Police Fatality Public Fact-finding Review - Regular Meeting

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We ready? Welcome to today's police fatality public fact-finding review concerning the death of Fabian Leon. Good afternoon. My name is Todd Leventhal and I'll be the presiding over today's proceedings. This review is being held because the Clark County District Attorney's Office has made a preliminary determination that no criminal prosecution of the officers involved in the death of Fabian Leon is appropriate. Clark County Ordinance Chapter 2.12 requires a public review following such a determination. This is not a trial. The purpose of today's present the public with essential facts surrounding the death of Fabian Leon. Chief Deputy District Attorney Haley Wilming will present today's fact-finding review on behalf of the District Attorney's Office. She will determine the witness or witnesses to be called. The ordinance does not provide subpoena powers on my behalf and does not allow for any other party to call any other witnesses. Monique McNeil has been appointed to be the Ombudsman. She represents both the public and the Leon family. She will have the opportunity to ask questions of the witness or witnesses. The procedure for questioning witnesses shall be informal with a view to providing the public with relevant information regarding the use of force, the rules of evidence shall not be strictly enforced today. Members of the public observing this review may submit proposed written questions on forms located in the back of this room and present it to one of the officers. I will ask the questions unless I determine that it is irrelevant, redundant, or an abuse of the review process. At the conclusion of the review, no formal determination regarding the manner or cause of death shall be rendered. Do either parties have anything to add?

No, thank you.

Ms. Wilming, please feel free to call your first witness.

Thank you. The state would call Detective Eddie Vega.

Go ahead.

Good afternoon, sir.

Good afternoon.

Can you tell us how you're employed?

As a police officer for the City of Henderson Police Department.

And what's your current assignment with Henderson PD?

A detective in our robbery homicide unit.

How long have you done that job?

About two and a half years.

And how long have you been with Henderson PD total?

Almost 11 years.

You said almost 11? Yes. As part of your responsibilities in robbery homicide, are you sometimes assigned to investigate officer-involved shootings?

Yes.

Can you tell us generally what the protocol is when an officer-involved shooting occurs?

Typically, it's obviously patrol that it's involved in an officer-involved shooting. After the scene is rendered safe and secured, notifications are made to our supervisor chain of command, and then detectives are called out to the scene where we assume the investigation.

And so is your role to investigate essentially all the facts of the officer-involved shooting and render a report and PowerPoint summary as a result of that investigation?

Yes.

So in this case, were you assigned to investigate the officer involved shooting involving the death of Fabian Leon?

I was.

And what was the date of that officer involved shooting?

February 19, 2026.

Did you prepare a PowerPoint to summarize your investigation, which includes kind of an overview, maps, phone calls, things like that?

I did.

OK. I'd like to go through that PowerPoint with you. If you could just start by giving us the general details of the shooting. where you began your investigation.

OK. So the location was at 233 Scott Grove Street in Henderson. At this time, it was our second officer-involved shooting of the year, and it was our first fatal. The report number is 26-02748. And again, it occurred on February 19, 2026 at approximately 830 hours in the morning, Detective Vega. So at approximately 745 in the morning, Yvonne Alvarado called Henderson Dispatch, stating that her ex-boyfriend Fabian Leon was at the location, and she had a temporary protection order, otherwise known as a TPO, against him, but he would not let her leave the residence today to renew it. At approximately 7.46 in the morning, Officer Giorgi, badge number 3039, who her call sign was 2NOR31 for the day, was dispatched to the location. Yvonne Alvarado additionally advised dispatch he was going to get into a shootout. He, who was Fabian Leon, was going to get into a shootout with police if they came to the location and he would kill her. Officers arrived on the scene and established a perimeter around the residence. Officers made continuous announcements at the location, directing both occupants to exit the residence. Officers heard yelling from inside the residence. Alvarado and Leon each briefly came out several times, and officers stated that Fabian Leon had a firearm in his right hand. Eventually, throughout the course of the investigation, or the call for service, Yvonne Alvarado came running out of the residence, and she was closely followed by Fabian Leon, and she could be heard on body cameras screaming that he has a gun, saying he has a knife. I apologize. At that point, officers directed Fabian Leon to put his hands up, and then instead of following commands, Fabian drew a black object, from his right hip area and aimed it at Yvonne as if it were a firearm. Fabian Leon did not follow the commands and four officers fired at him. In total, 24 rounds were fired and Leon was struck approximately 11 times. Leon was treated at the scene by the Henderson Fire Department and was declared deceased.

