Council Public Safety Committee - Regular Meeting

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Okay. Good evening or good afternoon. Today is Wednesday, 05/28/2025. It is 05:32PM. This is the Council of Public Safety Committee, and I did get a a call earlier from council member Bonilla, and he will not be able to come today because of work. But we still have court. So if we can have roll call.

Council member Roche? Present.

Present. Thank you. I'd like to move on to public comment. This is reserved for anybody who would like to make public comment on some of on the agenda not on the agenda. Is there any public comment? I don't see any cards, so I will move it. I don't know if there's anybody online. Seeing none, I will close public comment.

Do you have one? I was gonna say Yeah. They're behind.

Yeah. Do you have a gift card?

I have a card, but I'll fill it out.

Oh, okay.

Yeah.

Alright. We have one public commenter, and

mister Furious. Yeah. I was just wondering. Been through the last meeting and recent management change. Have you?

Since your last safety meeting and a recent management change, has any thought or any talking with HSV about program? I know it's been busy lately.

Okay. Appreciate that. Thank

you. Okay.

So I have to close public comment, and I'll move on to approve the minutes. So moved. I moved by mayor Pro Tem Roach, Second by mayor. And if there are no objections, they will unanimously pass. Moving on to, report and reports and action items. Item number two, which is police chief's report, and this is a report by, chief.

Good evening. Thank you for the opportunity to present tonight. Gonna give my first update consistent with previous meetings, and we'll start with the first slide here. This is a snapshot of our prime reporting for the month of March and April 2025. I'm not gonna go through the entire thing. The items that are highlighted in green are actually areas where we saw reductions. So that is a very, very positive thing. I do wanna highlight that under crimes against persons, you'll see some reductions, but an overall net positive. One of the stats that we did not share on this was just a basic basic assault battery, basically a bite. Those reports were which led to the overall number being up.

But as a as a general rule, going up and down this, we saw a 36% reduction during this time period when compared to the same time period in 2024 in crimes against property. So all of our property crimes And in crimes against society, we saw a 24% overall reduction. So that's a positive trend that I wanted to share with you in the community. Next slide, please. Again, our prime data.

So the left hand side of the slide is going to be a year over year comparison. So May 2023 through April 2024 versus '24 and '25. We are slightly up in crimes against persons, 5%, but again, a significant reduction in crimes against property. And then again, we are against crimes in crimes against society. Top five reported crimes have not changed.

Motor vehicle theft is our top crime. But if we go back to the last slide, as you can see there, we had a 43.5% reduction. I know that there have been conversations about some of our technology programs, including block camera programs that has been a significant contributor, to that particular stat. Right. Next slide again.

On some of our crime trends, burglary burglaries, particularly in the industrial using a vehicle to breach the building to gain entry. We see this at sometimes in liquor stores, really hard at ATMs, but we also see it in some of our legal marijuana grow locations. There are folks who are using apps like Facebook Marketplace or OfferUp to negotiate the sale of an item and form a lottery. We've seen businesses targeted for cigarettes and marijuana delivery drivers targeted for robberies where they're stealing product and catch. Next slide, please.

For the last two months, firearms confiscated, and you can see that here, a total of 39. Most of them commercially made, some of them privately made. So the privately made ones are kind of your ghost fence where people can border parts and put those together themselves. Next slide, please. Again, our campus data, left hand side of the slide, from March to April 2025, we had a total of two seventy one responses to campuses, majority of those being at the elementary school level.

We did, again, see some significant incidents that happened at some of our high school and middle school campuses. We had an individual show gun on campus at Tennyson High School. We had a stranger on campus that resulted in a arrest at a show in middle school and a mountain high school. We had several students bring some what would constitute an explosive device to a school to celebrate Monarch Day. If I recall correctly, these were Like, inspected.

Fireworks. But technically, I don't know why classified as explosive devices. Next slide, please. From January to April 2025, we served a total of 2,282 families, which is a good stat. This is for our youth and family services and social services impact. I won't cover the whole slide. I apologize for the small font. But we focus on social emotional learning, mental health, and social skills and relationship support. For a 133 students that received some fairly intensive individual group interventions. So, again, good work by our youth and family services bureau.

Of the referral sources, and I think this was highlighted the last time we had doctor Young here to present, thirty three percent of our cases were referred by schools, twenty five percent by law enforcement, twenty five percent by community self referral, and fourteen percent by probation. So eighty eight percent of the clients who completed these services were determined to be successful. This slide is representative of some of our community outreach efforts. Community engagement, we've held several events in the last two months, including community engagement events, neighborhood watch events. We've done some homeless outreach and also some encampment work with other city departments.

We've done some proactive crime prevention working to build out our capacities to do that through our district operations. Again, it's staff dependent, but the goal is to be able to be able to respond to communities and provide tips both in person and through our social media platforms to help folks protect themselves from being victimized. We do have upcoming events. Some of these are PD sponsored events and some of them are city sponsored events, but we will have a presence at the Downtown Street Party Series at the Juneteenth celebration. We are hosting again our HPD Youth Academy the July.

That typically ends up being full on the waiting list, so that's a great program for engagement with our youth. And then August 5, national night out, so get ready for the the block parties. And we have some traffic safety updates. We've issued 71 citations in the month of April alone in the downtown area. Just a variety of different violations. We've done presentations. We did have a fatal collision on May 9 that we investigated at Depot and Adrian, and then we are providing, as we have in year years past, doing motorcycle safety classes. This is taught by our motorcycle instructors and traffic bureau. It's a one day course that, again, fills up the waiting list. Next slide, please.

We have 19 sworn staff vacancies. Is that sorry. Did we adjust that after last weekend? Okay. We did have two resignations over this past weekend. 19 vacancies on the sworn side, 20 vacancies on the professional staff side. We're now over 30% of our sworn workforce available, and that includes or unavailable rather. That includes people that are injured, people that are in training, or off for one reason or another. We do have 10 trainees in the current academy. We have, I think, seven recruits who are starting the academy in June, so there's positive progress there.

And we are processing several out of candidates, police officers, other agencies who wanna come to work with us here in New York. And that's the extent of my update. I'm happy to answer any questions that you have.

Thanks. Thank you. So thanks. You know, I was glad to I'm glad to hear that the crime's against rate property rate is down. But I just had a few questions about things that I've seen, know, just on social media and hearing from other people. One is we don't hear so much about catalytic converter incidents anymore. Is that down? Is that like a is that

We've seen it drop off. Yeah. And I think there's a combination of things that have been attributed to that. Again, we've solved some cases, and we're working outside agencies to address it as as a region. And, again, the block cameras have been instrumental in being able to solve some of those cases. But the state changed the legislation now to where, you know, you have to show identifications to recycling centers before they'll accept these things. Okay. And I think that's been part of the turn effect. It still happens. Yeah. But it's not as prevalent.

Here, it's not all over the

place for a while.

Yeah.

I guess died off a little bit, which is good.

Good. Thanks. Yeah. And then and then also, I've seen a number of posts about cars in the cinema garage getting hit. Just, you know, their their windows being popped. There were several, I I you know, recently. So I'm just wondering if if you know about that, if we're doing some extra patronium there.

Which I'm sorry.

That's in my garage, the garage behind the movie theater.

Oh, I'm aware of it's just been a little bit. I don't know if it was during this reporting period, but there was one night where, let's say, seven cars were broken into. Although that's kind of more of an anomaly and not a regular occurrence, it does happen time to time. It's not just the the signal barking. It's, you know, we've got an. We've got an. Yeah. Okay. It is an issue that we're still dealing with. Okay. Yes.

Okay. Yeah. It sounds like you already know about it. The other one is, how are we doing on the mailbox stuff? Are flock cameras helping there? Because, you know, I know for a while we heard a lot about, you know, the the of the reserve and then some of the right. Preserves at the reserve. There's and a then some, you know, some other I think, you know, some of the properties down near downtown. So where where are we on that?

In terms of volume estimated to my office, because I I was getting a lot of community contact for a while there, it started off. And I think, again, you know, with long cameras, self dissolvability, but when it comes to mailbox theft, you know, it's typically a crime that's investigated by The US postal inspectors. We do work with them, although they only have, I think, like, one person assigned to this region, so they're stretched. The biggest issue with the mailbox theft was the fact that, you know, it's like a master key that opens all of them. And we know that mail carriers were being targeted for robberies, and they were seeking these keys out so they could go do that that activity.

What we're doing now, I think, is the city is trying to work with developers and homeowners associations to be able to harden up those mailbox banks Mhmm. And to make recommendations, you know, regarding lighting, security cameras, things like that to assist us in being able to solve those things. But it is still an issue, but one that we're not hearing about as often as we Yeah.

I know. It's so much fun. Okay. And we're good. Yeah. Maybe some of those measures are helping me. Okay. The other thing I was thinking is, you know, summer's coming at a fireworks issue. I did I read somewhere that some cities are having success or at least trying fireworks buybacks. Have we ever thought about doing that?

I don't know that we've talked. Never talked about it on that program for five hours.

Okay. Yeah. I just I I read about it in South City Of

The Arctic. Yeah. If you do have a if you have a point of reference, let us know. Yeah. I know.

I just thought yeah. I've tried it, and I just thought something because I know we're, like, we're gonna start hearing about it more and more. And then I hope we're gonna, you know, do our you know, I know annually you put out notices on social media and stuff like that to remind people about what

people are doing. Yeah. Because just, mean, previous years, there's gonna be a large kind of a large scale education slash, you know, social media campaign there. Yep. Then And we do physically go out into some of the neighborhoods that we have consistent issues in year over year, you know, the same places, you know, some of the parks, some of the parking lots and shopping centers become congregation areas.

