City Commission - Regular Meeting

Just settle down. We just have to pay attention to what's going on. So, Madam Clerk, we are, everybody's on the dice now.

Okay. And it is almost set up. Okay. Madam Mayor, it is 6.08 and we are live.

Thank you very much, Madam Clerk. Good evening, everybody, and welcome to the regular City Commission meeting of the City of Lake Worth Beach for Tuesday, August 18th, 2026. May I have the roll call, please?

Mayor Betty Rush.

Here.

Vice Mayor Mimi May. Present. Commissioner Sarah Maliga. Present. Commissioner Christopher McVoy.

Here.

Commissioner Anthony Segrich.

Present. Thank you very much. Mr. McVoy will meet us in the moment of silence, and Ms. Maliga will do the split.

invocation or moment of silence so let's give just a little bit of thought before we start um of remembering history in other parts of the world sometimes in our own where sometimes human beings go a bit astray and start making distinctions between good human beings and other human beings. And that, as we all know, has not ended well in the past in other places. So let us be very careful as we think of our fellow human beings and remember that they are all human beings, all have human dignity, regardless of their stories, where they started life, and make room and be vigilant of othering It is very prevalent in parts of our country at this moment, and it's, in my opinion, a very unfortunate and un-American part of our country. Let's be vigilant and avoid it.

Thank you. Amen.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Okay, I have a suspicion that there might be some additions, deletions or reordering tonight. Just a hunch. And now would be the time to do that, Mr. McVoy.

i'd like to add two items that are each about an hour long oh wait wrong agenda um we have a very packed agenda we do and uh i also i'm guessing that a goodly portion of the folks here are here for one of the items so i'm going to make two suggestions uh maybe um going to make two suggestions one is that we pick one of the heftier items either the long term or the short-term rentals or the turf grass and decide that in our wisdom and not doing it when we're all exhausted at the end that we table one of those two to a future meeting And I'm going to suggest, because I'm guessing that a good deal of the folks that are here are here for the PBSO contract, that we move that item further up into the agenda. I would move it right either after the approval of the minutes or after the consent agenda. In any case, move it as far forward as we can in view of that we have a lot of public comment on that. Or I imagine we have a lot of public comment on that.

at least a lot of interest okay those are my emotions okay thank you um i agree i i would like if we're going to take one off i'd like to take the turf one off fine with me um as far as moving the pbo so thing um up front i i agree that a lot of folks are here although if we have to stay here shouldn't they um let's see we have but we do have things that we need to get done so and we have staff that um Wendy Gaertner- is also here, one to get you know their stuff done, so what say you any to those recommendations about taking off artificial turf and perhaps moving the pps so. Wendy Gaertner- Mr segwitch.

thank you um there are some residents that have been waiting a year for the artificial turf that have liens on their homes so i don't want to delay that um i don't think we should delete anything if we run out of time we have a mechanism for moving stuff at that point but let's try to get through our agenda and i would leave it as is thank you miss melega um i would

I have to say that I agree on the artificial turf, but I was looking at items E and F, wrap-up report for the July 4th and consideration of a deed restriction. We could possibly move those to the next agenda that'll take two things off. I am in favor of moving the PBSO conversation up, but unfortunately everything on here, and this is where we have to be mindful of our time limits and not banter and not have dissertations before we get to a question or point. So let's just kind of keep it short and sweet and get business done. Right.

So you would rather take off the deed restriction, which actually should be pretty quick.

I have no objection to that, but I don't think that's going to make any difference to the timing.

That's by at least 35, 40 minutes. And again, just being mindful of our time.

And as far as the turf is concerned, I don't think anyone at this point, we're not enforcing it is my understanding, Madam Attorney. At this point, we're not enforcing the artificial turf.

There have been no code case. All code cases were put on hold over a year ago for artificial intelligence.

Yeah.

So there still are people with active liens that are anxiously awaiting this decision. And so why don't we try to get through the agenda? I'm okay with moving the July 4th wrap up off of this agenda, but I wouldn't change the agenda otherwise.

Ms. May?

I think that the July 4th wrap-up, we can get it any time. So I'm fine with that being moved. There's no, they're not asking us to make any decisions on that. I think it would be appropriate to move the PBSO contract to the beginning. maybe right after the consent agenda. And I think that the turf and the other one, I think that there may be enough questions that we might wanna ask that we haven't gotten answers to, or at least for me, that I have questions that I don't know yet. And I would like to at least get those answers tonight, whether or not we pass the first reading or not, but I'd like to at least bring it up. So I don't wanna take that off.

I'll make a motion to move new business g law enforcement services agreement up to um in front of public hearings so after consent agenda and remove item e july 4th wrap-up report second okay all in favor all right i know that i am going to have but okay um i'm going to ask us all

I'm begging everyone, let's keep an eye on the time. There's a lot of very heavy things here. I would just ask that if you can possibly condense your thoughts to cogent small pieces, it would be helpful, because we're going to be here till 11 o'clock, I anticipate, anyway, and I would like to be able to actually get through the agenda. So we have four for it and one against changing. Did you get that? I did. Thank you. Okay. We have publication of non-agenda items and consent agenda. Where do I have my cards?

So you have your cards here.

there's one for the consent agenda here and the rest that goes on the same file I know so I'm just giving it that and everything else I'm organizing for you I have very much appreciate that I have no use to help it makes it fun for me too it does okay rams McLeod consent agenda you have a comment on the consent agenda public petition of non-agenda and consent agenda they get to talk about the consent agenda you put a consent agenda point of order that's what you do you have you have one for consent consent agenda this cbdgb is on the consent agenda this is when you can come well we it's before that you're up if you want to talk

why doesn't anybody who's staff who's in the audience why don't you guys move to the front row for people who are coming in we like our staff on the front we want to see you no i mean it's that's not supposed to be i will wait to you oh they're just leaving it's easier for them out there they can sit they can chat

Whatever. I guess we scale along.

All right, folks. Let's pay attention to Ms. McLean.

Whatever you want to call me, Mayor, at this point. Ramsey McLeod, 24 South Street. My comments to regard the CDBG agreement. I know this seems like something that is cut and dry, but I have a concern, particularly since a project may take longer than the fiscal year the funds are being dispersed in. Say they award us the full amount, but come October, the federal government decide not to fund this program anymore. Does that impact funding for the fiscal year 2027 or 2028? If we begin a project and experience delays pushing us into the next fiscal year and there is no funding set aside to complete the project, then what happens? We didn't have the funding in the first place for the project. So where do we find the money to complete it? When they say we may need to return any funding provided, where is that money going to come from? Who finishes paying the contractors doing the work or does the project just not get completed? Unfortunately, this sounds very much like a bait and switch issue clause being proposed by the county. I would really appreciate it if staff could answer these questions or better clarify for us how this process works when it comes to doing the work and the distribution of funding. Thank you.

Since we pulled the 4th of July, you want to hold this until next time? Okay, up next, what I'm going to do is I'm going to call your name to speak, and then you're on deck the next person, just so you can get prepared. And I'm having a little trouble. Someone begins with a Z, S-I-E-L-L-O, Cielo. Ah, there we go. Thank you.

We've seen her a lot. I'm not sure her name's Z. I'm sorry.

Hi, V. Good evening. Hello. 1134 19th Avenue North. I am speaking about the Block cameras. They're not all necessarily flock, but the license plate readers, which have become more prominent in the city. And I am able to look up and see, I think the last count that I saw was we have maybe 30, 31 new cameras. I feel like that's a lot of surveillance for a very small area. I'm speaking specifically about the downtown area. i don't want that kind of surveillance i don't want that kind of government oversight in my city and i think that a lot of people are feeling the same way there's a lot of growing hostility towards these cameras and towards the threat that they pose not just you know to criminals the way it's sold to us but to everyone who values their privacy In addition, I have recently been educated about the fact that a lot of these shot spotters that are supposed to be only picking up gunshots also record human voices. Now, whether every model does that, I don't know, but there is a lot of surveillance happening in our city. Of course, everyone's concerned with their privacy now, but it seems like we are losing that in our small town, and I would not like any more of our city budget to go towards more cameras. Thank you.

Up next is Tyler Chapman. And now, we really have a long night ahead of us, folks, please. Dr. Renata Pezzetto is after that. Just your name and address, please.

The Chapel 26 North. Talk about the lack of work you guys have done to stop the ethnic cleansing campaign going on in the community. By now, many of you have heard about this. You've heard directly from the community members. You've heard from the leaders of the community. And still, no action. very disappointing you've all said you can't do anything we had a forum recently i know a lot of you attended where you heard there were things you could do you've declined to do those things For people here who ran as like bringing people together and to kind of go above and beyond to help community come together, I think it's very sad that you've left out a huge portion of our community, in our immigrant community. Not just that, but all communities have members of the LGBTQ plus community within them. And so when you ignore our immigrant community and you let them suffer under terrorism, you are too letting our LGBTQ community suffer under that same terrorism. The money that you spend here means a lot. Your words also mean a lot. You have not said enough. You have not spent it in the right places, and you're not doing enough. And if that's because of personal bigotry, well, I don't know. I can't read your minds. But when I see you doing nothing in the face of such horrors, I have to wonder, where do you put your time? How do you spend that energy? How are you going to spend your money? Thank you. Oh, also the dream team. You should invest in that. That's a way to help people the most in need.

Thank you. Dr. Renata Casado, followed by Jeannie Powell.

Good evening, Madam Chair and Commissioners. My name is Renata Bozzetto. I have the honor of serving the 85 organizations that make the Florida Immigrant Coalition. My address is 9497 Boca Garden Circle South. Although I am not a Lake Worth resident, some of my members are within the city. I also have the pleasure of shopping here very often. The reason why I'm here today is our immigrant neighbors are suffering and nowhere more in this state than they are suffering in Lake Worth, and I know that you know that very well. More recently, with the end of TPS, the temporary protected status for the Haitian community, some of you, I believe you, Commissioner Malego, were going to have direct impact on your district. Just last week, hundreds of thousands lost their ability to live and work in the United States with a regulated status. What that means is that the witch hunt against our neighbors who are immigrant is not only against those who have been seeking a pathway for a regulated residency, but also targeting those who have passed their background checks, who have done everything that the government has asked them to do, and who are now undocumented. Those are our neighbors who cannot return to their country of origin, and TPS was created exactly because of that. And yet federal policy is impacting your residents. And although you don't have the power to legislate immigration reform, and we at the Florida Immigrant Coalition are very clear about that, you do have the power and the fiduciary duty and the responsibility of protecting the residents, whether they are voters or not. whether they are children of immigrants, so many dozens of them displaced, and in the care of their neighbors, and in the mercy of donors who are fundraising for tickets so they can be in exile with their parents in a country that is not of their own. So the question that I have for you, which is both a plea and extending a hand of support, is what are you doing to protect your residents in this moment in which you are so much directly impacted? And the state data shows that Lake Worth is so much this epicenter, one of the state epicenters, and has been through many forms of interactions in the city. I appreciate your time.

Thank you.

So maybe I'll go for five hours. You just can't make decisions, good decisions after two or three hours. Everybody's tired, we're tired, you're tired. So I think both short-term rentals and artificial turf should be delayed, postponed. We've been talking about this, kicking this can down the road for years, and I don't think it's going to matter if we wait another month or a few weeks. um this agenda also makes me wonder about the pre-agenda meeting that was cancelled i understand i saw uh commissioner may's um post on facebook that you were at the league of cities meeting but we learn a lot from the pre-agenda meeting a lot of people watch that and they use that to formulate comments for the coming meeting and to better understand it so I don't know why that happened, why that couldn't have been figured out in advance. So I do take exception to that. I thought it was wrong. Now I want to speak directly to Mayor Resch and Vice Mayor Maliga. Neither of you are running for office again. You can do the right thing going forward. by voting to protect neighborhoods and our most vulnerable residents. You can support a resolution calling out law enforcement's cruel and inhumane treatment of some of our immigrant community, soon to include Haitians who have lost their TPS status. To ignore this is to lose your humanity, in my opinion. Mayor Resch, a while back you asked commissioners to consider a de minimis exemption from the permitting requirements for food shares of groups of 25 or less. You called yourself an old liberal. And I mean, I thought that was important. I consider myself to be an old liberal. It seems like you wanted to do the right thing, but ended up voting against your own suggestion. But at this point in your political life, I challenge you to go bold, to show your humanity and do the right thing for all residents. You if you the three of you vote for a resolution to. Focus on the what is happening in our immigrant community.

think that would be beautiful thank you thank you good evening mariana blanco 1776 lake worth road

commissioners i have stood in front of you countless times and i have told the stories over and over again of the families that are being separated of the children that are suffering because of what law enforcement is doing and detaining and deporting their parents and it is appalling that we have not heard a single thing from this commission we have been covered these stories have been covered by national news they've been heard all over the world and everybody's asking us how to support the children that are left with no families the children that are left with no parents in your city we have right now five families whose parents have been detained or deported the children are living with their caregivers and we're trying to figure out how to get them back with their parents reunited many of those children majority of those children are u.s citizens how do we get this commission to care about the children How do we get this commission to act on behalf of the children? I've spoken to you a lot of times, many of you individually, and I know that you want to help support these families. What is it that is stopping you? From the Guatemala Maya Center, you requested the data that we had to give you some more insight on the detentions that we've seen in our city. We've given you all of that data. There was no action. There was no follow up about that data. We are nonprofit. We can only do so much. We need the city commission's assistance with this. We can no longer allow these children that are suffering, the children that are most vulnerable to continue suffering at the hands of law enforcement while our city does nothing. We know that Lake Worth is one of the hotspots for detention and immigration. As a matter of fact, yesterday, we saw two people get detained on d street and we sold the children lost their parents how much are we going to let happen i know that you all about the residents in your city and i know that all of you personally care about the children in the city. So let's do something about it. Don't make us come up here and beg for your support. Let's act and help the children of this community who are most vulnerable and facing exile with their parents right now. Thank you.

Kim Stokes. Kim Stokes, followed by Peggy Fisher, followed by Lindsey McKay.

Kim Stokes, 1321 North L Street. I just wanted to use this opportunity to remind you that you had a chance a few years ago to even entertain a very potentially bold and transformative policy in the Dream Team. And the people that were up here on the dais, two of you didn't even want to consider it because you thought it was too expensive. But we've seen what you spend your money on now. And it's quite honestly... shameful. I do not believe in criminalizing poverty and the actions that I see from this commission tend to make me believe that you do. You've passed a lot of additional regulations and you want to fund people to enforce those regulations rather than to help the people that really need the help the most. So I just want to remind you that we had a proposal on the table that you wouldn't consider after Commissioner May was elected. We had many people show up to the community asking the new commission to use ARPA money to run a pilot program. The great thing about a pilot program is that you get to test out something to see if it works before you commit to it indefinitely. It had target populations that had very clear goals. of providing direct access and streamlined collaboration with the City of Lake Worth and Behavioral Health Network. The target populations were homeless or at risk of homeless, high utilizers of acute care, individuals with mental health conditions, substance use disorders, and co-occurring disorders. This plan could have really saved lives and helped people on a pathway to becoming stable. And you wouldn't even consider it. It had objectives and it had very specific qualifications of a nurse practitioner. recovery peer support specialist, a case manager, people that were SOAR qualified so they could help people access benefits that they needed. It was very for just an idea of a plan, not a contract. It was very detailed as to what the goals were, how we could achieve them and how we could measure them to make sure that the program was effective and it was based off of programs that we've seen be effective throughout the country. So I'm disappointed that you all, most of you, not Commissioner McVoy, most of you would not even consider a plan like this. You'd rather rely on law enforcement to go after the people that need the help the most.

Thank you. Ms. Fisher? So there's many questions.

Thank you, Fisher. 508 North A Street. Like Ramsey, I wanted to comment first on the consent agenda. I would like for you all to keep in the back of your mind that if the county does get a negative response from the federal government to the award of the Compass CDBG funding, that you find the funds within the city budget having said through all three budget sessions to date i know there are funds that you can move around and take care of the air conditioning at compass tropical ridge neighborhood association meets at compass they are welcoming every time we go there and i know other organizations also use it so i just wanted to speak that asking you to keep it in the back of your mind that if that does happen Because I think that's sort of implied in some way to the amendment being proposed. Second, I found it interesting and correct that we should all treat each other as human and not stigmatize other people. I think that applies to whether or not you are a different race, different nationality, your different circumstances in life. And I think it's very inhumane for anyone on the dais to call a speaker a liar or to say they hate someone who speaks. I think that is not being humane. So I hope that those words can be applied both ways and to everyone here. I don't feel that you all do not care about the people and children in this city. I think you all care deeply about them. And you look at what your responsibilities are to the city and what you're able to do. And I appreciate your service. Thank you.

Thank you. Next up is Lindsay McElroy, followed by Guillermo Carrasco.

Hi, commissioners. My name is Lindsay McElroy. And I my address is 1776 Lake Worth Road. I'm here. I'm representing the Guatemala My Center.

Do you live in San Diego?

No, I do not. I live in Miami, but I'm representing the Guatemala Maya Center. I work there full time and I've worked with the migrant community in Lake Worth Beach for 12 years now. I'm speaking to all today to tell you the story of the Domingo family. This is a family who are longtime residents of Lake Worth Beach. The children went to Highland Elementary. One of them has already graduated Lake Worth High School three months ago. And the eldest, Wendy, just turned 18 years old last Saturday. That Sunday, the day following her 18th birthday, Wendy drove her parents and her little siblings to mass. And then the dad said, I'm going to buy you all a new pair of shoes for the school year. Let's go to the store together. Wendy was always very careful. She always drove her parents. She never drove them together, only when they were going to church. But this was a special day because it was the first day of school the next day. And they'd live just 10 minutes from here. they were pulled over by law enforcement all those children the youngest is three years old watched their parents get detained before their eyes and often the conversations are about the parents about you know how they came here about all the circumstances behind it, but we really want to focus on the children because the trauma this has created in these children, we see it firsthand. Wendy was supposed to start Palm Beach State College on the 21st. She has now postponed it. She instead took a second job because she's a full-time caretaker of her four younger siblings. And the 16-year-old knows that she has to cook on the evenings that Wendy works and she'll probably also be taking another job. The parents are in detention. The three-year-old is being rapidly potty trained so he can enter daycare because he has no one to care for him while the girls are at work or at school. These are the children of Lake Worth Beach. These are the children who have looked up to you, who have gone to events with you, who have spoken to you before. These are your constituents and they are crying with us at the center every day. They're coming to just be with us because they have nowhere to go anymore. Their homes don't feel safe anymore. And we're asking you to think about these children when you think of law enforcement, when you think of their role and responsibilities in our city. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you.