Okay, so I think next we have an overview map of the address, correct?

Yes. The yellow is indicating the address, the 233 Scott Grove Street. The street runs north and south, and it's obviously parallel slightly to North Valley Verde. So it was the third house in once you turn down that street.

And then do we have a closer-up photograph of the house itself?

Yeah, so in this image, where the black SUV's in the garage, or in the driveway, that's the house. And this depicts the overall conditions at the time of the officer-involved shooting. So the patrol cars are to the south. There's others that are outside the frame on the east as well, or on the north side of it.

OK, you can continue.

And this just indicates the yellow boxes are where the four officers that discharged their firearms, where they were positioned at the time of the shooting. Additionally, the red star indicates the position where Fabian Leon was shot at.

Did you prepare a timeline? kind of detailing all of the important events of the call.

Yes.

Okay, go ahead and share that with us.

Excuse me. So at 7.45, as stated before, the initial call for service was made to Henderson Dispatch, and then approximately seven minutes later, the first officer arrived on scene. At 7.56, patrol officers that were on scene requested that the Henderson Fire Department stage at 8.02 a.m., fire department stage, so medics and engines staged in that time. And then at 8.04, so two minutes after they staged, an officer sees the male, which is Fabian Leon, pulling a gun out of his waistband, which he notifies other officers about that. At 8.06 a.m., SWAT and then our crisis negotiation team were notified. At 8.11 a.m., female, which is Yvonne Alvarado, telling officers to come inside. She was near the front door at this time. At 8.13, officers observed Fabian Leon dragging Yvonne back into the residence. And after continuous announcements throughout that time, at 8.30 is when the officer-involved shooting occurred. And then approximately 11 minutes later, as medical was rendering aid, Fabian Leon was declared deceased.

As part of your investigation, did you review the 911 calls that Yvonne had made to Henderson Dispatch?

Yes.

And can we hear those if they're included in your PowerPoint?

Yeah, so this is the first, there was, I believe, a few phone calls made, so this is the first one at 745.

Henderson 911, what's the address of the emergency?

223 Scott Grove Street.

Give me the address one more time, just for verification.

What was that?

Give me the address one more time, just for verification.

Um, 233 Scott Grove Street.

Okay, what's the phone number you're calling from?

My cell phone, 310-880-6969. Tell me exactly what happened. My ex-boyfriend, Fabian Leon, L-E-O-N, just was released from Henderson Police Department, or Henderson Inspection Center. And he said he's here to help, but there's a reaching order. to renew it. Um, and he's not supposed to be here with the court orders, but today I think sometimes it's a thing that's checked out before you.

Okay. Are you having a dispute with him? Ma'am? Hello?

Okay, does that conclude the first phone call from Yvonne?

Yes, I believe so.

Okay, and then you mentioned that there was another phone call, correct?

Yes.

Okay, we can go on to that one.

So at approximately 7.51, the additional call was placed at 9.11, and this is where she stated that Fabian was going to get into a shootout with the police.

Hello, 9.11, where is your emergency? Hello, can you hear me? Hello? Hello, can you hear me?

Hello?

Hello? Hello, can you hear me? Hello, are you there?

Yes. 911, where is your emergency? Listen, he's in my house. He's not supposed to be here.

What is the address of the emergency?

233 Scott Grove Street.

What is your name?

Yvonne. What's your last name? He's going to come out in the bedroom and I cannot be on the phone with you. He will kill me.

Okay. Does he have any weapons?

No, but he said that he would go into a shootout with you guys.

When did he say that?

This morning.

Does he have any weapons?

I don't know.

Okay.

What's his name?

Okay, so he's inside the house now. Where exactly is he in the house?

He's in the house. Where in the house is he? He's in my bedroom.

Okay, and where are you at?

In the living room. But she just hurried to the house with you. And is that the end of the second call? Yes. Okay. As part of your investigation, did you also review the radio traffic, the internal radio traffic between officers?

Yes.

Okay, can we go ahead and listen to that, please?

