Town Council - workshop

Mayor, let's call the meeting to order and call roll.

Yep. Meeting officially called to order. Playground Equipment Installation Workshop called for 11 a.m. And we're pretty close, 11.05. Meeting officially called to order.

Roll call, please. Mayor Singer. Here. Vice Mayor Mandel. Here. Council Member Laskin. Here. Council Member Bernstein.

Here.

Council Member Einstein. Here.

Okay. Madam Clerk, just for, because in case there's a big protest, reflect in the minutes that the only two staff members present will be the town manager and town clerk.

Noted.

Okay, quick little notes. Today we have eight presentations. The presenters will have 10 minutes each, okay? As I just mentioned to the council, what I would do is next to each name, so you remember, because there's a lot to remember, I would rate them, and my scale is three different things. One is aesthetics, two is usability, whether it's usable for kids of different ages, Three is cost. So, you know, just so you remember. So when we go through the discussion items, you can remember that. So what we're going to do is we give them 10 minutes to present. And I'm going to limit questions to literally five to 10 minutes max. OK. And then we're moving to the next presenter. So if we have our first presenter, if you can introduce yourself and please speak clearly into the mic so everyone can hear you.

Mayor, before he presents, let me just for the record. So Alexia's town manager, just to remind the council, this bid went out and we had eight respondents. After an initial review of the eight respondents, the town administration decided to reject all original presenters and proposals and give each of the respondents an opportunity to readdress the concerns for the town. And they were given this current task, provide optimal shade coverage, Optimal playground selection, ground cover as necessary, and all site furnishing. We're not going to ask any of the companies to provide any history about their companies or where they've had success. They're focused on strictly the design and meeting the expectations of those four requirements and the wow factor. And then we limited their budget to $700,000. So all eight presenters today had that task. $700,000, maximize shade, ground cover, give us a wow factor, and as many playground equipments. So that applies to all eight presenters today.

So the mayor was suggesting that costs might be different on all these.

Well, they're going to come in different costs.

They're all about $4,000 apart.

Let's see what happens.

Okay. And are we working off of this material supplied or are we just... They're going to present. So don't even look at the stuff previously. You can reference it. Okay.

There you go.

Hello?

OK. Good morning.

My name is Oscar Lopez, and I represent Compan. I've had the pleasure of working with Compan now for 11 years, and I'm here to present the Golden Beach design.

Let's set the time clock.

Yeah. 10 minutes is going to be rough, but I'll try to be quick.

Perfect.

Okay. So I'll try to go through these pages because like I said, 10 minutes is kind of quick and I can catch myself talking a little bit too much sometimes. Right off the bat, the concept, the idea that we had for this project was to align itself actually with this building. So we drew very modern, clean lines in our structures, as well as the colors are very intentional. You'll see a lot of the whites, yellows, and golds from this building that we captured, as well as the blues, the light blues, just to kind of keep everything clean, modern, and aligned with the vision. We broke the areas into two areas separating the two to five and five to 12 playgrounds. On the bottom left, that'll be our two to five section. On the top right, that'll be our five to 12 section. Next page. We can keep past that. And I'll come back to that shade and surfacing at the end. Yeah, keep going. Okay, so right off the bat, we'll start off with the five to 12 playground area. The intention with the five to 12 playground area was to have a nice clean lines of transparency for the parents to be able to see their kids and be a little bit more off hands. We've incorporated our wow factor on this would be the height of the equipment. So you can see the frame net. The frame net there, the yellow frame net with the black membranes has about 21 to 22 feet of total height. And then the other structure, the blue structure with the multiple slides is about 15 to 16 feet. What we're trying to do here is incorporate a little bit of traditional play with your platform and slides on the blue structure and then more physical challenging play on the frame net, on the yellow frame net. The idea behind this is a lot of times when you go to playgrounds, you'll see a lot of prescribed play. Prescribed play being you have steps, a deck, and one route. That's great for a little bit of time, but that doesn't really hold the children there you don't get that staying power. What happens when you don't have that staying power is now all of a sudden the children aren't using the playground and they're doing everything that they're not supposed to be doing in the park. So we want to have kind of different levels and unprescribed play and different levels and abilities within the playground equipment. So our equipment is meant not only to the prescribed in terms of the steps, the deck, and the slide, but we want them playing under the equipment, over the equipment, around the equipment, We want them to take the steps if that's the easy route to a slide, but we want them also to have that physical challenge in terms of climbing. With the yellow structure, you don't just have the climbing, you have a lot of different levels. So you'll get social gathering. The play experience within the rope structures changes because it's completely different when one or two kids are on a net structure, or when you have 15 or 20 kids on the net structure, the way it feels, the way it moves, the way they have to manipulate the routes and so on. So all of that was kept in mind when we were putting this together. We wanted to have high capacity, high transparency for the parents, and we wanted to make sure that we had different types of play. Go to the next one, please. Now, here you'll get more of a side view so you can kind of... Understand the height of the equipment and if and I know one of the things that we're gonna talk about towards the end is a shade With the budget and the large spaces that you had I had to make sacrifices on shade and I decided to do that on the 5 to 12 area The reason I did that is because you do have a pavilion in that 5 to 12 area and you do have I believe it's a two-story house on the side of it that provides a little bit of natural shading on top of that you have the pieces of equipment which have good height so 21 feet and and 16 feet, so it's a little bit harder to cover that. Now, the blue structure, that is a regular kind of roof on the structure. We do have the option to include integrated shade if that's something that the city really wants to, the route that they want to go. Within the 5 to 12 playground, we have a lot of complimentary pieces where you just don't have your traditional slides and climbing, but we also wanted to incorporate spinning, Rocking gathering social play and all included with that physical play as well. The other thing you'll notice it. Can you go to the next slide? one more Again, sorry When I get to the swings also One of the key points in playgrounds is the swings a lot of times you'll see a lot of traffic in the swings so what we did was we added four bays here we have your four natural seats and And then towards the far right, you'll see the shell or the basket. This is great in terms of inclusive play. Any children with disabilities can lay on that. Also the baskets themselves tend to be high traffic areas where you'll all of a sudden see five or six kids on the same shell and basket. So now you have a little bit more socialization within the playground as well. So plenty of seats here, plenty of space in terms of just having the children in the flow and not everybody kind of waiting for the swings. Then we have our two to five, our two to five area. You'll notice again, the colors that we drew off the white and the gold and the yellows from this building. I wanted to make sure on the two to five, it also very intentional that it wasn't just a bunch of decks. So within the two to five, you'll have some of that traditional play. You'll have the slides, you'll have climbing. But if you notice intentionally, we use the net bridge in the middle. because it's not just a ramp. There's actually for the younger children. Now they're also getting that physical challenge of climbing. You'll see that there's pieces on the outside if you can go to the next view. There's also like little rock climbing walls at a lower level. And there's regular entrance points towards the back where they can do the steps or decks if that's the level of play there. We also incorporate the xylophone musical instruments at the bottom because we want to have a lot of, At this age group, you want to have a lot of manipulatives. You want to have ground level play for them so that there's a wide range from the two-year-old that's playing on a structure to the five-year-old. I also, I know one of the design things of this whole project was the dog park. So there's a little bit of a nod, a little wink there to the dog park. that should be facing towards the other direction, just to kind of tie in the whole design, not just with the playground, but with everything that's going on on this site. And then the equipment details, we're just kind of going over the pieces. You saw this on the 5 to 12. You have the large climbing net with the membranes, 21 feet. The seesaw is great because that's about, you can get about 10, 12 users on that. It's also a great structure to have inclusivity. Anybody with a wheelchair, anybody with a disability can lay the middle but then you're also interacting true inclusion you're interacting with children with all types of abilities you have your rocking your rocking roller sprint spinner you have your supernova it doesn't look much most people see this they think what is that it's a donut but it's actually for for all ages and levels you can have a small three four year old on it actually just kind of laying on it rolling around and then you have your older children that can get on it and it When used properly, it kind of becomes like a surfboard, skateboard kind of thing where you run up it, it becomes more difficult. You jump in the air and you can just kind of glide around. So it really lends itself to many different users and abilities. The two to five section, again, you have the playhouse, so you have your traditional play, but we try to incorporate the physical challenge of the climbing. and all the surrounding elements, same thing. You have your springers, spinners, manipulative play, and so on. Lastly, in terms of the, I want to talk about the shading and the surfacing. So I previously mentioned that I had to do reductions on the shading because of the large area and the budget that we were forced to work with. The main idea was that usually the younger children tend to kind of feel that heat a little bit more. So I wanted to make sure that the main structure where you're going to have most of your play on the two to five area was covered. And then we took advantage of the five to 12 area where you have the pavilion. And again, the shade from the house next to it. The rest of the two to five pieces, like the swings and the spinners and so on, they tend to lend themselves to a little bit more free play, a little bit more wind. So you're not getting that concentration of heat on there. That's why that area is not covered. The surfacing that I chose was the artificial turf, and that was done for a certain reason, a few reasons. Reason number one, it lends itself to that natural kind of flow. You kind of incorporate the nature and the greenery that you have surrounding. On top of that, if the shade is something that maybe is done in phases, maybe you do decide later on you want shade. It's better to have an artificial turf that you can pull back, do your footers, add any shade, add any other structures that you may want to add. Or if there's any repairs in the future, it's easier to work with an artificial turf than it is with a PIP rubber. The PIP rubber will never match the same if you ever have to do a repair or if you ever have to do any addition. It'll fade. It'll look completely different. The PIP that you do day one will not look the same. as what you may do in year five or year six or year 10 or so on. So that was kind of the thought process behind the servicing.

Thank you. Go back to the slide. What was the total cost? $699? Correct. I can't see that.

$699, $255. All right.

Now I'm going to open it up to questions for the council. Start with Vice Mayor. Okay.

Question, have you ever, is there another park that has that structure currently?

Yes.

Yeah?

Yeah, definitely. And I can give you the references.

The artificial turf, it's very hot.

