City Council - Regular Meeting

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I'd like to call to order the uh May 25th, 2026 Hutcherson City Council meeting. Uh Mary, call roll. Truan here. Garza here. Goss here on May 5th. Thank you. Here. Mayor here. Pledge of allegiance.

I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Um, just a reminder to make sure you silence your phones uh before we begin. Um, then I'm going to ask Victor Half Moon if he would come up and uh give us the prayer. The young lady fixed the clock over there. Now I've got to shorten my prayer by four minutes. Let's pray. Father, it is a privilege to come before your throne of grace this evening knowing that we may only do that through Jesus Christ alone who is the way, the truth, and the life. Lord, we lift up each one of these council members this evening and ask you to pour out your wisdom in abundance upon them. Uh help them to clothe their words, Lord, with gentleness and season them with grace. Give them direction and help them to seek what is best for this city and its residents. Lord, you know the needs of each person here tonight, and I ask you to meet them in abundance according to your perfect will and timing. And we ask these things in the name of our savior Jesus Christ. Amen.

Amen. Thank you, Victor. Uh Mary, next item. Item number four, approval of the proposed agenda. Um any council members have any amendments or um additions, removal, or reordering of items on this uh or any questions or comments? I propose that we move item 6 C out of the consent agenda.

This is the approval of the proposed Zimmerman Hutchinson Park building permit and tap fee reduction. And the reason for moving it is simply that I know that each of us was approached before the meeting and given um some information and it seems worth discussing in the public forum. Okay. Where do we do you have a particular place you want to move it to? I believe it would be new business. Okay. So, we'll move 6 C to new business. Um,

where is this at? You talking about? It's in the consent agenda. It's a 6C Zimmerman um housing edition. Okay, gotcha. Okay. Um, anything else? Did I make Did I say Did I make a formal motion or did I just say I'd like to move it? Uh, you just said it like you. Okay. I move to move item 6 C to new business. I will second that. Truan, yes. Garza, yes.

Goss, yes. Fast, yes. Mayers, yes. Anything else in the consent agenda? If not, I'm looking for a motion. Move to approve the consent agenda. I will second. Yes. Garza. Yes. Gosh. No, this should be the proposed agenda. Do what? Oh. Oh, sorry. Sorry. The proposed agenda. Sorry. I spoke out of turn. We'll wait until it comes up on the agenda.

I move to approve the proposed agenda as as presented or as amended. I'll second that. Truan, yes. Garza, yes. Goss, yes. Fast, yes. Maggers, yes. Next item. Item number five, petitions, remmonstrances, and oral communications from the audience.

Good evening, Mayor Council. I was asked to I'm Cody Smith, assistant city attorney. I was asked to uh briefly go through chapter 2 rules governing public comment um and make a few clarifications. Um clarify what it means for remarks to be addressed to the governing body as a whole within that basic rules and the current code is a person must first be recognized by the presiding officer before he or she sees they should come to the microphone state name and address identify the subject discussed and state whom the speaker represents if they are appearing in a representative capacity those remarks are limited to five minutes additional time by majority the governing body and those remarks are to be addressed to the governing body as a whole which I'll speak to briefly here in a moment. No person other than the governing body and the person having the floor may enter into a discussion without permission of the presiding officer. No question may be asked of the governing body member or staff member without the mayor's permission to do so. and the mayor may require a spokesperson group in order to avoid repetitive presation. Essentially what the presiding officer's role here is to essentially what the presiding officer role here is to preserve order. So let's talk about the meaning of address to the governing body as a whole. U this is best understood as a rule about the manner of address not about um essentially the content of what the speaker is speaking about. Speaker should address the marks to the council as a body rather than try to directly debate anyone and this also holds true to any staff members and even

to to other members of the audience. purpose of public comment is for the person to to come up here, give their comment to uh the council as a whole. Um, and that's that's basically it's not a it's not a debate time. It's not a discussion time. Um, Kansas Open Meetings Act does not require public comment at meetings. Um, it's it's an open meeting for the public to be uh to appear at and and observe. But with that said, I think it is good practice and cities always follow this to to have a public comment portion so that it does provide a convenient perhaps more convenient mode for citizens to to express uh their thoughts and opinions on certain topics to to govern. So, with that said, in terms of addressing, um, again, it doesn't it doesn't speak to the content. Um, it speaks to who the person is talking specifically to. Um, so they can talk about specific council members. They can't talk about, you know, specific people in general as long as it's tailored, of course, to city business. There's there's no right to come up and talk about someone who doesn't have any particular city business. So essentially the rule doesn't mean the speaker is prohibited from criticizing or disagreeing with anyone in general. So what the presiding officer which is generally the mayor unless the mayor is absent um ha has the the uh duty to enforce recognition for speaking use of microphone and speaker identification requirements five minute time limit remarks to be addressed to the governing body as a whole um and prohibition on direct discussion or questioning without permission.

I think general public comment should be should ordinarily be a time just for to like I said to receive comment. Um council members should be cautious about engaging um into debate. I think those those times are are more appropriate for when a public hearing is set on a particular matter. Um oftent times statute does require public hearings for uh for certain items and those are the moments where public discussion is encouraged. um the and they're specifically tailored for that and of course there's different rules that that apply to that. Um here we want to make sure we're applying the proper rules to the proper setting. So in closing um I do believe chapter two already gives the city meaningful authority to to conduct orderly meetings. Um and if these procedures are enforced um you know time after time enforced um applicable to all uh people who come up here and speak, it'll help preserve the quorum. It'll help preserve order uh throughout the meeting. Um and it'll still give folks that opportunity uh to to let you all know what they think about particular items going on at the city. So with that said, um I'd be happy to stand for any questions you may have. I have a question. So in chapter 2 it mentions um under section 2-209 duty to pass ordinances section F um procedure and that's where it gives us the five minute mark. So, is a person able to come up and speak for 5 minutes in um petitions or monstrouses and oral communications and then 5 minutes at every single item or would the additional five minutes require council approval for the second and subsequent

um speeches, remarks? And that's I'm I'm actually working on, like I said, I believe chapter 2 does contain everything we need. Um, however, I do think we could we could make some revisions to that to to make things a little more clear. Um, and to address some practices that I think um, the city has developed over time that maybe didn't quite make it into um, chapter 2. I don't I don't think that particular section that you cited um has been amended in in a while. Um and so that particular item that you just mentioned the the public comments for each particular agenda item um actually in my experience that's kind of a rare thing. Most cities they have their public comment period and then that's the time for uh a member of the public to comment on on any items that are of course related to the city but then also comment on anything that's on the agenda later um that they want to voice their opinion on. Um, I know here just from the time I've been here and just from from being a citizen here that um the city does does it to where they open up public comment to for for each individual agenda item. That's that's nowhere in chapter 2 um specifically. So, it's really comes down to then there's the general rule in chapter 2 that says you all as a council um may may essentially decide on um on rules and matters of order for the meeting. So, that is something that has been done um obviously in the past. Um it's not something that's required. So, I think the answer to your question really is it's it's up to the council um up until a point we want to codify something in chapter 2. Um I know as a matter of practice that's how it's been done. Um

but in terms of whether or not you want to apply that rule because it it applies to public comment and if you're calling the the portion where they speak on a particular agenda item public comment then you could say well then they need to um ask for more time. With that said though, there's also a specific rule for the public comment section that we have um where it says they're not supposed to talk about an agenda item um during the public comment section. So, I think if you're going to apply it that way to where they'd have to request more time, then you're going to have to let them comment on that specific item if they want to during the during the public comment section. But I do think that's one of the areas we need to address just to make it a little more clear. Um and then just to adopt some practices um or change some practices that that the city has developed over time.

And in regards to people speaking before every single agenda item, that was a practice that we informally adopted when I was mayor. Um and I believe for a brief period of time while Mr. Fast was mayor. Prior to that, we did not have speakers at every single item. Um, you've been around for a long time. Do you recall? No. Okay. Like, you don't remember people speaking or you don't recall anything? What we're talking about? Okay.

Um, so I I agree with your assessment that that there seems to be unclear practices of what we've kind of historically done. Um, it looks like this section, most of this section hasn't been amended since 1988, which is a while ago.

Yeah. And again, that that general rule that you all are are have the the authority essentially to develop practices and set rules. It doesn't say they have to be written that. It doesn't say those rules have to be um, you know, put put into the code. Um but essentially it's just what what the governing body you know at least a majority thereof wants to wants to enforce you know from meeting to meeting preferably it be consistent but um but yeah that's something I would like to try to work on is is any consistency um and I think the best way to do that is to get it into some type of writing form whether it's the policy or whether we get it into chapter 2. You guys have any other questions?

How are we proceeding for this evening? Mayor, as in how we're proceeding as in we're going right into the uh um public comment section. Right. But in regards to our people provided five minutes in this section and then five minutes at every single section thereafter. I think well this this is my thought is um they could speak to the um the public comment and then if they would like to speak on the agenda item they could um but that's up to you guys as well. I mean I think I think you're the one running the meeting. The mayor is always it's the mayor's preference I think and

you know and that's that's the thing. We're up here representing the community is why I think I I value those comments. Um so I I'm okay with um at this point leaving it. I mean, if we have to modify it or to change it down the road. Um, maybe that's a discussion item for later. Um, but I just curious about your I guess your comments, too. Do we want to apply that five minute time limit to to each public comment then, including the the agenda item comments? I would think so. I think it's a good idea just to main that way it stays consistent. And I do know they can they can put the fiveminute clock. I think there's an issue if there's like a slideshow up there, they might have to take that down to put the clock up. Yeah, I talked to them. They said they could just pull that down and absolutely do that. So, okay. Sounds good. All right. Well, thank you. Thank you. Thanks, Cody.

All right. At this time, um, if you have any public comment, um, you can come to the microphone. Um, state your name, address, and, uh, subject you're going to discuss. And if you have, um, multiple people, we ask for one representative, and please keep your comments to five minutes. Uh, anybody have want to speak in public comment? Good evening, mayor, council. Um, I guess the first one to try it. Uh, Greg Darmmo, 1303 Harding, Hutcherson 67501. Uh, the nature of my comments just to show appreciation. Um, I'd like to start by saying I I want to show appreciation to all five of you on the council. Um, I know a lot of the business you handle, um, some things are are progressive and and great things for Hutcherson and those are probably the easier ones, but there's a lot of things that are tough to handle. Um, with with you all living in the city, um, you have neighbors or or friends or, you know, relatives and some things may affect them. you may have uh things that you or your family's involved in and and it may be something that comes up for the council and it even makes it tougher, you know, with uh making sure there's not a conflict of interest and all that stuff. So, I did want to show appreciation for um all the work you guys do. I know you probably don't get much thanks for a lot of the work you do, but it is appreciated that the harder things we need to maintain to keep our city, you know, where we are or even, you know, make it the best we can. And and I think all five of you do a great job of doing that. We're trying to make it the best we have. And um moving forward, I think I know there's probably some things that are in the works that are going to be great for Hutch that haven't been let out to the public yet, but um I'm looking forward to hearing

about all that stuff. Um I've been a resident of Hutch since 1976 and I've been a employee for the city of Hutch since 2002, so um I'm pretty vested in the city, too. Um I'd also like to thank our city manager. He's just passed his two-year mark as of this last month. And uh in in my experience with the city, I've seen nothing but great things. Um from working in the trenches with a lot of the employees, uh the the morale is is turned around 180 degrees. Um when I first got on the city, it was uh you know, you might hear somebody say, "Hey, there's an opening at the city. You need to get your application in." And then we got into a time period where it's like, you know, somebody say, "Hey, you know, is there openings at the city?" Yeah, but you know what else is out there? I mean, you heard employees not telling people to jump and we went for several years with a lot of vacancies. We've got all those full um you still have a few pop up. You have, you know, people are always leaving. Uh but um some are just retiring and we have to fill those positions. I've also heard from some people that um we're looking at retiring from the city and things have turned around so much in the last two years that they said, you know, I think I'm going to hang on a little longer because things are really looking good. So, I want to express appreciation for our city manager, too. I think he's doing great things and uh I'm really looking forward to, you know, where the city of Hutch can go. Um I think it can be one of the great employee employers, you know, in the region. Um, and uh, I I hope we can, you know, get there, you know, through all the bumps and battles that we have, but it's uh, I think we're heading down the right path now. So, thank you.

Thanks, Greg. Anyone else?

Hi. Good evening. I'm Melinda Jarrett, 402 East 18th. I'm the owner of Sugartime Confections. I've personally spoke to each of you in the last few weeks expect except respectfully Greg Fast because I've shared the details with him in the past over the years. It's wild to me at the last meeting that when Mr. Garza wanted to bring up negative business practices by Hutchre, Mrs. Goss wanted to shut down the conversation. And I can understand your passion since your husband serves on the Hutchre Advisory Board of Directors. Having a different last name, most citizens would not know that connection that connection. I stood up ready to speak because Mr. Garza brought up a personal issue of mine. However, I respected that Mayor Magers wanted to move the meeting along last time. So, I thank you for this opportunity this evening. When I shared the story about the food truck saga of last year with each of you, the mayor stated it sounded like the mafia. While Hutchre does line up with a small, powerful, and controlling click in Hutchinson, and they did commit extortion, the details are extremely important as why there was a change in the way that Hutchre handled food trucks. I was not trying to do business with Hutchre in April of 2025. I was working with the YMCA. I made a public post that my friend and I would be down at the soccer field at Harvey and Plum right across Kerry Park with her food truck. Hutchre contacted the YMCA and told them that we could not be there unless we signed a contract to pay in 15% of our sales. After a lot of phone calls and a lot of frustration, we agreed to sign the contract and I asked for a meeting with the city manager. Yes, my issue was resolved in 24 hours and that's exactly what Stacy wanted to um Stacy Goss wanted to point out that it has been resolved and just wants to shut that down and it was resolved

because it was illegal. I did not make a public comment. I didn't post in regards to my issues. I didn't become a keyboard warrior about it and yell victory was made. However, I am now because many want to cover up the fact that it was by definition extortion because the city does not even own the land at Harvey and Plum outside of Kerry Park. I thought Hutchre just had a leadership issue. I met the director in May of 2018 when he personally came to my shop because I was very upset with the change in structure for Third Thursday. I was told that they planned to have a food truck vendor night once a year in May and they were going to move it to fifth in Maine. At that time, I was more upset that they called food trucks from out of town. I stated that Third Thursday was for businesses in downtown Hutchinson. And that is when the director stated, and I quote, "Third Thursday has nothing to do with you. It's an event that happens to be on your street. I can pick up that event and move it anywhere in Hutchinson." When I pleaded that he would not make a business decision that would have negative impact on my business, he stated, and I quote, "It's not my job to bring you business." Two subsequent meetings with Hutchrev invited downtown businesses to give input on Third Thursday. It was met with the summary that it was his way or no way. Again, I thought it was a leadership issues in all these years, but the citizens of Hutchinson need to take a deep dive into the structure of Hutchre. You have a director that serves as the acting CEO, CFO, COO, CTO, CIO, CMO, CAO, CHRO, and also the CLO. If you want to look those up or I'll be happy to spell them out for you because he just oversees all of it. I guess that explains why his salary is higher than the governor of Kansas. That's a lot of responsibility for a director, but it also he also serves as a treasurer for the Hutchinson

Recreation Foundation Board, for which I'm trying to understand how that's even acceptable. I've always said I do not understand why we're spending money on studies when educated individuals can come to the table and make decisions. However, I'm learning that all these processes and why we have to sometimes take this path to get the change that's needed. I happen to be a proud graduate of the Barton School of Business at Witchaw State University. And if they do the study, I promise the first gasp will be when they're given the business structure because it leads to an increased fraud and misappropriation risk. And it's just the perception that matters when one's integrity is questioned. In closing, I and many others will not let this these talks stop. All my issues since 2018 have only been conversations without accountability. Except when I spoke to the city manager. And I do want to tell you that when I spoke to him, I was made to feel the most important person in the room. And I was given time without him one time looking at his watch. He listened to everything intently and took everything I had to say at heart. So I I just want to give a lot of respect to that. I appreciate that and I appreciated his time in that. as more facts are presented to you. I'm just asking what action you plan to take. I feel insulted when one of you said it takes it may take years. Well, if it will not take years if this council will demand the changes that are warranted and do the right thing without bias. Thank you.

