16 Budget and Finance Committee - Regular Meeting

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And, yeah, wastewater disinfection disinfection is so important. I wouldn't wish what I've been going through on anyone. The people at clinical labs are absolutely wonderful. But, yeah, I don't want anyone to have to go down there. And, yeah, this is so preventable. And a little bit of funding for CBS eleven sixty nine, adopt the LIMO, adopt the solutions, and, we can move forward. So thank you so much.

Thank you. Any questions for mister Liggett? Seeing none. Thank you very much. Thanks for being here.

Thank you.

Take care. Next testifier, please. Sure, the next

testifier is Jim Langford.

Mr. Langford? Mr. Scott, hello, Chair. I wanted to start by saying thank you, Chairman, for all and and thank you, counsel.

You guys are doing really great work and keeping yourselves emotionally centered and grounded, and it's really hard to do that with all this going on. I wanna take a moment, and I wanna thank you guys personally. My software, has, helped stop some corruption over in the State Building. So just wanted to let you guys know that, and thank you for all your help, letting me watch all these meetings and find out who the bad actors may be. And

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I I'm really good proud question. Of you all for standing up and making sure that the right things get done for our people. Light of some information did come up in light of the lieutenant governor stepping down. So I have new information for you folks on

Excuse me. Please talk about the budget.

On the budget so that you don't find yourselves in a situation that violates Sunshine or the HRSA 84, I believe, which is Charities. Notice some improprieties during the wildfire stuff so before you sign any budget. Please make sure that you communicate. To all of the public any relationships that may be tied to Ms. Lake and any of her staff or folks that were named in the previous get a to going be I that's think there that's is a bias.

Potentially in our police department. And those some names.

I have popped up in my auditing work as well so to I that's

I that's looking forward to protecting you guys further. Thank you. And I love you.

Thank you. Any questions?

Good luck with the budget.

Sorry. Any questions for the testifier? Thank you. Next testifier, please.

Chair, we haven't received any additional request for testimony. What I see an individual approaching the podium?

Individual with liberty and justice for all. Ohio chair Koshiro Sugimura, thank you for the, letting the, I I really appreciate you allowing the previous testifiers to complete their testimony without objection. Wine word of the day, Koneya, restored to health. So, yeah, speaking on the budget, I'm speaking of, well, let me just go ahead with the say what the five man electrical band said in 1971. And the sign said long haired freaky people need not apply.

So I took my hair up under my hat, and I went in to ask him why. He said, you look like a fine outstanding young man. I think you'll do. And I said, imagine do to

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able time.

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The individual is seeking clarification about returning later in the meeting. If you'd like to designate him a Risa source or.

I think, you know, I'm gonna take a little recess. Okay. Okay. Two minutes for to to 09:45. To the Budget Finance Economic Development Committee, it is now 11:11. And, thank you for the break. We were waiting for some technical difficulties. And at this time, I'd like to welcome all the members. So member, Ohajans.

Good morning, chair. Good morning, everyone. Good morning. Member Johnson.

Welcome. Good morning, chair, council members. I'm here and ready to work. Great. Member Paul Paulton.

Aloha Kakaya Kakako, streaming live and direct from the council chambers.

Thank you. Member Batangan.

Aloha Kako.

Okay, everybody. We're all here. Thank you very much. I have to start by first thanking everybody for, really working hard. As you know, budget is always a grind. And it is our responsibility on the council side to just be fiscally responsible and take the budget as you all just did, tear it apart, listen to the community, at the residency area meetings as well as all the testifiers that have come forward up until, this morning. We had our last bunch of, testimony. So appreciate that. It's been, a hard on your families. I think the other night, my my husband actually stayed up late so he could talk story with me.

Yeah. And I'm sure you must be experiencing that with your children. They must be missing you, and I asked member Batangan if his kids are watching him on TV. So I hope so. And and Alice too. Your children are missing you. But, anyway, it it it is a grind, and I, appreciate what you have given back to the community in terms of your time and sacrifices with the families with your families. It is our responsibility to be fiscally responsible. It is the checks and balance of government. And through the process of reading the many, many layers many oh, yeah.

It is our responsibility by reading all the responses that we've got from the department as to as well as making phone calls and meetings that you have done in of then we'll get sense to

this time, I'd like to

close get public testimony and receive a written testimony. I didn't do that. And Oh, last call.

Chair, this is the last call for oral testimony. If anyone would like to come up to testify, please come up to the podium or raise your hand on Microsoft Teams. The countdown is three, two, one. Seeing none, chair, no one has indicated that they wish to testify.

Okay. Thank you. With your permission, I'd like to, close public testimony and, receive written testimony as we have done every day. So to continue, what I'm gonna do today is call in some members for revisits. I'm gonna talk about county wide, look at the bills that were proposed by administration as well as member Johnson, and then we'll do talk about general budget provisions, talk about RPT, but I am gonna ask for the staff has to rebalance our numbers and make sure it's fine and then take a two hour lunch so that you can and we can get ready for the RPT discussion.

It's going to be huge. I'm very grateful we're not doing this at two in the morning or even on a Sunday, I think that was last year's experience. So we are ahead of the game in terms of my memories in the past. So thank you very much. So at this time, I wanted to ask Member Cook, you want to first 19.

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second of

After having a discussion with managing director today, I request that we withdraw the $2,000,000 appropriation for the assisting South Maui residents and small businesses affected by the Kona low storms. The principle is for mold mediation, small businesses. And after discussion between the federal government and the Maui County disaster funds, that's being funded and it's already underway. And this isn't necessary, and I don't want the potential to have the confusion of double servicing and giving the federal government issue. Thank you.

Okay. Thank you very much.

So to Motion to

withdraw Second.

Second, member Ohajans. All in favor, raise your hand, say aye. Nine ayes. Thank you. Motion carries. Thank you very much. Yeah, we're down to the grind. So for mine, last night, we were talking about, oh, you gotta, sorry, no, he gotta leave.

I'm happy to leave. Also have a couple last minute changes.

Let's do yours first then.

Okay, thank you. So I'm actually gonna do one for Tom first and then I'll do one for myself. Okay, go ahead. Okay. So I move on page 55 of the budget bills in our special purpose revenue funds. I remove to reduce the $1,800,000 that's left in anticipated revenues from managed retreat revolving fund. As you might remember, I described that we don't actually have to put money in there right now by $1,000,000 and use that to offset member Cook's Kihei drainage master plan work of $1,000,000 That's my motion. Second.

Member Cook, motion made by member Woo and second by member Cook. Discussion.