Good afternoon. I'm Guillermo Carrasco. I'm part of the center, and I have been serving the migrant community in Palm Beach County for over 50 years. Today, I'll be reading the comments of our founder, Father Frank, because he was not able to come today. With local government, we have rescued ourselves from the harvest of shame. You remember what the harvest of shame was. Not only do we have helping us, the school board, but also the Children's Service Council, not only them, but also the health department and the healthcare district. It is in police services that Palm Beach County experiences a failure of protection. The Lake Worth workforce does not know what is to get to work or to take the kids to school in safety. Thank you.

Thank you. Well, that is it for public comment. A couple of minutes. Do I have a motion to approve the minutes? Do I have a second? Second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Consent agenda. Do I have a motion? Motion to approve. Do I have a second? Second. No, that's good. All in favor? Aye. Thank you. Okay. Well, I'll believe Kearns. Oh, no, no, no. You're right. PBSO. Okay. Thank you. I appreciate it. Okay, we have quite a few public comments on this. I would like to call for a motion and a second so that we can let the folks speak before the motion to approve a conversation. Second. Okay. All in favor? No, no, no. Okay. Well, it's just a conversation.

Okay.

Well, we don't need to vote on that. No, no. Okay. So, Mr. McGlory, do you Yeah, I think that the folks are here and they would like to listen to what the public have to say before we start talking. So I'm going to call your name and like we just did, I'm going to call your name and then somebody, I'll call the next one to get in up on deck.

On deck.

Okay, this person has Is this what it wants me to read?

No.

Okay. If you've written something, you can certainly come up and read it, or I can read it if you want me to read it. So, Jamie Ballester. Jamie Ballester?

Jamie Ballester, the address is 15706 Longboat Key Drive, Loxahatchee. I oppose the increased budget of law enforcement, and I think that our resources should be prioritized on building highly robust education, health care, affordable housing as a means to provide social stability in our lives. So please consider and just acknowledge and realize the importance of how much this will actually benefit everybody in the community, not just in Lake Worth, but across the state of Florida, even across the country. So it's something worth to consider. Please and thank you.

Thank you, Tony Lopez. Tony Lopez. Petrona. Okay. PBS is Petrona Lopez nine tenths North J Street. Thank you. PBSO keeps saying they aren't working with ICE. But we all know that in the city, they keep picking up our most vulnerable community members. This is this is why no one here calls PBSO anymore. Thank you. Dr. Zola. Dr. Zola.

For the record, Renata Bozzetto, 9497 Boca Garden Circle, South Boca Raton. I'm here in opposition to the agreement with PBSO for various reasons. I've known the community has brought to you several concerns in regards to enforcement in the city, and I understand that the city contracts PBSO for a reason. The most important objection that we have to this agreement is that this is an opportunity for the Commission to address issues that you have experienced in a long time, such as not knowing who are the deputized officers in your community, what they are doing, how they are doing, and having to rely on data from the Guatemala Maya Center and others when you can add a modification to this agreement to ensure that PBSO is being incredibly transparent and reporting to you with rigor and clarity. Another thing is an agreement that goes with such a length of time, a decade. In a decade, we experienced a pandemic, we got away from it, and we are still going back to a bunch of backwards policies. So much has changed in 10 years. And I hope you consider that 10 years is too far of a length for your residents in a moment that so much has been brought to your attention already in opposition to this agreement. the last thing that i want to say is that policing in the city has been impacting residents and expanding the workforce whether it is in parks or workforce on policing the street whether you want it or not we're going to have immigrant and immigrant enforcement repercussions This we know because in our very state, fish and wildlife agents have been arresting people fishing in our ponds. Nothing warranties that a park ranger who is employed by the sheriff's department will not assume immigration enforcement tasks, diverting the resources from your community into a job that's supposed to pertain to the federal government and that we know very well distrust creates distress and shreds public safety so thank you that's time there is an opportunity for you to get ed guard rails i appreciate your time thank you very much

Hello again, still Vee at 1134 19th Avenue North. I will try and be brief since we have already heard so many people, but I do want to draw attention to the fact that there are people from organizations like FLIC and like the Guatemala Maya Center who have taken time out of their night to come here, even though they are part of organizations that have so much work that they are doing every day. And I implore you to listen to them primarily. for on my end i oppose the new contract with pbso we already have such an abundance of police in our area sometimes there is a day when you cannot drive one block without seeing four officers and it's overwhelming it's overwhelming to have a police helicopter circling your house three to four times a day at the height of it It's overwhelming to have police on every single corner of our city. It's overwhelming to feel like everyone is being criminalized. not just the people who you're looking for even if we may not agree with who that is i also speak to you as a member of the community hotline for incarcerated people we have a plenty of data to prove that over policing does not work incarceration is not the answer to our community's ills and we don't want this contract these issues need to be addressed

Mr. Chapman, followed by Peggy Fisher.

Tyler Chapman, 1224 16th Avenue North. I oppose the expansion of a PBSO contract, especially for up to 10 years. This $500,000 additional to park rangers is not a reasonable use of our money. Trying to clean up our parks by pushing poor people out of them is a violation of those people's rights. They have a right to be in public spaces, constantly offering them trespasses because they've been harassed long enough to be constantly in the presence of police officers and the fabricating reasons to haul them off to jail for the night or for the weekend is abhorrent. It happens all the time. We deal with those community members. We do hear those stories over and over and over again. We have a plan on the table to help that community. The dream team, it's been up in your emails. You've all hopefully seen it by now. I know some of you might not care to read, but they do exist. That plan is out there and you should be paying attention. Help people. Don't just punish people. punishing people for being poor does not help it hurts our community and you're responsible for that you've been at the head of that you've been helping that happen for years now and it's disgusting it needs to stop even right now in this room there's an officer taking notes of the dissenters in our community who are coming to speak and is writing down their names and listing their talking points these things are available on youtube sure but it is strange to have this like long arm of the law involved in taking notes about who is speaking at our meetings and so much that i can take a picture of it in a meeting room is strange this is a weird thing to have happen here if you're not going to address these problems fine you're not going to be in office and maybe you'll get other office or higher office that's fine but the people in this community are going to still suffer from the decisions you make today and it's not necessary you could leave a hero but instead your legacy is your own and it is what you make it thank you

I've lived in the city for 18 years for 16 of well probably 18 of those years I've had the helicopter flying over my house looking for people trying to cordon off people trying to look for people who have walked away from assisted living homes their own home where their caregiver didn't know they were gone i support pbso I know that the park rangers will not have arrest responsibilities. That is part of the setup. I support putting them. You've all asked for this for over a year. You put it in the budget. and i think it would be good for our city to have someone i live in an area of the city where we have a very small one well i guess it's three 25 foot lots put together that we have vandalism in we have things that i won't speak about taking place in and having a park ranger to protect this park we're getting ready to redo with new play play equipment where there will be plenty of children is important and i hear all these horror stories and i just i do not see them i'm out and about and as far as taking down names i sit in the meeting every night and often on major items on public comments i write down who speaks what their position is not for me to go to any track down anybody or do anything it's just the way i take notes that doesn't make me a bad person so this keeping ramping up and the the attitude towards pbso isn't helpful i also know that the city cannot afford to not have a contract with PBSO or another law enforcement agency because the cost of going back to a Lake Worth Beach Police Department is not affordable. We do not have that money. It is clear we do not have the money for the capital, for the personnel, for the pensions, for everything involved in a law enforcement agency.

Thank you. Thank you, Judy Powell, followed by Ms. Blackman.

There's a lot of park rangers in this new agreement that were never in previous discussions. I don't know if this is a way of padding the contract to justify the half a million dollar price tag. Environmental education, I don't recall that was ever discussed. I haven't asked Commissioner McVoy, but I'm thinking that he might do that for free if we need environmental education. I also recall that a previous commission, not this commission, and quite some time ago, I think they authorized an additional PBS deputies to patrol the Snook Islands facility and possibly Bryant Park. What happened to those positions? I don't know. It's like they've disappeared. Now we have to hire park rangers to do a job that I think I recall PBSO was supposed to do. what happened to the pbso deputies who used to walk a beat downtown i believe that was effective instead multiple law enforcement offers officers with their cars i've seen it converge on one intoxicated homeless person sitting on a sidewalk that is not cost effective for the requested budget i suggest One, hire one or two paid supervisory level park rangers to coordinate, train, coordinate, train, and oversee a trained volunteer citizen observer patrol team. This is an existing PBSO, a volunteer program. They get training, they get uniforms. I think they get cars. Their duties could mirror those proposed for park rangers without unnecessary cost. Invest the savings that you save on park rangers into a pilot dream team program, a previously proposed program to manage and deescalate situations that do not require multiple law enforcement officers. This team of trained professionals could likely handle many situations more effectively and at lower cost. operate both of these programs on a two-year pilot and then evaluate their effectiveness and costs before reauthorizing. I'm not suggesting we eliminate PBSO. I am asking you, as stewards of our tax dollars, to ask more questions and demand answers and explore more cost-effective alternatives. Don't write a blank check. Thank you.

Followed by Kim Stokes, followed by Barbara Heru.

Mariana Blanco, 1776 Lake Worth Road. Commissioners, if we move forward with this expansion of PBSO, it will be a clear indicator that this commission is not listening. And I want to be very clear. We're not asking for an end to the contract with PBSO. I know that that is probably what you're hearing. That's not what we're asking for. We're asking for transparency and for there to be guardrails in the work that's being done. We are the front lines. And I know that Sheriff Bradshaw has publicly said that he is not doing immigration enforcement. I can tell you otherwise, and I've given you the data to prove that. And as a matter of fact, yesterday on South D Street, there was a detention, an unmarked vehicle, and the officer of that vehicle very clearly had a vest that stated that he was a sheriff. So when... We hear that PBSO is not doing these enforcements, but we see something very different. We capture it on video and we talk to the families. We understand that PBSO is very clearly in this part of the work. We're not asking for there not to be a police department that helps us when there are crimes what we are asking is that if a constituent of the city calls pbso for help that pbso don't arrest them for their immigration status which has happened so In looking at this contract, I would ask that this commission be open to not expanding it immediately, that this commission be open to hearing some of the suggestions that have been offered by other members of the city, and that this commission be open to looking at guardrails that protect all of the residents in the city and not just a portion of the residents in the city. Thank you.

Stokes followed by Barclay.

Kim Stubbs, 31st Street. A lot of us here are trying to launch and would like PSO support them, want to continue operating with them, but I want to make it, this is not a good track. And you've not done your due diligence in negotiating this contract for the residents of the city. On page three, item E, it talks about the supplemental law services that they'll provide, council meetings, special events sponsored by the city and others, and that they will be, will be, providing the hourly rate in accordance to 5.3 on page 8, which is jumping up to $142 an hour and $183 an hour. I would like to see a fiscal impact on how much our parades are going to increase every time we need to contract for additional services. There's no data. There's nothing I saw in the backup telling you what the true cost of this contract is. I just want to read one quick paragraph on page 12, article 11.1. This agreement shall remain in full force in effect commencing August 27th, 2026 and ending September 30th, 2036. That's 10 years with annual cost updates occurring the first day of each subsequent October and shall automatically renew for subsequent 10 year terms unless the agreement is terminated. that is not looking out for the city like a speaker said a lot can happen in 10 years and to just take away all your negotiating power i mean we have flock cameras now we didn't have those 10 years i want to know that the commission up here can address these concerns when mass surveillance starts flooding our community and not have to threaten to exit an entire contract because you've taken away all of your negotiating powers tonight rushing into something that does not look like it's been vetted to me because you're eager to get park rangers that from what i can tell with no real job description are just kind of glorified code enforcement officers the only thing here that is shows their credentials is that they will be face code enforcement trained within a certain time frame that's the only credential i see here i don't see any objectives any goals how you're going to measure if they're doing the job and you're just going to let them stay in the city forever Without any kind of metrics. That's not good governance.

Hi, I'm Barbara Arab, and I live at 9361 Eden Rock Court in Delray Beach. I'm against the city signing a new contract with the sheriff's office without more examination on the contract details, implications, and costs, and certainly over a 10-year period. More specifically, I want to address the sheriff's 287G agreement with federal immigration authorities by contracting with the sheriff. You invite more immigration enforcement into Lake Worth Beach, yet the contract remains virtually silent on the subject. Hundreds of local families have been separated by detention and deportation in our county by the sheriff's office. And I believe that was the expectation. After all, the state administration even said that Florida's participation in in the 287 program acts as a force multiplier to assist federal efforts in immigration. In this contract with the sheriff, you require the sheriff to provide all kinds of information on their law enforcement activities, as that should be. And yet you don't ask for corresponding data or any data at all. from the sheriff's office on its immigration enforcement activities in this city. The sheriff is providing their data to the State Board of Immigration Enforcement. And that is why we know that the sheriff has one of the highest numbers of immigration encounters and arrests in Florida, in our county, in Lake Worth Beach. We know that the sheriff has received close to $2 million in federal funds to enhance their abilities and cooperation with ICE. And we know that ICE has surged. It's on the rise, their activities, and the sheriff's office is part of that. We know that local police... cooperation with ICE is reducing community trust. People are not reporting crimes. This is well studied. And that erodes public safety for us all. We've come here to discuss this contract. What we're asking for is that the very least in the contract requires accountability and that the sheriff provide real data on their immigration enforcement operations to the city thank you

column one five south of our beach here because i'm so opposed to this contract pbso i think we've seen enough human rights violations from people in detention and that only is a small fraction of what's really going on it's just what we finally get to see made public adding more police more sheriff power to this process i think is an inhumane way to handle the situation thank you thank you

It's McElroy followed by Mr. Carrasco.

Lindsay McElroy, City of Miami resident representing the Guatemala Maya Center at 1776 Lake Worth Road. I just want to bring to your attention, you know, we've told you the stories of the children and families many times, so I won't go over that now. but that Palm Beach Sheriff's Office has deputized 160 officers to act as immigration enforcement. In contrast, the City of Miami Police reports that they have signed the 287 , but they have only deputized one officer to act as immigration enforcement. PBSO may not be conducting raids as they call them, but they are conducting traffic stops that are done by racially profiling work vehicles, by scanning license plates, and by detaining our community members under the guise of a routine traffic stop, a routine inspection. today you all have the power to reevaluate a contract this contract does not need to be passed quickly it can be taken with time with negotiating power with due diligence to analyze if all the things in this contract is appropriate for this time and this place in history where our sheriff's office are causing harm to our community. I have seen many times where people have come to us instead of reporting crimes to the police because they are too afraid because we have had residents get detained. One resident, Axel, was detained after calling for a welfare check on his daughter. Another resident was detained after calling the police because he was robbed. The people are afraid to report crime now. I also would just like to give you a reminder that Orange County terminated their ISGA agreement with ICE and that Alachua just passed a resolution prohibiting masked agents. Nothing in state law prevents municipal officers from doing the right thing. So I just want to say today you have the opportunity to hold PBSO accountable and not pass this contract without doing our due diligence. Thank you.

I'm here in regards to the LEA, LESA with PBSO. I would like to, I would like to think with Beach have its own police department.

Thank you.

Olivia Griffin.

Hello, Olivia Griffin, 1343 Fairfax Circle East. Hello, Olivia Griffin, 1343 Fairfax Circle East. 1343 Fairfax Circle East, that's in Boynton Beach. I was a resident of Lake Worth for more than 20 years. This is where I was born. And as I said, I was born in Lake Worth and I've resided there for over 20 years. I just recently moved to Boynton Beach. As you've heard from a majority of people here, a majority of people seem to oppose the new PPSO contract. And I would like you guys reevaluate it instead of passing it tonight.

Thanks. Madam Clerk.