Thank you.

Anyone else want to speak in public comment? All right. If not, Mary, next item. Item number six, consent agenda. All right. So, this is the consent agenda. Sorry, I messed up on the first one. So, um if you uh any questions or comments on the consent agenda? I move to approve the consent agenda and authorize the mayor to sign. I'll second. Yes. Yes.

Um, this would be the consent agenda including just 6A and 6B. Is that correct? Yes, that's correct. Yes. Meers. Yes. Item number seven, ordinances and resolutions. A consider a resolution to set public hearing on advisability of the Meadows on Monroe Rural Housing Improvement District RHID.

Good evening, Mayor and Council. Matt Williams, director of community development. Tonight, I have for you a resolution scheduling a public hearing for the Meadows on Monroe RHID. In November of 2025, council adopted a resolution finding based on the 2024 housing needs assessment that there is a shortage of quality housing in Hutchinson and that additional incentives are needed to encourage housing development. The resolution proposed establishing an RHID pursuant to the Kansas Reinvestment Housing Incentive District Act and was submitted to the Kansas Secretary of Commerce for review. The secretary approved the Meadows on Maro RHID on January 7th, 2026, and we've been working with the developer on uh an agreement since then. The development plan includes 57 single family homes consisting of two to five bedrooms and two bathrooms. The only action before the governing body at this time is to set the date for the required public hearing to consider the adoption of the plan. Eligible cost costs are expected to be reimbursed to the developer from the RHID tax revenues under a future development agreement. With that, staff recommends council adopts the resolution and schedule a public hearing for June 16th to consider the RHID. I'd be happy to answer any questions on that.

I had a question about the development plan. Um, so because this includes approving the development plan, correct? This that will be at the public hearing. Tonight is just scheduling the hearing. Okay. So, development plan questions should hold off. Yeah, let's hold off on those until we have Emma Kate here to help us and the developer at the public hearing. Council have any other questions? Um, if not, I'd be looking for a motion.

I'll make a motion to approve a resolution to set a public hearing on advisability of the rural housing improvement district and authorize the mayor to sign. Um, just um you put the date in there. I did not. Um, June 16th. June 16th of 2026. I'll second that. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Item 7B, consider resolution to set public hearing on advisability of the Landmark Community Improvement District C.

Angela Richard, director of finance. Mayor Landmark LLC owners of 501 North Main have petitioned for a 2% CD for up to 1.5 million or 22 years, whichever comes first. This is part of a over $21 million project and just part of their financing mechanisms for the project. Um, this motion today is just to set the public hearing for the CI creation. If approved, the CD would go into effect October 1st, 2026. Um, so we're recommending that you approve the resolution to set the C hearing June 2nd at 5:30 or soon thereafter. Um, council have any questions? I would move to approve a resol resolution to set a public hearing on June 2nd on advisability of the landmark community improvement district and authorize a marriage sign.

I'll second it. Tran, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Item number 7 C. Consider a resolution fixing a hearing date and time for unsafe structures at 3405 East 4th Avenue. Good evening, Mayor and Council. Jason Lady, building official. Uh so tonight I bring a uh um resolution before you for consideration of a resolution fixing a hearing for a date and time for unsafe structures at 3405 East 4th Avenue. Um, in my staff report, I'll go over a few other things as I go through the slide presentation, but in my staff report, um, my staff report really gives an update from the U March 3rd, 2026 meeting, um, in the analysis. Uh, it says, u since the building officials update on the city council at the regular meeting on March 3rd, 2026, the occupant has continued to occupy and operate inside the building. Uh the occupant was previously given 30 days to vacate the property and on April 2nd, 2026, the building official extended the vacation order until May 2nd, 2026. Um, since this time also from that meeting, uh, the owner appealed, uh, the building officials official determination that a sprinkler system is required in the building, as well as a determination that the proposed remodel could not proceed through subsequent plan submittals or phase permitting. At the building trades board conducted on April 8th, 2026, the board upheld the building officials determination of vote matters. The board upheld the denial of the phase permitting by a vote of 7 to

zero and upheld the sprinkler requirement by a vote of 5 to2. Uh so tonight a proposed resolution for your consideration is before you. Uh the property is still observed to be uh show significant signs of deferred maintenance, prolonged neglect, structural deterioration. These conditions appear to meet the criteria set forth in chapter 21, article 7 of the Hutchinson City Code regarding safe and dangerous buildings. The structure presents potential health and safety hazards uh negatively impacts the surrounding area and may impede efforts to promote reinvestment uh in the neighborhood. Uh the financial obligations are really unknown at this time. um as we uh if if we went through this process of of condemnation then um that would come through bids the bid process. So we wouldn't know that until later dates of what that cost is actually going to look like. Uh the strategic alignment for this this action directly supports the strategic objective number four of the city of Hutchinson's strategic plan invest in gateways and communities and neighborhoods south of 17th Street. specifically the strategy to preserve neighborhoods through continued focus on condemnations and demolitions of blighted commercial and residential properties. Advancing unsafe structure uh enforcement helps protect public health and safety, reduce neighborhood decline, and encourage reinvestment in our surrounding areas. Uh addressing dangerous and neglect property also reinforces the city's commitment to maintaining community appearance and long-term neighborhood stability. So, it is my recommendation tonight um that council accept and approve the resolution for 3405 East 4th Avenue fixing a time and a place at which the owner, the owner's agents, any lean holders, and any occupant of the

structure may appear to show cause while such structure should be condemned uh or should not be condemned or repair or demolished and authorized the mayor to sign. Uh the recommended date for that uh hearing would be June 16, 2026. Also in my packet, um there's just some basic photos which will kind of go through most of these. Uh just kind of explaining a timeline of what's happened over the last month since that meeting and then also is the timeline for the overall um what we've done overall on this project. So the purpose of tonight's meeting is uh strictly to consider a um date for the public hearing. Uh hearing would determine whether the structure should or should not be condemned or ordered to repair. So that condemnation um doesn't mean that it strictly has to be condemned. that it means that the owner is either ordered to repair or we can condemn in the future. Uh it also provides a formal due process to the property owner. The current situation of the property is that the structure was declared as an unsafe and dangerous structure in July 2024. There uh is not a valid certificate of occupancy for the occupant to be there. uh their required repairs and life safety systems are uh not complete from when we made these orders back in July of 24th and continue business activity inside the building uh prior to its closure on Monday. The building is currently boarded up and uh all operations inside the building have

ceased at this time. Uh the core issue is that this is a pattern. Um it's not a single event. Um we don't get from July of 2024 to here where we are tonight without without something going wrong. Um long-standing compliance issues date back all the way to 2010. Uh we've had repeated deadlines. We've had repeated extensions which have not been met. uh permits have been issued without completion, without inspections, and then uh there's been limited or temporary progress, and that's usually followed by a time of regression. Here's a quick timeline overview. Um not the full timeline obviously, but a quick timeline overview is that in 2010 fire and building requirements uh were established by an SUP. Uh there's no record of compliance or certificate of occupancy at that time. Uh in 2019, Fed and Happy U and the occupancy would have changed from an S1 occupancy over to an F2 S2 occupancy. I can clarify those if you would like. Um but that was done with a unapproved uh occupancy change at that time. In 2021, uh the then building official along with the fire marshall notified uh Fed and Happy that they did not have a certificate of occupancy at the time. That ended up getting closed out without an official certificate of occupancy being issued. In 2024, we had the structural damage where the south end uh collapsed and uh the building was declared an unsafe and dangerous structure. Then in 2024 25 we just uh went through a series of timelines where we had some meetings, we had uh council meetings, deadlines were missed,

hearings were continued, permits expired. Um and then in 2026, operations have been ongoing without compliance. So, repeated opportunities for compliance. Uh we've had um multiple meetings between the city and the uh owner over the course of this year and a half, two years. Uh written notices, we've had clear deadlines. Uh we've had orders to vacate have been issued. The initial order was November 1st of 2024 was the deadline uh which continuously just kept getting extended. So we gave extensions uh provided for the vacation of the property uh permits issued for structural repair and partial demolition and those um those u permits were uh not completed and and with no inspections. and then uh hearings continue multiple times uh to allow progress over the course of these two years. So outcomes of those efforts, the results have been limited and incomplete. Uh permits expired without uh completion or inspection. Like I said, required repairs have not been completed. Uh the rest the structure today remains in the same condition it was back then and remains as an unsafe and dangerous structure. Materials and operations uh returned to the building after partial removal. Uh full set of plans resolving issues have not been uh completely provided. Good faith by the city efforts to work towards a resolution. We allowed extended timelines uh through this process uh beyond all the initial deadlines that were given. Uh we kept giving those extensions. We kept

allowing for certain things uh that the property owner we felt like it at the time was meeting some of those in good faith. We relied on u representations of progress. uh we removed item from the agenda in 2025 due to uh perceived good faith. That was the July uh 2025 uh meeting where staff in agreement with the council removed the case from any future agenda items which was believed at the time to be in good faith effort on the part of the owner. At that meeting, staff also commented that if significant progress was not made within the next 180 days, then staff would bring it back to council. It was mentioned at that meeting that the goal is owner rehabilitation, the owner uh or owner owner demolition, but never for the city to step in to perform the demolition itself unless necessary. Since that date, uh, Fed and Happy has not shown good faith efforts and just and, uh, as those items that were discussed at that meeting. So that's where we talked about things and and left things off from the uh March 3rd uh 2026 meeting where I had indicated uh to the council that the building was uh not only unfit uh for human occupancy uh but was also still considered an unsafe dangerous structure. We've provided Fed happy further time to remove the materials out of the building and that March 26 the building would be boarded up and if it materials were not removed from the structure. There is no again there is no certificate of occupancy for this building nor has there been uh since the occupancy change. So they have no lawful right to be there by code. uh they have not provided a complete set

of code compliant construction documents under one one permit to complete the remodel. It was also mentioned that they could not operate in the building while construction is in progress and that any time that the remaining items are not removed or operations are being conducted inside the building or that work halts or the port permits expire, staff will issue stop work orders again to secure entry into the property. Uh during that meeting, I mentioned uh that I think we've done our due diligence uh on the property. I think we made significant efforts as a city to assist Mr. Razer in the matters that were present uh that were passed the point of Mr. Razer peacemail milling the projects together and we will require a complete set of plans to proceed from here. I'm going to read some quotes from that meeting and this was from the mayor Scott Meers. He said I looked at all your comments as well but I think we need to just proceed with your recommendation. And I mean kind of kind of um at that point of being done with it because it's just we just feel like we're being strung along at this point. I feel like it's time to move on. Stacy Goss agreed. Uh said I agree. Stacy did talk about the possible success story of of what she felt like might be a success story in this matter when we first began this journey on this property. uh the bene gave giving the benefit of the doubt which city staff did and then uh about the fact that during the summertime we stopped receiving updates and no work was really being done out there and her final comment to that was since literally nothing has happened. Greg Fast made a comment that says we will continue the communication via letters and I'm not going to be play a fool again. We've had two projects that have gone on for eight

years and I'm done. Stacy uh commented on honestly I agree at this point I think the communication with Mr. Razer or yourself Mr. Evans or anybody in the group should not be directed by c at council but by the process that we are following it should be directed to staff. I believe Mr. Lady is that point person but it is completely inappropriate for Mr. Raser to call text or email anybody on the council as long as we are in the process moving forward. There was no disagreement by any council members and it was agreed upon Mr. Evans. Uh at that meeting, we spoke about some possibility of some weekly meetings. Uh we talked about other things happening. Uh we've seen continue emails that have been sent to the council and sent down to staff, but no direct communication with the owner themselves. It's been primarily through council members. Um and the product has uh continued to be removed through normal operations at this time and not through the masses of just vacating the building. Uh Darren Truman at that time asked me if uh he said Jason you said March 26 was the 30 days. Is that right? I said yes. Uh March 26 will be the 30 days. Uh Mr. Truan said Mr. Evans I think he needs to understand that if we're not seeing it's significant I guess sees of operations uh we're not seeing Mr. Evans broke in and said, "Well, I think uh what he just communication communicated he needs to see the whole package." Darren Truan said, "Right, Kend said that that's what needs to happen." Darren Truan made a comment that he said, "Right, if we're not seeing that, then it needs to be shut down on March 26." Darren Truan again confirmed with me that the date was March 26th. I said giving him until March 26 at this point that would include no operations going on in there. That strictly holds to the fact that we

are removing product not continue operations in there. Um the last quote that I have was from Miss Goss and it says just to be clear that if we come to the 26 and we board up the property it will be there will be trespass orders and anybody that is in the property after that point will essentially need an escort uh from the city or be trespassed. So those are just some clear statements from our last meeting and where we've gone from here. And after that last meeting um Mr. to raise your petition to council uh to give an extension. Staff gave that extension to continue uh to move product out of the facility and that is still not happened by the masses to date. So, not only did we give the first 30 days before the March 26 deadline, but on April 2nd, we gave another 30 days to move the product out of the building with an order to vacate. Just some quick photos here of what it looked like in November of 2024. Um, this is a little piece just off the west side that we're talking about. Um, this was a uh this is where they kind of churn the dirt over there. I guess dry it out for a lack of better terms. I don't I'm not an expert in this process so I don't know. Uh, they dry it out over there. But you could see the March 24th, January of 20 2025 when we came to that. You can see that most of that stuff's cleaned out and that's where Mr. Razer and Fen Happy were making the good faith effort. But you can see back in March of 2026, here we are with the stack of dirt uh back there. There are also some uh photos from April 29th, also from March 20th uh in your packet as well. Then versus now again on the conditions. These are some of the conditions on the east side of the structure, November 2024.

And you can see that the conditions are the same for increased significance in May of 2026. These are just some quick conditions of the inside the building. Not going to go through any specific details unless you have questions. And I would point out because I'll point out this door over here. I mean, these are conditions where um some of these are egress paths. And so this would be an egress area right here. Um there's some there's a line going across here where I guess they uh bring a line across to water water the worms. uh hydrate the worms, whatever. And then there's also an extension cord down here and some other things down here along the floor.

Mr. Lady, where are you pointing? Yes, I'm sorry. I can't see a pointer. You can't see the pointer. Oh, there it is. So, that's the hose right there. I'm sorry. My apologies. And it disappeared on. Okay. Thank you. All right. There we go. So, there's a hose running across right there on top of that. You can see that this is all mud, muck, um, whatever you want to call it that's going down this whole travel path that would be considered a lane for, uh, what would be considered a path of egress in this area. Uh, there is an egress door down at the very end. Down here, there's some other stuff running across along with some electrical cords. That's not an electrical, that's an air hose.

