City Council - Regular Meeting

All right. Thank you for your patience. Uh we're going to call this meeting to order. Uh here with us today is uh student body u Prep and they're going to help lead us in the pledge of allegiance today. So if you guys would like to come up over here and uh Okay. Thank you, Mr. Blue. You're here for us.

God of creation, the one who we call Father in heaven, we delight in the joys of Christmas and Hanukkah and for some even simply the joys of a winter solstice. We ask for your blessing on this council meeting and these men and women who serve our city. Guide them and give them grace as they interact with your people. Give them wisdom and common sense as they make decisions and give the people of Reading the ability to follow their leadership and decisions. We ask especially for you to bless the staff members who have served and are retiring here in 2025. They have been faithful and uh we want to honor them. And as we prepare for this holiday season, please give all of us the ability to express peace on earth and goodwill towards men and women. Moreover, be with those communities and the as they are experiencing tragedy this week around the world. It's in your great name, the name that saves his people from their sin. We say amen.

Amen. All right. Thank you guys. Okay, I mentioned that, did I not? You could just mention it on the recording. Thank you.

Okay, we came out of close session. Is there anything to report? Uh, no. There was no reportable action on item 3A. Okay, thank you. All right, we'll start with our roll call. Council member Aded here. Denuka is absent. Muns here. Resner present. And Mayor Lat here. Okay, we have a presentation. Um, and I believe we need to make a motion on that first before we do that. So, we're going to consider a resolution recognizing our interimm city manager, Steve Bade, uh, for his service to the city of Ready. I'll make a recommendation.

I'll make a recommendation that we adopt the resolution honoring interim city manager Steve Bid. Yeah, I'll second that. Don't you have to do it? Okay. What's that? Do you have to give it first? I thought we vote on it first or no? No. Do we need to vote on that first? Okay, let's go ahead and vote on that. So, all in favor I I Okay. All right. Mr. Steve Bade, um, you want to come up here? You can come up here if you want to come up here.

All right. Today is a really, really great day. Today we're going to recognize uh Steve Bade, our interimm city city manager. Right now it's a resolution of the city council of the reading council of city of reading uh commending Steve Bade for outstanding dedicated service to the city of Reading. Um today we're honored to recognize someone whose career is measured not just in years of service but in lasting impact. Uh after 28 years of dedicated service to this city, we celebrate the retirement of a leader, a strategist, and a trusted public servant. Throughout his career, he has led several successful grant applications, securing over 55 million in just the past 5 years alone. These efforts have brought critical resources to our community and turn opportunities into tangible results. He played a significant role in establishing the practice of institutionalizing public private partnerships which has expanded the city's capacity to deliver projects and services in innovative and fiscally responsible ways. He also played a key leadership role during one of the most complex periods in municipal finance guiding the city through the dissolution of the reading redevelopment agency and the creation of the successor agency with expertise steadiness and integrity. And perhaps most notably, he along with Shasta EDC led the effort to bring new flights to the city's airport, strengthening regional connectivity and supporting economic growth, an achievement that will benefit the city for years to come. Speaking of long-term benefits and lasting impacts, we've all visited the downtown Reading, the public market, and if you've not, I'd strongly encourage you to do so as we won't be disappointed. uh beyond the milestones and accomplishments. What truly defines his legacy is his professionalism, institutional knowledge, collaborative spirit, and unwavering commitment to doing what is best for the city. His leadership has shaped policy, strengthen partnerships, and leaving the city of writing better than when he started 28 years ago. And while we will certainly

miss his expertise, we are grateful for the strong foundation he leaves behind. On behalf of the city, its leadership, colleagues, and community, thank you for 28 remarkable years of service. Uh we wish you a retirement filled with new adventures and a well-earned relaxation. And so congratulations and thank you for everything. So I think we have a few other words here with others that are here. Um was Mark Mazano here or and also Bruce Ross, right?