I kinda did my little bit discussion in my motion, but we don't we don't buy we don't have to fund this right now, and the work is quite similar so we can reduce our offset because we can move this into cash and offset with this, which I do think kind of fits just a little bit, not exactly, but a little bit, and then we can have $1,000,000 more in cash funding. Okay.

No other discussion. All in favor raise your hand say aye. Aye. Okay. Nine ayes motion carries. Member Woo Hodgins.

Thank you so much. And then I spoke to budget director Milner yesterday over dinner. Thank you, budget director, because I know you're listening for giving me a few minutes of your dinner. On page 52 of the budget bill special purpose res revenue funds in the GET excise tax, I move to condition up to $9,000,000, must be for the Ho'onani Village mixed use development project for well and water system improvements infrastructure and connections.

Okay. Second. Chair Lee. Motion made by Member Woo Haj and second by Chair Lee. Discussion? Thank you.

Can you repeat the motion? Sorry, wasn't Sure, paying

absolutely.

So let me just explain that we have $9,000,000 left in the GET, taxed fund, and I'm gonna condition what's left in that fund, so no movements of more money. So I'm just gonna condition what's left, which is about 9 and change, but I'm only gonna do 9. We'll leave

the

change for the Ho'onani Village mixed use development project for well and water system improvement infrastructure and connections. Connections.

Okay. Member of Palton.

Okay. For my discussion, I'm happy to do this at this time. And then, you know, as the water department and the whole O'Nani folks talk, if it becomes unfeasible or whatever, they can just come back to us for a budget amendment to remove the condition. It's just giving it the opportunity now to move forward.

Exactly. So in my conversation with budget director yesterday, as we all know, we're still in the conversation portion of this project. But as we also all know, all this stuff takes years and years and years. And my hope is that we can expedite this project because we needed housing last week, last year, last decade. So this is just to assist in finding a way to provide housing for our community sooner than later. And thank you all for your support. Thank you, member Colton.

Yeah. I can support it. I mean, because of the unknowns and the potential at this moment, if at any time they figure out, like, oh, the well doesn't produce as much as they need or whatever, then they can just come back to us with a budget if they need to use the money for some other purpose, and it's not adding money to the budget. So I I don't have a problem with it at this time.

Thank you, member Paulson. Member Patankin.

Thank you, chair. As this project is on the same property as Emil's transportation base yard and I really don't know what impacts it might have on the organization. I have an abundance of caution. I will be abstaining from discussion and participation in this vote.

Thank you. Thank you. So any more discussion? All in favor, raise your hands. Roll call? Okay. Roll call.

Chair proceeding with the roll call vote, council member Tom Cook?

Aye.

Council member Gabe Johnson?

Yes.

Council chair Alice Lee? Aye. Council member Tamara Fulton? Aye. Council member Kanye, honest Fernandez? No. Council member Shainson NC?

Aye.

Council member Nohei Woo Hajins? Aye. Committee vice chair Gunhoy Batangen?

Abstain.

Abstain. Committee chair Yuki Lei Sugimura? Aye. Chair, there's seven ayes, one no, one excused. Motion passes.

I think it's important we clarify he recused, not excused, or abstained because that's the word we're supposed to use. Right? Okay.

Thank you.

Thank you. K. Any any more? Okay.

I do not have, but I will recuse myself now so you can continue to have your conversation. Think you're probably gonna have. Thank you.

Yeah. Thank you. So now you will recuse yourself, member Wu Hanjin. This was talked about last night, and I'm bringing it back. I moved to amend the conditional language under fringe benefits to read as follows. Funds may be used for costs related to supplemental agreements for the master agreements for collective bargaining contracts provided that $1,184,375 for terminal pay salary adjustments shall be reserved for Bargaining Units 15 contract cost items and any supplemental executed for bargaining agreement 11 and bargaining unit 15.

Second.

Motion second, thank you. And for our discussion, last night Budget Director Milner informed us that there are sufficient funds in the budget to cover potential supplemental agreements for Bargaining Unit eleven and fifteen. The $1,184,375 amount reflects the expansion budget request on Page eight-fifty seven of the budget details and reference on Page two of budget BD, sorry, Budget Director Letter 15. The purpose of the conditional language is to ensure that at least this amount is dedicated for Bargaining Unit eleven and fifteen supplemental agreements. If you look on Page eight of the budget details, Bill 55, towards the bottom, it talks about countywide cost fringe benefits and there's $175,000,000 in there.

So this would be added to that. And BD 15, the response is what I referenced. And what it says is that the wage increases for bargaining units eleven and fifteen are included in 9,070 seven-74B6550 for the that I designated or I stated $1,184,375 under the Department of Finance Countywide Cost Fringe Benefits and the Department may also use salary savings to support these increases. The base of the amount budgeted is a 3% increase for all impacted personnel. So this is for bargaining units eleven and fifteen.

Member Palton?

I guess I just have a question on what our goals are, and I don't know if there's an answer. But for me, my goal would be parity or equity or equality, whatever you wanna call it, amongst all of our first responders. And I'm not sure what the police got exactly, but I think it was, like, 5%. And I don't know if that's good enough, but I haven't heard the same kind of complaint from police as fire. And so, like, for me, I would I would imagine it should be equitable between police, fire, ocean safety, all of our first responder classes.

I don't know if the strategy is to jump on because bargaining unit fifteen is the one or not the one, but supplemental agreements are held up because they haven't reached the contract, and they're the only bargaining unit that hasn't reached the contract.

Mhmm.

So, you know, I think my hope would be that the other first responders support bargaining unit fifteen to get parity with the police, and then we bring up fire to get parity with everybody else so that all the first responders are treated equitably because a lot of times they're literally risking their life, their health, and all the things. And why would we treat one class of first responders different from another class of first responders when we all agree that they risk their lives to do the jobs that they do. They could have long term health impacts from the jobs that they do, and why wouldn't we why would we treat one class of first responders different than the other? So for me, in the negotiations that are, I guess, either stalled or ongoing for bargaining unit fifteen, I would support parity with police,

and

I would support parity for bargaining unit eleven firefighters to get parity. Like, I don't see how anything less is right. So I hope that this proposal will get us to that point where we treat all of our first responders equitably. There's pros and cons to each line of first responder work, but they all risk their lives. They all can suffer health impacts. And so that's what I would hope that voting for this would do. Thank you.

Thank you. Anybody else have anything? Okay. So thank you for allowing me to bring this back. We heard you loud and clear when we passed the bargaining unit resolution at the last council meeting, and I think that we all stand by what you say.

And because of that, I wanted to do this because I want the firefighters to know that supplemental will happen after the contracts are done. So this is in addition to and to support that effort and I'm seeing that this is money already in the budget for that purpose. I agree with you that Schoppel got or the police officers got whatever their agreement was. And I think that I assume that the firefighters would get something similar, but they have not. It's so it's really bad and even no step increases, right?

