizens and it's our concern. We don't want to build a neighborhood first thing that happens somebody has a wreck. That would that's not you know an option. So um we have spoken with city staff about maybe some things even if we don't put in a red light some things we might could do. So it is like top top priority for us. we will have our traffic study done again we have preliminary numbers in the in the packet now which is um you know pretty substantial um one of the things and this is kind of I don't I don't know exactly how it all works out but but I do feel like you know safety has been mentioned as a concern for the neighborhood um multiple times to me and and if this is annexed in there will be a heightened police presence because it will now be patrolled by city police right now they don't have any city presence right there. And so I think you're going to see more traffic enforcement. I don't know if y'all noticed today the the city police were out everywhere giving speeding tickets today. And and so right now that's it's not in their area, but it will be. And I think I think that probably has a lot to do with the the the enforcement issue there. You know, uh state troopers have a lot of ground to cover. Uh our city police are able to cover, you know, city city areas a lot better. Um there is trash actually on

the site. There are signs of possible homelessness being there now. Um we're going to go clean that up. Um we're going to make sure that this is a quality neighborhood. Um and we're going to make sure that that you know that that stops. That's not happening anymore. And um as far as the buffer, the perimeter buffer, I'm marking a few things. Want to make sure I'm covering things.

Um perimeter buffer is set at 20 ft. There's some pretty thick trees. Um we don't we don't know exactly where those trees end yet as far as a property line goes, but we believe that those trees are going to remain. And so, you know, trees do block a lot of sound. They do block a lot light lot of light light pollution. Um if if the preference is fences, we're certainly willing to have that conversation. Um you know, I love trees and we don't save them as much as we can. Our preference is not to cut large trees if they're there and and we're supposed to leave them anyway for the buffer, but it's highly likely every home's going to have a fence on it anyway. Um, you know, it may not be on the property line, which I doubt the neighbors want it on their property line. It's probably going to be up to the buffer, then the the the remaining buffer will stay and then their property line. So, I I think that's probably going to be the best solution for them and honestly our our home buyers as well. Um, that buffer goes, you can see it actually, it goes along the purple and it actually stretches up to that yellow one as well. Um, and it comes all the way down. Um, and then our our neighbor here to the south, he's also going to have a buffer. The problem is there's nothing there right now. So, when we leave a buffer, it will be filled, right? Um, so certainly willing to talk to him about that. Um, and as a matter of fact, we are we are moving that water line. Let So, let me show you. I'm gonna show you the water line. Okay.

Okay. The water line currently right now runs from there. It's old. It needs to be replaced. Okay. Replace it at our cost. We're put down does The good thing is the water pressure. He's got it drift.

Great. Okay. So, there we go. Yep. So, the water line ties into your place right there. Again, we um you know, we can route at some different places only only without your permission. I mean, with your permission. So, we can have those conversations and and I already have been in touch with him, willing to continue to have those conversations. As far as the uh pond right here, again, we can have conversations about that as well. Be glad to work with him, see what we could work out. There's no need for, you know, any more retention ponds in our community than we have to have. So, and I think that one's big enough where we can we can talk to him and we've actually already had our engineers looking at it because his land kind of comes down anyway. We grab water off of his property. Um, so has that help explain a few things? [Laughter]

We can talk about that. That's where he's going.

Um, so perimeter buffer, street lights. I I could speculate there because I don't know. I think they're required in the city. We haven't actually talked about it, but I'm I can't remember. And even if they're not, we're we're certainly willing to have those conversations. Um, you know, I understand that that dimmer light is actually creates safer neighborhoods for some reason. When you put bright lights in it, for whatever reason, those neighborhoods tend to have higher crime. I don't know why that is, but so we can have even bulbs that are are not very bright, but bright enough to create safety, to create some light. Obviously, we can have those conversations as well. Um, I think I mean,

yes, sir. Uh, if I could interject, I mean, we we need to make decisions, not conversations. So, I think if uh I think we'd like to see street lights, I think it's fairly normal to have street lights at every intersection. You may not need them right down the street at 300 foot intervals, but maybe at every intersection would be a nice compromise. I think that it should be a standard street light. Uh it can be an LED bulb, which is not as bright, but I'd like to have a decision or condition, not just conversation.

