Parks and Recreation Advisory Committee - Regular Meeting

Here. Member Glutt?

Here.

Member Korey? Vice Chair Scherzinger?

Here.

Member Myers?

Here.

Member Sullivan?

Here.

Chair Needles?

Here. Okay. Can we stand for the pledge, please?

I pledge allegiance to the flag of The United States Of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Okay.

Approval of the agenda?

I'll make a motion to approve.

Okay. I will second that.

Second. Any further comment? All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Carried. Approval of the minutes.

I have one change on number 10. During public comment, it's not Frank Ackley. It's Fran Ackle, F R A N A C L E.

Motion to

amend. Motion to amend. I'll second.

All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Okay. Now for approval of the agenda.

Pushed the vote.

That was a motion to amend.

That was for the minutes. That was for the minutes.

Oh.

Yeah. I'm sorry. That was a motion to amend the minutes. Now we need a motion to approve them.

Oh. Approve it. I move we approve as amended.

I will second.

Okay. All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Carried. Whole business. Leland Way Swales. Vicki?

Yes. I think Joe hopefully has some information for us. He gave me a first bid, and hopefully, some more have come in so we can actually move forward. It is May, and rainy season is bearing down.

You received the lowest bid. We went out for three bids with three different vendors on all locations.

Okay.

So the bid that we have is the lowest bid was from affordable and that was for $3,043 for Leland Way. That's And for seven shady ladies, one royal well, however you say that and and

Points At Santa. Yeah.

I'm sorry. The total again because the one you sent me was 6,000. I haven't gotten this one. This one was how much? 3,000?

Because, yeah, I didn't have all the bids in yet. So, Leland Way is $3,043. Wait a minute. I no. I take that back. You're right. You have the right one. You have the one with the irrigation on there. I take that back.

And remind me, because that one I didn't think was affordable. So run it by me again the total and what it included.

Yeah. You.

Caught me off guard here. Hang on. I thought I had them all with me.

Because I only got the one early on that

was Yeah.

Because 6,000.

Oh, no. That's right. Alright. So alright. I'm dialed in now.

Alright.

Leland Way is that number because there is no irrigation. So and that is the lowest price. It was $3,043. That's the only one of the properties that does not come with irrigation because it's right of way.

Okay. I think previously, we had approved up to $4,000.

We did.

It was was counselor Gray's income for the year. And after taxes, it was 5,000. We allotted 4,000 to this project and 1,000 to our general fund. So I think at this time, do we need to make a motion to have him proceed?

Probably need to a motion, I'm guessing, correct me if I'm wrong, to go ahead and commit.

Well, you've already you said you've allocated four of the $5,000 toward this project.

November.

Right. And now you want to just to approve the selection of the vendor that was proposed. So yes, a motion and a vote would be great.

And since it's financial, we need call.

An actual vote. So I'll move that we approve the lowest bid as presented by Joe and move forward as soon as possible to catch our rainy season. I second it.

Okay, we have a second. Any further discussion? All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Actually, we've

Well, actually, should do this And the second, was that Anne or was that Rhonda? Rhonda. Rhonda, great. Thank you.

Yeah, this is a roll Okay.

So let me call the roll then. It would be Member Myers?

Yes.

Member Glutt?

Yes.

Member Cipi? Yes. Member Vice Chair Scherzinger?

Yes.

Member Ryan? Yes. Sullivan? And Chair Needles?

Yes.

That's great.

Okay. Thank you for your work on that, Joe and Vicki, Victoria.

Thank you, Joe.

Okay. Joe, would you want to do the Calusa Park?

Yeah. So Calusa Park, we got we went just like as the rest of them. We had three vendors. Our lowest price was 4 or $5,202.16. And that is including the irrigation that was requested.

Is that Is there an irrigation system there that's going to cover it?

There is, and they can tie to it. We'll just have to reactivate it because we shut them down after I guess the policy is that we run them to those locations that are off of a park. And then once the trees have become established, we shut those drip legs down.

This is really exciting because he was able to reallocate existing drip lines that were not being used because of existing trees to be able to water these trees. And we have approval from Tree City USA to do this.

That's great.

So this is really exciting. And we followed the this is a plan that we approved, like, November 2024. And we were just waiting for the money to have for this year. So I would like to make a motion that we move forward with this vendor and tree planting.

I'll second.

Who's the second? Got a second? Agreed. Would you like to make such a motion?

So can I make a motion that we accept the bid from Affordable Landscaping for around Mackle Park Lake, which is going to include the spring the bubblers again, for phase one of the soccer field, and then phase two up to the three of those totaling 19,000?

How much does that leave us in Tree City USA for this year?

So my chicken scratch numbers are we had 30, and we're spending 19 and 5 and 3 and one. So 28. That leaves us with 2,000.

Okay. Yeah.

I think. I'll second the motion.