It's, so I'm not going to lie to you, it's Miami. That's always a question about the heat. Everything gets hot here. If you're between, if you want it, so the least in terms of the surfacing retaining the heat, would probably be something like an EWF. The problem with an EWF, it's a loose fill. So now you have that being thrown around. There's a lot of maintenance to that. Kids are putting it in their mouth, throwing at each other. So really the two types of surface scenes that I would recommend for this park would either be a PIP, a poured in place rubber, or an artificial turf. The heat on either one of them, it's gonna be about the same.

I have turf from my house and it really doesn't get that hot. I have it back in the front.

our turf does have it does come with a cool sand that you put on top of it to try to keep the temperature down but i mean i'm not going to lie it's south florida heat's a problem okay and i'm assuming you can tweak the the different equipment and for this and that of course of course and and as i mentioned with the with the larger structure on the 5 to 12 that doesn't have we don't have shade we can actually on that 15 foot the blue and yellow one with the multiple slides we do have an option where we can do an integrated shade off the structure and just kind of extend it. It's ideally here in South Florida, I always recommend standalone. So either a sail shades or mega spans, but that does provide a little bit of extra shade if needed. Thank you, Judy.

A question about the turf. Why do you choose the turf instead of the rubber pads?

So to me, the turf specifically, It lends to the design better. The price point is a little bit lower. Both are very high in surfacing. With the PIP, what you get over time is you get repairs and patches. So in four or five years, all of a sudden you do the patch, it does not look the same. And you see the patches. With artificial turf, if you ever have any repairs, you pull that back, you do your repair, you put it back and it looks exactly the same. So aesthetically, price point, it's better. And again, if you ever needed to add anything in terms of extra shade or extra equipment, you're better off.

I think I saw one swing set for both age groups. Am I right about that?

There's a swing set for the two to five and there's a swing set for the five to 12. The five to 12 had four Bs and the two to five, I'm drawing a blank now, it was either two or three Bs.

And one last question. Was there any thought put into where family would be seated to be able to watch the children?

Yeah, so there's benches around the 2 to 5 area and the 5 to 12 area. And again, the theme of the playground in terms of high transparency was so that the parents could kind of be a little bit back, not be a helicopter parent, and see their children, yet be able to sit off on the side and let them kind of navigate themselves.

Thank you. Councilman Bernstein? Just a clarification. When you were saying that you have artificial turf, you were talking about your artificial grass, right? Not artificial turf.

Same.

Well, no, the artificial grass is different than...

It is? No, it's not.

The artificial grass and artificial turf.

It's the same. It's the green-looking stuff you roll out.

Yes, it's not real sod.

It's artificial turf. I've seen artificial grass that's a lot more coarse where you put more sand and it has less heat than... than like an artificial surface.

I think what the council member is referring to. So some of the turf is a little bit tighter knitted and so you'll have a tighter knit to it and some of it's more flaky and that's where the difference is, but it's still turf.

Okay, I would just make that.

There'll be different thickness and then there's also a difference because I also have artificial turf in my home. There's a difference between the artificial turf in your home and on a playground. Remember, all the artificial turf that's surfacing no matter what needs to be up to code in terms of critical fall heights. So you also have a padding that goes underneath and all the stone base that goes under that as well.

Question for you. On the shade, what mile an hour winds can the shade stay up to? What is it?

When the hurricanes come, yeah, I believe, and that's a great, I believe it's somewhere between 75 to 90s when they start recommending to bring down the shade itself. And the shade is designed with a quick release, so it makes it a lot easier when a hurricane's coming. We also, our shade manufacturer provides and offers if you need them to come down here. The only thing that happens is when a hurricane hits South Florida, what happens? The entire area is making that request. So it's about availability.

I'm sorry. I had a couple other things. Oh, I'm sorry. The shape factor is very important to me. I understand. Growing up here and seeing How many of my friends had skin cancer? And if that was something very important to do, how much more would that cost to put the shade over the 5 to 12? Or what would you eliminate to get that shade over there?

So most of the cost that you have on this design is, I'm going to be real honest with you, it's going to be your surfacing. It's a large area. Your installation and your shade. adding shade to that five to 12 can be somewhere. And again, not integrated shade, but shade to cover the entire area could be another 50 to a hundred thousand dollars. It's a very large area.

He's got shade on, on the little kids. Yeah. The little ones, but not the five to 12.

Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Any public, since you're here, any questions?

Can you hear me?

What? I can't hear. Councilman Einstein on zoom is asking a question.

Oh yeah. Councilman Einstein.

I was in my car watching this on the way to the meeting. But anyway, and I'm coming from a skin cancer doctor, as Councilman Bernstein well put. Shade, and as we do our learning curve and go through this process, I think we're going to find that shade is a very important component to this, and having two grandchildren And going through a five and a two-year-old for the last five years and spending a lot of time, that shade is critical. It is so critical when you're out there. For the little kids, if you don't have it shaded, it's worthless. Second thing, the turf, whatever you want to call it. Are there various grades, A, B, C, D? You know, you say you're supplying turf, but I've seen some of this stuff. It looks rather cheap. Have you provided a sample of what your, since it is such a large component of this, we can look at a picture, but what turf are you actually providing?

Yeah, so that's not a problem. We haven't, so there hasn't been a request for us to provide a sample, but if you need one, not a problem. so that you can see the different thickness. Yeah.

And approximately how much a square foot are we talking about when it comes to that?

Off the top of my head, usually an artificial turf will cost you somewhere about $30 to $35 a square foot. You can see the breakdown. It's not your normal turf. It has to be IPMA certified, so it has to have its certain standards and regulations. And then, again, you have the padding, the thickness under it, and the stonework. So it's not... It's not the turf that you get at your home.

And if a dog defecates on it, or an animal?

It's porous, so you'd wash it out. I'd recommend rinsing out the areas. Obviously, you have the dog park. So there really shouldn't be, I would think there shouldn't be dogs on the playground.

Ben, I have it on my house, and you pick it up and wash it, it's done. Yeah.

How about if they feed?

It goes through. It's porous. It's all porous, yeah.

And can you use a pressure washer on this thing, or is that too abrasive on the turf?

On the artificial turf, yeah, you can lightly pressure wash. You would do the same thing with a PIP. You would do the same thing.

It would be a light pressure wash. Did Williams Island, did you happen to do Williams Island because they put a turf in recently?

No, Williams Island, I'm not familiar with the park.

Okay, but they did put a turf in.

Okay. Thank you.

We have someone asking a question if it's soccer pitch grade turf.

Is what?

If it's soccer pitch grade turf?

No, it's specific to playgrounds. Your football field and soccer fields are completely different than the playground standards.

Okay. Anyone here have any questions?

Okay.

Can you get a picture of the park? Yeah, he had it up on the screen. Go ahead and put it up. If you want to print out. Do you have a mic?

On the swings.

Yeah, so to address the swings, just because you are near the ocean, the chains would be stainless steel instead of the galvanized so that you don't have that rust.

Yeah.

So that's an excellent question and great observation. So you're correct. So the plastic over time, our park system is over 25 years old. So it will start to crumble a little bit and you'll get that residue on your hands. And I've seen the additional rubber pieces that you can put over the chain. Actually, when I take my grandson, it's an aftermarket piece and we could definitely apply that to it. But great observations about those.

One further question, if I could.

Go on.

The height of that object, that's 21 feet tall. Is there any danger to that? Has that been trial tested? How many of those have been out in the field?

Yeah, so Compant's a large company. We're currently in over 80 different countries. Everything is to every standard, ASTM, IPMA, CPSI certified. We need to make sure that everything is compliant. Again, we have that same type of frame net. I have a park in Miami-Dade County. If you wanted to visit, you can definitely visit it.

Mayor, we're going to go ahead and call time on this presentation in the interest of the other presenters. We're going to go ahead and call time on this presentation in the interest of the other presenters.

We're time out.

Thank you so much. Okay, I was just trying to respond to the comments. Before we go on,

Thank you.

Thank you very much. Also, I just want to caution the council. So, and we've never, this is the first time in 20 years that we've done something like this. So remember, we are subject to bid protests. So I would caution council to try to answer questions to residents that would be part of a potential litigation in the future. So just let the staff deal with questions on the Zoom and don't provide your feedback because if one of the presenters decides to challenge your decision, then we'll all be in court trying to defend why we didn't.

Just by responding to the...

What I was trying to do. Yeah, so let's just be careful with that, because this is subject to potential judicial review.

Can I ask something before we go any further? When we were in Tallahassee, we were marveling at how amazing these trees are and how much shade they give, these old trees, like an oak tree. And when I see so many of the great parks that I love taking the kids to, so many of them had these natural canopies, like the trees. You go to Reynolds Park, they have a lot of— We can do that.

That has nothing to do with them.

Well, my question is, is that something in their budget? Or that's not—like, just thinking about with the canopy.

So a couple things. So as it relates to shade, and shade's going to be a—shade's going to be a— the topic of discussion today. And so let's just go ahead and assume, for discussion purposes, that whichever vendor we decide to work with, one, clearly, if they've already included it, that should be a plus to them. But we are trying to preserve some of the larger shade trees that we currently have in Turtle Park. One of the things that I told the council earlier prior to your arrival was that we are also exploring keeping the existing shade tent in the five to 12 area to repurpose that because it's relatively new. And I agree with you, Councilman Bernstein, that we could buy larger, more mature shade trees like oaks and the such. I will tell you that it's not in the current landscape budget. The mayor and I just signed off on the landscape budget just last week. But we could definitely see how we could add. But yes, using natural shade is a way to preserve and to answer questions that people are referring to online. Of course, providing shade for those who are visiting, sitting in the benches, that is as important to us as it is providing shade for the playground. But excellent observation, and I love those trees in Tallahassee. Right, but I don't know if you can grow those trees here. Some of them you can. If you go to Lincoln Road, you'll see some of those northern oaks here, and they thrive well. Let's keep going, guys.

Yeah, but even just oaks are...

There's a couple of homes in Golden Beach.

All right. Eric Garcia, if you could bring the next presenter.