This is just indicating the time that Officer Giorgi was dispatched to the residence in reference to the 911 call placed by Yvonne where she was reporting her ex-boyfriend was in the location in violation of the temporary protection order.

2-3-3, Scott Grove Drive, correction, Scott Grove Street. Pierre's ex-boyfriend, Fabian, was recently released from jail. She says that she has a TPO, but didn't advise that he wouldn't let her leave the residence today to go renew it, so unknown if it's expired or not, right? Control continuing. The female's now silent, not answering questions. We're still on the line trying to get further information. 233 Spack Grove Street, Nora 2. 2-Nora-71, Control, also be in route.

Control, 2-Nora-21, you can put me on that, make me primary.

2-Nora-21. 2-NOR-31, Central, you can just run. 2-NOR-31, thank you.

Central, 2-NOR-21, we'll take a third whenever one's available.

Confirming you want a third on the 417?

Affirm.

2-NOR-31, can you be back in route? Sure. 2-NOR-31 is on the 417. The female's stating that she can't talk and that she's in a closet. And then the line disconnected. Break. Central continuing. She's stating that the male subject's going to be an HMA, 44 years old, no shirt with jeans. Okay, I'll have you pause it now.

So we heard the initial details that were provided to the first responding officer. Fair to say this video or this audio is pretty long?

Yes.

Is it the audio from the entire event?

It is.

Was there anything else in this radio traffic that wasn't already discussed by you that would provide some more insight for this hearing?

No.

Okay. Next, I want to move on to the involved officers. Can you take us through each of those involved officers and explain their role as well as the weapons that they were armed with?

Yeah, so the first officer involved in the shooting was Officer Lucas Braun. He was hired September 3, 2024. He's 29 years old, and he's a patrol officer assigned at this time to the North Area Command. On the day of the officer-involved shooting, his call sign was 2NORRA11, 2N11, and he was working day shift hours. He completed a walkthrough of the crime scene after the shooting. He did not provide a statement to detectives, and his body-worn camera was activated. This is Officer Braun's firearm used in the shooting. It was a Cole M4 carbine, 5.56 millimeter, equipped with a tactical light optic and suppressor. And then throughout the investigation, it was revealed that he fired two shots at a distance about 93.5 feet, 93 feet, 5 inches. The second officer involved was Officer Joseph De La Cruz. His hire date was April 23, 2023. He was 36 years old at the time, and he was a patrol officer also assigned to our North Area Command, operating as his call sign was 2NORA21. He worked day shift as well, which is the 6th to 7th. 4 p.m. He did complete a walkthrough. He did not provide a statement to investigators, and his body-worn camera was not activated. Officer De La Cruz was also equipped with the same Colt M4. His was equipped with a tactical light optic antisuppressor, and the investigation revealed that he fired seven rounds at a distance of approximately 99 feet, 6 inches. Third officer was Officer Omar Teran. His hire date was November 2nd of 2020. He's 34 years old, a patrol officer in our North Area Command, and his call sign for the day was 2-NOR-41. He was working day shift as well. He completed a walkthrough. He did not provide investigations a statement, and his body-worn camera was activated. He was equipped with the same firearm, equipped with a tactical light, optic, and a suppressor. The investigation revealed he fired one round at a distance at approximately 62 feet. Fourth officer was Officer Shane Weber. He was hired in April 20, 2020. He's 31 years old, a patrol officer assigned to our North Area Command, and his call sign for the day was 2-NOR-61. He worked day shift. He completed a walkthrough. He did not provide investigators a statement, and his body-worn camera was activated. He was also equipped with a Cole M4 carbine, equipped with a tactical light optic and a suppressor. Investigation revealed he fired 14 rounds at a distance of 97 feet. was our final officer and then were there also officers that were simply listed as witnesses yes so there's several officers uh officer marquis cooper who's a traffic officer there's officer philip duffy who's also assigned to our traffic which is our motors unit officer christian garland he was assigned to a north area command patrol officer omar taran or sorry omar sanchez he was assigned to our central area command Officer Ricky Stevens, who was assigned to our East Area Command, and Sergeant David Woolman, he was assigned as a supervisor for the North Area Command.

Through your investigation, did you learn that Yvonne's adult son was also present in the residence at the time?

Yes.

To further your investigation, did you have an opportunity to speak with both Yvonne and her son?