Well, I I I believe if we follow the city's current provisions, I believe there's some provisions in there, but I I don't know if anybody knows right off the top there. Yeah. And I and I just don't Okay, they're in there. Okay, they're required. It's required. Good. Okay,

so they're required. I thought they were. I just I couldn't remember exactly. Um storm water, the nature trails. I'm going to point out nature trails. Okay. I think it was her. So you're here. There will be no nature trails. This is an undisturbed buffer. We're not allowed to do really anything with it. So, there will be none along this line. Um, there will be actually a buffer here. Again, that little it e kind of edges over, but basically the nature trails are going to go the bottom of the pond around the pond. You can't see it, but we're probably going to put some nature trails right here as well because that's an easement for the water line.

Um, I hope so. I'll press for it. Um, and then probably nature trails right here as well on this gas line. Um, so we really we really want to make make as much of the space active as possible. Um, and let's see talked about crime a little bit, nature trails, homelessness. Um, foot the 20 foot. I get it. Probably not getting that from you guys. And and I know you've got to recommend that that stay. I get that. Um and you know, and and and I'm going to be honest, we're still running not like we're still running numbers. We're pinching numbers. Believe it or not, the first iteration of this had 160 lots. And I went to him and I said, "Guys, we this was a different developer, a different um engineer." And and I went to I said, "Guys, if you if you could be more reasonable, I feel like we could do something here, but we can't we can't do these 160 lots in here. It's never going to get approved." And um and so we we've come down from 160 to 138, I think, to 132 and now 131. So, so we have actually brought the density down. You don't really see that because all that happens with staff, all that happens when we're negotiating deals and trying to find a good developer for a community. Um and and as far as the um smaller lots go, I mean, I would argue that those lots are similar to what's across the road. I think, you know, there's this will not be the end of that conversation. That conversation is going to happen two more times at at city council. Um but and and this is serious, okay? I I think I think we have to be careful in our community that we don't create this elitist mentality where we think anybody can afford anything. They they can't. And for us to sit here and say everybody needs a 60oot lot and a brand new home, what you're telling them is you got to

go out to the county. Don't come to the city if you're workingass and and you and you're trying to live on a normal paycheck. You know, and and I'm gonna be honest, guys. is buying a first-time home right now. It scares the daylights out of me. And and and I I want to see affordable homes and and and the the um housing study, one of the guys main main points was if we don't build homes, you will see workforce the ability of workforce people to afford homes in the city of Aken disappear. They will move out to the uh country. They'll move out where they can't afford homes and it will put a massive burden on our infrastructure because they will drive everywhere and our streets will be more and more and more and more crowded. His one of his main points was you have to put affordable homes as close to people's workplaces as possible. The majority of the workplaces are in the city. We need firsttime homes in our city and that's what those smaller lots aim to do. Okay, that's honestly what the 15 foot instead of 20 aims to do. But again, that's I don't think that's the conversation for tonight. And may lose that argument, but that that's just where I stand. And I'm not trying to be selfish. I'm I'm truly truly trying to do what I truly feel is best for the community, just like you guys are, just like they are. And we can disagree, you know. Um so um and then crowd density 20 um

trash and the electric lines. Yeah, I think we have to bury electric lines, right? Yes. Yes. So, we'll have to relocate the power lines and we have to bury them. As far as the ones on the perimeter next to your house, I I can't say. I don't know, but I I assure you if if they're on our property, they are going to be buried and relocated. um this requirement by the city. Again, the city has higher requirements for really great neighborhoods, and that's one of the many things the city does. So, I'm going to shut up now unless you guys have

um could we um talk about a six-foot fence? Would you be against from the gas line north to put a six foot? You talk about right? No. all the way over that right there up straight up from that right

well again I I think they're going to go there I think they're going to be put there with the homes so I I think it's going to be there one issue we have is we haven't selected a home builder um because some of the home builders that want to build there our developer I'm telling y'all right now this is this developer's first development in Aken absolute he's the prime developer and so I'm partnering with absolute consmate professional. They put in only great neighborhoods and so he's very very picky about what home builders he he uses and so he's going to build this and pick the right home builders. Um I asked him about fencing because I knew it would come up. I can't promise you right now that Yeah.

