Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

First up is roll call. Richard Baston here. Steve Bod here. Jim Burkhart. Joe Disney present. Richard Dural present. Calebister here. Rick Peacock here. Dan Miller present. Jason Scott here. Troy Swan here. Myself, Marilyn Cider.

Okay, we have a quum. Okay, we have a qual. First up is appointment of Miller nominates Rick. Rick seconds. We have any other nominations for vice chair. Okay. All those in favor of Rick Dernal as vice chair for 2026, please say I.

I. Opposed. Motion carries. Rick will remain as the vice chair. Secretary is next. We have any nominations for secretary. I nominate Marilyn Ciderwick for secretary. Caleb Forester nominated. I second. And Miller seconds. have any other nominations? Okay. Marilyn Ciderwitz has been nominated as the secretary for 2026. All those in favor say I. I.

Opposed. Marilyn will remain as secretary. Next up is the presentation of minutes dated November the 25th, 2025. We did not have a meeting in December, so our November meeting minutes is what we're looking at tonight. I'd like to suggest an amendment. Um I should be listed as absent. I'm not on the list at the be list at the beginning.

Myself also And Mr. Mr. Chairman, I have one other issue to to bring up the um third docket item from the minutes. I I was not here in November. It says a sign should be 35 by 35. Can we amend that to say 35 in by 35 in just for clarity? And I don't understand what was approved. Do you all recall was the the sign as submitted was approved? Is that right? Because it says there will be no issue if the sign is removed. So should we amend it to say the motion to approve installation of the sign was seconded etc. So you're correct, Steve, with your dimensions.

35 in by 35. 35 in. Yes, sir. And what was the outcome? The motion was to approve the sign. I'm wondering, was this on the 39 latitude reser? That's correct. Yes. Okay. So, they had put the sign up, Steve, and Mr. Strader had asked them to take it down until we had this come before us. They did not come in uh to present it, but Mr. Strader presented it. I don't remember what the deal was that night. So, it was approved to have their sign, but the sign should be 35 seconds, right? So, it's just changing the dimensions.

Okay. Okay. motion that we accept the minutes uh as with the uh noted amendments.

So Rick Dol made a motion to accept the minutes with the minutes. Would you please print your name and of course thank Thank you and good evening um plank commission members. My name is Joe Calder and I'm an attorney with offices at 11 South Meridian in Indianapolis.

I was actually here last July. What was your name, sir? Joe Cauldron. C A L D E R O N. Okay. Thank you, sir.

You're welcome. Um I represent TNH uh investments which is partnering uh with Habitat uh to develop Artisian Place. Um I was here last July um and not since Brian Donado who I think came back in the fall um with TNH was stuck in Washington DC airport today. Unfortunately, the weather uh precluded him from being able to make it. So, he asked me to present tonight. I'm hopeful that each of you uh had received electronic or hard copies of the revised plan. Um I can pass those out. It's certainly up to the commission. What I really wanted to highlight in Brian did so in his uh letter uh from early December that there were two takeaways that I recall from last summer and there was conversation between the developing uh team as well as the plan members regarding the size of the daycare and just kind of the layout um in general um because the daycare I think had proposed originally almost a year ago to be a little bigger. So, uh, they did find, uh, the funding to, uh, increase the size of the daycare, uh, about double what it was at least last summer and probably in the fall. Um, they've shifted and enlarged the playground, um, and increase the parking. I think all of those issues were in play last summer and I think this site play out uh allows the the project to expand to the east onto block one which was just going

to be future development uh last summer and hopefully this addresses your concerns uh that were expressed. Um, so with that, um, I don't know if anybody else wants to speak on behalf of the project, but I'm happy to answer any questions that the plan commission may have at this time. Do you have any questions, Mr. Croom? So basically this has went back to what we was presented with a few quirks twist.