I did not conduct the interviews, but they were interviewed in our unit.

Okay. Did you have an opportunity to review those interviews and summarize them?

Yes.

Was there also an interview conducted with a neighbor who perhaps had provided some video?

Yes.

Okay. Why don't you take us through the summaries that you completed of all three of those interviews?

The victim interview was conducted by somebody in my unit, another detective, one of my partners, and this was with Yvonne Alvarado. Basically, throughout the investigation, it was determined she had a complicated personal life. She had a history of being a victim of domestic violence by multiple men. She allowed Fabian Leon to stay at her residence after being released from jail, despite that there was an active protection order against Fabian. On the day of the incident, an argument began after Alvarado appeared virtually in a court hearing in Colorado. During this encounter, Fabian grabbed her hair, threw her to the ground, and kicked her. And then Fabian also stated, it's either going to be you, me, or both of us, but one of us is going to die today. Fabian also threatened to boil the month-old puppies and burn the house down with them inside. Yvonne's dog had multiple puppies that were, I believe, in the kitchen area, and that's what he was threatening to boil. The interview continued with Yvonne. So Fabian was... angry that she called the police. Fabian told her he was going to pretend that he had a firearm and walk outside so police would shoot and kill him. Fabian forcibly took her cell phone to cut off communication with Henderson Dispatch. So Fabian tucked a bent piece of a metal angled object that is similar to a firearm in his waistband. He grabbed the knife and began walking toward her, causing her to run outside in fear of her life. Yvonne stated that Leon was walking towards the officers with a knife in his hand, and she did not have any visible injuries at the time of the interview. The second interview conducted was with Yvonne's son, who was also present during the call for service, and he lives inside the residence at 233 Scott Grove Street. His name is Anthony Manguel. So he was awakened by text messages from his mother telling him to grab his dog and get out of the house immediately. He personally did not witness any altercations but has seen violent incidents previously involving his mother and Fabian. He witnessed Fabian previously pull a knife on his mother. He described Fabian Leon as a violent and unpredictable person along with hating law enforcement. Last night, he heard Fabian making threats to kill his mother, but he did not intervene or call police, which is the night before the shooting. And while outside, he heard verbal commands such as get down and put your hands up, which he believed were directed at his mother and Fabian. So this is indicating that he heard the police commands. The third witness in this investigation that was interviewed was a neighbor. His name was Nicholas Inguez. He lived directly next door, so if you're facing the residence, to the left of the residence at 231 Scott Grove Street. He was awakened by his brother after hearing what sounded like a megaphone outside. He went outside and was immediately directed back inside by police. He described disturbances occurring next door as usual with police previously responding to the residents. Heard officers continually instructing someone to come out and he saw Yvonne Alvarado ran outside, followed by a male, which was Fabian Leon. Nicholas believed that the male was holding something in his hand, possibly a knife, which was dropped after being shot by police. Per Nicholas, the officer shot the man after he failed to comply with very clear commands. After the shooting, he observed officers administer medical aid.

Were you able to obtain additional information about the suspect, Fabian Leon?

Yes. This is a picture of Fabian Leon. So he was 44 years old, 6'2 and 190 pounds, and he was registered as a transient. He was not living anywhere at the time. The charges, if he had survived, were coercion with force, assault with a deadly weapon, resist public officer with a deadly weapon, domestic battery, fail to update address as a convicted sex offender, violation of a suspended sentence, and violation of a temporary protection order.

You can continue with the slideshow. OK.

So a record check of Fabian Leon's criminal history revealed that he was a six-time registered felon. And for the following charges, it was assault with a deadly weapon in 2002, take vehicle without owner's consent, California 2008, grand theft, California 2008, receiving stolen property, California 2008, possession of a stolen vehicle in Nevada in 2016, and child abuse in Nevada in 2019. In total, Fabian had 27 arrests in Clark County over the last 12 years. Most recently, prior to this event, he was arrested on January 5, 2026, under Henderson Report No. 26-00251, and the charges were domestic battery with a deadly weapon and domestic battery by strangulation.

And then you can continue on with the next one.