So we do go out into the neighborhoods and surround those. We are working with our fire partners, with code enforcement, some other city staff to be able to put people out again. We're gonna go out and do kind of what we did before where we're gathering information to be able to act, you know, administratively and and site all the property owners for allowing that activity to take place. I will say in years past, we received a flurry of phone calls in the aftermath of July 4. I think last year, we had three people call to paint about fireworks.

So we've had some indication that there there is some form of an impact there. But I know it's an issue. I know where I live. If you walk up to the top of the hill, you can see open San Jose at this flight show. So it's not just a different specific issue. We'll continue to. Yeah.

I figured we just do our part from our our city perspective. And yeah. Thanks. Yeah. I'll send him a final article. I think was a city in Peninsula. Was right.

Yeah. Yeah. It'd be weird.

Yeah. And then, you know, Ray's not hearing. Tom brought up the issue, just some of the SRO issue. I just wanted to ask. First, because you said were the numbers up in calls to elementary schools, and and why?

I don't know why. I don't know the answer to that question. Typically, most of our call volumes at high school level, and then it kinda scales from Yeah. This this last reporting period was the opposite, and I think that's something that we have to take a look at. And, you know, again, the data that we present is not just is not just response during school hours, on school days. Right? It's it's all responses to

Oh, I see. So it could be after hours and paperwork.

It could be an after hour issue. It could be, know, if that school's verbalized, where people are targeting them for, you know, computer equipment, things like that. So that data is also contained in there. Okay. But we can drill down on Facebook and see if there's a trend there.

Yeah. And I know in this, or we were gonna talk about it at ageLOC. I think that was canceled this month. So I guess we'll we'll continue to talk about that. And

Yeah. There I think there's a lot of informal conversations that are going on about that particular issue, but I haven't participated in the. Yeah.

Think I can I'll send

you an email as well. Sure.

Okay. Let's see. I think that was it. Yeah. That was all I got. Thank you very much.

Thank you.

Yeah. I just wanted to respond to public comment about the SRO. Just a couple of points. One is, you know, the the school board trustees. They have certainly, caught wind of the conversations that we've been having here.

And so, I have been getting calls, and and so they know we are talking about this, and and which is good. I have also spoken with the superintendent, and I have been communicating with her that we are talking about this. I told her we were bringing this, you know, to the committee. I also I also shared with her, that this is a conversation that we are pursuing and with the end goal to restore SRO program in in one way or another. We can, you know, we we can be creative on how we sort of relaunch it and and do it.

And and so she, you know, was listening and, you know but I think, you know, the the reality the fact the reality is this, is that, you know, the superintendent, or not she supports this and and she has expressed, you know, a positive attitude around restoring it, the the conversation lies squarely on the school board. And and the conversations I've had with the school board, they've expressed positive, you know, feelings about this. And but I think what they're also thinking about, and and this is what we sort of talked about sort of informally, is to come up with a a good, creative, innovative way to relaunch this. And and and I think so they're there. I I guess the short of the answer is is that they're there and, you know, we may have to convince or not convince, but we may have to keep talking to maybe a couple of them to really outline a very clear vision about this.

But I think I think for the most part, we are moving in a positive direction with this. The other point is HLAC, and we did cancel cancel HLAC this next month. No. This month.

Yeah. It was the next weekend.

Yeah. We did cancel it. I'm gonna be out of town, And and there and we had, you know, a a management we are in a management transition right now. And so we, you know, we will continue this conversation. You know, just because we canceled the ageLOC doesn't mean that we can't pursue this conversation.

And what I would do is, you know, there are a couple of, you know, good public engagement activities coming this summer starting in June. We have street parties. We have national night out. We have you know, there's a lot of activities going on right now, and I would encourage the community when you talk to when you see school board trustees, talk to school board trustees, talk to our our school partners and and express to them the value that, you know, having safe campuses bring to a city. And so so anyways, I think you have asked a lot of the questions that that I was thinking about.

So if there are no more questions, I will close this item, and I'll move on to the next item, item number two, which is the fire cheese.

Do we have public comment?

Oh, public comment. That's right. Publiccom do we have public comment? I'd like to close public comment and move on to the fire chief report.

Alright. Good evening. Good morning. So I'll just go through this first one pretty quick. It's too small, particularly we can't read it.

Yep. Vernaculars.

Basically, we're we're following the same. This is a pretty standard for for years. This has been kind of the the general fire service model is 80% to 20% EMS and fire or other calls. And that's where you see us there. And then during the since our last meeting, we did run 2,845 calls, and that was over a fifty six day period.

So our Bidvia station was Station 1 with 575 calls for service. Next slide, please. Alright. So I thought I'd give you a little bit of kind of an update on some information here. Not a whole lot, but just some some things to let

you

know that we did renew the Fairview Fire Protection District contract. It's been renewed for five more years. And one addition that we did make was we adjusted the language to include a charge for administrative staff time and fire prevention office services. So we did that was, like, one of the biggest changes we made to it. Probably the first time we've made a change to that contract since I've been working for neighbors.

So kind of interest in there. And then next, this one's a pretty exciting one for for me because, again, we haven't had any new administrative staff and especially not in emergency management for a very long time. I've, I think, let you know how few people we have working on that staff wise and was had had some conversations about maybe getting a permanent person at some per some point in time, but just so happens that we got a call to the city from a management fellow who had recently graduated from American University. And he's an ICMA fellow that wanted to work in the Bay Area and wanted to focus on emergency management and how much more of a perfect fit would that be than us. So what we have is he's hopefully gonna be starting on July 1.

Two thirds of the salary that he will be paid is gonna be coming from Hayward's fire department's fund that where we keep our mutual aid reimbursement money. So we normally use that kind of those funds for buying new wildland fire hose and the kind of stuff, hand tools and things that we use on those mutual aid assignments. We thought this would be a very good use of that money. And then the other third that cost for his salary is gonna be coming from, once again, our partners in Fairview. So since the they will be benefiting from the work that this new fellow will be doing on wildland urban interface projects, they were willing to put up a third of the cost of this.

So that's good. Work assignments are gonna be emergency management, community resiliency, and really working to seek grant funds. Specifically to help us do wildland urban interface work and emergency management type work. So that's that. Standards of cover, we went through the whole process already.

We have done our RFP. We selected our company and a contract is getting finalized. It will be in front of council, I believe, on June 17. And what this will do is it's the first ever outside assessment of the Hayward Fire Department's response capabilities, and we're also going to be doing a community risk assessment with that. So what this is gonna do for us is allow us to really kind of have somebody come in, look at all the data, and present us with a package that shows us what our current capabilities are and what would be optimum capabilities based on the risks present in Hayward.

So they'll look at everything from response time to how long it'll take us to get what we call an effective response force. That's like all the units that you need to put out a residential fire, whatever kind

of incident.

And just everything that goes with what the fire department is expected to do. So that would be very interesting for us to look at and see. And what I think it will allow us to do is really just us as the fire department and and you as counsel kind of a guide for down the road, smart and efficient growth of the fire department staff when we are in a position where we can do that. And then the last thing on the list, we are doing a one year service trial with a company called Sharp Performance. I think our brothers and sisters in PD have already used this service, and that it's we'll give our personnel access to mental health counseling and coaching services on the on Spot Spot.

It's an app, and they could reach people who they can talk with over many different issues. So that is my report for tonight.

I'm just going with this.

Yeah. Go

ahead. Okay. Thank you for for the report. And I know we're gonna be talking about the fire season right after. So so I wanna ask questions about that part of it. But wait. Can you just explain? What is standard of so that's sort of it's an assessment of the. And so will that look like you said, we'll look at staffing, and we'll look at, like, the overtime issue and things like that. We'll get the as far as I mean, I assume, like, sort of

I don't want my student to look at overtime. Okay. It's not normally what what they do. That would be something that we can look at internally. The overtime that is incurred by the fire department is overwhelmingly that my rough estimate is probably about at least 90% of it is contractually obligated over time to do things like make sure that we have minimum staffing.

Yeah. And other things like mandatory training and that kind of stuff where people have to come in off duty to do those trainings. Okay. So that's not going to be an easy thing to deal with, but we're we're looking at other avenues and some of the stuff that we can train the working parts about that.

Okay. But, I mean, I guess it would help, like, if it showed, like you said, in the long term for us to do all of this with redone staffing, what that would look like and so we could for future budget compare rate is

the idea. Yeah. That's that's I think the the best part about it is it tells us where we are now, what the risks are, what our optimum will be, and it will allow us to set a plan. Like, obviously, we're not gonna be able to reach that overnight. Right? But we can work together as a group to incrementally figure out where the best Okay. Place is to put the next resource.

And when you do this assessment, will you you know, we've put the heart program on hold, but, know, the hope is it was on hold that we we sort of question that during the assessment to say, like, if we could in the future fit this back in, what would that look like?

Yeah. That's just a matter of asking them when they're doing it, giving them the parameters of it. Able could you what does it look like for EMS? What does it look like for all this response, that kind stuff?

Okay. Yeah. I'm just while you're doing the assessment, if that was sort of a factor in it, that would be great. Just, you know, if we can bring it back in. Alright. Yeah. Let's say that I'm I'm glad to hear about the mental health thing. I mean, it sounds like the kind of thing you can actually get in your car at the end of the day, right, and and get on the app and get some help if someone needs it.

