Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

The regular Patterson Planning Commission meeting to order, and I'd like to rise for the pledge of allegiance. And maybe mister Galloway McMaster can lead that from the audience for us, sir.

With allegiance to the flag of The United States Of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. To

Thank you, sir. Two jobs tonight. Security, news, and assistant. Okay. Roll call. Let's see who's here.

All those not here, raise your hand.

Commissioner Alexander?

Present.

Commissioner Sidhu? Here. Commissioner Applin? Here. Vice chair Bendix? Here. Chairperson West?

Here.

Let the record show all five members are present.

Okay. We have a quorum, and it's time for items from the public. We have no public really in front of us, but I hope we have some Zooming public. Zooming Zoomers, anything that you would like to bring to this commission that is not on the agenda tonight?

As a reminder, if anyone's on Zoom, if you'd like to speak, please press the raise hand function. We have nobody looking to speak at this time.

Okay. Then we will move on. No items from the public. Statement of conflict by the commissioners. Do any of the commissioners have conflict with the one item on our agenda tonight?

None here.

None. None.

Okay, none here. No conflicts. Okay. Right to appeal. Anyone who is dissatisfied with the decision of the commission may appeal to the city council within ten business days. No correspondence on our agenda. We do have some minutes from September 25. Did the commission get those minutes? Was there anything about those that you wanted to say any differently than what it says right now?

Move approval.

Okay. A motion and a second.

Okay. There's a motion and a second to approve Planning Commission meeting minutes of 09/25/2025. Commissioner Alexander, how do you vote? Aye. Commissioner Sedu? Aye. Commissioner Applin? Aye. Vice Chair of Indicks? Aye. Chairperson West? Aye. Motion passes five zero.

So ordered. Okay. We do have one item. It is a public hearing for a conditional use permit number 2508. And, Ryan, I guess this is yours.

Unless Denise wants to present it tonight. No? All right. Thank you. Thank you, Chairman West.

This item before you this evening is a proposal for a conditional use permit to allow a place of worship to be located at 16537 Highway 33, which is located south of Sperry and Poppy. And the project site is located on approximately 11,500 square foot piece of property, which is a portion of a four acre site, a greater larger parcel, and specifically the the worship center would be contained within an existing 1,850 square foot building. The proposal includes worship times would span from approximately as early as 05:30AM until approximately an hour after sunset. And the proposal is for, they estimate approximately 34 church members or visitors. But the maximum occupancy load for the building would be 45 people.

And then additionally, these types of uses for worship centers are allowed with a conditional use permit within the general commercial district. And so that's the purpose of this meeting, this use permit request. The property is located I'm sorry, is surrounded by existing parcels that include building and landscaping materials, which is right to the north, single family dwelling immediately to the west, agricultural uses immediately to the east, and vehicle storage immediately to the south. Based on the occupancy load of 34 the proposed 34 people that would attend, that would require nine required spaces. However, there are 15 spaces provided based on the existing layout of the parking lot.

The project, as in form, is exempt under the California Environmental Quality Act. And as any use permit requires of the commission, there required findings that I've provided to you within our staff report. There are two of these findings. And, finally, that in the event the Planning Commission is able to make the required findings, staff recommends approval of this conditional use permit number 2508 with a number of conditions which are provided and attached at the end of the report. They total approximately 24. And I'll be happy to answer any questions at this time.

Okay. Commissioners, who wants to start with a question?

To say something. One question.

This some

mosques do broadcast of call to prayer. I assume we're not gonna see that out of this small community. Is that true?

That is an excellent question. And that is something that was not listed on the application. And that is a fair concern. And I'm looking quickly in here for any existing conditions or proposed conditions that would deal with that. And there are no conditions that would prohibit that.

So we don't know the answer to that question at the moment. I've got a question about the number of people. I thought you said 45 a minute and then you said 34.

They're proposing the congregation, for lack of a better term, to be 34, but the maximum occupancy load that the square footage the building allows is greater.

So the building can handle 45?

Correct.

Okay. And there were 12, like 12 spaces, right?

There's 15. Well, know, the application said 15, but I count 14

I'm on-site counting 15. They're not there. That isn't it.

There's 11.

One, two, 711.

Five, six, seven.

It could be 12 depending

on how that one is. That's a handicap. No. The one is the one is a handicap space.