Even if they start off small in five or ten years.

Bob Snyder.

Don't worry, that's fine. And what we'll do is we'll put the Zoom questions up every once in a while. It's the feedback.

Just so everyone knows that the council can't answer the Zoom questions.

Next.

Let's say you bring in next.

Hello.

Hello.

Welcome. I want to remind you guys you have 10 minutes. So we're on a tight schedule. Can we just hand out our presentation? You can hand out, yes.

Hi, thank you. Thank you.

As we have people looking on Zoom, are you going to be showing it on the monitor also? Okay.

Great, thank you.

Thank you.

Okay.

Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you.

You ready, Michelle?

Hi, my name's, good morning, Mayor, Council. Speak in the mic, because everyone can hear you.

Good morning, Mayor, Council. My name is Steve Noskin, Florida Recreation Products. I'm the owner. Michelle Fernandez is our Miami-Dade County Rep. So she would be the project manager for this project. She's done all the work that you see in front of you. We pride ourselves real quickly as a company to have specific reps for specific counties. So someone's not gonna be driving in two hours every day to see your project and oversee it. Michelle will be here every day. We have our own CRM. So all pictures, everything that happens on the site is recorded. And we welcome our clients to retain those if they will. So they have a history of everything that happens on their site. So we do that on a regular basis, not just for Golden Beach, as special as you guys are, but for all our clients. Keeping in mind in front of you, when we first decided to work on this project, we visited Golden Beach. It's a beautiful community. And we noticed, of course, that it's mostly residential. So we wanted to keep part of the design, there's a lot of intention it seems that goes into this community and everything's planned out and curated. So we didn't just want to create some large overscaled playground that was very loud. We wanted it to fit into the community. So you'll see throughout the design, We have Palm Beaches because as, of course, you know, you live here, A1A has, you know, corridor of Palm Beaches. So that's throughout the playground. We wanted to make sure that the playground had good flow, meaning it created a natural progression from one side of the playground to the other. And that included visibility. If you see in the center of the playground, there's a blue shade structure with a seating area for parents or children to sit and enjoy, but still have sight lines so that they could see their children play. We thought that was really important for this, considering that one part of the playground is by the community center, and one part is closer to the tennis courts. So to have that side view was really important for parents to see what was going on. And then balance, like I mentioned, we didn't want to have one colossal play structure or two colossal play structures. We wanted to have tremendous play value. We wanted to put a lot of components in a spread out area. We also wanted to present a theme. We took the information that you were going to have parties in the community center, and we said, let's create a theme that the community can rely on or use for parties. So we developed the pirate ship, as you saw, for the two to five area. So if we go through the catalog, the presentation real quick, and Michelle will interject as she feels needed. We represent Burt, which is 100 year old playground company. And there's a lot of projects throughout Miami, Broward County. We're also built in America by Americans, which I don't know if that's important, but I like to mention that. And before we get into the design, two key components or characteristics of Burke that no one else has is we have a coastal coating package that goes on all our products. So all the steel products that are in this proposal have our coastal coating, prevents it from rust. The other major advantage that we see is our 15-year slide warranty. So if you have any of these slides in the 14th year, 11th month, 28th day fails, you get a brand new slide and another 15 years. It's not, it just ends at 15. You keep on going. So longevity is really important. Why don't you explain the two to five area?

Yes. So the two to five area, I was thinking a lot of imaginary play. So we have a pirate ship. So you have slides, you have climbing structures, you have a little stand that they can pretend they're giving out gold and playing as a pirate. And we have the Vero, we have like a little spinner motion play, a little tunnel, and we have shade structure as well and seating throughout. So just thinking parties and even kids that are over the age of five are going to enjoy this playground. So it says it's a two to five safe, but all ages really would enjoy this playground.

And we wanted to relate also that our benches that we provided were not the inexpensive benches that you see at a lot of playgrounds. Those are usually dipped metal in what they call a polyurethane type coating and they're perforated. We provided in this quotation, our signature benches were our architectural benches. So these are ones that you would see in a really good square in a community. of just very high end type of bench. So I just want that noted that we just didn't throw benches and just have the benches. These are our signature benches. And if you want to fully evaluate them, you can see them in the catalog. The other thing I wanted to mention specifically about the pirate area is it's not indicated on the drawings. And I'm sorry for that. But we were going to provide themes underneath the pirate ship. So we were going to add in the turf that synthetic turf blue under the boat. We were going to create a brown area outside so that you see those rocks that kids crawl apart. They'll be crawling across like water to get onto the boat. So I'm so sorry that wasn't in the presentation, but that would be no additional cost. And we'll sit down with you if you want to even get more specific. We wanted to add a lot of color to the artificial turf. I also wanted to mention as we go in, I know we only have 10 minutes, so I'm trying to go through these fast and respect your time. The five to 12 unit is very unique as well. We created this unit for kids with all abilities, but it also has specific components for kids with less abilities to get onto the playground. You'll see our patented 360 slide. It looks like This one right here, that's our 360 slide. Burke's the only company that has it. So kids with less abilities can literally come up to this portion right here, and then they can traverse their way up onto the equipment. So kids with all abilities run up these transition points, but kids with less abilities now can play with all the other kids on the entire playground. We're talking about an eight-foot slide here. There's no other play equipment in our industry that can have kids that have less abilities now play in the entire unit. So I wanted to point that out as something different, because I know that you were looking for some type of wow effect or something that was different. We thought that was extremely different to have these transfer stations. As you can see also in the background, there's more of those transfer. They have like a black rubber going up to the top of the slide. As far as shades, Instead of coming up with a mega shade like you have on your existing playground, we wanted to add our triangle shades because it provided those with also the trees that are out there gives you enough shade to present, again, clear lines and aesthetics that add to the community. We just didn't want to throw some big shade, a 30 by 50 shade over and say, okay, we've got a nice shade structure. We wanted to add something that would enhance the playground. Did you want to add something on the five to 12?

Yes. So the five to 12, you see there's paneling. It's all play. We have music. We have, there's chimes, there's drums, there's a different hide and seek games there as well. So throughout the structure, you have play ability as well.

And why don't you talk about a movement piece?

Okay, yes, so in the play structure, there's also a movement piece. So you can stand and it just, you can shake side to side. So throughout the play structure, there's, integrated play as well.

I'll elaborate on the movement piece because no one has this piece. It's actually a game. It's solar paneled where kids play against each other. So there's a sequence of lights that go. So one kid, they have to follow the sequence of lights and they play and the score comes up and we've seen adults play it. So at first Burke had one that was very wide and long, but they've condensed one to go onto a pole.

to one post.

So now the kids can play literally around this and adults play with their children. So it's pretty unique as well. Also, I want to mention all of our swings that we presented all have shade structures. They're fully shaded and our swings have what we call a connection seat, which is a seat where the parent and the child can sit on the same swing. The child faces the parent as it goes back and forth. Did you want to add anything else before we open for questions? So just to reiterate, again, we wanted to come up with something that we felt would meet the criterion for your city. We didn't want to come up with anything overwhelming. We wanted to come up with a natural, creative, but... A playground with many activities, which they do. There's a lot of climbing apparatus on here, a lot of slides, a lot of things for kids to do, a lot of imaginative play, all within the confines with good sight lines and good balance. And we'll take any questions. What was the cost of this? I believe right under your budget, it was $695. $695? $600 what? I don't remember the exact number. $695 was it? That's it.

Mayor, they're all within a few thousand dollars each other. 650? OK. Oh, 650? OK. No, no. What I'm saying, they're all within a few thousand dollars of each other. So they're all in this.

Hey, Alex, one thing before we go to question. We talked about before, but none of the presenters have it. We talked about some type of water feature, maybe like a mister.

We intentionally kept that out of the design. Because we're working with the civil plans to find out exactly what we're going to do like a Mr. We are there. We have we've identified two locations where we're going to add it once we select the vendor.

Okay. All right. With that, I'm going to start questions. Vice Mayor first.

Quick question. Can you change the are there different design options? In other words, if it's not a pirate ship, can we have different options?

Absolutely. Yeah, we'll custom design as well. And a lot of those panels that I didn't even mention, we have cutouts where, for example, there's a mermaid cutout. We can do any customs like that. So if you have specific custom cutout panels that you want, or we have the seal of Golden Beach on one of the panels. So anything that you want to create, we can create in a photo or in a laser cut.

Are you anti-pirate? I'm just kidding.

I second that motion.

You can customize it. I like pirates.

And we did provide a 3D interactive, which is right behind you, I see. So you can go through that and really play with the different angles. But of course, if you don't want pirate ship, we can give you anything else you want. We like the pirate because it had the flags coming down. It just had a different design.

Okay.

Thank you. Judy?

Councilman Lester?

Are all the pieces of equipment have coastal coating?

All the metal pieces have coastal coating. Yes, ma'am.

Are there pieces that are not metal?

Well, there's plastic pieces. So some of the panels are plastic. Some of the spinners are made of plastic.

Any wood?

No wood, ma'am.

Okay. And the metal ones, they're powder coated? Is that it?

Yes, it's a series of four coats. And I can, I think you include the digital.

Yes, I included it.

It's in your packet at the end. I believe it talks a little about it, but it's four layers. So it gives an additional layer. It's actually in the primer that prevents the rust. And then we put on an additional protective coating on top.

Thank you. Councilman Bernstein. With regards to the coating and the plastic, is there measures of heat that, Is it lower heat? I didn't know if there was like a... That's a great question.

I don't know the specific answer to that, but it is tested in what they call a UV chamber, which tests for heat. I could get you that answer. I wouldn't want to guess, but it is tested.

So it doesn't like melt or, you know, flex at all.

It's definitely been tested, and I could get you that if you want.

So the coating on the metal, that's going to basically hold the...

The elements, that's correct. What happened on some of your pieces out here, the old Miracle structure that you had, you see the fading. We won't have that fading. I'm sure Miracle won't either. I'm not trying to say they would. But the newer technology has where the coatings are a lot more much better, especially burr, because we really do everything here in the States.

