Parks and Recreation Advisory Committee - Regular Meeting

I'm Officer Frigge with the Marco Island Police Department. OK, reason for the traffic stop, the speed limit coming over the Jolly Bridge is 35 miles an hour. I got you locked in on the radar at 56. Do you have your license, your registration, and your insurance, please?

Oh, my. Where is everybody?

Beautification meeting, and call this meeting to order. Do I have to clink it to call to order? There. Would you like to call the roll?

Member Sepe? Present. Member Glute? Present. Member Corey? Vice Chair Scherzinger? Here. Member Myers? Here via Zoom. Member Sullivan?

Here.

Chair Needles?

OK. And we need to take a vote to allow Victoria to participate via Zoom. Would anyone like to make that motion? I'll make that motion.

I'll second.

Do we need a consensus, or do you need to do a roll call?

I mean, she's already in, so.

You're in. OK. There we go. Thank you. Should we stand for the Pledge of Allegiance?

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

OK. Does anybody have any changes to the agenda?

Yes. I would like to add one change. last time under new business I had talked about the putting water on the cul-de-sac circles and I want to bring that up in next month or the next meeting I would like to do a small presentation on how that would work okay we can talk about that okay thank you and then

I would like to add, we have a long list of activities that we talk about throughout the year, and from what I understand, and Tara, maybe you can clarify this, we need to have consensus in order to talk about things at future meetings. Is that correct?

Yes. So, yeah, we want to be able to, I mean, we've been told to make sure that the agendas are built off of what was discussed at the previous agenda.

So can I add to the agenda that we talk about future agenda items so we can vote on them so we can talk about them in the future?

Yes.

Would anyone like to move to approve the agenda as amended? I'll move to approve the agenda. Second that. Second that. All in favor?

Aye.

All opposed? Okay. Would anyone like to, any changes to the minutes for the June 3rd meeting? I have none.

I'd like to make an emotion to approve as written and to thank Tara for her thoroughness.

I have a question. OK. The June 3, when I printed it out, it said it's already been accepted. I don't know what you mean. The minutes had already been accepted.

Did we approve them at the workshop, right?

no they were just uploaded to this one this is the first time we're seeing them okay well under that situation i they didn't have my name down there and i was on zoom i was out of town and i was there on zoom and they have not put my name there is that something that you can change add that okay would anybody like to make a motion to approve as amended i'll make a motion i'll second it uh all in favor

Aye.

And opposed? Okay, how about the approval of the minutes from our July 16th workshop? Any changes?

A motion to approve? I'll make a motion to approve.

I'll second.

All in favor? Aye. Any opposed?

Okay.

Okay. Old business. This is the landscape ordinance reform white paper prepared by Mr. Woodworth, who's in the audience today, if we have any questions. Would anybody like to start a discussion?

I think I'm leading this one. Can you hear me? Yes. Go ahead. Okay. Yes. I had it put on the agenda and I read it. And for the benefit of people watching or in the audience, I'm going to read his first position paper that Casey made and a few of the highlights that I think we discuss it. Hopefully you've all read it on the committee so we can openly discuss it and see if we approve all of it, part of it, none of it, what we think. So, um, to start with, I'm going to read the case and that is Marco Island is a community built around one of Florida's most extraordinary national natural environments. Our canals, beaches, subtropical ecosystem draw residents and visitors from around the world. Yet our current landscape ordinance contains quite a contradiction. While it explicitly promotes water conservation, native plants, Florida printed landscaping, it simultaneously defaults to requiring conventional turf grass as the primary ground cover for residents, commercial and institutional properties. This paper argues that mandatory turfgrass requirement is environmentally counterproductive, economically costly to property owners, and inconsistent with the city's own stated values. It should be replaced with a flexible standard that gives property owners three equally valid choices of turfgrass, Florida-friendly native, or compliant synthetic turf without requiring special permission from the city. And it makes an environmental case. Turf needs so much water. It needs a lot of fertilizer and pesticides, and it threatens our water in Florida and the coastal areas. And right now, we have mandatory turf. And all that we do can result in algae blooms degrading our seagrass beds and declining water clarity. The basic premise of this is our current code. I think it was on page three, which is section 30.435E1 still requires that all lawn areas shall be sodded or planted with turf species. So there's an exception to that. So he's presenting, I think, a very strong case where we can offer these things. And we need to decide what parts of that we back to give him feedback. And then I want Rick, if he's able, to say anything he'd like to say leading into our discussion. And then we talk about how we feel about each segment, which is allowing Florida Friendly, allowing artificial turf, and not requiring the turf everywhere that we currently use.

Could I add something also that I read? Yes. I read that they recommend putting rock down by the seawall, and rock collects dust and dirt and leaves. And what happens is when the landscapers come, grasses or weeds, whatever, have started to grow in the rock, And they spray it with a herbicide to get rid of the grasses in the rock, which totally defeats the purpose, I think, that was meant in the first place. Because now these poisons are going directly into our canal and killing this seagrass that the manatees need. And the seagrass helps to clarify the water.

Is that something that exists today, like people, homeowners today have that? That's not something that this is proposing.

I don't think, I haven't read this, I haven't read the new proposal that they are proposing, but that was existing before. And a lot of people have it because I've seen it just across the canal from me with the, when the landscapers come to take care of the lawn, they spray that with, I understand the concern for sure.

Right. I'm wondering if that's so that homeowner if this were to pass as is would that homeowner could a do nothing or be changed to any one of these three types of if they wanted to so it doesn't really force anybody to make it well okay I agree with you I don't like that but right I was just wondering

If they were going to make a change about that, I think that that should be taken out of a recommendation by the city.

I think that might be a nice idea going forward. I don't know that we can, all this is offering residential and all home, all owners, property owners choices. So they still want to put in traditional turf. They can, if they want to use Florida friendly, they can, if they do this and, um, Maybe moving forward, we want to say no rock like we wouldn't do in a swale. Why do it in the bath? And I know our group initially talked about we had some concerns about the astroturf because it has no roots to suck up any impurities or waters. And it might eventually degrade and end up being microplastics. Now, I don't know that. But eventually, if we have a shortage of true water, we might be forced in the future to actually need to go that direction, I don't know.

It's environmentally bad for our wildlife.