Madam Mayor. I have about a dozen comments. Okay. Okay. First is from Donna Kerner, 1012 North J Street. I'm asking the commission to reject the proposed new contract with BBSO that could extend the agreement for 10 years and expand law enforcement collaboration with federal immigration authorities. The proposed agreement comes as many families in Lake Worth Beach already live with intense fear and immigration enforcement sweeps, detention and deportation. Public trust in local government has already been deeply eroded. Families are too afraid to call police for assistance, and this is impacting public safety. We need to draft terms focused on ensuring the safety of the entire community, including immigrants, not provisions that facilitate collaboration with federal immigration enforcement. I know the commission is eager to create a new park ranger division in the leisure services department and add five park rangers to enforce city ordinances and issue citations. My understanding is that they won't have arrest powers but can call PBSO if necessary. I'm extremely concerned about this and already foresee problems with transparency and accountability. What's the real motivation for these park rangers? To clean up the parks of people who are perceived to be homeless, have substance abuse or mental health issues? To chase out groups of people who are enjoying the parks? How about Latino young men playing soccer? What kind of training will these new park rangers have in deescalating potential conflicts. I can see park rangers not knowing how to handle a tense situation, overreact, call PBSO, and the situation could quickly spiral out of control, perhaps even violently. This will not improve public safety. Giovanna Dominguez Timor, 301 8th Avenue North. Police departments across this country and across our Florida do not have to enter into any agreement with ICE. It is a choice and it is not an easy choice to reject any agreement with this current version of ICE, as it has been shown to be nothing but a poorly trained crew tasked with focused stops and arrests that have repeatedly ignored every standard of proper police procedure that are clearly defined in our system of justice. mayors and commissions across this country have called out these abuses like a chorus like a chorus together this commission has instead vowed to write letters individually as residents while avoiding a joint statement citing disgust with what has been going on in palm beach county and especially inside lake worth beach to our friends and neighbors some of whom may be undocumented but still navigating their often very long way toward residency stand status and eventual citizenship It is appalling that we fail to protect them as they work toward that end and that we allow their children to suffer. Children who should not be sent to countries they have never known and systems that will disrupt their education and their dreams because their parents are still struggling through the paperwork that has now become a million times more difficult under this current administration. Paperwork that if filed will certainly speed deportations to places unknown and unfamiliar. We cannot know what it would be like to suddenly be sent to another part of the world without explanation. History is full of examples of people being snatched and sent to places unknown. Families separated, lives destroyed. Human history repeated over and over again. We should not play a part in this chapter. We should speak against it and we expect our commission to lead the way. Not individually in a letter you each may or may not write, but together on the record. No contract with PBSO. Tell them you will no longer play a part in this tragedy. Melissa Salerno, 510 South N Street. The definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over while expecting a different result. According to this definition, Lake Worth Beach city officials are absolutely certifiable. to enter into a 10-year agreement with PBSO in which we pay them even more money to harass, accost, survey, and kidnap our vulnerable community members when we know well and good through mountains of scientific data and research these abusive tactics and policies of dehumanization do not work. We also know what does work and we have a pathway and a plan to get there via the dream team. I want my money to be utilized for strategies that invest and uplift in my community rather than criminalize it. I don't want to financially support any law enforcement agency that acts as or with ICE. You all have an opportunity to leverage your position and demand an end to 287G agreements and ICE enforcement in Lake Worth Beach. Marco Salerno 1501 South Lakeside Drive. This commission's unwillingness to stand up and support all of their community members amidst these cruel and unrelenting ICE attacks and kidnappings tells me everything I need to know about who you all are and what you are willing to risk to stand up for what is right. And while I am taking the time to compose this comment demanding you all not enter into a contract with PBSO because they are actively engaging in irrevocable harms on our immigrant and impoverished communities daily, I have little faith in your capacity for courage and integrity. I understand that you all care more about keeping yourselves comfortable than really improving the lives of your constituents. In fact, in your own quiet complicity, you are also responsible for the havoc, terror, and pain in our community right now. Live with that fact you are all on the wrong side of history. Live with the fact that a large portion of your constituents don't trust nor respect you because of your impotence. You are the community you keep, and entering into a 10-year contract with BBSO will send a crystal clear message about who and what you are. Rachel McDermott, 316 Princeton Drive. I strongly oppose the proposed 10 year contract with PBSO before committing to the city to a long term agreement that increases costs by roughly sixty five hundred thousand dollars annually. The commission must address residents serious concerns about PBSO cooperation with immigration enforcement and the expansion of mass surveillance practices. These issues affect the safety, privacy, and trust of our entire community, and they deserve clear public accountability, not a rushed approval. I'm also concerned that most of this increase will fund five park rangers. PBSO should already be responsible for protecting our parks under its existing citywide policing contract, rather than requiring residents to pay substantially more for what may amount to expensive code enforcement. the commission should reject or delay this contract until it includes meaningful safeguards against surveillance and immigrant enforcement cooperation provides a transparent accounting of services and demonstrates why these additional positions are necessary susan mason 806 north m street i urge you not renew the contract with PBSO for public safety. Their cooperation with ICE is unacceptable. Some may argue the cooperation was coerced or forced by Florida, but no matter the cause, it is an abomination. Lake Worth is home to many migrants and has always welcomed them. The harassment and fear residents are living under is horrific. We must stand up and fight these Gestapo tactics. i'll pay more to have a police force that truly protects and serves i plead to your good natures do not renew the contract with the palm beach county sheriff's office Carly Cassano, 611 South Palmway. The commission should not approve this 10-year contract with PBSO, an addition of Park Rangers. We need to come up with a better solution that serves every one of us. Greater police presence is not the answer, especially not PBSO. Please listen to your neighbors. We are so worried about this. Thank you. Joseph Ramirez, 6 South J Street. Despite the fact that PBSO has said time and time again that they do not act as ICE unless it pertains to criminal activity, we have seen an increase in stops that seem targeted. From mid-2025 to present day, we have seen an increase in PBSO marked vehicles show up at scenes where ICE and Border Patrol officers either showed up after or were present before PBSO showed up. Unless the crime rate has gone drastically higher in the city of Lake Worth Beach, There has been innocent people arrested simply because of their undocumented status as a resident this concerns me because these people may have. may have been my neighbors and when the news of inhumane conditions assaults and dehumanization at these detention facilities this burden falls on each and every city that allows and enables these kidnappings to happen. This is a responsibility this commission has to take upon and should have been for months now. If a news story comes out about a Lake Worth Beach resident being harmed in one of these facilities, that blame falls on this city for allowing it. We as a community hold you accountable to make the right decision. Colangelo DiMartino, 4689 Sable Pine Circle, West Palm Beach. Despite PBSO's relentless attempts to deny they are actively participating with ICE, not only can this be confirmed false through basic observation, over 700 detainments participated in, but the public can also conclude they are targeting Lake Worth more than any other place in Palm Beach County. ICE has $113 billion appropriated to them. Why do they need to employ our sheriff's office to do their dirty work, and on top of that, then ask us for a raise? surely not to cover the cost of their immigration raids or security for the president. With how PBSO has utilized funds, there can be no coherent argument for a raise if their contract is to be renewed. If anything, the discussion should be a reduction minus 10 percent the savings could be used to support people pbso loves to take money for but does nothing to address like the unhoused population or those struggling from the economics of donald trump and ron desantis catherine colemeyer 503 first avenue south please do not vote for the proposed new contract with pbso firstly we are community in severe distress from illegal immigration policing by ice with the cooperation of PBSO. Many members of the community strongly oppose PBSO's role. There should be no renewal at this time for this reason alone. Secondly, the new contract includes an increase of $650,000 a year, which largely covers the new park ranger program. The original contract with PBSO stated that PBSO would provide community policing throughout the city, including a strong visible presence in all city parks. So why do we need a new program to cover this? The fact that the commission thought a park ranger program was necessary suggests PBSO has not been and is not fulfilling its contractual obligations. For the two above reasons, renewing the contract in this form at this time without any accountability from PBSO is strongly against the interests of our city. Siena Mayor's 429 Northeast Street. The PBSO already has a bloated budget as is. I don't want to see another penny going to an organization that is racially profiling, detaining, and deporting non-criminal beloved community members like Olga Perez. This is the last thing that our city should be investing in at this time. The next comment is from Nancy Udell, and it's long, so bear with me. I'm going to time it. Okay, Nancy Udell, 1131 North Palmway. Dear Mayor and Commissioners, recently you asked Kelly Smallbridge, CEO of the Business Development Board of the Palm Beaches, for advice on how to improve the downtown economy. Smallbridge's main takeaway, focus on making the downtown feel safe. I read the new police contract what seems to be missing is any mention of foot patrols by the police officers. When I was growing up, we always had police officers in our downtown we knew who they were and they knew who we were for almost $16 million a year and apparently 1772 deputies on our payroll. I would think that we could add something into the contract requiring that there be a couple of officers patrolling the downtown area on foot on a regular basis. Article 2.1 law enforcement patrol services subsection C provides for community policing high visibility patrol within the city. However, there is no mention of patrol and no mention of foot patrols or requirements for foot patrols. I don't believe I've ever seen a police officer walking around downtown. I do see them in their cars with their tinted windows rolled up, and I see them flying overhead in the helicopters, but I don't see them out walking and talking to the people, getting to know who is who downtown. In this same vein, it seems odd to me that we now have to spend another half a million dollars for park rangers. The definition of the city that the police are required to patrol should already include our parks. section 2.1 c of the proposed agreement clarifies that the city includes all city facilities and parks it seems that 72 deputies assigned to lake worth beach should be enough to patrol the parks in my opinion what we need from our police is a steady friendly regular non-vehicular presence downtown foot patrols not raiding churches or terrorizing our immigrant immigrant community uh Next is Rachel, I'm sorry, I'm going to mispronounce the name, Kajaviski, 1510 Northeast Street. I'm submitting a public comment against the law enforcement services agreement, Lisa, with Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office, PBSO. This is now what a day in Lake Worth Beach is like for us. We wake up in the morning to the sound of a helicopter, probably on another manhunt. When we step out to go anywhere, we can't avoid seeing someone pulled over, experience a traffic stop ourselves, or witness a local community member being shoved into a vehicle by a masked man taken away, maybe never to be seen again. This is what this contract actually represents. This contract demands high professionalism from PBSO, but instead we get lies, denials, lack of accountability, and paid thugs on the streets harassing our business owners, our houseless, our documented and undocumented community members. The accounts are so many, especially in this last year, that if you said you didn't experience or hear of this, you know you would be lying to yourself. Participating in and funding the ethnic cleansing of brown and black people in our community is not what I nor many of the people in this city have any interest in supporting. Instead of renewing this contract, funds need to be diverted into more social services. We need more support for the community members that live here now. Funding should go to efforts like the Dream Team, which more people here tonight will speak on in more depth and that you can find more about in the link in the comment. Lake Worth Beach City Commission should not turn a blind eye to what is happening in our city and signing this contract is doing just that. Nick Palugi, 825 North D Street. PBSO already receives an enormous amount of funding from our town and should be able to handle patrolling the park without an additional half a million dollars per year. I routinely see PBSO officers parked in the shade, scrolling on their phones or joyriding in the old helicopter for hours, burning up thousands of dollars of taxpayer money. I get it, it must be awesome flying around up there over beautiful Lake Worth Beach and the shining Atlantic Ocean. I'd be tempted to take an extra 20 to 30 helicopter laps at sunset if I had unlimited taxpayer money and no city had the guts to challenge or audit my spending. And the last comment on this item is Andrew Cavanaugh, 1321 North L Street. To add $500,000 to the massive budget that PBSO already has is irresponsible. And for it to be for five park rangers is laughable. Please, for once, get a good deal for this city. That's the last comment on this item. I'm sorry, Madam. Could you speak into your mic?

Thank you there's another comment I don't come on up. I don't I don't have an actual written one from you are great. Well, Smith, I think the five o'clock was the submission times maybe didn't make it in.

Oh sure, thank you. Thank you, I don't have one okay.

Oh, I get it. Yeah. Laura Devlin, 727 North J Street. Careful consideration should be given before granting a 10-year contract to PBSO. I feel too much emphasis has been on enforcing the 287G agreement and not meeting the needs of our residents. I'm out walking the city very often and almost never see an officer or a cruiser downtown or in my Mango Groves neighborhood. PBSO is making a lot of money on the 287G agreement, and our tax dollars are being spent apprehending our neighbors off the streets. With few exceptions, these arrests make no one safer because these neighbors are rarely the worst of the worst. Before another contract is given, there must be transparency about what PBSO is doing and how they plan to spend our tax dollars going forward. And just to expand my comments for a minute, I do see cruisers. They're pulling over people with traffic stops. I see cruisers down the street. My young neighbor friends, young boys, one day there were two cruisers. I called Mr. McCoy about this, Commissioner McCoy. Two cruisers, three police officers had three young boys sitting on the curb. I don't know what was going on, but that was not a good look. But they're not out in the neighborhood doing the foot patrols, doing the neighborhood patrols. Park Rangers, I saw something, I don't know if this is accurate or not, but I can't remember what I read sometimes where I read it, but that there is gonna be some function for them to assist with immigration enforcement. If that's the case, I would strongly object to that because I'm sure they don't have the training for that. The Guatemala Mining Center is doing an amazing job every single day. They provide evidence and data that was asked for by this commission by the mayor. That evidence and data should come from PPSO. We shouldn't expect a nonprofit organization to do the work that they should be doing. Finally, as referenced by Ms. Udell's comments, the city apparently has a reputation as being unsafe, especially downtown. I'm just wondering why we should be rewarding poor performance and results by a larger contract. Thank you.

May I request a five minute break?

Let's take a five minute break.

That's fine.

Comfort break. Jackson, fill out a card. Well, it should be on 60. It should be cooler in here. Oh.

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Senators.

Senators.

Yeah, they work a year, they run for a year.

That's horrible. Horrible.

What do we need for money? The energy.

Oh my God, it's horrible. And now it's like millions. So... You're what?

Yeah, right.

I want to say to him, I hope your eyes get better next year. Are you wearing sunglasses inside or are you just being cool?

I saw that.

Tomorrow I'll be in Vermont.

Thank God.

She's up on Monday.

madam clerk madam clerk i'm sorry madam mayor i was on the phone with the city manager but we are ready to reconvene

Welcome back, everybody. We have two more public comments before the PBSO puts on their presentation. Jackson Stahl and Yesenia Ramirez. I have to put my glasses on. Is that Garcia? Okay, great. Thank you. Yeah. Doesn't matter. Fight it out amongst yourself.

oh man these buttons uh jackson stall 211 north lakeside so um i am uh i am pro having pbso uh as our sheriff and policing system here in lake worth um i think from what i've gathered in various community um settings uh including last night where captain kern came out and gave a very professional and friendly um speech about what's going on and detailed details on how they're tackling um servicing our area um i think a big problem that we have is that there's a big misunderstanding on pbso's role as being sheriff and not ice they are not a federal agency and they are not operating as immigration enforcement and i think that has to be a i think that has to be That's a big misunderstanding. They are our local sheriff. They operate with inside Palm Beach County and they are servicing our area. And the data does present that crime is going trending in the right direction, which is down. They've been very helpful to me. I know numerous sheriff's officers in the downtown. They are friendly. They frequent the businesses. I see them. They are present. and you know i come from i grew up in a small town in new york my the guys i went to school with my one buddy was the his father was the captain of the police and my other buddy was the captain of the fire department we were all about community policing i actually think we are starting to look a bit like that um i know this might be unpopular to those who stand behind me but um i think it's really important to maintain that um and it's also really important to understand that Law enforcement covers a pretty wide range and PBSO is not ICE. Do they have to assist in certain areas when federal law enforcement calls upon them to lay a perimeter or block off a street? Yes, that's their duty. And if it falls within their, according to Captain Kern, if it falls within their policy, they're going to show up and do it. And if it doesn't fall within their policy, they're not going to do it. And if there's excessive force or someone's being beaten and it is absolutely outside the line of what a professional law enforcement officer would do, they're gonna step in and enforce the law. He was pretty clear on that. And I thought that those are all things we gotta keep in mind. Yeah. Thank you.

Now, Yesenia, Ms. Ramirez Garcia.

Hi, everyone. I hope everyone's having a great night. I'm coming on stage to ask all of you if you could all consider the funds you're about to speak. Yes, I never see you add to South HD. So I'm coming here tonight to speak in front of all of you. If you could all reconsider the funds you're about to sign over to PBS. Oh, one of you mentioned Mr. Anthony or yes, Mr. Anthony, that signing the contract wouldn't change section 287. And we understand that. However, we need officers to stop crime, not to arrest innocent individuals who need your help. Agree or disagree, Mayor Madami of New York City is doing a great job. Let him be a great example of what a mayor is supposed to be. Once again, do good. Don't ignore the community. And if you all do, Judgment Day is coming. Thank you.

Thank you. Okay, the DBSO has a presentation they'd like to make. Oh, we don't have that.

Yeah. Okay, good evening, Mayor.

Yeah, I didn't think it was going to be the best plan.

okay good evening mayor vice mayor all of the commissioners here and the city manager tonight we're going to do a presentation on the pbso park rangers integration first of all we're going to have five pbso park rangers services

the annual cost excuse me captain can you just before you go into this for the people who have not been paying attention and keeping up yes that just give the backstory that we actually created a park ranger program and then the county dumped the park rangers and that's how pbso got involved we didn't seek pbso to do this this is a county-wide program yes some backstory just for everybody who's been saying something okay so the palm beach county park rangers which was originally on the park

under Palm Beach County, they integrated with Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office. In that process, I know that the city of Lateworth Beach was looking for part rangers as well, a program. So we stated to you all, hey, since you're already thinking about doing this program, we're already taking over the county program. Do you want to be a part of that? So that's where this evolved from. And now we're here. and we're ready to provide a great service for you, for the citizens. So there's gonna be five PBSO Park Rangers dedicated to city parks. Annual cost will be $500,000. The hours of operation will be 1130 a.m. to 10 o'clock p.m. Can somebody do the slide show? I guess I'll have to do it.

Is that Monday through Friday? It doesn't say that clearly in the contract.

It will be Sunday to Wednesday, and then Wednesday to Saturday, so seven-day coverage.

Why wouldn't we just say seven days?

Well, because we have it broken up in between. Yes. Yes. Yes. And then we have a fifth ranger will be assigned to one rotation. And well, when feasible, adjust their schedule to cover the park ranger leave time because other rangers are going to need time off. So this other range will be a fill in. So he would just be on one of the one of the two shifts. Yep, a floater.

1130 a.m. to 10 o'clock p.m. Would it be possible to have it be a split shift?

Split shift, meaning?

Morning.

And then come back later?

And come back later.

Typically, we don't do that, no. No, we normally don't split the shifts. Yeah, we just do straight through. Okay. Okay, hours of operation may be adjusted with city input to meet changing needs. So that's open. We're going to focus on park safety, ordinance compliance, parking enforcement, education, and public service. Visible, flexible park patrol. So we're going to have vehicle patrol for mobility, coverage, and rapid response between parks. Bicycle patrol for high visibility, access to trails, paths, waterfront areas, and special events. Float patrol to increase ranger interaction with residents, visitors, and park users. Rangers will patrol each pavilion restroom areas while on duty. Pavilion restrooms will be unlocked while rangers are on duty and secured at the conclusion of the shift. Proactive presence designed to deter violations and address issues before they escalate. Enforcement and training, parking enforcement within city parks and designated areas. Education and voluntary compliance as the preferred first response when appropriate. City Park ordinance enforcement upon completion of FACE training, which stands for the Florida Association of Code Enforcement. FACE training targeted for completion within the first six months. Standardized PBSO training, supervision, reporting, and professional expectations. What is the PBSO advantage? Rangers remain non-sworn personnel with a park focus mission. Secondly, direct connection to PBSO dispatch, supervisors, road patrol, and emergency response. They will have immediate access to sworn deputies when circumstances require law enforcement authority. They will also have department issue cell phones, which will allow city staff to contact on-duty rangers directly with park concerns. They will have interoperability and coordinated communications during incidents. Access to PBSO technology and each reporting system, training, equipment, and operational support. Safety, accountability, and support. You're going to get a professional reporting and photographic documentation through PBSO systems, creating a reliable record to assist with claims and civil litigation. CJIS access and vehicle tag queries when operationally appropriate.

Could you say what CJIS is?