You'd also mention the benches, which I like because I've seen so many benches that I just feel like make things look so cheap. Is there any pictures or anything that you have?

Yes, there's some smaller pictures in here, but I'll be more than happy as a follow-up to send you the benches.

They're called our signature bench, right?

Our signature bench, I have a catalog as well. Mr. Bernstein, I can leave with you. I have two catalogs if you want to see.

Yeah, I just was curious what the bench looks like.

Totally architectural. That's why Burke created it, because every playground had that perforated, dipped metal bench that, you know, it feels kind of rubbery, but it's not. It's inexpensive looking, and it is. It's about a third the cost.

And aesthetically, it looks nice because it goes with the playground.

No, yeah. It's the same colors.

Thank you. Councilman Einstein. Thanks for being here today. Real quickly, I'm just going to refer to this as the first page. It looks like you're... The second page is another rendition. I don't know how much equipment we're getting. Is the first and second page...

It's all of it. It's different angles.

It's different angles of the equipment. Okay. When I look at the first and second page, the white... Support staffs there. Looks very spiky to me. It looks like you got a lot of white rods coming up from the ground. I know you need that for support, but is it because they're in white? Can they be toned down?

You can change it any color. We have our color.

But does anyone else? Can you look in that bin?

Mr. Einstein, there was a five inch round post. So just keep that in mind because some of our competitors use three and a half inch posts. It's a big difference in price. But those are five inch posts and it's more from the 3D picture that you're seeing that they look spiky. They're actually very rounded and I could try and get you a real world picture for you if you'd like.

I understand, just to my eye, looking at this photo. So those are two angles of that. I guess in the brown, it's less pronounced than on the white. But when the white is out there, it just looks like I'm looking at pungy sticks from Vietnam. Is the bench on page four, right in that right-hand corner?

There are two benches for the small structure and then there's a- Yes, that's one of the benches.

So there's really no back support on that bench, is that correct?

On this particular bench, there's not, but we could provide a back support. There's no extra charge for that.

There's no extra charge, but that has no support and that is what that bench looks like. That's correct. It has like four little legs on it, or I think they're little, but, and that's your top quality.

Thank you. Anything else?

Turf, he discussed the turf.

Mayor, I have questions.

What? Hold on.

Ben, what's your question? Did they discuss the turf?

I was going to go there. Okay, fine.

Thank you. Go on.

So I noticed earlier in your presentation you referred to it being all turf for the site, but I was a little bit concerned. So you said that underneath certain areas we would have colored turf. Is that a paint application that goes on top of the green turf?

That's a great question, and it's not. you know, a major supplier, Shaw Carpet, they actually make most of the turf in the country. And the vendor that we use colors each blade. So those blades are fully colored. They're not painted on.

So they're so when they're when they're manufactured, it's a solid through. It's not a it's not.

That's correct. It's not on top. That's a great question. I'm glad you asked that. And It is synthetic turf. It's very high quality turf from Shaw is the manufacturer. They're out of Georgia. You can look them up. It's under the Sunshine Turf name. That's our vendor. But we will provide all documentation for that.

Mayor, two follow-up questions. So it seems like most of your shade structures are actually shade applications that are on the actual plate equipment itself.

So they're integrating.

In applying those shade structures, do you take into account the time of the day to get the maximum shade structure when the sun is at high noon? Is that the way that you've applied it?

Those are actually... pre-designed. So we gave our designers at Burke the layout of the land, the east, west, north, and they created where those shades should face to maximize shade protection.

Okay, my third and final question. I just want to just echo Councilman, excuse me, Vice Mayor Mendel's point. Should the pirate theme be something that may be controversial for us? Can we switch it to some other type of?

Yes, of course. And anything else in the playground, We will change. So if you don't want colors, if you want to see a different spinner, if you want to see a different slide, we work with our municipalities.

I can't believe you're anti-pirate, too. Well, Mayor, pirates have a reputation for being swindlers and scammers. I was going to wear a patch, too.

And given the wealth in our community, we wouldn't want to have swindlers and scammers. Pirates have a what? A reputation of being swindlers and scammers. And so we just want to be sensitive to those type of concerns.

I personally like swindlers. What the heck?

Believe it or not, it came up. Alex, you're over your question limit.

Any public comments? I just want to say before we went public, I love the idea of the blue. color to distinguish the ship. I thought that was great.

And there's no, Mr. Bernstein, there's no limitation to that. So we'll sit down with you and you'll say, hey, we want to make it look like this over here. We'll do that for you.

Yeah, I mean, so like if they don't like the pirate theme or whatever, but I'd like the idea of a theme.

It doesn't have to be a pirate theme. We can make it as a ship.

Why is everyone against pirates?

I like pirates, personally. Approximate cost per square foot of the turf. Approximate cost?

I believe our cost to you is about $17 a foot installed. And that includes the sub-base.

And it has the padding.

I'm transparent. He can ask me whatever he wants. That's installed, right? That's correct, sir.

Every component is all rounded edges, correct?

That's correct.

Okay.

Ladies, you've been patient. Any questions? Can we give you the mic?

Oh, here you go.

Oh, I didn't even know you had a hand. Just introduce yourself so everyone knows.

My name is Cecile Mendel. Beautiful parks. They look stunning, and my kids would be very happy in them. The only comment I would have or question is, at least for the two- to five-year-old one, my fear is always when there's a height and there's an opening that the kids could fall, especially the young ones. And I don't know specifically, but you'd be able probably to close off the one with the stairs out here so that they don't come out. through the other side.

There'll be a pirate there to save them.

That's the only problem I have. It's always my fear.

Burke, we do the height requirements, so it's lower, and then we do extra padding in those areas.

And we're also open to community feedback, so if you want us to come back, if we're lucky to be chosen to meet and answer any concerns.

You have a question?

Yes, absolutely agree with this beautiful lady. I guess you have a kid small too? Yeah, me too. I have five and seven, and they look like super climy. And my first fear not about shade, not about floor. about safety. I don't want my child be broken legs, broken arms. And I already see this park absolutely give me heart attack. Tell it true. I am a mom, and I prefer to come in the park and enjoy, relax. I won't send them there and be safety. Of course, babies you have to watch. But even two to five, do not expect these beautiful kids go on a slide, look like this. No, they're usually on top. They usually fight. They usually jump. They usually stand up on the slides. We can't prevent any movement. Of course, all slides should be, for the baby, should be closed. Absolutely agree. And for the child, for the big parks, I see a lot of areas, super high climbs with very big opening space. Child easily can fall from each, this one part. This one, it's a five to, even for, yes. Two to five, I see the slides opening should be completely closed. And all walls, even climb walls should be minimized area where you can, child can easily fall. Even child fall from this height can have a concussion and we can go straight to the hospital. We don't want this. I want to relax in the park, believe me, I'm a mom. I would come to park, and I want to go to this park. Because if I see these parks, for example, 5 to 12, and usually the kids jumping, crazy, running, fighting, playing within the pirates or something. And I see this many open areas, climbing, beautiful. But we want less challenge. We want to enjoy and relax. More slides, safety. Put everywhere where you see up areas, fine. You go climb and make all bars close so we don't worry about this. They can jump, they can push each other because kids get crazy in the parks.

All right.

Please, to test it, take a child, run around, you know, and see any holes he can fall. So this is, we want to be safe.

Thank you. We're on a time constraint. So with that, I'm going to close it. Thank you very much for your time. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you for your questions. Thank you. Next presenter.

Mayor, while they come in, just a couple quick things. So lunch is downstairs. You're more than welcome to, at your leisure, just go downstairs, and we'll take a formal break a little bit later. That's number one. Number two, don't forget, so today's process, we're going to listen to everyone. And then if you'd like more time with one of the presenters, we could always bring them back at Tuesday's council meeting to have a more in-depth conversation as part of our process. So don't feel compelled or rushed today. With that said, we're going to have John Bell.

Ben, do that outside. We need to get the next presenter. We'll get John Bell to come in.

What's that? I like that one.

What's that? I like that. I did too. And I love it.

Boys would love it.

I don't care what it is.

You could put mermaids. Yes. With the pirates. Oh, and then the boys would be insulted. You could have the pirates. Yeah, you could do both.

But if they don't forget about the transgenic.

Right. What about the transgender?

Don't forget about them.

They're very important. Oh, my god.

Don't even go there, Glenn.

Guys, welcome. Just want to remind you guys, you're on a 10-minute time constraint, and we're sticking to it.