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You were awake. So, uh, just just to speak personally for a minute, I moved to Reading, and I'm dating myself a bit here, but I moved to Reading in, uh, the summer of 1997. And I'll share a bit of a story about that because when I very first arrived in Reading, I had a job interview and I pulled into town. I was a little bit early so I had some I'll explore downtown Reading, what's there? And I pulled in and I parked at some place called the mall in downtown Reading. Um, in 1997, you know, it was still like there were businesses there, but it was definitely dark and there were it wasn't leaking because it was summer, but it was you could smell that it had at some point. and it was definitely on the path uh on the on the downs slope and and well on its way and it is striking that that's about 6 months four or five months before you started and uh to be able to celebrate the transformation that has happened in downtown Reading just a week or two ago uh it's a tremendous arc and there's been a lot of people involved with that from private developers all kinds of staff city councils over the years that have seen that vision forward. But you have been a really key player, Steve, in making these things happen. And you have to maintain that vision over time and keep probably educating council members over and over and over again about what you're doing and why it makes sense. Uh and be a little more patient. We'll keep we'll get there. Um you have also been um also on a personal note, I I have a very small little uh footprint in uh affordable housing. Uh Steve, it's been really tremendous the the strides that have been made in this city uh in getting affordable housing for people. It's s it's such a dire need and there's been such tremendous progress made over

the past decade. Reading has really become a place, a city that gets things done and you've been a tremendous part of that team. Uh thank you for all that you've done on a personal level. And on behalf of Senator Megan Deli as well, uh, in tremendous recognition, uh, we have a thing and Mark's gonna talk a little bit more about it. Getting the thing, Mark.

Well, good evening everyone. Um, it's truly an honor to stand here tonight and recognize and celebrate Steve Bait as he makes his retirement after 28 years of dedicated service to our city here in Reading. Seems a local boy though. He went to Shasta High School, Shasta College, Sacramento State University, and Simpson University. And like many people who find their calling in public service, his path was not a straight line. People don't know, but Steve originally wanted to be a math teacher. But at that time, that didn't proh prove to be a an economical decision. So he entered state city service and became a a member of the staff here at the city of Reading. And that's a decision that that was far better for the city than anybody else out there. He began his career with the city as a housing technician at the ripe old age of 27. Um he steadily worked his way through the ranks housing specialist project coordinator with the redevelopment agency. things that you've heard about. The community development manager, director of housing and airports, economic development, executive officer of the Reading Area Bus Authority, deputy city manager, assistant city manager, and of course, acting city manager most recently. That kind of progression doesn't happen by accident. It happens through competence, trust, and an unwavering commitment for public service. Along the way, Steve became an expert at navigating the complexities of the federal and state bureaucracies. That's no small feat, let me tell you. Uh because of his expertise, though, he played a critical role, and we've talked about it, facilitating the development of more than a thousand income affordable housing units here in our community. And those aren't just numbers, people. Those are families housed, seniors stabilized, and futures made more secure. I've had the privilege of working with Steve during my tenure on this city council and I can say without hesitation that his level of

institutional knowledge was and is exceptional. Steve always understood not how things just worked but why they worked that way and how to move projects forward while keeping the city's long-term interest in mind. Hence the public market. I asked Steve a simple question. If you could choose one thing that you're most proud of, what would it be? His answer was immediate and telling, he said. Opening up the downtown. Opening up the downtown, creating a space that could be enjoyed by both our community and local businesses. That response perfectly captures Steve's approach, thoughtful, community focused, and always looking toward the future. Steve, your legacy is going to be visible all around us. It really is. It's in our neighborhoods, our downtown, and in the strength of the city's operations. On behalf of Assembly Member Heather Hadwick, our First Assembly, and Senator Megan Dolly, we're here to wish you well after 28 years of service, your leadership, and dedication. We wish you the very best in your well-earned retirement. And with that comes a resolution, a joint resolution from both the uh Senate and the Assembly. Doesn't look like this because we normally get two months to make these. We got a week. So, we'll be bringing you the real one in a couple of weeks,

but we do have to take a couple of photos. Council members. Yep. Council members, if you have any comments, this is