CJIS is the Criminal Justice Information System, which is ran by FDLA and FBI. You're going to have department-issued communication and field equipment. You're going to have GPS-enabled vehicles and real-time location awareness to improve ranger safety and accountability. You're going to have the ability to coordinate with specialized PBSO resources for major incidents or special events. Rangers will be CPR-certified and equipped with AEDs to provide immediate assistance during medical emergencies. What the City of Lake Worth Beach gains? You gain five dedicated PBSO park rangers. Annual program cost is $500,000 per year. Our patrol methods are going to be vehicle, bicycle, and foot. Six months target for face training and ordinance enforcement. Last and most important, you're going to have a visible park presence backed by the resources of the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office.

I have a couple questions. Sure. I see your lights.

I just have some basic questions.

When you talk about education, you know, then having a role with education, what are you talking about?

Okay, let's say, for example, if someone was in the park and they were smoking a cigarette, we can just do, if we wanted to, we could just do immediate enforcement, which is write them a citation for it. But instead, we're probably educating them, starting that process off. Hey, I don't know if you know it, but you're not allowed to smoke in the parks. You're not allowed to have a dog off the thing.

So it's a witness. They don't buy it.

Exactly.

And they do not have arrest powers, correct?

No, they do not.

Ordinance enforcement. We talk about code enforcement, the FACE training.

Yes.

Explain that a little bit, if you would.

Code enforcement, they were well, they will ultimately have the same powers of code enforcement to be able to enforce certain ordinances. Within the city.

Okay, but they're not going to be doing code enforcement, like, looking at houses.

No, no, no, they're not only related to the park activities only.

When we talk about parks or whichever the cultural process as well.

Yes. Any designated city park. I think you all gave us a list. I don't know how many parks you gave us, but any designated park within the city. I believe there's a list that you gave us.

Great. A couple of concerns that people have spoken about is an apparent lack of foot patrol downtown. Can you address that?

Okay. When it comes to the deputies.

Well, no, when it comes to the deputies.

Okay, well, I'm being informed by each deputy that they are doing foot patrols, so I'm getting mixed information.

Is there no way to follow that?

Yes, there is a way, but all of our deputies, I can assure you this, they know that they need to be doing foot patrols, especially downtown.

We don't see them. I got the question.

one i think that that is it's not just a proceed problem i think that is something that really could be stepped up is the foot patrol because we do have you know downtown safety and people coming to eden and feel safe and there are a couple characters downtown that are a little scary so i'm speaking for myself and i would hope the commission um that the visibility of the downtown walking around the cop that you know yes that sort of thing is important yes we're a small town essentially and i would like to see a commitment to more of that downtown walking around um things so that people know oh that's the guy yeah we know him no problem we can build a certain relationship with them like when there's a crazy guy that's pretty aggressive if they know that there's a police officer president yes that would be helpful so that's speaking for myself I think that would be important no problem um And I would like you to, two things. I would like you to, you know, we get some complaints that there's not enough police. We get some complaints that there's too many. So I don't know how you deal with that. I would like two things. I would like you just briefly, because it's already 8 o'clock. It's true, isn't it, that PBSO has a homeless outreach, a very active homeless outreach?

Yes, we do. We have two.

Two officers?

Two designated officers at this time. Yes, homeless intervention team. We have two homeless intervention team deputies. OK. Full time.

Will the park rangers be able to do the same kind of thing? If there's somebody in a park or downtown that obviously needs help, will they be able to address that with the homeless group? Sorry.

What we would do is, yeah, what they would have to do is contact deputies for that. But if they are violating a ordinance, then yes, they can act on that. Those type of things they can do.

but they're essentially another pair eyes and ears for the deputies yes like here's a problem yes um but when it comes to crimes they have to notify the deputy no no i guess anything i mean even the whole thing if they see a person that's in distress i'm homeless they they don't deal with it they have acts i think one of the important things to remember on this is that they have very good access to the deputy yes yes

We're on the same radio channel, which is even better, faster response. We hear them in real time, no delay. They pick up the radio and they call.

And we've heard a lot about the interaction of the PBSO with the immigration enforcement. Yes. And I think we need to address that. I would like you to tell and, you know, From your perspective, from the PBSO perspective, what is your role? When do you get involved, number one? And if someone is just pulled over on a traffic stop, do they inquire into their immigration status?

Okay. So to clarify this, PBSO is statutorily obligated to assist our partner law enforcement agencies if and when we're called upon to provide assistance. but we will not conduct immigration sweeps at schools at workplaces and houses of worship and furthermore we do not racial profile that is not allowed it's not tolerated it's a violation of policy so if someone is put over for a traffic stop and they could be let's just say you know a span right um the immigration status is not inquired about As we have done since I've been in law enforcement for almost 30 years, if we pull somebody over and they have an immigration issue, then we usually make a phone call. But right now, what we have in place, we have individuals who are trained. We call them, we have a personal immigration issues. Those trained deputies come out and they meet with that individual and they take it from there. But it's not... profiling we're not driving around saying oh I see this person here let's stop them because we really have immigration issues we're not doing that we're not allowed to do that but a routine traffic stop we don't know what we're coming across no one knows you don't know if you come across a drug trafficker you know if you're coming across somebody with a warrant you know if you're coming across somebody who's armed we have no clue what we're getting when we stop them

So my next question is, is this pretty much procedure when you put someone over on a traffic stop to run their name for warrants?

It's standard to run their name through our system with their driver license or with their name if they provide it. That's the standard thing we do on every traffic stop. We run their tag. We give the location and we give a description of the vehicle. And we also run their driver license. Or if they don't have a driver license, we ask them, what is your name? We are required to do that because, well, if the person is driving a vehicle and they shouldn't be, that's just required. That's standard for officer safety reasons, too.

But is it fair to say that is it a true statement that when you pull someone over, you don't the PBS? So I don't care. Florida, you know, FL and ICE people, which are a completely different animal, which is terrible. You know, any unidentified masked law enforcement person, my husband's a retired ATF agent, he just thinks they're cowards. And that's the kindest word. But do you, I just want to make it clear, and maybe if you can, you know, when you pull someone over, you don't check their immigration status. I do. I'm asking him a question.

we run them we run them like everybody through our fcic and ncic database we run them like any like each individual that's all we do thank you appreciate it no problem mr mcboy oh i'm sorry ma'am

You talking about everything? No, I thought we were just doing park rangers.

Well, we're talking about the- Well, I have another- You got more?

Okay.

I mean, we'll have another presentation where you can go ahead and ask questions.

I was going to ask questions about park rangers specifically. so thank you for bringing this forward no problem i did run on park rangers um for reelection i believe that we need to keep our parks safe i believe that children should be able to play in a park and be safe i like park rangers when i walk at john prince park and i'm by myself i like seeing a park ranger there i think that when people look at moving into a community one of the first things they looked at besides schools are the safety we i can bring up many many emails of complaints from South Bryant Park of dogs off leashes and the residents that are tormented by it. I can bring up many incidents at Howard Park where there are parks that are advertised parties that are advertised on social media and they bring in food trucks and DJs. And I get calls from from my community at nine o'clock at night on a Sunday that says there's 500 people at Howard Park. So I'm happy for park rangers. And feel free to do public records requests on any of this because it's emails that come from the constituents that pay taxes in the city. The people actually who live here. Will they have body cameras? Has that been worked out?

They will not have body.

Can you talk in the mic?

They will not have body cameras as of now. But in the future, they could. But at this current time, they will not. None of the park rangers will have them at this time.

You know, I ran on park. I ran on body cameras. I'm a full supporter of them for the public safety as well as the safety of officers, especially in parks. I don't like them not having them because then it comes to he said, she said. And I think that before this rolls out in my city. I want body cameras on everybody who's patrolling our streets. Our parks have hidden areas. And if anything were to happen in any situation, it would come on us that we didn't take that step. So I know that you guys have the infrastructure in place. And that's mandatory for Mayfield Park Rangers when they roll out the body cameras 100%. I want to thank you for AED and CPR certifications. Will they carry Narcan?

Well, yes, we all carry Narcan.

Can we get that written in there that they will be Narcan trained?

I will look into that and I will ask that question. I will look into that and I'm sure that could probably be done.

Okay. You had mentioned bicycles. I think I told you on the break that bicycles were not on page 20 under transportation. It says patrolling parks via ranger vehicle, golf cart, or on high foot. I would like to see bikes added to that. I would also like to see on page... 19 um there's no listing of open alcohol containers or no smoking ban um i would like that to be listed out the uniforms will be pbso well are they going to be different shade of green so people can are they going to be brown i'm serious are they going to be how would somebody know that they're not an officer that they're a ranger

will be clear the uniforms will be different from the regular deputy uniform it will be a different shade it will be a different shade of color yes you will be able to tell that this is a park ranger and not a deputy sheriff the cars will say park ranger yes yes absolutely um somebody one of the community members have brought up the community observation program

And I've been touting that for years. And guess what? We can't get any volunteers. We have paid for training. We have paid for extra cars. I have asked people in Murray Hills, Rolo, every neighborhood and neighborhood association council meetings for years. It's here. Sign up. Nobody signs up to do that because it can be dangerous. So if you want to be. a community observation patrol get with pbso we have plenty of cars and the training is included and it's still in working in other cities because i do see the cars in some of the fancier neighborhoods and you can tell that those people live in that neighborhood that's why they're patrolling it um one more thing i just want to say in regards to the the interaction almost every officer that's here in the city mahoney lonnie our streets teams the people who are in the community that they serve they know them and that's what i think this park ranger is going to do is going to take those and i'll use those two deputies because they're really in the schools and interacting on the neighborhood associations and going to community meetings at whispering palms i think that the park rangers in in two or three years from now people are going to love the fact that they know their park ranger They're going to love the fact that they're feeding squirrels and they're talking to the park ranger. I think that it's important. I feed squirrels. Yes, we have feed squirrels. I think that it's important that this program is seen as a community connection, not as we're trying to be heavy handed, but it's really to make it a more pleasurable experience for everybody. and to provide the resources that are available that we do have in the city we have more non-for-profits in the city and i think the pbso is going to help connect them so i'm very excited those are the things that i would like to see changed in the language under the contract for park rangers and spelled out especially the body cameras thank you mr mcvoy

Yeah, and I'm going to want to have comments separately for the PBSO contract in general and for the park rangers. And I do want to point out that I have heard the suggestion that we keep our comments short because we have a long meeting, we have a lot of stuff on it. I want to point out that this is our biggest contract of the city, bar none. It's $14 or $15 million. And I think anyone who says, well, let's keep your comments short is not being fair to the community. So I don't want to hear any interruptions in that way. On the park ranger program, I think it is really important to think about opportunity costs. Let me step back one before that. Who in here likes to be a beta tester of new stuff?

We're not asking the public.

Can you not interrupt, please?

Yes, I can. OK, please.

No, I can ask whatever question I want and I can speak as I want. I'm elected to represent and I do not want interruptions. Who wants to be a beta tester of stuff? Most people don't. They say, you know what? I'll let a couple of people. Miss Fisher would like to be good. I will keep that in mind when we need some help. Most people do not want to. So you heard from Captain Karn that the way the park ranger stuff landed in PBSO is that the county commissioners apparently or staff or somebody said, you know what, why don't we stop doing that as Parks and Rec? Why don't we move that over to the PBSO? That's the beta testing part. Nobody has run that for two or three years to see how well does that work? How well does the community like having folks that look like police officers wandering around in their parks? Does that give them a warm and fuzzy feeling, a welcoming feeling? i don't know we have not seen pictures of what these uniforms were we're being asserted right now as we're ready to vote a half million dollars onto this we're being told yeah the uniforms will be a little different i can tell you that most people in this community don't distinguish between fhp florida highway patrol ice doesn't help that they're undercover some of the time and pbso it's all cops And there's no way, unless you're going to put them in pink uniforms or something rather clearly different, that people are going to distinguish them from cops. Here's my thing that I want my fellow commissioners to think about. Opportunity costs. When you spend half a million dollars on one thing, you don't spend half a million dollars on something else. And I've heard a few people on this commission mention that, you know what, there's something on the ballot in November that might put a big dent in our budget. So how smart is it to take on a half million dollar cost as a beta testing project to see if it's a good idea to have PBSO be park rangers? And by the way, that free environmental education that was talked about, that was in the list of things that these officers would do, yeah, I'm perfectly down with doing the free environmental education. And I'm not wearing a PBSO outfit. So I have a very big problem with how this is going to work. How many of these officers will be on at any given time? At any given time. How many?

Three.

Yes. Hold on, let me see, because one of those days is a common day. So it should be Wednesday. No, you know what, no. Wednesday is a common day, so it'll be five people on Wednesday. That's a common day for all of them.

So correction five will put the word out that all the bad guys should go to the park on Wednesday because it'll be it'll be well looked out for that day. I am just very skeptical of, we got a lot of parks. You've got five people. They're gonna be on foot some of the time, on bicycle some of the time, in the car. How that's all gonna work, we'll see. But how are they gonna get from one place to another? How are people gonna figure out that, hey, I better not do anything bad in this park because they might be here, but they might be there. I think we heard a lot from the community That if there's a concern about homelessness, about folks that have some mental health issues, folks that need some other things, we had a proposal. We even had money available. We had some members of this commission who said, oh, it's not good to protest about that because we're ready to spend money on things like that. And then they voted zero dollars for it. A dream team idea was already floated. It was with mental health professionals, social work professionals, people not code officer training.

So part of the goal of this park ranger thing is to make the users of the parks feel more welcome.

Now, how many of you feel really warm and fuzzy when a code officer shows up on your block? It's just that this is not well thought out. That half a million dollars could be spent to do a lot more good things, prevent some of the problems, help provide some services, maybe expand the hit team if it looks like we need it. I haven't heard anything from PBSO saying we need it. But this does not make sense. And a half a million dollars is a pretty big chunk.

Thank you. Okay, thank you, thank you for your presentation.

No problem. a couple of questions. So as it is a newer program, would it be fair to say that as we go through it and will there be like reports back to us or key performance indicators or, some data that you can bring back and tell us exactly, you know, what kinds of situations and encounters the park rangers are having, what are they seeing, and then give us the opportunity to possibly make some changes, whether it's with the hours or the days or, you know, I mean, if we find that we may need some early morning, we could maybe make Monday and Friday 6 a.m to 4 in the afternoon you know what i mean something where it's not just every day from 10 11 30 to 10. yes you know what i'm saying excuse me a lot of people who use the parks in the morning they go to they go they want to watch the sunrise they want to take their morning walks when it's not too hot and i really think it's important that we do have um ranger presence then No problem. So I don't know how that would work out, but I think as a community, that would serve us more, in my opinion, than going all the way to 10 at night. But it may be different versus... in certain parks versus other parks so we might as what i'm saying is if you come back with data we can say okay well we're finding a uh a lot of issues in x park in the afternoons and we're finding a lot of encounters at x park in the morning but we won't know about the morning because we're not there yeah so maybe even to start you could have at least one or two days where it's morning okay you know i mean i don't know how you guys feel about that but i think that

Well, the operation may be adjusted with city input.

Exactly. So I'm going to get city input. The other thing is I do think we should have in here some KPIs. When are you reporting back? Are you reporting back monthly? Are you reporting back quarterly? Are you going to let us know what is happening? I mean, this is a great list of what you guys are going to do, and I agree with that. But I think we need to have a little bit more Concrete performance indicators that we're going to be reported back to us. Does that make sense?

Yes. Okay.

And the other thing is, as far as being a beta test, this. All the other programs we were discussing was a pilot program anyway. So this could be considered a pilot program, right?

Well.

He's thinking if you're.

We're going to provide a great service for you, but obviously it's the city. You have the opportunity to decide whether or not, if you want the park range, if you want to continue with them, or if you don't. But what I can assure you is that we will provide you data similar to what I did with the homeless intervention team, right? Weekly basis, however, you want it, you want a monthly, we can give you the data. We will keep statistics.

Okay. And we have an analyst for that that I think is important is that if. if the park rangers are interacting with people who are in need of mental health services, they're in need of housing, that they are referred to those.

Homeless intervention team.

Homeless intervention team, and then, or, and, or to,

A deputy who's trained in mental health, CIT, we have those deputies.

Exactly. Because as their code officers, they're not going on and they're not looking at houses. We're asking them to be code certified so that they can cite for our ordinances. That's the purpose of the code certification, correct? Yes. So that they can cite trespass, they can cite cigarettes, they can cite container. Yes. If it's something that is... Because I know right now, sometimes when you see the deputy walk up to an open container situation, they just have them pour it out. And I've seen that a number of times. It doesn't make me happy, but at least they're not condoning it per se. But would there be, what happens with open containers? Is that an ordinance thing? Is that an arrestable offense? How does that work?

They will have to, they will have to issue them a citation, but if it's going to be a restful and since we're taking to the Palm Beach kind of jail, because they don't have identification, a deputy will have to do that.

Okay. But they can be cited for an open.

Yes.

Okay. And then that makes me happy because I'm seeing a lot of that happening at the cultural Plaza at night. And so deputies give a citation.

Yes, they can give what's called an NTA notice to appear in court. Yes, it's ultimately the same thing. It's just our form. It's called an NTA notice to appear.

When you give your monthly or quarterly reports, could you talk to us a little bit more about the deputy citations as well? Because I know that there's been issues downtown with open containers and drunken disorderlies, and we're not hearing that when you're giving reports.

Okay.

That would be helpful. That is on the other side of the contract.

And we do a lot of open container arrests.

a lot we do okay but you but i'll but i'll bring it up yes the high some properties that together i i would like some some numbers when it comes to quality of life crimes as well problem yes um and did you do connect to service be more specific three at a time dream team i think i've got my oh the only other thing and i and i looked in here if you look at um um i oh i agree with commissioner maliga we they do need to have the cameras and i think for their own protection um i'm sure that you guys got new ones and you have some old ones let them wear those but i really think they should yeah really okay so that would be something that i will bring back

Sorry, that will be something that I will bring back to my command and then we'll see how we're going to address that. Okay.

I would bring it back to the command under the guise of safety of the officers. Okay.