And then that's that's fine. An air hose still running across the egress path. Thank you for that clarification. And here we have uh some structural steel. This is the same thing where we saw the pictures in uh the December 200 um 24 where the structure had collapsed. Um this was part of the partial demolition. Uh we still have these existing conditions today. Part of the reason that I've explained before we have these existing conditions today is because some of this demolition cannot be done until they uh really reface that and do that remodel on the south end and and do that new portion of the structure. Um but there is some conditions out there which still hold a hazard uh to those working in and around those areas even though uh we haven't finished that work. Um, here's one of the exit doors I was talking about from one of the previous pictures. And I'll go back to that picture real quick because this is this is that area that I'm talking about with the hoses running across all just a variety of stuff in the in the floor. And if you go back to the one I'm coming up on, you can see that. I mean, you got water in front of that door. It's clearly marked as an egress door. Sorry, I didn't get that in the picture, but it's clearly marked as an ingress door. There's water all out here in front and mud and muck that you have to walk through and whatever else. This is a picture from the uh south end. So, uh or the north end looking to the south and you can see that uh dirt pile up there. So, they've also brought in and put a bunch of dirt uh back down on this uh from north to south on the dirt that they uh churn there. Excuse me. Uh, this is leading down to the basement. Again, electrical cords

leading down to the basement. This is what a lot where a lot of the power comes from or seems to come from for lighting. There's air hoses, uh, electrical cords, um, all kinds of things that, uh, I've never been down in the basement, so I don't know if the electricity works down there or not. Uh this is another portion where they have like a sludge pit uh for a lack of better terms. Uh but in this uh in this pit, I don't know how deep these pits are, but uh code would say that you have to uh comply with guard rails up around these areas. Um that's never been completed. This is a uh underground reservoir for water. um that so there's uh it's pretty deep in there. I don't know how deep to for a fact, but um but there is a number of these that are either damaged or open. So, we'll see another one in the next slide from an opposite angle. Again, there's some uh areas in another one of those pits. You could see all the areas to have to walk through out there and the conditions. And then again, you can see the beds themselves across the south end and across the uh north end as well that have never been removed from this facility. Uh here is an open electrical panel um that is active. You could see that. Uh you could see the light lighting up there on my meter. Um so that's an open electrical panel. It's got a bunch of extension cords running out of this box right here. One of these extension cords uh runs to the outside. Uh I talked with Every today and I talked with u my electrical inspector uh Michael Post and so we have deemed this as an immediate

uh danger. So, EverGy will be shutting the power off out at 3405 East. So, the conditions then and now. So, July 2024, this is where we were. No certificate of occupancy, a partially collapsed building, ordered a vacation of the property. We boarded up the building. uh we had an unsafe and dangerous structure or substandard uh building in accordance with the code. Plans required to uh remod plans were required to remodel to occupy the building and that we have multiple property code violations. So where we are in 2026 is fact that we still have no certificate of occupancy. We have unfinished demo of a partially collapsed building. We've ordered the vacation of the property which has never been done. Again, we boarded up the building as it stands today. There is no occupancy to the building. Um unsafe and dangerous structure or st substandard still building still today. Plans required to remodel for the occupancy. Uh multiple property maintenance codes still stand and uh we've had a permit to shore. There's been about a third of the new windows installed which could have gone further if we wouldn't have done a stop work. I would acknowledge that. Uh but other than that, there's been no work that's been accomplished to date. So some key takeaways from this, we have visible limited progress on the structural repairs for any code compliance for any safety of the occupants or the occupancy and no current certificate of occupancy. Uh it's been addressed in the past that this is an existing building and therefore when it was issued a certificate of occupancy um if it's never been revoked then it would still

have a standing certificate of occupancy. So I want to clarify this tonight in chapter 10 of the existing building code with change of occupancy and in 1011 it actually talks about change of occupancy classification. So like I talked about earlier in uh 2019 when Fed and Happy opened up in there it actually changed from an S1 uh which is still that to our record even during that S1 from 2010 SUP we don't have any record that they ever obtained a cert certificate of occupancy then. So even though it changed from an S1 at that time to an F2 industrial to manufacturing F2 and an S2 uh storage. So it changed from an S1 to an F2 S2. So 101.1 would say that the provisions of this section shall apply to buildings and portions thereof undergoing a change of occupancy classification. This includes a change of occupancy classification within a group as well as a change of occupancy class classification from one group to a different group or where there's a change of occupancy within a space where there is a different fire protection system threshold required in chapter 9 of the international building code. Such buildings shall also comply with sections 1002 1010 of this code. The application requirements of the change of occupancy shall be set forth in sections 1011.1 through 1011.3. A change of occupy as defined in section 202 without a corresponding change of occupy classification shall comply with sections 1001.2. So there's a lot of code jargon there, but ultimately occupancy changed and

therefore requires a uh certificate of occupancy. Um in the administrative section of the international existing building code in um 110.1 altered areas of a building and relocated buildings shall not be used or occupied and change of occupancy of a building or portion thereof shall not be made until the code official has issued a certificate of occupancy therefore as provided therein. Issuance of a certificate of occupancy shall not be considered as an approval of a violation or the provisions of this code uh or of other ordinances of jurisdiction. So even if he did have a certificate of occupancy at the time, it would still not negate from the code issues that we have on the property. This ties in with the international existing building code. Um, so a a lot of a lot would talk about, well, how's how's it tied the existing building code tie into the building code? Because the existing building code is for old buildings, those existing buildings, right? Where the building code is for new buildings? Well, not necessarily because 111.1 says a change of occupancy, a building or structure shall not be used or occupied. and a change of occupancy of a building or structure or portion thereof shall not be made until the building official has issued a certificate of occupy therefore as provided there in. So again that in the administrative section of the IBC it specifically calls out a change of occupancy. So why this action is needed? public safety and compliance. Uh unsafe structures. Um this is still an unsafe structure. It

still remains an unsafe structure. Um but it is closed by the city um at this point to remediate anybody going into that building uh to be put in harm's way. Uh life safety systems are still not installed and operational. The continued occupancy creates risk to occupants and emergency responders. Prior extensions have not uh have not resulted in any compliance to date. What this action does uh this action sets a public hearing. It initiates the formal unsafe structure process. It provides the property owner an opportunity to present information, demonstrate a compliance plan, and allow the council to take actions based on those findings. Uh like I said in the beginning, this is this has been a repeated process. Uh we didn't get here today by accident. So what has happened repeatedly? Deadlines have been set and not met. Time has been extended through the course of those actions. Partial accidents been taken but there's been regression. uh work stops and reverses and then unsafe conditions have remained within the facility without the order of vacation ever being complied with. So again, staff's recommendation tonight is recommended the city council accept and approve the resolution fixing a time and place uh for a hearing regarding the structures at 3405 East 4th Avenue in Hutchinson, Kansas based on extended life timeline of non-compliance, a lack of sustained progress, and continued ongoing safety concerns. And I'll stand for any questions. Council have any questions?

Nope. Well, I do got one question. I noticed the owner of the business is here. Would he like to say anything? Would you like to say anything? Yes, please. Okay. Dan, if you'd like to come speak to this, uh, just remember I've got your time limit set for five minutes. State your name and address. And

um, Dean Razer, Fed and Happy, 3405 East. Since the start of this prop or project, the property taxes have been paid as requested by the council. Building acquisition has been completed. Engineering has been completed for portions will be submitted for a single permit not previously required um by the end of the week. Over $400,000 has been spent on this project and money has never been stop being spent. This money would not have been spent had we had not received an initial likely compliant in July of 21 or sorry July of um 2025 which we now believe was not a honest representation to either us or the council. Over 5,000 tons of material have been removed. We do remove material from other parts of the building um and dry in the portion shown in the pictures. Um some immediately moves out after drying to our screener. Others gets loaded directly out on the trucks. Um in approximately December of 2024, it was agreed to not have a complete removal of the worms which would destroy their value. We've had several meetings with staff since the March meeting. We've had one engineer, We have one engineer who is extremely frustrated with being lied to repeatedly during this process. We have been in the process of moving, but will require more time. It was only recently where we did not think we are on a path to compliance. Our code footprint did not change materially from July of 25 to March when it was initially denied after several hundred,000 has been spent. We ask for continue removing um access to remove and care for the worms um until the permit resolution um or the hearing um for this um potential condemnation. The worms and castings are part of a unique and semifragile system on top of the agriculture uses of the fed and happy products. Fed and happy worms are part of a second phase NIH study um which Fed and Happy has been

working on for six years to make red wiglers which are already compatible with humans but needed to be stabilized for human use. Our first unit of blood was extracted um and then successfully utilized for kidney profusion approximately 3 weeks ago after over 5 months after the initial extraction happened. The next extraction was scheduled um or had been scheduled for this week. The current goal is to extend the life of a kidney outside the body to seven days utilizing our worm blood to help utilize over 10,000 kidneys thrown away each year due to time. The achievements and breakthroughs at the universities is is coming from careful breeding and husbandry only found in the Hudson Kansas worms. Not allowing access to worms for basic feeding and watering will result in their deaths and loss of the epigenetic changes. Um we have been in the process of moving but will require more time. Um it was only recently where we did not think we're on a path to compliance. Um um as also submitted previously um our timeline um for um completing different projects within the building as well as our engineers are still working um and do anticipate having a um a full permit um submittal by the end of the week. Okay. Um, thank you, Dan. Anybody else like to comment on this U item?

Um, not council. I have more comments. Uh, then I'd be looking for a motion to uh set a hearing date. I will move to make a motion to approve a resolution fixing a hearing date. I believe it's June 16, 2026 for unsafe structures and authorize the mayor to sign.

I'll second that. Truly, yes. Yes. Yes. Bass. Yes. Mayor, yes. Item 7D. Consider resolution fixing for unsafe structures. Mayor, could we take a Yeah, absolutely. We need five minutes. Yeah. Um, can we recess for five minutes?

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Hey, hey, hey. Go ahead and call the meeting back to order. Jason, if you want to come back up.

That's loud. Good evening again, council. Jason Lady, building official.

Uh so the uh this item before you tonight is again is a resolution fixing a hearing and a date and time for unsafe structures. Uh this is for five residential structures. Uh and again it's recommended that the city council accept and approve the resolution fixing a time and a place for hearing for the five abandoned residential structures. Uh these structures are as follows uh at at the following addresses. 315 Justice Street, 1701 East 3rd Avenue, 300 Northtown Street, 2700 Leonard Avenue, 1500 West 12th Avenue. These buildings have been deteriorating for several years and are in severe disrepair. Uh they also meet the um substandard building conditions as constituted as an unsafe and dangerous structure pursuant to Hutcherson city code 21701. So we can uh there on the uh financial obligations for this there is no anticipated uh additional financial obligations as this is already budgeted within our 2000 FY 2026 uh demolition budget to cover all the related cost. Again the strategic alignment on this meets the strategic objective four to investigate ways to the community and neighborhoods south of 17th. This action also positions the department to better support community priorities identified in the Reno County housing need assessment. So again, my recommendation here tonight on these five structures is recommended that the city council accept and approve the resolution fixing a time and place at which the owner owners, agent, any lean holders of record, any occupant of such structure may appear, show cause why such structure should not be condemned or repaired or demolished and authorized the mayor to sign. Recommended date by staff is June 16, 2026.

Uh in your packet you have u some information exhibit A on uh property photos and details. Uh so this first one at 315 justice is been vacant since 2018. Uh has a CA has case numbers on it uh for property maintenance code violations. There's been 12 property maintenance code violations on it since 2018. It was boarded up in 2025. No utilities since 2018. Taxes have been delinquent on this property since 2024. Um, and there was a building permit that expired uh a couple weeks ago on 4:15 2026. You could see some uh sightings been replaced on this. There are some new windows replaced uh but we don't know the extent of the inside of this building. There was some fire damage to this building. There was a fire. That's why it was u boarded up back or that's why it was vacant back since uh 2018. Uh the next one 1701 East Third Avenue residents currently vacant since 2019. We have PMC uh on this uh nine property maintenance code cases since 2018. Board of

Do You have slides on the Do you have slides on these? No, I do. No, you don't. Okay. Just what's in your packet. Okay. I just making sure. I didn't know if you had So, I'm just asking a question. I don't have a Yeah, no worries. Thank you. Okay.

Uh there's no utilities since 2019 and taxes have been delinquent on this one since 2023. Um the one at 300 North Town Street, again, property maintenance codes violations. It's been vacant. Uh six property maintenance code violations since 2022. boarded up and 25. Uh, this property currently has utilities. Um, but those will be probably disconnected shortly. Uh, the taxes have been delinquent since 2025 on this. And when I say 2025, the second round isn't due until May. So, it's just the first part of 2025 that is delinquent at this time. 2700 North Leonard Avenue. Uh, again, currently vacant since 2018, has 11 property maintenance code cases on it since 2018. There's a board up in 2025. Uh, no utilities before 2018. That's because the system only goes back to 2018, but we can see whether they've had them before or not in there. Um, taxes are, but we just don't know the date of cut off. Taxes have been delinquent on this one since 2022. And there's also an outstanding abatement fees uh owed to the city in the amount of $5,5128. And then our last one for tonight is uh 1,500 West 12th Avenue. Uh this residence has currently been vacant since 2022. It had a structure fire in 2023. Um it has 14 property maintenance code violations since 2017. It was boarded up in 2023 uh after the fire. There's been no utilities on it since 2022 and the taxes have been delinquent on this property since 2024. And I'll stand

for any questions you might have. Jason, what date do you want to have this hearing? Uh this hearing would be June 16th, 2026 as well. Quite a meeting we're setting up. Sounds like it. Council have any other questions for Jason?