And so I'm glad that there is a Hawaii Labor Board discussion going on about just how negotiations were going, and hopefully they get that resolved. I think that if in case that agreement does come back to us for a new revise, I don't know how this the right words for it, but I think that all of us would stand by the firefighters and when the ocean safety, which their negotiations hasn't even done yet, is not even done yet. But when that comes, I'm sure that we will stand by them for the same reason. So this money is to to show our support, and I hope that you will support this.

And to be clear that we can't even enter into a supplemental until the entirety of the bargaining units contracts get settled. And, I don't mean to say, like, bargaining unit fifteen is holding it up because it's not like the workers' fault that it's the they don't have really much to do with the negotiations. But until their, unit gets a contract, then we can start, with the supplemental agreements. But my understanding is we can't, enter into the supplemental agreements until all of the unions have contracts. Is that correct?

I think all of the bargaining unit is done. Right?

Yeah. So they're not because

I think they haven't even started negotiating.

Board director might have more Budget director.

Thank you, chair. Thank you, council member Paul. Yes. It's my understanding because we've already entered into supplemental agreements with some of the other unions whose master agreements have been concluded. So once the union's master agreement is concluded, then we can move into the supplemental. Thank you, chair. Yeah.

Oh, so, we don't need to wait for bargaining unit fifteen to enter into a contract?

Thank you, chair. Thank you, council member Paul. No. I believe those are separate union agreements, so we could proceed, with one while the other is still in negotiation because they're separate. But, I will defer to, DPS and managing director if they, have anything they wanna share with you, when you speak to them. Thank you, chair. K.

Oh, okay. Yeah. Well, that's better. Nobody needs to wait then.

We just need the other counties to pass, so that's an important thing. All right, with your all in favor raise your hands. Oh, you want to say something? Member Johnson, sorry.

I just want to say a rising tide lifts all boats and I'm ready to vote. Thank you, Chair.

Thank you. Okay, all in favor of members raise your hand and say aye. Aye. Okay, this is eight ayes and one recused, right, Member Ohajans. Thank you, thank you very much for letting me point. Think point. I that's very size the two that was by member Johnson. So bill 61 is, does anybody wanna read the title like you do, like clerks do?

Thank you.

Chair, so Bill 61 before the body is a bill for an ordinance establishing a new chapter 3.101 Maui County Code for a fiscal reserve fund.

Okay. So this one I'm going to refer to BFED for later, okay. Bill 62.

Chair perhaps.

We got to take a motion.

Yes, the body can take a motion to recommend referral of the bill to Okay. The BFED

Chair Lee, thank you. Second. Second.

Motion to recommend referral.

Thank you. And second by Member, Wu Hajis. Thank you.

Excuse me, this initiated by the administration?

Yes. Okay.

In favor. Question. Go ahead.

We doing one of the bills because there's seventy six and seventy seven?

We're doing all. All the bills. We're going to do all, but not 55. We're not ready for 55.

One at a time though. So only 60 or the only bill that the recommendation before that the committee is making right now is

on Bill 60 Only

Bill 61, right now before.

Bill 61, okay. Because you were talking about Member Johnson's bill and then you made a motion.

Yes. Chair, if you allow, I'd like Bill sixty six and sixty seven to be referred to great committee.

You finish? Did finish we taking

that We didn't move on the motion Okay. Of the

Let's go in order, okay? Okay. All in favor of Bill 61 being referred to B Fed? Nine ayes, motion carries. Now we're doing Bill 62. We're doing it in numerical sequence. Go ahead, James.

Sure. So Bill 62 is a bill for an ordinance amending sections 3.54.020, 3.54.025, 3.5520 and 3.5530 Maui County Code on the solid waste management fund and the environmental protection and sustainability fund.

Okay. So recommend first passage of Bill. So moved. Okay. Thank you. Chair Lee, second by Member Palton. Thank you. Any discussion? All in favor, raise your hand, say aye. Aye. Thank you. Nine ayes, motion carries. Okay. Bill 63.

Chair, Bill 63 as with the recommended amendments from the committee is a bill for an ordinance amending sections 3.38.010 and 3.38.20 Maui County Code on renaming the Hawaiian Cultural Restoration Revolving Fund and using the funds to expand the Lahaina Royal Complex area.

Chair, we did that last night.

We just amended the title. Didn't pass it. We just amended it.

How can we amend the bill without a main motion?

Okay. I guess then we didn't really amend it if that's the case. Go ahead.

Well, for budget session, you know how the committee has been making its amendments to the bill throughout this whole week, right? Typically, in this sort of situation where committee can make a recommendation to pass the bill with the committee's amendments. So in this situation, the body could proceed with that.

I'll accept your response, Mr. Krueger.

Thank you.

So moved on the motion. Second.

Chair and okay, motion made by Chair Lee, second by Member Palton.

Sorry, I got confused from that. So what is what is before us now?

The amended bill from last night.

Bill 63 and we corrected the name. Change of name.

Thank you.

Thank you. All in favor raise your hand.

Oh discussion.

Oh go ahead.

So initially, I was a little bit hesitant to do this because there wasn't a plan on how to continue to contribute to the revenue source because the parking lot that was generating the revenue for this revolving fund, they would like is part of the royal complex that needs to be restored. Mokoola, local Mokuhinia Mokuhinia. And so if we weren't gonna use the parking lot for revenue and we're going to restore parts of the royal complex, how would we refund the fund? But in committee, Department of OUV Resources mentioned that they found 120 other county owned stalls that they would use to generate revenue that are not on sacred sites. As well as, I wanted to point out that the Department of OUV Resources has brought in 2,000,000 in addition to this revolving fund for the restoration of the Royal Complex area.

And I think that action alone shows that they are taking it very seriously and on the financial side and bringing in money and not just expending money and it shows the worth of the department's creation in just the first couple of years. All the things that we depend on them for so I'm willing to support them on this direction that they choose to go in. For many, many years, there hasn't really been any kind of movement with this fund because there hasn't been, like, an overall vision, and this provides the overall vision that we would like to restore the Royal Lahaina Complex area or sorry, Lahaina Royal Complex area. Think. Thank you.

Okay, thank you. So any other discussion? All right all in favor raise your hand say aye. Aye. Motion carries nine ayes. Bill 64.

Chair, this is a bill for an ordinance amending title three Maui County code on electric vehicle charging fees.

K. I recommend passage on bill 50, sixty four twenty twenty six. Thank you.

Second.

Okay so Member Patongian you made the motion. Okay Member Uhajans and second by Member Patongian. All right any discussion? Member Paulson.

With the additional fee that we added last night, do we need to make note of that in this bill?