There's six that face North. There's four that faces West. There's four that face Northwest. I think they were, in their application, counting the little area that's not striped at the very, very top end of the property. But we don't need to rely on that since they're already over the minimum required number of spaces with at least the 14 that I count.

Okay. But Brian, those spaces go right up to the edge of the building. And that car is that car gonna pull right up in to that building? There's something missing in

there. There there the building would be at risk of being bumped into. But there are bumpers that stop. And if you there's some there's a photo there. The one photo of the building that I put in the staff report, if you look at those spaces, I'll point to you there. See those little white strips. Those are the bumpers that will stop the vehicle tires from rolling into the building.

And there's still long enough enough space behind it for the for the car?

Not for a limousine, but for a standard car, yes. And this is the same parking striping pattern that accompanied the original and former use of the property.

Okay.

Okay. Since since we're talking about this parking area on the south side of the building, I got a concern here because that distance between the neighbor's chain link fence and the striped area for parking, that's a truck drive area for all the trucks that are on the backside of this. And there's a whole lot of equipment that comes in and out of there all the time. So that's that's a real tight corridor there.

Explain again exactly where. Explain again exactly where. Yeah. And do we have a thing? Do we have a slide that shows the site?

Here. See this? That's a fence And this is all these trucks. This is their area

they Yeah. All right. We'd like to see it on the big screen, too, so everybody can see what we're doing. Oh, right there. Okay. And has engineering staff looked just there were is a has this gone through everybody's system and this is okay?

It's the parking layout is reviewed by a planning staff. And while it's not ideal, we and because it's the timing is we don't expect crowds to be coming all at one time. Staff did not have a significant concern that that would be problematic. We also know that that's fenced off. And one option available is to prohibit the use of that part of the property for parking.

And they would still meet the minimum parking requirement with the other striped areas that are away from the building. I feel like, I mean, that is an option. The striping and the bumpers are still there. I think that practically speaking, people that visit there will still be inclined to use that area. And so we look at that as extra parking, even though it'll probably be some of the most popular parking spaces for that property.

Because the building is there.

It's right there. Yeah.

Right? So the building is there. What what comes up to it? What's in front of it now? I didn't get a chance to see what's right in front of it now. What are they doing with that space now?

The the space in front, like in towards off against.

Yeah. What are they doing with it Point right

to me.

That's the one in the picture.

In front here or in front of the building?

Right there.

So these are existing parking spaces. And they're striped, and the bumpers are there already. So it's been used that way historically.

They're Been

that way. They're they're proposing to continue using this parking as it's been used historically. Okay.

What are the questions, guys? It's a little confusing. Are are we expecting the applicants to be attending in some way even by Zoom? Do we have someone from applicants? You are you applicants? Are you present?

They were notified. I sent them an email, they responded that they received the staff report, but they never said if they were gonna show up or not.

Because we may have questions that we need answers for before we can take action on this. So people need to show up to these meetings. And I have some questions on the the timing. You were gonna give them five years to put in landscaping and this and the other thing. I I I feel more comfortable with some kind of a schedule that says, you know, they got five years to plant a tree or two years to do this or two years to fix parking. I didn't see enough in there to to feel comfortable just saying somewhere in the next five years, all these conditions would apply.

Yeah. I

wish our applicant was here. We could kind of talk this a little bit.

The condition number you're referring to, can you did you highlight that condition number?

Well, no. I mean

Which conditions specifically

are you Somewhere in the staff report. You said five years to you said something in the staff report about landscaping. I made a note of it. Let me see where it is. I didn't see it in a condition. I just saw this comment that you should they needed time to

where was it here? Did they indicate to you how long they're gonna be here to begin with? They're be looking to build somewhere else?

Or They're they're not proposing any other location. And so if this is approved, it could be for several years. It could be for a decade. It could be for one year. It could

be for only Who knows? The only comment with regards to landscaping.

What did I see?

Number five. I'm not familiar

with I thought I five saw something in there about postponing some of the requirements. I wonder if that was minutes from the meeting before.

I know that. So We're just seeing Part of the background is that this applicant received approval of use permit like last year. And there was a condition, because they were approved for the site on mister Downing's property North of Northmead. Yep. And it was at that location where that condition applied. So your Okay. Memory may be tied to

maybe mixing them all up. That won't be the first

time. Making the move?