Just some additional information about Fabian. So under this event number 26-00251, he pled guilty to misdemeanor domestic battery on January 27, 2026, and was given a suspended sentence with conditions. And then the second report, number 26-00673, he got arrested for violating the TPO while in custody at the Henderson Detention Center. So he was in custody on January 12, 2026, and he violated his protection order there. And he also pled guilty to this charge on February 9th and was given a suspended sentence with conditions. He was also released from the Henderson Detention Center on February 9th at approximately 9.43 p.m.

Did you also compile some videos including in-car video from patrol officers as well as surveillance from a nearby address?

Yes. Okay.

We are going to show the videos next.

Okay. I need to make a statement that the following material that's about to be presented may contain graphic images or language. Viewer discretion is advised at this point. Go ahead.

This video is from Officer Weber's in-car video. It depicts the officers on the right side at, I believe it was 230 Scott Grove. They're all standing in the street. And this is the vehicle that they are utilizing to make announcements at the targeted residents, which you can see on the left side of the camera. And that's the one with the black SUV. So this will just show the moments leading up to the involution and the shooting itself.

Please leave your message for call 622-196-691.

Okay, you can continue with the next video. I believe it's a surveillance video from a neighbor.

This is Sergeant Woolman's body-worn camera. in the stack with the officers at 230 Scott Grove. So this just depicts the statements before and what appears to prompt the officers to shoot.

There we go. There we go. Man, step out! Run! Over here! Run over here! Hey! Sir, let me see your hands! Can you kind of explain what we heard going on in that video? Yes a sergeant woman

Initially, when you hear Yvonne screaming, you could hear them issuing commands to both Yvonne and Fabian. And at that time, officers observed that Fabian's carrying a knife in his hand. So at that time, Officer Woolman directs the person with the 40 millimeter less lethal munitions launcher and shoots a foam round. He directs that officer that's equipped with that 40 millimeter less than lethal round to come to the front But then at that point that you could hear the officers state that he has a gun and that's when shots ring out Okay, you can continue with the next video This is a surveillance video from 230 Scott Grove. So this just gives the overall depiction of what took place and on the right side where the black SUV is is the house that Yvonne and Fabian exit and

This is the Henderson Police Department.

Come out with your hands up and nothing in them. This is the Henderson Police Department. Come outside the front door.

Ma'am, step out. Ma'am, come over here. Hey, sir, let me see your hands. Ma'am, get over here.

Sir, he's got a knife. He's got a knife, guys. Stand by. He's got a knife.

Gun.

He's flying, he's flying, he's flying.

And did you also zoom in on that same surveillance video to make it easier to see what Fabian was doing with his hands at the time that he was shot by police?

Yes. Okay, let's go through that one. Sorry, this is just a video that shows like highlighted portions of where they were at. So it's the same exact video. There's just a star that shows where Fabian was at as he's walking out the residence. Do you want me to play this? Sure.

Just have you stop for one second and make the following statement. Again, the following material is required to be presented and may contain graphic images or languages. Viewer discretion is advised. You may proceed. Thank you.

So again, it's the same video. It's just there's highlights to indicate where their positions were throughout the video.

Ma'am, step out! Ma'am, come over here! Come over here! Hey! Sir, raise your hand. Ma'am, get over here.

Sir, he's got a knife. He's got a knife. He's got a knife, guys.

Stand by. He's got a knife.

Go, go, go, go, go. Drop the gun.

So I did, we slowed down the video, or zoomed in on the video, and what it depicts is Fabian initially has a knife in his right hand, and he transitions that knife to his left hand, and then he reaches on his right side, on his hip side, and produces a black metal object, which later was determined to be an L-shaped bracket that, from a distance, could resemble a firearm. So that's just what this is showing.

Man, step out! Man, come over here! Hey, sir, let me see your hands! Ma'am, get over there. Sir, he's got a knife.

He's got a knife. He's got a knife, guys. Stand by. Stand by. He's got a knife.

Go, go, go, go, go. Drop the bomb.

He's firing. He's firing.

He's firing.

He's firing. So in that video, it was kind of easier to see than the last one that he was walking behind Ms. Albrado as she left her residence and he had a knife in his hand?

Yes.

And then you said he transitioned the knife to the other hand and pulled out what was believed to be a firearm but was determined to be a metal bracket.

Yes.

Did you have an opportunity to review the documentation as well as walk the scene showing that bracket and the other evidence that was discovered?