So it

sounds like that's gonna be a

great thing. Yeah. That's the plan. Okay. That should be available whenever. And then I think part of the plan is you the the firefighters can get a a coach, like a person that they can deal with repeatedly, and they can build a relationship with them. And it's it's something that sounds to me like it would be pretty successful, and I just had a over here next to me saying that sounds like it's working well on the TV.

Got it. Great. Okay. Good. Glad to hear it. Thank you for your support.

I don't have any questions.

Yes. You'll

pardon me. This morning, chief, we were in a budget meeting, we learned that San Jose Fire is introducing an administrative charge for medical calls. And this report is showing about 80% of our calls as being medical. Now I know it we didn't have a lot of time to talk about it, but I thought it was worth sort of looking at the model where the billing is to insurance companies. And just based on what you heard this morning, do you have a reaction to how it might look in Hayward? Speculating how it might look in Hayward?

Yeah. I haven't really taken a deep dive into it, but the way that I would see it going is we would respond to calls. And if it's an emergency medical call, we would figure out a way to get the we work out a pro protocol procedure to get the information, billing information from the patient. Sometimes we can do that on the scene. Other times, we could do that working at the hospital.

We probably have to find somebody who could do the billing portion of it, but then what we would do is bill the insurance companies of the folks that we responded to on those calls. The safeguards we would we look at doing would be not putting people to collections. We're not gonna, you know, bill private citizens. They don't have insurances. So it's strictly be going to insurance companies and Medicare, and then recovers some of the costs that we spend on things like medical equipments, like our monitors, which are very expensive, things that we could use for perishables such as the the drugs and medications that we use on the calls, IV bags, all that kind of stuff.

A lot of those are perishable, and, you know, if we don't use them, we need to get rid of them, but we always have to have that up on stock. So this would just be another way to increase revenue to help cover those those costs. There are a handful of cities who are doing it now, and it looks like there may be more doing it in the future.

Just saying.

It we are looking at it not as a short term model, but something that's certainly worth doing some research on tracking how San Jose is gonna deal with it over time. So now I have

a question.

I guess that yeah. That's interesting. And I guess the the question I would the question I thought about when you said this was, you know, sometimes when we pursue a new program and it creates more bureaucracy, you know, it'd be interesting to see what's sort of the the cost benefit. Right? If if it will open up a new bureaucracy, you know, what's that impact on us?

And, you know, will we, you know, will we have to hire, you know, a billion? You know? I'm sure there's an agency out there or a company that does it too. But, you know, will we have to you know, will we include that in part of, you know, part of this plan or not? But it it'd be interesting to see the sort of the cost benefits analysis on this because, you know, sometimes, you know, be careful what we wish for. Right? Sounds sounds like a plan, but it'll probably add a lot

more work. And But then the departments that I've seen, the range of fees that I've seen were between 300 and just under $500 per call that they're charging. So Wow. We'll

see. Okay.

Okay. So let me move on move on to public comment. Is there any public comments?

That's one. Yeah.

Go ahead. Oh, sorry. Yeah. Thanks. I think I was speaking to the fire chief this morning about it.

It's something we were discussing similar. There's a well, I mentioned this, like, eight or nine years ago to counsel, but I don't think they heard it. But if we could do a model like Contra Costa where the fire department and Falk are together, where they're have the staff running nine 11 calls within our city. Right now, Falk gets a $150 for a Medicare oh, well, Medi Cal patient. That was eight years ago.

But under the city umbrella of government, that would go up to $1,240 for a Medicare patient, that would go up to 1,000. And then you got you got Kaiser. You got UnitedHealthcare. You got got Blue Cross Blue Shield. They pay the they pay the full amount, which is, like, $3,000.

But I'm sure the prices have gone up since eight years ago. But if we could share that with fall, they would provide the personnel. We provided the ambulances. We have two that are on standby right now, but if we could buy two more, I think that would possibly fill the gap. You bring in the 16,000,000 per year, but you would have to share part of that with Falk, with the staffing, probably, like, six or seven.

But then you would keep that every year. And the price has probably gone up since then as anything medical goes up. So that would help with our unfunded liabilities and stuff and help with balancing budget, all sorts of things. So just wanna put that up there.

Thank you. Seeing

no more public comment, I will close public comment, and then we will move on to item number four with an update on human trafficking and sideshows.

Alright. We are going to provide, based on the committee's request, an update on and then an update on sideshow activity. We'll do a one brief presentation, and then we'll entertain some questions I do before I want you before I started, I do have detective Gabby Wright in the room. Gabby's been with the department for a long, long time and is our resident expert on human trafficking. So the follow-up questions, I think, will fall to her.

She is incredibly talented, and we're lucky to have her. So we could go to the first slide. So human trafficking in Hayward, some of the trends in data. We do not have a designated tracker blade. That's that's basically a geographic area where we have, you know, folks working visibly on the street. That does not exist here in the city of Hayward. We it it does a neighboring agencies. I don't know if you remember the issues that we had at the assessment center. I'm sure you all do. But a lot of the folks that were being taken from that facility were being taken to in a in Oakland, but we've not had one here in Hayward.

However, human trafficking related crimes still occur. They primarily occur in local hotels and massage parlors that are operating without permits, part of Gabby's area of responsibility is managing those those facilities. We have not taken a report from the assessment center since July 2024. If you recall, we filed a lawsuit based on the way that that place was being managed and the victimization of some of the kids that were being housed there. We were responding there probably on average three times a day.

That facility shut down in Hayward and relocated to unincorporated Alameda County that's still not open. They're going through the licensing process, but it should open sometime here in the near future. And just a data point, there were over 2,500 online ad profiles referencing Hayward since January 1, and these are kind of reflecting posting locations not necessarily where human trafficking activity is taking place, but there is a connection. One of the things that we anticipate is an increase in demand for commercial sex and an increased risk in in human trafficking based on some of the high traffic events that are coming to the Bay Area. We have Super Bowl coming.

We have a few people coming. When those events happen, traffickers and human trafficking victims often descend on areas surrounding those events just based on the volume of people that show up and the demand, and they come from all over the country. So we have one HPV detective along with multiple Bay Area partners that are assigned to the regional human trafficking working group, and they are working on addressing some of the issues surrounding these twenty twenty six events. Next slide, please. So some of the local efforts and initiatives, we have a sergeant that's detective assigned as the FBI task force officers focusing on Bay Area child exploitation and human trafficking the human trafficking task force.

They collaborate with local hotels to ensure human trafficking training, appliance for staff, and they distribute flyers and do compliance checks, you know, some of the local alcohol establishments. We're continuing coordination with nonprofits and youth and family our youth and family services bureau. And when victims are identified, we're making sure that they get connected to those services. And then we're partnering with local agencies to identify victims and reduce the demand. And And then we provide internally ongoing training for our staff on victim identification and trauma informed response.

It is an incredible resource to have youth and family services in the building. They are on call. And I know they work closely with Gabby and sergeant Tony Carrasco who's here. Unfortunately, the same unit that she does when when victims are identified. And the goal is to provide them the support and make sure that you can to get them rescued out of that lifestyle.

Two new questions about human trafficking now and then you go to sideshows?

Yes. Let's do that. Okay. Because I I do have some questions.

That's the extent of presentation on human trafficking.

And and what I'll do is I'll do questions and public comment, and then we'll do Sideshows questions. A couple of things that I wanted to ask was, regarding human trafficking. You know, I know that there's you know, we have, a lot of street vendors out there, illegal street vendors. And and I'm just curious. I have seen some of the vendors out there, both men and women, and and I can only imagine probably undocumented.

And and I was curious, have we I know when we talk about human trafficking, we're talking about, you know, sex workers or or prostitution or or in that in that air in that space. But have we sort of widened the aperture to look at street vendors and sort of potentially you know, under what circumstances are they out there?

Yes. So that could be a form of labor trafficking Mhmm. Which is a subsection of human trafficking. So that is something that probably does go very unreported. I think people do tend to think a lot on the commercial sex side of it when it comes to human trafficking.

In regards to that, like, we have trained our officers in regards to labor trafficking about, you know, trying to ask questions because a lot of it is gonna come down to whether there's that force, fraud, any kind of fear coercion for them when they're out there. So there could be a difference between maybe they're doing it for their family, and it doesn't matter if they're here illegally or legal. But if there is some sort of coercion, then that could fall under labor trafficking.

So, I mean, do we have I mean, how would we sort of initiate know, you or, you know, have we, you know, have we considered, you know, sort of going out there and and intentionally focusing on this particular population of folks? We thought about that. I mean, is it something that, you know I mean, we're talking about street vendors, and I know the council and and, you know, we've been talking about how do we sort of address street vendors. But, you know, I and and just for conversation sake, you know, I I you know, when I drive around, I see I see a variety of different types of street vendors. You know?

I'll see yes. There's, you know, the mom and dad out there, you know, selling whatever. Okay. I get that. And, you know, and then I see large commercial networks.

And, you know, I mean, I I there's a warehouse that where I've seen where they, you know, have all their supplies dropped off in pallets and stuff like that. So there's, like, the large commercial street vendors that know they're illegal, but yet they're, you know, dispatching their their folks out there. But then there's the the ones that I'm sort of the ones I'm looking at are, you know, these guy these both men and women, young, selling flowers, selling, you know, balloons with little animals in there, like, on a street, Jackson, and so forth. And so I guess guess my the question is, you know you know, have we thought about really sort of focusing on that group, you know, while measuring? I mean, I don't wanna sound like, you know, we're gonna go after undocumented, you know, folks out, you know, out there in the city.

I don't want that to happen. But I guess it's more in the area of of human trafficking. That's for me, that's an issue. You know?