We're not asking for the whole thing, just that one. Well, I think again I think it will happen and but for us to promise that right now I I can't promise. Right. That's not Well, you can if we make it a condition, right? Right. If you make it a condition, then obviously I got to go talk to my the prime developer and we got to rather that than not speculate. Yeah, we can't we can't speculate. Right. But I think as far as location because I think you were offering behind the lot itself and not on the buffer side. Right. Right. not on the actual property line of the building. You have issues with homeowner maintenance versus the development being required to maintain it. I think it's just simpler. Yeah. I mean, you have to still keep it on the HOA to Yeah. That way HOA can make

Well, we can I mean, being a developers working with the city, I mean, it's a foot, right? So, we can say, well, that even Hey, that's an easement for the HOA. That back is maintained by the HOA. So, I don't think we've done it in the past and it is all we've done it in the past and it's worked. Yeah. So, as long as as long as we understand does make good neighbors. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I I don't see it being an issue, but again, I I can't promise. Um certainly, I would take it to a prime developer. Sixoot fence, it probably go there anyway, but it wouldn't be a grand undo burden or a deal breaker for y'all if we did just require a sixoot fence on that part there. I know you can't promise it, but if you know Okay. Thank you.

My gut feeling says no. Appreciate you. Okay. All right. Any other questions from the commissioners? Um, uh, one item that didn't come up previously, it's a relatively small one, but on your exits, either both of them, uh, onto Edgefield and and to Williams, I always like to see a two-lane exit, a right turn, and a left turn. So, if one guy's in front of you, wants to make a left hand turn, you're behind him. Yeah. You're going to sit there for five minutes. So if you had two lanes that makes the deal easier for the right turn guy, he can just go on his merry way. There's a chance the DOT is going to require that. We are having conversations with them actually about that specific issue, especially on that main entrance, right?

So I I could see that coming. The problem is if if you guys tell us we have to do it and then the DOT says we can't. No, no, no. We could only request it pursuant to uh DOT approval. D approval. We couldn't. That's that's that's fair, you know. I mean, okay, I think Williams doesn't go much further, right? It's there's there's a little bit of a neighborhood back there. That's just where these neighbors come from. So, yeah, Williams should be less of a problem going out to Edgeville, you're going to have someone making a right, someone making a left, and that's I mean, there's not a ton there's not a ton of traffic on Williams. Yeah. Going going right. I mean, from your neighborhood.

That's what you're getting at. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's no nothing like what's on 19. I've

Any other questions from the commissioners? Thank you, Kurt. Thank you all so much. Any other comments from the public? All right, we're back to the commissioners then. Um I go ahead.

Yeah. Um Mr. Chairman, I'd be happy to make a motion uh regarding application 26 20007 annexation and uh application 26 220002 concept plan approval. Uh the applicant's Crown Land Development Company um tax parcel 120510002 uh current zoning county UD proposed PR. Uh I'd like to make a a motion that we send this application to uh city council for approval uh with the various conditions. Um the conditions as stated on the planners report um I would like to add that number one says that the subdivision comply with the minimum building separation standards. I like to say that I'd like to add strenous strenuously uh requested that that the applicant comply with the minimum building separation. Uh I think 10 ft between uh to your property line uh 20 ft between buildings is is the appropriate way to go from a far marginal perspective and from a planning perspective. 2 and 1/2 ft difference is not going to change the size of the house. If you're trying to build an affordable house, that 2 and 1/2 ft and lot width is not going to change anything. Uh all the other conditions uh that were stated in 1 through six that are stated uh in the planners report. Um, I'd like to add that a uh another conditions is it seven

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be that there will be a 6ft solid fence along the western boundary um from the gas line north to Williams that um the um that there would be a right turn uh right turn and left turn out to Edgefield uh pursuant to SD the DOT concurrence uh that the open space looks like the detention basin is proposed to be a wet detention basin and that's acceptable as open space if it's a wet basin you can play in or whatever uh I'd like to make a condition that if that basin is not wet if it dries up if it know that the um open space uh the 20% open space be reconfigured throughout the property to maintain that 20% % which should be standard. Anyway, the narrative of the report says there'll be asphalt curbing throughout and I think it was stated that that would be concrete. So, I think like to make that a firm condition that there'd be concrete curving throughout.