Yes.

Okay, you can take us through that.

This is the overall photograph taken by our crime scene analyst. Fabian was standing behind that vehicle when the shots were fired. And then the next picture this depicts at the top of the screen is that L-shaped metal bracket. And then on the bottom of the screen, you can see the knife that he was carrying in his hand. So he transitioned that silver knife to his left hand and then produced that black object and pointed it at Yvonne. And that's when officers yelled that there's a gun. And this is just a close-up of that knife that he had in his possession. And then this is a close-up of that metal L-shaped bracket that he had in his possession as well.

And so he would have been holding that bracket the way someone would be holding a firearm with gripping the shorter part?

Yes.

Can you talk us through what injuries Mr. Leon sustained as a result of this?

Yes. So Fabian was treated on scene by the Henderson Fire Department for multiple gunshot wounds, and he was declared Deceased at approximately 841 hours by Dr. Phillips at Sunrise Hospital. Preliminary information is Fabian Leon had four penetrating wounds and seven perforating wounds. There was two wounds to the head and eight projectiles were recovered in total. Four in clothing and four in his body during the autopsy. This is just a picture provided as to where he was struck by gunfire.

Okay, I have no further questions for the witness.

Thank you.

Good afternoon, Detective. Just for the record, my name's Monique McNeil. I'm going to ask some questions just to bring transparency to the proceedings. After my questions, I have two questions from Mr. Leon's son that I'm going to ask.

Okay.

I want to start kind of at the beginning. We heard that initial call. So around 7.45, we hear Ms. Alvarado say that there's a man in her house and he's not allowing her to leave, right?

Yes.

Initially, she did not know whether or not he had a weapon, correct?

Initially, yes.

And at one point, the line went silent. We heard that?

Yes.

And so now we know that there's a woman who has a man in her house who won't leave. The line's gone silent. This probably raises concerns about domestic violence and possibly a hostage or barricade situation?

Yes.

And then around 7.51, we hear her back on the phone, and she's now reporting that Mr. Leon said he was going to get in a shootout with the police, correct?

Yes.

We later learned, the department later learned, that he made those statements that one of us is going to die today, right?

Yes.

And we also learned after the fact that he had made statements... saying that he wanted to leave this world, correct?

Yes.

And do you remember learning later, this would be after the fact, that he had told Ms. Alvarado that he was going to pretend that he had a gun?

Yes.

And, in fact, he was using a couple different items to make it look like he was carrying a gun?

Yes.

One of those was a hair straightener at one point?

Affirm.

Okay. Officers are trained to respond and identify to suicide by cop situations, correct?

Yes.

A's plan to provoke a police shootout could possibly indicate someone trying to commit suicide by cop?

That's fair to say, yes.

And the officers who were on scene were aware that there had been communications that he was planning a shootout, correct?

Yes, per the 911 call.

Was a crisis intervention officer sent to the scene?

I'm not sure if there was any crisis intervention officers at the scene. I'd have to go back and look.

At some point, a officer had requested that the SWAT team be activated, right?

Yes, SWAT and crisis negotiation. Okay.

And crisis negotiation, they come down and they're going to talk to the person inside, right?

Yeah. They'll make whatever attempts possible to communicate with the person that's in crisis or in an event like this.

And they're trained on how to communicate with people who are in this kind of situation?

Yes.

Okay. Is it fair to say you want to be kind of careful how you're speaking or interacting with someone who may be in this mindset?

Yes.

At some point before the shooting, officers had seen Mr. Leung and Ms. Alvarado coming in and outside of the house, correct?

Yes.

And at that is the point where officers say they could see something in his waistband they believed was a gun?

Yes.

When the woman's son came out, that's when he told officers that Mr. Leon did, in fact, have access to firearms inside the house?

Yes.

So at that point, and we're talking fairly early on, officers were aware that there was a potential credible threat that he may have a firearm.

Yes.

Do you know who the first officer was who yelled gun on that body camera footage?

I do not.

And it's fair to say a lot of these officers who were involved didn't give statements.

Yeah, none of the shooting officers gave statements.

When you're dealing with a situation where there's possible hostage or barricaded person, does HPD use the incident command system?

Yes.

Was that system being used in this situation?

I believe so, yes, but that also takes time to set up.