Hello. Fernando with Playworks, working alongside John Bell, proposing our presentation to you, our park for you. So keep it simple. It's nice. It's pretty. It's gorgeous. I'm done. And it's free? And it's free. No, no, no, no. I just said it's nice and pretty. Pretty is not free. So based on the design and the concept that you guys all wanted to do, our presentation, the two layouts, the five and 12-year-old and the two to five-year-old range, we went with a concept that color scheme and everything wanted to be coastal, tropical colors for you. For the two to five-year-old range, well, this right here, this is the five to 12. So we went with multiple slides, including a spiral slide, net climbing experiences. One of the things that we wanted to provide for you guys all, for the children when they're playing, is simply different types of mobility and climbing structures. So you'll have a bunch of overhead elements, three different overhead elements. You have obviously the high-capacity swings, the net climbing experiences, the rope scramblers, things that keep it mobile. And children, at the end of the day, when we take our kids to the park, very simply put, let's get them tired. and let them have a good time and memorable. The color scheme that we went with, like I said, we wanted to do something different that's tropical and coastal, but is also not falls within what people typically think of South Florida color schemes. You know, I'm tired of that neon thing of pink and blue. So we went with this color palette. But one of the options that if there's something that you prefer, maybe a little slightly different, we can change that for you. It's not at any cost extra. From a shade element standpoint, one of the things that we also decided we used, obviously, to fit within the budget that you all wanted without going over was using the elements of the playground structure. So, for example, that thatched roof, you know, giving that tropical feel to it, but at the same time it provides shade. It comes with the equipment and it provides a shade element along with a modular shade attached to it. The palm trees, the palm trees they're designed to do obviously for aesthetics, but also providing additional shade. So using the elements of the shade structure itself, of the playground structure that's there, but providing some shade for you, and also providing vertical landmarks, things that are aesthetically pleasing, that are different, that are unique, so that when people are driving by or checking it out, oh, something different, something cool that you don't really see elsewhere. Okay. This shading, obviously, as you know, it's cooler play surfaces and things like that. We also implemented shade structures for the picnic area, the tables that are there so that parents can, obviously, when they're bringing something to eat or munch on or for parties, there'll be shade structures on the tables. The layout that we designed for the swings, and this is as well as why it's there, is based on the designs that we know as far as the plans for the surrounding area around the playground. Behind the swings there, you're seeing it from the rear view point of view, is... We know that you're going to have trees and plants up there. So from a cost perspective, we realized it would be overkill to put a shade. You could actually install a modular shade onto there. But we chose not to do that simply because you're going to have shade already, natural shade coming from behind there. And then with the structures in front, there will also be some shade coming from the front as well. As you can see as well, we also are going to include two ADA compliant swings there on the right hand side. Again, our equipment as well, as with everyone else, is also ADA compliant, so there's also wheelchair accessibility, as you see where that little boy is there on the lower deck, the wheelchair accessibility. There's an example of one of our climbers as well, which is the Infinite Climber. Again, just create the rock climbing wall. These elements that we've included here is just, is once again, to provide you know, mobility and just fun for the kids to run across the bridges that's there, as well as the multiple slide options. The turf is the synthetic turf, 10 year warranty on that turf as well. We also can, if you choose to, can provide color scheme within the turf as well so if you wanted to continue with that aquatic maybe go with an aquatic feel maybe around the playground area we could include we could we could change it from green to give it a blue make it sort of feel like you're you know the children and give it a sort of aquatic lake water feel to it but the synthetic turf the one the advantage with that is we have a 10-year warranty on that in fact i believe our program and it's You want to just quickly go towards the end on the ecoturf? Keep going towards the end. That's the next one. There you go. So that's a Shawgrass 10-year warranty on that. Very low maintenance. That's the beauty of the synthetic turf. It comes with the base, crushed rock, and then a padding that goes underneath it, and then the synthetic turf. The only thing really with that that needs to be done as far as maintenance is just basically the guys come with a little blower, blow it out to keep it clean. And then every three to five years is just add a little more infill, which just keeps the blades upright at all times. As I said before, there are different color options if you want to add a different shade of color to the grass in certain areas. But we went with green all throughout. very durable, very low maintenance, and provides the cushioning and safe and fall zones that you all need for that. The wow factor on this is simple. I mean, go back. Everyone will tell you who, you know, what's the wow factor. Well, unless you're going to put some kind of space mountain kind of thing on it, it's all playground equipment. The wow factor we designed here was just simple. Make it aesthetically pleasing to you all. You know, make the design memorable, giving, you know, creating some of that coastal feel that you're looking for with the palm trees, the color scheme, something that just catches the eye but is not an eyesore. Okay, with different, you know, aspects, elements to it from the village counter panel to the birch bridge. As I said, the rock and pile with the palms, which not just aesthetically, but the children, especially from the two to five, easy for them to climb on and on that little rock pile as well. So again, it's another climbing element. As you see there with the color chart, just trying to make it a landmark presence for you all. and for the and for the community. A destination that you know, two major playing zones and multiple climbers, inclusive features and gathering areas that you know, at the end of the day makes it a destination for kids and parents to take their kids to play with at the park. Okay. Nothing more, nothing less. This isn't rocket science. It's just trying to keep it nice and simple for you all. With some additional elements like the turtle, the blowfish that we have there, we have as well there, which is a climber tunnel as well. Again, just keeping within the theme of tropical and coastal community. Photoworthy, that at the end of the day, hopefully, is what we've been able to present to you here. Something that when the children are there and parents are there and People want to take selfies, it's selfie-worthy. You know? It's that simple, folks. That's our wow factor. It's Little Tikes. You know, it's a brand name that everyone knows. We all have our children. We all had children. We all had little toys playing with that were little text toys. And so that's what we're trying to provide here, playground equipment that delivers comfort through shade, through safety, through the design, and joy when the children play, from the rockers to the bridges to the slides to the climbing elements, and then providing some shade elements so that they're not burning in the hot sun. Any questions.

Opening up. Vice mayor.

How high is the structure on on the option be.

The height. On the structure for on that one on the 2 to 5 year-old of the 5 to 12 now the 5 to 12 12 on the 5 to 12 year-old. The height on that one is me it's 8 feet. So it's the first light. It's the first light. Yes. How high are the palm trees? The palm trees are roughly... Let me see if I have...

They look higher than the... Yeah, they're... They're really high.

They're about... The rendering does a good job of giving it that kind of height, but it's the same height as the shade, which is about 12 feet. 12 feet? Yeah. I'm sorry to make you skip it.

Any other questions, Vice Mayor?

No. Is everything PVC?

Everything is... With the exception of the posts.

With the exception of what?

The steel... The posts. The posts are steel.

The post or what?

The post, the columns that are holding the equipment together, those are steel.

Okay. Okay, Councilman Bernstein. Anything else? Councilman Bernstein?

I like the contrast of the artificial turf and the grass. I like that green-green. Yeah. But can you go back to the two-and-a-five-year-old one?

Yeah, that's a two-and-a-five.

And so... two to five are going to be climbing up this ladder that ladder yeah and that that ladder is about okay just yeah yeah okay i mean just to yeah i agree raising questions on the sure yeah people being having to be on top of them or not no absolutely absolutely and and if you see the layout as well that's why one of the things we also designed with the with the seating was also to give

There's a bench there where parents can keep an eye out. And it's all within fall heights. Everything is designed within the fall height and safety zones for age limits. So that's why the two to five, it's only three feet. It's not that high.

Yeah, I agree with you that that ladder is a challenge for a two or three year old. I've been chasing them for the last five years. You know, they're going to fall through that their chin, whatever. Sure. And that can be changed if you wish. I understand the things like a ladder that they kind of climb across that feature in these.

That's not, well, that's not in the two to five year old because.

No, or five to 12. Yes. Can you show me that if you have that kind of feature? Five to 12.

Five to 12.

Where they, you know, because the kids like to hang at various rods and do, and so far this is the first one that has that. Do they have it?

Can you just show me where that? There's multiple climbing elements that we have on the five to 12 year old.

Yeah. But the kind that they, you know, you hang on it and you put your legs.

I call them monkey bars because that's a monkey bars. But yes, technically they call it overhead climbers.

And that ladder over there. Yeah.

So we have, so as you can see there, like I said, we have multiple, multiple climbing options. You have the ring one, which that is what you would think of the old school monkey bars, except just circular. Then you have a ring option, the ring handle option there. Obviously, the, I call them pull-up bar options there for children to play with. On the other end, if we have another, we should have another, a couple more images.

Well, stop, go back. Real quick, while you're on that, the shade structures, are those made out of the same material?

The shade structure is, well, the frames are steel. And then it's a fabric. It's the same construction.

The brown one's fabric too?

No, the brown one is actually PVC.

It's actually a hard top.

It's not, it's not, it's not a hard top. It's not a, it's not a fabric. The only fabric there is, is a, is a shade, is a shade struck the modular shade.

And there was a thought, because I think I, when I thought with you yesterday, town manager, you said that they were thinking of repurposing the shade structure we have currently at Tweedle park. I think you see it. They have a little area like the village something where you the window Oh real quickly and I'm just saying this as an aside I know we're probably it might be a turf or other type of structure We may want to think about a little area of cement Where you can do chalk and they can draw with chalk on that area. That's a big there's exterior sidewalk in those areas Okay, that's a big pastime of the kids

It's great big chunks of talk and on it.

Yeah. And I see it's all turf, but we somewhere down the road.

We can lay out incorporate. We can and we can cut out a specific area that you may want.

Town manager, you have a question. Is there anything? Is there anything that spins?

No, we did not put any spinning elements there.

You could spin the kid and then put him on there. Twist him around.

Grab him and twirl.

Believe it or not, spinning now. It's big.

So could we add a spinning? We can add a spinning element. I mean, we can do whatever you want.

Those of us who are grandparents now know the importance of spinning.

And our old park has a spinner. Pirate grandparent. Our old park has a spinner. And as you can see, like I said, we have...

I know you've been waiting patiently. Do you have any questions? No? Perfect. Thank you, guys. Really appreciate it. Have a good day. Good presentation.

Can I ask a quick question? Absolutely. So out in Vail in Colorado, they had a thing you held on, and it took you around in a circle.

Oh, yeah, there's a little glider.

I mean, it looks dangerous, but that was quite a feature.

It is a wonderful feature, and there is that element.

Yeah.

Again, I mean, simply put. Everything all within budget.

Okay.

The budget is going to be the key. That's that wow factor that we're talking about, and it is?

The turf you're in sewing, approximately per square foot?

$10 per square foot.

Yours is $10, and it is the Shaw product.

It's the Shaw product. It's exactly what... Fading on that?

Does it fade? It...

I'll tell you, especially here in South Florida, because of the weather, I mean, everyone will tell you, oh, no, 15 years with the rain, with the salt and the sun. If you properly maintain it, occasionally giving it some watering because the watering will help cool it off as well. If the maintenance comes from time to time, it'll last longer. maybe about eight years before you see some changing in the fading, as long as it's properly maintained. Now, the beauty with Shaw is that it's a 10-year warranty. Thank you.

So if there's anything, it could be fixed.

Thank you. Thanks, guys.

Appreciate it. Thank you, guys.

Next one. 360.

You bring the sandwiches in so we can eat while they talk?

That would be a good idea. Eric?

What? $35.

That was the first one?

First one.

Interesting that everybody is showing muted colors.

They're showing what?

All muted colors. Like greens, like blues. It's irrelevant. None of those primary red, white, and blue.

I don't care what they spend on the grass.

They used to.