Do we need to Mr. Hanano, oh, go ahead.

3102 020 says fees. All charging fees are set in the annual budget ordinance.

Okay. So we did it. Shouldn't I need k. K. All in any more discussion? All in favor, raise your hand and say aye. K. Motion carries nine ayes. So that one was member Oh Jin's first, and then second was member Batangkian. Now we have yours, which is 66 and 67.

Yeah, chair. Well, how about we do this a little cleaner? I'll just defer it, and then we'll come yeah. I'll I will defer

it. Great.

Okay. I might you know, if we're going to do a charter amendment, I got to write a reso with the bills. That's the one thing I'm thinking maybe it would be better just to defer it now and then I come up with a reso with the bills.

Since the bills are under the budget item, staffs we think that maybe the committee should consider either if they want to to keep it in budget committee, recommend referral to the budget committee and then we can create separate items or recommend referral to great or wherever it's going to go.

Member Betongen, sorry.

Thank you, Chair. I guess my recommendation to Member Johnson would be to refer to your own committee. You can hear the merit and then I can take up the charter amendments in great when we take up all of the charter amendments. And that way you can get you can have control over when it would come up and you'd be able to preside over the meeting. I'm happy to take it in great if you would prefer. I just wanted to offer you that as an option. Okay,

let's do that. I don't want to spend too much time on that. I'd sign with me.

Okay, you made a motion. Is there a second? I'll second, ma'am.

I move to refer bills sixty six and sixty seven to a debt committee.

Okay. Motion made by member Rollins Fernandez, second by member Johnson. Are you okay, member Johnson?

Very much okay.

Okay. All in favor, raise your hand. These are for the two bills, which is sixty six and sixty seven. All in favor raise your hand say aye. We have nine ayes.

You And

bill 76 which is go ahead and read it.

This is a bill for an ordinance amending title 14 article one Maui County code on the water system development fee.

Okay. So this one, are you gonna after we're done with the budget, you have to make some adjustments?

Here. Our our understanding is on this one that the adjustments are already in the budget bill. So it would be the opposite if the committee does not want this I believe we need to make to revert it back.

Okay. Because we made some adjustments. So therefore when we recess for lunch you folks are gonna be looking at these bills. This one bill. No. Include permission to change appendix B as it may relate to this bill.

Apologies Chair. Staff received some new information on this bill. Can we hold off on making a recommendation on this bill at this time? Okay. Thank you.

Okay very good. I'm going to hold off this last bill and then we'll wait to hear more from OCS. Charlie are you ready to take up general budget provisions or shall we wait until after lunch? After lunch.

After lunch, please.

Okay. So this and this after lunch. Okay. Real property tax. So what I'm gonna do we have to get the final numbers from OCS.

And I'm gonna find we we can find the mayor's proposed real property tax rates and classifications in in appendix b on page 12 of the Ramseyer version. Earlier this week, we sent two letters to finance f n nine and f n 11 to the department requesting the certified values of various real property tax rate classifications and tiers. The responses are in one eighty seven and one ninety in Granicus respect respectively. Members, are there any proposed amendments to real property tax? We should talk about that after we, break for lunch and come back. Right? Two hours lunch so that you guys can do that.

I have a proposal if you want.

Chair whatever the body decides, if if you want staff to just go over the numbers as they stand right now we can.

Yes, do that.

Would you like us to proceed?

Sure.

Are you ready?

Yes, sure. The committee made some adjustments this morning, but it was $3,000,000 flat number. So we're comfortable talking at least about that if the members want that to kind of weigh for their proposal.

Right now, okay, let me ask you a question. So right now the next thing we're going to do is pull out the excel spreadsheets that everybody got this morning and plug in numbers, right?

I don't know, it's up to the body if it wants to do that now, but right now or after if the committee wanted some time to wait to come up with proposals for property tax.

Of course we have Member Paulson who's ready but Member Paulson.

Chair if they can tell us what we're short I can give a proposal to make it up and maybe we can go home at 02:00. Thirty flight. If we go faster we can go home at 01:30. So she can be early.

So really what I wanna do is take a two hour lunch so that you guys can come up with whatever you want based upon the responses we got from finance. And OCS, why don't you share with us where we are?

What Yes. You

want us to know.

So the mayor's proposed appropriations were 1,616,432,298. The council's current appropriations is $1,612,210,439 So in aggregate, the council's current appropriations are under the mayor's by $4,221,859 but there's a fund imbalance in the general fund. The council is short in the general fund. I mean, the the committee is $10,000,801,100

dollars. Thank you, Charlie. Which means Which means?

Oh, that that means in order to balance the budget, the council needs to, you know, either increase general fund revenue or cut general fund appropriations or a combination of both to make up the $10,848,100 difference.

Okay. So that's the golden number. So members I'm a member Paul Tan.

I have a starting point that generates 10.3 $10,334,014 that I can share with you guys before we go to lunch, and then you guys can play around with it.

Okay.

So I'm just working with the one tier one classification, which is non owner occupied. My proposal would change the tier structure from the second tier. I would change it from $1,000,001 to $2,500,000, and then the tier three would be 2,500,000 and above. And I would add a quarter to the first tier and 40¢ to the second tier. So that brings us to $10,334,014.

Can you say that again? What you're asking?

All of it?

No. Just the second tier, third tier.

Okay. I'm not touching the third tier. Okay. The second tier, put as $9.40, $4.00.

K. And the first tier, you're leaving whatever the mayor recommended?

First tier is $6.50, adding a quarter, and that generates $10,334,014.

Pretty close.

I'll second that if is that a motion?

No. It's not

a motion. Consideration during lunch. I'm considering.

Yeah. Member Rollins Fernandez.

Mahalo chair, I'd like to ask for not a two hour recess. We already had a one hour recess, and there's a flight that just opened up at 04:20 so that I don't have to fly at 10:00 tonight.

Mopulele. So amazing. I feel bad for Molokai Island. Okay. So it's now 11:48. Well, I we I'm trying to be considerate. Besides you guys. We have staff, so I just be considerate to the crunching that they gotta do, which is over and beyond us while we're eating. So please so it's 11:48 and can we come back at

yes. What do you mean the the crunching?

Whatever they need to do.

Because we'll we'll we'll need to set the rates and then they need to do the numbers and or like what what would they do over the break?

Do do need to do?

Chair, at this stage, right now the main follow-up that we have is to check on that bill 76 issue so that we'll use the lunch break however long it is to

Okay.

Figure that out. Apologies, chair.

Okay. And basically, you have the numbers you need unless if we come up with more amendments.

Yes chair. Right now we're balancing.

Okay.