In what way? I just want to be educated. I'm not challenging you. I just want to be educated.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can educate you on this. For instance, we used to have large flocks of ibis going around and plucking little bugs out of the grass. It was a natural way of getting rid of some of the harmful bugs that were in the grass. The ibis have shrunk tremendously in flocks, and it's because of the use of pesticides and herbicides. And if you put plastic on there, they would have nothing at all. So plus any of our wildlife, like butterflies or owls, any of them, there's not one wildlife that I can think of that would want plastic turf.

I agree.

Thank you.

I felt that I did not have enough information to be able to make an educated decision on this, so I made a couple phone calls. I spoke with Andrew Curlin, who we know, who's helped us out on beautification. He's a former chair of BAC. He was on this committee for eight years. He's a master gardener and has a landscape business that has to do with native and Florida native plants. He shared a lot of concerns about synthetic turf and stated that he believes that the sun breaks it down every six to seven years. The pieces start to fall off. It has a really short lifespan. These plastics fall into the water. They're harmful to the turtles. So he was not in favor of that portion of this. And then I spoke with Lindsey Boehner, who lives on our island. She's a horticulturalist. She was on Beach and Coastal for a while and is familiar with a lot of our ordinances. She kind of also had a broader concern about that, first of all, she likes Florida natives. She likes the idea of going Florida natives. That'd be great. But her bigger question was, who's going to enforce this? The landscapers here come from places up north. They don't know Florida native. Florida-friendly plants. The homeowners don't. Code enforcement doesn't. Like, who's really going to go around and police this is a question.

Well, you know the difference between plastic turf and real grass.

Well, for sure. Exactly. But just as an overall kind of an overall idea, and also we know from doing Marco and Bloom and visiting a lot of homes, there are homes that have rocks, newer homes even, that have a lot of rocks in their property, even though they have some natives. That's not being enforced, the no rock. So I would like to learn more about how this would be enforced and monitored.

I think when they build, the no rock is enforced now, you know?

But we saw with Markle and Bloom it's not, because there are newer homes that have rock. Really? While we drove around all over the place, there were all kinds of properties.

Just as access. I think most of those are grandfathered, or not grandfathered in, occurred because of the carryover from Collier County.

Some of them did, but there are also some newer ones.

Dan said it was never allowed in the swale, and that at some point we're going to require it be ended. There's some properties, older ones, that have rocks everywhere, but grass in the swales, as they should, because that is what the ordinance is. And I don't think this is an enforcement thing. This is offering a choice when you build or when you re-landscape to use Florida native and Florida friendly. And so I don't think that part's an enforcement. But somebody could argue that.

Would I be correct in saying the main point of this white paper is offering the choice to replace mandatory grass with a choice of either doing the grass, native landscaping, or the synthetic turf? OK. I'm all in favor of deregulation, of having choices. Previously, someone could get AstroTurf or synthetic grass by permitting the city and requesting it. So it's not like it wasn't a thing that wasn't already happening. I think we're all in favor of yes, let's make it so that there's a choice between grass and native landscaping. But then when it comes to synthetic grass, I feel as if maybe it shouldn't be allowed without a permit because the environmental detriment of synthetic grass with I mean the heat alone that synthetic grass creates compared to normal grass or just plain dirt is it's it's a difference of I think something between 20 to 40 degrees yeah it's it's extraordinarily hot so it could be it could even be dangerous I don't think it's the best idea in the world for us to open up to something like that. Personally, I find synthetic grass to look extraordinarily tacky. If we're looking at this strictly from a beautification idea, then synthetic probably isn't the way that we want to go. I'm in favor of the idea because truly, without... Less water use is great, but isn't there, if I'm looking at this right, let me see. Sorry, I had this pulled up and then I lost it. Oh, sorry. So synthetic turfs are in section 30.433, places universal automatic irrigation requirement with a ground cover specific framework. Conventional turf retains the full existing irrigation requirement unchanged. Florida-friendly natives are exempt from mandatory permanent irrigation with temporary establishment warning. Synthetic grass areas are fully exempt. So that's good. But I'd just be worried about microplastics, about the heat. And it's kind of... The main point of this is to be environmentally conscious so that we don't have people dumping fertilizer into the canals. I think we're just going to start dumping plastic in the canals if we kind of let all hell break loose. It's like whoever wants to can do synthetic grass without a permit. People are going to want to do it anyway. Let them have to jump through that extra hoop to do the permit. I would say just remove the synthetic grass.

I don't even think that we should even allow a permit. I think it should not be allowed on Markall.

I agree. I think it should be banned altogether.

I do too.

Well, right now, what this paper is saying is to not require a permit. I like leaving it the way it is, require a permit, and we can chase that later because I think that's an easier get, but I would like it to be changed from requiring all the turf to allowing a person without a permit to do Florida friendly Florida native. I think that's a place I feel we kind of seem to have consensus on, but I wouldn't mind if Rick has any further way to enlight us or give us more details or what he was trying to accomplish that he would be allowed to speak if that's okay with you guys.

Yeah. And I want to also ask about, I agree with you on the Florida friendly landscaping. Why isn't that allowed now? Like, isn't that allowed now?

That one section says that a lawn, well, that section 3.435 still requires lawn in areas sodded or planted with turf species.

I think it's with new construction. When you're doing new construction, they're required to jump through these hoops to have this and this and this.

They're mandatorily required to have grass. Yes.

They can't just do all natives. I believe that's the way it reads. That's crazy. Because I had some people building new construction that were complaining about it because my yard is definitely not that way. Right. But mine wasn't new construction. It already had plants there, and I just added to it.

Can we get clarification on that? Is that a lot? Like, can you build a house right now and not put any grass, just do all Florida-friendly?

That... I was actually trying to look it up right now. I'll do some research and get back to you about it.

I think that's section 30.

And also about the rock along the seawall. I don't think you're allowed. Yeah, no, the seawall. Okay. Yeah, I'm looking at that, too. Because there's an area at the parks, we've got a couple seawalls, and we don't spray within 10 feet of it. I mean, we don't get anywhere near it. On the rock? On the rock. And how do you get rid of the grass? Pull it. Good for you.

But like at Mackle, the grass goes all the way to the pond. And it gets sprayed with fertilizer. And it's all going in. So I don't know if that's good. That's not good.

I couldn't get sprayed with other things besides fertilizer.

Do you want to come up, Rick? And do you have any answers to these questions?

Yes.

Thank you.

Hi, I'm Rick Woodworth. Am I limited to four minutes, or is this kind of a freewheeling discussion?

This is a discussion. You brought the paper forward, so.