Yeah. From last year from last February. Yeah. And and that I think was the marching orders that plan commission wanted uh TN certainly to explore particularly on the daycare size and uh kind of the location of of it. So hopefully this meets with your expectations and the plan a year ago was a preliminary plan. This is a little more detailed but I do believe that this matches kind of the unit mix numbers and overall layout. Okay, we don't have any other questions for him.

With the uh funding that you're getting, is this marked as a affordable housing or workforce? workforce. So workforce typically goes up to 100% of the area median income. Obviously the habitat piece um is a little bit different scenario but that certainly the the town home units are workforce.

So this is just the town homes and the daycare. This has nothing to do with the u uh does is does it have anything to do with the habitat homes? Not the homes themselves. So those will be developed separately. The light the site plan shows the location of the homes and I think that's what you're approving tonight. Oh, we're approving the uh site of the homes. The site plan and the homes if is that correct? Okay. Habitat is here to answer any questions regarding those. It is the overall plan. Oh, what is the overall

So, it's the overall site plan for the six Habitat homes, town homes, and the daycare and you you are you have all the funding you need to see this uh whole project to fruition?

Mr. Donado uh wrote in his letter that they had uh received um grant funding from Federal Home Loan Bank. Um you know, there were ready funds that were part of it, but there will be obviously uh funding for construction loan purposes available at the time that they uh intend to pull permits, which would be normal for development purposes. So you don't proceed like starting this and then running out of funds? No. At all?

No. By the time that my client comes to the building department for its permits, it'll be it'll be funded. It'll have adequate sources.

May I ask a question of my fellow commissioners? And by the way, um I stopped participating in a small group that was advising TN and Habitat um about their potential for this project. So I I will express my own opinions and vote accordingly, but um we're not approving Habitat homes. We're approving a site plan that would have six single family homes on it. Is that correct, Mr. coffee. Take a minute. We take We're going to take a minute and pause. Talk to Mr. Bod.

Okay, that's I'll have a seat.

Okay. So, we're ready to go back. I uh had a brief discussion. Mr. Bodie, Mr. ability does not have any direct conflict of interest uh from a financial point of view. He does not have any direct conflict of interest from being a member of Habitat's board. Um he does occasionally volunteer for Habitat, but doesn't believe that that will affect his decision making at all on this issue. So, he does qualify uh to be able to serve on the board and be able to render his opinion on this matter and vote on this matter. Okay.

Okay. Mr. Bod, your question was, um, are we approving Habitat homes? Are we approving a site plan that has six single family home lots plotted?

My understanding, Mr. Bod is that this plan you're you're approving tonight um is approving six homes um that will be single family homes but that is uh my understanding owned by Habitat for Humanity and will be Habitat for Humanity homes. Uh so that's one of the aspects of the plan as I understand it. Other aspect would be that you're going to have workforce development apartments. And finally on the third parcel will be a daycare center for at least 50 children. So that's the overall project as I understand it. Uh the preliminary plan was approved about a year ago and now this is the final plan coming back tonight for approval. If Habitat for Humanity decided to sell the six lots to six individual people, uh would they have to come before the plan commission or would six people be able to go build homes on those lots?

The way it's being presented, I believe they'd have to come back for a modified plan.

Thank you. I think the plan that that has been presented is a good plan finally that is back to us um with everything we asked for. But I believe one of the things that we had agreed upon earlier was that the town houses uh the townhouse section must be built and basically move in ready before any habitat homes would be built.

So right now Mr. Cauldron has a floor. Uh, is that a question that you have for Kim? That both for the I believe that is what we agree on as far as the earlier, but does that still stand with this plan? Well, and that's where we'll we'll get to that, I think. I I thought our discussion in the past, this has been going on since last February, but was that TNH would have the basic site work, not the town homes movein ready before single family homes could begin.

Well, I don't think we ever got to that point, Steve. I think it was stuff in conversation, but I don't think we ever got to that point. Uh the last time that we voted on it, it was a tie vote and that was part of the motion. So, and that that is all for not at this point because we're back to it. So, are we done with questions for Mr. Cauldron? Well, I'd like to have a public hearing. So, is there anybody here that would like to speak for or against this project? Members of the commission, I I'm appearing here um having retired from Habitat at the end of this past year. So,

Mr. Mills, I know we all know you, but would you please sign it? Yes, I would. I'm going set a timer here for two minutes. All right. Are you okay? Thank you, sir.