So, we're making that number nine, right? Okay. Really an a correction. That's a correct. That's a typo, not a not really a condition. Right. Yeah. Our ordinances state that it can't be. Okay. As long as it's required, that that's fine. That is not doesn't need to be a condition. I think that's all I had. Anybody else? I just want to make sure I understand in terms of the specific ordinance waiver request. You're recommending that that be denied and that a standard 20 foot. Yes. The the waiver be denied, but the condition as written in the planner's report says that the subdivision shall comply with the mill.

Right. So then I mean there's since there's this specific request that would be denied. That's correct. So I'm requesting that we're not we're not actually changing anything because it was already it was already denied in the point number one. Right. And in terms I do have a comment because I I'm sympathetic to some of you. We want to get a second before we enter. I I'll second the motion. Oh. All right. Sorry. You now we have discussion.

Okay. Um, I understand some of the and I'm sympathetic towards some of the arguments about increased density. I do not think this specific site is appropriate for that. I think if you do, you're just going to get more of what you see across the street. I do think in more urban areas and areas where you need infill where there's walkability to downtown, there's a place for that. I don't think uh really I think the request is to maximize the number of lots that they can put on this uh development. I think by requiring we stick to the standard that that will help even shrink

the number of units in this uh overall development in some respects which is albeit maybe not the uh in the developers best interest. Certainly I think in the communities, right? So how we would state the condition. I I'm in agreement with how they're stated. Yeah. Okay. You're in agreement. Yep. Yeah. Keeping number one. Yeah. I was just keeping written. Yeah. Keeping one as written. Right. But I didn't catch one seven. You going to add the six foot solid fence for the gas line north of the William Street. Right. Correct. Right. The curbing concrete curb is already in. That's already in. Yes. Right turn slot number you want uh pursuant to DOT approval.

That's number eight. Correct. The right turn. Yes, that would be number eight. Number eight. And um number two is basically or I guess number nine would be the uh open space shall be reconfigured and reallocated if for some reason the detention basin is not wet. I hate to see a wet basin then he doesn't do anything else. Rich. Hey Pete, that was from the gas line easement north. Are we are we including the yellow lot on Williams or is it stopping with the the purple lot the last purple lot? I would include all the way to this I would go all the way all the way to Williams.

Well, you can you from a landing you probably you can't go to more than front of the front of the house. You can't have a fence, right? The six Yeah. go all the way to the street would be in the front yard. Yes. Yeah. It would end at the front yard of that house. Okay. Okay. Any other questions from the commissioners? Any other concerns? All right, we'll call for the vote. I mean, want to restate? You ready? Call for the vote.

All in favor? All right. It's been unanimous approved. We send it to city council. That was for the annexation and for annexation and the site plan. Exactly. Concept plan. All right. The next item we have on the agenda is application number 26-20008. This annex request from Maryanne Fry Urban Development. That's the current zoning proposed zoning general business. Is there anyone here to speak in favor of this annexation?

Mr. Chairman, if I may, um, ju just as a note to the audience, this first one is just the annexation itself. Just the annexation. Any any questions or any comments regarding the development will be the next item. Item I, item H is just solely the annexation. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'm Joel Presley. I'm here representing the MLAN family and I'm here to speak about this uh application as well as the following one about the the PR concept plan. So I just wanted to make myself available for any questions. Um I did want to set to ask the MLAN family has a a statement that they wanted to enter into the record. Could I provide this? Give it.

It's just a statement about It's just a statement about the property, the the legacy of the property, their uh vision for what they like to see on the property. Um it's been in their family for 62 years and um believe it or not, I've been working with them for almost 20 years as we've navigated the Parkway project and other city initiatives. leading up to the point where they felt the time was right to develop the property in collaboration with the city. Um I have deep roots in the area. I was born here in Aken County. Their family goes back to the early 1800s here in this area. So we love this area. We care about it and just wanted to let that be known. Um, also our planner who has been working with us for the past two years uh lived in Aken and in fact his wife was the planning director in Aken some years ago. So um with that being said, this first application is is very straightforward and then the subsequent application is a little more complex and I'm here to answer any questions.