Okay Look, let me just give you a little bit of background. I'm on the waterways Advisory Committee and the original purpose of this paper was to Remove the obligation to put turf grass so that we could Reduce water usage reduce fertilizer and As you pointed out give people choice rather than mandate mandatory turf grass. A small bit of background on artificial turf. I tend to be sympathetic to the views everybody expressed about the concerns and I think There are some people on the waterways committee that share those concerns I have anecdotal evidence of artificial turf My mother lived in Santa Barbara, California, which is not exactly South Florida and when they had water shortages she put artificial turf in her backyard and she had it there for I Don't know probably 20 years and frankly It never degraded. You could wash it with a hose. She had a dog and it looked great and my mother loved it and I thought it should be an option. I don't think anybody on Marco would Make their whole lawn artificial turf but I'm certainly open from for Taking that out of the presentation or still requiring a permit for it. It's not the core of my presentation The other part of it that I think is key that I mean everybody should focus in a little bit on that Marco Island uses about 3.6 billion gallons of water potable water every year and the city indicates 60 to 70 percent of that is dedicated to irrigation landscaping um on both single-family homes public right-of-way city property condominiums that means that we're pouring two to two and a half billion gallons a year of potable water our property that percolates through the soil or evaporates or feeds the grass and I personally think that's an incredibly wasteful practice and I think at the next City Council meeting you're actually going to hear a presentation from Jeff Poteet about the growing scarcity of water and I think Marco Island needs to get on the cutting edge of this to really analyze how much water we're wasting and not only is it wasteful but it's probably costing homeowners between 10 and 17 million dollars a year to water their lawns and i i think it's a waste so I'm promoting less water, less fertilizer, freedom of choice, and remove the contradictions within the city ordinances, which say they promote Florida-friendly landscaping, but then they turn around and make turf graphs mandatory. I just have a couple of illustrations that I'm not sure came through in the package that you have. One of these is just an illustration of what lawns could look like if they're converted. These are backyards, obviously, on canals, to more Florida-friendly. I understand your concern about putting the... weed killer on the rock but when i moved to marco i did i had grass running up to the seawall as indicated in the picture on the left and my landscaper insisted that he put in a french drain by the seawall cap to help preserve the seawall and so i think moving to get rid of French drains around the island we should probably review that with the seawall people to see if that's really a good idea plus if there isn't some kind of French drain I do know and have seen landscapers you know do blow grass from the canals or from the lawns right into the canals The other illustration, and this is really a more aggressive picture of what the swale area, I call them the parkways sometimes, could look like with Florida-friendly landscaping. Now, it's not really a perfect depiction because the city currently has an ordinance enforcing a new swale design that does have gravel at the bottom of the swale and there's examples of it in the city I know that along North Barfield right by the Barfield Bridge there's an example that they did as a demonstration program and I I don't know for sure how successful that's been I do know that they are Trying to implement it on new home construction. I have not seen a lot of the new swale design But I'm sure they're trying to implement it so A lot went into why I think this is a good idea, conservation, fertilizer, water quality, the environment, choice, and I think we should give people on Marco a choice and not have contradictions in our ordinances where on one hand they encourage Florida Friendly and the other hand they

mandate turf grass so that's kind of my two cents on how i got here me may i uh speak okay i love it i think it's very well thought out um and i had no idea that that was the sheer amount of water that we were using per year that is absolutely insane and you're 100 right something needs to be done about it i think that this is great my only stipulation is i think that we should retain having AstroTurf be something that can be permitted. So maybe the fight to fight right now isn't banning AstroTurf altogether, but just instead of having it be you can put it there without permit, that it has to be permitted and keep it the way that it is, but unblocking the right for people to choose what they want in their On their lawns, because monoculture lawns, it's not just terrible for water usage, but it's terrible for the environment overall. So I'm fully in favor as long as we make it so that the synthetics stay a permitting choice rather than...

free-for-all and I think that's something that our committee is is gonna address actually it's on the agenda for this month's waterways committee so if anybody wants to come to that committee meeting and make a comment that'd be great I mean we're certainly open to it this this started back in March and because of our committee schedule and cancellation meetings it kind of got and I was hoping for the opportunity to come here and speak to everybody and get your input because it's the two committees together that I think should work and sponsor an ordinance to council.

Do you have any more comments? I do have some comments. I don't know if you'll want to hear them, but I guess I might as well do it. I am a gardener, and I have been a gardener all my life. I was raised that way. When you put rock down around the base of plants, it heats them up. It does not save on water conservation. And it's very hard on the plants to survive in a rock garden. It has to be a special kind of a plant to do that. Your better solution is to mulch it. And once the plants have grown, they will fill in. You won't even have to mulch anymore. I'm not at all in favor of rock because people don't generally go out and pull the weeds. It is the landscapers that are hired and they don't have time to do it and they take the spray and they go all the way down the edge of the fence line, down the rock, and up the fence line again with the pesticides. So I see it over and over again. I would be happy to come to your meeting and speak because I think people, rock looks pretty. You know, in that picture, that looked gorgeous. But the maintenance of it and trying to take care of it and what actually happens to the plant and the heat and everything else, it's not realistic.

Can I interject here a bit? Go ahead. I think some of those visuals you could swap that out in your mind for mulch pine mulch bark moat really none of that belongs in the swales any rock i think that's an anomaly that's not intended i think the main justice is what ryan eloquently summarized and actually i would like to see a vote from our committee in support of his white paper with the exception of leaving AstroTurf synthetic turf as it is permitted. I would like to show the support if we as a committee and then we'll have hopefully two committees going and then it can go to city council or whatever the next step is to get that ordinance to give that choice for Florida friendly and Florida native.

And the Florida-friendly, in this white paper, number four, talks about Florida-friendly landscape practices, and we learned all about that during our Marco and Bloom judging, and rock is not a Florida-friendly landscape practice. Correct. And so that needs to be spelled out, that rock is not allowed.

Okay.

And whatever the other options are that are Florida-friendly, that are part of the Florida-friendly landscape principles, I think should be allowed, and there's a lot of different types of mulch. Right.

But rock... Linda, on your street, you have two front yards that are totally synthetic astroturf. I know. I don't like them. And one of them is really buckling and wrinkling.

Yeah, and someone else has a synthetic one on Sheffield that is their entire front yard is astroturf, and they have a putting green in their front yard. So I agree to eliminate the synthetic yard, but also I would like it to be spelled out clearly and maybe not shown in your photographs. Show mulch. Because I think the photographs that are misleading in that people would think they're allowed to do that, and that's not consistent with the nine Florida-friendly landscape practices.

