Zoning Board of Appeals - Regular Meeting

recording and oh, Bill beat me to it. So, um I'm going to let everybody in from the waiting room and we can um we can get started. Do we want the AI companion? Sorry. No. All right, I think everybody is in from the waiting room, so please feel free.

Well, great. This is the Maynard Zoning Board of Appeals. It is uh 700 p.m. 7:01 p.m. on the 20th of October, 2025. and I'm the chairman, Paul Shiner, and we're going to call this meeting to order. The first item on the agenda is to review and approve the minutes of July 28th. So, I assume everybody's read the minute minutes and agree or disagree. Have any comments? So, I'd like a motion to accept. Um, I make a motion to accept the minutes of July 28th, 2025 as recorded.

Do I get a second? Second. All right. Any any comments, corrections? Hearing none. Um, let's do a roll call. And I don't remember who all's on the thing because I don't see too many faces in the in the videos here. I only got like three, four faces, so I don't know who all's here. Zoe, can you read off who's here? Sure. I can read off names if that would be helpful. Yeah, please. Uh Brad Schultz, yes. Leslie Bryant, yes. John Corville, yes. Jerry Colbert,

yes. Paul, yeah. And I'm here, too. And I'll agree to that. Is that everybody? Just the five of us? That's correct. Okay. Next item on the agenda is to approve the minutes of August 25th. Anybody going to make a motion on that one? And make a motion to accept the minutes of August 25th, 2025 as um recorded. Do I get a second? Second. Great. Um, now since I know who's here because Zoe asked or mentioned it, Brad, yes.

Lesie, yes. John, yes. Jerry, yes.

And I'll be a yes. Good. So, now we're into the public hearing phase. And we have a public hearing in front of us this evening. It's an application filed by Ilson Machado, owners Jeffrey Dutton, and I'm going to butcher this one. I'm sorry. A Ail Baloki for the property located at 106 Walam Street, Maynard. The subject property is a single family dwelling located within the S1 zoning district. Petitioner is requesting two items. The first one of variance per section five of the zoning bylaws providing relief from maximum building allowable building coverage of 15% to construct a sun room that would increase the coverage to 16.57% and create a new nonconformity and two a special permit per section five of the zoning bylaws to allow renovations which would extend a pre-existing nonconformity by encroaching into the western side setback parentheses 12t provided versus 15 ft required parentheses. The proposed renovation would extend but not exasperate the existing nonconformity of 12 ft setback. So the petitioner please the stage is yours.

Good evening um everyone else Machado here. Appreciate the time u for us to meet and for to consider um our proposal here. Uh yeah, so I am a representative of M Mrs. Aguul and also uh Jeff. Um I'm not sure if they are in the call or not. Um but uh yeah, so the as as the the petition letter says um you know we're looking to expand on their existing uh threeseason room, transform that into a habitable room um and expand it to the both edges of the house uh increasing the overall square footage there. uh but maintaining the already 12 ft uh that's already um encroached into the uh zoning zony only allowable max will limit a footage from the property line. Um the request uh you know the project will as the letter says uh will is to help the um the family living in the existing uh unit or house uh move their current usage of their location of their of their home as they um you know set themselves up uh for the later years. Uh and then and we're hoping to uh with our drawings uh and planning that we submit uh and we're hoping for your gracious um look at it. Although we understand that we expand a little bit more widthwise, not depthwise uh onto already an unconform um preseason room. and we're hoping that we can uh that we'll be able to allow to be able to move on and do this small

addition for them so we can improve their uh lives there. So just a question for you. I've looking through the documents that are on the town website and I find a site plan, but I see no indication of where this addition is going to be. Could you um maybe Zoe could put up the the thing or if you've got a digital copy, we can maybe let you screen share it so we can see what it is you're planning on building because all I see is a house on a lot. I don't see any indications of the project.

Okay. The uh it was submitted the uh um property um that submitted so we should have that available online for everyone to share and see.

Zoe Zoe could you do do you have that? I have the um I have the site plan here and um I understand from the description that it involves laterally expanding the um the threeseason room that's on the the uh plan west side of the home to be flush with the outer uh walls of the the home. Um Bill, do you do you have that I don't see it on the um I don't see it on the attached documents. Do you have that on your machine there? Yes. What? Can you please share your screen? I think I uh Yeah, that I have it. It's called scan.

Okay. Um now, is that the site plan or is that does it show the proposed? Okay. So, yes, I have this as well, I think. Um I'll I'll share mine because I have that. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So from the from this site plan, this this is what I have too. I could see this on the town website, but there is no indication of where the project is. Bill, do you do you have that on your files? You mean uh I I don't think I understand the question, Paul. You mean the the the the where it is in terms of the neighborhood? No,

no, the proposed the proposed footprint of the ex of the addition. So, Bill, this is like the before. We want to see the after. Thank you, John. Okay, let's see what we got here. Let me just double let's look at the file. I can get on the file here, too. The original file. Just go if you just go ahead. I I'll scoot through here real quick. And if it was in the package, it might have not made it up here. Let's see. Uh, you can go ahead and start and I'll I'll check that real quick. I'm in the file on the server right now. Okay, I have it. If uh if uh if no one else there does. Oh,

I I know that Bill has it. I'm I'm here from home and I'm not on the um not on the shared server here, but um I can at least indicate from the from the site plan. It must be in one of the I've got Let's see if it uh not there. Yeah, we can draw it on there, but yeah, for purposes of the record, you need to have what the proposed is going to be. Understood.

I mean, the actual plans actually the plans actually shows um obviously all the way to the uh to the end there, but I see the um when a site plan is not marked off. That's correct. Okay, I can share my screen if you'll let me. Sure. Uh, let's see how I do that. I'll let we can let you. We can give you permission to do that. There you go. Should be able to now.

Um, where's the command to do that? It should come up and um it should ask on the bottom of your screen there should be a green button with a rectangle and arrow. Oh yeah.

Okay. Okay, I'm doing that. I think I wonder if it didn't come in on the original submitt. The e submitt. I'm looking at it. I don't see it.