I do. I do. I do. Um I've only known Mr. bait for three years and um most of what I'd love to say about him is how well he treated me. He was always kind, always, you know, with a good answer with what I needed to hear and if he didn't have the answer, he would find the answer for me. And Lord, Steve, it's been a great pleasure to uh work with you. Um I love that you're a great father. Um, I've met your kids and wife and and you're a great family man and the only the only, you know, check mark I have about you is I mean, you know, you know, you went to Shasta. Um, you know, [laughter] so anyway, I'm grateful to be your friend. I'm grateful to know you and I I thank you for all that you've done for me and this city.

U, Mr. I would like to say thank you for your service. Um unlike um the rest of council, I can say that not only are you a great public servant, but you are also a great neighbor. Um not that we are neighbors now, but I can say that in your in your private life, you are just as kind as you are in your um public-f facing life. And I think that anyone um who knows you and has worked with you has appreciated that they are always greeted with kindness and with a smile and with positivity. Um and I think that that positivity is is really what gave you the ability to continue that uh that piece that that Mr. Ross was touching on of of continually reminding councils of what vision looks like and what it could be and to have that dreamer sort of mentality of how great things can be and to keep pushing towards that. That that takes stamina and and it takes being a person who is glass half full. And so I so appreciate your time here and I am wishing you well in retirement.

Thank you very much.

My turn. Um so you're really nice. We already covered that, but I uh very much appreciate your integrity. Um I don't think it's hard to honor you. I'm sorry I only gave them a week, but I wanted to make sure that you knew um that really great public servants um deserve that recognition. It's a sacrifice um what we do in politics when I'm reading this list. Um you know, like there's 20 items that are all the same area of downtown. whether you took the roof off, you put the roof on, you knocked it down, you built it back up, you this iteration or that, um there's just a sustained amount of patience [laughter] that I think you uniquely had. And so I'm really grateful that that was a project that you um pushed forward and I knew it was way more exciting during redevelopment days. So I'm sorry it didn't get more exciting, but I bet retirement is also going to be exciting and you can redevelop your own life and what you want it to look like. and we're really grateful that you're staying in Reading and that we will get to enjoy you as uh just a public person and not a public servant. So, I'm sure we'll see you at the public market. Thank you for everything you've done.

Definitely. Thank you. Okay, go ahead, K. Okay,

first time using the hot mic. I just am really grateful to have worked with Steve. Um, many may not know this, but Steve was on one of the panels that helped hire me and bring me on board. And in the last few days, he has sat with me, shared knowledge, answered all my questions and been very encouraging. Uh, always thinking about his leadership team and the future um, for the organization. even encouraging me to sit up here today even though it's technically his his last kn his last night up here and it should be his honor but I'm just I'm very grateful to have had the opportunity to work from you and to learn from you and I really I wish you all the best.

Thank you very much. Happy retirement. Oh, thank you. Okay now.

Okay. All right. So, and I've, you know, I've watched this happen many years, a lot of other leaders, and so I've seen them uh do this. So, the one thing you don't do is you don't look at your wife. So, that's Chuck Auckland wisdom. And so, you do not look at your wife, you don't look at your kids, because then you'll just be a mess. And you can't look at the family over here either. So, uh you know what? I'm a very blessed man. Uh very blessed to have this job. I was going to school to be a math teacher and I'm like, "Well, Sandy, we're not going to be able to eat very much food if we go to be a student teacher. So, let's look at something else." And so, I looked at the city of writing, competed for the job. There's like 90 people and I was the guy that got the job. So, I've worked with a lot of council members. I'm very thankful for all those members that I've worked with over the years. I'm very thankful for this uh council also. I'm very thankful to my wife boys because it takes a lot of time. Time away from the home, time up here on the dice, time in the office late at night, uh you know, just to keep the job going. And you're doing it because you're passionate about your community, passionate about what you stand for, what you're learning. You know, you don't just walk in the door and know how to work in government. It takes a it takes a long time. So, uh, I just built on it with layers of of learning over time, started a housing technician, ended up being an interim city manager. I never in my wildest dreams thought that that would be my path, but I'm blessed uh for that. So, I just thank God for that opportunity. Um and I think you know I had so many mentors through and if I start naming them off it would be too long of a list but you do go back to some of those key people whether it was in our redevelopment day the Larry Morgans and the Sue Thompson Sarah Hadex those people start really lifting you up and bring you into that higher level and that's when you start really learning