Thank you. Thank you. Is there anyone here to speak in favor of this application? Anyone here to speak against this application? Are there any questions from the

Good evening. My name is Greg Hightowwer. I live at 964 Athal Avenue. Mr. Joe Ranky and his wife here. They live at 966. And I represent Robert Brewer who lives on the corner of Powder House and Athal Avenue uh adjacent and uh Jason Grinder who lives up at 962. Uh we originally started looking at these plans when the connector road study had started. Uh we sat in at least myself for four meetings. We requested that when the connector road was going to be established and groundbreaking be made that a fall avenue would be separated at the city county line which currently city county line sits right up there where the cell tower is approximately 80 about 80 feet back up the road towards city whiskey road. All right. uh test slate was that we were going to have the road paved up at least the residential area of top of the hill from two uh 962 down to Powder House Road. Our road was supposed to be deadended at that point. All right, fast forward up in here. Uh, one aspect in there is that we received no notification of this project that came in because no signs were placed or no notice was sent to the residents. Even though these land parcels say no residents of those areas and I agree, we who live on a fall avenue received no notification. I wouldn't have known about this meeting had I not been driving back from backside of Cracker Barrel to my house and I saw one sign. I saw one other sign back around up Powder House where the new subdivision right across road and that was it for notifications. All right. So, my complaint about that is we

need to do better on notifications. Okay. The other problem being is is that we received no notification when Dominion Energy bought the property directly across from our homes. I know because I have a a light on their property that shoots right in my place, right? And I'm in discussion with Dominion Energy. So coming fast forward up there is uh accepted for annexation. I think that their land use what they want to do is fantastic. What I do not want to see and I'll bring this up for a condition of acceptance is a connection behind avenue at Cracker Barrel connecting all the way down here to Powder House. What does that do to us? that creates a cut from the connector road going up towards the north side. Okay. On Powder House where they're talking about putting a roundabout up there. Okay. We've asked for this. We were given verbal when the joint city and county council meetings for the connector road was discussed. We didn't get any word back on that as being affirmed. All right. We've lived out there. Mr. Ranky's lived out there almost 50 years. I've been on the road for 30 years, right? I like to keep my trees. I'd like to keep my light and all this. I like the vision. What they want for the 63 points of acres, keep it manageable, keep it down. I'm fine with that. Things I'm not fine with is noise pollution and my road being a cut. So, a condition for this to go forward and then looking at the property on uh amendment memor item I

I would like a section of our road separated. If we could go to the overlay map, the photo one up here. We're not on I yet, sir. Not on that. You're just Yeah, we're just we're just on the annexation. All right. Then I'll step back up here for India. Please do. Thank you.

Thank you. Is there anyone else that like to speak against this application? All right, back to the commissioners. Mr. Chairman for application 26-2 00008 annexation request for tax parcels 122-18-9-3 [Music] and partial number 0 uh 122-19-1-001. I um move that we send this to city council for approval. Second

been a motion by Sam Herb and second by M. Commissioner Clayton. Are we ready for the question? Yes. All in favor be known by raising your right hand. It's been unanimous. Thank you. All right. Our last agenda item is application number 26-22003. concept plan for tax partial number 122-19-01- 01. Is there here anyone here to speak in favor of this application?

Mr. Chairman, I don't have anything to say, but I am available for questions if I can be Thank you. Thank you. Anyone here to speak in favor? Anyone here to speak in opposition to this application?

That's fine too, sir. Yeah. So again, as I said, I'm Greg Highire. I live at 964 Athal Avenue. Uh fully in propose, I agree. I think this would be a wonderful thing and maintained What I do not want to see on here is a fall avenue be connected from the upper end from behind Cracker Barrel to Powder House. And that's not visible. I mean, you're not you're not requesting that, right?