Hey, Jeff. Yeah. So when you hit that green button, share button, there should be a little box that pops up, that's basically a representative of your screen. So if you click that, it should then share your screen. So I clicked application windows. Uh you only have one screen, right? Yeah. Should just pop up right right in front of you. At least the way I've seen it done. All right. So now I got to open. Is it under your Zoom box? Oh,

is it under your like if you move your Zoom box? I got to give permission. Hold on. Yeah, it looks like it never came in. I'm looking at the original submitt and the only thing that came in was that. But

I got to go away for a moment. Um when I was studying the files it was there I am trying to search it. It came through actually I was able to access to it through the town web page yesterday. So there's something funny going on. Yeah it was there. It must be in one of the bigger uh packages that we just missed. Let's see. It wasn't in the routing memo, but uh Yeah, because I don't see the the staff report either in the list. Oh, staff reports there. Yeah,

I saw the staff report, but I I didn't see like what Paul's saying is I don't see a um a proposed All right. All right, we'll find it. Well, I don't where I went. I don't I don't see the staff report. The staff report is on the second page of the minutes. Yeah. Which minutes? Well, it's the um the agenda. I'm sorry. Second page of the agenda. It came in in two pages, I think, on the from the when I looked at it earlier today.

Well, let's let's blame it on an IT Grumbland one because I I don't see it. What's currently live on the town website under under the agenda center has the staff report, the site plan, the application form and justification statement, three letters of support, and the staff report includes the um project locus um and also the another copy of the site plan and application. And I was also just looking through the application that was scanned in and stamped in by the clerk and okay, there we go. That's exactly. Yes. So, yeah, because all I see on on what I opened up is only two support letters. So, you have you have a different website.

I think if you have the PDF version that was exported before the last letter was added, the the live link to the agenda is is up there. It has all the letters. All right. So, let's because I thought I went to So, not the PDF. So, correct, Jeff. Jeff uh I I located it in the town sites. Are you able to share? Shall I share it, Jeff? It is there. There is a 10 page 10page documents in the web page that I have. And there are also four letters there. Support letters. Um so I managed to locate it. If you want me to share, I can do that. It's on It's on my screen. I thought I was sharing. Wait, there's a

I don't see it. Oh, okay. Okay. Now I see it. Okay. Okay. Good. So, you got it, Jeff, too. Yeah, I got this page. There's 10 pages you guys should have been able to access to it.

So, what you see is a uh is a plan that shows um the addition well the the renovation that's uh on on the left side. um that is uh an extension of the room that's already there. So compared to the earlier drawing that we were looking at, there was that bump out in the middle of the building on the end. And now where where the arrow is here that is been consumed into this additional room. Is that what you're saying?

Yeah, it's being extended front and back. Okay. Uh Jeff, can you share that page that he was talking about? Go back and forth how it look before and how it will look after. I think that's what he wants to see. Okay. um just go up and down in that 10 pages. Everything is there. Well, no, it's a separate document. It's this one. Yeah. And so the bottom of that is what you're describing on the left of the other image. Is that right? That's right. That's correct.

Okay. And one of the challenges we have to find tonight in our meeting discussions is the setbacks. Where does it show the setbacks, please? On the other diagram, it might I don't know. I If you can move that one out of the way, we could look at the other one. Yeah. So, where are the setbacks? Um, in other words, the edge of the building to the property line, because that's what we're talking about. We're, you know, 15 to 20 feet to 15 or whatever that number was. Where is that show? Elson, can you answer that?

Yes. So, Jeeoff, uh gentlemen, if you look at the uh uh site plan there, um it shows 20 ft to the edge of the house. Um and then the u the actual u three season room that there now is 8 feet in depth. So that allows that leave us only 12 feet from the edge of the of that bump out that's there now on the site plan to the property line. So that's um so that's 12 ft from there to the property line. And if we look on the top half of the site plan there uh or left side rather uh it's going to show from the edge of the house to the property line it's going to show 12 uh 20 feet. I hope.

Would you like me to Yeah. Would you like me to annotate that, please? Because I I don't see those numbers on here. We can do some algebra, but hopefully a simple algebra or arrow to say this is a property line and that's where it's going.

Okay. So, just to just do that the currently the room is this big. Ah, don't please don't move it. Um, please don't move it. Okay. Uh so all I want to say from here is this. Um so the currently the room is this big right? This big and it is going to be extending this far. There is no uh additional setback and the setback is going to be from here to here is 12 ft. Is that correctly? Did I get it right?

The existing room is uh 12 by 8 uh 12 ft wide by 8 ft depth. I think he's asking for setback. So the set this is the property line from here to here. It's 12 ft, right? Correct. Yep. Is that what you were asking?

Yes. And that that's because when we have our our zoning setback requirements, that's the number that you're asking to have uh in the decision. And so we should have a diagram that shows that number in a diagram so we can say this is what we approved or didn't approve, whatever we end up deciding. And so, you know, we can get into the details here, but I just I just wanted a a simple map saying from the property line, this is what you got and this is what you want. Right. Well, the

we are not wanting anything new. It that was there already. We don't want anything new there. Um the wall the wall on the west side is not going to go anywhere. It's going to stay in the same place. It's just going to get longer. Yeah. Yeah, I understand that. That's good. My point is I'd like to see that in a diagram that says the setback from the property line to here is whatever it is. If you're you're encroaching a little bit because you know it's what is it? You're at 12 feet now and you and the requirement was 15. Is that is that the number? That's right.

Whatever Tom says. Bill may be answering or Zoe can answer that. Zoe is the one who suggested um we don't know just a moment here. Hold on one second. Okay. Also just pulling up where it is because it's also a corner lot. So it has two fronts. Um yes. So those 15 feet side setback the the if and if it's all right. I'm going to um share screen here because I think part of the issue here is that the um

the the site plan diagram is is turned um I had to be just turned here. So yeah, the proposed expansion is an expansion by 7T in this direction and by 7T in this direction. Correct?

So that's what these these these um lines indicate. to bring this room flush with this exterior with these exterior bounds. And this um the there's the front setback um is hold on one second. This front set back is all the way to here is 26 ft will be reduced down to 19. this which is currently 12 ft will remain as is if in the staff report um I believe it it itemizes these figures. Um so this 26 front on the front set back goes back to 19 12 remains as it is. It's an extension of a pre-existing non-conformity and the only new nonconformity the the special permits portion of the petition is for the extension of the pre-existing nonconformity into the uh side setback and this the variance application is for the um uh exceeding of the coverage maximum

right by 1 and a half% right just to distinguish between what's being introduced as a new nonconformity versus what's the extension of the pre-existing nonformity for me. Okay. What Zoe has sketched out here, can we memorialize it? Because this is what I'm looking for in our document set. I can take a screenshot. Yeah. Something.

Yes. Now I'm going to take a screen capture of this. All right. Am I there? This is a screenshot that I've taken based on the site plan and the the um description of the work um and the material in the staff report. Um does this does this uh satisfy the board's questions as to what's being proposed?

It certainly helps a lot. Thank you, Zoe. Sure. I'm gonna add some additional questions about it, though. So, Okay. I'm going to save this to our records just so we'll have it. Appreciate it. So, be before you before you start asking questions and stuff, Brad, I just want to make sure that the petitioner has um finished his presentation.