and you cross paths with people like Barry Tippen or you know you start Brian Crane Chuck Auckland you start working with all these people that are just really good leaders and and you start forming trust And then we started taking risk and then those risk happened and you could see them in downtown today. So when you uh you know it it took more than 25 years and it wasn't you know yeah maybe I was involved with a lot of them but you [clears throat] know it takes a huge team to make that happen and we have some of those directors over here still here some of them have moved on retired. Uh we have such an outstanding director team right now they're amazing people and there's more amazing things to come. But, you know, downtown is just it's one of those things where I think Bruce Ross mentioned he's gonna date himself. Well, if I date myself, you know, I always say that the biggest thing we did was open up the streets. You know, I was born in 1970. So, those I think the streets shut down in 72. And so, here we are back in 200 I think it was what 2008 no 2021 is when they actually opened restored [clears throat] the grid. So, you know, it's the first time I ever drove down that street and here you are today. you're enjoying at that. You're seeing the mixeduse buildings. So, that's why I kind of enjoyed that accomplishment. Uh, you know, it's just really an absolute treat. And then I look around the community. I see a number of the affordable housing project we've done and I take council members uh council member Munz. One of the first things I did was let's go take a tour and I'll show you the nicest multif family buildings and complexes in the community and they're all tax credit multifamily income qualifying uh homes and and they're very nice. are very wellmaintained and we have a lot of fingerprints on that and I was lucky to get the chance to do tax credits to learn with partners like K2 Allen N and I I mean he him and Daniel driving around in vehicles that had no air conditioning trying to crack the code on on deals back I mean many years ago and it took a lot of time and effort so we were reminiscing about that a couple weeks ago with Shannon Phillips and so

it's just really enjoyable to work with great community great community partners great staff uh you know I just can't thank everybody enough. Laurel Parks, she's pushes you to do those things that sometimes are not uh, you know, normal in a community and it worked. So, you know, we listen to a lot of people out here and I know I can't acknowledge everybody, but I have wonderful staff doing wonderful things and they're going to continue on. So, I just want to thank everybody and just thank for all the opportunities I had for this. So, thank you. [applause] You know picture.

There's more. I need my glasses.

I offered that way. We're not looking like we're fighting. Okay. Um, if if anyone wishes to address the city council on any item considered at this meeting before or during council's consideration of that item, please enter your name in the electronic kiosk located in the lobby. The city council will allocate up to a maximum of three minutes per speaker for each agenda item. Staff reports available online at the city's website. and in the public view binder located on the podium at the north side of the chambers. All right, we're going to move on to public comment and uh pursuant to the Brown Act, city council cannot take action on public comment items. The city council, we're reading this again, aren't we? City council allocated up to maximum three minutes per speaker for 30 minutes total at the beginning of the meeting for public comment for non-aggendaized matters within the city's jurisdiction. The mayor will determine the order of speakers. If 30 minutes is not adequate to accommodate all of the individuals who have submitted their name through the electronic kiosk, the council will trail this item to the end of the open session agenda. The remaining speakers will address the city council at that time. So, we have four speakers. Um, we're going to start with Paula McGomery and after that we'll go Margaret Contrell. Thank you. Good evening. I'd like to take this opportunity to thank our new city council leadership and I'm looking forward to spending many hours with you. For the past few months, residents of our local mobile home parks