Okay. And we saw, I'm sorry, is it an officer or a detective woman? He was sort of, seemed like he might be in charge of the scene at that point.

Yeah, it was a sergeant woman, yes. Okay.

And the sergeant woman was sort of giving, assigning roles to different officers at the scene?

Yes.

So he was having one officer give commands, correct?

Yes.

And he had told one officer that they were going to have that less lethal 40? Yes. Okay. And some officers had ballistic shields, is that fair to say?

Yes.

It was about 8.06 that officers learned that SWAT had been activated?

Yes, I believe so.

And the shooting was around 8.30? Yes. Did officers have any idea about an ETA for when SWAT or CNT would arrive?

No, I believe they were coming from across town because they were in the process of serving an additional search warrant. So they were leaving that search warrant to come to this one. So they were just drive time from their location.

Okay. Do you remember hearing on the radio traffic if the officer had been given sort of an ETA?

I don't. I'd have to refer back to the report or to the radio traffic.

Okay.

And we saw that the officers had, and I'm sorry, I'm a civilian, so I'm just going to say, they had rifles instead of handguns.

Yes.

And do we know why they were using rifles in this situation versus their standard handguns?

They set up several residences down, and obviously a rifle was more accurate at the distance that they were at. So in the event that they did have to discharge a firearm, a rifle is a safer option for them at that distance.

And you said it's more accurate at a distance, correct?

Yes.

Okay, so because they were potentially far away from Mr. Leon, they could have a more accurate shot if they were using a rifle?

Yes, if needed to shoot, yes.

And there were officers at sort of multiple sides of the residence, is that correct?

Yes.

And some of the officers were able to see the backyard?

Yes.

And at one point, Ms. Alvarado actually came into the backyard, right?

Yes.

Were those officers told at any point to try to extract her while she was outside?

I believe they tried to give her commands.

They were trying to give her commands?

Yeah, to come out.

There was no order to them to, as far as you know, to actually go into the yard and try to pull her out, correct?

No, that wouldn't have been a safe option for them at that time.

And we learned at some point that she was not leaving because she was concerned about her dogs?

Yeah, their puppies.

Okay. So there were some points where she potentially could have gotten out of the residence. Is that fair to say? Yes.

Yes.

Sorry, let me skip to my notes. Was there one officer designated to give commands? Because it seemed like we sort of heard multiple officers giving commands.

Yes, typically you try to allow one officer to give verbal commands, but obviously in the critical incident that they were encountering, I think several officers tried to give commands, and then Sergeant Woolman directed one officer be verbal commands only.

Okay. And it seems like there's a difference where nothing's dynamic is happening giving commands versus now the guy's out, someone's running, and multiple people are trying to act, right?

Sorry, can you repeat that question?

I said, so initially you have a scene where we have one person giving commands where the situation is a little more controlled versus once the two are outside of the house approaching officers. It's a little more dynamic, right? Yes. So multiple people are kind of trying to intercede at that point?

Yes.

But typically in a situation where you may have a hostage situation, is it best to keep it controlled with one person giving commands?

That's your ultimate goal, yes.

And we heard some of the commands that were given to Mr. Leon, which were essentially come out and do it now, correct?

Yes.

At no point did any officer tell him that they were going to use lethal force if he didn't comply, correct?

I don't believe so.

Did officers try telling Mr. Leon that they just wanted to resolve the encounter without anyone getting hurt? Yes. Was anybody able to establish a rapport with Mr. Leon?

No, I don't believe there was any contact with him at any point during this investigation.

Do you know if officers tried to use Ms. Alvarado's son, who was outside, to communicate with anyone inside the house?

I'd have to refer back to the report.

Okay. As you sit here, you're not aware of that?

No, not that I could recall.

We heard Officer Woolman, when he was saying 40-40, that's him essentially talking about that less lethal.

Yes, Sergeant Woolman was directing the officer to use the less lethal, yes.

So it sounds like Sergeant Woolman had a plan that included a less lethal option first, right? Yes. In fact, do you remember on the body cam that at one point he said, if he comes out with a knife, we're going to hit him with the 40?

Yes, I believe so.

And that meant deploy that less lethal?

Yes.

Okay. And so he did come out with a knife, right?

Yes, initially, yes.