Because I think that's- That we're sort of insisting on.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah, we're not going to sign without it because I think it's important. It's important to document these situations so that, you know, one of the things you had said regarding the sheriff's organization being pulled in for perimeter or anything during any... other agency operations you had said that oh when they were the perimeter and we have cameras and i think that that is important to have that um documentation of the interactions especially when it comes to increasing the relationship and the trust between the pbso and the citizens of lake worth beach yes So, um, that's it for me. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Um, thank you, madam mayor. And thank you captain for being here. Um, I just wanted to say in, in general, This is a big contract. This is a major step. We did ask you guys to come back with a clean contract, which is why we're not just looking at small amendments. We're looking at the whole thing. Based on the amount of feedback and so on that I think has to go into this, I'm not prepared to give it a yes vote or no vote tonight. I feel the best course of action would be to just give staff direction. And so as such, just to quickly go down some of the things that I heard, um i am in complete agreement with commissioner maliga and may about body cameras um i feel body cameras are an absolute necessity um i am concerned about morning coverage um having personally probably made over 100 calls for service in the morning hours um in in bryant park in snook island um oftentimes what what we see is that the pattern gets recognized and as soon as law enforcement leaves um people come back um immediately thereafter um and then they're there to the early morning um so i don't know the exact solution to that i'm sure you guys will figure that out between your deputies and and patrols but um certainly would be in favor of a schedule that is it is not as predictable, and I understand that presents personnel issues and challenges. But we definitely need early morning coverage before the sun comes up, because unfortunately, with some individuals who refuse services, who are hostile towards the hit team when they do offer them services, they're coming in there after um and then staying to just before um so i think we we do need that um whether it's the park rangers doing it or or just continuing with the deputies i don't know um something that was brought up in public comment but i did want to touch upon it on pages 18 19 and 21 there's a lot of um things mentioned about education and and so forth i personally would be in favor of the education to be much limited towards compliance issues um so for example advising on reef dive sites and so on to me that's more like a national park ranger kind of thing like educating on the wildlife and and all of those kind of items that's not something i'm interested in getting out of this particular program um so you know page 18 the environmental stewardship page 19 the last six bullets there page 21 assisted with guided nature walks and and and so on um That's not something I'm looking for out of PVSO in this particular program at this time. I am in full agreement that they should be Narcan trained. I do know that our EMS have changed their opinion on the usage of Narcan, where they're not going out and using it right away, because in some cases it can be more damaging than others. But I do think they should be Narcan trained. I am in full agreement of having the bike transportation added to the agreement. That way it's in black and white. On the alcohol and smoking, I am in favor of stronger enforcement. I do know that if somebody is not a Palm Beach County resident, they can be detained and searched. I would be in favor of moving back to that practice. There's a lot of drug activity that goes on in association with the open container. And I know just pouring it out doesn't help. I've reported several incidences of where I personally witnessed people with hard drugs and alcohol, and the officer had them poured out and didn't make an arrest. Because by the time the officer got there, the hard drugs and so on were in their backpack. So they talk to them, they move them on. So I want to make sure that It is clear that we're serious about these quality of life ordinances, and we want enforcement of them to clean up that activity, especially in the downtown. I know it's a big problem, but it's also a big problem in Bryant Park. And I'm sure it is in some of the other parks, like the Futsal Court and in the park down on Wingfield, where myself, public services assistant director, filled up three 45 gallon garbage bags full of beer cans at one park and they weren't ancient beer cans they were all fairly new um so very serious about that um in terms of being a beta test program yeah that's what it's called implementing a new program it's a new program whether it's working with pbso or we're hiring our own officers it's going to be a new program there are no other law enforcement agencies i've checked that offer the park ranger services in palm beach county I asked Boynton Beach because they have their own police department and they said, sure, we might be able to assist with some of your policing needs. We'll need anywhere from two to three years to staff up and be ready for that. But if you guys want to talk, we're all ears. So, of course, it's going to be a new program. And I do understand and I think our community understands it's going to be a little bit of a learning process and a give and take. And that's why I appreciate in the contract you specifically call that out, that this is amendable, right? On the contract itself, it's a 10-year contract. We have 180 day out, which essentially means if we're not satisfied with the services, we can cancel. And in as little as 180 days, we can move on to a new solution. Also, we can amend the contract at will. Meaning if we're not satisfied with the services or the community isn't, we can get together as a team and I can vouch. But when I was elected, I spent a lot of time with Captain Karn and you were a new captain at the time. And we worked with our attorneys and we worked with the lieutenant and so on. And we resolved a large number of issues that we were having in my district simply by communicating and working together. And I appreciate that. I am in support of making sure we have a clearly distinct uniform for the park rangers i do think that's important um i do support having um kpis receiving the reporting and every time i've asked for reports i've always received great reports i'm excited that you're going to go through your your second presentation because these are those are some great kpis that we're going to see there um i do think it needs to be called out that part of their responsibility is to refer to the cit and hit teams um for individuals who need those services um and then lastly is is the i don't know what to call it um small drugs petty drugs kind of stuff um i know our state's attorney your misdemeanor yeah isn't a fan of prosecuting that i don't think that's a reason for our offers to officers to stop citing for it and i have experienced that um and so you know in yes I was the one who made the report, but thank you. There was an individual who had copious amounts of who was smoking in his car, and they just gave him a talking to. It worked. He stopped doing it, but would have appreciated a citation. um so those those are my ass i think it's in line with my colleagues on the park ranger program and um you know i i would consent to giving this direction to staff and and seeing what you guys can work and come back with and and thank you for for this okay all right mr boy yeah and then i think

And we'll do a cohesive. We're still in time. I have the purpose of time here. And we'll present a pretty cohesive agreed list to the chair. I just want to point out a couple of things.

I just want to point out a couple of things before we leave the ranger topic and move on to the overall contract. Some of these are related. And if I understood correctly, what I was hearing in the way of sort of loose consensus from my colleagues is we don't want to vote yes, yay, or nay on the park ranger contract right now. We still have some more things to iron out as to exactly what is in the contract, what isn't in the contract. is that correct and the body camera thing has to is a few things yeah a few things um okay i have a question and they i've mentioned this many times over the last several years the narcotics anonymous groups or one or another of them maybe several i don't know but at least one of them meets in bryant park has for a long time they usually meet near the band show um i personally have not dealt with addiction so i don't know but i've been close enough to it to have a pretty good idea that addiction's a big deal especially drugs yes and it makes a lot of sense to me to have groups like an na group meeting trying to support each other and helping them get more sober It also makes a whole lot of sense to me that some of those folks might be a little stressed out. And once in a while during a meeting or after a meeting or before, they might step aside and smoke a cigarette. And I think in the context of what they're trying to do and the overall good, I do not, although I hate secondhand smoke, I do not begrudge them that cigarette in any way, shape or form. What are your park rangers going to do? Are they going to educate them and say, hey, folks from the NA group, we hear you're here to try to make things better, but we just need to educate you that you can't be smoking? Or are you going to have some direction from the commission that maybe we need to think about the greater good sometimes and not turn into an enforcement factory? How are you going to deal with that? Okay.

So that's a hypothetical question.

No, it's not hypothetical. It happens now. That group meets regularly and they do smoke. It's not hypothetical.

We already stated that we would utilize the education process first, warning them, hey, you can't smoke in the park, according to City of Lake Worth ordinance number such and such. If they comply, they stop, then that's it. But I can't say that this is going to be something that's going to go on for years. Probably not, because once everybody's aware that we have park rangers and they're here to enforce the ordinances, then everyone has to comply. Just as if with the deputies, the same thing. Deputies do enforce open containers. I don't know about the isolated incidents, but in the future, please make me aware of that. And then we'll go from there. But go ahead, sir.

So what you're saying is, is anybody who comes to an N.A. meeting is going to be told they might get told once, say you can't smoke, they might be told twice, you can't smoke. And then they start getting, I don't know what citations arrested, thrown in jail.

Not thrown in jail unless they unless they resist or something like that, you know, if escalates to something else.

okay so i just want to be clear to my colleagues that i think that is a stupid policy and i think it is not humane like i say i hate secondhand smoke do i want to see kids smoking no not particularly do i want to see people taking an effort through an n a group meeting in a place that works for them meeting in a part of the park doesn't cause any harm to anybody else if you don't want the secondhand smoke you don't have to stand right next to them you can walk a little bit away i think we want to be a community that supports that and begrudging them smoking until now you're going to get told you can't do this and now you're going to get you know you're going to escalate to the next thing makes no sense to me i also want to point out And we'll get into it more with talking about the contract itself. But because we are talking about making park rangers with a rather ill-defined set of what they're responsible for, part of PBSO, remember, PBSO, what's the S? Sheriff's. Under Florida law, we cannot even ask about the budget. And we certainly can't see the budget. That's Florida law. You're not allowed to. It's off limits. So 500, half a million dollars of our money, we can't even see what they're doing with it. Request for information. You heard what Captain Karn, who is a decent individual and I think wants to do the right thing. I've interacted with him quite a bit. I believe that. What is his response to things? I'm going to have to go back and check with headquarters. We are contracting with somebody who is very... not somebody but with an organization that doesn't operate like a normal contractor which is yes sir you got an information crest we'll get that to you you want something done a different way yes we'll do that that's what a contractor to a municipality does that's not what pbso does miss mulligan um i actually think that the vice mayor had her light on first

I'm sorry, Madam Mayor. I just want to let you know there's four minutes and 54 seconds left.

Okay. Ms. Lee, you want to talk? No, I'm going to give it to the vice mayor. She's passing. So as somebody whose sister is in recovery, both sister-in-laws, half my staff and myself have been through recovery. Part of recovery is learning to obey by the rules. So I hate to tell you, but I am not concerned about that. I brought the no smoking ban forward years ago because I'm concerned about everybody's health, not just certain individuals. And I'm also concerned about the environment. And I'm concerned about the fact that we have animals, birds, squirrels, that unfortunately, if these were good people who put cigarette butts in a cigarette container, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. Our staff shouldn't have to pick up piles of cigarette butts. So I understand and I appreciate where you think you're coming from, but I don't think that that's gonna be an issue.

and i think we should move on thank you mr segwitch we have another commitment yep uh two things i completely concur with commissioner malega i have family and that grew up in that environment and personal responsibility is one of the primary pillars following the rules and you said it yourself mr mcgoy you don't have experience in it and that's okay now you know so um can we make a motion to not go to workshop because we're gonna hit the time

I don't think that we're going to the next part of it though, right?

Or treat the next part as separate?

I think that.

I would like to make a motion to treat the next segment of this as separate and not go to workshop.

Okay. Second. All in favor? Aye. Okay. Madam Clerk, did you get that?

Yes, Madam Mayor. So once we get to the next, so you have three minutes and 45 seconds for this part, and then I'll restart the 30 minutes for the next part.

Yeah, I think we could stop now and start over. Okay, so let's start on a new half hour.

Okay, but we have another presentation.

Yes, please. And keep your mic.

And this will be short, right to the point. so looking at our calls for services from january the first 26 to july 30 2026 so far we've taken 35 176 calls for services that's where we are right now now we're going to go back to the original lake worth pd police department which was in 2007 one year before we did the contract with pbso So if you look at the robberies, there was 300 robberies in 2007. If you look at current statistics right now, 79 robberies in 2025. Currently for this year, we're at 51 for 2026. We're down from last year. Robberies have decreased since the merger by 73.67%. Next category, we want to talk about burglaries. 2007, there were 779 burglaries with Lateworth PD. In 2025, Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office had 115 burglaries. Currently, we're at 84 in 2026. Burglaries are down 85.24% since the merger. Next category, homicides. In 2007, Lateworth Beach PD had 11 homicides. Last year, 2025, we had six. Currently, for 2026, we have zero. Homicides down from 2007 to 2025 by 45.45% since the merger. Next category is call for services. 2007. Lake Worth PD had 48,416 calls for services. Last year, we had 64,516. We're currently at 37,762 for 2026. So next category is total index offenses. Post-merger have declined by 56.91%. Index total crimes include murder, forcible sex offenses, robbery, aggravated assault, battery, larceny, and vehicle theft. As you look at the chart, you see we've been on a steady decline. 2022 was one of our best years. Currently, we're on track to either equal that or be close to that, which will probably be one of the best years in 20 years here in the city of Lake Worth Beach. So another category, 2007 Lake Worth PD, they had 96 sworn law enforcement officers. PBSO District 14 currently, we have 82 sworn law enforcement officers. So with that being said, If you want to have a performance metric, this lays it out. The Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office under the leadership of Rick Bradshaw, Sheriff Bradshaw, we provide a professional service. We care about the community. We stated that over and over again. We have dedicated a lot of resources to the city because we want to make it better. And we want to work along with the city and the citizens in doing so. but I'm just laying those numbers out to let you know that we're going to provide you the best service and continue to give you the best service. We are one of the best agencies, not only in Palm Beach County, but in the state of Florida. So I'm listening to your concerns and I'm taking all this input in and we're going to do what we can do to do better because we can do better, right? Everybody has room for growth.

Thank you. I was here a long time, and I remember the days of the Lake Worth Police Department and whatever shortcomings they may have had. One of the big shortcomings was a young police officer would come into Lake Worth Police Department, and they would work here for three or four or five years, and then they would go to the sheriff's office. So we were just a training ground in the county.

That's just one of the reasons that I and I support the sheriff's office.

So we have a few lights on. I don't think Mr. Boyd, Mr. Zedrich is first. OK, Mr. Zedrich.

Thank you. And thank you for the work that you guys are doing. And, you know, impressive numbers on the statistics coming down. And I think the residents and business owners have seen it. As for the Is now the time to talk about the general contract? Now we're talking about the general contract. So it's a long duration. It does out, which allows us to part ways if we're not happy. So I heard loud and clear the community's concern about the duration of the contract. And with that 180 day out, that gives the city the flexibility to pivot and renegotiate and make changes and so on. So in terms of the contract's duration, I am okay with that. A little bit of a reality check. I asked around other municipalities and other local police offices and so on, what would it take if we wanted to use your services? The most common answer was not going to do it. You're on your own. Some of them, like Boynton said, sure, we'd entertain anything. We're your neighbor. We'd entertain that. You're going to have to give us two to three years to ramp up for it. And here we go. I also did a large amount of research into the 287G agreements and who has one, who doesn't, and so on. And Boynton was one of the ones that doesn't have one. The only thing that changes if we were to switch to Boynton, which was the only potential option out of the ones that would work with us is the only one that doesn't have one. is that the officers in Boynton are not required under certain circumstances to act as immigration officers or do not have the capability to do so, meaning they cannot enforce anything to deal with immigration. Whereas with PBSO, there are specially trained officers that do have that ability that they can enforce immigration. All of the other aspects of it remain in full force, meaning if they call for cooperation, it doesn't matter what law enforcement agency you're working with, you got to show up. If you pull someone over and you run them and they have immigration issues that come up out of the various databases, statutorily, they're required to phone that in and report that. um they cannot obfuscate they cannot hide um individuals with with immigration issues that they come across with their normal law enforcement so you know i i do hear the the concerns of guatemala mine center i do hear the concerns of the community the the question is and i tried to answer it myself what is the alternative and does it actually change anything And unfortunately, the hard truth and reality that people are going to have to face is these are state and federal laws. It doesn't matter what law enforcement agency you work with. It is the same. The treatment is the same with the one exception that I brought up. And so the question is, great. If we are not to renew this contract, what do we do? We could bring it in house. And so then I looked at bring it in house, and I won't get into too many details about the financials and so on. But there is one number that's readily available to us. We just got done funding the pension fund to the tune of like $5.5 million a year that we're putting into the pension fund. Our pension fund alone from the years that we had our own internal police force is about 25 to 30% of our entire budget now. So we would probably have a similar budget of call it $15 million. Plus, as the years went on, it's going to go up to 16, 18, 19, 20, 30. It's going to continue to go up. It's just not economically feasible or smart to not look at outsourcing these kinds of services. Overall, structurally, I believe we do need to move forward and negotiate this contract in good faith. And I believe that the services backed up by your metrics have been done satisfactorily. And I do often praise PVSO's performance. Now, with that, when we're talking about a contract and talking about our needs, we do have to bring up some of the negative things. And I don't want it to be seen as I am complaining. I'm just going to be bringing up some areas that I think we need to highlight and have within our contract. One of the first areas is patrol presence and and i know you know you mentioned that your officers do foot do do foot patrol and i do see the officers on it i don't think it's enough um and i don't think it's enough in certain areas and the park rangers are going to help with this but there are many times in our parks where you can see two patrol officers side by side sitting there doing paperwork or communicating in between calls and and so on and they need that necessary downtime to never see really officers walking through the park unless they're taking an action. And so that's going to change that. In our downtown, I've gotten complaints from business owners about officers spending too much time in the pizza parlor or in their favorite areas chatting with people, not enough time actually really patrolling the streets. The other thing about our downtown that I would ask your assistance in this process is Just like you did with the, I forget the name of the overnight sleeping ordinance or our flower statute. Work with us on our aggressive and handling issue. We have individuals that verbally and practically physically assault people in our downtown on a daily basis. And they're really nothing we have in our ordinances that helps you. So help us help you and you help us. Let's figure out that because that can't continue. It's driving businesses away. It's driving individuals away from our town. And it's a primary driver of people not feeling safe when they come here. It's horrible. I've seen it firsthand and your officers deal with it right away as soon as they're notified. but it just keeps reoccurring by the same individuals. And we need to figure out a way to work through that together. I would like to see those foot patrols to be particularly called out in our contract. I would like to see Snook Island particularly called out in our contract. I would like to see working on the issue of the illegal food vendors. as a particular responsibility called out in the contract. I think what you guys did with the appendix for the park ranger's responsibilities, I think we had a little appendix of that of here's the particular current needs. I think that will give our community a better idea of just what we've prioritized and what you guys are prioritizing as besides all the other obvious stuff. These are the immediate needs of our community. And so if we can get that into the contract, I am a big fan of the community volunteer program. I have experienced the same thing Commissioner Malega has. Can't get volunteers. And I would love if we can do that. And I know PBSO stands ready to do that. On page three, we do have supplemental services in there. As we go through this negotiation, I would like to see a historical cost on those, whether that's staff or PBSO. That is the cost to have people here at the meetings, the cost for special events, and so on.

As far as supplemental costs, we don't pay any additional costs for them to be here. And Captain Karn and I spoke about that particular paragraph yesterday. And just for clarification, they will still staff our staff, our commission meetings, and they will also provide for, we're going to put in a memo to outline those six events that we will, they will participate, the city sponsored events.

It was seven though.