Okay. Any further discussion on the issue? Okay. Jim, please.

Absolutely. Vice Chair Schrodinger?

Yes.

Member Sullivan? Yes. Member Sippi?

Yes.

Member Gloop?

Yes.

Member of Myers?

Yes.

And Cher Needles?

Yes.

And I just wanted to thank Joe so much for gathering all of this information and data and going back and forth with me around the proper size of the trees. And we did end up at the 25 gallon, which the Florida Extension Office was in agreement with and Affordable is. Now Parks and Rec are on board. So thank you very much, Joe, for all of your work.

Problem. Thank you.

Home run.

Okay, political signs, isn't it?

Okay. I bombarded you all with a lot of information about political signs, including a really handy dandy chart that shows what the difference is between our ordinance and Naples' ordinance, in particular with them not allowing signs in the public right of way, and ours where we allow them from 7AM to 6PM, and then they must be removed. And this, again, goes back to what the early voting sites look like and what the churches on Election Day look like with all of those signs in the median. And I also was able to get in touch with the supervisor of election and get her opinion on this. And that email was included in your agenda packet, where she is very much in favor of us changing our ordinance to be in line with Naples.

And the Collier County ordinance is very, very similar to Naples. So we could really do either. They're very, very similar. Same thing, no signs allowed at any time in the public right away. She's got a lot of concerns about what we're doing with our signs down here. I don't know that I need to read the email. But does anyone have any questions or concerns?

I'd just like to comment because when somebody is running for office, not just on Marco Island, but countywide or nationally, that it ought to be somewhat consistent throughout Collier County. And if we can at least come close to the other two ordinances, I think it would be beneficial to everybody as an understanding.

Absolutely. The supervisor has to come up with different plans for us when they're training their workers. And from a beautification standpoint, it looks awful.

I believe the mechanism for this is to refer this to the planning board because this is part of the ordinances, and they're the ones that identify this. Is that correct, Joe?

Sorry. Could you please repeat that?

That in order to change this ordinance, it would be forwarded the recommendation forwarded to the planning board. That is correct. Okay.

Yes.

I have a my lights on? My lights on, if I can ask speak. I have a question on this chart, Linda. And I hope it's not right. The area, it says private property placement. In Naples, it's allowed with permission. On Mark Weiland, it says allowed. I can't imagine you don't have to have permission.

I would think so, too. I would think you have to have permission

as well. JULIE That did happen last year on empty lots. There were a lot of empty lots that were cluttered, and I'm sure did not have permission. So we'll need to keep a watch out for that. JULIE Well, if they

follow the Naples ordinance, then it would definitely be with permission, which is good.

Right. And again, my thoughts on this is this is more political than beautification. The right to speak is our First Amendment and very well defended. And just because Naples hasn't had trouble yet doesn't mean they won't. And a perfect example of what happened at the last city council meeting, it looked like it was gonna be okay to limit some of these sea turtle things because limiting and shark fishing I don't wanna go with those buzzwords, but, it was felt it was defendable, but because other communities have it.

But yet we didn't do it because we were afraid of the lawsuits. And while this may be one, if it was challenged, it would may cost the community, our city, quite a bit of money to defend it. So I like it the way it is, and I will not be voting for this.

You like the the way the ordinance is?

The way it's written.

Okay. Let me clarify something because it relates to the signage. When the realtors, we had an abundance of sign, and we all voted. A lot of realtors said, let's get them get rid of them all. And then we got then when I was on the planning board, we rewrote it. But we minimized the signs to match Naples because the freedom of speech. So we were still allowed to do it. However, we couldn't restrict it at all, you know, get rid of it totally. So as long as they're allowed to do it, we can we can modify to address the size of the signs. We couldn't get rid of them.

So I think in this particular case, it would be the same thing. We can't say, you can't have them, but we can modify the sizes.

We could also modify the location. So they can be in private right of ways, but not in public right of ways.

We can restrict them to not being on city property or the right of ways.

So I think this

is a beautification issue because of what it looks like. But the great thing is if it moves forward to the planning board, then they have some opinions. And then if it moves forward to city council, they have the ultimate opinion. So we're just making a recommendation on what we think looks beautiful or not. And I don't think it does.

JULIE So

how would we move forward then?

We would vote to pass it on to the planning board. Got it.

And then, Joe, would you work with them on the specifics of the ordinance? Or would we go? Would one of us need to go?

I can work with you. Yeah, but we can we'll have to do that together, yeah, I'm I

could do that with you. Does anyone else have any other comments or concerns?

Just that I think since Collier County does it their way and has their ordinance, I think us agreeing with them makes life easier and should not it could challenge, I suppose, or be challenged. But we usually tend to kind of go with a little bit of what they recommend.

JULIE you're still allowed to stand there holding your sign. That's your freedom of speech. It's abandoning the signs and not being there.