Luckily, that's a pretty easy change.

Yeah, yeah.

I can talk to AI about that. Yeah, I was going to say.

I think the white paper is wonderful and very informative. As we're doing an ordinance reform, now is the time to take words out, put words in, because, again, it's an education for homeowners, landscapers, and this is talking about going forward. If you have your AstroTurf, they're gonna be grandfathered in. But I agree that both the AstroTurf wording and even the rock wording doesn't need to be in there. Because it's giving them the idea of it. So if that's out, they'd look at, oh, Florida Friendly, oh, mulch. And I know when we came and when we built, we needed X amount of grass and X amount of trees that weren't flower friendly. And we approached the city and they were like, oh, you're thinking very innovatively, but that's not the rule. So I think that whatever information you can put out in this going forward, now's the time.

Do you have the information that Martha was going to look up about if there's a new construction home or someone's renovating their yard or whatever, is there a percentage requirement in our ordinance that some must be turf? Could you do 100% Florida-friendly today if you wanted to?

I think you have to apply for a special permit.

So why should that be?

That's what the point of this white paper is.

My question is, so that just removes the permission step, but that's always been allowed? It just needed a

special permit permit or permission or something i don't think it was that easy because i had multiple uh new construction on my street and they've all been complaining we had to put this in they made us do it yeah well that makes sense to be able to remove that requirement i think i think that we're all of very similar mind here we're just getting a little bit um nitty-gritty in the details yes i'd like to make a motion that we um

express support for this white paper with the exception of the synthetic turf and rock. And that way it sends the message to them where we are and we are joint with them on the parts that are good and the parts that we're not ready for. We aren't. I mean, someday when we run out of water, we might all want to do AstroTurf when we run out of water, which Florida can, but right now we're not there. So I'd like to make that motion, and then we can discuss further if there's a second.

I will second your motion.

Does anybody else have any questions? I still have a lot of questions. I feel like I don't have enough information to – I support the general idea, just like everyone else has been talking about. But I still would like to learn more. Maybe coming to your meeting would help me learn more.

I'd love to have people come when is the next one it's the third Thursday which I think is next Thursday no this is the first Wednesday so and what time are your meetings at 830 in the morning

a little early I know but no that's just when I work so I I'm either going to be out of town or not here but whoever wants to send the message that I fully support as like our amend mentions I don't know our amendments uh I'm I'm in favor so does any there was a motion made in a second do we want to have a vote or do we well that requires a vote then

Does anyone else?

Just to get wording correct on that, the motion would effectively be that we as the Beautification Committee are saying We like the idea. We would be in favor of it moving forward if we struck synthetic grass and the mention of rocks as decorative pieces when it comes to preferable changes. Correct.

That's exactly what I intended.

Correct. So I second. Oh, yeah, Linda, I think that's your... Is that roll? I think we're not spending money, so I think you can just ask for a consensus, right?

No, you still want to do a roll call if we're going to put our name on it. Okay.

Okay. Member Myers? Yes. Member Sullivan?

Yes.

Vice-chairs, I'm so sorry.

I'm going to say no because I want more information. Although I'm generally in favor of the idea, I just want to gather some more information.

Members CP? Yes. Member Glute?

Yes. Motion passes 4-1.

I just want to throw out one more anecdotal piece of information. Before coming to beautiful Marco Island, I had a home in Palm Springs, California. And Palm Springs began to experience severe water shortages even though they've got a lot of beautiful golf courses there were restrictions put in place there were severe penalties for excess water usage and in the community I lived in they virtually took up most of the grass and and left what I'd call desert sand and cactus. And it was a new look, and it took a little bit to get used to, but after a while, when you really think about it, water conservation is gonna be critical, not only out in California and Arizona, but hey, it's coming to Florida, and I think if you read Jeff Poteet's paper, you'll see this is something we can't fool around with.

And I agree with you on the water conservation part of it. We only use 15 minutes twice a week on our lawn, and that's in the wintertime. In the summertime, I mean in the, I get, okay, right now in the summertime, we don't need it because we're getting some rain.

Rain, right.

And I have Florida Friendly. So it works. And you can do drip hoses that get rid of a lot of the excess water underneath mulch. And the mulch will help keep the moisture in. So there are other avenues to make your yard beautiful and save water than astroturf.

But I think when you look at 60% to 70% of our potable water is going for irrigation, that's pretty scary to me. So thank you very much for having me.

Thank you, Rick. Thank you.

I appreciate your support.

Welcome to the WAC meeting. Thank you. I'll be there, Rick. Okay, we'll see if we can move this along. Thanks again.

Okay, new business, did you want to talk about? Excuse me, Linda.

Sorry, there was a request to move public comment ahead of new business, if that's okay.

Of course.

Can you do consensus with everybody and then?

Is that okay? Yes. Okay.

Yes.

Hi Deb Henry not City Councilor Deb Henry Rotarian before I wanted to speak before you guys discussed your ballot the budget allocation of different things the banners that you all have kind of allotted money for in discussion with the Rotary the Rotary would like to sponsor and pay for those banners The thing that needs to be discussed amongst, and I had this discussion with Dr. Lucius and with Joe, this is a beautification decision because what the Rotary does ask is the banners would be the dolphins, the turtles, as they, if you repeated the same pattern, we would just ask that the Rotary symbol would be in the corner or something, not the whole banner, but we would be identified on that. So I wanted to present that ahead of time for you guys to have that discussion when the time comes to talk about the banners. But I want you to know, going into your discussions today, that if in the back of your minds that's okay with you, you wouldn't have to allocate any money towards the banners.

Okay.

How big is the logo?

I think it would all be based on size and dimension of the banner. Because you would design it.

So the logo is a yellow... Would it be like not exceeding a certain percentage of the banner? Yes.

Oh, absolutely. Like in my idea...

It would be in the bottom right corner, not exceeding 3%. Yeah, if this is it, it would be right here in the corner. Yeah, exactly.

You know what I mean? It's an identifiable symbol.

All right. We'll probably just want to have an exact content guideline for that so that we know it'll be 3 inches tall in the bottom right corner, something like that, so that when the artists are designing, they don't put anything important.