Okay. Well, uh Zoe, thank you very much for uh for your help there. Um so now that brought clarity uh more clarity to what uh we're looking to do. Um you know it's it's just it's a basic uh expansion of the existing room that's there um and remaining you know not evading anymore of the u existing property existing unconformity that's already pre-existing. Um then obviously the uh not just the the encroachment on both sections right or left and also the u overall increasing of the existing uh uh existing footprint or or square footage by one and a half% uh on the overall uh with with the understanding um and if I ask one uh minimum a lot size there. We're already smaller lot to begin with. I think we're around 67 or 6,900 square ft as opposed to a standard uh 10,000 square. Uh so so the existing home the existing property or the existing structure that's there it's already under um under its size to begin with according to uh the minimum lot size required by S1 um that's under the zoning board there. Um so hopefully um you know we'll obviously we'll open the floor for questions but hopefully we'll be able to um obtain this uh the the opportunity to build this for um the um for the clients.

I appreciate your your patience in in discussing this with us. Can I can I add something? Yes, please. Uh uh as part of this project, there are steps, stone uh concrete steps that go uh off the west side uh to allow entry to the threeseason room. Those will be demolished. Um and the entry will be now in the back in such a way that it will enable uh handicapped access in the future. um because um at least I am not getting any younger and uh anticipate that may be necessary

and that's not going to give any encroachment issues into the setbacks on the back side. Is that right? Right. Excellent. Okay. So, I'll open it up to questions from the the board members. Jeff, uh Brad, you had something you wanted to ask. Um yeah, could we go down um to the next page that we're looking at further down because it looks like there's a roof on there. It's a drawing of a roof. Yeah. Okay. So, that roof sticks out the back by how far? It looks like it doesn't say

three feet. It's three feet. Yeah, it's three feet. And is it is that so is that a 3x5 or 3 by eight? 3 by8. Yes. Because it's going to be a small thing. Okay. For accessibility. Okay. And um and so underneath it, what's what's underneath it? It looked like on the drawing before it looks like was it just a step? Is that a porch? Just a little landing with the It's a landing. Okay. All right. And it's but but it's covered. It's covered. Yeah. Okay. So, um was that so that's um additional 24 feet of coverage. Is that added to the um to the calculation of the percentage of coverage on the house?

Yes. So, so there's a an additional 112 ft plus 24 more feet. Is that right? which gives a total of 136 additional feet of of coverage lot coverage. Is is that right? That sounds right. Yeah. With the the additional I didn't Yeah. I just didn't

uh that roof is not additional right uh it is not additional what we are reporting it is calculated into that. It's I don't factor in in the existing uh but but if that's if that's an issue I mean we can look into um you know uh I just want to find out what the the real percentage is of coverage. No I don't it is 16.5 percentage. Okay what's so what's what's the um what what was the original um uh what was the original square footage of coverage? Okay, that was 14.7% I think.

Um, no in in actual square foot square feet the inside the room you mean? No, the the coverage of um so that would be basically the roof all of the roof um area of the roof of the house and the existing sun room. So, it's 16.75% of 6500 or 6400 um whatever that is. Okay. So, um 15.75 that's what it is. Now, I guess I just want to know how you how you calculated that because I'm um

what you said first was that the you're just adding thisund uh 112 square feet, but you're actually adding an extra 24 square feet. So, I'm just curious as to what that changes that that would increase the percentage of coverage that you're looking at. So, that I'm just trying to figure out how it was that you came up with the calculation. So we didn't I think maybe Zoe you could help us your building inspector did that didn't it counting how that happened the portico space and all that we don't understand the technical part of it I think that the Tom did that

I believe yeah I believe Rick did have a couple of pre-application meetings with the applicant um to discuss what the proposal would consist of um and so the initial calculation that he made I believe of the existing coverage um was as it said in the um in the staff report it's 955 and a half square ft. Um and so if um and then there's an addition of um 63 square ft and let's see 63 126 square ft if you

136 square ft in sorry um now Mr. Mr. Mashado, did you um meet with Rick about this set of plans that you included in the in the ultimate proposal because I know there were a couple of back and forth um discussions about this. So, when I was here and met with him and we went over all the numbers of calculation he did for us. Okay. Uh based on a lot area that we have of 6400 square feet, 6490. So the allow the allowable square footage that we have was like 973 and a half according to his notes here.

Okay. U the existing coverage was 900. Um okay. And that we added the shed because the shed was not factored in at that point. Right. Okay. Plus the uh So the site plan the site plan on this record doesn't show the shed. Uh it's there. It's there. The original has it. It's there. Oh yes. Sorry. Yes, that's right. I'm just looking I was looking looking at it. Okay. So, I guess my question is Zoe, the the original 955 and a half square feet. Yes. Is does that include that shed as well? Yes,

it does. Okay. So the only uh the only addition to the 955 square ft um 955 and a half square feet is the additional 136 ft um of the roof of the roof line added to the the two 56 square foot um additions the front and the back. And then the 15 um I'm sorry the uh yeah the 15 foot I'm sorry 24 foot um roof over the um entryway the um the deck or the landing.

Y that covers the stairs. Okay. So that comes to,091 is that right point. Um so it comes up to,91 uh.5 and you said that the lot is 6,400 square feet. Yes. Okay. So, that comes out to just about just over 17%. So, it's 17.05. If if you're gonna if you're going to call it, go for the 6500 because it's 6490, isn't it? Yeah, that's correct. 6490. Yes. Well, don't count the section over the over the landing because I thought it was just that's going to be open, right? It's not.

It's going to be part of the Yes, but it's it has a roof on it, so it's considered covered. Yeah. Okay. So, it's $64.90. Okay. So, that that that probably was already there. You know, if if that becomes an issue, I mean, obviously, we can look at we can saltage up and I just I just want to find out what what exactly what it is.

So, I I think Brad's on to something here that we need to know what's there now and what we want to what you guys want to add in simple numbers like square foot of this and square foot additional and so forth. that doesn't show in the staff report and it didn't show, I don't think, in what you're asking for. So, I'm wondering if we could fire up an Excel spreadsheet or something here and just list these different numbers because I I've lost track of all the numbers as you guys are talking it through just just so we know what we end up voting on.