Yeah. I'll start, and then you gotta can do some of issues too. I don't know that we made that connection between human trafficking investigations and street vendors. I will say that those are complicated cases because young appearance in and of itself is not enough for us to initiate investigation. I will I do wanna touch on something that you brought up, and that is immigrant populations are very susceptible to human trafficking issues, in part because of their status as as immigrants and kind of reluctance to report.

And so there is probably a higher percentage of victimization that goes on with immigrant populations, and so we are aware of that. You know? And and you raised a good point. You raised one that we haven't considered. I think it's something that we can collectively circle up and discuss. But, again, very, very challenging cases on the labor side to vote because there's sort of key elements that we need to be able to prove before we can

Yeah. And and and I, you know and, again, I wanna be very, very cautious on how I frame this because I don't want, you know, tomorrow, you know, somebody writing about how, you know, I wanna go after, you know, a document and say, hey. We're that's not what I wanna do. That's not my intention. My my my focus here is the potentiality of, you know you see cases of, you know, you know, these, you know, these individuals that will take their their their, you know, their green cards or they'll take their documents or their know? And they basically force them out there to sell flowers and and stuff.

You're about risking victims. Exactly. I think that's always the focus of the work that Gabby and sergeant Carrasco will do, and that's always the lens that we operate under our goal is to rescue this new shotgun victims.

And and I appreciate the update on the on the assessment center. I I did hear over a couple of weekends ago. The assessment center is while it is going through the process and there is a site identified at a new location, it is not without pushback to say the least. So, anyways okay. That's all I got.

Go ahead.

Thanks. Yeah. I'm pretty sure about that moment. I have definitely wondered some of these young people out there selling fruit, especially as they, you know, they're dropped off at a corner, and they're there all day, there's no facilities. I always wondered, you know you know. But I can see why it's difficult because they're obviously not in an immediate coercive situation when they're standing alone in a corner. But, yeah, I mean, I think to your point, it can be like, say, you're gonna eat fruit all day or else, you know, you know, whatever your your vapers, your family. I don't know. But, yeah, I mean, I think it would be interesting just to sort of

I don't know. Think about when

you talk to some of these people. But, yeah, I have wondered about some of these. Right. Especially young people, you can't tell. That's true. Yeah. So I see you said 2,500, you know, incidents referencing Hayward of, you know, people that are missing, I guess, right, or trapped or being trafficked. I wondered I thought that number was gonna go down once the assessment center was gone because that we got a lot of reporting at that time from that from that center. So is that is that number higher, or is that is yeah. Maybe you can yeah.

So what that is is so it's the 2,500 online ad profile. Profile. Okay. So that is generated from these online sources that we use for law enforcement purposes that kinda gather some of the ad data. So there's the online escort ads. Okay. That's websites. Yeah. Yes. Like, like, how it used to be Backpage, you know, the ones that you heard about. So there's these online escort websites that have these ads, and so you can geographically put put a location. So those are what's putting Hayward. And that's not necessarily indicative of a trafficking situation, but possible, like, commercial sex occurring here in here in Hayward, or it could they could just be putting Hayward, and it's occurring throughout the Bay Area.

I see. Okay. Yes. Sorry. And then you mentioned the massage parlors. I know we've had two recent incidents, right, of massage parlors that were that you guys investigated, I guess, and closed closed them down. Right? There's two of them.

Yeah. We worked closely with our code code enforcement and also planning division just to ensure that that all the permits that what they didn't have, what is that they would need, and then we were able to work directly with the landlord to ensure that the mists were closed.

Okay. And what I mean, I'm sure that's a really hard thing. Right? You're I mean, I'm sure some of them on you know, they're legitimate businesses. So what do we but because we know that is a high, you know, error or it's an I don't know. Is that a high incident of where you find human trafficking going on and if that so do we do extra code enforcement on those kind of businesses?

It's definitely a location where that that can occur, and it's definitely not uncommon. So that is something that if it does if a location does come onto our radar

Mhmm.

Of taking the appropriate measures, of working with the right nonprofits as well because there also may be victims Yeah. In there, and then I trying to identify who the traffickers are. Okay.

Yeah. Because I feel like massage parlays pop up all the time. And, yeah, you you do wonder. So I'm glad that you're in there. Thank you. And then the other one was what about domestic help? I know that's a big area for people to be labor human trafficking. What was that? Domestic help? Like, you know you know Yeah. Thank you. And and yeah. I mean, and caregivers. Right? They're you know, that's a common one apparently. How do you go about that? I mean, I wondered, like, agencies that, you know, hire workers to go into homes to be caregivers. So that generally, like, things like that

could come in as a call for service. So whether it's the individual themselves or maybe a friend or somebody that maybe saw this person there, and then that's where police would go, and then they would try to interview and assess the situation. And that's just where they're gonna have to determine, you know, is there some sort of, you know, force, fraud, fear? Is there any of that along with, like, is there equal wage? Is is any kind of maybe labor violations occurring with those types of

professions? Okay. Thanks. And then the last one is, you know, you said we have these big events coming up, you see an increase or increased activity around this. So and you said there was one HPD officer, but then that's part of a regional organization. So during a time of FIFA and okay. Will you put special assignment officers on that? Or, like, what's to in order to address that if we're gonna see more activity during those times?

I know from what we've done in the past, so when the Super Bowl was here ten years ago when we worked closely with our other local agencies, is that we did get officers from our own department to assist with those events as well. And so I'm the

one who's on the Yeah. You're you're the You're the person. Yeah.

But that's just to be a good point of contact to know what events are gonna be occurring and to see how we can partner. And so then we can see who is interested from our department to help out with these events to rescue victims. Okay.

Thank you. I know this isn't easy work, and I appreciate the work you're doing.

Thank you. Of course. Thank you.

So let me go to public comment and see if anybody has any public comment. Seeing that, I'll close public comment, and I'll go into.

Well, thank you very much. So very briefly, we'll talk about sideshow enforcement and some of the regional collaboration that we're involved in. Sideshows remain an issue, not just here at Hayward, but regionally. In fact, some of the information that we've been able to gather through an intelligence sources, you know, we've got people coming from as far as the Central Valley and Los Angeles to Bay Area, and we can't participate in these. We are part of what is known as RESET.

It's a regional sideshow enforcement team. It was launched in 2023 as a multi agency collaboration because, again, when much like human trafficking, when we have collectively as individual Well, when we individually as organizations, we have these staffing challenges, but we're all dealing with the same regional issues. Pooling resources just makes sense to be able to handle these things on a larger scale. And so the RESET group is comprised of Hayward PD, Alameda County Sheriff's Office, California Highway Patrol, the Hayward Office, and San Pedro PD. And their objective is to do certain base.

I show activity throughout court through coordinated enforcement. And what they do is usually on a weekly basis, especially during the summer months, identify different geographic location to focus on. And and they respond specifically to information that they've got from through intelligence sources. Right? So if there's information suggesting that a a sound show this morning here in Hayward, those resources, even if they're dedicated to San Leandro, will come to Hayward to be able to address that issue.

Not only are we talking about, you know, folks on the ground, their air assets, their support, k nine units that participate in these because we find very frequently, as I'll share your employment, a lot of the individuals that participate in these science shows are armed. So it's been a great force multiplier. We've seen significant success. I will say that we we did, as you recall, amend our municipal code to provide the administrative and criminal authority to the science spectators. We've done that four times since 2023.

And then I'll just share some data. So for the last year, we participated in 40 operations that resulted in 448 arrests. They did over 3,000 traffic stops. There were over 1,100 citations issued and 441 vehicles towed. I will say that vehicles towed often is more significant than citations issued because participation in SciShow allows us to hold a car for thirty days.

So there's a significant financial impact. 76 guns were recovered, 73 stolen vehicles were recovered. We prevented five known sideshows. So a significant amount of success and a great partnership between some of our local jurisdictions. And then the other thing that I wanna talk about is kind of what we've done through environmental design here in the city.

We had a consistent problem at White Cell and Enterprise Avenue on the industrial area where people are gathering, doing side shows. We've had street racing issues out in the industrial area for years. So we entered into a joint project with main services, so we designed the intersection with the goal of preventing that space so they can't, you know, do the burnouts in circles and happy to report that we haven't had any sideshow related call for service since that redesign happened. So that's a kind of an environmental design strategy to prevent this activity in a place where it was happening hearing was happening weekly. Ongoing efforts to monitor other high risk intersections.

We continue deployments during no even periods of public outreach and neighborhood classifications to report illegal activity, and we do encourage that. We can fix problems that we don't know about. You can drive through neighborhoods at some points, and, you know, you can see where the burnouts are happening in the intersections typically. And so we encourage members of the community to report that activity as it's happening. Again, depending on what's going on in the city, we may or may not be able to respond immediately, but at least the data will be captured, and we can use that to proactively deploy some of our fuel resources during the time frames within South and South. And that is the presentation on side shows, and I'll entertain any questions that you have.

I I I just wanted to start off by just giving I don't have any questions, but I I I just wanted to say thank you for staying diligent on this issue. And I know sideshows are they're very it's it's a difficult thing to sort of, you know, apprehend or go after and and and you know? But I think at least we clearly, we have sort of gotten some handle on this, and and and we're bringing consequences to the people that we do catch. And and so anyways, I I just wanna say thank you for staying on this, staying diligent on this because I know we have been before this, particularly before our our the ordinances that we passed with the the bystanders or the what do not bystanders. Way the people the bacteria.

Know, neighborhoods were were were asking us to do something. And and I have not received any email, you know, around, you know, around this. And I know you talked about the industrial area, but with regards to some of the neighborhoods, I have not seen a lot of this activity. So at least haven't gotten a lot of email around it. So, anyways, that's all I wanna say about that.