Um, does anyone from the public want to comment on any of these uh properties? Um, if not, I would be looking for a motion. I move to approve a resolution fixing a hearing date of June 16, 2026 um for unsafe structures and authorizing mayor to sign. I'll second it. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Yes. Item number seven, consider a resolution to initiate temporary impermanent text amendments for chapter 27 concerning large scale data centers and utility scale battery energy storage systems. Refer proposed temporary test amendment to the planning commission for an expedited public hearing and recommendation and direct preparation of permanent text amendments. Cody Smith, assistant city attorney. Mayor, council, um based on previous discussion on this topic at the last city council meeting, um I researched the matter and worked with Matt Williams, director of community services, as well as Paul Brown, city attorney. Um and in my opinion, what is proposed here tonight is, you know, a best of both both worlds proposal. Um it will address public health, safety and welfare in a legal manner. Um and it also shows developers and businesses that uh the city is not closed for business in this area which I know that was um discussed at the last uh council meeting um as a concern. The action here tonight um is a process step. It does not itself approve or prohibit a particular project. Um what it does is it initiates um what I believe is a legally stronger zoning amendment path um under under the city code so that the city can move quickly on interim controls uh while still using the planning commission process as required uh for a citywide text amendment. Um, and this is of course if the council tonight decides it does want to take um specific action um because I believe regardless uh staff is has started to

work on uh a more permanent framework, permanent amendments. Um but the question is what do we do um in the interim while those are developed and presented through the planning commission and ultimately uh to you all as the council. um what this or why this option is before us. Um so chapter 27 that's our the provision or zoning code. Um it does not currently contain tailor definitions, use classifications and standards for large scale data centers or utility scale u battery energy storage systems are the best. Um, under the current code, those uses may still be argued to have some path under the existing utility rated or utility related or similar use provisions. Um, it's arguable. Um, and based on that, um, that is why this particular option is being presented. Um it's been discussed before and the community has raised issues but uh the projects can raise um you know issues involving land use compatibility, electric infrastructure, water demands um as well as uh emergency response, fire life and safety, hazardous materials, noise, screening traffic and adequacy of public facilities. Um, at the same time, like I discussed and council indicated, we want to address those issues, but we also want to to let the let let developers know we're still open for development. We're working on on a solution. Um, and ultimately that solution will be beneficial to developers as well. Um, so that we can help provide more certainty for for those paths. um so long as they you know meet the public health, safety and welfare standards that the city ultimately um sets forth. Why the recommended legal path is a

zoning text amendment. A citywide change in how these uses are viewed um is best treated as as what's called a zoning text amendment. Um proceeding through the planning commission and then back to the council is the stronger legal course under Kansas zoning laws. um as well as chapter 27 of our code. Um the approach is material materially safer than a standalone pause moratorium or prohibition ordinance adopted outside the ordinary zoning amendment process. Um, I'll say if our code said absolutely nothing on these items, um, and there was a path to argue that there wasn't any way any of these, uh, processes could be, um, could be approved through our zoning code. Um, then some of the previous options that that have been discussed um, might fit within a legal process. Um, however, because our particular zoning does arguably um provide a potential path, I think it's it's treated as a zoning text amendment and and based on Kansas statute, if that's the case, then we have to go through the planning commission. Um, so using the amendment process, what that does is it preserves notice, public hearing, recommendation, and final council action, uh, which ultimately streng strengthens the city's position if it does get challenged. What the resolution does, it initiates consideration of a temporary text amendment uh concerning large-scale data centers and utility scale bests. It refers the proposed temporary amendment in exhibit A to the planning commission for expedited public hearing review and recommendation. And it directs staff to place the item on the earliest available planning commission agenda uh for which required publication and notice deadlines can be

satisfied. It initiates a separate permanent amendment process with staff study, information gathering, stakeholder outreach, public engagement, planning commission work sessions, and later formal recommendation. It makes clear that the resolution itself does not approve, deny, suspend, classify, prohibit, or require a permit for any land use. Um, and that any substantive change occurs only through adoption of a zoning amendment. So what exhibit A does um first it adds interim definitions for accessory battery energy storage system accessory data processing/server room as well as largecale data center and utility scale battery energy storage system. It also creates a temporary interim use classification. So, new large-scale data centers and utility scale vests would not be permitted essentially in any uh residential area. Um, in other zoning districts, they would only proceed uh under a process called the conditional use permit process um through section 27501. The ordinance would also apply when an existing use is expanded, enlarged, converted or modified. So it what it also does is it preserves ordinary accessory uses. Um that's one issue that's come up with these types of regulations. Um essentially accessory battery systems that are smaller. Um accessory data processing which would include just a standard server room at a business. Um that distinction keeps ordinary on-site items from being swept in uh to to these temporary controls. It also adds a supplemental interim cup submittal requirements. So, one of the benefits of the cup, while it still

allows a process um for an application, um it also would require project narrative, ownership, operator information, and expected operating characteristics. It would require a detailed site plan showing buildings, equipment, substations, generators, access, parking, loading, landscaping, fencing, screening, drainage, drainage, and setbacks. And also would require information on electrical demand, interconnection, backup generation, fuel storage, water demand, and cooling methods. but also need to address noise, fire and life safety, hazardous materials, emergency response coordination, traffic access, lighting, and decommissioning information. So, these are all obviously areas that other communities have expressed interest in um or concern about. This community has and I know the council members have. Um and that's why I believe the CP process um is preferable to to move forward because it does address all these things and ultimately it's going to give the city wide discretion in whether or not it's going to allow for one of these particular projects to come into the city. Um and the the ultimate say would be with the city council. Um because while it first would go through the planning commission um essentially the planning commission then would make an approval either way and it would then come to city council for final approval. So what tonight's action does not do, it does not put the temporary amendment um into effect tonight. Um it does not itself change permit requirements tonight. It doesn't app uh approve or deny any specific project. Um, and it does not wave statutory or local notice, hearing, voting, or recommendation requirements. Um, and it does not end the permanent policy discussion going

forward. What it does is it starts that twotrack process. One, let's put some something in place for the interim. And then two, we'll be working on um permanent a permanent solution, permanent zoning regulations um so that we won't have to rely on just this temporary text amendment. So, for those reasons, um, I recommend that the council adopt the, uh, resolution initiating the temporary and permanent text amendment processes, uh, and refer exhibit A to the planning commission for expedited consideration, uh, consistent with Kansas law on chapter 27 of the code. Um, and with that said, I'll stand for questions on the legal side of this. Matt Williams, uh, director of community development, would oversee this process. And like I said, I've I've been working with him on it. he can help answer any questions too kind of on the process going forward from here.

Council have any questions for Cody? Not right now.

I have a question in exhibit exhibit A. It's on page four. It says it's like in the middle of the It's section four. Um it says the governing body may extend this ordinance once by sub subsequent ordinance for a period not to exceed 90 days and goes on. Um so the I'm trying to think of the the way to ask this. So, the resolution stands until it stands, but then we would be waiting on something to come back from planning and zoning before we get the final um zoning text amendment. And that essentially would be what we would be able to the ordinance that we would be able to extend or the next thing we would get is essentially the final draft of the ordinance. The ne the next thing you'll get um would be a proposed ordinance. It'll look like like I would imagine now since this goes through the planning commission um if if there are recommended revisions to that um you know based on their experience and and knowledge um they can certainly add those uh to it. But the next step would be um that exhibit would go to um what I believe would be the June 9th uh planning commission uh meeting. I think we would be able to we need to there's a 20-day notice provision. Um I think we if we submitted that tomorrow, we should be able to get that notice published on Friday, this Friday. Um in which case then we would meet the deadline um then

to to put this matter on the June 9th planning commission meeting. Um assuming you know they approve that um and send it back to the city council for for final approval. believe that would be the June 16th city council meeting um in which after that ordinance assuming again that it's approved um and this is for the temporary text amendments that would then um be published and effective then that Friday uh June 19th um and so the temporary text amendment that that particular ordinance would govern these matters until um until then the planning commission comes back with with a a more permanent solution. Um that would be a similar process. Ultimately it' be an ordinance of permanently amending our zoning code. Um in which case once that's done then the temporary amendments go away. That's what controls um and then the what to speak more specifically to your question. um that provision just if there's not quite enough time to get to get everything done in that time, then then this council could extend the period for 90 days to to extend those temporary um provisions um while while the planning commission finalizes or it could be something it could come up to you, you decide you you want to request certain revisions to it, it could go back to the planning commission. We try to build in since we if we have those temporary um regulations in place, we try to build in enough time um that's going to allow for us to really make sure we get it right on on a permanent basis um and and give potential developers really clear guidance on how they could bring projects to the area. So um I kind of rambled a bit. Hopefully that that answered your question.

Yeah. So the first So who's our um newspaper of record right now? Official city newspapers. Hutchson News. I believe still Hud News. Okay. Um it would be a little bit faster if we used our website as our official city newspaper. We do have to wait a few days to get things. Paul doesn't like that idea. We went over that a year ago. No, Paul did like that idea. The council wouldn't go along with that.

Oh, I thought it was you who didn't like that idea. You say no to everything. I just assume that's your default. My bad. Um, so we're sending this back. So the the June 9th and June 16th, like June feels really fast to accomplish everything that we're talking about with the focus groups and the stakeholder meetings, um, draft amendments, etc. Um,

council member, those those wouldn't be before the June 9th. All all we're doing before then is getting in place these temporary regulations that runs everything through CU. Then all of that stuff is after. Okay, hold on. I was I just wanted to look at the actual Okay. So, the action that we're looking for tonight does not set a period of time that this a minimum period of time that this resolution would be in place. Correct. No, all this is doing is fix

is referring the proposed amendment. And that's that's not to say that's the actual or the actual ordinance that will come back to you all. They could there could be some changes. Um but yeah, that that that we'll send that to the planning commission and then ultimately it will come back to you all for for final approval. So let me get this straight. All this talk you're talking to me high over my head talk. This is the process. We're starting the process opening door. We're not saying we're going to do this. This is the process we're starting, correct? Basically, and this amendment is starting the process. Um, right.

Yeah. What what this does, the problem this solves is obviously it's going to take some time to um implement permanent zoning uh revisions to to adequately address uh these particular projects. Um so as opposed to just trying to shut it all down so to speak um which could be contrary to law um what we're we're doing is like I said a dual path uh process. First path um is implementing these temporary regulations which is just it's basically those definitions so everyone knows what we're talking about because we don't have definitions to even address these things really um as as it now stands. Um and and then also add some specification to the cup process that's that's specific to these projects. Um includes the rest of the cup, the conditional use permit. Um and it's just that it's the conditional use. They have to get the permit um in order for these projects to move forward. And the cup process is discretionary um by the city. So that that puts us in a um a good position if say a project does come and it's just not something the city believes um it is right for the city um and that gets turned down by the city um if that is appealed um with respect to the cup process. um case law states that it's discretionary. Um so it really essentially sets a higher burden to try to overturn it because um a judge isn't going to substitute his or her um uh decision making for the council's decision making on this type of of issue. Um if it's something that's contrary to law, then of course the judge is going to be able to overturn it. Um but when it comes to a discretionary matter, it puts the city in a better position to to defend um ultimately what outcome it decides is best because this is already turning into a

big thing because this is popular all over the United States. People are putting them in and I'm already before this came today getting people calling me and talking to me on their thinking which is okay. But we're not saying we're accepting or not accepting today. We're just saying we're starting the process. Correct. We're we're we're starting the process and even when even assuming or if those temporary text amendments are adopting, we're still at that point not even saying yes, we're we're allowing data centers and and battery energy storage systems come in. We're saying we're preserving a path where it's it's possible. Um but you have to meet all of these requirements and we have the discretion and as to whether or not we're we're going to improve it as a city.

Okay. Just I have something to say to all those people when my phone rings off the hook tonight. I I understand. All right. It's like a moratorum light edition. I got you. But but just to be clear, this is not a moratorum. This is basically saying we're open for business, but we're going to control what we do. It's not a moratorium. Moratorium is essentially a ban saying we're not even going to look at an application you send to us. this says, "Yeah, we'll look at it, but you just need to make sure, you know, it it's right for the city and it and it meets all these certain um, you know, specifications before we will approve anything." Thank you.

More questions, comments from council. I do have an additional question. Um,

okay. So if a conditional use permit is applied for and is granted, granted or not granted, it doesn't matter for this hypothetical um by the planning commission. That decision kicks off a two-week protest period and requires notification to neighbors within 200 feet within our city limits and 1,000 ft within the county. So the island annexed area south of Hutch next to South Hutch, but technically Hutch um that is in South Hutch's ETJ. So all of those neighbors, all of those property owners cuz it's they're I mean they're it's um agricultural I believe all of those neighbors would receive notifications under our current rules in the state statute.

So if the cup application is for property that's within the city of Hutchinson but in that island area. Um I I believe yes I believe we do have those two that two notice both neighboring uh folks that live in the city as well as if it's on the edge up into the county area um that that notice would need to be provided uh to them as well. Matt Williams could maybe speak more specific in the island annexation. There is one property owner. Is that correct? In that in that in that island annexed area. I'm not 100%. No, there's more than that. There's more than that. Yes.

And the I'm just I'm trying to make um sense of my notes from my conversation with Mr. Williams earlier. So if something is protested, do we still have the like there's a minimum of how many property owners would have to protest before it triggers a particular action or is it any protest would trigger a supermajority to override?

I believe it's a certain percentage it might be. Is it 20%? So for a a reszoning, there's a protest period afterwards where if 20% of the property that was noticed, if 20% of that real property protests the approval of the zoning, then that would require a supermajority of council to actually approve that zoning. for conditional use. That is not the case. They still are going to get noticed the 200 feet within the city, 1,000 feet in the county, but they there's not going to be a protest period. It's still going to come to council. It's just not going to require the one extra vote to get it passed.

Okay, that's what you explained me, right? That's what I was wrong. So, the reszone triggers the protest. Do you know what does not do you know what the zoning is in the island annex area? I believe it's I3, our heavy industrial district. That's my thought. So, okay. So, we'd more than likely not be looking at a reszone at all in that area. Right. Um, so protest period does not apply. Nothing would trigger a supermajority for passage. The conditional use permit would be a simple majority. Three out of five, assuming everyone's present that night. Correct.

vote. Um and then to for it not to pass, it would also be a super a simple majority. Yep. Um okay. And so with the conditional use permit, the 200 and and the thousand foot neighbors are all notified. Are there any other um I think we talked about a newspaper um uh print requirement and that is required under conditional use permit also.

Yeah, our our process would be send a letter to everyone within the required distance uh posted in the city newspaper of record and we'll have information here. The application anybody can get that information if that's requested. Okay.

And so just a summary from the planning perspective like we talked about at the last meeting. Um if someone were to come in and get a permit right now for a data center, we would look at it under certain guidelines in our zoning code because we don't have a specific definition for that. And theoretically they could by right build a data center in some of our industrial districts like the IND the island annexed area. What Cody's put together is a temporary amendment that's going to require conditional use instead. So, if someone applies for our data center, they're going to have to go to planning commission to get approval and then city council will be the final determination on all of that while we kick off a process that is going to hopefully last less than 90 days to come up with specific regula long-term regulations for data centers. Can you talk about um I know it's in the packet, but can you speak to the process that you envision happening over the next 90 days?

Yeah.

With the planning and zoning commission or planning commission? probably at that first meeting in June when the temporary amendment goes there, we would kick off a process using the planning commission as basically a committee that's going to handle the updates uh and review and propose recommendations for the zoning regulations pertaining to data centers. So we'd probably have that initial meeting where we would talk about the issue, talk about what data centers are, why we need specific regulations. Uh we would identify major policy things that planning commission is going to need to consider. We would start gathering information. Uh looking at peer communities in Kansas, what they've done, host some focus groups with maybe utility providers, emergency responders, economic development representatives, uh the public. We would host at least one public meeting where I would imagine at Memorial Hall we would get, you know, anybody interested together. We would share a short presentation and then gather public input on different things pertaining to data centers. Then we'd take all that information back to the planning commission and ask them for policy direction based on all the comments we got. And once we did that, we'd have a public hearing at planning commission for them to formally hear uh changes to the zoning regulations. Then they would push that to city council where you would ultimately decide on what our new regulations are going to be.

90 days just feels really, really quick. I agree. 90 days is going to be hard for that. We took over a year to determine how many chickens per square foot people should be able to have. Um, and that was chickens. This is way more complicated than chickens.

Yep. And I I we don't want to rush the regulations because when we want to get them right, but we also know that we want the right regulations in place for our communities. Any more questions from council? Any uh any comments uh public comment from the um audience? Okay. Um if not then I would be looking for a motion. I will make a motion to approve a resolution to initiate temporary and permanent text amendments to chapter 27 concerning large-scale data centers and utility scale battery energy storage systems. Refer as proposed temporary text amendment to the planning commission for expedited public hearing and recommendation and direct preparation of permanent text amendments and authorize the mayor to sign.

I'll second that. True. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Item number 8A, new business strategic plan update.