So, why why is one or two% that much of a big deal? It's it's it's not, Jeff. It's simply I want to know what it is we're gonna be voting on. Right. Maybe Zoe, perhaps if we brought up one of the worksheets we have this the um the um dimensional worksheets. I could bring that up. Do you have that on your machine? I don't have that on my machine. I think I can find it. Okay. Let me take a look while you're and then I'll just

I do have one more question which I'm which will be quick and easy. Um, is there a perspective drawing that shows what the side of it is going to look like from the fine that we just have the top view here? Is there side view? Is there an elevation? We have Yeah, there we go. An elevation draw. Yeah, right there. Um to see what to see what it would look like. So, we can see what it's going to look like on the house. That's correct. Or the neighborhood essentially is what's there now and it'll be the same thing.

Okay. Okay. But I I don't see a drawing of what what's there now. So, um, one of the things we have to determine is is how it affects the neighborhood, how it how it, um, meets with the character of the um, uh, of the of the neighborhood. So, that's one of the considerations is to see what this addition is going to look like when it's done. It's it's going to look more like the house than than it does than the sun room does. Now, you have a drawing of you have a drawing of that so we could look at it. Elson, I don't think so. What do you have? Uh, well, everything's in the plans. I think we're just looking at everything. Yeah, everything is there, actually.

I mean, obviously if we if we're looking so we could see it. Sorry, what was that again? Can you put that drawing up so we could see it? Oh, right there. Um, okay. That doesn't show windows and sighting and all that kind of stuff like the side of a house. what what it would look like. Yeah, they show windows there and I don't it's not there. Um he's got windows on. Do do you just want to see a picture of house from the three dimensions basically? Yeah. Well, it's called a perspective drawing which shows what it would look like um when it's finished, you know, like a like a picture or just a drawing, you know, that shows, you know, the siding and where the windows are located, you know, that kind of stuff.

That's not part of the plan set is the one I have. Yeah. Okay. So, I was I yeah I I'm not understanding it very well. I mean um when we show you the porch where the windows were uh illen but it is still architectural drawings. It sounds like you want to have a threedimensional picture that is drawn you know around the property. It seems like that we cannot give it to you before we finish it. Yeah. Like a front view, a side view and a back view of what it's going to look like. What if we

I mean we can do Google we can Jeff can you pull up a Google map to show the house as it is right now and then maybe he can imagine how it is going to look like because we cannot give you threedimensional picture. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. We cannot do that before we finish the project how it is going to look like. So you need to imagine Google maps doesn't give it only gives the front and part of the side unfortunately. I have it up right now. I was I was looking at it.

So the the point here, I think, Brad, is does this proposed addition go in concert with the rest of the house? And I think simply trusting him on this point that the contractor is a good guy and he's going to make it match the rest of the house. I think that's enough for what we need on that.

Yeah. The more interesting question is the table of of uh existing and proposed square footages and and what they're looking at. It does not seem like a big ask for what they are asking to have, but just for the record, it'd be nice to know what we approve or unfortunately maybe not approved, but I'm I'm I'm leaning towards the idea that this is going to be an easy one to approve once we figure out what it is that they're asking for.

Zoe, can you open I mailed you a worksheet. See if you could I think that'll give them everything they want. Yep. Just a moment. You share it and we can have Olson go through it and it should be pretty straightforward that and as proposed and they just want to know that the um the delta between there. Okay.

Second. Okay. All right. I have the other thing too I have which may be a little bit um may be helpful. One second here. Okay. Um I'm going to share my screen again. Bear with me here. Okay. So, the lot size we have is um 6,490 square ft which was determined from the property card. The existing coverage which is based on the assessor's the assessor's card uh essentially a tracing of the footprint of the house that was calculated at um 14.6%. 6%. The proposed added coverage um is 136 square ft which includes both 56 uh let's say 112 + 24 of the new roof line. Um and so the proposed total coverage in square feet is 1086 which brings it to 16.7 square ft.

Okay. So back 16.7%. I'm sorry. Yeah. Sorry Zoe. back on the original existing coverage. One of Brad's questions was, "Does that include the shed?" Yes. And then the proposed additional coverage, does that include the roof, the porch roof? Yes. Or the the stairway roof? Yes. Yeah. The 136 covers that. Okay.

That covers the 112 plus the 24. So again to memorialize this as to what it is we will be voting on. Can you make a a footnote either on the right hand side or something on that column as to what these numbers are including? In other words, it would be the roof on the on the stairway for that new number plus the obviously the addition the additional part of the addition and then on the existing yes it included an X by size shed out back and sorry sorry to you know be analytical on this but I think Brad raised some good questions is we need to know what we're going to be voting Y I think so. Yeah, this is good.

Thank you. Appreciate all all of your insights and also like the plans and Brad's question there. Obviously, we can provide the as build as well just to you know on the end if that's

So Brad has asked a bunch of questions. Are you are you satisfied now Brad? Yeah. Um, I'd like to see the drawing, but um, so we know what we're voting for. Um, if they, you know, what we're voting for, um, in terms of what it looks like, that's part of our voting staff. But, um, Sure. I have to agree that if it's, you know, it's an small extension of what's what's there and if you're essentially just doing that, you know, I I can't see how it would change. Sure.

The existing house, the existing house is a clabard cupboard. It's gray painted and so will the uh the renovation have that same look. Um the only difference between the look of it now and the look of it a after it's completed is that the windows that are now uh single pane old-fashioned windows will be replaced by triple pane windows that that are also double hung. Okay, it sounds very good. So, is there any other board members that have questions of the petitioner?

I have one other thing to add here, which is probably may be helpful, which is um that you have a decent view from the street of the existing threeseason room on the side of the house. So, that at least you can see that there will be collaborates. It's a, you know, it it I think it's it, if I'm, if I'm not mistaken, it's representative of what the exterior will look like. That's a very good picture. Yeah, that's how it will look like. Is Oh, is that the um is that the the existing sun room right now? Yes. Yeah. Oh, okay. So, how is the how's the roof going to work? Because the roof will look different now. It'll be a shed former basically.

Style. Yep. Okay. But still a very nice looking property and that additional room looks like it'll be a nice match to it. So again, any any other board members any questions? Yep. I don't I just um I saw those the steps and I think that you mentioned the steps are going to go out the other way. Yes. Yeah. I mean, that's just for my curiosity because I think it looks like a neat a neat plan, but I was just trying to in my head picture the steps. So, you're moving them so you can push that out toward the driveway.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay, I got it. Zoe, were you able to access the worksheet? Second. Yes. Um, but I don't have Hang on one second. I can't fill this. Unfortunately, I'm I'm on a Mac and uh I

I can do it. I can do it. If you just want to run to read it off, I'll fill it up. I can open it up. And we can let just uh run through the numbers and let's see. We'll load this and we'll save it to But I also I did save also the um the thing that I just mocked up here in um in whatever the Mac version of Excel is. So those those numbers were the ones I believe that that um that uh were being asked about about just the coverage in particular. Um

pull it up and I'll just wait here and if it's sufficient then we won't even bother with this. Whatever the board wants. I've got it here. If you want to just show yours and then I got I'm ready to go. If you want to just plug number in this Bill, can you share your screen if you have that? I can't I can't open that file on my computer is the problem. Gotcha. Yeah, I'll do it. Thank you. May uh I'll put this under the uh let's see put some stuff. All right. My computer's run awful slow. Okay. Now, see,

that's because it's talking to a Mac. That's why it's so slow. I usually have the Mac, but this is a This is a Let's see here. Okay. A normal one. So, we'll see. I just get ready with the numbers and I'll I'll pop them in. You guys read them off while I'm doing it. And then what we got? Do we know what we're doing? What numbers are these? Yeah. Okay. Okay. Some of some of these are not are not um really at issue. Yeah. Right. Okay. So So minimum required square feet is 10,000. Right. Uh existing is 6490.44.