Thanks. Yeah. No. I'm I'm glad, you know, we're doing but does Oakland do their own? Because they're not part of that RESET group. Right?

They're not part of that RESET group. For a while, they were coordinating some regional meetings. We participated in those Oakland, you know, not good or bad or, you know, they got to be grow And we're on city. There was an instance that I'm familiar with where our recent folks did respond to Oakland to provide assistance. There was a sideshow that broke off in a in a specific area, and they trapped, I think, two AC transit buses that were full of people.

And 911 calls were placed to open, and they had no resources to be able to send to that issue. And so we went up there with CHP and the county sheriff's office and addressed it. So there is communication back and forth.

That's what I'm doing because I would assume where the There's information sharing.

Yeah. We get intel that, you know, something's gonna start and open and vice versa, then, you know, there's communication that happens in that regard. And then, you know, we're all part of the Alameda County mutual aid group. So, you know, if something significant jumps and it overwhelms resources, you know, they can call us, we can call them.

And is the work with Reset? Does that mean that must include, like, infiltrating our online networks, right, and getting informants. I mean, how do we find out about if these things are gonna come?

I'll get into all the tricks of the trade. You know, a lot of stuff happens, you know, on Yeah. You know, social media platforms are a huge way to coordinate human trafficking. They're a huge way to coordinate, you know, sideshow events. And so, you know, having staff, you know, the you work for starting Chorazzo, you're, you know, doing doing their research the way they do their research. You know?

Okay. And I know, I mean, it's not quite so you're saying you don't get calls. I I get sort of weekly call from my neighbor right next door because we have them in Fairway Park. They do donuts. So I know it's not quite. But there we do in Fairway and I'm sure a lot of neighbors have this, but we have people that just you can hear them screeching through the neighbor doing donuts and all the different intersections. It does happen a lot of that Brassle And Brassle intersection. So, you know, just to sort of say humbly, what are the things neighbors can do? Because they'll get it on camera. They'll get a car with a license plate, but then they're told nothing can be done. So what is the response? You know, which should a neighbor do? They they call you know, usually, they're gone before the police can come, so I understand that part of it. But as far as, you

know It's important to provide that information. I know that, you know, it's it can be a challenge. You know, one car doing a donut doesn't cost you a sideshow. Right? Yeah. These are the large groups of people that descend upon geographic area, engage in that activity. So but we do have those calls for service and those issues that happen in neighborhoods where you have people, usually the same folks driving, you know, kind of in a reckless manner. For an officer to act on that, he or she has to observe it. They have observe

it themselves. Right? So it can't be that. Yeah. Okay.

So but there there's there's follow-up investigation, you know, that can happen. If you do have a license plate, you know, we can make contact with whoever the ratio of the car is and the other issue under certain circumstances too. You know, there's there's a way to, you know, offer a warrant to seize the vehicle that's involved in the sideshow. Okay.

We got When does it constitute a sideshow when you have because I know sometimes in the summer at Fairway Park, you know, they have the big meetups in the parking lot, which in general is sort of an okay event. It feels kind of friendly, usually family. But then off often as it gets later, kind of mini sideshows pop up, right, on, you know, or over on

Mini sideshow.

Mini sideshow. So what constitutes a site show?

So very simply, exhibition driving with spectators, groups of spectators. Right? A lot of these people are dealing with they're doing because, and you'll see that, you know, folks are out there with their video cameras. They're live streaming it. Yeah. You know, there's a there's probably more spectators at these things than there are people engaging in the reckless driving. Yeah. I saw the videos. And But, you know, I think you've all seen the videos of these things. The cars sound incredibly close to spectators.

People have been hit by cars. And we actually two years ago on July 4, we had I wanna say it was 14 people shot in a matter of hours in various parts of the city. And one of them resulted in a homicide, multiple other people shot, and it was mini sideshow that had broken out down near Mount Eden High School. And the spectator was hit, that kind of was kind of the precipitating event to what ended up being a shooting. So we have had a very significant impact including a death associated with Sideshow. So and that's that's going back two years. But

Well, thanks, and thanks for the important and thanks for the creative efforts on the, you know, you said the environmental design to, you know, shut them down. We know where it's happening. So thank you. Thanks for the work of.

And and and let me clarify because I don't I don't want to sound like she contradicted me. It's not that I don't hear about sideshows anymore, but I but I haven't had any emails specifically about sideshows, but I do know they still exist and and so forth. But, yes, I don't want the good people in Fairway Park to think that I

No. And you're right. My little bit is really donuts around the circle there, the geographic circle, so it is technically not a site.

And please report that stuff to us. Again, data can be analyzed and resources deployed Okay. Based on

I'm move to public comment. Is there a public comment? Yes.

Go.

We have a public comment. TJ?

Should I get the mic? Oh, yes. You can. It's a loud mute on the top.

Yes. This is a special microphone. No. I'm

really fascinated about the some type of science shows ever since somebody had put it out there about the potential of legalizing them in Hayward. Seems crazy. But I just was curious. Is there ever a time when the officers cannot intervene? I know, you know, we've talked about the firewood situation that there are times where there's a massive crowd, and they're not gonna walk into that. Is it the same with the sideshows as well, or is there enough of a tip that you can kind of be ahead of the game and be present?

Before you answer, I just wanna say this is a public comment. You can you can ask the question, and then I'll reconvene, and I'll see if they want statement? Yeah. But, I mean, he can ask the question, but I can I can ask the chief to respond? Are you done?

I am done. Thank you.

Okay. We'll take your response.

Absolutely.

We have had those issues. So side shows typically happen in the center of a large group. And depending on how large your group is, it it presents a challenge for not just officers to get away against the problem, but it presents a challenge for, you know, our apologies for fire department to respond to a medical call. Right? Maybe somebody in the neighborhood is in medical distress that needs an ambulance or or a fire fire engine, you know, some of these things can take up an entire block and prevent access.

It's one of the one of the reasons why the spectator of organs is important because, again, they are actively participating in this event even though they're not driving the vehicle. They're contributing to it. And so but we have had challenges in certain circumstances with large groups be able to gain access, you know, to do that safely. The last thing that we wanna do is create a situation that's worse and more dangerous than the one that we're there that's haunting, and so we have to be calculated in how we approach those.

Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate that. Okay. So if there are no further, comments or questions, I will close this item, and I will go to item number five, which is equally as exciting as sideshows, which is debrief on fire season and mutual aid response. And this is gonna come to us, by way of, I believe, deputy chief Hambrin, I think, is stepping

up to the mic. Go ahead. Alright. Thank you. Just for a summary of last year's fire season, fairly busy season, not our busiest, but it's been fairly active operational tempo for us since around 2017.

Last year, we had 21 incidents across the state and actually all the way into the into Oregon and as far East as Utah. We had six preposition preposition assignments, which is something that state of California didn't used to do as much, but they're being very proactive now of assembling strike teams and moving them to areas where they anticipate problems so that you can jump on as far as quicker, which in Alameda County, we've taken advantage of several times to have more resources during high risk events. 48 of our firefighters responded to those 21 different incidents across the state and sum a total of 980 operational periods. And locally in the city of Hayward, we have 575 vegetation fires, 465 rubbish fires, and a 149 illegal burns. Fortunately, all those suppression results were fairly effective where we're able to keep all those fires small, not having significant impact damage.

I think the the list to the right is something that's published by Cal Fire for the last since I've been in fire service where they're ranked the top 20. They do that by acres. This one's by destruction, so it's the most structures dropped, which is interesting on this one in it's not just structures, but also lives lost. 14 of the top 20 in the history of the state have happened since 2017. So we're seeing a very different environment than we had pre 2017.

So next slide. There's been a lot of work in the last couple of years of trying to figure out what is causing these changes. There's lots of speculation. I think the news agency has definitely run wild with it. But some of the main contributing factors based on the experience that we're gathering from going out in states, some of the after action reviews. So the empirical research and modeling, there's a lot more of that now because of how much just massive disruption is happening. The insurance industry is heavily involved in it. We're learning a lot. One of the big contributing factors is the expansion of the dry season. Those top fires that were on the top of list on the last screen are happening as, you know, really standing in October, campfire in November.

Having a dry season as far to this January is what Southern California experienced this year. That kind of fuel weather or moist fuel moisture that late in the year is a new thing. They always have Santa Anas. It's when there's long dry periods with Santa Anas. That's a lot of risk to carry for a long time.

All those major well, not all, but the vast majority of the major events that are on the last page happened during the northeast wind event. So in Santa Ana in Southern California, what we would call a dial low winds in Northern California. So northeast winds that are very dry coming across a landmass, only happen a few times a year in Northern California. Most of the time, our wind is coming off the ocean, it's very moist, it's not as dangerous. The insurance industry has done a lot of research of where we're getting into the structure to structure component, which is when you look at that list, the damage for a long time, the tunnel fire was the most destructive fire in California, and it's from less than 3,000 houses.

The numbers that you're seeing with Palisades, Camp Fire, you know, and the Tubbs Fire. Tubbs was five and a half. Palisades, almost 7,000. Eden fire, 9,000. And the Camp Fire, 18,000. These are unprecedented numbers when I entered the fire service. So a lot of that is happening once it gets into the structures and it starts going. Once one large fire, you know, to go out our typical street, there's five additional houses, and it's how close those houses are together. For example, Palisades, the average was eight to 20 feet apart. It's really hard once you get that many structures going to contain that fire because it just leads to another bar.