Well, that's where I figured we'd go into it for you guys when you get in your discussions on the design and stuff like that. We could just put in whatever size dimensionally so it was laid out exactly. It wouldn't be a dolphin tucked behind a yellow round circle. The dolphin doesn't need to be holding the rotary symbol in its mouth. Exactly. But I just wanted to make sure I told you guys that before while you talked about your budget because that gives you somewhere around $4,000 or $5,000.

Yes. I have a question. The Rotary is, of course, a non-for-profit, right? Yes. Okay, that makes me feel much more comfortable. Thank you.

Yes, yes. And this would be, I know I have the full support of the Noontime Rotary, and we'll be talking to the Morning Rotary, so both Rotary clubs on the island would be represented for doing that. Thank you.

It's a great idea, and I'm always in favor of a sponsor, especially a nonprofit. With their logo, it doesn't bother me at all.

Good. Okay, thanks. I just wanted to kind of hit you all with that so that you could make your decision when it comes to budgeting and knowing that you'd have a little extra money. All right. OK. Thank you. And we can talk about banners another day, but today you don't have to worry about paying for them.

While we are on the subject of banners, I would just like to bring up, I have begun talking to artists, local artists, and saying, would you have ideas for the banners? And I've had a lot of people, a lot of positive feedback about doing, like, an art contest like we did for the utility box wraps and maybe if we even wanted to talk to Rotary about maybe having a prize that went along with winning artists.

I think the biggest thing with that because the banners are sequentially down the street because the wraps are through town, so varying artistry doesn't matter, so it's a symmetry?

Yeah, I would think that, what, there were four designs previously, right? Five?

You'll have five designs with the new proposal that we have. So it's 50 and five designs.

Okay. So then if we have at least six people submit designs, then we'll have to pick five of them. So I still think that would be fine.

And you and I can get together if that's something in the process and kind of work out what, because there's a few different symbols, what's the best for our recognition and also not to distract from the artistry. Okay.

And I have one of the ailed banners so that I can get dimensions and everything for artists and all that. So we can go look at that any time.

Sure thing. But, yeah, so I wanted to let you know you guys just found some money. Thank you.

Which we all like doing.

We love you.

Okay. Did you want to talk really quickly about cul-de-sac? Yes. So ours is going to be something that you want to talk about in the next meeting.

If you put me on the agenda for next time, I would like to stand up and give just a small total description of all that could be done. options so We can do that.

We can just so I think what we need to do is we need to have a Consensus vote to put that on the agenda.

Is that correct or that would be on item 12, though We we probably should wait for that and then you just put it on anything that you want added at that time.

Okay All right, so now we'll talk about funding Funding distribution we each filled out our little wish list of funding Joe. Do we still have? $25,000 at the moment. Yes, you do. I Okay, so I see a lot of, there's a lot of variety in what people have put down. So let's kind of talk about some of the items. So we have new trees, and a lot of people, obviously we like trees, and we have a variety of money on that. So let's, I know we want to do new trees, we can talk about the amount later. For replacement of trees, I see a lot, Zeros, 1,800, zeros. But what I would like, 10,000. Okay, what I would like to bring to remind everybody about the 13 gumbo limbo trees that LCEC cut down when they were putting up their poles in last summer on Bald Eagle. And I would like to have some money for us to put some of our new trees there. Because otherwise there's not going to be any. It's us putting trees there or no one's putting trees there. So that would be my request.

I kind of feel like new trees and replacement trees are one and the same thing. But on new trees, we had two at $15,000, one at $10,000, and one at $20,000. So we have a significant amount of people who want to do money on new trees. One was $2,000 and two zeros. On replacement trees, we had $1,800. $10,000, $2,000, and I think $7,800 is what I wrote down. Absolutely.

So I like your idea. Let's combine them because that can be a big chunk of our money.

Yes, a very big chunk. And it's so nice if we're going to go with the light banners. Most people had the $2,500, which we had already budgeted. One person had $2,000. One person had $1,000. One had $500. But the rest pretty much had $2,500.

Yes, so that's good. So if that's gone, that's if we just, I think we all like this idea.

That's easy.

Another item that we had a lot of comments on was the holiday lights. So at a minimum, if we want the same thing that was last year, it's $3,000. And I know Marv has been wanting more because he wants to do more. So how do you guys feel about maintaining what we paid last year versus more than what we paid last year?

Linda, I had in my notes it was $3,500 to put up what we had. So if I'm wrong, I would drop mine to $3,000. We had $1,000, $2,000, $3,500, $5,000. And that was Marvin, the higher number. So yeah, I think I want to put up what we have.

I believe it's $3,500. I can look it up, but I'm pretty sure it was $3,500.

Does everyone kind of agree that we're not ready to spend more than what we spent last year? We want to do what we did last year? We have consensus on that?

Okay. The thing is that would be nice is to fluff it out a little bit more like the intention was last year. Every other. I remember Marv had said every other. Absolutely. And then we just put it up on every. So that would be very nice because then it would look like we got more without getting more. Agreed. So that would be – And also, I'm just going to make clear, I put a lot of mine blank just because I don't know how much anything costs. That's okay.

I think we have consensus that we want to spend what we spent last year. And I think somebody had talked to the roofing people and they said they were going to keep the cost the same. That's great. And I just want to get through a couple of these because I think if we get through the small things we want to pay, then we'll know how much money we have left over for the new trees. So Marco Nature Night, do we want to do that program again? And if so, the only cost we have is printing of the programs. I think we should.

I'd like to do it again.

Good. We have consensus on that. And I guessed. I don't know how much printing of programs costs.

Well, so I specifically did – the one thing that I looked up was for the Marco's Most Unwanted flyers. I just budgeted if we printed 100 of those posters, how much that would cost, and that's what I put on there. I don't remember what the number is, and I don't have it in front of me.

You put 170.

Yeah, that was how much it was for, or that might have been $250 then, which I think is where the price point jumped. So we can see.

Are you just talking like the size of a sheet of paper?

11 by 17, 11 inches by 17 inches, a ledger-sized poster. And that would be on 110 cardstock.

Joe, do we have to give you exact numbers, or we're just kind of voting in general?

No, I think you're just voting in general and rather than numbers.

We're not making any real hard line, we have to do this.

This is more, I think, for you guys just to get an idea of how much you want to put into each bucket.

That's a guide. Yes. And so having a little bit of printing money for our unwanted posters, having a little bit of printing money for our Marco Nature Night programs, we're all in favor of. Okay.