I don't think any of them knew what their cost per square foot first guy said 35. I think I think it's wrong Yeah

Ben, what I would do is rank them. I heard on the phone, you gave us a thing.

So I'm just going through ranking one to five in grades.

I mean, I'm just giving grades one to five. Welcome, guys.

Just want to remind you, you have 10 minutes and we're going to go and take a quick recess so we can get their presentation loaded onto our computer system. So if you if you'd like to just go to the sandwiches downstairs.

OK. Should we just go down there and back up for anyone on Zoom?

We're just going to take a quick five minute recess.

slide in there benster how's your appointment go recording stopped by ear you know whatever good guy

We did it with a company that does it. Literally, we're on a plane, and we would stay either one or two nights in every camp.

But we would go to Victoria Falls.

We did the Wine Country.

Yeah, my ear gets, he's going to do it, and I'll come in next Tuesday. Tuesday, 1 o'clock. And he doesn't want to do the arm training. I can't award it.

Thanks.

You guys good? Do you guys need anything?

Thank you, Eric. I guess a straw?

Yeah. Thanks. Recording in progress.

I don't remember what I ordered.

There are 360s right here.

Oh, shit. Can I eat all this? You want some roll-eats? What did you get?

I thought it was a chicken. I didn't know what I got. I think it was called the chicken mix.

When does Andrea come in?

What a vision you have. You inspire me so much. When I heard you were jumping out of a plane, I'm like, how can I not jump? Judy's going to jump out of a plane.

But the wind, the prevailing wind blew it all away.

Ken wasn't going to do it. I don't care what he says. He was going to chicken out on that.

I'm still going to do it. Don't forget, I'm used to being in planes, just not jumping out of them. I have my pilot's license.

Yeah, so this would have been the first time you ever jumped out of a plane?

First time I ever jumped out of one, yeah.

Well, you inspired me. Well, I'll tell you.

You're with the Golden Knights.

Yeah, that's what, that was.

I don't know if I do it from a diving, a skydiving, a hokey, if you know what I mean.

Yeah, that was the difference, I think, for me.

All right, Mayor, good, we're good to go.

Sorry, guys. Thank you for your, thank you for that. You bet.

I was really surprised that I was the only one on council.

Good afternoon.

Thank you for the opportunity. Go on. Speak in the mic, please.

Good afternoon. Thank you for the opportunity. We're with 360 Recreation. I'm Tracy, and this is Jennifer Garcia. Jennifer did a lot of the designing, so any input on that, we can ask her what is it as well. We designed the playground specifically for Golden Beach as a beach-inspired destination with two distinct play areas, 2 to 5 and 5 to 12, which you asked for, each thoughtfully tailored to its age group while still feeling like one cohesive experience. The capellan elements include a zip line for dynamic play, cubo playground structure that allows kids to climb from all angles inside outside inside they can reach the slide and go down it a turtle climber a dragonfly shade structure that not only serves as shade but as a visual focal point that enhances the park's identity as well we also included a duo swing that allows the parents and caregivers to engage alongside their child and swing with them while the Shade was a major priority in our design. The two to five pirate ship is covered by a hip shade structure. That's in the two to five area. The main, well, the inclusive spinner and climbing turtle are each covered by dragonfly shade structures. So there's three different shade units on the playground. The main tower, which is in the five to 12 area, includes an integrated roof that provides a shade. And the seating areas in both areas have tables and benches that are covered with canopy shades. that can be adjusted for maximum protection from the sun. Well now, we'll walk you through the presentation and visualize some of the key elements. We used a two-part safety surfing combination of artificial turf and PIP, IPDM rubber. The third image is a play pad that goes underneath the turf. We combine poured-in-place and artificial turf to maximize both safety and long-term value by incorporating two types of safety services in children, not only a benefit for the enhanced fall protection and accessibility, but also experience different textures underfoot, adding another layer of sensory engagement and play value. And we'll go to the next slide here, showing the custom pirate ship, which is a two-to-five unit. It's adapted for accessibility, safety, and inclusive play. creates a vibrant beach-inspired environment that aligns with Golden Beach's character. It supports sensory, parallel, and cooperative play for varied developmental needs. We'll go to the next structure. These are some of the key elements here that I wanted to point out. The bottom right has a canopy table and a bench as well. They look really similar. The roofs can be adjusted for more optimized sun protection. The sea turtle is a climber. And it's quite large. I wanted to point that out. It's almost eight foot wide, three foot tall. So it's not only, you know, it doesn't do it justice on the renderings. It's quite a large item. And then you can see the duet swing with the parent on the top right. And the dragonfly as well, too. You can see from that image the size of this. It's, you know, 12 foot high with a 21 foot wingspan. And there's two of those in the parks, one on each side. And there's another image of the two to five structure showing some of the panels. There's a lot of nautical panels in here that took a lot of design and creativity. And there you can see a lot of the panels there with the nautical designs. And there's another side of the two to five playground showing the swing set with a duet swing set for the parent and child. The ADA accessible swing in the center and a taut seat. There's a good picture of the table that has the canopy top on it as well. Another side of the playground showing a trio panel there that has three different games on it. A whimsical panel, a dump truck game in the center where they can dump the rocks for the kids, go down the maze and a spelling word on the far right. And there's a great image of the other side showing the turtle and also has turtle steps as well too. Again, the turtle is quite large and has off to the side the turtle shell steps. And another overhead showing the different safety surfacing. As you can see, the PIP rubber is under the two to five playground with two different colors.

The tan's also the EPDM rubber.

The green is artificial turf. Give you that more natural look. And we'll move on to the 5 to 12 structure next. It's a custom beach-inspired playground tower. We chose a tower because this area in the 5 to 12 does have some trees back there that probably will not be able to be removed, and the tower will go well there. It features flowing forms, coastal-themed panels, and imaginative climate and exploration elements. It also includes your town logo, and I'll show you where that will go if we're chosen, hopefully. Panel for added community identity. The bottom right there is our Cubo playground, which is a really neat playground. It's new in the market, but it's very cool. The key elements is the zip line, top right. Your custom panel with a town beach logo. The well and octopus wall climbers, and we'll point that out in just a second. They're climbers that are on the playground, and it has a nautical theme, and they're climbers, not just panels. The Cubo Duo Series Playground, which invites dynamic play as kids find ways to explore from all angles. The Easy Spin Inclusive Playground Spinner features a supportive, gentle reclined seat with a comfy rubber seat and slide rails. It's designed for children with limited body control, the support they need to enjoy spinning with ease. And we'll go to the, here's a good shot of the playground. It's a tower and that's a seven foot slide. So it does have a wow factor there. It does go up pretty high. We also included toppers on the post to give it that tropical theme. We'll move on to the next slide there. And there you can see the climbing panels. There's a whale climbing panel. And that's for climbing. It's not just for looks. And it's also to the left as an octopus one just as well too. And you could see to the bottom right there's a boat anchor and above that is where we thought about putting your town logo. Under those panels is also benches inside the playground itself. So it's quite unique. And there's a lighthouse panel there as well too. There's another good look there. You can see the two climbers. The boat anchor, the place where your town logo will go, the entrance into the benches below the decks. There's a spinning chair with a playground in the distance there. And there's the Cubo Playground. This is really unique. You can climb from the outside, the inside. You enter from the, you climb through the, you climb through, enter and climb up the cube where you can slide down the slide or enter through the ladders. There's also custom panels on it as well too. There's another look at it. It's got a, one side of it has a net for climbing as well.

What do you call that thing?

It's a cubo playground. Cubo Q-B-O. There's an overhead picture of the 5 to 12 showing the zip line, which is one of the key elements and some of the benches and tables and our tower playground. There's a trash receptacle there and it was included on each park and our playground equipment warranty here. I think, you know, we have an exceptional warranty but I think you have that already in the package provided. So we scoot by that and show the dragonfly that'll be in both areas. Again, that was a 12 foot by with a 21 foot wingspan. So it's quite unique. And the structure on the right, that's a hip shade structure. That's what will go over your pirate ship in the two to five area. And there's a 2D drawing. It goes over, you know, the elements of each playground. Sunshade warranty. And then the Zoomerang. We're going to, you know, end with a little video of the Zoomerang Zipline. If you could click on that.

The Zoomerang Zipline brings high-flying thrills to the playground with its sturdy and speedy track-style design. Kids can launch securely from the ramp, then ride the rubber seat across and back again, either seated or standing. Available in 40, 50, and 60-foot lengths, Zoom Ring will have kids lining up for more.

That's it. Other than one thing I wanted to bring up really quick was the child capacity. The child capacity on the two to five and this is true play value. There's no added to it There's 61 users for the playground area The play I mean not the area itself the for the playground the area itself is estimated at 91 kids Could be there playing at one time the 5 to 12 area has a 79 users is what we've come up with on that, and that's true users. Overall, it's 120 for that area, for the 5 to 12 area. And we appreciate the opportunity. Thank you.

Mayor, if I could ask the first question, because I see that you highlighted that zip line. So we used to have a zip feature in our park area. that we had to get rid of almost right away because of the salt air environment, it wouldn't slide at all. It was a constant nightmare. So if we chose not to go with that zip area, what would be an alternative to that zip area? Because it just doesn't function in this type of an environment.

It's fully encased in it and what it has inside being encasement is skate is high-end skateboard wheels Rollerblade wheels. I'm sorry rollerblade wheels, but we certainly could Suggest other items because we we have a lot of other neat neat features as well to expand on the playground Okay

Ours was a different technology.

Our technology, it's changed a lot.

You remember it, right? Ours didn't have the skateboard wheels.

Yeah, it's enclosed for more protection now. And these high-end bushes and wheels, it's built for the coastal area. And it does come, you know, everything here does have the extra primer on it as well, too. I didn't bring up that. So it has two coats for primer. The painting as well, too, for the Florida area. Conditions and the tables and benches have that same thing as well tables and benches can be painted to match the playground It's pretty unique for you know with that as well, too So and it also comes with the coating the primer coating as well, too I'm gonna open up question vice mayor, please just The five to twelve Park has no swings, correct? Correct. It does not have any swings But they can swing on the zipline

It can, you said?