Well, it was always six, but we just threw in an extra one as a courtesy. Correct. But we'll clean that paragraph up because it does not mean that they're going to charge us for it if they ask for additional service other than that. So we're going to clean that paragraph up. But it's part of the contract. That's correct. Yes.

um and you know some of the other other other things going on our downtown you know not just the the aggressive panhandling and this is why the early morning hours are particularly important to me and i I hate that I have to give the example, but it just happened in the past week. The owner of a bakery came in at five in the morning, and they had a couple fornicating in the doorwell and another one defecating in another doorwell and somebody sleeping naked. Most people obviously were there. It's not like they snuck in and snuck out. Behind the eco center, I've called in a few times, encampments got set up and things like that. We really need to be paying attention to that and helping to try to clean it up. And it's the city's responsibility to legislatively because those are public rights away and so on. And we have given direction here on a commission to work on some of that stuff with our alleyways and things. There are example cities. And I very much appreciate your guys' willingness to work with us on that and your feedback on it because it's invaluable to get from your perspective, what do you need to help us with these problems? So it's not that I'm saying you guys are doing a bad job, but these are the issues. These are the phone calls we get. Yeah. So in the termination clause, I'm sorry, page 12, we have the 180-day termination clause. And then underneath that, we have a transition, right? So I always like to prepare for the worst and hope for the best, right? if for whatever reason we were to terminate a relationship, Given the status of our available options and everything like that, it's going to be a long process, at least a year. I personally would like to see something in there that we can at least guarantee a year of transition if needed, just to give a little bit of peace of mind to people wondering about that.

So you're saying instead of 180, 360?

No, no, no, no. Under transition, I'm good with 180 day. Okay. On 13.1, it basically says a mutually agreeable timeline. Okay. I would just like to nail it down to a year. Well, I wouldn't want to necessarily limit it to it, but a minimum of a year if needed. So that we're basically saying, even if we do decide to part ways, it's going to take us a long while. And we want to make sure that we don't run into the situation where we're fighting over hey, guys, we're going to have you ready to go in three months. And we're like, no, we're not ready. You're like, well, you actually are. So that way there's a little bit more clarity there. Talk about that. um you know just one last kind of anecdotal story or two you know people people complain about the helicopter and they say it's like oh you know so so bad when i first moved here within two weeks of moving here we had the helicopter over our house and the spotlight on our house um it then moved over to my neighbor's house and there were three individuals who had committed violent crimes who escaped into our neighborhood scaled their fence and were hiding in their backyard with weapons and pbso because of that helicopter was able to locate them bring in the canine units additional specialty forces and so on and apprehend them without incident and those people had been known multiple felonies 16 17 18 each Another incident in South Palm Park, a neighborhood you wouldn't really consider some incidents like this to happen. A woman was dragged in a stolen vehicle, kidnapped, and it was the helicopter that tracked her down into South Palm Park, got police presence there and rescued her from probably what would have been getting murdered. So, yeah, sometimes it's annoying to hear the helicopter. But I also think we should count ourselves lucky that we have a law enforcement agency that has these tools at their disposal when and if we need it. And if you're hearing the helicopter a lot, it's not for fun. It's not because they want to be out there. It's because we actually need it. We also have the assistance of Marine Patrol. And the wildlife service has helped out. These would not have to with this organization. And I'm thankful. I know with 35,000, 40,000 calls for service, we're probably getting more than our budget's worth. And I'm also thankful for that. So those are my comments on this. And hopefully I didn't take too long.

Thank you.

I'm going to make this real personal. A couple years ago, I had to work with PBSO very closely. My godson at 17 years old was carjacked. He was a Guatemalan, 100% Guatemalan. He lived on South F Street. And when my godson went missing, It was PBSO that listened to the family and said, this isn't a runaway. This isn't normal. And every single resource that we pay for within two days was able to not just locate the person who killed my godson, find the car through using multiple cameras throughout this county. He was found all the way in Loxahatchee. He was taken from Hypoluxo in Congress. And if it wasn't for EVSO and cameras and helicopters, my godson wouldn't have been able to be buried properly and have a proper Guatemalan burial. And we wouldn't have found the person who killed him and put him in jail where he belonged. So this is personal to me. So when you stand up here and you attack us about not caring about the immigrant population, My godson and his family relied heavily on myself, my wife, and PBSO to get us through this horrible time. And it wasn't just to find him and bring him home. They didn't stop until they found the person who killed him and prosecuted him and made sure that justice was served for our family. So when I hear PBS being put down and saying that they don't care about the immigrant population, it's not true. And it was all over the news. You can Google it. You can see a picture of me and my godson on half of the news stories that happen. So before you come up here and you blame or you accuse the people who sit up here for not doing anything or thinking or feeling one way. Get your facts straight. We are humans too. And our families are touched. And we may not stand in front of cameras on a regular basis. And we may not jump and scream and say, look at me and look at what I'm doing. But we have been affected personally. So I do support PBSO because they have shown up for the entire community of Lake Worth Beach. want to thank pvso for always showing up when i call or i put in a complaint i have been um not very successful in using the app and i don't know it's just mirror technology but i can't upload the pictures from reason um but pbso has given us great resources and i mentioned a couple weeks ago i saw the horses downtown when i was meeting some people at 2j's and it was nice to see the horses out and see them literally walking down down lake avenue by 2j's i was very shocked it was like 9 30 in the morning But I do agree with Commissioner Segrich. We do need more of that interaction, more boots on the ground. I would love to see some canines walking around, canine officers and units, you know, just as visibility, not to offend or make anybody scared, but just to show that they're here and they care. I do have a couple of questions in regards to the contract, if you will indulge. On page three, section E, it mentions related school speed camera program. Do we have any of those in the city? Because I don't I've been through around all the schools and I've never seen a speed camera. OK, so Mike, before Ramsey tells you.

So what we're doing for all of our different city contracts, we have a standard template contract. And with that, some of the cities have those programs. So we left it in there. You all don't have that. So that will not be applicable to you.

Okay. I would like to see that stricken then if we don't have it.

Okay. But in the future, if you do get it, then it will apply.

Okay. Sarah, can you just tell me where you are? Page three, section E, the very last sentence is action related to school speed camera program. Thank you.

If you decide to get that, because then that would be a speed thing.

Does you guys do issue tickets to people who are I've seen it on the news for the week one of people who are violating speed zones? I think it was Wellington. I saw this really aggressive with it. But if we don't have it, is there something we could put in here just saying that we don't have it, but we could have it?

Or could we get it or could we get it? What would what would prevent us from getting that money?

Nothing. You just have to if you want to if you want to get in contact with the vendor, which I could probably do that, then you can set that program up. But the reason why we have that in there, because there will be costs related to that. Right. So as I said, you go to a third party vendor and ask some of the program. now you say pvso we want you all to do x y and z well that's something that we didn't know about and now you have another vendor so then that's going to be additional funding for that so yeah add the language if if a speed zone if so applicable or something if it's important yes yeah because anybody who's reading this will look at that and think that we have no problem um on page five

letter c the district commander may provide annual i would like that to say semi-annual reports because we do this quarterly and i was going to say shale and september yeah yeah everything else is shall and then that was a may well may means they don't have to i understand okay what section what section again the district commander may provide semi-annual i would like to see that i mean quarterly i thought semi-annually because These are semi-annual that we get now.

Yes.

That's why I did it.

It's twice a year we get a report.

And then they come to the community policing report in between them. But this is for the data. So can we add that semi-annual to that? And shall. And take out may and put shall.

And in letter D too.

Yep.

may be presented shall be presented thank you um on page six 2.4 fiscal responsibilities letter c um emergency purchases and unanticipated repairs not included in the compensation provided for this agreement shall be forwarded to the city's finance director for consideration i would like to add through the city manager Because I just don't want bills showing up at the city finance department. Add through the city management office or city manager's office. um everybody talked about the increase already um and i did want to say that i had um done some research in regards to one of the languages in here and i can't remember where it is right now um that we are supposed to receive funding from fines and forfeitures page nine um second sentence from the bottom all fines and forfeitures levied and collected pursuant blah blah blah shelby forwarded to the city um i had asked finance to pull the records and give us an update because i don't think we've ever been provided that they did i think city manager provided to the rest of the commission in 2026 so far this year between fines and forfeitures court cases and false alarms Is that right? False alarm reporting? $141,732 has been collected to the city. Nice. And in 2025, it was $124,055. So that does come back to us. I know it's not a big dent, but it's something that is a bigger picture for the community to hear. And that's, I did want to have the language of the six events listed. Thank you.

You want to have them with the names?

With the names, it's $660. Okay.

Thank you, Mr. McVoy. Yeah.

I'm sorry, Madam Mayor. I just want to give you a time update. We're at 9 minutes and 40 seconds.

We have 40 seconds left?

9 minutes and 40 seconds.

Motion to extend this topic until we're done with it.

Second.

All in favor? Aye.

It's freezing in here.

have a lot of different things that i need to communicate um one of the issues certainly has been pbso's involvement with 287g with federal immigration enforcement and one of the things that i personally have struggled with is as i said earlier i believe that captain terence karn is a good person and is trying to do generally the right however There is a real credibility problem with PBSO. I don't know that it's necessarily at Captain Karn's level, but what you, I think, as a public, needs to be aware is this is a very unusual contract arrangement. PBSO is a countywide organization. simply by being in the county we are entitled to helicopter services we are entitled to canine services we are entitled to special op services whether we had a contract municipal contract or not people don't know that But it's the best information I have is that if we as a municipality called for helicopter for something or other and we didn't have PBSO, we were West Palm Beach Police Department or our own Lake West one or whatever, PBSO as the county sheriff would have to respond. Just like they say when another law enforcement agency asks for support for immigration work, they have to respond. similarly we would get a lot of those services just by being county residents it's a county sheriff so keep that in mind keep in mind that the contract relation which is when we contract with the paving lady And we say, hey, we need this or we need this information. The paving lady doesn't say, well, I'm going to have to talk to my vendor and maybe they'll give you an answer. Maybe they won't. And I don't know if we can do that. No, we have a contract with them. And the contractor knows that we're the boss on that. That's not the situation with BBSO. You've heard it multiple times just this evening. If they want to give us data about things, they can, but they don't have to. so make sure that the contract specifies very clearly whatever it is that we want because if it in in the contract there's no obligation of pbso to do it right or not right i don't want to put you on the spot so i'm not going to i won't do that but he knows that it's right if it's not in that contract they know full well that they are the monopoly provider There's no public service commission that oversees the monopoly provider that there is for electric utilities or water utilities when there's a monopoly situation. There isn't anything like that. The contract says we can get out of it in 180 degree days. Well, that's that's just like that's nonsense. Commissioner Segrich has clearly stated for us, if you wanted to go to something else, you're looking at at least a one to two to three year lag time to get that geared up. So 180 degrees telling us, telling the community that we have control over this contract because we have 180 degree out is just pickle cock, I think is the word, or whatever it is, it's baloney. So make sure that whatever we want to see in the contract or see happening, if we want to have foot patrols, don't say, hey, can we have foot patrols? No, write it in. How many do you're going to have? How often? How much of your officers are going to be doing that? You want bike patrols. You want the horses. The horses were around a lot when Lake Worth Police Department disappeared and we went to PBSO. They were around a lot. And then for 10 years, I didn't see them at all. write it in the contract exactly what you want and make sure that pbso is going to agree to that contract otherwise we are just otherwise it's just talk commissioner malega has a very personal experience with pbso and is very grateful for the things and we've heard all sorts of stories of good things that have happened i have to tell you i've got a realtor real person long time resident saying the same thing that i heard from other residents and i've heard a lot when i've been out recently and i've heard it for years yeah we don't call ppsl they never come we send in tips on things and nothing happens i hear that a lot i have dealt with law enforcement in other cities and seen how they operate, what they called community policing. That you had an officer that was coming around, even if it was coming around in a vehicle, which isn't the greatest way to do community policing, but they had their windows open and they weren't tinted. And they were clearly communicating regularly with people in what in this case was sort of the downtown. We don't do that. And what you've heard that the supposed foot patrol officers, we see them sitting in an establishment for long periods. I don't ever see them out on the road walking. We had Kelly Smaldridge come to our community and say the reputation of Lake Worth is we're not safe. So you're showing us those statistics that, oh, it's so much better now than it was under Lake Worth's belief. But the empirical information coming from the economic people is that's not the reputation we have. And I have a question that I do expect an answer to. Let's pull up that slide if there's anybody. I don't know if there's anybody here. But you had a nice slide, which I like. I don't like year one and year two compares in 2007 to 2025. Anybody who's put any thought in statistical analysis of time series says you don't compare two years. You look at a time series. So your slide with the time series, that was a good one. And it had a nice trend to it. yeah so you're doing a good job with pso of violent crime and the real bad guys burglaries burglaries whatever it is the bad stuff it was listed under there robberies okay yes and also the index crimes yeah i think they're also called part one or part two crime um if we're doing that well And if the stated purpose of the federal immigration enforcement is to get the worst of the worst, the criminals, the bad guys, the gangsters, those same categories. If we're doing that well, why does federal immigration need to be in our town? Who's right? You're right that we're doing it. We got it under control. Or a bunch of federal guys who have crappy training and are definitely racially profiling, even if they don't want to report their numbers correctly and have to get corrected by the county clerk that says, hey, you know, you reported these folks as white folks, but Hernandez, Gonzalez, et cetera. Sounds like kind of that might be Hispanic to me. They didn't want to report it that way. Now I want to come back, but I would like an answer. If local law enforcement is doing such a good job on the real bad guy crime, why do we need federal immigration to get the real bad guy crime? is not an answer no i do not accept that kind of answer that because let me let me give you let me give you how this stuff works i put in a bunch of questions because i had residents that wanted to know about the flock cameras and the license plate cameras yes i put in six questions of those six questions and this is not i'm not putting this on captain karn i'm putting it on pbso as a whole of those six questions Five of them were answered as followed. Unable to disclose due to Florida statute, whatever. No, it's not a law statement. We were told that we have a hundred and I did get the one piece of information we got. We've got a hundred odd milestone permanent cameras. I don't know whether it wasn't said whether those are license plate readers or not. I believe they are, but you can carve it. And we've got 31 of the flock cameras. all the other informations. What are they designed to do? Who has access to the information? Is there a mechanism to keep track of who is in fact accessing it? Is any of it passed to immigration? Have the operators been provided data to any immigration agencies? Can't disclose. Can't disclose. So when we talk about should we have PBSO or should we have our own police department or team up with West Palm Beach or Palm Springs or whatever, having a police chief that works for us and you ask them a question and they're going to say, yes, sir, we will get you an answer is very different than having PBSO. Sorry, I can't disclose. I can't disclose. I have put in information quest many people in this community who want to know what are the statistics and what are the real data? What are the criminal offenses that these people that are getting hauled off our streets? Where's the data on that? What are the offenses that they're found of? I'm sorry, that's a different agency. We can't get that data. That is an unacceptable answer from a law enforcement agency that is our contractor. Would we take that from the paving lady that our roads? We have a lot of money to do that. Nothing like the money we pay. So that they said, sorry, I can't give you that information. We would never we'd fire that contractor instantly. You're not going to give us the critical information we need. No, you get that information. Find a way to get it from the other agencies or get them the hell out of this city. And I will give some examples. Tampa, we hear, oh, there's nothing we can do. That's baloney. That's false information. Tampa signed on under pressure to 287G. And they had some officers, but they didn't train them up. And since they weren't trained up, they couldn't send them out to do immigration stuff. So they found a way to be sort of clever and do what the community wanted and not what the state was trying to ram down the throat or the feds were trying to ram down the throat. You heard from somebody in the room what the deal is in Miami. They didn't train up and deputize 100 officers to do immigration work. They did one. There are choices that can be made by our community, by what we tell PBSO is acceptable and is not. There are choices. If you look at the news on things, you will see an example. of one of the federal outfits in oklahoma yanking a guy on the roadway on a interstate highway u.s citizen u.s citizen immigration wasn't supposed to be messing with him and an oklahoma state officer came along and said hey what's happening here and got the guy released that is local law enforcement protecting the local community not what we have happening here we are not getting straight answers on a lot of stuff there is involvement there is two million dollars a million dollars going in and the idea that this commission would sign on to a 10-year contract taking away control from multiple future commissions And you had somebody in the audience point out a little detail in there. Not only is it a 10 year contract, it automatically rolls over into another 10 year contract. That's 20 years. That is unacceptable. That is crappy. Governance, my colleagues don't like it when I say it's not good governance, but it is not good governance. It's not good governance to enter into contracts that are most expensive contracts extend them for crazy amounts of time, there is no way I will vote for a 10-year contract. A one-year contract, a two-year contract, which is what we've always done. I asked in advance of this meeting for a red line version of the contract. You know how you do red line stuff, right? Underline and strike through, or red, either way. Where you say, all right, what's been under for the last 15 years? What's the new one? Cross and underline so you can see the difference. I'm sorry, we don't have one of those. And the reason we don't have one of those is because PBSO initiated the contract, not the city. I was never consulted about anything about this contract. No meetings with city staff, no meetings with PBSO, no input from the community. The contract was rewritten by PBSO and said, here it is. You like it? And when I asked, could I get a red line one, the suggestion was, well, maybe you should guys, could you get your legal team to do that comparison? So PBSO writes the contract to however they want it. They don't give you a comparison to what we were doing. And they suggest that if you do want to do your homework and your comparison, get your own legal team to do it. This and the level of unhappiness in the community, you may not hear it here, But I hear it, oh, we never called PSO, they never come. Or they come and it's two hours later. And I'll defend you guys. I say, well, you know, you know, they were probably on some important thing, you know, real crime happening somewhere else, but people don't believe it. Thank you. People don't believe it. No, I'm not done. kind of an emotional presentation about somebody's personal experience. I've had a personal experience too. My wife and I went to nine days every night of vigil for a woman on A Street. PBSO came, domestic violence situation. She said, I don't want to leave my kids here. PBSO did not come up with any way to get her and her kids out of there. And she was next found rotting in a car under 95. Several days into that vigil, that's pretty horrible. I know all those kids. My wife had those kids volunteering in her school. PBSO failed them. drastically. and as you probably know those of you who follow me i'm a science guy so i know full well that i can always come up with some example of some egregious horrible thing and say well there you go you should decide on this that's not how you make good decisions here's what influenced a lot more obviously it was horrible what happened to aolalia and how pvso failed on that and i understand the domestic violence situations are not easy But three or four nights into those nine days of vigil, A bunch of the mothers who had been coming said, we are not happy because we are never taken seriously by PBSO. And they marched over to PBSO. And I communicated with a different captain at that time and said, I think you need to meet with these people. They're going to come tomorrow night. I think you need to meet with them. Now we don't want to do that. They never met with them. Never took their... And it was a goodly crowd of people that showed up and said, our experiences, domestic violence stuff, we don't get taken seriously here. So I can find you any number of people who say traffic is not very well enforced here. You got Kelly Smallbridge telling you that the reputation of Lake Worth is that it's not safe. we don't have visible foot controls downtown we don't have accountability we have we don't have community policing but we get reports to tell you that are basically pr hey we gave away bicycles that's not community policing that's pr for for bso i don't want that as community policing i want stuff that you are actually on bicycle on foot talking to people you know people people do feel like there's some trust right now the level of trust of pso in this town is poor and there's a fear level and i understand some of it's not fair because it's fsp or it's ice or whoever but you guys show up maybe it's not district 14 people but it's other pbso people the trust isn't there and that hurts our local law enforcement that's known criminology research from decades when pbso or whatever your local law enforcement gets a reputation that they're pretty friendly with the federal immigration enforcement your local law enforcement goes down so i will absolutely not support a 10-year contract a two-year contract maybe and with some definite things written into it of how we're going to do stuff differently thank you