Good evening, council. Dave Sutella, director of strategic growth. Um, tonight I have a brief presentation for you on the progress we've made during the first quarter of 2026 for the strategic plan. Uh so first uh the first goal that we had uh which was take care of what we have. Um under that specific goal we had 1 C pursue a local sales tax to modernize our streets, storm water, parks and recreation infrastructure. Uh the champion for that was myself uh and the city manager and the action that we took there was launch the educational strategy to educate the community on uh sales tax um uh vote and the result of that was the sales tax was passed. We also said on 1 uh I amplify supervisory training and organizational development to support the city workforce. Uh the champion for that was the human resource human resources director. The action for that was human resources launched a supervisory training program. A total of 245 hours were provided during the first quarter of the year. The sessions included leadership and mindset style and communication strategies and addressing conflict. For next steps on that, we will continue the training series. The next next training session is scheduled for June of 2026. Uh uh item 1J, enhance cross departmental relationships and employee development to support collaboration, high performance in the pursuit of outside funding opportunities and customer service. Again, the champion for that was a human resources director. Uh this

was a really u grassroots effort by city staff. uh as one of the uh conversations we continue to have during our department head meetings. Uh one of the items that kept coming up was the need for cross departmental relationships to kind of address silos within the organization and just build more relationships across departments so that public works is having conversations with parks, parks is having conversations with law and so on and so forth. Uh we launched a pilot mentorship program and this was actually a program launched by the parks uh director Justin Combmes uh in partnership with human resources. The program is between as a pilot program between uh public works and parks. uh Dave selected seasoned um uh managers and supervisors and then selected uh some future leaders within the organization from those two departments and then assigned them a mentor. Um so it's a really cool program that uh the team came up with. Um I'm excited to analyze that. So that will be the next item for that. analyze the program, the success of the program, the results of the program, and then figure out if this is something we should um bring to the entire organization. Uh for goal three, um we had do our part to implement the elevate Reno County economic development plan. Um the first item that I have to present to you tonight is uh partnered uh with the greater HUD to form a VP of economic development uh to focus on more energy and strengthening partnerships and demonstrating return on investment. Uh so the action item for that was the position was created in partnership with Greater Hutch and the champion for that

was the city manager. Uh I believe there's a higher uh greater HUD uh for this role. Uh goal number four um invest in gateways to the community and neighborhoods south of 17th Street. Uh so the first item there BI maintain focus on condemnations, demolitions of flighted commercial and residential properties. Um the champion for that was the community development director. And so some of the action items there uh the first one is we kicked off a commercial facade improvement program. For that we received nine applications to this point uh total with an ask of totaling of $64,000. Uh we've awarded over $35,000 of that total amount. Um and we're continued to analyze that program. We also launch launched a de demolition grant program uh that was presented to council back in January. Um and a residential revitalization program with interfa kicked off in January as well. Uh so far we've uh de have had six commercial condemnations and five residential demolitions. And then uh for item 4 C, prioritize downtown redevelopment and increase density. Uh so one program we've launched is the build hutch program. Uh just over the past week, we had the uh consultants from neighborhood evolution in town. Uh build hutch is a smallcale development ecosystem building program. This program is in partnership with the Hutchinson Community Foundation through a grant of $100,000 from their housing initiative fund. Uh just this past week, we provided over 20 hours of free coaching

to aspiring developers. Five of those projects are focused on activating upper story housing and development in downtown Hutchinson. Two of those projects were focused on infill housing. We also launched a 12step program for small-scale development which is a grassroots effort to build a local developer ecosystem. Build hutch particip participants receive free coaching, design services, perform evaluation and mentorship to build a stronger town and some of you were present at the launch of that program. And that's really the update I have on the progress we've made on some of those goals. Uh I'm working with staff and the city manager to develop action items for Q2, uh Q3 and Q4. Uh and really some of the work that we're embarking on is knowing what the action items are going to be for the last zooters of the year and then some items for 2027. Uh happy to answer any questions, but I feel really good about the progress we've made uh so far this year. Council have any questions?

No. Nope. Thank you. Thank you, Dave. Next item, Mary. Item number 8B, housing update.

Hi, council. Matt Williams again, director of community development. Um, I just wanted to give you a quick update on some of our housing housing initiatives that we've been working on. As you know, for Plum Creek in early March, we amended the benchmarks for the Plum Creek MIH grant to ensure we were meeting uh requirements to use the state money by a certain deadline. Since that meeting, the developer of the neighborhood has sold six of those lots to another developer, uh, Liberty Homes, who plans to start construction next month. I believe they're going to start construction of all six homes roughly at the same time and depending on the success of those builds. There may be more to follow in that neighborhood. Uh Meadows and Monroe tonight you approved setting the hearing for the RHID district. Uh this neighborhood is going to have 57 homes and it was recently approved by the state for the RHID. The next step is going to be to work on the development agreement with those developers. The developer is also Liberty Homes. that's working in Plum Creek and they're hoping to move as fast as they can to get this neighborhood going. Another development is the 11th and Hayes development. That's the one that the city owned property and we put out an RFP to find a developer to work on it. Uh the proposed RHID district was just approved by the state last week and the hearing for that RHID will be set soon. So, we're still hoping to work with or planning to work with Gar Bay Development out of Manhattan on that project and we hope to gear that up. Uh, we're also happy to say that our new planner and housing coordinator started yesterday. His name is Will Bedu. Um, he's taken over for Chris Paxton and we're glad to have him and that's going to add a lot of capacity to the department to help get some of these housing initiatives done. So, that's my update tonight. If you have any questions, I'd be happy to answer those. I have a Oh, sorry.

No, I was going to say if you any questions. Um I have a question about um Liberty Homes. Yeah. So, my understanding is that um Gilbert, right? Yep. Mr. Gilbert's like philosophy is a little different than Jim Strong's philosophy. And Jim sells a sells and then builds

whereas Gilbert builds and then sells essentially. Um, so with Gilbert Liberty Homes purchasing the six in Plum Creek and phase one of um, Meadows on Monroe was eight or 12, I can't remember. Phase one of that development. He said he said like year one he wanted to build and then keep going. Something like that. 15. So yeah, um maybe not phase was the best way to split that up. Maybe it was by they did have two phases.

Yeah. Yeah. But I think in one of his presentations he talked about the first year he was going to build so many and then just keep going as as he could. Um I guess I just have questions about the capacity of this builder doing that. He's still building out in McFersonen, still building in Witchaw. Um and and it just feels like we're I don't know asking a lot of one person. Um not to say it's not possible, but

yeah, I think that well, first of all, he'll be available when we have the public hearing for the RHID for Meadows of Monroe. Second of all, I would say that uh we love, you know, our local developers. Uh Liberty Homes is a much larger operation. Yeah. Like you said, building homes in multiple communities. I think that the pace that he builds here will not be set by how much capacity he has. It's going to be set by how quick the homes sell. So, I think that him adding homes in Plum Creek is not going to slow him down. I think it's he's going to build as fast and as many houses as he can that the community will support.

Okay. Well, I look forward to um hearing from him during the hearing as well. Council, any questions? Thanks, Matt. Next item. Murray HCL travel policy.

Angela Richard, director of finance. At the April 21st council meeting, a council member proposed a new travel policy for council members. Based on that discussion, I'm providing a recommendation and then facilitating discussion based on that. Um, no action was taken at that meeting and we're bringing that back to council tonight. Um the general consensus I heard was that city council members felt that they were already bound by the employee uh travel policy or would prefer to be bound by that policy. So based on that recommendation uh we would propose if if that's the direction you want to take that you would make an action to be bound by the current travel policy with the understanding that we are going to be revising that travel policy. we have a draft that's been um ready to take to uh department heads. That would be the next step that we do with that travel policy to make sure there's no discrepancies that they see. And then if you would like to be bound by that policy, then we can incorporate such language in that policy, specifically spelling out that council members will um use that travel policy and we can provide guidance on how they would pay for travel such as um airfare or hotel rooms um and how we could charge that to city purchasing cards if desired. Um, some of the current policy revisions that we're making are changes in how we calculate PDM rates, um, procedures to check out or use city vehicles for travel, um, various clarifications, and we're review revising the travel request form, which is what's taking the most time right now. Um, so I would open that up to discussion and if you would like to be

bound by the uh employee travel policy, then I would suggest making a motion to make that official. So if you if council comes under the employee policy, we're going to have credit cards issued to us. Um, more likely than not, what we would do is the city clerk has been um book booking travel uh airfare and hotels and so we'd likely go on her purchasing card.

Okay. And we currently don't have permission to drive city vehicles. So we would now need to be added to the city insurance and accepted to drive as under the pool of vehicles. Is that correct?

It it would be an option that council would take. I might have to discuss with with uh the city attorney on how we would make sure you're insured to drive the vehicles. Um I have a few thoughts on the travel policy discussion. Um and I hope that we can approach this as a a way that strengthens accountability for all of us. My concern with incorporating council into the employee policy is simply that we are not employees. We operate under fundamentally different frameworks. And that's not a criticism of this approach or recommendation. It's just a recommendation or it's just a recognition that our roles carry a distinct kind of public trust. And I think we deserve a policy that reflects that. In the first paragraph of the draft policy that I handed out two weeks ago and is also in the packet, it states, quote, "This policy establishes an orderly procedure, the authorization and reimbursement of the business related travel outside the city limits of Hutch Hutchinson by members of the city council. Because city council members are elected officials and not city employees, this policy supplements department head directive number one, employee travel policy and governs council travel exclusively. Where this policy is silent, the standards and principles of the employee travel policy shall serve as guidance. So, I think there were some concerns, legitimate concerns brought up two weeks ago um that can be addressed through amendments to the draft policy that I presented. I'm not attached to any particular version of that policy, but what I'm hoping for is that we end up with something that's transparent, transparent, and requires advanced council approval. I appreciated Councilman Truan's um issue raising the issue of upfront cost because that's legitimate. That's real. I experienced that barrier myself in

2023. Um, which is why I I I I believe that this matters to me as well. Um, I think a policy with advanced approval actually helps solve that problem because it shortens the reimbursement window and it ensures that no one is ever left covering costs without council's backing. the safety concern raised by Councilman Fast. I think that's a valid instinct and one we can address through our own discretion around what we share publicly and when. Um, Mayor Meggers, you shared that in some cities, travel above certain amounts required advanced council approval. I appreciate the research and it's also something that could be worked into the amended or the draft policy as an amendment. Um, I hope that we can make the draft policy more workable instead of including us into um the employee uh travel policy. Also, um just a reminder that there is no requirement for action tonight because waiting until the employee travel policy is released whenever that um comes out and then comparing it to a draft policy is also an option. rest council have a uh comment. I'm assuming you're done. Sorry.

I I would probably agree with Miss Goss on that that maybe we should wait till they get their actual policy. We get the employee policy out and we can review that and if we need to. But will we get that or is that just something that staff? not it normally doesn't go to council but if council wants to be included in it we would need to

I think the idea is that there's going to be instead of city officials like it currently covers I mean it currently that's what we abide by you're going to put more specific language in there elected city officials in more place more places than not I mean I'm fine with you know I I know you're asking for direction and that's why there's a motion here. Mhm.

I am fine with not having an own separate travel policy. We fall under the same transparency as staff and we work under a budget. Uh and we've increased that travel policy for city council over the last year. Um I'm trying to figure out what problem we're trying to solve. we've increased it because there's always training to do and conferences to attend etc. Um but if anything the increase almost makes it more ripe for being taken advantage of in that now we have um $15,000 and it used to be five. Um it used to be that one trip by one person would eat up almost the entire if not eat up the entire um travel budget which would leave no other um conferences or trainings um I mean even our um at least previously in 2023 um like the League of Kansas Municipalities trainings and webinars and whatnot. were all coming out of that same budget because our travel and our training was really just coming out of the same bucket. We aren't I think we we should have our own policy. There is absolutely no other policy in the handbook or anywhere that governs both employees and um council at the same time. And the reason she said it wouldn't come back to council is because it doesn't require approval for them to change the uh employee travel policy. That's a department head directive. The

department heads um I assume get together and and make the amendments and approve it.

It's a city manager policy. So, but I would prefer to get department head input before making anything official. So, I I get that it it feels like it makes it easier because it just has one policy for everybody. But um I mean even looking at I went through the existing policy line by line and I highlighted in yellow what what would be considered neutral or could apply to council and then in purple what applies explicitly to um employees and it talks about being reimbursed um because you've taken a um an advance. Obviously we don't do that. We don't we don't have a paycheck for um um to be um taken off of. But I I've never had a resident tell me that they wanted decisions to be made with less transparency. Um if anything, they're always telling us that they want more transparency around our decisions. And I think pre-approval um and limitations around our travel um accomplishes that.

I would like to wait until we get the uh the one you guys have been working on. Uh if you could bring that back to us when you guys have that done, that would be my opinion at the moment. Why Why don't you work on that? put the language in it that you're recommending. Staff has recommended. I think I got a an email from Cody on this matter as well. Um, with staff, that's staff's direction to us. That's what I think would make it easier for y'all. Um, I don't I don't think we're violating any transparency issues if you bring that back to us with the language in the current policy that would apply to all of us and we approve it as a council. Okay.

Would that be a good compromise? It doesn't require council approval. It's an employee policy. Okay. I I mean if if council would like to be part of that policy then we would bring it back to council. I don't think yeah we would want to approve that and say yes we want to fall under that that policy. I mean that's what I'm saying. We will make it official even though we've been following that policy. That's the direction I would like to go at the moment. I think that's a good compromise. Darzy, you have a No, I agree. Sounds good. Trin, I agree. Okay. So, then we'll uh just

Do you need Do you need a motion or is that enough direction? That That's guidance that we can move forward with. So, we All right. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Mary. Next item. Item number 8. 8 D. There's the one right there below it. It's kind of hidden. I'm sorry. water and revolving fund presentation.

Good evening, council. Evan Patterson, city engineer. Uh tonight I'm going to talk about uh city water um and how we're proposing to increase access for city water uh using the state's revolving fund program or SRF program. Um I'll talk about where we have coverage for city water within the city uh limits right now. Um I'll give a overview of the SRF program. Uh and then I'll talk about uh in broad strokes uh what our proposed plan is for using this program to uh increase the number of people who have access to city's water. So this is uh a map showing the uh city limits in red and within that we have uh highlighted in blue uh the extent of our potable water distribution network. Um, this is about 300 miles in total of pipelines. I think we have about 16,000 customers. Some of those are with are outside the city, but the bulk of them are within the city limits. Uh, and this uh this system distributes about 2 and a/4 billion gallons of potable water uh to our customers every year. So, we went through that existing network and started reviewing uh subdivisions that uh did not have access to water and in most cases had requested access to city water previously. So, you can see on this map we have a number of them called out. Um I combined a couple of them like Nightinger and Westview because they're a bit of an overlap in that area. Uh and one of them, Spyglass Hills, is actually getting uh uh water mains installed right now and they may have made the last connection today. So, uh that one is one that didn't use the SRF program. They went through the traditional um special assessment policy. Uh but it is an example of uh how these areas are gradually getting

filled in. Some of the other uh subdivisions on this map that don't have water haven't actually been built out. uh so I didn't add them to the list because that's something obviously that we would deal with uh when those get to that point. So the SRF program um started with two separate actions uh state law um and federal law. Uh in '94 we established the public water supply loan fund and in '96 the feds established the drinking water state revolving fund. Those two sources of funding get combined into the state revolving fund program. So some of the money for these projects comes from the feds, some comes from the state. Uh the purpose of this is to assist public water systems in financing the cost of infrastructure needed to achieve or maintain compliance with EPA or KDH requirements and to protect public health. Um Kansas has had nearly half a billion dollars uh awarded in projects since this project's in inception and Hutchinson has been the recipient of a number of them even in my time. I think the largest one probably was the replacement of some lift stations in town. Um and of course we're participating in the SRF program for our big uh slate of projects out at the wastewater treatment plant uh that we're working on right now. Uh we've also had a number of main water main replacement programs approved and completed under this program. So it's been a good partner for us through the years. So there's a process for pre-applying um and uh the projects that pre-apply um are scored according to published criteria um and then they're all ranked based on that score. And then KDH compares uh that ranking to the amount of money that they have for each fiscal year. Um and they establish how many projects they believe will be able to be funded. Uh the categories for scoring