I I I want clarification because you got to understand, we've gone through the connector road study. We were given verbal, yeah, we're going to cut a fall avenue off from being a cutthroat when they established the connector road. I just don't see any road on that concept plan that's connecting it. I mean, I'm we're dealing with this concept plan. So, right here whiskey road to my house right in front of us, right? But nothing in this concept plan has that connection.

No. If you build this concept and you put it in there, you are going to promote that to be a passageway. That road is already in existence. It's in existence. We're asking it for to be cut. Well, that because we're going to increase traffic in that area and they're going to come up through that edge and say, "Oh, I know a little cut around increase traffic on avenue proposed roads and a tall." Can you can you define cut for us? Like, do you mean It's any road that you would use to get from Whiskey Road to Right. But there's no there's no following the main third, but there's no proposed connection to a tall. So, if you look at the concept plan that's in place now,

that's what I said. I didn't see anything. The buffer actually takes away the road, right? Okay. Yeah. Um Joel, I don't know. I think Joel might be able to help. Joel, can you clarify what's going to happen at Road? And there's no connection to it. There's no connection. Here you go. Go. Let's Let's get you back. We got to get it recorded. Come on. Get you on television. We'll share the mic. Go for it.

Um, this is one of the many roads where exactly where it is and the width of the ride ofway is a little unclear like many of the dirt roads in Aken County. But we have a brand new survey and it shows it like the concept plan shows it here. are meandering off and on the property, but we are not connecting to it and have no desire to connect to it or affected in any way. So, thank you. I appreciate that. So, what go ahead if you're going to ask him a question. We can't we cannot do anything to that road.

So, I I understand now that we don't have any connection. There's no entry and exit from this plan to athal avenue, which I have to say I like that. What process would be needed to get the concurrence to separate our road from state or city to county? That's not a question for us. Yeah, that's not a question for us. But with the with the applicant, I'm seeing the same thing. Why is a p Why is a road on your property? If I was you, I'd like to get that off my property. So if I was you and I draw I draw a line on the whatever northeastern side of that road and say give it to the city or give it somebody else. Okay.

Yeah. It's actually you don't want that on your property. I understand it to be a county road. Yeah. It's not city, right? It it is city right before you get to the cell. Yeah. Your part's county. Yeah. We're county. Yeah. And that's why we're trying to, you know, didn't get follow up on the last discussion as we got message late for this. It does state fall road. Didn't get to see uh this plan India. Take a look at it. I will follow up in other sessions.

And then I think we I think to get to one of the detention ponds, proposed detention ponds. Um I think part of that's going to have to stay open behind Cracker Barrel to get back in there. two, you had what the the road used to be known as Frog Pond Road. Okay, so we'll tell you that there is a retention pond right behind Cracker Barrel and businesses on Whiskey Road. There is another retention pond that was built to support uh Lowe's and the businesses on that as that section and flow right down in there. there was time and effort to oh we're going to run a drain from Whiskey Road down through this area which couldn't be done because one part of it the drain dish was going through my shop. So that was changed. I have not seen the uh retention pond or the drainage plans that they plan on pulling up but that's another discussion. So my question for this group here in in talking with you point in time when you lay this out, you have the ability to request the road to be taken out of that section of the property.

I have the ability to roadway over to the city. Okay. So, we'll address this with as we need to. Thank you very much. Thank you. Makes sense. Yes. Are there any other questions or concerns? Okay, we're back to the commissioners.

Mr. Chairman, in regard to application 26-220003, concept plan tax 122-19-01-00001 uh current zoning RD proposed zoning PR. I make a motion that we move to city council for approval with the conditions as listed. Second.

All right, ready for the question. It's been Mr. Commissioner Clayton make the motion and Commissioner Herb second. Call for the question. All in favor raise your hand. Unanimous. Thank you. And before we um adjourn, I'd like to thank each and every one of you all who came out tonight and address your concerns. And please know this, it's not that we don't listen to your concerns. It's just some things that we cannot address. But we will tell you this that if you come to the city council and make your concerns there known as well, some things that we cannot address was what the county does then we can make recommendations on it to do. So thank you. You all have a good night. So let's call for the motion for the journ. Yep. So moved.

So moved. Thank you.