Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

right across the road from corporate. Is there a property owner pay into some of the renovation. We bought the building,

but St. Car was a really nice deal, but uh so celebrating that it's just us that's going to be nice, too. That's sort of more money converting to little kids for water. probably feel like there's been more others since then, but All right, we'll table that for after the May 6, 2026 meeting of the MLAN

County Regional Planning Commission will come to order at 4:01 p.m. Attendance will be this conference will now be recorded and a quorum is present. Is there anyone uh from the public who wishes to address the commission? And I think we have one um speaker sign up. Trisha,

I have a platform. This month, I've emailed staff and legal counsel regarding concerns about the structure and operation of the regional comprehensive plan project steering committee, including questions related to this commission's bylaws and open meetings act compliance. I have copies of those emails here should you care to reference them after me. I chose to raise my concerns direct directly with the commission and staff first because I believe this body has the opportunity and I respect you enough to give you the chance to address them openly and thoughtfully. I received an email response yesterday signed by the chair and the executive director and CC the assistant states attorney with whom I've also corresponded. Uh it asserted in the email that the comp plan PSC is not subject to the act that it's not functioning as a committee and it is a working group. The effect of that position is that the workings of the PSC may not be publicly visible in the same way as a formally recognized committee. The email references guidance from the attorney general's office. Through Foya, I've now confirmed that the public access bureau did not issue a written opinion regarding the PSC. The guidance referenced by staff was informal verbal guidance provided over the phone based on information relayed. I can say that I too have verbal guidance offered to me over the phone by an attorney at the Public Access Bureau. This afternoon, I appeal to you that this really isn't just a legal question. It's a government's question. Even if the PSC is ultimately determined not to be legally required to operate under, this commission still has a choice about what standard of transparency and accountability you want to uphold in a major planning process. Right now, as I have witnessed, the PSC is functioning in many ways like a formal committee. It has identified members, elected co-chairs, recurring meetings, presentations, recordings, and a defined role in helping shape the regional comprehensive plan. And at the

April meeting, my recolle recollection is that the committee members were told that their work would ultimately be recommended to the county board for policy adoption. That matters because the public deserves clarity about who is participating in the process, how it's operating, and what role your commission intends to play in overseeing it. So, this commission can choose minimal interpretation of transparency obligations, or you can choose a higher level of public accountability. You can formalize the PSC under your bylaws. You can clarify its role publicly, make materials and recordings available, and ensure the public has meaningful visibility into how this work is being shaped. or you can choose a process with less public visibility, which risks eroding public trust and potentially placing the work at risk in future legal challenges. So, in closing, I'd like to say that public transparency isn't something to avoid. You have the opportunity and a rare privilege to embrace embrace transparency as a core value as a commission. Thank you. Thank you. There are no other um speakers signed up for today. So with that, we'll move to the consent agenda. Um does any member wish to remove an item for the consent agenda for separate discussion? Is there a motion and second to approve all items in agenda item section four, the consent agenda? Motion to approve.

Second.

All in favor? I. Any oppose? Motion carries. Right. Uh with that, we do not have any regular agenda items under number five. And so we would like to move to the items for information or discussion from SE. Uh first we have Luke with the regional housing initiatives update. Afternoon everyone. Um we're the regional housing initiative updates for May. Uh other local updates, last month we chaired the April 1026 housing staff meeting and we also submitted the town of Normal's fourth quarter report and um in the coming weeks we will also be submitting the city of uh city of Bloomington's fourth quarter report. And then the MLAN County MLAN County housing dashboard is now available on our website, the updated version. And moving on to other updates, uh MCRPC has been working with the city of Bloomington regarding some data requests for a housing rehabilitation project. And then last uh last month, we also attended a housing coalition and and the unhouse task force meetings where we are providing assistance to the housing coalition by drafting a survey to gather input from partner agencies on what data can be used for regular reporting and grant writing needs. Um last week the city down and mirror or the mid Illinois realtor association hosted the housing and resource fair. Over 30 local organizations offer housing rights information, legal help health help health help health help health help health help health help health help health help health help health help health help services and other services um and over 200 people attended according to uh Mr. Beser. Speaking speaking of fair, um later this month, the McLaren County Care Fair will be on

May 21st, Thursday, 11:00 a.m. to 1:00 p.m. at the East View Community Center where agencies will be providing showers, haircuts, care packages, health screenings, meals, etc. to those in need. And then finally, next week, staff will be attending the Home Illinois Summit in Springfield. Um this summit is uh will bring together service providers, policy makers and people with lived experience to share communitydriven solutions to address homelessness. Those are the updates that I have. You have any questions? Thank you. Thank you.