Yes. I believe if you'll review the uh uh minutes of the uh October 28th meeting. Um Mr. Donado was asked that very question about uh uh the sequencing of habitat homes and town homes and did explain to the plan commission that their intent was to get the f get the uh infrastructure in the street and utilities along which habitat would be located in and adequate even by the end by before the end of this year in order to uh for habitat to start developing. So uh that issue was discussed and Mr. Denal did explain that. Okay. You'll notice I'm sitting farther back now. First of all, apologies to the chair. I continued to speak to the last meeting and I should not have. So, my apologies to the chair. Uh, I would encourage you to recognize this is an encompassment of the whole project that we're looking at right here. We're trying to bring better homes to 40 families. That's a big upgrade to what we have right now. Each one of you owns your own home. So you're looking at from a different aspect that these people that may be wanting to come to their very first home. Uh they'll have one that would be six habitat homes that that process that leads to ownership where they contribute with their own sweat equity and a down payment in it and their encouragement to have uh those homes permanently for their lives for their families. The 34

town homes have government support from that. As Richard pointed out, this is workforce development housing. So, it depends on what their income is, what percentage of that is supported by government money. In theory, they support they save some of that difference to their first home that they may have a down payment for. So, we're encouraging them to have a down payment to go forward from that. This project also includes a childare center, something that's desperately needed. You'll see the statistics uh all over the county has been presented more than once. So, I'm not the first ones to tell you that we need a child care center. The the combination of a place to live, drop off your child, and a place to work in a Grand Valley complex is something highly unusual. That's why this project was presented at two grant opportunities and chosen by both grant opportunities. So, I would encourage you to move forward with the project tonight. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Oaks. Should I sign in first?

You sign in. Print your name. My name is Anne McGowan. I'm a board member for Habitat for Humanity. Sorry, I'm losing my voice. Must be the outside. I'm also the liaison for the high school build and I've come to a number of these meetings. We've tried a number of times to get building sites for Habitat. I know this project has been discussed at the Habitat board meetings for quite some time. I I I'm really kind of at a loss to understand why it makes a difference if Habitat can build the houses now, why it needs to wait until all the town houses are built ready. We have families that need homes. We also have a project that is unlike this anywhere in this entire country where we build a high school with or excuse me, we built a house with the high school students. Martinsville school district has grade schools, middle school, high school students all involved in this build. We had 117 different students that came out and built this year. Every single one of those kids enjoyed that experience. Told me, told their coaches, told their parents what a great experience that was. They're building a house for a family. They meet the family. The family puts in sweat equity, works alongside of the students along with the volunteers. I can't understand why anybody would try to stand in a way of a project like that that teaches the students, that helps the students, that helps the community.

Mr. McGowan, uh, Miss McGowan, yes. Do you have a Habitat home in front of your home? I do not. Does anybody on the board have a Tabitat home next to their home? I do not know. But if your concern is are the houses ugly? Are the houses well built? We we have built neighborhoods where the h our house the habitat house is the best looking house in that neighborhood. We intend to build houses out there at that project site to the code or whatever your question.

Why isn't more houses been built in Morsville? Why hasn't more houses been built in eminence? My name is R I A N S C H E L L. And in to answer your question, I have a house two lots in my house and the people are lovely, wonderful people. Just because somebody doesn't make six figures doesn't make bad people. I'm retired and

want to continue with that.