Okay. Um 65 ft of frontage I believe it's 100 is um required. Okay. 64 out of 400. Uh what I'm sorry one more time on the frontage. Frontage I believe the requirement is is 100. Okay. But it is existing is 65 actually. Well, it's it's um it's a corner lot, so it has 100 feet on a frontage on Third Street and 65 ft of frontage on Waltham Street. Uh well, yeah, this is the I would say that's consistent. It's got 100 frontage minimum on one side on their square.

Okay, then width in that case should be considered um non-conforming. I believe the width uh requirement is 80 and hang on one second

in S1 I think it's 100 ft it's 100 okay yeah for so yeah and then it's 65 provided on width 65 Right. All right. So, this is non-conforming. Boom. And this is non-conforming. Okay. And proposed now we're we're the the new um no changes to any of those.

Okay. But change back Okay, there's that. So, we're good there. Yes, that max. The minimum was and this was a 25 and it's 19, right? Is it? Well, it now it depends if you consider the the side with 100 ft of frontage to be to be front. So yes, one of them is so the primary or the address is on Waltham Street. It's on Waltham Street. Okay.

If the address is on Waltham Street, then the frontage should only be 65 ft. Okay. And then the width um the width can be 100. Okay.

Okay. Um now the front uh setback One second. I have too many tabs open here. Bear with me please. Okay. Front set back is 25 ft. Um, and from the Waltham Street side, it's uh 30 feet. Let's see. I'm sorry. No, 19 ft.

Okay. That's existing. Yes, existing is 19 ft. All right. Proposed is 19 ft. Okay. So, there's no change. Okay. Um, side setback is this is the interior or the street side. This is the uh plan north. Okay.

Um the the minimum the requirement is 15 ft but it's um it's 55 ft provided and uh no change proposed. Okay. Now the the third street. Um okay. So the other the the plan east side setback is um is this street side? No. Okay. Yeah. Um so then we're backwards here. The street size is going to be 25, right? Yeah. 25 15.

Yes. And provided is what here? Oh, no, my bad. No. Um 12 feet provided. Okay. Start to see. So 15 25. Okay. 25 required. 12. How much provided here on the street side? On the street side, it's um 19 feet provided. Okay. Is there a change? No. Okay. So there. Boom. Okay. Wait, I'm sorry. Um, it's I'm sorry. It's 15 ft provided. No change. 15 ft on the third street side. Okay.

And then the other side setback there is no rear um is 15 ft and it's 12t provided. 15 for the rear. Well, there is no rear. Okay. So, it's an extra um count the Yes. So, so the the thing that's currently indicated as side should say front onto Third Street. This one. Yes. So, we have two fronts and two sides and no rear. Yes.

Correct. Yes. And so, the next is the side to the abuing property which is 15 ft required. Um 12 ft provided. No change provided. No change proposed. Okay, let's get Mark this and boom. Okay. And so we have what? I'm sorry. Zo 15 ft required 12 provided and no change on that. No change. Correct. Okay. So, so far so good. Excellent.

Okay. Now, coverage Um coverage maximum allowable by building is 15%. Right? Existing is 14.64%. Proposed is 16.7%. Now, I think what Paul would like I think here is if we put it in if we just put it by square footage. Is that what you're saying too, Paul? On here? Yeah. Because the small lot the small lot and a medium-sized building.

Okay. It percentages, you know, don't really show the story. Okay. Wilson, can you give us some uh right now the existing coverage by square footage, you have that worked up? I have I have that here. Okay. From the other thing. Um All right. So, the uh existing coverage is 950 ft. Maximum allowable is 973 and a half or let's call it 974 square ft.

Okay. Proposed is 1,086 square ft. Okay. So, there's the numbers. Does that help, guys? I think it does wonders. It It simplifies what it is we're looking at instead of saying, you know, well, this number means that and it's something else. It the numbers are all right in front of us. Now,

so here's the new created here. This is for the variance and to extend the existing nonconformity does not um create any new um non-conformity. It simply extends the existing one which was the uh special permit. Yeah, special permit.

Okay. So, back to the details of this particular case. In the application, there was a discussion on variance and a discussion on special permit. And I I really appreciate you guys taking the time to put that together in writing because that helps a lot when we if I can find where I was. I got too many screens open here. I'm sorry. I got a pile over there.

Yeah. uh regulatory framework. And so what's in the staff report, and this is why I really like staff reports, why I was flying blind earlier because it it wasn't on the version of the website that I had earlier.

Yeah, I don't know that. But um for variance we have to determine that owing to the circumstances to the soil condition, shape, topography of the land or structures and not affecting generally the zoning district. That a literal enforcement of the bylaw would involve hardship financial or otherwise. and that desirable relief may be granted without substantial detriment to the public good. That's for the variance. The special permit for extending it along the same line is simply if the adverse effects of the proposed use don't outweigh its beneficial impacts to the town. And there's a list there in the paragraph below what they're showing in blue. And so I think your discussion in the application goes a long way to answering these questions plus what we have uh discussed here this evening so far. And so I would like to ask the board members if they have any uh additional questions or thoughts on approving or providing additional conditions to this application. Lastly, any thoughts? Are you still with us, Leslie?

You may have had to go. Yes. Oh, yeah. No, no, I'm here. No, I I'm I'm clear. Okay, John, I am also clear. Okay, Jerry. Perfect. Yes. Now, I understand. I do appreciate all the questions and all that time we just spent figuring out the math. But that helped helped a lot. Good. Thanks. Thank you. And who did I miss? I missed somebody. Brad, I already know. But who else did I miss? There was somebody else. I'm fine. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry, Jackie. Jackie. Jackie. I'm hiding up here.