Great. Any updates on the housing coordinator position, the RISE implementation grant? Yeah. Uh the RFP uh is being finalized and will be submitted to legal next week and after that to provision a few weeks and hopefully there will be applications to come. Yes.

Right. Next we have the human services transportation plan. Good afternoon everyone. Uh as you know we've had a very active period on the human services transportation plan for a region of five counties known as region six and we are closing in on the completion of this fiscal year's tasks. Um so we have an updated set of bylaws that confirm our adherence to the yoga meetings act with respect to region six meetings and sets parameters for membership on the region six planning committee which will replace the existing uh technical and policy committees and pursuant all of this is pursuant to our coordination agreement with ID do the office of um interal planning and implementation. Uh so is an amendment to the the current region six plan which will also go forward um in June um revises references to the current status of public rural transit in region six. So we now have three providers serving five counties and that's going to be reflected in this amendment to the plan. Um Thomas thankfully keeps our HSP website updated including the information regarding the set of providers in which counties they serve and also information on how to contact us with questions and other items of interest. Uh the bylaws update and the plan amendment are action items for the regional meeting that takes place on June 15th. Any questions?

with the Veterans Parkway corridor plan update. Yeah, the U project as you all know by now uh of course it's getting to the last phase uh with the projects anticipated to be completed uh by September of this year uh and it's still on time uh and on budget and the uh consultants and the working group and staff working on it. The last meeting was uh just few weeks ago and the next one is going to be this Friday and in fact the last meeting the consultant was they were sharing you know what um they was sharing what I got uh they uh and their consultants uh then back in 2021 did some study about the intersection of Route 9 and we wet pathway and so there were a number of alternatives being looked at at that time narrow it down to do but IDA has not taken further action yet. It's kind of pending the work program looking at like two alternatives but they still kind of open to other ideas and whatnot. Uh but it's probably from what we gather be few years down the road be you know the on the work program. So in the meantime, consultants, you know, keep working on the preferred alternative for the uh TMA corridor, which is uh to have shared path uh on both sides of the road. But they're going to do some improvements to the term roadway as well as some improvements to the intersections uh to enhance safety and whatnot to allow people not just uh be auto oriented but to accounting pedestrians uh uh bicyclists and whatnot. And uh so uh soon when the more discussion uh will be done and there will be reports uh and

then a final draft or draft will be available for your VB and for others and will also share with the public uh when they put the draft report together. So um we'll see what happen this uh uh Friday at at the next meeting. We'll report back to you the next month's meeting. Thank you. Uh yeah, the regional comp plan updates.

Yeah. And while while Anthony is walking and taking his position here, I'll just share or distribute the uh the project from the last meeting and also the roster. Just FYI, you don't have to like look at them like after.

Well, while raising those, I'll get to my update. It's a little bit related to that. That's a little bit more detailed than I've got here. Um, but what we've done since the last time we met, uh, we hosted the first product steering committee meeting on April 14th. Um, great turnout, great participation. It's the first meeting, so we're still trying to, you know, kind of get everybody involved and get get a little bit more interaction with some of those numbers. Uh, initially talked about some of the early stuff. So, title of the plan, logo, uh initial look at the first survey that we're wanting to put out and we got got some new comments from that that we'll go back and consider taking comments and and that PSC is scheduled to meet every month throughout the planning process which is aimed for the end of the summer of 2027. The next major steps in the comp plan process is going to be initiating the first round of or the first public engagement campaign. We're hoping that we'll be able to do an official kickoff of all the public engagement activities after this next PSC. Um that initiation includes the publication of the website for the comprehensive plan uh with all its interactive features, distribution of promotional materials throughout the county. That includes some paper flyers, digital and hard copy that we'll send out, social media posts, and the roughly 2,000 people on our mass mailing list. Um, with that there's also going to be the publication of the first survey. Uh, that's that first survey is going to focus on gathering information to form a vision statement for McLean County. So, essentially we're going to be asking members of the public um relatively high level questions. So, there's

nothing super heavy-hitting in this first uh this first survey by design. Uh, we want people to get engaged. We want people to actually respond to the survey and and come to the website and see what we're working on. Let them know that it's going to be about a year and a half long process and to uh stay with us. So that's going to be the first part of this public engagement campaign. With that, there's also going to be some inerson workshops andformational meetings for members of the public uh to be scheduled. We haven't gotten quite there yet, but that's next after this first kickoff. Other than that, that's it really. That's what we're working on so far. Uh still kind of early stages of outreach and kind of ironing all the the early stuff out. Any questions?