First of all, I I have I I think the Habitat for Humanity is a great program. I really do. And I don't want that to be misunderstood. What I think what the city does not want is if we have that a horseshoe of homes built and then for some reason there's a financial disruption in the project of the town homes here with what six houses seven and a big white field and that's what people see when they come into town well basically when they come in Martinsville as far as going anywhere to do They see that part of Marsville and it's a developing part and I think that is the only thing that is our that would be that that would be the only thing that would be my concern. Nothing else other than that. I think that's a conversation that we've had all along within the last year as we went to these discussions between ourselves is as we seen throughout the year stuff getting pulled away and talking asking Mr. I personally asked him in a meeting about financial why was this that was this a financial problem and he said yes. So I think that was something that we've all heard and I think that's as Rich brought up this is a artisian avenue is a main thorough fair now out to the shopping center there's going to be a substation for police and fire right

Mr. Mayor out there at some point um we've got the new Hannah going in. It's a nice neighborhood. There's other definitely going on out there that as Rich said don't want to get a project started and then have a financial problem. Now we heard from Mr. Cauldron that they have secured other financing on this project and whenever they come in and get their permits they should be fully funded. still leaves an area feeling other conversation.

I'm not sure I understand why we're talking about their financial ability. Do do we normally do that on on discussions before the planning commission when people present to us we inquire about their ability to fund the project they are bringing forward? Well, to answer that, Steve, I think my main concern is that u we don't normally have a situation like this that lasts 11 months. And in conversation, we hand of arms come in with a preliminary, come back with a final, it was done. Callers come in with a preliminary final, it was done. We go back over the years I've been here and we've never had one. I don't know if there's someone else on the plane commission that's been here longer than I have. You can speak to we've had any other project like this. But what bothers me is getting a project started and Mr. F as PL commission that we can dictate the build phase. Well, yes. So, what you folks did approximately a year ago, there was a preliminary plan presented and the commission voted to accept the preliminary plan. When the applicant then came back with a final plan, it was different than the preliminary plan. So, that's when you started discussions over several months. Um, you are able to put conditions on the development of a plan. So in other words, uh this particular plans presented to you has been basically three different I wouldn't say phases but it's three different sections. We

have section one and single family homes. We have section two which apartments. We have section three which is childcare center. So you have the ability to um put a condition on how those are going to be developed. So that is within your perview. Okay, we have Mr. C's take on this.

Well, first I would like, you know, I just appreciate the fact that we went through this about a year ago. We had questions and concerns and yet now they've come back and they've made corrections and things are bigger and better. You know, I think they've jumped through every loop that we've asked them to to jump through. they have

and I I I don't see the angst in this project. I me personally I I have all the respect in the world for Habitat for Humanity, but more so for the people that are doing that are running and that are opposing it. And again, I've got I've got all the faith in the world that this is this is going to be a masterpiece when it's all done. And those of us who are still around are going to be able to point to that and say, you know, we had something to do with that. So, I I just I really think we need to move on and just let this thing go. That's my opinion.

Uh I would like to I'm going to make a motion to not approve this um on the fact that I think I would like to see first the daycare and the town homes done first and that finance first and then um them come back later as a whole I think you have to look at they presented a plan that includes six single hospital home block whatever is they presented us development with this um so I don't I mean the one thing we could request is is for them to write an amazing plan that outlines their intent to build A and C but to deny based off the other things but prior to I think you need to reconsiderifications that Mr. Well, essentially, I mean, I don't I don't I'm not sure completely where it's at as far as submitt, but regardless of what happens in approved, I was going to recommend it be upon review as far as calculations, that sort of thing within regards to the development itself. So regardless reviewing if you want to include the phasing aspect in that I think that's probably you

that satisfy all the other aspect that is part of could happen part of Thank you for your imager who owns the ground who's looking to try to develop a plan in front of everyone that seems to be acceptable at a certain point and concerns over certain pieces of it. Um they have another requirement of the ordinance from what they're presenting from a lot size from a development standpoint just seems like they've done what was asked. I think maybe the most appropriate thing to consider. I'll say I've uh I've been in favor of this project from the first time I heard it and it did undergo some changes in the presentation, but this what we're looking at currently is the closest thing to the original plan that was submitted. Um any concerns that we have they weren't brought up before the preliminary plan. Um I don't I don't see an issue with this. I would like to I guess echo a couple of sentiments that