Yeah, I would think between the two we could get that done for $300 to $500. Yeah. Okay.

Okay, let's talk about Marco and Bloom. And Victoria, I'm going to let you lead that.

Last year, it was 600, but we had to do an extra award because of a tie. If we don't, it would be closer to five. So if it's five, then I'm just only going to give so many. That's it.

That gives our, how many, did we have six categories? Seven? Yeah. Of a first place win that gets a sign.

I mean, maybe we should put in a stipulation just for future reference if we have a tie again so we can make sure that we keep that money the same. If we do have a tie... Would we be allowed to send an email out to everyone and in the same way that we just did this document where it's basically which one do you like better and you just pick one and then whoever gets the...

Actually, last year I paid for the extra one myself.

Okay.

Right. What we would like to do is make sure that doesn't have to happen. Right. Because the timing is so tight between when we know the results and when you have to order the signs, we don't have time for a meeting. Are we allowed to vote by? How about if we say we're going to pay for one extra sign and then that's just in case, and if we don't have to do it, then we pay less. Right. I agree. Okay. Yeah. So we're all in agreement.

But what if there's more than one time?

that's unlikely okay oh very unlikely with the way we score okay um i think if you put it in at 600 it's we'll cover everything and maybe we won't have to spend it off no time the thing we did with mike corey with arbor day is he his estimate i think came in slightly higher than what we had approved if we just took a vote at the next meeting to make sure we reimbursed him so if that came again where we had to have a seventh sign for another tie could Victoria say that cost more than we thought. Can we revote? And then we did. Is that allowed? Okay. Then that's not a problem.

I just like the idea of having one winner versus ties, but we can also look at that in the future.

Yeah. So we've got the holiday lights for 3000. We've got some printing, maybe three to $500 for the two events. We've got five to $600 for signs. We don't need to worry about light pole banners.

Um, I have another thought. I think every day goes under trees. It's a tree. It absolutely is part of.

But there's the plaque as well, right?

That's what I said.

We included that. In our Tree City USA, we included that as part of our money last time. So yeah, so Arbor Day can kind of go within that. The other things that he had on the list were...

I suppose it is important to keep them separate because then we know that regardless, the money specifically for the Arbor Day tree, even though it is a new tree, is going to be there if we're making big decisions about, like, oh, we're going to plant 40 trees on this road, and that will take up all the money, and then we run out for Arbor Day. Maybe we should keep them apart instead of lumping them together.

We'll just keep that in our mind. Yeah.

Yeah, well, that's the point of making it separate things, even though we know that it's for a new tree.

Great. I think most of us put, we have one 2,500 for utility boxes, and all the rest were zero because, oh, maybe 1,000 here, 500. Did we decide, Joe, that it's not time yet to replace those?

For which ones?

The utility box wraps. Yes.

I don't believe we did decide that. I think we just talked about it. Nobody had actually decided or said anything that they wanted to actually put money towards that.

How do you guys feel about that?

I don't think it's a priority for this year.

Sorry, what, Victoria? I don't feel it's a priority for this year.

Did we say that there were ones that haven't been wrapped yet? Because I don't think any of them need to be replaced. I've been looking around at them, and they all seem in great condition. Or were there ones that haven't been wrapped yet that we were looking at?

So we've been talking about light pole banner signs for a year, and then money mysteriously magically showed up. So maybe we just keep talking about how we're going to need to be replacing these utility box wraps soon.

Exactly.

Over and over and over and see if money mysteriously shows up next year.

Exactly. We want to replace all the utility boxes right now.

So does anybody feel we need to- The only thing left is historical markers.

Well, let me finish the utility. Does anybody feel we should be budgeting any money this year? Do we need to do that this year? Okay. Consensus?

Okay. No. Historical markers. Did you have a comment, Victoria? That's the only thing that was left yet. And we've not put any money towards it in the last couple years. I don't think we need to put much. Somewhere between $250 and $500, I think, would do it. Adding a few new plants and maintaining them a little bit.

So I put, well, I was thinking in my head, maybe I, oh, I have it down at the bottom. Refresh all plantings for the historical markers at 300 each, which is about $4,000. So I think we've been talking to Mike Corey about some of them not looking so great. And only, like Rhonda, I think you handle a couple of them. They're doing okay. The ones that you're looking at. But of the 13, there's a lot of them that are not doing well. And is that something – I mean, these are important historical markers. We're supposed to be taking care of the signs. We're supposed to be taking care of the plantings. Not physically us going out there, but paying to make sure they're refreshed. Is this something we want to think about? Do we need to wait for Mike Corey to come back and say, yeah?

I think he should because he goes around and looks at all of them, and he knows which ones need something. It may have just been that they planted the wrong plant in the wrong, too sunny or too shady sort of thing.

I think that's a good point. Let's wait for Mike Corey to decide on that one for sure. Is everyone OK with that?

Yeah, if something needs to be done, it ought to be done. So leave it for Mike to give his expert opinion on.

And anything else? The only thing I added was this idea. So I put adopt a median. So on the year before I was on beautification, they adopted a median on Heathwood and they did all kinds of plantings along it. And that shows what a great median could look like. It was very pretty. I don't know the exact cost. I don't know if Joe, if you could get that information. I think it was maybe $7,500 or something to do a median. One thing I didn't know was with all of the construction that happened on Collier from around Yellow Bird, et cetera, are those medians, is this done? And the way the medians look now are done? Because if so, we could adopt one of the medians in that construction area where there's nothing.

That's a dangerous area to work.

Unfortunately, that's a Justin Martin question And I'm not sure what you had already addressed with him so I can look into that and I'll look into the pricing So I can oh we might have information on that we have a counselor comment on this

Hi, Deb Henry, city councilor. I actually brought up those medians to Casey in my meeting with her last week and said, because the problem with our medians, it's not that they need plants, they need to be completely reconstructed. So I was talking about when you're first coming on the island, right before the turning lane starts, the new lane, there's a median there and it's just barren. The problem is to do what should be done properly is more like a $40,000 or $50,000 thing. So my wheels are spinning on that, not donating anything that I know of. But unfortunately, because I was like, can't we just throw some plants in it? Well, we're going to throw some plants for no reason because they have to be rebuilt. So it is something that I know Dr. Lucius is looking into. um and trying to figure out because it's a median problem throughout the island so would it be nice to throw a couple trees in there yeah but i don't know if you're just sacrificing some trees and throwing money just for it to look pretty for a year well okay understood um i have a question i would like a little bit of follow-up information on and that is what is this the jw marriott's responsibility for their medians that look gorgeous

What do they do with those? And can we go to the Hilton and say, there's a median right in front of you. Could you do what the JW is doing? Or go down to Cape Marco, whose medians look terrible, to add that onto the Cape Marco landscaping budget for them to do one median and own it? But what I don't know is what that entails. Would you guys be willing to go ask businesses, or even the Marco Island Yacht Club, can you take the median that's right in front of the Yacht Club?