So, this is the finalist. Are there any at large people to be added? Listen PSC. Uh there's a couple TVs on there. a couple people who have had some personal interference, personal things happen, but we're still waiting on two.

Yeah. Yeah. We were still waiting for two organizations uh to confirm the representatives. And just want to note that uh when staff invite these individuals uh to to serve on this working group really uh they just don't necessarily represent that particular organizations per se because they have different skills. They work uh to different uh aspects. they participate you know maybe sometimes in like different organizations engage and they're also serving as residents being members of the public so they actually wear many hats in in uh and that's the uh one of the reasons why they were invited and and you know to really put that uh uh to bring different perspectives uh to to the process and not that uh this group is the only way uh that for us to get input uh there will be export uh Anthony was saying the opportunities that we have planned and working on the details how to engage more public and the final staff update and report is from Jennifer on the metrop. Um, as I think some of you will recall from earlier years, this is a plan, the metropolitan transportation plan that we do every five years at the behest of our friends at the federal government. We used to call it the long range transportation plan for our metro area

for our county. Um those rules have changed and that title is now the province of the states. So we are calling it the metropolitan transportation plan because that's what the feds want to see. Um, we do this not just because it's required of us, but because it helps us keep a handle on what transportation changes have been made, what kinds of services are created, what gaps in available service still persist that we can address, and we do that through the the means of this plan. Um we've largely finished designing the project schedule um to ensure that the MTP as we're now calling it um can be completed the document itself approved by our transportation and technical uh transportation technical policy committees and submitted to IDOT and the Federal Highway Administration by September of next year. The plan is actually due in October. We're giving ourselves a little bit of of space in which to make sure that we have everything put together and those committees can meet and possibly so that the beginning of October next year. Uh the commission can also review the plan their meeting at the beginning of that month. Um so we are developing maps and text for the first two chapters of the document. Uh the first is lay off the introduction in which essentially we explain to the public why it is we engage in this exercise. Not just again because it gives us an every five years opportunity to see what's missing in our system, what is dangerous in our system, uh what requires attention in our transportation system and so on and how we go about doing that. The second chapter will relate to then existing conditions. So we'll have maps and texts and illustrations and whatever else is required to sort of explain where we are now over the next year. And so that at the end uh next spring we'll have a sort

of comprehensive look at that which will have been vetted. We will release that later on this year so that people can review it and tell us about things we may have missed or misinterpreted. Uh earlier today we met um in a group to discuss the uh population pro projections that are part of this plan. This is an ongoing conversation as our expert on this topic and uh local staff are sort of considering the implications of an early draft of this process. That too will be open for discussion later this year. Um I keep referencing Thomas, but it's appropriate. We're refining the website section um for the MTP to launch fairly soon and that will simply be a recapitulation of what's in those opening chapters. Again, the existing conditions will go out a little bit later this year and we are finalizing the membership of the project steering committee and its schedule because we have so many projects going on at the moment that we don't want to overbook people in terms of presence on the steering committee and we want to make sure we can schedule everything so that you know the county plan, this plan and the other things that we're in the process of doing don't interfere with and you know Ry reported on the Veterans Parkway study that's progress that will end at the end of the summer. So that will be one less thing to compete. But even so, we want to make sure we don't have people on multiple ser. Any questions on the MTP?

Any other staff updates or reports?

Um we see Yeah. Uh we will be I wish Jake was here. We're here actually Jake uh you know he's doing the live stream behind the scene today because our office always manages on vacation. uh but just want to to point out that yeah he's helping to coordinate uh with WG on some of the transportation safety uh announcements and so in May uh we try to advantage of that media uh and and try to get some of the messaging out to uh encourage people just to put a seat belt on uh uh and drive safe and all all those good stuff. So, just want to let you know and this is just the beginning of more more campaigns we try to do uh and with more public events coming up in the summer whether it's county fair and whatnot and you know we also trying to get the message out. So just yeah I will recognize him. He's behind the scene on the screen. You could hear us but yeah just wanted to mention that other than that

for the commissioners are there any other matters to come before the commission?