The deal with the Downing property never fell through. Never materialized.

Uh-huh.

Okay. So this is the same version. Alright. What else? Is the parking making enough sense to you guys?

I just feel like how are they are they just gonna are they expected to just reverse the whole way out of there?

They would they would back they would have to back into the backup area Okay. In the greater parking lot area so that so they can drive straight out onto Highway 33.

Is the fire department okay with this? I hope they are.

The I

hope they get a shot.

I have

Listen, say that worked for them.

I have provided the same number the same conditions of approval that they provided for the same type of use on the prior application. And so

Well, you can get three of those four spaces if you park them parallel. And if you got extra spaces, that might might wish the applicants here were better to talk about it. Getting all you can is is I like that. I like that. But if that if that angle thing suddenly in that square box, that rectangular box is is it.

If I'm going try to get a fire truck in there, what am I going do? I'd propose three you guys eyeball it. That's all I've got here. Will three of those three parallel spaces fit in there instead of the four angled?

Are you are you considering eliminating one of those four spaces?

Yeah. I would I mean, you said you add extra. Mhmm. And those those to me are a square thing in a round thing somehow. They don't that doesn't feel right. What do you guys think? That's a squeeze either way. But if you came in parallel, you could kinda loop around and get out of there. This way you got to figure out how to back out. I'm not sure how they're going to do that. I'd sacrifice one of those spaces. What do you think, you guys? I'm not a traffic engineer, but just eyeballing at those angles just come out of out of out of nowhere.

Well, no matter what they do, they gotta back up.

Yeah. And they're gonna have to figure out kind of, you know yeah. That's gonna be tight. I don't know. What do you guys think? It appears that they have enough parking for what they're doing, what they're requesting. The building can handle more people, so I guess legally, they could just move in 45 people in there. Right? Legally, what's what would stop them?

Parking.

Parking, and they end up parking on the road or something. Okay. So that's the one danger in something like this where they're saying we only need 34. They would be entitled to 45. And you said parking worked at forty five. No? Parking

worked at forty five. Correct.

Okay. Does it work without the fourth one up there on the end?

Pardon me?

Would it work the 45 work without the one

on the Yes. Oh, no. No. Well, the 45 is not based on the parking. The 45 is based on the occupancy type.

Sure. But So the parking ratio then be enough if you used if 45 people showed up?

No. No.

Okay. So they could overcrowd the building and there's nothing we could do anyway? Yep. Alright.

Well, they're in restricted town.

Yeah, but I'm not gonna go out there and count their people. 36 people gets has to go home. Sorry. No. We want people to go to their churches. I just don't want a parking mess out there because this stuff happens and people say, does this happen? And you say Well, you people didn't look at it carefully.

I'm about right just to make a motion that we cancel this out until somebody's here that that can explain

Well, well, we all you would do is is is continue. One

one item to consider is condition number 21 is is kind of a potential solution to any of the concerns that the commission may have. Condition number 21 is the type of condition that allows us to bring the project back. It reads that the permit shall at the discretion of the city be reviewed approximately one year after completion of the project for compliance with the listed conditions of approval. Based on any record of complaints as well as observations made by planning commissioners and or staff, the commission may alter or add to the condition the existing conditions of approval or find that the use is in compliance with all conditions of approval. Further, the commission may rescind the requirement for further review or schedule further review.

So in other words, the commission would have an opportunity approximately a year from now to review the the the use, and that would give the city, the applicant, the commission a year to see how it's absorbed into the property. And then if there are issues, items that that collectively we have determined to be problematic, we could then further condition the project at that time. So the city is not really selling its soul by granting a potential use permit approval at this time because we can always rescind it if we determined a year from now that it it would warrant that.

Well, that's all fine and dandy except for the fact that there's plenty of these items here that just need to be answered now. I mean, there's enough fire department issues here that we should have somebody from the fire department here.

Well, if you would like some additional time, you can certainly make a make a motion to continue and ask the the the applicants to attend, which I think they need to do. People need to take this seriously. And if there's a problem where they can't attend, they need to let us know.

Well, I'm gonna step up and entertain that motion.

We can we can continue this.