But if that committee has more changes after the break then yes we may need to rebalance depending on the amount of cuts if any proposed.

Okay. Okay. No changes. Sorry.

James, can you repeat how much we need to raise general fund by? It was $10,001,648

and $100.

It's $10,848,100. And just so you know that's that's using the mayor's proposed RPT number apologies not the certified number compared to the council's appropriations.

Thank you. Oh okay. Thank you.

Okay. So it is now $11.50 so let's say noon and come back at 01:50, 01:30. What time? What

And and chair, apologies. Just just to clarify. That number that I provided doesn't include the open space appropriation, so there might need that just to be a little bit more above to account for the open space required deposit. Thank you, chair.

Okay. So can we come back at 01:30 and you'll be fine?

Yes. Sure. But that's fine.

That's fine. Okay. Okay. Are you guys ready? Recess till oh, sorry. Go ahead. You're fine. One 01:00. All of you are fine. Come back at one.

Finance Economic Development Committee. It is now 02:05. And alright. We are down to the nitty gritties. Right? So I wanted to bring us to be actually below the mayor's budget which we are not. We are how much off are we? $10,000,000 something above. Yeah.

Yes, Chair. Yeah. And as far as general fund goes, the committee was about $10,000,000 out of balance.

Out of balance, yeah. Okay.

Chair, can I just make sure I understand that? Because I thought you said that we were below the mayor's budget. So in aggregate but not by general fund. That's that's what we're at.

Which is cash, right?

I see. Okay.

So I moved to change the funding source for the office of County Council CIP project, let us legislative branch office renovations from general fund to bond. Okay. So remember Oh Hodgins and who's the second? Second.

Oh second.

Oh second, okay. During the recess we checked to be sure that the legislative branch can move forward and have the funds they need to do this move that Shirley has championed and got promises that it would happen. So we like to see. But the funds that are in the budget, we were told that it can be bonded. So that's why we're doing this. Okay. So that's 900,000. Okay. So all in favor, raise your hand say aye. Okay.

So that's 9 ayes. Thank you. And then I move to decrease the appropriation from the Department of Management Office of Recovery General General Category B item parens small I, that's two for the Lahaina Restoration Foundation to rebuild the old Lahaina Courthouse. The old Lahaina Prison by 3.29% for a new total of 3,500,000. So Director Milner was discussed, we discussed this with her in the during the lunch. Are you going to pop up? So this was discussed with Director Milner and Josiah Nishita. There you are. Hi.

Hi. Thank you, Chair. Yes. I discussed this with the Department of Management during recess. At this time, they're willing to reduce it to 3,500,000 with the understanding that there may be a budget amendment in the fiscal year as we further move down this road with Mojana Restoration Foundation. Thank you, Chair.

Okay. Very good. Second. Okay thank you. So motion made by me I guess and then second by Member Johnson.

I'm going to speak against this motion or I move to amend it to 3,900,000 total.

Second? That's what I'm trying to reduce.

Not to 3.5. I moved to amend it to 3.9.

Second. See what you're saying. So then it would be Maripalten, seconded by Member Rollins Fernandez. Budget director, can you speak to this amendment?

Thank you, Chair. Yes. My understanding is this amendment would make the reduction 2,890,000 instead of 3,290,000, which we would have no problem with. Thank you, chair.

So Lahaina, the whole entire town burnt down. We know what a struggle it is for the historic district to rebuild. They're rebuilding county assets in the courthouse and other things, and we know that prices are rising. I'm okay with the cut that the director mentioned, but I I can't go further down than 3.9.

Okay. So this is appropriate. So it's department of manager office.

Can I ask?

Yes. Member Batongen.

It's Director page Millner.

Okay. There she is.

Is there gonna be a would there be a difference in whether or not the administration would need to seek a budget amendment if we went with Member Palton's proposal versus member Sugimura's proposal, or would we likely need a budget amendment either way?

Either way.

Thank you, chair. Thank you. Thank you, council member Batonga. I mean, the original amount that was requested was over $9,000,000. So I foresee there will probably be an amendment either way. I can double check with department of management. Obviously, 3.9 would get you a little further down the road than 3.4 before you needed that amendment. So I defer to the body on how they choose to proceed. Thank you, Chair.

Thank you, Director Milner. Member Palton, can I ask why you're asking for the reduction then?

In my conversations with Ms. Morrison, this is what they feel that they can spend down in this fiscal year. And, you know, they're rebuilding historical assets owned by the county. So I would like to give them what they feel they can and, I mean, we're cutting it, like, close to 6,000,000 anyway. Like, how would you like it if I took one of your priorities and reduced it that much? Like, I'm willing to I'm willing to compromise, but there's a limit.

Understood.

Thank you. So roll call. Oh, sorry. Member Nohe.

That's okay. Thank you. I will support the 3.9. Right now, Kamehameha three school funds are also under attack. And so right the nine point seven at its original was a lot. I feel the 3.9 is a 4,000 $400,000 difference, which sounds like a lot, but not when it was at 9.7. So I'm okay with the 3.9.

Thank you. Thank you. Surely.

Can

you explain the difference in the this this new amendment as as it impacts your amendment?

Oh, so what I'm trying to do is find money so that we can end up below the merit budget. So we reached out to during lunch, we reached out to the budget director to just ask for any, you know, anything that they could help us get here.

Yours is 31?

2. 329.

29. And hers is 39. Yeah. Okay. So this will be cutting it more.

More, yes. Or less. Oh, she wants to end up with 39. Okay. Sorry.

I mean, I'm not talking about some arbitrary number I'm trying to hit. I'm talking about people's lives, the hopes of our community, people wanting to see what we had come back. I'm not just trying to hit a number. I'm talking about a project. I mean we can say we need one less Paris house. We can see we need less drainage, but I think that the Lahaina restoration has did their part in their reduction. And if we wanna find more money, let's look at your priorities now.

Okay. So the project is moving forward. It's not like we've cut it out. And I understand.

It's moving forward with a 5,890,000 cut if you take my offer, which is I think generous.

Member Johnson.

Thank you, Chair. I support the amendment and I appreciate council member Paul in reaching out to the folks who are actually going to be doing this work so we can come back with some educated decisions here. I also want remind the members that this is her district and your opinion holds water to me when you talk about your area. And I appreciate you for moving. You know, some folks won't. Thank you. Thank you, Chair.

Yeah. Thank you. Any other discussion? No? Okay. Ready to vote? Oh, Member of Yes. Austin

I'm ready to vote in strong favor of the motion before Okay. This is the

Given that we have two choices now Shovel ready. Are you thinking of I wasn't pounding. Withdrawing. Okay. Finish then. Now I'm pound. I'm done. Done.

Done.

Done.