we have discussed financials probably more with this project than any in the three years I've been here and I do understand the concern. Um, we've had a few presentations that I don't know how to better put it. Feels like a bait and switch at times or things have fallen through. We don't want to see that happen. I understand that. Um, as someone with 16 years in the financial services industry, um, I would point out there's no way that we can underwrite a project of this size. we don't have near the information to do so. Um, so while I understand some of our commissioners concerns, we're not equipped to look at a project and say they they have the financial wherewithal to move forward or not. I think that's outside of our curios. I also wanted to point out that in the nearly year that we've heard this, I don't believe we've heard of any remmonster from Arbor Homes, Hannah Farms, um Artisian Acres, which if anybody is out there on the that road. It's not like it's not a residential area. Um, you know, we've got Artisian Acres, Indian Creek Village, they're all right there. Um, I don't I'm comfortable with it as it's presented.

We are looking at an area though that is the new build. highlight of Martinsville. Um, ever anybody comes to see what new build has been done, they will they will be they will go to that area. Uh, it will be a um um I don't feel it would be in the best interest to um go forward with this particular since we don't know um if everything since we've had the bait and switch that we've had in the past um I don't feel particularly confident that everything would go as planned and we don't want to to take a gamble with an area that's brand new and as nice as it is and is as an expensive piece of real estate as that area is. It's a very expensive piece of real estate. I think the plan as submitted to us tonight after a year of review and revisions meets the comprehensive plan. The document that we are supposed to be looking at to help steer our judgment on what type of housing is appropriate in what parts of our city. This is a mixeduse property with town home style rental properties. single family homes um set aside for folks with lower income to get started. That it it's specified in our plan many many many

times that we are trying to encourage appropriate affordable housing. This is described as workforce housing. The homes that are going to be built by Habitat are not Habitat houses. They are homes. People live in them. People pay taxes who live in them. They pay a mortgage and then they own their house. So I uh I resent our group referring to them as habitat homes and habitat people. They are human beings who help build their own home. They live there. They own it. And they pay taxes. I would suggest that we approve this project as submitted and move on.

Anybody else having conversation?

The embassy of Martinsville is building a brand new elementary school with a big huge pool. Um there's going to be a lot of people looking to possibly relocate. in this area and we can't take any kind of chances that that Hannah Farms area is not going to be a pristine uh beacon uh where people would look to Martin and say, "Yeah, I think I want to move down there because we're spending a lot of tax dollars on that new elementary school and that brand new pools and we need kids to fill. We need families to fill any more conversation. With that said, I entertain a motion on document number PC25017.

I make a motion that we we um I would second that motion request. I was just getting ready to ask Rich if he would.

So you need to make put in your motion that is contingent on engineering review of the plans. Gotcha. Um, yes, I made a motion as it stands for the engineering of PC250. So, Rich made a motion that is contingent on engineering to approve the plans. Steve Bod made a second on that. Correct, Steve? Yes. I'd like to call for a roll call vote on this.

Richard Bast. Yes. Steve Bod. Yes. Joe Disney. Yes. Richard, yes. Kale Forester. Yes. Ricky, yes. No. Jason Scott. Yes. Troy. Yes. Yes.

So, we only had one. No. The rest was yes. Motion carries. Thank you.

Thank you. Next up, docket number PC25029. Do we have anybody here for the sign for 10 North Lane,

Mr. Chairman?

Yes, Mr. Maywood. Uh this application that you have in front of you is the same document that you talked about a while back. Uh the overall size of this sign is 48 in tall. If you recall, the young lady was here. I believe you were she was asked to bring documents to me with the actual new sign. The uh sign that was removed was 23 in tall. This sign is twice that in height. the length fits in but the overall is 48 in high. I do have measurements of face of the building. Uh the building's 40 foot wide and it's 34 ft tall. That's 1360 square ft. And the sign is about 11 ft off the wall which means more than necessary but again she did not bring any documents revived documents.