The zip line, that could be considered a swing. But, yeah, that may be an option, too, if you want to change out the zip line. You certainly could put belt swings there. But take in mind, they do take up a lot of room. The swings are double the height, front and back. So an eight-foot swing would be 16 in front, 16 in back, and six on the side. So a swing just eats up so much of your playroom. It's just, you know.

And the smaller kids' playground only has three swings, right?

It has three swings, it does. It has the ADA swing, the tot swing, and the duet swing. You can't share another bay with that duet swing. And the ADA can sit next to the tot swing, but you could not put a belt swing in there.

That doesn't meet code.

Our park now when the kids are there, there's always they're always using the swings there Are they somebody there on the belt swings as well, too?

But we cannot we could certainly add a another bay over there with a belt swing or Have one over here at it as well too because five to twelve has some room to grow it does there's more than the five to twelve area than the two to five, but we certainly could add a A belt swing on those swings another thing that I didn't bring up they they include anti-swing wrap mechanisms So for vandalism some kids would throw the belts over the top or take the ad a chair over the top These will not do that. There's an anti, you know It's a counterbalance weight that keeps it from going over the top rail scoring up your top rail and damaging your equipment That's also There as well No, no questions councilman Bernstein

I really liked your dragonfly and the shade structure. I was a little confused, though. You showed it for a second. You were going to put a canopy on top of the dragonfly or on the five? That was on the two- to five-year-old, the red canopy you showed.

The only shade structure is over the pirate ship itself. That's a 30-by-35 hip shade structure, which is the red one that I showed you. Can you go back to that slide? Is that?

But there's nothing there's no like feature on the 5 to 12 correct, there's no sim there is a sim, okay Go back to that slide the time the time is it right go back.

I think it was towards the end. Was it? Yeah, it was toward the end Oh, there it is.

Okay. It's almost to the end there. It shows a dragonfly in the hip structure. And the reason that's a hip structure, it's got a, there you go, there's a frame inside the shade itself that gives you more support than a loose flying fabric that will blow in the wind and tear and get holes. I'm just unclear, what is this?

On the red structure. For the red, what is the red portion of it?

The red is just the fabric. That can be changed to any color.

What's it over?

It's over the two-to-five pirate ship structure.

So does that two-to-five structure, I want to see the inside of that.

There you go.

Approximately what square footage? What's the perimeter?

30 by 35. 30 by 35.

The tower that you have, how high is that?

The first deck is seven foot. The slide is seven foot.

That one, that tower with the slide.

Yeah, that deck at the bottom is seven foot. So it goes up another.

No, the other one, the big one. That's higher than seven feet.

Oh, just the slide is at seven foot. It goes up 15 foot. The tower is 15 feet? So going back to that, Jim.

15 foot, yeah, okay. So the red canopy only goes over the two to five and only dragonflies are over...

One of the dragonflies is gonna go over the turtle and the step Stones and then the other one on the 5 to 12 will be over the easy spinner Over the I'm sure these spinner on the 5 to 12 I think what council and I the birdseed and I are trying to figure out is in the 5 to 12 area Okay, so let's focus on the 5 to 12.

Is there any shade structure that encompasses a large swath of area?

The shade that is in the 5 to 12 area is the roof that's on the tower. The canopy tables, the canopy bench, the dragonfly that has the long wingspan. So that's the only shade. There's no other shade than that. You're seeing the two on the corners there. The dragonfly will go. See the chair in the center? It will go in that brown area there. It's a cantilever dragonfly that stands up and cantilevers over with a wingspan of approximately 21 foot. Oh, so the dragonfly's in the middle. Yeah, in the middle. Now, we could place that anywhere you would like for aesthetics.

And just to just, I know you gave the dimensions, but does that cover roughly half of that?

It would cover over half that circle there. Okay. That's there. It is 12 foot high. Now... If you would like it. Go back to the, yeah. What we have done on shades.

I'm sorry, so the dragonfly would cover that entire circle and cover more? Or just that circle?

I believe that circle is 12 foot wide, so it'll be larger than that. Usually the radius on the Springer, you know, the fall zone is 12 to 15, so it should cover that entire area there. Okay.

Okay. Councilman Einstein?

Yeah, real quick. You talked about the zip lines coming in different lengths. What length are you proposing on this one? 40. 40. It comes to 60, though, too, right? Yes, it does. Okay, so on a 40, approximate cost on that? We can get it from the bid sheet, I assume.

Yeah. We'll have to supply you that because that's jumping up two more sizes, but you do have room to expand for sure if you really like the zip line to make it larger, more. But how much is the 40 one?

Oh, how much is it? Approximately.

Oh, you can come back. You can find it. I just got the question.

Okay. Just for councils, when we finalize everything, swings are big. You don't want to wait around for your kid to, you know, screaming and hollering, wanting to use the swing. When there's waiting lists, you can attest to that. There can be a lineup, your two-year-old, three-year-old. I want to swing, and the parents are trying to jostle the thing. So three swings aren't going to make it. That's not going to do it. You're just never going to make it.

So that's 40-foot long.

Just so when we... Yeah, you have enough room for... Park benches, what do you have here figured in your bid? How many places to sit down are...

There's a canopy table and a canopy bench there for sitting down. Now, there's more benches underneath the playground itself for kids to sit on, but there's two different separate areas for family to sit at. So there's two benches, basically. There's one table, one bench in each area. That's it? That's it.

Okay. Another thing we need to consider is benches. That could be an add-on or whatever, but benches are people need to sit somewhere.

That would actually reduce the cost quite a bit if you went to the swing set instead of the zipline. How much was it? $24,000 for the zipline. For our 40-footer. 40-footer.

Okay. And the zipline was how much? $24,000. I'm sorry, so the swings are less than the $24,000? Yes. Okay. Significantly.

Do we have any ladder features where they go across? It's hard to see from the illustration.

There is some climbing on the 5 to 12 on two different playgrounds there. On the Cubo has climbing. That one, you can see it there to the left of the slide. And the playground has several climbers on it.

That cuby thing that you were showing before, you had a kid sitting in the middle of it and a kid climbing over him and it was an opening.

There's a place to go inside of it.

What happens if that kid falls down on top of that?

It's all angled. Every so many inches of it's angled to protect them so they can't fall just straight down.

Can you back up one more where you have the cubes?

Yeah, you can see the only entrance is on the bottom right.

I mean, I like the cubes. It's hard to tell.

Can't fall very far there. On the nets is what's built that way.

There's a kid climbing on one No, no, no, no No No, I don't see any kids now there was a kid call it is that it the cubo corner Want to keep it moving sorry I

Any other public comments? Yes?

We certainly can do that.

Certainly do that. And the child parent swing can be added on either side if you wanted one for both sides. You know, if you have, you know, if you have older children and your younger children want to be on that side, we can certainly add, you know, three base swing with one of those as well.

Three slides. And there is.

Okay, there is three slides there currently. We certainly can do enclosed tunnel slides, but we found that with the tunnel slides that You get a lot of, especially in the beach area, vagrants hiding and doing things. The parent can't see the kid in the slide. Right.

I'm so sorry.

Yeah.

So some slides in the parks, they have half clear. So they have closed, clear too, and closed. Yeah, one section will have a clear. Yes. Nobody's stuck there, nobody.

Right. Thank you, guys. Great. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate your presentation. Thank you. Appreciate it.

We can adapt to anything you need. So we'd be more than glad to revise it. You guys have a good day.

Zip line. It was a rope I saw, right?

Is there a post? It's a rope in a seat. It is.

Oh, it's a rope in a seat. You don't have like hangers where they...

No, it's a rope in the seat where they can stand on it or sit on it. It is at an angle where you don't have to go all the way to the other end and bring it back either. Once you make it to the other end, the kid can come back this way. The old school ones you have to go down and grab the rope, bring it all the way back because it's an angle slanted. This one's not. Thank you. I appreciate it.

You have a good day.

Thank you.

Mayor and Council, while we wait for the next presenter, one of the things that I was thinking we were going to do with whichever vendor we decide to move forward with, whatever they allocated for trash bins and benches, we're going to take that as a credit because we have a stylistic look for the park. that we already worked with landscape forums. And so we have a design for benches that we want to keep the park to be consistent. So what will and clearly we would add more. By the way, we already made the decision to go away from that wood and metal that we put by the pickleball. It fades too quickly. We're probably going to go back to the traditional benches that we've had in North Park and South Park that been there for 12 years, 15 years and not a single issue with them. And even though they're black, they don't get hot. So we're thinking about just having one consistent furniture look throughout the park. So know that we're going to take that as a credit to us, and then we supply it.

Next vendor, please. They're coming. They're coming.

I'm just filling time.

Good afternoon.

Good afternoon. How are you?

Thank you for coming.

Of course.

Just want to remind you, you have 10 minutes.