Yeah. Know we're voting on the amendment. Yes. But I'm I was thinking like, are you supportive of the amendment or you're not?

No. To keep the project going, yes. I support the amendment. I mean, that makes it's it was better for member of Palton. And the administration said they support it. I think it's fine.

Okay. That's all I needed to know. Thank So

at this time, are we doing a roll call? Sounds like roll call. Okay. Roll call.

Chair, proceeding with the roll call vote, Council Member Tom Cook.

Aye.

Council Member Yves Johnson.

Yes.

Council Member Addis Lee. Aye. Council Member Mark Pelton.

Aye.

Council member Kenny Rollins Fernandez. Aye. Council member Shane Senensi.

Aye.

Council member Nohe O'Hodgins. Aye. Committee vice chair. Aye. Chair Yukile Sugimura. Aye. We have Chair, that's nine ayes. Motion passes.

Okay. We have a

motion as amended.

All in favor.

Motion as amended. Aye. K. Nine ayes. Thank you. The third one is I move to amend the Department of Finance countywide cost transfer to the managed retreat fund by $800,000 Director.

Yes. Thank you, chair. As has been stated, there is no language in the code requiring this this year. So if the body chooses to reduce it, that's their prerogative. Thank you chair. Thank

you. Okay. Any discussion?

Second.

Oh, okay. Thank you very much. So motion made by me and the

I'll

over

I'll the

second by Member County Rollins Fernandez.

We have in the short amount of time that we've contributed funds to the managed retreat fund, we've already used a lot of it to retreat. And, you know, the county has been one of the users as we've retreated Baldwin Pavilion and things. And we aren't even seeing the worst effects of sea level rise climate change yet. So I'm again, I'm willing to be flexible, but not to zero out the balance. It started with 3,000,000 this year.

We're down to 500,000. Imagine if that was a cut on your priority. I'm willing to be flexible, but not zero it out. Given the erosion that, like, you know, some of our churches are seeing, some of our houses are seeing. So, again, I feel like we flexed 2,500,000 out of this, and that's as low as I'm willing to go.

Member Ron Fernandez.

Strong support of this motion. I think it's shortsighted to zero out a fund that has already been useful, especially since the proposal was going to be to increase on non owner occupied. So people who own properties here that don't live in it, vacant properties. That was the proposal before we took a recess. And so we're going to raid our managed retreat fund to save vacant property owners money. I don't support that.

Any other discussion? Member Batangen.

Can you guys help me understand what the so if we have money in the managed retreat fund that isn't conditioned to go to a specific project, are people then able to apply directly for it? Okay, so that's the difference.

It's a a revolving fund, and it was set up to take a portion of the TAT. But after the fire, member Sugimura suspended it for three years that we would make that required thing. Otherwise, it would be 20% of TAT revenues. So, you know, we went along with it even as the county churches have been pulling out from this fund. Lahaina Community Land Trust is working with some, OEV families on the shoreline that would like to rebuild on the shoreline right now.

And they're working to try and see if we can use the funds as a conservation easement purchase. So they will not rebuild on the shoreline. And they will take the money and hopefully move back from the shoreline. So it's about when the effects of sea level rise in the form of catastrophic events occur that we don't keep putting people in harm's way or if we're able to move back proactively, move back proactively. Or worst case scenario, like, the idea came after the Florida building collapse.

If if there is a building collapse into the ocean and we need to clean it up right away for health and safety reasons. That's what the fund would be there for.

Okay. And then when people apply for money from this fund, so say, I think we talked about what is the general or like the average ask? So because we're proposing to leave half 1,000,000, correct? How far does that get like

Last year, took 500,000 because of their crematorium tanks to take their crematorium out of the shoreline. I'm not sure how much

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members on Page 55 of special purpose revenue scheduled revolving fund for fiscal year twenty twenty seven item V managed retreat revolving fund Chapter 3.97 Maui County Code has $12,000,000 thank you.

No, it won't have $12,000,000 because you rated the 3,000,000

Well, that's what's in the book.

No. It's not accurate, though, is what I'm saying because the $12,000,000 on page 55 reflects a 3,000,000 injection from this year. It would be if if my motion passes and we only put 500,000 back in, it'll be 9,528,827. And when you consider all the homes and things on the shoreline, that's not gonna get you very far.

Okay. Okay. Thank you. So the motion is from member Palton, second by member Ramos Fernandez, is instead of the 800,000 which I'm proposing is for 300,000 from the managed retreat fund.

I'm willing to compromise. I'm just not willing to zero it out. I mean, especially with how much it's I mean, the theory was we're gonna start using this when it gets really bad. And what I consider really bad is not right now. So it's gonna get much worse. Building F, Kahana is condemned. Now there's the building in South Maui after the that are condemned. It's already happening. It's only going to get much worse in the next ten years. And sadly, 9,000,000 isn't gonna get you going that far.

Okay. Okay, members. Ready to vote? This is gonna be a roll call. Oh, go ahead. A second.

Sorry, Megan, to interrupt you. I'm okay to find some sort of balance here, either if it's I don't know if you want to split the baby and do four four. Personally, I feel very caught in the middle because this is a fund established before my coming here, and Paya has benefited the most out of this fund. And so it'd be hard for me to I I completely understand and support what you're doing, Chair, but it would be really hard for me because it is it's been my community that has benefited from from all the managed retreat funds so far. I don't know who else has used it.

Oh, Yeah. Yeah. That's what I mean. Yeah. The I don't know who else has used it besides when we took out a million dollars to help with Kihei earlier this morning. But primarily, it's been Baldwin and Montecuji. So So I'm going to support the amendment, but I do support what you're trying to do and trying to knock back. But thank you.

Okay. All right. Chair Lee.

Members, I want to remind you that we have an obligation to present the best budget possible. And of course, it hurts to have your priorities cut. But that doesn't mean it can't be restored. And the problem is, as you all know, we just don't know where the administration has all the cushions and they have big cushions. It's over $1,000,000,000 So we are relegated to looking at every little account, every little area.

If you guys vote for me on this one, I'll find another I have a different proposal to find some other money.

That's very helpful. If if you can you guys don't like what the chair is proposing, help us with an offset. Yes, idea. Thank you.

Okay. I guess all in favor then say aye. Aye. Nine ayes. Okay, this is for 300. And main motion as amended. Aye. Aye. Chair Lee. Right.

Member to make sense. Move to reduce the appropriation for the Paris program by $1,000,000 for a remaining total of $2,000,000

Second. Second.

I have a second.

May I

ask for discussion? Okay. Ahead. Member Chair Lee a second.

Mr. Senecchi seconded it. I would have.