Is it signed? Yes. So the sign would be 64 square ft. It would need at least 640 square ft of building. But I believe that the sign that she was presenting to us went over and above the windows. Yeah, it was half. This would be halfway up on the window that is to the upstairs. And I believe the ordinance, Mr. Dur says nothing to cover the windows. Correct. Correct.

Okay. Well, she is not here. There's nobody here to present this. So, if I have a motion to table it, maybe they'll be in with the information or do we want to just deny it and move on?

Okay, Mr. EOT made a motion to table and Miller seconds. All those in favor with with the can you tell them that you can't cover the windows so they don't disappear in a month and not know that I explained to them they're in the restaurant that the sign would more than likely be recognized if they kept the same size that the existing sign. They understood that.

Okay. And in the motion last or in November, motion was made by Jim Burkart to table this request until a sign company takes a picture and consults with Mr. Strader, which they have not. The motion was uh made by Jim and seconded by Mr. they just didn't follow through and really they just probably need to just table this. So, we've got a motion on the floor and a second. All those in favor?

I opposed. Okay, this has been tabled for next month. Maybe uh somebody will reach out to you, Mr. Strader. Next up, new business docket number PC260001, signing approval in the historic downtown district. The address is 171 North Wayne Main Street. Color is our tision group. Is there someone here to present this?

Chairman, if you'd like. I talked to this group and they are out this evening. I shared with them that I would share the input with you people. So we're we're referring to 171, correct? Yes.

So what they're doing there is the company itself is uh changing their color on the sign. The sign is already there. So the the inserts will not fit in that frame. So, they're going to replace the frame and the sign, but in the beginning, they was wanting to just change out the color, but it didn't end up that way. So, that's what you have in front of you. And that that building again is 22 feet wide and 30 ft tall. And it's 660 ft. And it's several feet off the wall.

From what you just said, the sign's there now. That is correct. They're changing the colors on it. So is So is it not um So they can't use the frame stuff that's existing. That's what I understand. Yes. So they'll have to get a whole new sign. It's going to be the same size as what's there? Yes. That's what the man said. Uh members, do you have uh any other questions on this that we need to have somebody from? I think it's Mr. Hagert, isn't it? Yeah.

Um have someone from his group come in or somebody from our group or you want to use the information that Mr. Strager has provided to us and move forward? I feel like it's a pretty thorough application. I'll make a motion that we approve document number PC 26001 has a motion to approve what's been presented. Do I hear a second? I'll second. Jason Scott. All those in favor?

Opposed? Motion carries. Thank you, Mr. Trader. Okay. New business. Uh, document number PC260002. Sign approval in historic downtown district. Address is 15 Main Street. Um, owner is Elliot Chandler Holding LLC. Is there anybody here from Elliot Chandler? Chairman,

Mr. what they are doing there. It's a new group in that uh office space. Uh they are changing just the inserts of that sign. The sign itself, the frame stays right on the building that you looked at. That's been there for since the building was remodeled back a few years ago when it was whatever was in there then. So it's just the inserts two sides and that building 50 I take it back 30 34 wide and 30,020 ft the sign as it is two sign it's 40 square ft that certainly within our guidelines for the size of the sign.

I'd like to move that we approve number 26002. Mr. Mr. Motion to approve. Rich Bast. All those in favor say I. I. Opposed. Motion carries. No, I Oh, Ann Miller opposes and I think the people should come in. Okay. And Miller. She Yes. Is that right?

Yes. It just seems to me if we're going to make the other people come in, everybody should come in. Uh, next up on our list here is to discuss the DCD application.

You all remember um back in October we formed a subcommittee to kind of help with uh discrepancies and disparities on uh the applications concerning downtown commercial historic district. So uh myself, Mr. Bod, and Mr. Scott uh met and came up with some uh suggestions for call it just a page two an appendix to the uh application that a person would get if they came into the building office to apply. Um, we got a little more in depth, but in light of our most recent meetings where it seems like there's been a better understanding of what's expected, um, I don't know that we need to to rewrite the the whole rule book or anything. Um, we had come up with a word document. Uh, Lisa, I believe, emailed it to everybody with the agenda and I would like to hear if there's any suggestions to it, um, any changes. I don't believe it's um, it's not part of any ordinance. It's just simply a bookkeeping uh, policy that that Mr. administrator's office would be able to hand this out to the applicants so that there's a very clear understanding of what we need to see.