include topics like water quality issues, um con consolidation of systems, improvements to reliability of systems, um state median and applicant household income levels. Um and there are special categories that apply as well like uh issues with water treatment plants or wastewater treatment plants. And then KDH also has the ability to adjust uh the scoring a little bit based on uh particulars of those projects. The SRF loans can cover engineering planning and design costs, construction costs and construction engineering and inspection costs. Um the interest rates for the loans are based on the market rates. Um and I think the last set that we got approved for um our loans were in the two and change percent range if I remember correctly from 2025. Um we've typically uh applied for the 20-year loan repayment period. And as you can see from the table, that sets the uh loan for the SRF uh rate at 60% of the market average. uh if you pick a little longer loan repayment period uh it changes a percentage to 70 and then 80% as you extend up to 40 years for a loan repayment period. So how are we going to use this system to improve access? So the proposed process has three basic steps. We're going to apply for uh pre-apply for SRF loans for areas without water. Uh and then if we get uh approved under the pre-application, we'll then turn around and uh fill out the final applications. Uh the city of Hutch staff can probably manage about two of these loans a year just based on our ability to manage uh the paperwork associated with the loans. Um the council does have to pass resolutions for each of these loans um when we apply for them and then to actually accept the

loans as well. um programs are not guaranteed to be guaranteed to be selected um for the program. We've had a number that haven't qualified and the pre approval process really cuts down on the amount of work uh we have to put in um is it's only a one-page form compared to the multi-page form for the full application. We did pre-apply for two projects um in this area uh for this year. We applied for Foothills Estate and Lake View Hills. We had looked at those projects relatively recently. So, we had buildups for uh the costs uh associated with getting water into those areas that were readily available and meant that we could make the deadline for pre-applications, which was May 1st. So, uh it's a relatively crude criteria, but we felt that it was better to get applications in rather than try to do something uh that would take more time and might uh not have it complete by the deadline. So once we've uh been awarded those SRF loans, we'll use the SRF loans to reduce special assessments uh for the residents. Again, you can get down to 60% of market rates. And there's not any limit to how many of these can be active at one time because the city isn't actually burdened. We would use the special assessment program, which is our normal tool uh for getting these projects built, but it would be at a much lower interest rate than would be available through our normal bonding process. And there are cases where depending on the source of the money and the need uh the state has been able to provide forgiveness for a portion of these loans which would just cut down on the amount that the residents would have to pay. Um and uh I recommend that we keep doing this every year until we have coverage complete within the city of Hutchinson for the residents that want access to water. Uh like I showed on the map, we have eight areas that we've identified so far. One of them is already getting water through the

traditional uh uh special assessment uh policy. The other seven we hope will be u more successful using this method. And so that'll take at least four years. There may be some other areas in town where we don't have access to water. It's not always clear on a subdivision level. So we need to do a little more digging. So the eight subdivisions without water access and again spy glass hills is in progress are uh listed up here. I wanted to give you an idea of how many customers we'd be adding. So uh in total it's only a couple hundred customers. So this is not a huge load on the city's uh capacity to supply water. Um this won't even put a dent um in our capacity. And some of these places have requested water a number of times. Foothills Estates. You can see unfortunately the the private water wells in that area are starting to um run into iron bacteria contamination. So, it's fouling. Um the little whole house filters they all have and it's probably related to the water levels in the aquafer in that area. Uh some of the other ones I wasn't able to actually find when they'd requested water, but all of these have requested water, sometimes multiple times. Um, and those tried to go through the uh petition process under the special assessment policy and that failed for various reasons. Sometimes it's the expense, sometimes they just weren't able to convince enough people in the neighborhood uh that uh city water was better better than private wells. So, we may run into the same problems in some of these neighborhoods, but we want to go through the effort of uh attempting to reduce the cost so that is no longer as big of a as a a prohibition. So the schedule um and some milestones associated with this process um are laid out on this slide. SRF pre-approval which was due a couple of days ago we've

completed for two projects. Um the uh the list of projects that have been preapprove approved is usually published in July. Last year KDH I think got it out on July 1st. So, um I don't expect that early, but um it's still only a couple of months away. Once we get that, um the SRF loan process requires that we have uh public meetings. Um I think we are required to have a public meeting and a public hearing for each of the loans and we need to have community meetings started for the special assessment process. So, that'll all be occurring if these projects are pre-approved and it'll be occurring in the August September timeline. Um and then uh for the SRF applications themselves, city council will be required to pass a resolution for each of those applications. And we'll have to have enough engineering with uh decent quality cost estimate to form the basis for the application itself, which is due in October. And we usually find out mid next year if we get a notice to proceed. After that, um, we would, uh, uh, have the vote for the special assessment district based on the financing that we saw in the, uh, in the approved loan. Um, and then if we, uh, if the special assessment vote passes, we'll, uh, begin the design for the project. Um, and that takes 6 to 12 months depending on the complexity. Um, we can expedite the KDH agency review by that. They have a they have a pilot program for agencies to uh the authorities like the city of Hutchinson to review on the part of KDHE. Um but the SRF re is separate. It doesn't take as long, but it does it does require that we submit to them at the end of design. And then construction uh would begin once we received all the permits and the approvals from KDHE. And the whole process would take 18 to 24 months from the start of us pre-applying. So, this isn't a a super

fast process, but it's still hopefully a tool that we can use to reduce the costs for some of these areas where it's just been prohibitive uh for the residents. Um, and that's it. Any questions? How about the 30th Street where Mr. Scott lives? That area, 30th Street, do they go to get any water? So, Apple Lane

doesn't and it's, let me see here. It's It's tied into the I think it's it's the east side of the Union Valley Fruit Tract. It may be hard to see in there because they're just they're just west of you. So, Union Valley Fruit Tract is on the east and west sides of Apple Lane. Um and it's one of the ones that we've talked multiple times cuz we have we have water in your neighborhood. We have water along 30. I think we even have water along 17. So, it's just it's not a long run to get it in there. But um so some of these co some of these projects uh are not very large. Um I think Sherwood Hills is another one where we have a bunch of water mains around the area and it's just extending them a long couple of streets. So uh not a huge cost hopefully um when we take advantage of the SRF program and we may be able to bundle some of these neighborhoods too if they're not huge dollar hugely complex projects. we may able may be able to bundle them in one SRF loan and simplify some of the the loan paperwork process which would be nice. Um

does their proximity allow you to bundle them or like being able to do the work at the same time? What would allow you to bundle them or not bundle them? I don't think the so the only criteria that would matter for KDHE would be either project cost or um one of their criteria when they're looking through it is state median and applicant household income levels. So they'll compare the the income levels for neighborhoods. Um, all of these are generally in the same area and I I don't have a good enough feel for the household income uh level map to know where the breaks are between the zones that might impact it. But um uh that would be the only thing I I could think of other than just our capacity to manage decent sized projects. So the um 2026 budget had 2.5 million in it from an SRF loan that the 56 water line

yes um project that is not moving forward. Um what happens to that 2.5 million that was budgeted that is not going to be used on that? I think that money if it's if it's not actually spent on a project, it just goes back into the the whatever source funds it was going to come from. Uh so I don't remember what we had that targeted from. No, you want to come up, Angela, because it's different if we if we put the project on hold versus like that one's like dead.

Yeah. So, if we don't take out the SRF loans, it just frees up more capacity to either bond or do other SRF programs. Um, there was I can't remember offhand, but there was probably some type of match that we had set aside and I don't remember where we had set aside that money. So, that would be free it up to do other projects as well, but I'd have to look at the budget for sure. Okay. So if it came from the water budget, it would go back to the water budget. Mhm. Yeah. It just probably never got moved there. So it was originally there. But if it was bonded and the pro or if it was going to be bond I believe it was going to be bonded the 2.5 most of it. Yeah.

And so if it was going to be bonded then that I don't I don't recall the match being in the I don't remember that was that was like over a year ago. Yeah.

Um, we could take a look and consider it because that would be that would be potential to assist in these programs too. But so again, nothing complicated, just we're trying to prioritize uh neighborhoods within the city. Um, it was surprising to me. We looked at sanitary sewer as well because we thought there's a equivalent SRF program for uh the wastewater side and the coverage for sanitary sewer is almost 100%. Uh so it's not really uh at all the same scale issue. Um as you saw from the the number of parcels that are covered in this. There's not a ton up there that aren't, but um it's significant significant enough that we want to start a program for it. Sanitary sewer is nowhere near that.

And have you heard any more out of the Lake View or Sherwood areas for pursuing that any further or no? Um I haven't. And those requests were before I was doing anything related to them. So I have paperwork in the files, but I don't have any idea what the follow-up was. Well, I think they probably stalled out, but I wasn't sure. So just curious if you had any more information on those. So I might have contact info for the people who initiated the petitions and I might try reaching out to them again just to just to see. Um actually, so I take that back. Lake Lake View Hills. I'm sorry. I always forget that's the panorama one. Yes.

Yes. Yes. So no, I do remember. Um so the the original petitioner had decided not to circulate that petition because of the cost. Okay. Um there were other people in the in the community in that same neighborhood who' expressed interest in it um and wanted to restart the petition, but I don't think they'd reached out to us. Um I don't remember what the assessed cost was. Maybe 19K per parcel or something. Does that sound right? Yeah. Somewhere in that vicinity. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So it's steep. Uh even if you're advertising over 10 or 20 years, it's steep. So, um I had thought of running through a hypothetical to show what the difference in cost would be for normal bonding marker rates versus uh the reduced rate loans, but I ran out of time. So, I'm happy to run that again on a subsequent presentation. Maybe when we've got uh an idea whether any of these were pre-approved. Okay.

I go ahead. Sorry. One more line of thought here. So, do you know So, these are all of the subdivisions without water. I don't know if they're all these are the ones I've identified so far. There may be parts of other ones that don't.

Okay. So, do you know which ones of these are already in the petition process or already started somewhere along the way? I I don't because there's no formal cancellation of the petition process. So, we just know when we send the paperwork to someone and they they can initiate it at any time, but if they if they stop it, like in the case of Lake View Hills, um there's no closure really on it. So, that petition may still be out there, but we haven't formally started any of the process, I think.

Okay. So, if there was if there's an old petition out there circulating, a new person could restart it or they would have to get a hold of the person who had begun it. And I don't know what the case is if there's two competing petitions. Angela, do you have any experience with this?

Okay. So, one probably flaw in our process is we don't have like a stall out or this petition's only good for two years or whatever. So, if you did have I have asked this before, if you did have an old petition that came in, we would have to revise the cost. So, if the cost had changed significantly, it wouldn't be valid anymore. We would have to redo it and then they would be back at the starting line. So they the residents went through all of this effort in good faith and then nothing could even come of it potentially.

If someone wanted to recirculate it, I would highly advise they reach out to us before they do that. I so is there a way for us to like reach out to the folks who had requested petitions over the past 10 years and tell them like and go through a process or I don't know if it's a process or an ordinance or what change to update and say that we have a a six-month window or ninemonth window or something that we have to have your petitions back in order for the cost to be valid because costs can jump quite a bit. I mean, look at gas and petroleum over the past two months. Like

the petitioners that I spoke to uh about, you know, in the last several years, I have told them if you don't approve this soon, the cost will change and we'll have to go through it again. So, I did warn the people that we were handing the petitions to. Sherwood Hills. Um they did have a community meeting and that probably is or could potentially be like low cost because some of them just couldn't afford it. So I believe that one stalled. I think I think there might be a mix of income levels there.

Um Apple Lane, just to circle back to that one, they did try a petition a few years ago and um there was like one majority owner who wasn't on board. So that one stalled as well.

And there's no way to give a a single majority owner like that less weight or I so you can do the petitions by like um frontage or you can do them just by number of lots. I would have to revisit that one, but I think like frontage or majority of lots that owner had the most. So, I don't think it would have mattered how. And is that something that's written into state statute or into our Yes.

I I think those are very good points, Stacy. I think that we need to get something when you're mailing out the petition packet that says, you know, 6 months or or whatever. I I think I think you bring up. Yeah. I mean, any professional service, if you get an estimate or a bid, it's there's a there's a deadline on there that says it's due back within so long or else it's not valid. And I think the stakes are even higher with drinking water for for families, multiple families, that we should we should revise that policy and make it a lot more clear for people. Yeah, it seems like an easy fix. I mean, from the outside looking in.

Yes, it's just lessons learned um after doing the last couple. So, and we will continue to talk about water all the time. So, there was one neighborhood I can't It started with a B. I can't remember. Jack, do you know what? Out west. You sent me a I I can't remember what it was called. Anyway, um it's not Brentwood, is it? I don't think it was way out west off of Fifth or Fourth.

Some of some of the ones out there aren't in the city cuz that's one of the ones that uh the the neighborhood on the north side of fourth or fifth uh out west. They're all on septic and so we've we've talked about trying to get them on sanitary sewer. So I don't know if those are the ones in the city or not. I'd have to northwest of guard. Oh, sure. Like I said, I I'm fairly certain I've missed some spots in my review and I'd be happy to you guys have ones that you know of. be happy to add those to the list. We want to get these people water if we can.

Any more questions? Thank you, Evan. All right. Thank you. All right, Mary. Next item. Item number eight, approval of proposed park building permit and reduction. Good evening again, council. Jason Lady, building official. Uh, so before you tonight is a proposed uh Zimmerman Hutchinson Park. It's a building permit um and tap fee reduction. So Ruben, you can't go nowhere. Good night.

Thanks. So, uh, my recommendation is that city council approve the requested $80,000 reduction in the building permit fee and water service tap charges uh for the proposed Zimmerman Hutchinson Park project. This action will support significant housing investment in Hutchinson, address critical housing needs, and further the objectives as outlined in the city's adopted plans. Uh the proposed uh Zimmerman Hutchinson Park development is a new $ 8.7 million multifamily housing project north. It's uh located at North Lraine Street at 11th on uh Lraine. It's in that I really wasn't prepared to bring anything up this morning, but if you're familiar with it, it's that triangle area over by the atrium area. Um, so, uh, the project will construct 48 new apartments, contributing to the city's, uh, housing inventory, addressing identified shortages and available housing stock, and supporting a broader community development goal. So, with this, the total estimated cost of the city related fees for the project approximately $33,255. Uh this consists of $24,355 in building permit fees and $8,855 and water service tap charge. So the applicant has requested city participation through the reduction of applicable city fees in the amount of $80,000 to support the project's uh application for the LITC funding. This is the lowincome housing tax credit. Um, and as you may know, the the LITC process is a highly competitive uh pointsbased uh federal program used to finance affordable housing uh developments in which uh it's demonstrated where the local jurisdiction um demonstrates uh local financial

support and that's a key criteria in uh determining the uh the uh funding of the award or the award. report of the funds. Uh so the proposed participation includes a waiver of all applicable building fees and water service tap charges uh totaling approximately $33,255 which would reduce the applicant's building related obligation to $0. Uh this fee waiver is intended to enhance the project's financial feasibility and improve its competitiveness for the LITC funding thereby increasing the likelihood that this uh project will succeed. Uh the applicant's request is based on the project's unique characteristics. Um its reliance on a complex blend of financing sources and initiatives or incentives and it strong alignment with key goals identified in the city's adopted plans. Uh so a quick analysis is that the addition of these 48 apartments um would directly support uh our strategic objectives with the city's outlined uh documents. First of all, the Reno County housing needs assessment 2024. Uh this project would directly address uh the needs in variety of ways. One, adding 48 new housing units to our community. Um secondly, providing incomerestricted housing uh through the LITC program. Uh this would expand housing options with enhanced affordability for workplace or workforce and moderate to fixed income households. This emphasizes the role of expanded housing options in attracting new residents to our community and then supporting stabilization and reinvestment in our community. It's also um we could also when we talk about city