have been asking city council to explore a rent stabilization ordinance. We now have enough parks and members to form a Golden State Manufactured Homeowners League chapter in Reading. Approximately 6% of Reading's population are mobile homeowners. News outlets feel that this is important enough to bring to the public's attention. The Record Search Light did an article on purchases driving out often vulnerable residents. Kona Irvin and myself were interviewed by KSPW News. This past October, NBC News reported that Senator Maggie Hassan of New Hampshire has asked six investment firms, one of which is the owner of our park, to provide details of how they manage their mobile home parks, what impact their business practices have on mobile home residents, and the profits their investments have generated. Cities in our surrounding area have already begun to support an RSO for their communities. Hua is still in the process of researching. The city council has proposed at the first meeting in April to have an ordinance presented. The Hir City Council is very supportive of bringing forth a final review and evaluation. to county supervisors have formed an ad hoc committee to provide more data to supervisors. The current discussions in 2024 and 2025 show strong interest in finding a solution with a draft ordinance expected

after committee work. Given that our surrounding communities are taking this nationwide crisis seriously, I think it's time our city council act accordingly and not only consider an RSO, but adopt an ordinance for the city of Reading. Thank you for your interest in this very important matter.

Thank you very much. All right, Margaret, are you here? Yep. And after Margaret, we'll go Robert. I have Margaret Canrell and after that I have a Margie. So

good evening. [clears throat] I understand that you have been conducting budget meetings and that you've put a lot of time into it and I'm looking forward Thursday to the budget meeting that is open to the public and I hope you have lots of good stuff for us. [cough and clears throat]

I'm still concerned about that retirement money for Mr. Tip Tippen. He's only 61 years old and he's in good shape and good health and he'll probably live to 90. And if he does, the city will be out for over $7 million in retirement and money and whatever else he gets. That's for a city where the average salary of the people who live here is $70,000 a year. That's a lot. [clears throat] He he earned a better salary while he was working here than most of the people that live in the city. So, I think it would be appropriate for you to see if you can claw back some of that retirement money that is going to come to Kim because of um raises that were negotiated in close session without notification to the public for their approval. That was in January of 2022 and September of 2023. And most of you were not on the council then. I believe Miss Resner was. It's too bad that somebody didn't see at that time that there was something going on. So I only have two question two thoughts. One is please do something about it. We can't afford that. And the other is wondering if he's, you know, he grew up in this town and he worked for the city for 20 years and he made a good salary. I'm pretty sure. Has he always been dishonest with the people's money? And why does he hate the

people of Reading so much that he would do that to us? All right. Thank you. We have Margie and then I think I saw you stand up before. There you are. And then Margie after we have Robert if you're here. I have to pull out the stool.

I'm Margie Canrell. I've addressed you before to the council and citizens. My parents moved me here when I was four years old in um 1946 and you can do the math. I am here because you have lost a good man in Steve Bade. His retirement is caused because you did not hire internal people to continue in highlevel positions. This is what happens when good people within are not hired. The last time we hired someone from the Bay Area, there was the brief honeymoon period where the city council and all of these wonderful things started happening and then that person tried to change it to what he left. Eventually, it ended in a scandal and you can dig up the old minutes or the record search light and see what happened. and he was hired by a project he promoted and pushed through. Another big mistake. We had city council members that do the same thing through big league dreams that we called big league schemes. This has continued through and this is the second time that I have told you this does not land respect to the system. Our prior city manager is still trying through the park marina plan to be able to sell property at park at Turtle Bay, which we do not want. That should be entered into our park system. Wants to tear down the civic auditorium and build something that's worthy of the

city of Reading. And Jack, I graduated from Chasta, too. And I remember when you grew up here and I thought when you came back from Reno, you were going to be remembering what Reno was in the old days. And I really wish that you guys would get a grip and keep it local, keep it how wonderful Reading has always been. As six generations in this area, four generations of which owned their own businesses and others now my great grandchildren. I really really worry about what you're gonna do in the future.