Yeah I just um I had some questions that that I need clarified. Um, it seemed to me like the project steering committee is uh is a citizens advisory committee and would fall under our bylaw about that. Um, so I'm I'm sort of under the assumption that we need to vote to actually establish that and it's so maybe somebody if it is a working group um that we don't need to establish if I can just get some explanation so I can better understand um what the difference is and how this is not something that we need to vote to establish. And would it be helpful to and certainly welcome the other thoughts. Would it be helpful to reset on like the purpose and I mean yeah we have we have the makeup here and and sort of the intended um responsibilities and such of that. I mean we have some we have time to go into that right? Um so I think like resetting on that. So I I looked at my notes like it was discussed for sure. My notes might not not be great in like March and April. Um and at no point was it discussed that it needed to be formalized. And so I think we're having the discussion now. Um so we can sort of reset on that and Ray and Anthony um and the vision for the PSSE.

Yeah. Uh and I would I would say this uh this is no different you know from some of the major projects you just heard uh updates on the metropolitan long range I mean the transportation plan it used to be called 2022 the long range transportation plan uh there was SS4A if you recall that was just adopted long ago it was under federal grant and uh for safety related transportation safety there were other projects that we have done uh in the past and and so it's it's like regional comprehensive plan is one of the things we do uh and so as a one of the best planning practices and we have many years combining all the staff members here that uh we sure that the staff can create you know whatever Okay. Right. Uh but we would value uh inputs you know from from others you related disciplines or people uh that we understand they work on day-to-day basis maybe uh or because the association or or the organizations that they serve that they uh could bringing perspectives to help staff you know to to help to develop whatever the plan or whatever their project. So it's not something new that we create a working group regardless of the name is called and I know it's sometimes the committee the name committee when there's a term uh that it it conveys that oh is science formal and so it is um a group that we we don't we not we don't have to I mean staff you can do the work uh but we want to uh take advantage of the the expertise

uh and and some other committee members and to just bring some perspectives that we may overlook and now even with this group uh like like I said before it's not exclusive that that's the only way for us to uh get input uh there'll be other streets because we have 170,000 residents in this in the county and who do we pay and they you know when want to have a group size that's come manageable uh and then uh that would work efficiently and then we can bring uh perspectives that to help safely to do our work and so and we're trying to be be some of we don't want to we want to have some flexibility also because uh not that we want to tie anything and like what we do we come to the commission every month to give you updates in and uh and just that uh to have a group to provide some input for for staff to do our work. Uh and and so that's that's that kind of a working goal is not unusual. Uh even not just this place uh we work with oursel and myself we work with many others.

Okay. I'm sorry I need to interrupt you, but so what is the difference between a working group and this type of the citizens advisory committee that we need to formalize? Like I'm just wondering why we don't formalize the PSC. Are they not making ultimately a recommendation that will become policy of some kind?

We we do have some uh we do have some formal committees, right? As you some of you may know, we have some uh transportation policy committee. with uh transportation technical committee uh that uh also they they bring input and certain extent the policy committee would vote on certain uh items and in terms of working group versus the uh citizen advisory committee. The working group we see as a little bit more informal in that you know people feel free to talk about things uh bring their perspectives give some uh input you know we ask for suggestions stug suggestions on some of the ideas staff will bring forth and the citizen advisory committee I think it's uh a formal group uh that that if neither there's no other way or or there's some specific uh issue uh that's unusual then it's to be look at if if we have a say a budget crisis or we have some other situations that warrant citizen like a group if if the committee you don't think you can handle that type of situations or to address those uh issues and whatnot you might want to form a more formal citizen advisory committee to provide input to the to the commission and this is to us uh you know it's a work project and that's why uh it's not unusual you know for us to form a working group

should we just call it a working group instead of the I think that would clarify yeah yeah definitely yeah we we can do that definitely yeah suggestion so but but I guess my question goes back to like if the group is making a recommendation which I understand the question right so it's a recommendation can or cannot be adopted am I correct in saying that policy this is a guidance and then they could decide who who is it making the recommendation to

yeah to the county board or would it be back to this group and then go through us to the county for for staff I think we we we would uh solicitate input, right? Recommendation. Say if we have a draft plan, you know, somebody with a draft report, the draft plan, then they will make our uh our uh to to the staff, you know, for our review and adoption, what they will the staff will finalize a uh document, a plan document. And at that point uh uh actually similar to the the most recent uh the the strategic use plan if you recall just just few months ago and they will let you know because we really uh we don't enforce I'm just to just so that you understand and maybe you do already uh the county government the city uh of booming the town of normal when they took this guide and blueprints or or vision really uh they are not laws they you cannot uh we cannot tell people hey you have to do this otherwise if you don't you go to jail court but rather it's a policy is a guise of reference for the elected officials go to when they uh determine certain policies or uh certain actions or make certain decisions It's a reference like many zoning cases they use that comprehensive plan to to make.