adopted plans, we also have the comprehensive plan. Um the city the housing needs and the community impact here. Uh the comprehensive pan plan highlights the needs for increased market rate, moderate or fixed or lowinccome rate housing uh residential developments and supports the creation of walkable mixeduse neighborhoods. The Zimmerman Hutchinson Park project aligns with these objectives, offering modern housing options that enhances the city's livability, appeal to a range of income levels, and contribute to the broader goal of revitalizing our community. Then we look at the strategic plan um alignment. This project advances multiple objectives within the city strategic uh plan. The project directly addresses these in a variety of ways. This expands and diversifies the housing options. This project increases both the supply and the variety of housing directly in implementing the strategic objective uh as outlined in our strategic plan. Uh it takes care of what we have. Uh this development supports neighborhood vitality. It encourages reinvestment in the community and it also um utilizes our current infrastructure that is that is in that area. It analyzes and updates funding models. Uh the proposed incentive represents a targeted policybased financial tool to achieve community goals through leveraging private and federal investment and then invest in neighborhoods and community development. The project enhances livability and contributes to long-term growth and community stability. Then we have the LITC considerations. Uh the LITC program allocates funding based on competitive scoring systems administered at the state level. A critical component of this scoring is the support demonst uh is support demonstrated by the local jurisdiction

often in the form of financial participation. So what does that uh what does non-approval look like? So projects without meaningful local participation are significantly less Sorry. The requested $80,000 is intended to maximize the scoring potential and without the life tech funding, the project is unlikely to succeed in its current form. Hutchinson community uh next is the Hutchinson community benefits and return on our investment. This project res represents a targeted local investment that leverages significant private and federal funding to deliver long-term affordable housing, strengthen the tax base, and advance the city's adopted strategic priorities. Uh again, the benefits again increases our housing stock by uh 48 income restricted housing units. It increased property tax base and utility revenues. It supports for workforce housing and provides economic stability. It leverages both private and federal investment in the community. And it invests it, as I've demonstrated, it advances many of the city's adopted plans. Overall, the Hutchinson uh the Zimmerman Hutchinson Park project advances these priorities by adding market rate apartments to the Hutchinson a to Hutchinson's aging housing stock divi by diver diversifying housing options and strengthening the local residential base and given the project's direct alignment with the strategic goals and its broad community benefits and the leverage of outside funding to realize its competition. staff believes that support um that supporting the request reduction is in the city's best interest. Um I've already talked about the strategic alignment, so I'm really not going to go

into that. Financials considerations for this is just the loss obviously of the tap fees that uh we would have along with the building permit fees relying upon the long-term of the increased um tax base and and the revenue generated by u utilities. So, um, there's no upfront financial risk to the city. Um, just that we won't take those in at the at the beginning of the project and we'll recoup those over a long term. So, it is recommended um by staff that the city council approve the requested $80,000 reduction in building permit water service tap charges from the proposed Zimmerman Hutchinson Park project. This action will support the significant housing investment in Hutchinson, addressing uh critical housing needs and further the objectives at outlined in the city's adopted plans. And then I'll stand for any questions.

Do you know where the Zimmerman project uh how many points did they get on their LITC application last year? I do not know that. Okay. I don't know who you are, but come on down. or if the mayor No, you're fine to come. I'm Jeff Beckler. I'm with Zimmerman Properties at 1329 East Lark Street in Springfield, Missouri. And your question was how many points what points were what how many points were you granted last year? I believe we were at 88 88 or 89. Do you know what the next Do you know what the bottom winners were? Bottom winners were 91 or 92.

That's what I thought. So it was it was right there in that is the I know that the um the size of that area is pretty small. So you're kind of limited on how many properties you're how many apartments you're going to fit in there obviously. Does the number of apartments come into play with how how points are assessed? Not the number of units. Okay. It it may come into No, that's not true either. It does not come into play with the competitive nature of it, but we are doing 48 units. That is the most units that anybody's applying for in town. So, yeah,

four stories uh with an elevator. So um and then so last year's um we granted a a an amount off um but we it wasn't a full waiver. This is asking for a full waiver of all tap fees. Yeah, correct. Just real briefly, they do it in two tiers. So that first tier is $40,000 and of a reduction of fees and tier two that that's worth five points. Okay. And then that's what was achieved last year. Tier 2 is up to the 80,000. That'll get you the 10 points. So, in essence, five points more.

So, all things being the same, you're looking at 93 points this year. Yeah, I think Yeah, I I'll need I need to confirm that we were right at the 88, but yes. Yes. Okay. Um, and with with some other avenues that we are pursuing, um, we're trying to be a good partner with the the Hutcherson Foundation and Aubrey Patterson. I think we'll actually get over that 93. So, just for context.

Okay. Um, in looking at the winners last year, it was Lawrence Kansas City Derby and Kansas City Metro. I thought God also was Goddard I did believe awarded, but the distinction here is those are metro counties. That KHRC, that's the state housing agency as you're aware. Those are metro counties. So, um, Shaunie, Douglas, um, Wandot, Johnson, and I'm forgetting one. Um, Douglas,

can't remember now. But anyway, there I think there's one more. Those all of those counties compete against each other. Okay. So, I'm looking at the wrong list. Yeah. So, every other county in Kansas competes Okay. against Reno. Um, and I know you can't speak to this, but um, and nobody else is is here from the other project, the other LITC project. So, the assumption is that the other LITC project that we um did a letter of support last year is also competing against you. Sure.

Right. Exactly. And in our mind, like a win is a win. If one or both of you is granted um the funds, it's it's a win for Hutch. The way I'm looking at this is um if it feels like we and we'd have to get in touch with them. I don't see why they would say no, but it feels like we could grant a full um building permit and tap fee reduction to both and it would increase the likelihood of both passing. Now, a a hasn't asked us to do that. We could proactively reach out to them.

You certainly have that ability. Um I would just I chose to ask, right? So, you know, I feel like Zimmerman's really done their diligence and we kind of took a chance with staff and their opinion. Staff's been, you know, I've been working on this deal for I first contacted Chris probably two and a half years ago, two years ago. Um, so I I took a chance and seeing what staff's opinion on getting to that second tier. Um, and so that's what I did and I can't speak for why that other group didn't do that. Yeah. I don't have any other any additional questions at this time.

Council, you have any other questions? Thanks, Jason. I don't think so. No, sir. No, sir.

And if I could just real quick speak to a little bit of that. Um, no, they did not ask. um they only asked if they could use the material from last year to go forward with this year's awarding of the LITEX fund. Um but we got to remember too um I think part of that is that where we're looking at complete low income on this project, we're also looking at some market rate on that project. It's a mix of use on that project. Yes, it's a win-win if we get both of them. Um, but we also got to weigh the cost of possibly getting neither one um in in those instances, too. So, um I think we need to do what's best for Hutch, but we'll definitely talk about it as a staff and see where we land. Okay. Um then if there's no other questions, I would be looking for a motion to um approve this um reduction in fees.

So moved. Second. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Next item. Item number. Who wants to be first? Tron Garza. Frank Trin's got his hand up over there. Okay. I thought I saw that. Yeah. Call.

I'll go. So last uh council meeting uh we were having discussion about the city and Hutchre wreck and um it was brought up and it's been brought up multiple times about a coupleus that were needing to be signed and that have been kind of stretched out for a couple years. Uh that night I reached out to uh Mr. Tony Finley and I reached out to Justin Cones. I said we need to get this done. The next day, I was contacted by their agency uh with some dates to set up a meeting. Uh yesterday, myself, uh Cody Smith, Justin Combmes, Mr. Finley, and his staff met, and I'm uh very proud to uh announce that we got one of theus done. Uh it's just got to be finalized. And I think Tony can back me up on this. I think the ball. So, that was the swim the salt city splash and I believe uh probably with some emails back and forth, we'll have the uh ball field one complete and uh if everything goes good um probably be bringing that to the next council meeting for the approval and then uh the next day will be their board meeting and their board meeting. So, I just want to thank Tony and his staff and our staff for working very hard, get it done, and we can move on. So, I think that's all I have.

Thanks, Darren. Mr. Garza, I'm second. Oh, okay. You want me to go? Do you want to go? All right. Second. Okay, that's okay. I'm fine. I've been You want me to go, Garza? Are you sure, Garza? Go ahead, Mr. Okay.

Um, I've got a list of things here. The first thing I want to talk about is accountability for the ICMA video uh through a timeline. There's been much talk about this over the last month or two. Um I want to give a full timeline of of when things happened and and uh I've I've reached out to staff. I've done my own investigation. Um ICMA reached out to Enrico on August 21st of 2025. On September 2nd of 2025, during the council council comments, uh Enrico mentioned the IMCA video and the conference. Uh specifically talked about uh not going to the league meeting, but probably going to this one. um that um that would be I believe on 92 and I believe it's at the 5 hour 34 minute mark if some if want to if you want to check me on that production crew filmed on 9:24 I remember when we were filming the last scene out in front outside I asked Enrico how much is this costing and um Stacy you were right there with us and he said mid20s So anyway, the final edits were approved on 10:14 of 25. The IMCMA conference occurred on 10:25 of 25. And Enrico and I went to that and enjoyed seeing our city featured. We um that's that's why I'm sitting on council. I want to elevate our city. I want it I want the word out. So uh city received an invoice on 115 of 25 an extended and then the expenditure was

placed on the 111825 council meeting. It was approved 5 to zero uh via the consent agenda. No questions were asked about it. Uh more recently the video has received 27,000 views um on YouTube which is the highest uh YouTube thing. When you search city of Hutch that is the most engaged um video on YouTube. Um next I want to talk about Enrico for a minute. I'm going to talk about his race. I'm going to talk about how leadership is important. I stand by my and council's decision to renew Mr. Vegas's contract and all the language included. Since joining the city of Hutchson, Mr. Vas has consistently demonstrated exceptional leadership, strategic foresight, and professionalism, and has elevated every department under his direction. Under his guidance, Hudson has seen strengthened financial management, improved employee retention, innovative department recognitions, and the successful launch of key community initiatives that have been stalled for years. These gains are tangible and they translate directly into better service services for the residents, a better regulatory environment for business, more efficient operations and improved quality of life for our residents. Some have asked why leadership stability matters. The answer is simple. Consistency at the administrative level is one of the strongest predictors of a city's long-term success. Frequent turnover disrupts progress, delays major projects, and ultimately costs taxpayers far more than a competitive salary ever would. His raise is not a reward for the

status quo. It's an investment in continued excellence, retaining a strong, effective city manager is one of the most important ways we uphold our commitment to efficient, ethical, and visionary government. That's how I feel, and I couldn't have said it any better. Those are not my words. Those were words on Facebook in December that you wrote, Stacy, and I appreciate you writing those. Um, so I'm I'm I I just want to put that out. I want to know how much you're appreciated by me. Um, and and I think it is important that we continue to uh maintain good leadership here at the city. That's how we move things forward. Um those are my thoughts on that. Um data centers um I have visited two in Kansas City um since the last council meeting. Got out of my car, looked around, listened, smelled all the things. And then uh this weekend I was in Denver. Uh visited a data center in Aurora, Colorado. Same thing. Um, I think there's a very big distinction between a mega hypers scale data center and ones that could possibly come to Hutch. There's there's so many different When you say data center, the boogeyman's not coming to get you. Um, I I found it very enlightening for myself because I hear all the chatter. I hear hear all the stuff. So, I just want to let people know that that as I traveled over the last two weeks, I did I spent a significant amount of time and got out of my car and and would love to see the inside of one. Um, it uh it was it was very enlightening. So, Star Bond update, we're moving forward with that. Thank you, Dave, for the good report today. There's just many many steps. Another

step was achieved today. Southwest Bricktown Fiesta 926 of 26 is the date. Let me repeat, September 26th of 2026. We will be having the Southwest Bricktown Fiesta yet again. Uh, and this morning I got to welcome the folks from the Kansas County Highway Association to Hutcherson. Um, this morning and it was there was 200 people visiting our town. Um, again, I'll never say no when I'm asked to um, promote Hutcherson and encourage people to come downtown. And I have to I have to say the three downtown stratica and cosmosphere. We all know there's many more good things in Hutch than that. But but I didn't look at their schedule. I told them that. I hadn't looked at their schedule. But if they had free time, please visit us. And then Paul Eff and Monroe. Is that going to happen before you retire?

Got to. Okay. Thank you. That's all I had. Thanks Rick. Mr. Garza, I'm wondering what you want done at EP Monroe. Cleaned up. Cleaned up. Car's gone. Car is gone. I mean, I've been asking for three years.

Okay. Okay. Now it's my turn being semilasted the situation. All right. As you know, one of my biggest thing is was on the U recck commission. I do appreciate you coming talking. Uh people have the right to say what they want to say. You're right. We're going to get together. This is not over. Let's get together because this something you don't think was done right. You're not You're not the only one. I've had all kinds of calls calling. So, we need to get together and see what we can get this straightened out or see what's what happened. Okay? And see if we can't get a group with with these guys here and see we can't see what happened and get it straightened out. Okay? We need to sit down and talk. Okay? This is a great city. As you know, my son came for the first time. I have four sons. He's not here no more. That's the one I was ch teasing leaving. He has to go to work at 11:00. He works at the prison. So, uh I was trying to get him in in to be a a uh con city council. I doubt he'll do it now. I see him yawning over there. So, I'm glad he came. And if he's listening right now, I appreciate you coming out here and supporting me. He wanted to see how I how I was done. He said he's heard a lot of bad things about me and he said, "I want to come and hear it for myself and sit down and look at what's going on, you know. So, we're a city. Let's get together to start earning our respect back. We kind of lost respect for each other. We lost respect. We got to have respect, guys. And if it has to, we have to get this figured out to get your respect back for the city. It has to be done. So, let's get together and talk. See what we can do and get this thing straightened out. Do you understand me? U Okay. So, it's not over. Let's get it going. And as far as the G uh the uh what you was working on

that stuff there is great but we attempted that already. It didn't work. So I hope uh is great but we need to go more than that. We need to get to find out what's going on.

Rico like they said you're great. Sorry. Look at me. Did a good job. I know you're tired. I'm tired. You're doing a good job. Okay. So, that being said, you know, I say what I'm saying. I probably will never get elected again because I do say what I say, what I want to say. People get mad at me for saying what I say, but I think what I say and I do what I say. I represent you guys. When I get complaints, I need to get taken care of. This is my city as much as your city. As you see, I have four boys that live here or I have two girls that live here. I have 15 grandchildren that live here and I have to be a representative to them. If I don't speak up and say what I have to say, what they're gonna think of me, right? So, the city comes first. We live here and guys, let's get together and start getting our respect back for each other. I think a respect is a lot. You have to have respect for me. We have to have respect for our officials. We have to have respect for our council people. And we start losing that respect. We have nothing. Do you know a lot of people watch us? I get calls from people all the time. What are you people doing in Hudson, Kansas? We're all over the internet. We're uh Hutcherson as it turns. You know, they'll come here and watch our meeting. So, if you're watching me tonight, I'm trying to speak up and there's times I don't like to speak up because I got to say what I have to say. And sometimes I do what I got to do. I work um at see at the prison. I take most of my vacation to do for you. I use none of my vacation for my personal business. Every my vacation is all done by going to DC, by going to Japan because that's how much I love Hutcherson. So I don't want you to feel sorry for me. That's what I do as being part of

the city of Hutcherson. So, one last thing I got to say is I am going to have a meeting this Saturday at the zoo. Come throw tomatoes at me if you want. Please be careful with me. I speak what I say and I will speak to you, too. So, we'll have coffee and donuts 9:00 at the zoo. Be there. Let's talk things out and get it settled and get Huds back to respect. Respect is hard. All we got to do is listen to each other and try not to do anything wrong. Try to go by the law. Thank you so much for listening to me. It's up to you.