Thank you. Robert, are you here? Is you stand up? I think I saw Robert here earlier. So, okay, we're going to move on to consent calendar. Uh the consent calendar contains items considered routine and or which have been individually scrutinized by city council members and are anticipated to require no further deliberation. If a member of the public wishes to address an item on the consent calendar, please enter your name in the electronic kiosk located in the lobby before a consent calendar is considered. It shall be the prerogative of any council member before the consent calendar is acted upon to one comment on an item. Two, respond to any public comment on an item. Three, request the record reflect and absentation or my or nay vote on any item. or four, remove an item and place it on the regular portion of the agenda for delivery of a staff report and or an extended discussion or deliberation. I don't think we have any speakers. I don't see any forer consent calendar. So, we'll entertain a motion unless any council members want to

I'll make a motion. I'll second. All right. All in favor? I I All right. Well, did you want to? You voted for him. [laughter] At least not Yeah, he's not here to vote, so you might as well vote for him. He wasing anyway. Yeah, Paul was he was abstaining.

All right. Okay, we're moving on to appointments. uh consider the mayor's appointments and reappoints to the city of Reading Community Services Advisory Commission. I've had three appointments. Um James Finink, sorry, they're really close.

It's really close. He's uh already served one full term and I've nominated him to serve a second full four-year term. Um January 1st, 2026 through December 31st, 2029. I spoke to James on the phone. He's not burned out yet, so he's very very happy to continue uh serving. Uh he's done a really good job, provided valuable input, and um he wishes to continue serving. I've also uh uh wanting to appoint Christina Prosperity. Uh she's this is would be a first term for her. I talked to her on the phone. She's been pretty engaged in um activities here within the city. Um she's got a heart for this city. Um this is not her first time serving um on the commission here, but um she's eager to jump on board. She's um got lots of ideas and just happy to participate. So, the third person is Julia Parsons. Uh, nominated to serve her first four-year term. Uh, Julia currently is um our library director. She's not a city employee. She's contracted, so there's no conflict of interest there being an employee of the city of Reading. Uh, but Julia has been um really excited to work in her role at the library. she feels she's got more to offer and um she's really excited to serve in this capacity to learn more about uh the city and uh I feel that she based on my knowledge and working with her um she's got a lot to offer and I think um she would do a really really good job and um so those are my three. I don't know if there's a motion or any discussion at this time. So,

I'll make a motion that we authorize and approve the mayor's recommendations um for one, two, and three. I'll second. All right. All in favor? I We are moving right along. Wow. All right. I promise fast meetings. Actually, I never did promise that, but I it's looking pretty good so far. So, all right. We are going to move on to pardon

uh personnel. So, we're going to consider a resolution approving exception to the California public employees retirement system 180day wait period with a regard to rehiring of retired information technology supervisor David man. So, I believe we're going to have some words there from you Carrie. So,

good evening. So, Kalpur's regulations requires that retirees wait 180 days after their retirement date before be uh returning to work as a retired annuitant. However, Kalpers does allow some exceptions to the 180day wait period, including for critically needed positions. After 24 years of employment, Dave Man, IT supervisor, um, retired from the city on December 5th, 2025. The IT department is currently transitioning applications from the AS400 to Oracle and other systems. Mr. man's experience and understanding are critical to the success of migrating to these new systems and it is important that progress is maintained in order to avoid cost of ongoing support and licensing of identified applications. Bypassing the 180day break would also allow for the uninterrupted work effort towards decommissioning the AS400 which includes the 2025 endofear closeout to payroll and financial processing. We are requesting that the council approve a resolution approving an exception to the 180day wait period in order to appoint Mr. Man back to his former position as a retired annuitant. It's also important to note that in his retired annuitant role, he would not be performing the full duties of the position which is what allows the city to move forward in this way. Are there any questions that I may answer?