Yeah. So Ray in essence the comprehensive plan the draft whatever gets put together by this committee will come to us first for for your like acceptance or like what we did with the uh the land use plan. Yeah. So it would come for us to receive receive it and file it and then it gets directed to the county and the county is the one that would then vote to implement any and all of that plan. But it also sounds and and forgive me if I got this wrong, but it sounds like whatever the plan is ends up being

would be driven by staff taking whatever good recommendations or input that the group that the group may offer. It doesn't it doesn't sound like the group is independently going to come up with any recommendations. Correct. Staff is going to take the input. use that in staff's work. Correct. Is that a fair Yeah. And even though staff makes those recommendations, it's ultimately up to the county board to decide Sure. what going to happen in the long run. Those are the decision makers in terms of things. Sure.

But I understand the question. The the um the requirements for operations are different for a working group than a committee. So, how do you decide which is which? And

I I guess I'm just like recognizing that we all have resp like we're obligated and we are responsible for the work. Like I looked at our flowchart, right? Commissioner s so I am I would feel most comfortable if we could just vote to situate this as a citizens advisory committee. Um and I yeah that's just my feeling on it. Um I it feels like this is too consequential to say it's just a recommendation. Um this will have real world consequence. Um, and

I'm struggling calling it a citizens falling in under citizens advisory because I'm looking at the roles of these individuals and they all hold specific um intentional and bringing in you know the intentional perspectives for the planning process. So to me it's not a citizens group that these are more role specific. To me, a citizens advisory council is more of a a body that you would use to to collect feedback on the planning process or to collect surveys or to collect feedback about um you know issues broadly. But these individuals seem to be on this particular team because they bring a unique and specific perspective that is important to the planning process. So that's not an advisory council to me in terms of the way I think of a a traditional citizens advisory council. So I don't feel like it fits the the um the philosophy of it. I certainly respect the um the the desire for things to be more transparent and I think that that is something we could um as a commission request more details and minutes and that type of thing um as a as a as a group. But to then subject by making it a formal committee of this body subjects then all of this work to a lot more rules and regulations and state law that could become then cumbersome to to facilitating the process when it's not it's not a typical thing that that would be subject to those rules. It's just it's just the work that they do. an example of what one of those.

So, in terms of meetings, it would be subject to open meetings act rules. So, that certain conversations um would have to be moved to close session. Um things would need to be um done within a a particular order and following Robert's rules where this is, you know, a planning group like this. I think we've certainly all been on different planning groups where the discussion is more open and free and where you're you're brainstorming and you're, you know, you're feeding off of each other. And to to have that type of thing be subject to a formal uh formal meeting process and all of those rules, I think limits the the creativity and the flow of ideas that could occur in a group like this. So that's just a perspective. Yeah.

Are is this group um are you open to just anyone showing up at the meet at your meetings or is it by invite only? It's this code is by invitation uh but the staff level uh and uh it's in intended to bring as well uh uh spoken you know bring certain you know perspectives because the the work expertise and whatnot and uh to open that we have to we have to talk about it we have to think over uh that that would defeat the purpose and again the freeful of uh information or sharing of ideas uh that they the world may feel um you know maybe they want to don't want to share as freely as they would like and nothing really too high either like I said we come to the commission every month to to bring you updates and highlights and and answer questions that you all may have so We yeah we uh but we just want to also respect you know that that they do have sometimes as we work with different groups that they want to feel free because they have the same purpose that

I mean and you have many groups in lots of and you know every committee report every director the transportation group and and housing you reported on multiple meetings and none of those memberships are approved by us right and each each staff member is facilitating multiple committees of bringing experts, you know, subject matter experts to the table to to to then compile the report to then bring to the larger body to then escalate up through the the the per that I mean that's the standard procedure for everything that you do. So yeah,

I would like had noted that I'm like a little uncom like uncomfortable um just given the fact that we are ultimately responsible um for what happens and as somebody who lives uh out in the county um I this plan has a lot of consequence and and I and I know you all know that I don't need to So, I'm going to say it and like that noted. Um, are we able So, we are not able to attend the meeting. We'll see about