Hi, thank you. I'll be brief. i feel as though um with the property tax uncertainty i i do do have some um qualms about committing to a 10-year relationship um i would forward that we could do a three-year contract i think that that's been done with some of the other cities around that you guys service and i think that that would be a um A good compromise at this point, it doesn't put it on to other commissions. I mean, well, 3 years, a little bit to the other commissions. It also does if we end up with some uncertainty, we're not locked in for 10 years. So, I think I would like to see that if I can have consensus for that. I like the things that Anthony and Sarah put in. I don't know if you actually added anything in here. If you did, just make it clear and I can tell you if I agree to those or not. I do agree with the The the foot patrols, I don't I don't think that they're not happening, but I think it should be written in here clearly. You know, I just received information from a constituent who says that she and I know this because she's down at the bars all the time. They're always here. They're always talking to us. They're always making sure we're safe to walk us to our cars if we need there. I got she got. mugged or something and the officer has been in contact with her and so you know it depends on who you talk to so it's all going to be kind of hearsay but i don't think it should be and i think as far as being the captain and the lieutenant you guys should have kind of proof that they're walking around so i think a little bit more um oversight on those deputies i think that would be a good thing to do um the Contract itself, it's been put out there that it expands the relationship with ICE. Does it do that? no okay thank you um the other thing is you we talked about the need for people to have mental health services and we just want to reiterate that we do have two homeless outreach officers and that anytime that somebody has an issue where they might need mental health um or social services we have the ability to offer them to them correct yes we have oh

We're certified in the CIT crisis intervention team. And plus we have a crisis response team with the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office, which includes one investigator, one mental health professional or a peer, they come out and they will meet with the person that is experiencing a mental health crisis. So we have that in place. We also have an agreement too with the health district of Palm Beach County as well. They have a program where we'll actually transport people who do not meet the criteria for a Baker Act, we'll transfer them to their facility and they can stay there during daytime hours. They can get a meal, shower, so on and so forth and psychotropic medication if needed.

that's about 45th street that's the one by we've toured that one yes um i'll come back to it okay the um let's see just making sure because a lot of the stuff i was going to say has already been said so i don't need to say it oh the um as far as properties that are suspected of being drug houses or having maybe prostitutes in them and calls for service on that. Can you tell me how it is recorded? Because I'm hearing that we're having trouble getting nuisance properties designated as nuisance properties because they don't have the proper number of calls for service. microphone please it's five different events okay so i have like i have an entire record of the calls for service so how does somebody say can you guys come check it out the prostitutes are back at this house the house is is empty the owner's in jail and there's call after call after calling for crimes has been a crime that was committed

A crime that would be better if you have a person who was arrested for a crime. If a person was arrested for a crime, that would be better.

Okay. Look at that and with the city attorney and find out how we can work on getting nuisance properties that have to have these statistics from the, from the sheriffs to make it really clear what what is it that we need. because we are having neighbors having to sit next live next to very unhealthy situations and i think we all know what i'm talking about but i want to make sure that that's there but um i do agree with mr mcboy that we need to have some of these um specific things written in the contract um where for example when it talks about the supplemental service what would what would tick okay this one we're paying extra for this one we're not so if we could get that information in there that would be good um the um do okay um i the things that miss uh malega brought up with this the reporting definitely changed from may to jail um a couple other things in this thing so i think we go for a three-year contract i think we rewrite this and bring it back and present it to us with the changes that we've talked about tonight and see if we can't do a deal i don't want to wait though too long for especially to get the um um park rangers started because i know that we have the the employees are ready to go correct so i think that even if we have it in two separate parts where we have the park ranger part check done go and the other portion of it check done go um i don't know if it has to be one contract i i don't know how the contracting works yes mr mr uh as far as the park rangers and being ready to go

Before they can finish the hiring process of these five individuals, we have to sign a contract. They're not going to offer employment to these five individuals that they already applied or whatever the case might be without having an agreement because they don't want to get- Okay.

So this agreement and the park ranger agreement has to be one agreement.

Well, I mean, Mr. Trivia is on the line too. He's going to do a recap of things that you discussed. there may be some way that we could isolate that that particular information if you wanted to try to vote on and get it going tonight so i don't want to get it going tonight because as we said we had too many things that we needed to rewrite so let's do it at a time certain though so that we're not waiting forever like the next meeting and like i said mr stevie is going to recap what we discussed tonight and then see how we're going to move forward is he taking great notes mr joseph are you taking terrific notes i'm sure he's taking great notes um

Yeah, and I do think, and this is the last time I'm going to say it, that we do need to work a little bit better downtown so that the image is not of uncertainty. And I think a lot of that also can be helped with more lighting downtown, and that's not you guys, but that's on us. So the other thing is, tell us what you need when it comes to preventing crime downtown, or we need to work together in order to make sure that this is perceived as a safe place. Thanks. Thank you, Mr. Sigridge.

Thank you, Madam Mayor. I was reminded of a couple of things. It is easy to focus just on the downtown because one that's my district and we get a lot of feedback there. I will echo Mr. McVoy's comment that there is a perception um in some of the neighborhoods where they make the call or they use the app and they don't get a response um i've got personal experience with that i also have personal experience of hitting the app and two and a half minutes later there is a response um we have i forget the exact number 40 something 60 000 calls for service right right now multiply that out and divide it by the number of days I'm willing to bet that your call queue is in the hundreds at any given moment. And I think one of the things we talked about KPIs that will help, and you kind of touched on this about there has to be a rest versus this and that, understanding the calls to outcomes kind of thing and understanding if calls were never responded to would be an important metric. Because I know some calls either never got responded to or by the time they got there, I forget the acronym for it, but it's persons no longer there or incidents no longer there. And then in our neighborhoods, it's more of the quality of life crimes. We're seeing the uptick in the car break-ins and so forth. But there definitely is that perception out there and it's fueled by reality. And I think more data will help with that. And for one, when I do hear that, I try to report that to you guys. And sometimes I do hear, well, I don't want to call. And I understand frustration and so on. If you don't make the call, you don't have the right to complain about them not showing up. And what I tell everybody is you make the call, document in the app, and then if you feel badly about it, send it to me and I will be able to follow up if you give me a date and time. I do agree with Ms. May about the drug houses, prostitution houses and nuisance houses. We need to do better. It's my understanding that some other agencies have been investigating certain places in our town and they know of places, but those places are not getting acted upon because of bureaucracy and so forth. So if we can be assistance in any of that, I don't know how that works. And then I guess one of the other commentaries that I would just like to make is sometimes I think our officers are too familiar with some of our bad actors. where it's oh that's just so and so they're harmless um and and you and i had a cell phone conversation one day where one of the harmless people threatened to shoot me right and and and it wasn't until our conversation that the officers took that seriously um you know just because they know that individual doesn't necessarily mean that they are harmless and imagine if that was a first-time visitor they're never coming back right um and and that that kills us so again not making it a you know we're just bringing up deficiencies that i think we can address in this contract um i i would i don't know if it's appropriate to make a motion but i think we we direct staff to move forward based on these comments and the one caveat to that is i i would like to see a red line in a one-on-one prior to a commission meeting from this, because there is a lot here and no disrespect to Mr. Tresivia. I know he does take good notes, but every so often we do find things are missing and we're going to go over the list before we, yeah, but I mean, I would, I would like to have it in, but just let's define tonight. So I would like to have it in a one-on-one.

Okay. Thank you. All right. So what I'm hearing is that I've been making a list. And correct me or add to it, whatever. For the park ranger, morning hour is very important. Body cameras have to happen. Narcan training for the park rangers. Increased foot patrol. And if we could somehow... get a measure of that you know like some sort of commitment to what well how many officers would be done I think that would be helpful for all of us um uh semi-annual not quoting semi-annual reports um if there is if there's a termination um a year transition a minimum of a year transition I think that needs to be longer than that well it's a minimum what does that mean well it means that when when the I don't think it's ever gonna happen but If it's a minimum of a year, then they would negotiate about how long it would take. Ms. May has said a three-year contract. I would go five. I would go one. Well, I could live with a three. I think that's a pretty good compromise. Well, from 10 to three is quite a compromise. because it's mostly what the fees are going to be i also want to point out that i my understanding is that the pbso has a deep commitment and um interaction with our school children yes i mean that's why i think we haven't talked about that but i mean one of the things that i think that our kids need to know and um you know is that when the police come you know that they they recognize those faces so i just want to point that out and perhaps if we could you know grant that up because i know well we have a lot of that with our own community police i don't and i really find it offensive to call it being publicity seeking these are kids that need bikes that need help and uh and that need interaction with our own police so this you know every kid in our you know and i'm more involved with the high school kids but every kid in our in our neighborhood in our city needs to know that they are welcome here and that they are protected by our police that are pleased enough to get them um all right stop um I agree with the window tinting. I think there's a window tinting rule in this state that you can't go too dark. And I think the police department does not follow that rule because I like to make eye contact with someone when I, and so you brought that up and I have always thought that. And I think that they should stop more people that the window tinting is that dark because you can't see where they're looking when you come to an intersection. So have I left anything out?

Changing the shelves. Oh, the mace shelves.

um we had um adding um bike transportation to the park rangers right um uh i brought up reducing some of the educational duties which i disagree with and let's let's talk about that i think it's i think that's one of the things that if we're talking about citizens having a good reaction to we're not we're stuck with a good reaction to um

having the police there that that kind of interaction you know this is i don't think that that's harmful i think that would help so so my oh i can go through my specific ones that i took issue with and then we can so i'll ask consensus on it i'm on page 18. Actually, page 19 under environmental, the very first one, providing environmental education species ID title impact benefits of sargassum left on beaches and so on. I do not think they need to do that.

Top of the page.

Top of the page.

I don't see it. There's no harm in any of this.

I just don't want to pay for it.

going to be there anyway and and wouldn't it be relevant to know what the job description is and the required training because i kind of think that face training probably doesn't tell you a whole lot about sargassum maybe maybe just let me go through with my thing and then you can say you either agree or don't agree um

advising on reefs dive sites and adequate recreation safety monitoring invasive species and reporting sightings for removal assisting environmental or volunteer groups with habitat restoration projects participating in water quality testing for lakes river coastal areas assisting with environmental and archaeological preservation those are the ones that i would like removed

yeah i i don't i just think it's nonsense to put it in the country okay so you're saying okay providing

You know, and that can just, you know, I think we're being very, I think it's, hey, this is a star crush.

Hey, that's a, that's a turtle. So that.

Commissioner Malega is a no. Commissioner McVoy, are you? I'm a no. A no for, a no you want them in or no you want to remove them?

And me too. I think it's giving a false impression.

So you want them removed?

No.

Okay. So McVoy's a remove. I'm a remove. You're a tiebreaker.

It's in the job description. Does it do the five?

Have we seen the job description? Is it included?

They have to have certain knowledge of these species and this stuff in order to be the park ranger.

If it's in there, they are going to have training. Each park ranger will go through one of our PBSO trainings before they even hit the ground. So, yes, if it's in there, they will have the training for it.

Mr. Perry? Yes. This is a job.

I'm sorry, could you speak into your mind?

Just these duties. This is a generic job description that all their partners are going to be taught on. So when they go into a class with park rangers, the sheriff's department is going to be teaching them all these particular items. Now, if we revise to draw a description to just half of the city of Lake Worth Beach, we can leave those items out if you want to. But either way, they're going to sit in the class and be taught these items.

Yeah, I don't they don't need to get taken out. No, I think let's keep it in.

all right so we have three to keep it in i would like to see the job descriptions and the job requirements and the training because um somehow the idea that pso is going to teach people about invasive species all right so um one of the other things i believe we had consensus on was clearly differentiating the uniforms yes

establishing KPIs for the park rangers, specifically putting in there that it's a responsibility to refer to the CIT and HIT teams. I had asked to make sure that we have really enforce the open container and minor misdemeanor drug stuff and smoking and having snook island as as an area of coverage the aggressive handling and the illegal food vendor

I think we have to be careful on the panhandling because we took things out of our ordinances because other communities were getting sued.

And we were advised to work with legal and PBSO and look at other cities and implement what's been working in other cities because it's the aggression.

It's an assault.

It's a verbalist. Assault is verbal.

Okay, so for the businesses, they could do a trespass warning so they can get bought with our business partnership program.

Yeah, but the businesses- With all due respect, that does not work. This particular individual has been requested trespass from almost every single business on the street, and they continue to verbally assault, and because he's not physically standing, on their property when officers arrive he knows he sees the manager get up and get on the phone he steps back into the public street and then there's nothing that you guys can do um because he's not he's no he's no longer on there if we had some sort of an ordinance between our organizations that dealt with aggressive basically verbal assault and handling he could be cited

could be cited if he's on the public street being assaulted it doesn't matter if it's on private right now we don't have anything to cover that or at least that's what our officers say well that we need to talk about that um mr mr perry

Yes, ma'am. I noticed that several of the commissioners mentioned the community volunteer team. As a matter of fact, last week in our weekly, every other week meeting, we brought that up and the lieutenant and the captain committed to having their PIO communications team work with ours to try to get the word out and try to get that established. So we did talk about that last week.

OK, so we have, I think we've enumerated staff, the changes that we're looking for. the red line, underlying changes. So we have that. So we know it's all there and be very helpful. So, um, so I think we are, we've consents to go forward with the instructions that we've gone through and we thank you very much for your time.

Sorry, madam mayor. Yes. Uh, city attorney Torsivia would like to say something.

Well, what would you like to say, Mr. Crisabia?

I would like to recap and go page by page with the contract, make sure this understands what it is, because tomorrow I intend to send the red line version to the sheriff's lawyer, because I know you want this back ASAP. And I know they have a lot of dialogue and consensus on something, so it won't take very long, but if we just go page by page and make sure I captured all of your consensus items.

Not an unreasonable request, even if it is 10 to 10.

How long do you think that's going to take?

Five minutes.

Line by line is five minutes?

Five minutes, because I start the time.

One of them is just line by line.

Okay, so on the changes that you suggested. You need to speak louder.

You got to speak louder, Glenn.

Okay, on page two, paragraph H, where it talks about park ranger specialists. At the very end, after it says all standard equipment is defined by the sheriff's general's orders, including being equipped with body cameras and Narcan.

Yeah.

Yes.

Okay. Next page three letter E like Edward number where it talks about supplement the law enforcement services. Number one, council meetings, parents at no charge. Number two, board and committee meetings, parents at no charge. the next paragraph that talks about additional supplemental law enforcement services, about the school speed zone cameras, at the very end have comma, if said school zone camera program is approved by the city.

Yep. And we have a question about special events that we wanted them listed.

Well, special events, then you generally covered

But we wanted to put the number six under on number three, six, especially.

I wouldn't put a number in if it's not there. Why would we? The other attorney tomorrow is premature.

He requested that we see the red line first.

well he's going to prepare the red line and send it to us let me let it to the other side tomorrow and he does as well he's never going to be able to get through this there's all this stuff tomorrow whenever he can do it and he understands that it's quick well okay no stop on page three really let's get going

well hold on special events we in the past our previous hundred i've been here a while with these things we got a certain number of them that were for free from that was part of the contract this doesn't clarify you know the first one and two it says at no charge what's the don't we need that language at no charge would you like that in there we can add that yes i we need to be clear what we want

that's why I want to go page by page so once you all okay special events number six special events I don't know if that's at no charge I think that that would be I don't know what what do you think that's like a sting a sting or an event or um a problem um for example when you need to be you can you need to speak

sorry for example when you needed the roadway blocked off for multiple days for the hotel remodeling there they were they were asking for that hey we need pbs to block this off for days and days and days that would be one of those situations because we'd be taken away from our road patrol so that would be extra yes that would be one of those examples yes something like that would

But if we ask you to please focus on people parking too close to the edge of a sidewalk, that's not... That's normal.

That's normal police things that we would do.

Okay. Go on, please. Okay, so let me go back. So on special events, we're going to put in...

Speak up, please, Mr. Torcivia.

We're going to go back on special events and put in parens six at no charge, correct?

Yeah.

Okay. Yes, correct. And then we talked about speed zone cameras, then skipping to page five. Okay. letter c like charlie the district commander shall instead of may provide semi-annual reports to the city you have the eight items listed there adding a number nine foot patrol adding a number ten park ranger reports and parens quarterly because you wanted those more often than semi-annually and good so far

yes hold on hold on slightly we talked a lot about foot patrol for downtown do we we haven't really talked about neighborhoods because i get complaints about that a fair amount do you want a certain number of bicycle patrols or electric bicycle patrols in neighborhoods do you want any information on that do we want any requirements i don't think so

We can't micromanage what these people do. It's our contract. We can't micromanage. You should be at that corner at that time.

I didn't say that. If I could just have a little input. Some of these things, they're not required to be in the contract. This is simply you just letting me know. You can send me an email.

And you always respond.

Yes. We always respond to that. So some of these things don't have to be in the contract. If you want extra patrols downtown, that's something that I will give you. And then I'll let you know how we're doing it. If you want to report, we'll do that. So that doesn't have to be in a...