So structure separation is a large contributing factor. Connected fuels, and you'll see a lot of that conversation both in the state and across the nation right now on Zone 0. It's what's carrying that ember cast and bringing into inside your home and a lot of conversation on building materials. So there's a lot of materials out that are resistive to that, and I think the goal across the state is to get more houses resistive so that we can get ahead of these fires before they become large configurations. Large takeaways, that we're looking at, it is making a community as resistant as possible to Empercast, and really highlighting evacuations.

I think we saw it in Maui. We saw it in Campfire. Saw it in Palisades, Eaton. I will say there have been improvements when you look at some of the data and information on how large and how especially for LA where you look at two major incidents at the same time under extreme conditions, their loss of life was significantly less than what you saw during the tunnel fire. So some of the advances, AC alert, Zonehaven, or Genesis, the alerting systems are getting better.

The emergency managers are getting better, but there's still work to be done there because you're still getting traffic jams, traffic to get people out of communities. Next slide. So for us, it's a little bit different. I think, our two largest emergencies our two largest disasters we are concerned about is the earthquake or, wildland fires. This is a big hazard in Alameda County.

The one nice thing with the and I say nice thing with the wildland fires, you get a little bit of notice. These are when we have red flag events and on the on the left screen there, you see sustained winds from the Northeast, 25 to 35 is a significant event for us. And when you see relative humidity as low as single digits, these are times when you could say there's fire on the ground. And from the first screen, it happens relatively often throughout the state. Fire is on the ground.

On these days, fire on the ground is a significant problem. On the right, you see the map of the tunnel fire, which is the Berkeley and Open Hills fire, starting similar similar type event that we have, you know, we did a couple times a year. In the morning, it was pushing it out towards the ocean, and then it changed halfway through the afternoon and pushed it from north to south. Sustained winds over 30 miles an hour in single digit humidities. So it can happen.

I will say that Santa Ana winds are more powerful than the dive of winds that we get in our area. And we typically get a little more moisture earlier in the season than Southern California does, but it still does happen. Next slide. So what are we doing? A big focus right now is on prevention, is taking all the information we're collecting from all the research and all the experience we're getting in the last several years to figure out how to better make a more resilient community to wildfire.

So we're looking at as we build new buildings, making sure that we're building out the best technology possible to be resistant to wildfire, making sure that we're doing our inspections. We're doing a lot of community education. On the emergency response side, I I can honestly say the response level that our state has is significantly better than it's ever been. Our planes for retirement are bigger. Our dozers are way more capable.

We have a ton of staffing, and we're doing a a much better job of mutual aid of moving resources before the needs so they're there at the time that you meet them. So our regional capacity is better. I think the biggest area for improvement going forward is the community resiliency, and a lot of the empirical research coming out is the home hardening is your biggest return on investment and building defensible space. And specifically, that first five feet is if you can slow it down from getting inside the structure, it limits the community risk that we're carrying right now, especially when our homes as homes in California get closer and closer together are different different center lot lines, especially when they're in your communities like Stonebrae, Utah houses 15 feet apart from each other. And we're just gonna push the ready, set, go, our SERP program, trying to do it.

We're really in the early stages of opening community hubs, and we'd like to get to is have Firewise communities to where we spread this information faster. Also, get some grant money because the the changes that are required are expensive, and it's gonna take a while to get there. Next slide. So finishing up what can residents do and a lot of what we're messaging and pushing out is slow and steadily developing more home habitat standards and just getting you know, if if you're replacing your roof for your deck, do it with resilient materials, really pushing the defensible space and specifically that Zone 0, and then making sure people are ready for evacuations prior to the call for evacuations. So, you know, one of things we saw this year, I went to the mountain fire in Ventura, is when these high wind events are happening in PG and sometimes we'll do a power shutoff to eliminate the risk.

What they found there is when they went to get their evacuations, some of their, you know, more senior citizens had a challenge because they went to open their garage. They couldn't open their garage, and they weren't physically able to get their car. So so getting out those messages of how being ready, having a backpack, having your car in your driveway, ready to go. And then, you know, we've been lucky where we haven't had to use our system. But if we do use our evacuation system, don't wait. Get out early and follow your evacuation plan when it happens. End of report. Thanks.

Questions? Yeah. Thank

you. Yeah. And we touched on it a little bit last night. We talked about the heat map, so it it might be really interesting. You you know, I we talked about this at the previous meeting that, you know, we get some of these huge events, like thousands of homes, like, it's obviously not water that's gonna save. Right? Because you can't possibly have that much water and fire hydrants everything, right, to save that level of home. So is is something that I'm looking at, like, sacrificing whole neighborhoods with, like, fire you know, in order to save half of it? Because it seems like going in home by your home didn't work in Palisades, of or where the winch is so strong that there was no sacrifice, and there's no ability to create a fire alarm line among neighborhoods, you know, among land lines of houses.

Yeah. I think the the structure separation was a large contributing factor in Palisades. It's very desirable piece of land and not having homes are really packed in there. I think the value of the in the, you know, Zone 0 and building resilient homes, a lot of focus got put on the water supply, and there's lessons to be learned there. Yeah. A key point is they didn't run out of water for seventeen hours. Seventeen hours, that incident's pretty much already run into the ocean regardless of that point. Mhmm. So at at some point, a municipal system is not designed to flow that amount of water. Mhmm.

We're luck we have a luxury here in. Our system's one of the best. You know, it's definitely one of best I've worked in across the state. But at that point that you're running out of water, you've probably already lost your battle. Okay. I mean, I think, you know, you kinda wanna say it every callous when I say that. Yeah. Our goal would be, you know, to keep it from transferring past, you know, from keep it out of the structures. And if it does get structures, keep it only to a few. Once it and especially in a win event like that, once it gets in it gets a seat, it's really hard to catch up and get the resources into your region fast enough. And and the LA region is a very resource rich region for them to get overwhelmed. Just shows the going up from a suppression first mindset and from hooking

up to

your height, it's you're not gonna achieve it. It's the home hardening that will achieve a more resilient community.

And then, you know, where you're you touched on Stonebrae where a lot of homes aren't really close together. So do do you work with the HOA up there? And I'm I'm are they constantly working on this and how to

So

and graduation plans and all that?

Right now, we're running into a capacity challenge. I'm really excited for the fellow fire chief talking

That sounds great. Yeah.

Be able to have one more person to go out and reach out and make these contacts and really educate and provide resources. A lot of it will be because, you know, telling people we want you to do this is one thing, and there's a there's a limit to how much, you know, people can afford to do or want to do and trying to go out and find OAS grants in ways to help people transition to this new normal that we're living in today. Because I

would think, like, if we had a hybrid event, they would be really affected up there.

The answer is when we put out the maps that we talked about last night, there was concern from residents in Stonebrae of like, hey. We're relatively new houses. We have stock home. We have tile, and that's all in their favor. Yeah. When you look at the research, you know, structure to structure distance, it's not in their favor at all. And, also, the slope that aligns out of the Palomeres Canyon aligns with the northeast wind event. So there's definitely an opportunity for fuel to get a running head start and lead into a community that is fairly tight houses. Mhmm. And then even though that they are standards, their zone zero standard is not optimal. Okay. Still work to be done.

And then, you know, you said the fire the dry season's gone longer now, and so that's a problem. So then are we putting out notices to with that dry season to not have backyard barbecues fired? I mean, I know sometimes we do tiki torches in the summer. I mean, I can imagine with anyone with with that, you know, all these sort of fire sources even in, you know, the type of backyard is something that's that could easily jump right if you had if you had a high wind event.

One of the things we've talked about this year with our our PIO in communications is really using the opportunity to get out early when there is a red flag, more Internet coming and really advertise, like, now is not the time to do those kind of activities. Okay. Also, now is the time to be ready. Yeah. Okay. There are times when you have and for us, when we tracked we talked a little bit last night. The Palisades, January, everybody was paying attention to what we were saying, and that's an opportunity to talk about making sure you're ready. So when we hit a red flag, our goal would be to use that opportunity to make to try and touch a few more people that might be receptive.

Well, I'm glad you're doing this work. Thank you again. It sounds like the fellow because I know, right, we did talk a little bit about trying to hire somebody for this kind of preparedness. But for now, this sounds like a good, know, starting solution.

Yeah. And I don't know if you're familiar with the history of the fellows that we do bring on from from this organization, but I I think we've hired them all. So the people that come through this process are really top notch. So and from talking with this young man, I think we've found someone who's gonna do a lot of good work for us.

Great. Well, stand by. Thank you. Thanks for all of our business.

I I was just curious. Are the day are the days of open flame decorative things? Are those days over? When mayor pro temrose said, you know, open flame tiki tiki torches, I went He

has a nice tiki torches.

And I was like, oh my god.

Are they are are those days gone, or should we be just totally embracing LED? And

I think it's really important to recognize that for us, the risk is not throughout the year. Mhmm. There's very specific times, and it's usually less than, you know, four or five times a year that we have a weather like that. On days like that, I think it's on us to really advertise now is not the time, to enjoy some of those things that, you know, it's nice in California to have a backyard barbecue and to sit around the fire with your friends. That shouldn't go away, but our awareness and our recognition of, like, hey. This is one of those days we should be more diligent, and we should be ready to go and informed and have a backpack. I think that that would be the intent. I think the wind is also kinda key with that. Right? I mean, that's that's gonna cause the most fire spread, the most rapid. Yep.

I I don't have any questions. And so what I'll do is I'll open up for public comment. Is there any public comment? Seeing none, I will close public comment, and I'll move on to the next item. The next item is a oral report on AB four eight one on board on a Houston board, a b four eight one. And team Matthews will take this away.