Yeah. You're in the jungle. I see. Y twice. All right. So, where do we go from here? I believe we're in agreement that this petition, this application can go forward. Is that right? So, if if that's the case, I would like a motion on the variance first. What? What are you not going to ask if there are people who want That's right. Thank you. Go ahead. remind me what I'm supposed to say.

And board, have you been able to see there were uh three letters of support sent that are on the um on the website as well, which I can bring up, but I think we have some um also some attendees that have been waiting patiently. Oh, I didn't know that. Sorry. Hey, thanks.

Is there anybody that wishes to speak in favor of this application? Uh, hi. I'm Sean Yunen and I live right across the street from Jeff and I and uh we have me and my wife have absolutely no problem with uh everything you've been talking about. It doesn't sound like a big a big uh expansion at all. So, and their house is very beautiful and it will only get more beautiful. So, I'm all for it. We're all for it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Sean. Is there anyone else who wishes to speak in favor of this application?

I would have to say that the town will benefit from this uh construction because it's probably going to raise our property taxes. Oh, it will. That's a senior center.

And and Jeff, if you look at uh our special permit criteria, fiscal impact is one of the items to check off. So, yeah, taxes are going to go up for you. I'm sorry. Uh, anyone else wishes to speak in favor of this application? Is there anyone wishing to speak in opposition to the application? Is there anyone out there that hasn't spoken yet and wishes to? because I I don't see too many people on the thing, so I'm flying blind as to how many people are out there. I'm sorry about that.

No, I I think we we've got um I think you got everybody, Mr. Chair.

Okay, so back to making some motions. Um the first one would be on the variance. Do we have a motion option? Somebody going to make a motion for us? Um, I make a motion that we grant uh to allow uh the building coverage to expand from 15% to 67 I mean I'm sorry 16.57% descent um which creates a new nonconformity and that this desirable relief will be granted without substantial detriment to either the public good or the intent and purpose of the bylaw. Is that right?

Uh yes. Good. Do we get a second? Second, Jerry seconds. Any further discussion on that item? Nope. Brad, yes. Yes. Lesie, yes. John, yes. Jerry, yes. And Jackie, yes.

And I'll be a yes as well. Um now the special permit the special permit is because we're extending it along the same nonconformity

and if the the adverse effects that proposed will not outweigh its beneficial impacts to the town or the neighborhood. And we have six conditions to think about here to consider as as Bill likes to point out include consideration of each of the following social, economic, community needs, traffic and parking, adequacy of public service, neighborhood character, impacts on the environment, and any fiscal impact. and have you know if we have anything that's outstanding there I don't see them

I think our consideration is that there is negligible impact is that right correct so can I get a motion to that effect that the special permit criteria are met

I make a motion uh that we grant the special permit it um to allow the renovations that would extend the pre-existing nonconformity by encroaching into the western side. Set back 12 ft provided versus 15 ft required. Oh, wait a minute. Um give and that uh in so doing it does not Hey, you took away those words. Oh, sorry.

It does not um Yeah, thanks. Uh that it does uh that it's um the adverse effects uh will not outweigh the benefits to the town. um in terms of social, economic and community needs, traffic, parking, adequacy of public services, the neighborhood character, the impacts on the environment, nor fiscal impact. Good. Do we get a second? Second. Excellent, Jerry. Thank you. Any further comment, discussion? I have one question, Mr. Chair, if I may.

Sure. Do I was uh did you want the 164 um or do you want to just make it up to not to exceed 17 in case there's a 17% was what I thought was a that's fine if you want to change it that's fine with me if it's up to the board but yes that that that goes back to the variance. So, let's let's vote on the special permit and then we'll go back to the variance and tweak that number. So, we're voting on the special permit to extend the nonconformity. Brad,

yes. Lesie, yes. John, yes. Jerry, yes. Jackie, yes. And I'll be a yes as well. Now, Bill raised an interesting question on the variance. Do we want to make a second motion to clarify that 16 something to a simple 17? I make a motion that we um amend that. Okay. That that we make a motion to amend the previous motion to make it 17%.

Something simple like that. Good. I like that. That's being efficient. Do I get a second? Second. Okay. Any other discussion on that point? No. No further discussion. Brad, yes. Lesie, yes. John, yes. Jerry, yes. Jackie, yes.

That'll be yes as well. So that means folks that your your application has been approved and now I like to give it back to the town to describe what happens next. And since it says town staff for Zoe, Zoe gets to describe what happens next.

Thank you and thank you for your patience um as we went through everything in detail. Um so now the um so the uh application the request has been approved. There will now be a 20day appeal period. Well, first the the decision has to be drafted which we'll try to get done um right away. It's a relatively straightforward decision that shouldn't take too long to get um stamped in by the town clerk. um the day after the um decision is stamped in there commences a 20-day appeal period um which in this case is probably um you know a mere inconvenience as as we know you've had a lot of u support from your neighbors on this but it is required by mass state law that there be a 20-day appeal period and um when that period has elapsed you will be able to pick up um a certified letter from the town clerk's office here and have the decision recorded at the South Middle Sex Registry of Deeds. At that point, you may apply for your building permit and um uh move forward with the construction process. Um

how long does that take the building permit? Yeah. Um, it shouldn't take very long at all seeing as Rick is familiar with this that he's he understands what you've been that this process and um I believe he has the plans already in hand. So once the appellet period is is up, he can um he can just hit the button and and um could come in and pay for the permit and get started

the same day. Um once the decision is recorded then um that should it it depending on I think some of these things just depend on the individualities of what day it is and who's in the office but um I will make sure that he's aware that you're waiting for that. I know that that he's been working with you on this so it won't come as a surprise. All right. Thank you. Thank you Zoe. Thank you for your help also Bill. Yeah, we appreciate that. It's been long waiting. Yeah. And I I really appreciate your patience as as we go through this.

Um each application has its own unique characters and I I just try to make things, you know, good for posterity because you never know which one might have issues in the future. We just want to make sure the the document has been thoroughly developed. And again, I appreciate your patience and I wish you the best. Thank you so much. Thank you for your time as well. I have one little question. Sure. Go ahead, Jeff. Um, it was a unanimous decision, which we appreciate. Uh, does it have to be unanimous or is it just a majority decision?

Well, it's it's actually neither. We It's there are five voting members and we want to have what is it, Bill? A super majority. So, we want to have four affirmative to make something work. We have an alternate on it. Jackie is an alternate. So, uh, she was voting because I asked her to, but her vote doesn't count because it's simply we needed four positive votes. I see. Thank you. Yeah, we appreciate it. Yeah. And good and again, good luck to you guys. Thank you so much. Have a good night.