Great idea.

Absolutely.

I have a landscaper that knows the reason why, so he can reach out to him. Or he probably already knows. He used to be with Public Works, and he specializes in irrigation.

If you give me the contact information for him, I can reach out to him and learn.

Okay. There's no thing, Linda, like you had the adoptive median. I had in mind kind of adoptive cul-de-sac. Our cul-de-sacs are so ugly. Perhaps we do one or two if The committee wants to. Concepts with before and after photos. I don't know what that will cost. I put $1,000. It's probably way under what it should be. But that kind of ties into what Rhonda is talking about, too.

I was thinking the same thing when she said that. I was like, well, let's do that for our cul-de-sac circles. You know, adopt them. And I have the people on my street already on board to adopt our circle. You know, they're willing to... pitch in money and work and everything else to get it done. So they're not really asking the city anything except for a spigot. And in order to get plants started and to keep them nice, you have to have at least a drip system. You can't just expect them to grow in dry sand. Even Even all native.

So your request to beautification would be that we pay for them to get initial water?

Not beautification. I think the city, because it is, it actually, how much, I want to know how much is it going to cost to put one spigot? One spigot.

We're going under the street. It's significant.

But no, it's already there. The water is already in the circle.

And if we adopt a cul-de-sac for beautification, somebody needs to be paying ongoing for the water. It has to be hooked up to someone's house.

No, it doesn't have to be hooked up to someone's house. This is not an individual's property. It is the city's property. It's just like the... The medians. The medians. It's just like a median.

So, Rhonda, are you saying there's already a water source running under each cul-de-sac? All they have to do is tap in and put a sprinkler head?

There's already water to each circle. I think most, I don't know of one that doesn't have it. They need it for flushing. If there was a problem with a leak or whatever, they can go to the end of the street and flush out the whole street. And as far as I know, most of them have it. Is that not the fire hydrant, though? No, it's not a fire hydrant. They do this on Eddington frequently because it handles our street, Eddington, and part of Palm, I believe. But yeah, the water is already there. And I was talking to my husband about it. And like he said, he could do it because he does ours. But you can't have that. It's got to be a city person.

one of our members on committee, Marv Needles, when we went and visited his cul-de-sac, he personally had the water line run under the street when he got his water put in to his cul-de-sac. If this is a thing where there is a possibility to just, because this would be the first I'm hearing about it, if there's a way to just put a spigot there, but I don't know if there is any infrastructure

I think we need to verify that with somebody from the city. I don't have the understanding.

I think someone from the city is ready to tell us.

I don't have an understanding. There's a water source there.

There is a water source there. I can verify that. I see them use it all the time.

I don't have any insight on this. I'll have to talk to Justin to see. Like I said, I don't want to give any answers one way or another, but I've not heard anything about water sources being available for us to do this with.

So if you bring back information from Justin, and then Marv also has a lot of information. I think he's kind of been leading the cul-de-sac efforts in our committee, so that would be another one that maybe we postpone until he gets back.

Because what I understand, all you have to do is connect the pipe to the spigot, to the water source that is already there. So it's not that difficult. Yeah.

So let's postpone that until... Yeah. So... Is there anything else?

I do have a suggestion. If we were doing the adopt a median versus adopt a cul-de-sac, the marriage of those two things, something that looks terrible right now is the yellow bird roundabout. There's one palm tree in there and a dead plant.

There's a lot of them that look bad.

But specifically the roundabout, because that's a median and a cul-de-sac.

I love that idea.

So then that kind of is, if we as a committee took that, then that's kind of, we can use that as an example both for medians and for cul-de-sacs. And of any cul-de-sac on the island, of any circular area of land, that is going to be the most visible because people drive by that every day.

That's what I like about that idea. It's not a dead-end cul-de-sac. The only thing is I don't know if they have a spigot there already.

I don't think.

Because it's a roundabout.

Joe will get with Justin and figure that out, I'm sure. But if we got to go bring pails of water there once a week, whatever we got to do.

You know, if you don't have a water source there all the time, let's postpone this until we hear back from Justin.

But I agree. I think we're going down the right path, the right direction for these. Is there, besides the new trees, because that's our big category, do we have any other, were there other ideas or suggestions? I think we kind of have a good direction of where we're going.

Well, Marvin had $10,000 for matching funds. I'm not sure what that was. And then somebody had $5,000. Well, that was Linda for comedians.

Matching funds?

I don't know what matching funds means either. Does anybody know what Marvin meant by matching funds?

Does that mean if someone donates a certain amount of money?

Oh, holiday lights. He's got that under holiday lights.

Oh, yeah.

He was going to try to get some money from the Realtors Association.

Oh, and if we were able to match whatever they made?

I think we've decided we're happy with what we did last year for now.

Agreed.

And then the rest of the money would go towards new trees, including LCEC replacement trees, but new trees, whatever amount that is, which we can, if you can kind of loosely do the math and bring that back to us next month.

The only other minor thing I had is because I knew the white paper was coming forward with options for Florida Friendly, is spending a little money somehow to educate people.

Yeah, I was going to mention that when we were, this might not be a, this might be a new business topic for the agenda, but we could maybe similar to the poster have a informational, like an infographic on the difference between standard turf, synthetic turf and ground cover. a Florida-friendly ground cover.

That could also be a topic for Marco Nature Night.

Yeah, yeah.

It'd be great. And we could have handouts or something.

And there's something called Freedom Grass, and that's where you let the natural grasses fill in. And actually, when they're mowed, they look very similar. It's just not every blade is exactly the same, but it's all green.

Yeah.

So that is very popular.

Is that what you needed from us in terms of this budget conversation?

Great. So are we putting a big round number on new trees, replacement trees combined? I don't know what we landed on that. Are we just taking everything we have, subtracting these small things, and that's what it is probably?

I think the latter.

All right.