You're up.

Thanks. Um, so yeah, I stand by everything that I've said about Mr. Viegas and about his raise. Um, I've never retracted those words, but thank you for the reminder. Um, just in the past, um, how long have we been in here? 3 hours. My marriage license has been posted online. Pictures of my minor children. Is this where you were trying to go? Um my home address. Um people accusing me of using a different name than my husband. I use my legal name, Stacy Goss. It's been confirmed by um Paul Brown when I filed for office. It's been confirmed by the um state. It's the only name that I've ever had. It's on my passport. It's on my driver's license. it's on my college degrees. The fact that somebody would go so far as to accuse me of whatever that was is absolutely astonishing. Um I have no reason to recuse myself on anything that we have talked about this evening because I'm not being enriched by anything that we have um spoken about this evening. Nothing rises to um an actual conflict of interest. So, um yeah, this is just I'm absolutely appalled by maybe not in particular the um guest speaker this evening, but um the behavior of our community. Um that's it. I'm done.

Thank you, Stacey. So,

oh no, ma'am. Ma'am. Ma'am, no. Ma'am, I did not address you. Ma'am, Ma'am, I need you to sit back down, please. I I need No, I need you to sit down with anybody. Thank you. Have a great night. We We're not done with the meeting yet. That's fine. I can be done whenever I'd like. Thanks. Oh,

wow. Okay, moving forward. So, um I guess on a lighter note, um the uh this week, um is uh public service recognition week. Um so, make sure that you get out there and uh recognize those people doing that. Um I wanted to congratulate Enrico on your two-year mark. You're doing a great job and we we love having you here. you you're just um you're just a great you're a great fit for our city, our community, and um I just can encourage you to keep pushing us forward um to make this place better than it's ever been. So I just want to thank you for that. Um so and then I want to talk about the uh May 8th and 9th uh the Crown Series races come back to Hutchinson. Um, so, um, the doors, the gates open at 5:00. Uh, races races on the track at around 6:00. Um, so I encourage everyone in Hutchinson to get out there and watch these races. And, um, the, u 2, the some of these cars are going to be out there. So, if you want to see them up close and personal, uh, we invite you out uh, free to the public. uh these cars will be out there that you can take a peek at and and see what they actually look like up close. Um and then also if anyone um wants to reach out to me, I have tickets um that I'd be willing to to give out. Um we might have to talk to city business first before I just hand over some tickets. So So yeah, you you all know to call me, not email me. So um if you'd like if you'd like to have that conversation, uh reach out and call. I'll be more than happy to get you some tickets. Um, and then, um, I just

wanted to wish everyone a happy Mother's Day. And, um, that's all I have. Rico, Mr. Mayor. Yes. With your public servant week. I was told earlier that we have somebody on the back row that has a birthday today. So, happy birthday, Mr. Cecil. And, thank you for what you do for our community. Happy birthday. All right. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, C. So, sorry I missed that. Mr. Mayor, can I make a correction? I didn't know it was Mother's Day. Well, you know, I'm just giving you a heads up there, Garza, so you can be prepared. Not yet. Not yet. It's not yet. Not yet. It's this weekend.

This weekend? Yes. Or my So, you have time to plan still. I'm just giving you a heads up, Garza. I don't I think about changing my meeting to the next. Well, do you need to change Do you need to make a public comment about that? Let's make a public comment. Yes. Saturday, too. Okay. Cancel that right now. Public comment canceled for right now. The next city meeting I have, we'll make it then. Okay. I'll check the holidays for open my mouth. All right. Yeah. Make sure you get out and take care of your mother. Mr. Enrio,

you know, thank you all council for the for the kind words. Um, and I and to address the MMA video, I certainly learned um a lot. I have talked with Nick Hem on two different occasions, probably totaling four hours each or four hours total. And it it was an innocent mistake um from both uh Deborah and I. Um I I would it may seem like an elementary mistake that oh you should have asked to use uh someone's picture or someone's video. I don't know copyright law. It's not my it's not my expertise by any stretch. Um but Nick certainly taught me a lot and I think he could tell from both Deborah and I that it was a very sincere and honest mistake. Uh so I do appreciate Nick and certainly raising the awareness. Um, it's never fun to be publicly humiliated, but uh, everyone has to learn some way, right? And so I I appreciate uh, Nick um, especially with him being very kind with me when when we spoke. And I do want to address some policy things. Um, so since I've been here, we've revised certain uh chapters or sections of the employee handbook um to either expand benefits or expand clarifications of certain things. Uh we've revised our union contracts to make them fair and incorporated some FOMO things that weren't uh previously contemplated. Um, we've taken a look at our special assessment policy and to address some uh policy blind spots. And while we can't fix every policy um at once, um, one thing that I was looking at before the uh,MA video was

our purchasing policy. And I I've talked at length here and there with department heads on trying to tighten those up. Uh, and I I do want to read kind of a note that I did send to uh uh to Angela and I believe the rest of the team, but with Outlook, whenever you want to type in something, you just it gets all bunched together.

Um, but I I do want to at least read uh the email and then I can certainly offer some context. So team, I'm working with finance to begin work on updates to the city's purchasing policy and related administrative procedures to add stronger financial guard rails in a few areas. Most most notably, number one, budget amendments, and number two, capital financing or as PGO. These changes are intended to keep the city's budget disciplined and sustainable well beyond the the life of the sales tax and to improve transparency and consistency in how we make spending decisions. So number one, budget amendments uh and tightening the city manager scope of authority. And I was doing this voluntarily effective with the updated policy package once finalized and adopted. I want to reduce my scope of authority to approve budget amendments administratively and to establish clearer thresholds for what must go to council and this is the direction to staff proposed defined guardrails for when budget amendments can be handled administratively versus when they must go to city council for approval. include a clear requirement that items requesting funding not already in the adopted budget must be elevated for council consideration and supported by a fiscal note that shows startup cost and at least 5 years of operating and maintenance impacts where possible along with the funding source or offseted savings. So, some of the things that I was trying to take into consideration were say if either staff or council says we would like to do X and it costs 100,000. Well, where in the budget then we would have to identify what would be cut in order to make sure that we can

afford that project. So, it's trying to keep everyone in line. Build the process. So the default is if it changes the adopted budget in a material way or creates ongoing costs, it goes to council. Period. I want the policy to accomplish fewer incremental decisions that add up over time. More consistent council visibility on items that create ongoing obligations, particularly where there are staffing, maintenance, or multi-year operating impacts. Number two, council escalation. I want the revised policy to clearly state that certain actions must go to council, particularly new or expanded services not included in the adopted budget, or any request that effectively increases service levels beyond what council adopted, supported by a fiscal note and identified funding offsets, CIP related actions, which should continue to require a fiscal note showing design, construction, and 5-year O andM projection. and must reference the CIP line item and funding sources. Any action that would commit the city to long current long-term cost without an identified funding plan. I'm not trying to slow down operations. I'm trying to make sure we have predictable defensible decision rules that hold up over time. Number three, moving to PIGO for capital, reducing reliance on debt financing going forward. We also intend to shift toward a hybrid payo or pay as you go financial approach for capital needs. Meaning we pay cash for capital expenditures as costs are incurred rather than routinely using credit or debt for items that can be reasonably cash funded. So the direction to staff as we work on this develop a transition plan that prioritizes cash

funding for capital projects and replacement and renewal needs where feasible. When debt is still necessary, whether for large projects, legal constraints, or timing issues, ensure recommendations explicitly address affordability and long-term impacts. Ensure capital decisions continue to align with the city's strategic plan and principle that projects included in the CIP have identified have identified funding and include the operating impacts. These guard rails are about maintaining long-term financial health, controlling growth and ongoing commitments, requiring better documentation of long-term impacts, and reducing structural reliance on debt. So, the city remains stable and flexible after the sales tax sunsets. Our current debt per capita is approximately $1,375 per person. I hope we can lower this over the years. The goal is a clearer, more disciplined system that supports good service delivery without creating hidden long-term obligations. So, I've always approached the work that we do from can we keep the momentum going. And so as we've had numerous budget discussions and I was describing the alligator mouth where our expenditures and revenues just took off in different directions on how we can tighten that and bring it back to at least zero it out. The sales tax accomplishes that. But so too does adopting pay and completely reforming how we uh budget. So, as we approach our uh budget um discussions around the CIP and MURF, which I'll need some general direction from you on and when you would like to hear that, um you're going to see a lot about PIGO. You'll see a lot about um or we just call it bonded projects, but you'll see bonded projects. Um you'll

see cash financed projects. And then one thing that I did request is over time we'll show a chart of projected debt. And so hopefully we see the line go down for projected debt. Um that's always the goal. And so again, I think as as anything when we approach this um I've never abused any of the existing uh purchasing policies at all. Um there's been a few instances where if something broke um we did just go I did just go ahead and kind of authorize a purchase for that, but it was never in any large amount. um not necessary I guess I should say just enough to keep the operations going. Um so I again I I did want to touch on the on the purchasing policy that's been something we've been working on behind the scenes um Angela and I and we'll continue to work on any of our policies that have blind spots in them.

So hey Enrico, are we tasking Angela with too much? Uh I'm helping her with that. Okay. So that that that is that is something that um Angela and I have been working on. Um so she's not just in the dark. Um typically it's just kind of I assign very generally. I at least put some concepts down and then we work together on it. Um that's just always been my my style. That way at least I want to get my thoughts down.

Um so it's typically those work as like a draft, something for us to go off of. Um, I've talked with some of my peers, most notably in Texas, where PGO is pretty popular, and I have asked them, and Angela's been on a few calls, or at least a call with me for sure, um, on how they've implemented PGO. Um, and I'll probably call them a few more times just as we kind of iron this stuff out. But the we've already kind of at least anticipated this. So, with a lot of our uh utility rate increases, uh we wanted like water mane replacements and valves and fire hydrants and things like that to be able to be cash funded. Um so, that was the goal of that to at least minimize the debt that we're taking on.

See, I have a problem with all this because we hired you as a city manager and you've done a great job. To me, you're getting gunshy. You're you're hard to make decisions. If you're hired to that fire truck needs to have a $20,000 truck on it and you think it's the best to do it, then do it. That's what we I'm just telling you. I'm honest with you. Yeah.

That's what your job. That's what we hire you for now. I see you with all this stuff going down, brother. I see you going the other way. Say we want us to make the This is fine. But it shows me don't don't be gunshy. You're doing a great job. You make a decision. I for me, Garza, it we need to continue to work within a budget. You know, if we're going over budget, then we have an issue. Um I mean, we're not going to fix this overnight, but I think your intentions are good with less debt that the city carries and more accountability. I'm no problem with that.

No, no, Steve, I I totally agree with you. I mean, I agree with Greg, too. uh you know and I've talked to Enerico about this and this isn't something he just made up last couple days. We've talked about this months ago about how he's wanting to do this pay go and I mean and and I agree with you Steve. I want him making the decisions because that's what we hire him for.

Yes. But in listening to him, I also understand and I agree that if this is going to be something that's going to be a major cost that could affect two or three years of budget, then then yeah, that's what we need to hear. Stuff like that, you know, but I also appreciate you trying to save money and figure out what we can save and and, you know, change past principles. It it is probably because we as council members say, "Hey, Enrico, I want to do this. I want to do this." I mean, I'm guilty of that. Um, thankfully we got the bricks covered up on B Street. That's a good example of a project that got elevated. And so, you know, and I know we shuffled money around, but we still worked within the budget on that. Correct.

Um, so I I mean, you're you're our leader here. You do what you're comfortable with. Well, that's my whole problem. We hired a city manager to do this. He still does a great job. He's the best he's ever done. I've been there 33 years. I've been in this city budget 33 years. And we had city managers that this boy would blow money. He's never blown money. He's done his job. Best job. And we going to tie his hands. Don't buy that tire cuz you need to buy. No, we're No, Steve. We're not going to We're not tying his hands. We I think we all agree with you. He needs to make decisions, but there's some decisions, bigger decisions, and and and I trust him to know what bigger decisions probably ought to come to us. Well, you know,

I don't see it that way. I He's doing a great job. I'm I'm just being honest with you. No, I I I appreciate all the all the feedback. Um it I mean, it's helpful again just in draft form, right? I mean, technically any policy we have can be considered draft form because it can always be changed, right? Yeah.

Um stretching the concept a little bit, but um you know I it's something that Angela and I have been uh have been working on. I've mentioned it in the department head meeting a time or two as well. Um to at least shift to stop relying on debt. Um either you have the money or you don't. Um and so that's at least the the goal for this. and I've seen success stories in uh in various states and so it seemed worth adopting here. So, it's going to be a trial by fire a little bit. I've never done this before. Um but I'm definitely excited to kind of learn as we go.

Well, I'll work with you if you want to do that. I mean, I see your point, but I have to be honest with you. We I don't want to tie your hands. You're our city manager. We hired you. We're going to be city manager. We hired you to make the decisions. And I'm not saying you don't do it, but I think you do a great job. Do you understand? I have all the trust in you in the world. No, I appreciate that. All right.

Um well, we'll continue to work on the on the purchasing policy. I mean, we still intend to apply it the the PGO principle in our budget process. Um, I I definitely think that's a very sound approach just to again stop relying so much on debt and get control on spending. Um, and with with the video, the the MMA video, it's going to sound um I'll give credit to uh uh Ben Anderson, uh the CEO of Hutch Regional Health. Um, I heard him talk to a few people and he was trying to personify Hutchinson and I really appreciated this and he said something to the effect of um, Hutchinson is a smart person, a beautiful person, uh, but they just lack self-esteem. And so all I've ever wanted to do was improve the city's self-esteem. And so whether it was through a video um where it's highlighting our wins um you know we're a city on the move, we have housing going up, we're fixing our downtown and you know multiple partners are contributing to moving us forward. That was the purpose of the video. Uh and it it attracted 20 something,000 views, 27,000 views. Um I mean it it's a start, you know. Is that something we're going to do all the time? No. Absolutely not. U but it was for it was for the best of intentions and again I've learned a lot through this process of realistic costs for uh production crews or whatever the case may be. Um so I definitely appreciate all the learning opportunities even though it's it included some public humiliation in the process. I will tell

you, Ben Anderson told me that story Sunday night about 11 mid 11 between 11 and midnight. We were on an airplane together coming back from Denver and he told me that exact same story cuz I asked him I said, "Ben, how's Hutch going? What do you think about Hutch?" And he told me that exact same story. Yeah, I appreciate it. I think it I think it captures crazy, you know, it captures the the feeling well. Yeah. I mean, we have a lot of potential. We just have to stop getting in each other's way. Yeah. Interesting. Those are all the comments that I have at least for right now. Thank you. Appreciate that.

All right, Mary. Next item. Item number 10, future agenda items. Storm water ordinance violations discuss presentation. Um, is there anything council would like to see on any of the future agenda maybe to add here? I'd like to see a pay raise. How about 24 zeros? That'll work, right? That work. Okay, perfect. Item number 11, executive session. Probably should not. At least half hour. Half hour. Okay, so 9:30. Yeah.

Um, do we need to Paul, question for you. Do we need to um call Stacy uh on this executive session? How does that work? Sorry, she's gone, but we just need a motion and a second. Okay, so uh making a motion to move into executive session pursuant to personnel matters of non-elected personnel exception KSA75 uh-4319B1 in order to discuss city manager matters. the open meeting to resume the city council chambers at 9:31 p.m. I'll second it. Truman. Yes. Yes.

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