Well, thank you very much. I do have some experts in the room. I would say, Gary Wagner, who oversees our special response unit, and then I also have sergeant Tony Grasco who are here to answer some technical questions if they come up. This is an annual requirement as you're well aware that is embedded in a d four eight one of all a public b. All members of the community can hear from us about our use acquisition funding, etcetera, for state's military equipment.

The community can ask questions, so we will entertain questions from the community if they have them. I do want to refer the community to our website. We have a page that's completely dedicated to a v four eighty one, so it provides not only the background to the legislation itself, but we do have posted there our most current annual military equipment use report. It's a document that has a lot of detail. I'm gonna share some of it tonight in this presentation.

It also has our policy seven zero six, which is our military equipment policy, and then it always also has our inventory list. That's all fully accessible to the public for people who wanna go in and take a look at that on their own. I also wanna reference a couple other policies. Our Hayward police department policy 300, which is our use of force policy. Policy three zero two, which is our control devices and techniques policy.

Obviously, 8481 in California Penal Code section one three six five two, which governs law enforcement agencies use of kinetic energy pro projectiles and chemical agents. And so these are supporting documents that also govern, you know, how and when we use some of the equipment listed in this bill. So with that background, I'll give you the presentation. I do also wanna let the community know that, we will be giving this presentation to the full council on June 24, and asking for the council to, again, approve the ordinance and policy. There are no substantial changes to it.

Full disclosure, we are going to be asking council to approve the implementation of a new program, an energetic breaching program that'll just be an add to the equipment inventory list, but we're gonna provide some detail on that here tonight, and then probably have a more discussion with your colleagues on June 24 as it relates to that particular program. Next slide, please. So this is I apologize. It's hard to read, but this is the background of the assembly bill. And so what it requires is for us to hold this this meeting, the one that we're holding tonight, to provide this information to the public online and to answer questions from the general public and allow for discussion of our annual military member report.

Next slide, please. And so this is a list of the military equipment that we have in our inventory. We have two robots. We have 12 unmanned aircraft systems. Those are our drones. We would have one armored personnel carrier, one command control vehicle. We have one breeching shotgun with 50 shotgun slugs. That's the ammunition for that. We have a 113 rifles. We have four total h k m p five rifles.

We have four Ruger three zero eight rifles. We have five Remington 700 rifles, which are also three zero eight caliber. We have 22 noise flash diversionary device devices. Those are common commonly referred to as flash bangs. We have 226 different style munitions that fall under chemical agents.

So only resin capsicum or OC, which is basically pepper spray. We do have also CS gas, etcetera. We have two less lethal launchers that shoot basically kind of a frangible plastic round that contains OC. And then we have eighteen forty millimeter less lethal launchers and a 100 rounds of ammunition for those. And then we have a host of ammunition, variety of calibers that operate the weapons that are referenced.

And so all of that information is contained in the report that's online for people to look at. Next slide, please. So the time frame that we've been doing this is kind of in line with our original presentation to council, April 2024 through March 2025, and this is the usage. We have 72 drone deployments at 52 separate incidents, and the reason there's a disparity is because there were certain incidents where we had multiple drones in use at the same time, which is not uncommon if we're dealing with a large geographic area or if we're having to clear an internal space and an external space at the same time. On the drone program, we also have a website and a page that's completely dedicated to that.

So for community members that wanna not only understand what our policy says and when we we will and won't use our drones, there's a log that you can go to that will provide information on the date, time, location, and the reason for the usage that and that information is updated on a regular basis and is available to the public. Our armored personnel carry carrier, 27 times. Chemical agents, tear gas, which was in in this in in these cases, or pepper spray, 10 times. And I will say that those were 10 different munitions that we used in two specific incidents where we had individual barricaded kind of location. And then specialty impact ignition systems eight times, and I think those were 40 millimeter 40 millimeter launcher deployments.

The rest of this equipment was not utilized during this reporting period. So very, very small percentage consistent with previous years. In terms of cost, this slide shows kind of a breakdown of the overall cost for this last year. In total, for equipment, we spent about $85,000 of our operating budget. And then in training, we spent just under $300,000 with an additional $2,638 for equipment maintenance.

Total personnel costs for this period were $270,000 and 900 $2,270,989, and that is associated with training related to military equipment as indicated above. And training, this equipment lives with our special response unit. These are specifically trained officers who serve a primary duty function in some form in the department. So they're assigned to control or assigned to investigations, etcetera. But they they work on our special response unit as an ancillary assignment.

And so sometimes, the required training, we incur overtime costs for that. Next slide, please. This is just kind of designed to show a visual representation of the visible impact. So as you can see, three nine of our percent of our operating budget is used to fund this equipment and the associated costs. Very small percentage of what we're spending on police department operations is related to military equipment.

Next slide, please. So the new program that I spoke about, energetic breaching. Breaching is basically, you know, a way for us under emergency circumstances or very specific circumstances to gain entry into a structure. Right. That's the simplest way to describe it.

We have a whole host of breaching methods that are available to us now. Some of them fall under eighty four eighty one like the breeching shotgun. A lot of them do not. We call them mechanical breeching tools, and these are, you know, handheld rounds, you know, housing tools, fire department uses as well, etcetera. So there's a host of different techniques and pieces of equipment that we possess that allow us to enter a structure.

Energetic breaching is no different than that. It's just a different method of entering a structure, again, under very specific circumstances. So it's a good it's the the tactical use of controlled explosive materials to reach a door or wall or fortified structures. These are used primarily by specialized tactical units during high risk entries or rescue operations that they prioritize safety not only for officers and the public, but for, you know, our offenders. Right?

There are very strict protocols that have to be followed. We use the least amount of explosive force necessary necessary to accomplish the breach. And so one of the reasons that this is important for us without getting into too much specific information is this is a way to immediately enter a structure during a critical incident, and it's also a way to address issues that we've encountered in the field where people have fortified or barricaded themselves in a structure. I can remember going back to my time on special response unit. Did a search fire, a search warrant service.

All the windows were plexiglass. They have what's called a dead man, which is basically, you know, a four by four two by four in slats behind the door so that when we tried to to keep it open, it wouldn't it wouldn't open. So there are circumstances, primarily, a hospital rescue or active shooter where we need to be able to get into a place, and this is a a tool to be able to do that. Again, in those circumstances, especially if somebody's actively being hurt, the longer it takes for us to get inside a structure, obviously the greater loss of life. And so having the capability to be able to address certain structures is critical.

So this is kind of information about the proposed program. The kind of the initial team is a sergeant, four officers from the special response unit, so this is not something that would be out on routine patrol or the people would have access to. Only the people assigned to this special response unit who have this specific training would be allowed to do this. There's a whole bunch of training that they have to go through, quarterly training they have to go through after they are initially trained, and then there's there's certifications that we have to go through. Again, the authorized use, it can be authorized from an incident or the special response or SWAT commander.

It can be used in training or real time critical incidents, and it's required in the a b four a one. Next slide. For some of the benefits, you know, we there's software program that's associated with this that allows us to track all of our materials to take photos of reaches for action, after action analysis, to log training and operations and deployments, etcetera. Community and tactical benefits, again, it allows us to gain access to a structure without necessarily escalating things and reduces the risk of injuries officers, offenders, and bystanders. Gives us flexibility.

Basically, this is another tool, a toolbox that we have access to under some very specific circumstances. And, you know, takes us to the next level in terms of capability. And then there's de escalation benefits. It facilitates remote communication with barricaded individuals and may encourage a peaceful surrender. What we find often is that we anytime our special response unit gets activated, all of our crisis negotiators respond as well.

And that's typically the lead for those types of operations, especially if you have somebody who's barricaded inside. We'll say that we're over 90% peaceful surrender rate with our operations, especially when the crisis negotiators are falling down. What we found though is that we get to a place where we need to do kind of a limited breach of structure to be able to look into it or we're getting limited access to it. A lot of times, that'll resolve it. Right?

Once the once the window crashes or once the door is open, folks surrender. And could be then prolonged standoffs and create safer points of entry for our staff. So these are our for overall military equipment, our projected acquisitions for fiscal year twenty six. So we basically classify eighty four eighty one equipment into two categories, consumable and non consumable. So and then we we also have to anticipate that there are unanticipated replacement needs.

Equipment gets damaged during operation or training, we have to replace that immediately. But the consumable acquisitions in the next twelve months will remain consistent with current department replenishment schedules. A lot of that is dictated by, for example, ammunition purchases depend on availability for manufacturers because, again, you have to order proactively. Otherwise, we get staffed behind other police departments, military units to acquire the same material. It depends on how many people we hire in the calendar year and how to be trained.

It depends on how many training days we have in the year, etcetera. So we have schedules for that internally, and that would be ammunition or diversionary devices, chemical agents, and specialty munitions. The non consumables that we are hoping to purchase in this next fiscal year, an additional two drone units for $3,000 to expand our capabilities with that program. Carving rifles, 11 of those at about $20,000, and these are replacement rifles. Specialty ammunition, $50,000, and that is that is for the rifles that that I listed, the carbines, the three zero eights, etcetera.

A case of the diversionary devices, about $1,200, and then the the equipment required to start our energetic reaching program, which is a little over $8,000. So in the grand scheme of things, given our operating budget, not a not a significant fist fiscal impact. And that is the conclusion of this presentation, and I'm happy to answer any questions from Vicky or anybody else in the community. Thank you.

Oh, sure. Thanks. Thank you. Again, I know we get through this every year, right, to do the support. And and you said some no new equipment, but but I I think you answered my question at the last slide, which is it's not no new equipment, but there's replacement equipment cost. Replacement.