Okay. I think the foot patrol thing is a fairly important one that we do want to have, if I'm not correct, that we do want to have in there. Just so that people understand that we are serious about foot patrol downtown.

Okay.

Okay.

Mr. Mr. You also wanted the park ranger reports quarterly, correct?

Yes, quarterly. Yeah, especially because it's a new program. Right.

Okay. The next paragraph D, a full analysis of enforcement related transit indicators shall be prepared. That's on a semi-annual basis or an annual basis? Semi.

Semi.

Semi. Okay. Next page, number six, paragraph 2.4C, like Charlie, where it says emergency purchases forward to the city's finance director. You want it to add manager. So city's manager and finance director.

Correct.

Nothing on page seven. Nothing on page eight. All the way to page 12. Where we get to Article 11.1, the term. I heard it sounds like a consensus for three years, so that would change September 30th, 2036 to 2029. And I also heard No on the automatic renewal, so I struck out the words and shall automatically renew for subsequent 10-year terms.

That's out. Good. Third line on 11.1. Third line on 11.1.

I mean, all right, I mean, it says in subsequent three-year terms, unless the agreement is terminated in accordance with the terms you're in.

Right, but the only thing that you can renegotiate if you do that is the cost, not anything else in the contract. So if we only make it a three-year contract, then we can look into this again.

No, no, I'm not talking about the three years. I'm just saying.

But saying an automatic renewal doesn't give you the opportunity to negotiate anything but the cost. It was what I was told.

I think where the mayor is going is that, you know, the fourth, part of the third, the fourth, the fifth, the sixth line of 11-1 would all disappear. I could sense an automatic renewal.

And if you're taking out the automatic renewal, we could take all that out. So did you want any kind of automatic renewal or just three-year term, and then we have a new contract three years from now.

Okay, but I think in my experience, it's always good to have a timeframe where the one party tells the other party that, you know, at the end of the three years, oops, you're out or we're in. So I think that there should be, whether it's a six-day or a 90-day prior to the expiration of that contract to communicate whether you're going to go forward or not, Mr. Zegredge.

i'm sorry madam mayor but it is 958 i need a motion to extend to 11. second all in favor all right mr segers suggestion to do that at 180 days to keep it consistent yeah but i think it needs to be longer to be realistic but if somebody's giving you something to renew at 180. yeah

6 months before the end of the contract.

Right. Okay. 180 days prior to the termination of the expiration of the contract. Okay. Got that, Mr. Torres?

Got that. All right. Next. Next on paragraph 13. Same page, 12.1, where you talk about termination. At the end of the term, that shall serve for up there from the city.

That was in transition 13.1. The transition?

Okay, we'll put it in there instead. Okay.

And I would say it ought to be longer than a year because that's not realistic to...

Well, remember this. It says you have to give notice of at least 180 days. Nothing says you can't give a notice of 700 days or 800 days. And nothing says that you can't be negotiating with a different vendor or provider, you know, even before you give that notice, which presumably you would be doing, have a plan in place before you gave a notice.

Sounds like unbaseful to me.

Anthony's was. Sorry. Okay. Which brings us to the end of it.

And then in the end, the only real changes goes to Exhibit C, which is the Rangers.

What page are you on?

I'm sorry, Madam Mayor, but there should be a change on page 13 that I discussed with City Attorney Linehan.

Yes.

Page 13, Article 14, 14.3. It has... the last sentence pursuant to a resolution we don't have a resolution so it should just end at on behalf of the city i agree and can we change the city's mayor by his to by their execution yeah thank you please fine good idea yeah i changed it actually to her because for this one it was her i think their theirs is fine got it and so then on page 19 um

I mean, anywhere it says city council, we have to change it to commission, obviously.

Yeah. They have their standard template. We'll change it to commission.

Right.

And then bottom of page 19, I added two bullets. One, monitor and enforce no smoking and no alcohol ordinances. I made that one bullet, actually. And then on page 20. About six bullets from the bottom where it says patrolling parks via range of vehicle, golf cart, bicycle, and on foot and or bicycle.

Yep.

And that's all that I have is your changes. And if that's the changes you want, and you make a motion to do that, like I said, I'll have that red line to the sheriff's lawyer tomorrow, because obviously we have to see if they agree to these changes.

And when you do that, you're going to send us the red line as well, correct?

The only other thing that we needed to add on here is the morning patrol. Yeah. Okay. I'm so sorry. I didn't...

Well, what you had there was, I'm going to find it, but it says between the city and Captain Karn, you'll decide the hours. So they may be flexible. Some weeks maybe are morning, some weeks maybe later. So I don't know if you wanted to lock it into the morning or if you wanted to.

No, we don't want to lock it in.

Okay.

We want, we want, right. But we want, you know, more, we don't want to tie it in to be just 11 to 10. Right.

And the reason I'm suggesting that we get it out to both you and the sheriff simultaneously is because my understanding is you want the Park Ranger program to start. They're planning on starting August 27th. We could have this on your August 25th meeting. I'm not sure if the sheriff's going to go out on a limb with us and begin hiring these folks in anticipation of it being approved, but then they could be on the ground two days later if you want to go down that path. If not, we could walk it a little slower.

No, that's good. We need to get going.

Is that realistic with the body cam requirement? It seemed to be pretty non-negotiable.

Well, I think what we're going to find out is we'll send it to the sheriff. They'll have their response. And when it comes back to you next week, you will have the red line version we proposed and anything that they did not accept will be highlighted. And then you can vote on essentially a clean contract.

Okay.

That has everything that you suggested other than the things maybe they didn't agree with.

okay thank you thank you all right it is now and thank you very much thank you very much thank you one of the things i had brought up was suggesting that we had like to have an exhibit for the park rangers it was an exhibit for the regular officers and that have included the stuff about the alcohol and the enforcement um in the downtown as well as um Some of the other stuff that we brought up, it just doesn't apply to the park rangers. It applied to everything overall. We wanted those things specifically called out. One of the ones was also the illegal food vending.

Those are all ordinances.

Just like the rest, it was requested that it be specifically called out as part of the duties.

I don't see any reason. Yeah, I don't have any problem. Why not? Thank you. I think we live without it, but why not? There's no harm.

All right. So you want me to add illegal food vending and include those three items for the office range? Correct. Okay.

And I would like to be clearly on record that I do not want city taxpayer money spent by PBSO going after food vendors. Mom selling tamales is...

i don't think that kelly smallbridge is concerned with her thank you okay we're all set okay thank you very much did you know something i just wanted to make a motion about the rest of this evening and do it well i mean we have to do some editing that's what i'm saying thank you very much i i'm going to make a motion that we if if nothing else is time sensitive i know warren is here so i would like to go over the city managers but is there any way that we can push the rest of the stuff we have to We're not, everything else is gonna take a lot of time. Nothing else time-sensitive. So I make a motion that we push everything on the rest of the agenda except for unfinished business B until the next meeting.

Second.

Let me ask Mr. Waters a question. The change orders, is that a time-sensitive thing? William Waters, Community Sustainability Director. If we can definitely take care of it a week from tonight, I think they will be okay. Okay. Okay. Good.

I'm going to be... Can I ask a question? Sure. Could we do before quickly the approval of the tropical ridge? Yes. Do we need to get that in? Yeah.

Yeah. motion to approve the tropical ridge uh scope of work second this is this is d i know new visitors for the record new business d so i have a motion in a second if you have a comment on it real quick do we have any new business yes it's right the top one on the back oh excuse me mayor on the um yes i'm fine with that

The public hearing on A was advertised. If that was to be open and delayed to a date certain, that would keep us from having to be advertised.

Okay. So we are moving. Now, I'll be appearing by Zoom next week, but I'm sure we'll have coverage. I'll do my best to appear by Zoom. I will ask Ms. May to cover for me. So which one is it now? We're on D right now for the part. Right.

Can we just finish that one? Yes.

public hearing a could be postponed to date certain of august 25th if you want to finish d and then we can go back to it okay all right okay this is approval of the chocolate do i have a motion in a second yep um is there a kaiser for any public comments on this uh yes there's one on okay oh miss fisher oh you're not on

Peggy Fisher, 508 North A Street. We totally agree with everything that was proposed by staff. We totally support what's before you so that it can get approved and go ahead and get out. We appreciate all the staff's help and work and looking at everything. Thank you very much.

Okay, all in favor? No, that's not.

Oh, I'm sorry, Ms. Mulligan. Thank you. I had met with staff and brought up a couple of things for the scope of work that I do believe we need cameras at that park. There's a high frequency of things that happen. um i also looked asked about having a fence or a barrier to next to the residence that's right next to the park if you look at the on the very last pages of the schematics there's no barrier between this person's property and the park if you look at the old bike rack it says to be replaced on the very last page actually second to last page this is on the south side yeah right here chris Right here. Did you check off the property runs right in the park?

So just something to bear. I'm sorry, Ms. Fisher.

We had asked for fencing along the south end. We're told that they didn't want to do that because it's their access to get to the big tree that's halfway through. That's the only way they can get a truck through.

Okay, well, I'm talking to staff about it, so thank you, but I requested that for privacy.

And there is a camera on site in the tree.

Thank you. I'm aware of that as well. I just think that we need more cameras at this park. Compass State completely complains about some of the stuff that happens at that park, even though we are beautifying it. So that was two of my things I was hoping we could add to the scope of work, even though it's not going to be included with the CBD. And I also inquired on the fence height that's around the playground. Is it three feet? Is it four feet? So a kid can't get snatched and ran off with.

Four feet.

Is that standard for a park? It is.

Okay, thank you. Miss May and Mr. Segridge? No, Miss May left her light on. Okay, Mr. Segridge?

Thank you, Madam Mayor. In terms of the privacy for the fence next to that building, were you looking for privacy for the people in the park or the people whose building that is? I think it's... Did you speak to the building owner?

No, I talked to our staff. I'm talking about our property.

Right.

I'm not asking for the business. We don't need their permission.

No, I understand we don't need their permission, but putting a fence right in front of their windows, I think might be worth asking them. I don't think we need a fence for the privacy of the park. I think a fence would be to the benefit of the business owner that's right there.

And I think we should ask them. I even said hedges, something for privacy.

I know, but I'm just looking at it and I know that building. That is one of the primary sources of light. I'm not opposed to it. They may actually want it. I just think it'd be courteous to check in with them. I am all for it if they want it. If they don't want it, I'm not for it.

i second commissioner segerich's motion i think it's just a good idea because that building is very close to it doesn't have a lot of windows and check in with them yeah but it's the building is right next to it so i'm sorry madam mayor what was the motion

i've given i have a motion by the vice mayor and commissioner maliga to approve to approve it to approve the scope of work i don't have any amended motions or anything you did not there was a comment by miss malega about having the cameras i think miss fisher addressed there is one camera you want more cameras i would like there's one camera over by the tree there's not a consistent camera that's at that park compass has a lot of problems with the park

um and unscrupulous things that happen i can't believe that happens right across from pbso the fence height staff addressed and the fence i think of some kind of barrier between the residents and and the children who are at play is important between the house i don't want oh sorry miss may i don't want to change the scope of this because it's the cdbg i think we can add a camera later on from because otherwise this isn't going to go through it's going to have to go back it was an add-on

i understand but we can't do an add-on to this project because then it has to go back to the county so let's just let this go through exactly how it is and we can put up a camera after okay that's not what assistant interim directs whatever tiana said so well it's been going every time we've changed this it has to go back so i'm not saying that we don't need a camera i'm saying let's just get this through so they can get some swing sets get some done okay all right so mr mcboy

So camera is not part of the thing? No, we'll do it later.

Okay. I just want to guarantee that we, whoever puts the camera, whoever operates the camera, that we know where that data is going and not going.

Thank you. Okay. All in favor? Aye. Thank you very much. Okay. Now we're going to go back to.

I'm sorry, Madam Mayor. We had a motion, but I didn't hear a second to move all the items except unfinished business B to September 25th. Is there a second and a vote on that?

Who did second it?

Nobody did.

We're moving everything to the next meeting.

We didn't vote.

Well, actually, before that, I believe there has to be a motion to table or to delay public hearing A and pick it up at the next available meeting.

We have to open up public hearing.

We have to open up.

been delayed so motion to approve public hearing a second no no no she has to open it the ordinance we have to open the public hearing right okay all right um public hearing a ordinance number 20 2609 please read by title

this is ordinance 20 2609 an ordinance of the city of lake birth beach florida amending chapter 23 land development regulations article 1 general provisions division 2 definitions section 23.1-12 definitions amending and adding definitions article 3 zoning districts division 1 generally section 23.3-6 use tables amending the use tables for various zoning districts and article 3 zoning districts section 23.3-9 mh mobile home residential paragraphs a and b section 23.3-10 mf20 multifamily two-family residential paragraph b2e section 23.3-11 mf30 medium density multifamily residential paragraph b2k section 23.3-12 mf40 high density multifamily residential paragraph b2k Subsection 23.3-13A MUE Mixed Use East. Subsection 23.3-16A MUFH Mixed Use Federal Highway. Subsection 23.3-17A MUDH Mixed Use Dixie Highway. Subsection 23.3-18A MUDH Mixed Use, oh, sorry, that should be, yeah, so Mixed Use West. and article 4 development standards subsection 23.4-25b micro units to amend language consistency and providing for several ability complex codification and effective change motion to table to um august 25th my mr mcboy all in favor aye aye is that okay elizabeth yeah it's a dirt state certain Yeah, you should, date and time certain is preferable. So it would be at the city, regular city.

At the regular city commission meeting of October. I keep saying October, August 25th, 2026. Thank you.

I amend my motion to that. You amend your second. Yes. Okay. Thank you. My second, sorry.

Okay.

Starting to run out of speed.

Wait, we didn't say all in favor. Aye. Aye. All right, Warren.

I'm sorry. Now we need the motion to, or.

to move all the other items uh the motion was made by the vice mayor i don't have a second or a vote i'll second that one too mr mcvoy has seconded it and are these all going to the next agenda these we don't have to when but right correct next available date let's see it's pretty crazy right now i'm gonna be gone

I got you. I got you, girl. Okay, so we have a motion and a second. We just need a vote.

Madam Mayor, we need a vote.

All in favor? Aye.

Thank you.

Okay, now we are here on the city manager issue. Come on up. Good morning, and thank you for your patience. We have okay, let's keep an eye that we have 1060. It's 10.

We have.

I'm sorry.

We have Ramsey comment and Jenny and she left.

So we just have Ramsey. We have to keep our we have to, if it's gonna be an interesting, you know, project, but if we may just have to forfeit, comment, public comment. It doesn't end at 11 anymore. What? it ends at 11. no as long as you take up your last oh the last oh goody yeah we're only not doing anything else so we're clearly starting before 10 45. all right good evening back to here I hope you're not planning on going home tonight good smart guy Okay, you need to put the microphone on and you need to speak real loudly.

Okay.

All right, Madam Mayor, members of the commission, you have the report that we gave to you. And there's basically the objective for today is three items. One is to rank and pick up to six finalists for the city manager recruitment. Second is to pick dates for the finalist interview process and recommending two days consecutive for that. And then third is the process that we laid out within the memo. Just having general agreement on that doesn't require a vote. But I can go over that with you all very quickly. And so the recommended process on the two day is to have each finalist will meet individually with the staff leadership team. Each finalist participate in an individual interview. With each commission member, each finalist given a guided tour of the city, each finalist take part in a community meet and greet event where candidates will greet citizens and then rotate to a series of six tables to meet informally with small groups of citizens. They rotate every 15 minutes until all finalists have met with all six tables. then each finalist participate in a public interview before the full city commission we did a similar process with the city of sarasota that worked out very successfully and it did require a full two days not all of those two days are spent on y'all's time but the candidates would be basically busy for those two day period um and so that's the uh the three items that we have here and be obviously be willing to answer any questions that y'all have and then lastly um you know the process that i was suggesting uh to get to we have 10 candidates i sent an email earlier today sherry matthews has withdrawn she's taken another position but the other 10 um still exist in the um as candidates for y'all to choose from on finalists and so my recommendation was to have you all rank your candidates one to six one being the highest six being the lowest and see if we can get to consensus through that process you can make a suggestion

I understand your process. Generally, we've done this before with different boards and stuff. And just for the community as well to kind of understand, can we flip that and do it six is our highest, one is the lowest so that our number one gets six points, the more points you get, the more that's, no, I can't. That's the first thing.

I think that's a good suggestion.

And the second thing is when you call the candidates, are you going to say you're one of the six finalists or you're the second finalist or does it matter what order they go in?

The ranking is completely thrown out once you pick the finalists. So there is no advantage to being the one that got the highest vote.

As long as the top six are six and they go back to equal playing field.

Absolutely.

Okay. I just want to make sure that that was understood.

Yeah, and then lastly, I just wanted to add one other thing just to make sure we're all on the same page. Generally speaking for interviews such as this, just make sure the city understands that y'all would be picking up the expense for their travel for that. And then we also do that. i i will be happy to do that and then put an expense reimbursement um and then secondly that uh we also do recommend that we encourage or allow them to bring any spouses partners important people important person one person in their life one hotel room Yeah, they have to stay together.

Because some of these people might like a nice little fortification for the family of five.

We're not trying to do that. What we want to make sure is that if you all love them, you want to hire them, that they have seen the area, they're ready to make a decision as opposed to either saying yes and then finding out six months later they don't want to be here. Or secondly, that the other decision-maker within their household did not end up liking the choice, and that makes for a short tenure. So I just recommend allowing that. Basically, all it comes down to is extra, potentially, airfare that wouldn't impact a rental car or a hotel room. So it should be a small cost, but I think there's a lot of value in it.

Does it cover meals?

Most times they don't ask for reimbursement on that, but I think...

you know yeah they sometimes will ask for it and it's not a big deal okay but all right so um it seems as though why don't we um just just a suggestion just write down your list and see just write down your list and see who makes the the first um let's see if we have any consensus on the sense let's just write down your six feet i think we need to rank them i think we just need to have one through six right they'll be the finalists

we'll see what the list comes out to it's the highest voters down the road yeah and we announce it yeah just announce them and then whoever the top six are is six so you'd be done with it so six is the highest yes six being the highest and one being the lowest and then just just pick six out of the ten with sherry matthews no longer being an option