Nope. But I'll make a motion to authorize and approve items one and two and adopt the resolution. I'll second. All right. All in favor? I I This is kind of uncomfortable moving so fast, but uh it's happening. So, we are moving on to number 11, council travel reports. Um is there anything anybody needs to report here? So, nothing at all. All right. Line item 12. Suggestions from council members relative to potential topics for future city council meetings.

Um, I have an item 12 um that I would like to discuss. Um, I would like to delegate delegate um two members of council to discuss with other entities that benefit from the convention center to um hopefully financially support the civic while we navigate if the city has any sort of financial capabilities to support the civic. um we are going to be having budget hearings, but I think it's really prudent that we don't have any major big decisions that we're um levers that we're pulling until that new city manager arrives. However, I am aware that the civic is in um a rather tight position. I do not personally feel comfortable with um council allocating more than maybe two months or so. I I think we're in a really tight position financially and potentially unable to do much if anything. And so I'd like to uh not wait to start conversations with other community stakeholders that do um benefit from the having a convention center um and begin those discussions in terms of long-term funding and other community entities who should um help take care of the civic while we figure out long-term plans. So if if we do that, does that mean that we cannot take action today? This would have to come back to a next regular meeting or a special meeting set in the future. Is that correct?

I am not asking for an ad hoc. I am just asking if council feels comfortable. Yeah. Uh so um I actually believe that the appointment of the ad hoc is a mayor's decision and I don't think that would actually require council action. So perfect. Um, if if the mayor just wants to appoint an ad hoc for that purpose, um, I can believe I believe that can be done without needing to call a special meeting in her to come back. Would you consider appointing, Mr. Mayor, would you consider appointing council member Odette and I to go begin those community discussions and bring back stuff ASAP, information ASAP to council and staff? How do you feel about the civic

or joining discussion with her? How do you feel about that as she's asking to do this with you? Oh, yeah, of course. Okay. Yeah. Um but specifically for the civic civic specifically just their future and just getting more information about

Yes. I think that we need to begin those discussions. I'm aware that it it sounds like that they are okay till the end of of February. Um, but I think that that this entire council has discussed at some point in time long-term I'm attempting to stay in my uh long-term plans um and needs for those discussions. But I also think that there are other community stakeholders who need to be engaged in those conversations. And I don't believe, my personal opinion is I don't believe that we have the financial means to uh prop up the civic for an extended period of time at the current uh structure

that we have. How do we report that back to the council at the next meeting? Yeah, once the ad hoc has um uh done whatever it needs to do, it can come back and uh report that to the council. um staff could put that on as an agenda item for this the ad hoc to report its findings and to discuss any potential action that may be appropriate. And does that need to be done at this meeting or that can be done anytime in the future? How does that work? You can appoint the ad hoc at any time. Um it may be beneficial for um just expediency to appoint now and then um if the direction for the item 12 is to come back um we can put an item on for the ad hoc to report out at the um the next meeting. Got it. Yeah, happy to do it. Yeah, I'm um

I'm agreeable to that. I think that makes sense. I think we all have had input. We've all had discussions. I think we all have very very common interest and I think oftentimes it's very frustrating to see how slow government can work and if this is going to help speed up the process to get conversations going and be able to come back and report. I think that's a great idea there and sounds like both of you are willing. So, I would give my blessing to do that. So, um, and is there any thought process when that might come back or you'll need more time to evaluate? So, I would say as soon as possible. So, January 6 is our next meeting. So, that would be the earliest. Okay, we'll shoot for that. And if more time is needed, we'll do that. So, um, I'm good with that.

All right. So, I'm I'm hearing that the mayor has appointed an ad hoc of members Resnner and Adet and that um uh staff will either put an item on for the January 6 meeting for that ad hoc to report out or if the ad hoc indicates they need more time, we'll we'll we'll find a later time um to to put that on the agenda. Okay. Okay, sounds good. That's all that's the only idea I have at the moment. Anything for you? Is that it? Is that it? Um, we could stay here another hour, but I think we should take advantage of ending this meeting. The earliest we've ever seen forever. So, uh, this meeting is adjourned. Sorry