Thank you, Chair. Thank you, Member Senecchi. Look, so I think I understand what we're doing. We reduced the proposed budget, but we didn't necessarily reduce the obligations under the general fund. And so we're trying to free up money so we don't have to raise taxes and I think that's honorable.

I also have concerns with us messing with the proposed tax rates just for the sake of balancing and I recognize that we all have to make sacrifices here. This one was personal for me and I hope you guys recognize that. This is a legacy from Emir Kama and you know how much that means to me. And so I would like to make this good faith effort to this body and to our community to be to do my part in helping us get there. I feel like I missed something during the break when, you know, we were trying to crunch numbers to get us to where we need to be. But I want to take the step to be able to help us get to where we need to go.

Thank you.

So, okay. All in favor

I'm was gonna I'm page seven, sorry. Small f, number 14, I was gonna further reduce by 50,000 to zero out number 14. The applicants that I've seen on there were farm grants, and and they can apply to the farms. And there were very small amount of

Can you give me the numbers again?

Page seven, bottom of the page 14. We already removed 50,000. I'm just proposing to zero it out. I don't know if it makes sense to run a grant for that small amount, and the applicants were mostly farms that put solar. So I figure we have other farm pots or small grant applications. So I don't know if it makes sense to, the effort it takes to run a special pot for for that. So it would be to decrease by 50,000 and then decrease the supplemental transfer.

Second.

Motion made by Member Paul, second by Chair Lee. I think you explained it or discussion. Any more?

Chair, just from my discussion, this is part of implement the CARP. So don't know. I just don't feel I can support it this time.

Okay. Member Rollins Fernandez.

It's Page seven, number 14, renewable energy program grants. I agree with Member Johnson. I supported the proposal from Member Palton in RPT before we took the recess. So I'm not jumping on this ship to reduce all these things. I agree with member Palton that 50,000 will probably not go that far.

So member Johnson, one of the things that I'll be working on in this next year is for renewable energy generation, like a zero interest loan program for community based groups that are doing this work to achieve the objectives of the CAAP. So it's more than 50,000, and it's just not patchwork of farms putting solar panels up, but actual generation to reduce our use and dependence on fossil fuel. So I will support this.

Okay. Any other Member Senetzi?

Thank you, Chair. I, too, supported the RPT proposals before the break. During during the budget, I didn't feel like, you know, cutting from a lot of these small programs. A lot of my offsets came from increasing non owner occupied only because, you know, the federal the this big, beautiful bill at the at the federal provided substantial tax cuts for high income earners and investors. It gave them highest, highest state tax exemptions, a 100% bonus depreciation on their private jets, and increased caps on state and local deductions, you know, for these high tax, high income brackets.

And, again, 900,000,000,000 cuts to Medicaid, 300,000,000,000 cuts to I I we do

only that

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transfer to EPNEX.

You. Roll call by fifty thousand.

Chair, proceeding with the roll call vote. Council member Tom Cook.

Aye.

Council member Johnson. No. Council chair Alice Lee. Aye. Council member Council member Keanu Rollins Fernandez. Aye. Council member Shane Senensi. No. Council member Nohuku Hajans.

Aye.

Committee vice chair, Kunoye Batangan. Aye. Committee chair, Yukile Sugimura. Aye. Chair, the seven ayes, two nos. Motion passes.

Okay. Thank you.

Chair, did you have any other

I don't.

Proposals that you're going to make? Staff, can I ask how far off we are? Do we are

Chair? Go ahead. Staff is calculating that the general fund is out of balance by $5,708,100.

Okay. Member, Wu Hodgins.

Okay. Now I gotta find my place. I was just messaging with budget director, and I added $50,000 into the environmental protection grants for, but she's saying it can be absorbed into the $800,000 that exist. I think did cut it, but she did check that it can be absorbed. So I can strike we can move the $50,000 and still leave the condition, and it'll be absorbed. Mhmm.

K.

So I moved to, reduce environmental protection grants of $50,000.

Second. Okay. That includes decreasing the supplemental transfer as well. Right?

Exactly. Whatever you say.

Member the

of of

Directors All in favor, raise your hand and say aye. Aye. Okay. Very good. Thank you, member of Ohans. Okay. Any any others? That's it. So where are we total again?

Chair staff is calculating that the committee is currently out of balance in the general fund by 5,658,100. Dollars $5,658,100

we're still looking for $5,000,000

Chair, that's the imbalance in the general fund.

Chang? Yes. So are you going to also put your money where your mouth is and reduce your $3,000,000 to your priority as well?

Sure. I delete that to but does it is that general fund or is it what is it? Why was the first the to I think we're do that.

Doesn't say condition. So

Can you check?

Chair, apologies. What So 3,000,000

we're going quarter. To

discrepancy? Department We're of Management, Office of Recovery Program, General.

Chair, we have that recorded as a condition, a $3,000,000 condition. Yes,

it's a condition. So it's not an additional add. Okay. I would have.

Out of what fund, Mr. Krueger?

Office of Recovery.

It's a condition on the Office of Recovery program, so a general fund.

But it was just a condition, correct? Yeah. It wasn't done.

Was a condition. Okay. Are we done? First that. We're And

And we'll

going able

of within the the funds. So That's the issue. Also we're Chair, didn't the administration make changes so that that put us off as well? Like water

for water department, the last minute changes that they had. But water is self funded, right?

No, but can you have our staff explain that to us? Or Director, Budget Director.

Mr. Hanano, can you explain what happened with the water department? Mr. Hanano, you explain what happened to the water department the last day that they sent down a one page I don't know if they had a bill number, but

Chair, are we

start And think

then

Yes. The changes requested by the water department caused a 13,900,000 decrease in the council's current budget projections And that was solely in the water fund.

Sure.

Budget director, do you know of anything that we can offset by $5,000,000 so we can all go Thank

you,

Charlie. I tell you all the same thing every year. We send it down to you the way we send it down because we feel everything in there is important. If we have any excess we do the same thing you do when you change RPT and we put it into the supplemental transfers to manage retreat and emergency fund.

Okay here Thank you. Member Palton.

If I can balance the RPT without changing the rates, I can do it simply by using member synencies tier. For non owner occupied, I don't have to change any rates, and we can generate $5,668,013 simply by moving tier two from one to 3,000,000 to one to 2,500,000, not changing any of the rates.

Thank you.

I'm on the Excel spreadsheet. I changed tier two of non owner occupied from one to 3,000,000 to one to 2,500,000, and tier three to 2,500,000 and above did not touch any rates, and that generates $5,668,013, which is about 10,000 over, but I think that is needed for the open space transfer. And, you know, we can take the rest out of emergency fund or the something else. Not changing any rates. Tell us how to go home early.

Did somebody do it?