Okay. And so that planned, if he comes out with a knife, deploy the .40, that wasn't ever activated, right?

No, it was. The officer was brought to the left side of the vehicle, and then as he was aiming, that's when the officers could hear that there's a gun. So at that point, the .40 was not deployed.

Okay. Okay. But that initial plan of like basically if we see him with the knife, deploy the 40, the shooting happened before that?

Yes.

These are going to be kind of hard to answer since these officers didn't give you interviews, but do you know, we don't know which officer fired first, do we?

No. Okay.

Do we know when the other officers fired if they were shooting because of things they had observed or because they heard other people shooting?

I can't answer that.

And do you know if the officer who fired first personally saw what he believed to be a gun?

I can't answer that.

And would you agree with me when we see that last little bit of the footage, Mr. Leon's hands after he's sort of manipulating objects are at his side?

Yes.

And then I have two questions that Mr. Leon's son wanted me to ask.

Before you ask the questions, is there any follow-up, because we're gonna ask questions at the end, and I need to get the questions over to the state so they can approve them. Is there any follow-up with the state, any questions?

Just a couple. So to sort of walk through the moment of the shooting itself, you agree that it unfolds pretty fast within a few seconds, right?

Yes.

So Ms. Alvarado was seen exiting the house by officers. They're making commands to her to come to them, correct?

Yes.

And then almost immediately after that, Mr. Leon is seen coming, walking out past, I guess, where the video can see he's walking towards her. Yes. And towards officers. Yes.

Yes.

And at that point, he is seen to have a knife in his right hand?

Yes.

And then, like you mentioned before, the plan would have been to deploy the low lethal at that point, but while the officer was moving up to do low lethal is when he pulled out the metal bracket?

Yes.

And so at that point, you said that the low lethal would not be used if there was believed to be a firearm on the suspect?

Yes.

And so this kind of all unfolds within a matter of less than five seconds?

Yes.

Okay. That was all.

Anything further, no? Okay, we're gonna take a quick break and we're gonna look at the questions that you have.

I just have two.

I need the state to see them and then if we can approach and then I have to ask them. So if you could just show the state. Good, okay. Detective, there are two written questions. The first is, I just want to know why they dragged him down the street after he was on the ground deceased.

The officers dragged him to the awaiting ambulance. I don't remember the street that runs perpendicular with Scott Grove, but there was an ambulance there, so they brought them to, the officers are dragging him to the fire department and the paramedics for further medical assistance.

And the second question is, and why they shot so many damn times, over 27 rounds, for a suspect 30-plus feet away from them?

I can't speak as to why the officers fired so many rounds, but they obviously observed what they believed was a firearm, and that's what caused them to shoot.

Based on those questions and those answers, is there anything further from the state?

No. Just one based on the, again, I know it's hard because they didn't give you statements and you can't second guess what people are thinking, but typically when officers are shooting, is ideally, do they try to reassess between shots? If there's time.

Ideally, yes. Okay.

Anything further?

No, thank you.

Okay.

So, no other further questions. And I want to make sure that there were no other questions written from the back. If I could, was there anything handed over in the back? Any other questions? No? Okay, there'd be no. I'm going to give a brief closing remarks. The public fact-finding review was held because the Clark County District Attorney's Office made a preliminary determination that no criminal prosecution of the officers involved in the death of Fabian Leon is appropriate. Clark County Ordinance Chapter 2.12 requires a public review following such a determination. The purpose of today's hearing was to present the public with the essential facts surrounding the death of Fabian Leon. Monique McNeil was appointed by the Clark County manager as the ombudsman to present the public and the Leon family. Ms. McNeil was given an opportunity to ask questions to provide the public with relevant information regarding the use of force in this case. I was appointed by the Clark County Manager as the presiding officer to preside over the public review. I too was given an opportunity to ask questions to provide the public with relevant information regarding the use of force in this case. Prior to today's public review, the Clark County District Attorney's Office provided to both Ms. McNeil and myself copies of the law enforcement investigation regarding the death of Mr. Leon. The document provided by the prosecution were considered public. If you missed any portion of this review or would like to obtain a recorded transcript, a video of the entire proceeding is available on the Clark County website at www.clarkcountynv.gov. This concludes the police public finding review into the death of Fabian Leon.