Can I Can I see would would anybody else be in support of getting a copy of the draft minutes at each meeting because otherwise we're going to be 60 days behind. Could we have a draft copy of the meeting minutes? I think this is their Well, that's what they said. I requested this. Oh, you did? Yes. And you even to be to be just uh uh the commissioner is ahead of us. We going to the next meeting as pointed out will be next week. We will share with the committee members be once we share but we have no problem with the commission. I think you

and I'm not I'm not asserting that you that you wouldn't but I just think it because meeting minutes need to be approved and so you're not 60 days behind but actually it's not if it's not a formal committee and not under open meetings act then you have a lot more latitude to share information. Um because if it was under open meetings act then having than sharing unofficial minutes that aren't approved by the group is is a way of creating misinformation and and and it I think would be concerning. So, I think leaving it, it allows more information to to show and float because you're not you're not restricted by all those rules and by for something like this where you want creativity, where you want people to bring their ideas and expertise to the table where they're they're representing for a specific purpose, you know, for because this person is in charge of planning, because this person represents the firm. bureau, you know, I think that to me is a very specific role versus a citizens advisory committee or citizens at large that are providing I'm just providing you my feedback, right?

And that's what we get through the surveys that this process does.

I do have something to add if I may. Um, you know, everything that's going to come out of this group um will be eventually open for the public to review. So, it's not like decisions will be made in this group or suggestions, you know, suggested to staff that eventually make the decision to, you know, update the plan. It's not like those things will not be open for review. There there will be a a public review period for the draft plan that's ultimately created. And so though there will be ample opportunity for more than just that committee to to create suggestions for the plan.

I can briefly explain a distinction between the transportation plan. Well, it's a question of who our who our constituents are for these various documents. Ultimately, for the transportation plan that we're discussing, um our constituent, the people who decide whether or not it meets the standard, it is the United States Department of Transportation. It is not a local body. This US DOT puts forth a series of requirements for these plans. you know certain challenges that must be embedded in terms of identifying issues, determining solutions, establishing a financial plan for the next 30 years which is functionally possible. Um and so we work with them in deciding you know how we approach certain of these issues and we work locally. Our steering committee over the years has tended to be um the transportation professionals from the local government. So people who do public works and something similar who are intimately familiar with the state of the transportation system in our area and who contribute to it and determine projects and examine costs and so all of that our transportation committee meetings policy and technical are open anyone can walk in and you know listen to what we're doing. Usually we're making changes incrementally in what the plan involves, but it is a technical process. It it requires that our committee members have technical expertise that we can draw on in order to make determinations about how to proceed. And it's complicated. So we don't, you know, we don't need or or embrace the the notion of a general public contribution because frankly we we need to be able to use this document

to educate people about how the transport transportation system works, how its status is determined, how much it costs and where the money comes from to help people understand why this complexity exists. So totally different situation for the county plan. I was here when the last was done in 2009 and I except for Phil Dick I think I'm the only person still around in county government or elsewhere that was involved in that effort and it was a very different set of operating procedures than than it is now simply because of greater need for transparency for people to understand what's going forward and that's why you see on the list of the county comp plan steering committee um people with specific expertise who can react to things that are proposed and say, "Wait a minute, here's a barrier here. Let's talk about this." Um and and not having to feel as though they're being challenged because they really are. The same thing is true with transportation. I know the policy committee consists of elected officials or the designates. The technical committee consists of people with technical expertise and they're essential because it's the only way we're going to work through the issues that arise every five years in the transportation plan. Um this is my sixth um MTP in effect and every time is a little bit different because every time the issues are a little different where the focus is from the federal level is different. uh based on the last plan, we've gone very heavily into um improving our understanding of the safety of the system and where corrections need to be made. And that was the origin of our grow safe plan. You know, this time around we're continuing that safety focus and then saying what else needs to be fixed, you know, are we fiscally conservative enough? Are we making the right

assumptions? And that's where the subject matter experts come in. different animal, different procedures. And of course, the county plan offers the option to say, "Here's how we want to do it. Here's how we think is the most effective way of approaching it." We're not bound in the county plan by federal regulations that say you will do so. And therefore, the the ability to have that flexibility is one of the things that makes the plans stronger in the end.

Thank you. Thank you. So related to the project steering committee, any further discussion or questions and appreciate all the sharing and um um providing the the commission with examples and and illustrations. So appreciate that. Um are there any other matters to come before the commission? Right. With that, is there a motion and a second to adjurnn? So move. Second. Second. All in favor? I the main meeting will adjourn at 4:47