And we go back and and just look at the last thing on the docket. We have good clear pictures of signs, uh, dimensions of signs. The only lacking there was the the front square footage of the building which is in this second page. And just kind of to to save the thing we had on the first one there on the first sign on the Mexican restaurant not having a full understanding of what they need to do. Is that correct? It's just an overview. Correct. So, is there anybody have any questions on this? Steve, I look You're looking for guidance up there. So,

I already gave Rick all the guidance. I was going to say I thought you was part of the committee. Can you expand on that? Are you referencing like a type situation or

This is only the downtown commercial historic. As I understand it, Mr. Correct if I'm wrong. When I when I saw it, I kind of looked at it as this is a u an addition to the application. So the current application we had, we had to fill out that completely and now they'll need to add this additional information so that it is a complete application when they take it to the office. Is that correct?

Correct. Okay. I think we've just seen too many come in that wasn't complete. I know Mr. Bod always has a question on size of the sign and the square footage of the front of the building which I like that. But this is to address not having Steve to ask those questions that it's in their packet when they get it and they know up front. I see Troy shaking his head. You like that?

It's just to say stuff coming before us and then we have to table it and ask him to come back because they don't have all the information. So, the plan would be to give this document out with any inquiries about filing or something. Is that right? Yeah. I I mean I would literally print it on the back of the application for state page two. Mr. Strader, you're the one that's have to to to enforce this. What's your comments or recommendations? Anything easier

with this? You won't have to go out and major buildings, will you? Well, I think there put anything on paper. Yeah, this hopefully this is just a guide for the applicants and then you can glance at I would hope that they don't become they don't come before the land commission if they don't fill out the application for

in the instance of signs simply doing the math for us please what are the what is the dimension of the sign is it one or two sided what's the total square footage of that what's the total square footage that's ordinance describes of the building facade and you know they should come with that it should be in the application or we shouldn't even hear it proposed and if Mr. trader likes this then and race got it drawing up. Um, do we have any other conversation on it? Something we want to implement. I have one other thing that I'm No, I'm a broken record in lots of ways. Done.

The the the application we're talking about, historic downtown district, um, it has name of land owner, name of applicant, signature of land owner, signature of applicant. If we Please, please, please have added to that printed name of land owner, printed name of applicant because these come signs and you know I cannot tell who who is applying don't know their names from from a signature so please get so what about the completion of creative documents Oh, well, if it's printed, then there's no signature.

Yeah, but I mean, you know, these are coming back in. We had three of them tonight. They're handwritten and they're hand signed. I'm just suggesting you ask the applicant to print their name and the lander owners to print their name. Thank you. I believe we need to have a motion to adopt this. I make a motion that we adopt um DC application. I hear a second.

I would second that. Steve Steve. All those in favor say I. I. I.

Okay. As we come to the end of our agenda, ladies and gentlemen, thank you. It's been an honor coming up here to be able to be nominated to be your chairman again for the third year. I appreciate that. Appreciate your confidence. U Thank you for putting the period on. I didn't want to put a birthday down for the uh So, thank you very much for getting this put together finishing this tonight. I have a motion for adjournment.

Make a motion we adjourn. Second that for second motion. All those in favor? Meeting adjourned.

I said I'm sure he's going to want to send Yeah. Who knows? Yeah, we can get together or whatever. All right. Okay. Thank you. Good night.

Yeah. So, We're okay. We're trying to not use the cargo. Yeah. No. Well, and we just need to get out and get it done. Yeah. Correct.

Just find yourself.

You're the the cabin tonight. else for you. Where are you? I got it.