You guys need to open the public hearing. It's a possibility they may be

on Thank

you for keeping us honest. Yes. With where we are here in this process is we have no applicant. We have some questions that we would like clarified before we can take action or want to take action. So I will open the public hearing on this and ask if anyone would like to address our conditional use permit 2508.

Commissioners, we do have Hugo online that would like to speak.

Cool. Thank you. Go ahead.

Just one second here. I'm working on getting him unmuted.

And give us the name again. Hugo. Hugo.

Hugo, you'd like to go ahead and unmute yourself?

Go ahead, Hugo.

He has his hand raised, he doesn't look like he's unable to unmute himself. Okay. He took his hand down.

Okay.

Nothing? Okay. All right. Anyone?

Anybody else?

Any input on this thing? Public input? Calling once, calling twice. Okay, I'm going to close the public hearing. Okay. I will entertain a motion.

Well, we already have a motion from Lynn.

Was it legal before hearing? Let's make it again. We'll accept it. We'll accept your motion. Did we get a second? Did we get a

I second it.

Okay. We got a motion and a second that we continue this to the next meeting. Is that what you guys want?

Yes. Yes.

With the

And with the applicant present and some some more detail on some of this parking, some options looked at or whatever, however you wanna how do you want it worded?

Yeah. That's fine.

Yep. Alright. Let's call the roll.

No, no. That's his. I've got an issue to add to the condition.

Oh, that is issue.

Noise abatement. I don't wanna get to a point where we're doing a general broadcast of a request or a calling to prayers.

Yes. Yes. Yes. I have that answer. Okay.

We have to have a question about that.

We've got

a conditional 25 about noise restriction from the, from the mosque.

Let's add that condition if we get to that point with them.

Okay.

Rather than add it right now. The the motion is to continue this.

Okay.

So let's keep it simple. Does everyone understand the motion? Yes. Moving this back, getting the getting the applicant present and getting some Okay. Let's call the roll.

Okay. There's a motion and a second to continue conditional use permit 25Dash08 to the next planning commission meeting so the applicant can be present. I'll take roll. Commissioner Alexander, how do you

vote? Aye.

And commissioner Sidhu? Aye. Commissioner Appland? Aye. Vice chair Bendix?

Aye.

And chairperson West?

Aye.

Passes five zero.

Thank you. And a reminder to applicants everywhere, be here. It's important. This is an important place to be when you apply for something. And Hugo, I'm sorry we didn't get you on. We're moving the meeting. If you're interested, come back in next time. And anyone else Zoomers, we love you. Stay with us. Okay. What do we have from staff?

So you'll see this come back on November 13. And pardon me? I'm sorry. Yes. The twentieth.

That's the regular meeting. Speaking of November 13, the reason why I brought up November 13 on a separate matter now, keep in mind this is not an agendized item, but this is merely me giving the Planning Commission a heads up as to what is in our immediate pipeline. We are working to bring forth the Zacharias Master Plan Development Agreement for review by the Planning Commission prior to it going to the City Council. We're trying to get it acted upon by the end of the year. And to do that, we are considering holding a special meeting of the Planning Commission on September 13.

No. I'm sorry, November 13. Did I say September? Yeah. Always burgers. Yes. November 13. And so that would enable us to safely get the DA to the planet to the city council in December before the holiday break. And so please, if you can, if you are able to mark your calendars tentatively to participate on November 13, same time, 7PM, that's a a possible hearing item.

And explain again that you said Zacharias master plan,

what? Development agreement.

Development agreement. So it's a development agreement that applies to everybody out there. Is that what's happening or somebody or is for this specific project we approved out there?

It's for it's it's for it's not for everybody on the Ivy Rose portion. It's for the main it's for all the properties in the Zacharias area. So it wouldn't include the Baldwin. Okay.

Would be

everything west of the canal that separates the Ivy Rose neighborhood from the bulk of the development area.

Okay. Okay. All right. So it's not a project we're considering. This is a development agreement. Correct. Format or agreement among okay. Got it. Perfect. Thank you. Alright. Well, that'll be an interesting item. A little different than what we usually get. What else you got? Anybody? Commissioners? Anything? Alright. Well, I appreciate everybody's time. Anybody from the public have anything to add? Hats off to our reporter. Thank you. Good job. Okay. With nothing else to be added, I will adjourn this meeting, and thank you all for being here.