And Joe can bring that back to us next month, and then we can talk about it some more when we have the Marv here and we have Mike Corey here, if that's okay. Great. Okay, so one thing I wanted to do before we move on to staff communications is vote on things that we want to talk about in the future so we don't have to wait an extra month because we have to get consensus now on everything. So I would like to, if this is okay, do we have consensus for Marco Nature Night to talk about that on future agendas? Yes.

Yes.

And Marco and Bloom?

Yes. Absolutely.

And the Cul-de-sac Beautification Program?

Yes.

Tree City USA and Arbor Day?

Yes.

I got 17 of these. The Community Tree Donation Program. That's the one you're working on, Rhonda.

Yes.

And I'm having a hard time getting the names of the people that are still left to do.

I'm not I think maybe we need to talk about maybe next month at our next meeting let's have an agenda item specifically for this because I believe what we read what was written was we'll try and if we can't try we'll put your trees that you donated somewhere so we don't need to only put it where the person donated wanted it but if we can't if you've made an honest effort to try to find people we can just choose a location okay that sounds good yeah so next month we is that okay we'll put that on the agenda yes Okay, I have landscaping education as a category, and I had under there the fertilizer, the unwanted posters, promotion of Florida-friendly landscaping. Marb has had something on the future agenda about updating the city's website, the BAC page, for links for these things. And then working with code enforcement and the business community to address landscaping noncompliance issues on their property. We want to put that as a, just to make sure in case we ever want to talk about it. Everyone agrees? Okay.

Yes.

Median and streetscaping.

Yes.

Yes. The historical markers.

Yes. Yes.

Christmas or long collier. Yes. I have beautification through art, and that's art wraps, that's the banners, and that's also talking, which Anne, I'd love to get an update on maybe next month, the walkway projects.

Perfect. Yes. The South Beach walkway? Yes.

Yeah. And then the only other thing I have is... And I'm not sure where this came from, but I have shade structure over bust. Oh, that's just old stuff we did. Okay, never mind. So all those can go on now at Agenda's Things we can talk about because we have consensus.

Yeah? I love a loophole.

I love a loophole, too. It's all about a loophole. Got it covered. Okay. Staff communications?

Is there anything else we could possibly think of that we want to talk about?

Oh, yeah. Does anyone have anything else?

We don't have to have them all on because it will be all on the next agenda.

Right. But if something comes up like in September, then in October we have to agree on it and we won't be able to talk about it until November. That's why we're doing this. Right.

But you can, yeah, apparently, but I mean like you can always get to number 12 on each agenda and then say, hey, next week or next meeting I'd like to have these on there.

Sounds good.

Oh, so, Steph, the only thing I have was to, one, talk about that, which we just did, and then the other thing was the reimbursement for Michael Corey, which you just had mentioned earlier. I did not get the invoice from Michael Corey until August, and we had already spent the money, so I could not encumber the money. So what I would ask is that you re-vote on that to use funds from FY27, and I fund him in October, or reimburse him in October.

Okay. What was the amount?

It was $500.

And that's for Arbor Day. Can I make a motion? I can make a motion, right? I make a motion that we reimburse Mike Corey for 2025-26 Arbor Day with our 26-27 money.

I will second that.

Everyone in favor?

I think that's roll call.

We have to do a roll call.

Yes. Vice chair sure sure singer. Yes Member Sullivan. Yes Member Myers. Yes Member CP. Yes member glute.

Yes Okay, that passes That's all I had City Council communication We have no public comment. The next meeting is scheduled for October 7th, Wednesday, the first Wednesday at 3 o'clock. Who can make that?

I can. I can. I'll be here.

I can. I have a question, and maybe my memory's not serving me well.

Is Michael at risk for attendance? Has Mike missed three meetings in 12 months?

I'll have to look into it. I don't know. I will review everybody's attendance, and I can answer that next meeting that we have.

OK. Thank you. Thank you. We've already talked about proposed agenda topics. A couple of items that we want to talk about from the historical markers, cul-de-sacs, Does anybody have any other topics? Victoria, when do we need to start talking about Markle Bloom?

Well, let's start in the next meeting because maybe we'll redesign it a little or see the timing of it. And personally, and you too, Linda, I understand our spring flinging is going to be the last week in February, first week in March, which was when Markle Bloom usually is. Do we move Marco Blum up or a little bit later by a few weeks? I don't know. We'll see. I do have a question for Joe, if he's available. I keep checking on Leland Way. And one of the trees that was planted was just a little nub. And I went out and the homeowner was there. And I said, I want to know what happened to this tree. It looks like it was chopped down. And she said it was. She said she reached out to the city and didn't want it and one of them on one side of her house was moved and the other one wasn't and that her husband now this is all hearsay that i'm talking to the wife and the husband did this so i don't know the details because she didn't remember the name she said the husband talked to a woman who was the manager of the city and said it would be moved and i don't think she met dr lucius but i don't know who she finally reached out to and it never was moved to their satisfaction so they cut it down Is that allowed? Which was really disheartening for me to hear. Did Joe's office? I don't know.

So I don't know anything about that. I'll have to look into it. We can look at what happened with it, but I'm not sure what the restrictions are because it's their property. Well, it's not really the easement property.

I'd like to know, yeah.

They said they did it?

Yes, she said. Her husband got tired of the city not coming and moving it, and so he cut it down.

Is this the one that they said was in front of the stop sign?

No.

Is it that same homeowner?

No.

So I think we could find it. We were just driving over there, and you could find the one.

I'll look into it.

Thank you.

I can email you the address, Joe, so you know which one.

Please do.

Because I don't think it's immediately obvious.

Thank you.

You're welcome.

Any other committee communication?

The trees on Heathwood and Swallow look great.

That's great.

Yeah, they're looking great.

The rest of them on Leland look also very good. The end one closest down to the Y, immediately three-quarters, the bottom two-thirds turn brown. And I was worried about it, but now green is showing up and it's coming back out. So it had some particular difficulty with extra shock that the others didn't because it is starting to green again.

The trees on Swallow, I've been down there several times too. And even though they were moved at least once, if not twice, they look great. And I don't know how that's possible, but thank goodness.

Yes, they look terrible after they were moved the second time, but they snapped out of it.

I was very worried. They're looking good now. I was there like two days ago.

Yeah. Awesome.

Okay. If we're done, then would someone like to make a motion to adjourn? I move that we adjourn the meeting.

I second.

Everyone in favor?

Aye.

We're adjourned. Aye.

Thank you.

Thank you.