Thank you. Is there anything else on our agenda that we need to discuss tonight? No. Can I can I ask a question or make suggestion um moving forward um with the um applications for um these types of um additions that people want to put on. Is it possible that we could require in the um package a a drawing that shows what it's going to look like from the side? You know, like expected drawing. We've we've done that in the past,

but it might be easier if we just have those with every application. I mean, they're they're getting um architectural drawings anyway, so it's just it's, you know, the architect just, you know, clicks the numbers and and and does it automatically.

My my answer to that, Brad, is a definite maybe. And the reason I'm I'm not all for it is to hire an architect to do some of these might be an extra cost. Some of them, sure, they're already on board, but not all of them. And for just saying, okay, I want to bump out a porch into the same building configuration, that should be enough. But if they're putting up a two-story thing, yeah, those bigger ones, then I would say sure. So I I would say it's on a case-byase basis. That's the way I would read it.

We typically do ask for that in something like this where is an extension like that. It was just missed in this particular case because as you said the architect did on the other hand it may be a use permit that has nothing to do with the design you know or something like that. So it could be but but yes you're right Brad and in in the cases like Paul said if it's a if it is a small scale project you know we would take that into account and sometimes just a drawing can take place but but in general is a good rule and if there's an architect involved certainly is a something for a special permit it just makes it easier to for us to decide whether it is you know does it does it change the character of the um of the the in the neighborhood.

Understand? So could I also say something to Brett because I still do not understand what is it that you wanted to see because in that 10 pages there are different perspectives that you can look at it and imagine how it look. I understood that you want to have it threedimensional just to have a feeling the way that Zoe helped us from the Google map. So you can see um that requires a little bit more. Yeah, it's it's not a threedimensional drawing that I'm looking for.

It could it could just be a two-dimensional drawing, but it would show um what the house looks like when it would be finished. For instance, it would show the siding, it would show the stairs, it would show the railings, uh it would show the windows, you know, maybe the window casing around it, things like that. So, it looks more what the finished product would would look like.

Okay. So, the current drawings that we provided does not give you that answer. That's what you are saying as far when I hear you. I said we all it's already there. So I don't know what else that the uh architect can provide. Maybe we can just work with them a little bit closer because I just cannot envision what else the art architect could draw. Um so that is something the whole architectural package.

So I I don't know what's I don't know what's included. Maybe the drawings are there. Oh, exactly. That's also something interesting that you guys didn't see all that 10 pages. There's a lot of drawings there that you didn't see. Maybe that's was the part of the problem. Maybe I think we didn't get I was looking through for some reason we don't have an ecopy in the file of that. I don't know why.

Yeah, maybe that's an issue. Maybe that would be note to the town next time when they because there's a lot of drawings there and I feel like your questions would be answered what was provided there. just just I think something that might be a good like a visual aid is like um if you see things like this where there's some kind of um there's some sort of drawing that shows whether it's it's detailed or not uh that this it's it's frequently something that's at street level that shows this is what the finished home will look like and it's usually only one drawing of many where you'll have a plan set that's all in that's all to scale and shows drawing plans that you can build from and then often in the front cover or somewhere along the line there'll be a single drawing or two one or two like this that might be a marker

something like that. I think that's that seems to be what they're asking for.

That's what Brad is asking for. Okay. Thank you for the clarification Zoe. The second thing that I wanted to add before we go for the town, um, when we were getting ready for this application with Jeff and Ilson, uh, all these questions are very important questions and need to get clarified, but yet we didn't know there were these restrictions before we bought the house. Uh, so and we are really on the edge of it and it's a small property. We just bought it within 24 hours because we had to. So all these questions are coming up and we are just spending all this time and effort and finance to have that 1 and a half% increase. I was wondering when this is a state law um if a town can have a way that you know up to 5% the town would have the power to grant the permit rather than going through the zone. I don't know if that could be worked into that make the process bigger because I've been waiting for this since you know the uh June to get the te's cross and the eyes dotted. Is there anything uh that can be done about it? Maybe Bill and Zoe would answer that or no, this is the way it's going to be going forward

or anyone else that has done a project. Yeah, in June is not June to now is not that long. Honestly, I've done a few projects. Well, it is. I know. And it costs money and it's frustrating, but um it's Yeah, sometimes it takes longer, unfortunately. And but then you have everything done and you have your tees as as we were saying, you have your tees crossed, you know. So yeah. So that's

yeah to answer the question we have the ability as the zoning board to look at the increased percentage and there's this cool term called dimminimus

and and we have granted several in the past where the number was so small it's it's it's non-existent. So it's a dimminimous kind of thing. yours was just beyond that and it was good that you came here because as I was pushing on the numbers the numbers are now in the record and it's there and if there is any dispute anywhere down the road even 30 years 40 years from now they'll look at the records and say they considered it and everything is good. Okay. So

that was it was very true. Yeah I appreciate it. uh your diligence there, Paul. Yeah. Um so, okay. All right. Maybe I would for you know I am just it is 3 3:30 in the morning here because I was waiting for this meeting and I had to travel for my parents' care. I am overseas. So that needed to be included that I was there whole summer to oversee the construction and we are now pushing Ilson to finish it before the snow sets in. So there are inconveniences like that. So I was wondering if the town can have some leverage on there, but it sounds like we have to cross our tees and dot our eyes

because if if we went the way you're suggesting and have the town do it and somebody catches them now, you got hell because you know somebody broke a rule somewhere. If they just say, "Okay, you can do it." and and no, they they didn't do their homework properly. I see. And so, yeah, we're we're doing it the right way. Have confidence in us, but I apologize. It does take time to do all this. So, hopefully we made the next uh owner's job much easier. They don't need to do anything else with this house. It is done. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

All right. Thank you so much for for your time and everything else. and Sean, thank you so much for your support. You're welcome. And Sher is here in spirit also. So I know she is. Thank you so much. Thanks. Thank you for coming. Have a good night. You too. Night. So on on the board stuff, is there anything else on the agenda that we should talk through at this time? because I'm I'm interested in getting the current zoning bylaw with all the latest additions

so I can review it and become a student of it because I haven't seen the last set of approved things from town meeting and that was promised since the last town meeting. So

I can give you an update on that. Um we did receive um we did receive um approval for most of the most recent most recently adopted changes. Um, we are still there there's on our ADU um we're still a there's still some things that we need to modify in order to be compliant with the Affordable Homes Act, but I'm working right now on the um on the incorporating those revisions into our hard copy or PDF version. So, um we have special town meeting a week from tonight. Um, and a couple more things that we're probably going to add there, but there should be a draft um, ready for you to look at at least in PDF format by by the middle of November.