Okay, Miracle South Florida. You're our current playground. Yeah, okay, all right So just before the record miracle is our is the current playground that we have in Turtle Park. Oh

Oh, it is. At Tweedle Park, yes. It's been there for about 30 years. It feels that way. Yeah, so, of course. Well, my name is Connie Brown, and I am the owner of Miracle of South Florida. We are the South Florida agent for Miracle Recreation. So we bid this directly as a manufacturer, so through Miracle Recreation. And the design that I put together for you guys is, you can go to the next screen, is I wanted to base it on an ocean aquatic ship theme. So the concept basically, this is the five to 12 playground. This side, looking from this view over here on the right hand side, it's showing some of the rock sculptures and the basic ship bow portion of it at the front. So if you flip the screen This shows the overall plan view. And what I did on this one, because I was able to look up your permit from when we did some improvements in 2018. And we installed a shade systems, a 35 by 35 foot shade structure for you guys. And it's still under warranty. We did inspections and we can do a refurbishing, repaint and reinforce the welds. It's again, the frame is, it's a 20 year warranty. Your fabric has a 10-year warranty. It's still under warranty. Included in my proposal is to replace the fabric, reinforce the welds, repowder coat in the field, the shade, and I designed everything around the existing shade. I also kept all of your trees. We love natural shade. I thought it went really well with the whole concept of the playground structure itself. keeping with the natural theme as well so if you look over on this side of the main structure you can see the concept and you'll see when the next screens are as if the ship were were in trouble and it was like rocky waters and then you hit the rocks. And so if you go to the next screen, sorry, one more. Again, sorry, I'm trying to get through here. So there's two rock sculptures. So those would be climbers that would get off so that you hit the rocks and then there's a whale that comes up and says hi. These are actual GFRP and GFRC. The GFRP is a polymer material and it has texture in it so the kids have good grip on it. It has a 10-year warranty on those sculptures and structures. It's something different that you don't typically see in a playground, especially in South Florida. Children don't get to climb on rocks and have that experience typically in the South Florida playground. The one water rock there that you see the closest one to us that has a tunnel system underneath it as well. So it's like a cave. This is an actual installation showing that same rock sculpture in a similar type playground to see the scale of it and how nice it looks really in person. It's kind of hard to tell in a rendering. This is also another version that both playgrounds do have the handicap transfer stations that are also those sculptures. The canoe is included in the two to five playground as well. So we also included the safety surfacing half of it. This is a 10 spin that's also included in the 5 to 12 playground. The overall surfacing for the playground for the 5 to 12 area, half of it is poured in place and there would be a concrete curb surrounding the entire playground. There would also be a concrete curb that separates the engineered wood fiber, which is a mulch material from the port in place. So you would have a division, but there wouldn't be concrete exposed in the center of it. It would be a smooth transition. This will also keep the root system from your existing trees from causing an issue with your port in place, because that's something that does happen when you have trees, especially well-established ones like you do in that particular area. So the next we'll go to the two to five area. What we did is did an integrated shade on this structure. We tried to mimic as far as a design is concerned and a smaller scale for a ship theme. So you can see the the panels and the ship bow. It's a double-decker, so there's play value underneath the structure as well, as opposed to the elevated platforms. And we did an integrated shade, which is 30 foot by 30 foot. Also an integrated shade on the swing structure, which gives you just under 1,500 square feet of shade in the two to five area. All of the poured-in-place surfacing includes the entire area, including a concrete curb containment around the whole entire outside, which is handicap accessible 100%. It's over 4,000 square feet, so there's just poured-in-place. So we didn't have a root system. It's a new site, so we wouldn't be worried about that as far as longevity is concerned. A lot of site furnishings, plenty of places for families and children to be able to sit around and enjoy the space. many different occasions. We also included the sculptures on this one as well in the two to five range, so everything is age appropriate. IPMA certified and handicap accessible. It's showing patterns as far as different color changes, so that's completely up to you, so if you wanted to make changes. This is also showing a GFRP, which is the polymer resin sculptures, which are Vibrant and colorful if you can pick your colors so any of the colors can be changed to mimic whatever you'd like To show as far as that's concerned So there's also a canoe and so this is like the the floor is lava so they could go from the canoe to the rocks and then Transition right over to the whale tail or we could call it a mermaid tail The kids like to use their imagination. So that's that's a fun different way, but we can also change the patterns I did this as though it was the ocean and there's sand around it and then there's some grassy area as far as a color change in the port in place. There's another one here. There's a music station that's also included. So this is actually tuned music component. So the children, if children have any music ability, they can play the piano or play the drums. These components actually do work well together as far as a music station is concerned. Again, it's positioned in an area where families and caregivers can be centrally located around it to watch all the children play. The next one, this just shows another view, which includes the same theme concept of the ship, the transfer station, which is where you would transfer from a wheelchair onto the structure itself, which is the GFRC. So that's the molded concrete with fiberglass reinforcement. It's painted 10 year warranty. They are indestructible in South Florida. That's my favorite product to be able to go to. They are very well received in the field in South Florida. These are pictures showing the actual, that's the transfer station on the left-hand side. So that is on both structures. That is a wheelchair accessible transfer point, which looks like a rock and a tree and very colorful. And then the right-hand side is the whale. So you can see the scale next to a child, which would be about four or five years old. And that has the grip on it also. So it's a surface that makes it easy for children to grip on. And then there's across the back of it for them to hold on to. I'm sorry? Is that a killer whale? It's a blue whale. It's a blue whale. And then colors are, you know, we can definitely show different color options if you want it to look different. This shows a picture example of another playground that has the music station, just so you can see as far as scale is concerned, the children actually playing on the music stations.

Where is that?

That particular one, I'm not sure. I just pulled it out of the gallery, so it may not be in South Florida. We have them all over.

But would that be in the 2 to 5 or in the 5 to 12?

It's in the 2 to 5. That one's in the 2 to 5, sure.

It's the amount of swings.

And do I have any more slides? Okay, here, I just wanted to do a breakdown just so, because I separated them on the proposal when I submitted it originally, but the overall budget changed to 700, so this is the breakdown. In the 5 to 12 area, there is just under $400,000 worth of actual equipment, manufactured equipment. Two to five area, just over 300,000. The combined material value is over $400,000 in a $700,000 budget. Miracle Recreation chipped in a 28% discount, which is $115,000 off the material cost, which was how we were able to give you so much equipment for $700,000 and still include port-in-place surfacing. So that pretty much covers.

Sure. So I love the the creativeness is trying to keep the existing shade structure because I was sharing with the council that it is relatively new, but we are raising the elevation there. So and it's only like, I believe, three feet, three foot elevation change. OK, we're going to go consistent with the tennis courts. So I'm not sure what the grading is, but would that play a factor in that decision?

It would not to say that we can't make it work because we do have all of your engineering. And if the, well, the building department is probably going to want us to, to re-permit that I would assume because it would, they would have to come out of the ground and then be raised. So that would definitely play a factor.

Or could we fill some of the basin? Is there enough head space? I guess my question is, is there enough headroom for what you're proposing?

I would have to reevaluate that two feet. Yes, I know. But three feet, that would be on the, on the verge of where I'm not sure without having without checking. It's probably less than three because that's so we're going we're gonna filter to the second steps of the pavilion But we'll talk about that, but it can certainly yeah look into that I always didn't get real aggressive because your shade was much taller than it needed to be It's a 14-foot Eve. It only needed to be 12. So I knew I had two feet to play with Okay, so if it's more than two feet, we would certainly have to look into that Is there more room for more swings I There is, well, something would have to go. So in the five...

In which play area? Two to five? In the two to five.

Oh, in the two to five. Yes, because there is the music stations, I spread them out. They don't require a fall zone, so we could certainly turn the angle of the swings and add more.

So yes, there is room. Can you show the swings?

It would be the plan view of the two to five.

Their park has actually lasted well.

Yeah, no, I know. The park's been great. Councilwoman Luskin?

We wouldn't have to lose anything to put the swings in, right?

No, I would just shift. The freestanding music stations don't require fall zones, which is the six-foot space that you have to fall. It wouldn't be too crowded. No, no, no. You'd have plenty of room. I spread them out because you had the room.

Slide the five to seven, the other age group, just real quick. but now we're gonna have two play areas. That's where the dolphin and everything is in the open?

Yeah, so on the slides, there's one, two, three, four, five. So there's six slides on that structure on the five to 12. Okay. And the decks.

I really love the music stations. With the swings, I'm sorry, I'm just confused how many we actually have and where they're located. I saw the slide, but they're in the two to five.

They're both. Both areas have swings.

All right, that's the 5 to 12, and that looks like it has four sets there. So there's four sets in the 5 to 12?

In the 5 to 12, there is a multi-user swing, which is very popular right now. If you don't like that, then we can change that to two more belt seats. But there's two belt seats and a multi-user in the 5 to 12.

And one of the features that the city manager had said, which I love, is those – The spinning ones? Is that something that you have also that you can offer?

The spinners are on there. There's two different kinds. So on the 5 to 12, there's a 10-spin, this one. That's a handicap accessible spinner. So children can transfer from a wheelchair. They can sit or stand. And then also there's the Maypole, which is the overhead spinner. So the children reach up, and it's on the 5 to 12. They reach up and hold, and that spins around as well.

They don't do any longer the ones where you would run around and jump on the... The ones that go around, do those exist anymore?

You can, but now there's governors on it because nobody wants to be sued. So, yeah, we still make them.

And it doesn't matter if we wanted to change the color or anything? Colors. Color doesn't matter.

Anything's interchangeable, so that makes it fun, too. So if you want more swings but less of something else or you want to shift things around, that's certainly open. Okay.

Councilman Einstein?

So what you demonstrated here... You showed that whale. Are all these items included or are some of these pictures showing representative stuff that we could have?

Everything's included.

Okay. So all the music, you showed the other park with the musical instruments that you did. Can you go back to that?

Yeah, no, that was just an image showing the children actually using it.

Are we getting all of those musical instruments?

No, you're getting the musical instruments that are on the design that was proposed.

What are we getting?

the musical instruments that are on design, so. In that picture, right? No, not in that picture, on the design. So you're getting the cabasses, which are the rainmaker. There's three of those. You're getting the bongos and you're getting the chimes. And then there's also what's called a tongue drum. So there's one, two, three, there's four. So if you like, for example, there's the chimes on there.

That is the...

The stand-up one, if you like the xylophone more than the chimes, and we can swap them out. They're all about the same value. I like chimes. So we're not getting the... That's not included in this design, no. In our old park. You do. That's why I didn't put it here. And is it movable or not? Absolutely.

And it's in really good shape.

We can repurpose that.

It's still under warranty. Oh, we can? Yes. Oh, great.

It's still under warranty?

Yes.

We recently added that, like, before COVID. Yeah, the kids like that.

Everything that we installed from 2018 is still under warranty in the little kids park.

Can you come back to that real quick? Do you have anything is like the little village they stand they look like a vendor and they're selling that is actually included underneath your structure Where would I see that type of thing you think? In the two to five Yes, so all of those are that one. Yeah 15 if we could look at slide 15. No, I'm sorry