But well, right, the request is for two equipment from our two new drone units. Right? So two new drone units to supplement that program. The rifle's replacement, the ammunition against replacement, the distraction or diversionary device that would be considered replacement. And then the the $8,000 Right. Ask for the breaching equipment is that's a new

That's new we can purchase. Okay. So I think we're in some place last year, but it wasn't new equipment. Was but but two new drones, so that's actually adding to the drone. It's not replacing old ones. Okay. That's the. Yes. Okay. Then and then on the breaching oh, for example, what's OC? You said that was the

It's it's basically what people consider to be pepper spray. So OC capsicum is the actual scientific name. Oh, okay. Okay. It's literally cayenne pepper with a carrying agent. So it's

pepper spray.

Okay. And then, yeah, and then interesting on the the bridging program. So what like, what's the cost of training? So I'm just wondering because you said you have, like, 90% peaceful resolutions often in the in these kind of cases. So is the 10% I mean, obviously, as you're bringing it, it was just explaining the, like, the cost of training and the equipment and all of that. Does that warrant like, how often are you in these scenarios where there's a 10% of these scenarios that are worth introducing the the equipment and training for this?

So from a from the standpoint, I should I should clarify. So over 95% of the operations in the history of our special response team, which is our SWAT team, have resolved without any use of force or injury in, but which is a a higher you know, it's a much higher percentage rate than actually, you know, you know, trouble because these are people that have specialized equipment and training to be able to resolve these things without having to use force, and that's always gonna be the goal. Right? The goal is to not create a situation that's worse than the one that we're there to deal with and to do everything that we can, you know, even if it takes hours and hours to be able to resolve it safely. So that's what I mean when I said over ninety five percent.

No use forced injuries to folks. The the unit itself, on average, I'm gonna say maybe the 12 to 15 operations per year, and that includes

Of this kind of incident where you need such a thing? Okay.

Plan well, not necessarily need it. So a lot of the equipment that we ask for, just just like,

you know, the fire department, you

there's certain pieces of equipment you need for very specific circumstances. You bring them with you in the field when you go to these high risk events, but a majority of the time, we don't need to use. So we talked about the usage on one slide. It's a very small small percentage of things that actually get used in the field operationally. We do a lot of training, and that's by design because we need folks to be good at doing this work when it when it happens. You know, when we talk about energetic reaching again, you know, we're talking about really two specific potential incidents or three three specific incidents where that would even be considered for use. Most of the cases that we would have in the

field probably would be hard.

But if we have to get into, you know, a structure to rescue a hostage, it's a technology that you have to be able to have at your disposal to be able to use. And while

we haven't had that in the past, what happens I've obviously first time. Right? So then you can't get in there.

So, fortunately well, yes. So we didn't have it, and there was fortification, there was a challenge gaining access to a structure. Now you're creating time while people are getting hurt. Right? Fortunately for us, I'm gonna knock on wood right now, we have not had that experience, but other other neighboring agencies have. And so, you know, there's a a a sliding

sliding Yeah. That's not on the neighboring jurisdictions. Yeah.

And and these are you know, some of them are neighboring jurisdictions, but others are, you know, down in Southern California, etcetera. And so there's a small percentage of agencies that actually have this capability. And I know the question always gets asked, well, hey. Can we borrow somebody else to do this for us? One of the challenges with that is that they're gonna show up and operate under their policy. They're gonna take a taxable control of the incident away from us. And if they're dealing with the problem in their own jurisdiction, at the same time, they're not gonna be available for us to respond. And so the request is always to have some of these things at our disposal so that when things happen, we're in a position to respond even. Okay. And then you you said in the side, it

said that it would help facilitate remote communication. But how like, how does that work if you're gonna breach it anyway?

You wanna talk about that, Tom?

Or Gary? No. I'm Tom.

Good evening. Thank you, Ravi. So in terms

of the remote communication, you don't have to physically have an operator or an officer go up there and can deploy technology Mhmm. To communicate with the person that's inside. Mhmm. So we'd be able to do that from a distance without creating a confrontation.

So and is the idea that you're threatening, like, we have this technology to be able to blast this thing open, like, oh, is that the idea why facilitate the remote communication?

No. I don't think that would facilitate it. It does have a psychological factor in the Okay. However, that may persuade somebody to surrender Okay. I would say.

And I'm really sorry to you because a lot of the other equipment that I talked about, the bleaching equipment that we have, to to the point that sergeant Faresco made, requires officers to physically go out to the entry point Mhmm. Of a structure and expose themselves to risk to be able to Right? This would allow, you know, this technology to be set be set quickly and to be deployed from a distance behind cover in a in a scenario that I can envision and what we've done in the past is, you know, you you gain apps you you you breach your way into a structure without physically answering it, and now we have technology like our robots, like the drone technology where you

can communicate through the Okay. That is Okay. That's what that means.

Yeah. And so that's a scenario where you potentially use this. You can actually you can actually you can negotiate through those devices. Okay.

And then the last thing, what kind of explosives is it? Not that I'm an engine type expert at all, but I'm just curious.

I'll only answer that.

But that's okay.

We're talking utilizing detonation cord and shield explosives.

Okay. Alright.

Interesting. Thank you. Thanks for the update.

And you wanna talk a little bit just about when we talk about explosive, I think people envision, you know, shrapnel

as exploded. Yeah.

It's this is very, very controlled. It's designed way. Correct. And I don't know if you wanna touch on on that piece of it just so people

are Yeah.

Absolutely, chief. So we're utilizing the least amount of explosives to to achieve a goal, which is to create an opening or defeat a door or defeat a lock. And we're utilizing materials such as tape, cardboard, things of that nature for that fragmentation that the chief had talked about to minimize that. Most of the risk is gonna be towards the people that are actually deploying the charges, not so much the people that are inside. They're actually protected from the blast and the fragmentation from the device itself and from the material that you're breaching.

Okay.

So the rest is more on the people that are deploying it. So to the chief's point, why the training is important so we know how to utilize the equipment, minimum standoff distance, how far away we need to be away from the charge, and also account for the fragmentation that's gonna come our way as well. Okay. Thank you. You're welcome.

I know that last time when we do the a b four eight one, you know, process, there's a a community a community engagement piece to this where you go out and, you know, display all of the, you know, equipment. Will you be will we be doing this doing that this year? Or is that does that only happen every so often? Or

So specific to a 8041, the only time that we did that was initially. Right? Oh, okay. Initially approaching council about, you know, getting the warrants approved and getting the policy approved. We have, though, in other circumstances, including community engagement events, you know, brought out equipment to display and and talked about it and talked about the trust, the use of it, and under what circumstances, etcetera. I I think the last one we did was actually for bringing your kid to work, Dave. We had a Mhmm. We had a slate out there and we shared some information with folks. So we do do that on a periodic basis. And, you folks in the community do have questions or interested in the equipment they've just used in certain circumstances and you wanna understand more about it.

So we're always open to doing that. We don't have anything planned specifically for this meeting on the twenty fourth. That's not to say that, you know, we can't do something else. So

Yeah. Okay. No. I I didn't hear I said. I will open up to public comment and see if there is any public comment on this item. Seeing none, I'd like to close public comment, and I just wanted to thank chief and sergeant Fadasco.

Yes, sir. Yeah.

Thank you. Thank you, and lieutenant Wagner. Thank you very much for this item. Next item is item number seven, which is future future agenda items.

And I don't know if I if there's.

Okay. I wanted to see if Saint Regis somehow that's on there. It's probably enough for September. Right? And then

Mhmm.

And then we can revisit this in the comments.

Yep. One you know, one thing I would really like to just because I feel like I'm seeing more gang tagging. So we'd like to get an update on gang activity. Now am I wrong, or is

there We shouldn't do that now. There's been there's been actually any specific tagging popping up. I actually went down several weeks ago and and met with bishop Mac, assuming they had some tag that happened in the street down there, Glad Tidey's Way. I've seen some on Bishop Hill, 8th Street corridor that's specific to gangs that I haven't seen in a long time. So we we have a team that's dedicated to that type of activity and the issues that are moving, so we can we can certainly schedule an update at some point.

Yes. Be great. The desiring committee. I will say that on the twenty fourth, the organizational assessment we did is not there, and, you know, lot of information there. So Okay. That has a potential view like, an item.

Right. I'm gonna see the Saint Regis Center update. I know that'll be something that, I guess, will be

Well, if we need to trim down that twenty fourth the September 24 item to just focus on

that one review, that might be a

substantive meeting, that one right there.

Definitely want the St. Regis update, because I'm I I just feel like, you know, people are gonna move it in there.

I kinda wanna know what's happening and put the safety plan around that. When when the do we have

a target date of when St. Regis is going to be I know it's open now, but just on a very narrow basis. But are do we know when they're gonna be completely fully operationalized?

I I know staff probably does. I think they are providing and have been since, I think, the January, some very limited services there. We have responded to some calls for service there, but I I don't know when it's gonna be Yeah.

I thought later this year. That's why I

wanted Yeah. Because when I because when I was gonna be state of the city over at the Pacific or the Performing Arts Center, I had reported that, you know, it would be open by the end of the year. A BACS rep, I forget his name, but he came up to me, and he said, yes. You and but I I just generally said by the end of the year, I don't know if August is the or September is the end. In London. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, it would be great to get some update about the coordination. Like, single bus coordination.

Or even have bats come.

Yeah. That's not a bad idea. Do what they're forced.

Okay. Okay. Perfect. Thank you. Okay. So I'll move on to No. No. Is committee members staff announcements or referral. Seeing none, and being adjourned.

Thank you.