Okay. And when you say some revisions, those were things that had been voted on town meeting and the state said not quite. Yes. And so now what do you do? you have to send them back to town meeting with the revisions. Not all of them, but possibly some of them. And and Bill um Bill can go into more detail on that. Um

yeah, to be clear, we just got the notice from the attorney general, I think Thursday. This last Thursday now and and so this is just we just got it from the spring. So it just came in. A matter of fact, she's coming here tomorrow. So we can we can scold her about that. But uh yeah, so we we have had like you know we didn't know about these for till five days or so. But uh but Zoe's been reformatting everything and and it's special plugins in have it in a few weeks there and then you should be on good to go. the the uh accessory dwelling units were uh the changes that um were made would not be anything that would particularly I don't think would really interest you a heck of a lot except the one that they threw out completely which this this floored us right now as you know when we do setbacks for a structure okay you know like you have a rear set back side set back whatever when We have an accessory structure like a garage or a shed. Okay.

Yeah. Usually five feet, right? Now, when we think about from the rear, huh? From the rear. From the rear. Yeah.

Five feet. Let's say you don't expect people to live in a shed or in a garage. So, I mean, whenever we're talking about accessory structure, we just say, "Well, that got thrown out." They said because it's a dwelling unit, you're making it more restrictive by make because we said that the ADUs have to abide by the setbacks of the principal dwelling. They said, "No, that is too restrictive because you allow accessory dwelling units to have a reduc a setback of of 5T, let's say." And we said, "But, you know, there's nobody in it." They said, "That's not the point. The point is that it's more restrictive." So, that that's the kind of stuff. So, we have to change that. The other one was um we said accessory uh it we're defining an accessory dwelling unit as a uh how did it how did it read was it

it was originally as an accessory to a single family house but as a result we we um closed off two family and three family dwellings from having an accessory dwelling unit which they are allowed to have. Um, so we needed to change that from single family to the principal dwelling. And then the other thing is that our requirements for short restriction on short-term rentals

was is too restrictive because under the state's definition of short-term rental, short-term rental is for a rental for a period of under 31 days or 31 days or less. And we specified 90 days. and they're saying that we have to conform to the state's definition of short-term rentals. So, we cannot require 90 days minimum of rental for a short-term. I hate ads now. I used to like them. I used to love them now. But, uh, so that's that's the big thing. And then the formatting. Zoe's done a great job with that. We also put some illustrations in it. Um now so

now we we have a setback diagram. Yeah we have illustrations we did really good so thanks for your patience in that but be a couple weeks and and you'll have a problem. Yeah good because I I think the rest of the board would like it too. My my my interest is to try to understand it better and and you know guys when when I poke at it I usually find things that are confusing and you know maybe there'll be more things confusing maybe less because Zoe's been working on it and hopefully it all be better but I just want to understand what we got for for zoning laws. Sure. So

yeah, my I haven't been I haven't been changing anything that was didn't go through town meeting. So I I hate to disappoint, but if I uh if I had my way, I I'd do all kinds of fun stuff, but I'm just incorporating the changes from the warrants going back to 2023 to make sure they're all there. We've got our powder mill overlay that was hasn't been published yet. Um, so we've got a lot of material that's that's in a backlog that we need to get in there and print so that people can know what is the current state of the law. That would be a good thing to have. Yes. So Brad Brad is waving at us. Hi.

I have I have a question. Speaking of confusion about the powder mill uh overlay and town meeting, um what I have been trying to file the warrants for the town meeting where you're doing a um overlay and you have a an A, B, C, and D of different and bylaws or whatever they are and and

oh and ENF. Oh, okay. So, I've been I've been reading the warrants and I honestly I don't know what the um the planning board has proposed for this. I mean, what's the difference between, you know, A, B, C, D, and E or whatever whatever they are because it's going to be something that the town is going to vote on uh next week or and I don't I mean I I couldn't explain it to anybody. Bill, I I can if you if you want you want to let me let take a take a whirl. Okay. So,

great. PODA is um specific for our MBTA community's requirement. So we needed to and that represents the Stratus campus 111 Powder Mill Road, former Stratus campus. And so that set of four parcels was zoned in order to allow multif family housing by right up to 17 units per acre. Um, and so that was our first phase of the overlay and it was passed just with those four parcels in order to meet our state requirement to have 3A compliance zoning. Now B, C, DE, and F are being um planned out around attempting to be sensitive to the existing residential and business uses of the pattern corridor. now because depending on where you are, whether you're on the Waltham Street intersection or going a bit towards Conquered and Actton, it has a more residential character with smaller lots and more densely populated residential um uses. And so there these these subd districts are being drawn to to largely respect what's currently there but to grant optional use flexibility in the area of mixed use and more commercial development and more multif family development in those parts of pattern road that can support it. Um so the space between the Elks Club and the public housing uh on Powdermill Circle, for example, um is one of the sub those are subdists that that are being proposed for this town meeting where previous industrial parcels or previous commercial parcels might um be

redeveloped into mixed use or multif family without um being too disruptive to the um you know residential area on the other side of the street. So that's just kind of what where that's um what's motivating that what's before plan a town meeting next week is only D and F. Um and there should be um there there is going to be a presentation at town meeting just showing what uh DE and F will consist of but each one is tailored to try to be um to fit well within what's already there. Okay. Is there a Is there a map that's going to show it where like we have overlay maps for everything? Okay. So, is there one that exists?

Yeah, I don't need to see it. I just want to know if it's Yes, if you have the proposal one. Okay. I can actually just show I can I didn't see that in the warrant articles. So, I didn't see a map.

It's It's not a um we don't have like an official zoning map yet. Uh but what I can show you just what we made as an illustration, just as a visual aid. Um hang on, share my screen. Um okay, so this shows D, E, and F. Um, B and C are still pending largely because I I think because they're more residential and we don't want to uh we don't want to uh we want to we want to be thoughtful about what makes sense for those more residential parts of Powdermill Road. So E is from just past 20 Pmmeill Road, just past uh the 20 Powder Mill Road up through and including the Elks uh the Elks complex. D is from there up until about Powdermill Sports or the John Deere. F is the storage um the self storage And so if that were to change to if that were to to change use, there would be that optional overlay because it's currently industrially zoned.

Okay, great. Thank you. So, I appreciate the the update, guys, because I didn't realize the complexity of the powder mill thing and I didn't know when I might get the latest version of the bylaws. So, thank you very much. Um, is there anything else we should chat about at this point or should we say good night? I'm not hearing anything. Somebody make a motion to get us out of here. Good night.

I move to ajourn. Thank you. Do I get a second? Second. All in favor? Yes. Okay. Thank you very much everybody. Thanks folks. Monday. Thank you. Bye.