Should we make a new motion so we can

Okay. I moved to change the non owner occupied tier two thresholds from $1,000,001 to $2,500,000 and tier three threshold from $3,000,000 to more than 2,500,000.

Isn't it just greater than?

30 I don't think that was what you originally said. Right? So the non owner occupied first tier is gonna increase.

The non owner occupied first tier, I'm not touching Okay.

So repeat your motion again.

Okay. I move to change tier two from $1,000,001 to $3,000,000 instead to be $1,000,001 to $2,500,000. And I moved to change tier three from $3,000,000 to greater than $2,500,000

Thank you. Second.

Moved by member Paltzin, second by member Johnson. Discussion. This one action will generate us $5,668,013, which is about roughly 10,000 little less than 10,000 of what we needed, but then we also need 1% of that to put into the open space fund. And I am amenable with taking that from the managed retreat fund to put into the open space fund. We'll also need to generate whatever that 1% of that is to put into the open space fund by charter.

I am amenable if this motion passes to take whatever amount that needs to be transferred to the open space from from the managed retreat fund or the emergency fund, but either one. But that's a subsequent motion if this motion passes just for discussion.

Yeah. I'm supportive of chair.

Okay. Go ahead.

Thank you. I'm supportive of the motion on the floor and then would like to take that second motion and then recess to have staff re crunch numbers and make sure that everything is in order before we continue conversations. I just want to make sure that changes that we're doing on the fly are all in order.

Okay. Remember Johnson and then I have a comment.

I'm ready to vote. Thank you, Chair.

Okay. So also on that with the non owner occupied, the rate for the highest tier, which is $17 per write per 1,000. I will tell you that, that rate jumped so high last year that I don't know if you guys walk in the community and people tell you, oh, tax my RPT jumped so high. And I think this is one of the categories that we laid it on heavy last year and it's been impacted by people who really help our community. They may not live here, but they are paying a lot of taxes and we're

able to going

And And then well, why should you care? You know that. Why you should care? This is going back to that Mother's Day branch I had at my house where people that were my friends were saying, oh, our tax rates in Maui are so low. And if they have houses other places, they say, if that's so high. And I said, you know why? It's the visitors who are paying that or this category. And the tax rate we have for this category is so to to

going do then we'll

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that.

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Question.

That's

It matters to me. So I want think to say that. Member Cook?

For discussion. I hear you. I think the members have heard me advocating for not continuing to raise

the And

over I'll the I'll it nothing like the drastic increases previously. I think that the I'm going to propose this year a methodology for that with these existing rates, part of the fee will be able to go more directly to Beneficial in the community and it will also give a tax break, federal tax break to the property owners that basically will enable them to feel better about their contribution. I just encourage my colleagues to recognize this is they are contributing to the community and we're through taxation. I'm just anyway, don't want to elaborate. We'll work on it.

I'm glad we're not raising it much, and I'm supportive of this.

Member Paulson?

I think it does need to be recognized that none of the proposals made so far have been to raise tier three of non owner occupied as was repeatedly stated by some folks as where they were going to find the money. So that has never come to fruition and I think it needs to be recognized that none of the proposals today have been to raise tier three of non owner occupied to this point. So I appreciate your speeches, but I think you are not appreciating our restraint to this point.

If

I may, I may not have stated myself well. I very much am acknowledging and that's think

good

that's budget. And the way that we've worked together is I'm grateful. So thank you.

Go ahead, Judy. Guess, this I

would love to vote no on this. However, I am a realist. And the only thing that gives me a little comfort is the fact that values have gone down actually. So hopefully, this won't hurt too many people. And maybe in the future, we'll have more opportunities to look for other areas to cut.

But this just so happens, we're at the end of our process practically and we're running out of areas to look for and nobody is helping us with that either. So, I am going to vote in favor of this. I wish honestly, I wish we didn't have to allow for the raise for the STRs. Thank you.

That's painful, right. We're living with a reality of the impact of Bill nine is what we're living with truly. We're going to take a recess and let whatever remember Batangian asked and some No,

I want to take this vote and then the subsequent vote and then recess so that they have the actual direction to go off of before they re crunch the numbers.

Aye. Roll call. Go ahead. Roll call.

Chair proceeding with the roll call vote. Council Member Tom Cook? Aye. Council Member Reeve Johnson?

Yes.

Council chair Alice Lee? Aye. With reservations. Council member Tamara Fulton?

Aye. Council

member Keani Rollins Fernandez? Aye. Council member Shane Senensi?

Aye.

Council member Nohei U Hajin. Aye. Committee vice chair Kuno and Batangen.

Aye.

Committee chair Yukilei Sugimura.

No. K. Any other proposals?

Eight ayes, one no. Motion passes. Motion passes.

Staff, will you let us know based on that how much we need to transfer to the open space fund to comply with the charter?

Chair, staff calculates that the committee is now over in the general fund with $106,461 With the RPT proposal before the committee now, the committee needs to the required open space contribution, would increase by $58,245 So, the committee could consider, a motion to put the required amount into the open space and put the excess somewhere else. And if it's okay, give staff the leeway to calculate based off of there's some rounding errors. So if we can adjust those two appropriations as needed to account for rounding.

Yes. I move to transfer the excess balance to the open space

Any others? So

they can double check, double, triple.

We will come back at how long do you need? Till three maybe? 03:00. Welcome back to the Budget Finance Economic Development Committee. So we're gonna take budget provisions on Monday. And also, I just wanted to take up bill 76 and refer it to the water committee. Can you please read 76. We

will. Sorry chair I'm just pulling it up. Chair so bill 76 is a bill for an ordinance

ask to to favor raise your hand say aye. Aye. Okay. That is nine you aye. Oh. Oh. I'm sorry. Motion made by me and second by. Member Cook. And Leslie wants to say some. I'm sorry. Budget director.

Thank you chair. Thank you council members. I would just ask if the body could expedite to get it passed by June 30 as if this doesn't pass we need to make changes to appendix B to reflect that. Thank you chair.

We'll make sure to get a schedule.

Very Member Bolton.

Just clarifying you're you're saying it needs to be a second reading by June 30.

Thank you chair. Yes. Council Member Bolton.

Okay. So

members Monday I'm gonna we're gonna meet again on Monday for corrections. And what time would you like to come back? 09:00? 10:00?

Ten. Ten.

Ten. You guys find oh, member Ron Fernandez has to travel. Member Sanancy.

She doesn't have to. She should have.

And what about Sting. Member Johnson? Yeah. Ten is okay. Ten is okay. Okay. Going again at 10:00 on Monday. Surely we'll take up the general budget provisions. Is there anything else that we need to do before we. This. Oh we're gonna recess this meeting. Is there anything else.