JULIE If you would like to make an emotion.

So I would like to make an emotion that we move forward with the recommendation from beautification to change our city ordinance to match that of Naples. And we move that to planning board.

I'd like to suggest that maybe to modify that to coincide with Naples or Collier County?

To coincide with Naples.

Okay, just Naples then. Okay.

That will be changing size then, too. Naples has a different size, smaller.

Okay. Do we have a second?

I'll second.

Okay. And second. Any further discussion on it? All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Opposed? Opposed. Opposed. Opposed. Opposed. Opposed? I'm sorry?

She opposed.

You opposed? Okay. So we have

I I abstained. I didn't I didn't say eye for eye.

Oh, okay.

Because I'm undecided.

You're not

allowed to abstain.

I really don't think you can abstain.

You have to vote. Okay.

Well, then I'll be with the eye to move forward.

Okay. So we've got four to two. Is that correct? Four to two? All right.

Thank you.

It passes. And I'm not sure of the procedure on that, Joe. If you need somebody to go in front of the planning board, I'd be happy to. Or Linda, if she would like to. When it comes on the agenda, just somebody let us know.

Yep, I will.

Maybe we can both go.

As long

as you don't discuss it outside of here.

Yes, yes. Okay, moving on. Marco Nature Knight. Anybody wanted to have discussions on that? I think we had quite a bit.

I think we talked pretty good about it last month. Yes.

Anybody wanted to have any further discussion? If not, we'll move on. Okay. Moving on to Marco and Bloom.

Marco and Bloom was very well closed out at the last meeting. No need for discussion.

Well, I'm I wanna add something to it.

Very good.

I have passed on this picture off to everybody. Mhmm. I'd like to say this is where Island Pool Service is and there's Buckle Supply.

Buckle Off Supply.

And Office Supply, yes. And if you will recall, when I brought this issue up about the parking being supposed to be hidden, this they have now put a hedge material up there. In addition, they have added two planting areas, if you'll see. I would like to see possibly that next year, Marco and Bloom, we might have a category or at least a special by the chair or somebody, a special award for somebody that has done a significant improvement to the property, commercially. I might I might not be chair because my person is not gonna be on the board anymore, council anymore.

So so it doesn't matter, but I'd like to I think this would be a good idea to encourage other people and to give these people credit for doing what they've done.

I like that idea. Maybe it doesn't have to be a full sign, but just like some sort of recognition of Some most recognition.

That's fine.

Thank you. I've made note of that.

Fun idea. My addition to the bloom. Okay. Arbor Day proclamation.

Well, I can report that, Mike, we celebrated Arbor Day on the twenty fourth, Friday the twenty fourth. And Victoria and myself and Mike Corey were there for the tree planning. And a couple of city council members were there. And Maria Lamb wrote up a great piece in The Coastal Breeze about this. And then at Monday's city council meeting, a proclamation was read, ordered I'm not sure what the right words are by the city council, because that's a requirement for Theresa, USA, that we have a Berber Day proclamation.

Anyone want to add to that discussion? I don't think it calls for anything further. Well, CEC, bald eagle placement. Oh, let me back up a little bit. Just for what it's worth, on the proclamation, I passed a copy. I made a copy of the original for everybody in the case you wanted it. No discussion necessary, but I just thought everybody might

By Teresa of the USAA, I wrote to them, and I got an email back. If the sprinkler system just waters the tree, it's covered 100%. If it's covering an area of the park, we, as a committee, would need to estimate 5% of that sprinkler went towards the tree, we could only count 5%. But the way the bubblers work, it's 100% going to the tree.

Okay. While we're on bald ego, I'd like to add go ahead. I have

a question, then. I I have noticed that on over by the butterfly garden, that there were some trees, and we have a plaque there of a previous planting. And at that time, I was involved in that, And we were told that there was going to be water brought to those trees. It was a Bay Cedar and a Lignum Bitae. And neither one of those trees have ever received a water line. So with Tree USA, could they bring a water line to those trees?

That's a gray area, because the tree already exists. Joe is a

They were planted, though, on Arbor Day. That's when they were planted.

Whom?

By the Beautification Committee. And there's a plaque there of the Beautification Committee verifying that.

They have bumblers. The two new ones have bumblers from this year and last year

we saw. This was like two years

ago. Isn't this the

one It would have been 2023 or 2024. I remember that. And that was under previous chair prior to Marvin. The team here was elected into office when they did those trees for Arbor Day, the two of them. Yes.

Are they not well established?

No, they need water. And I wondered also if they hadn't gotten sprayed also because the Lignum Vitae especially looks a little challenged. And those are a very special tree. Both of them are. What could we do about that, Joe?

I can look into pricing for that, but it would have to come out of the BAC. We have no I don't have funds for that. But I can look into funds to extend those bulbous and see if they'll work.

That'd be great.

But just remember, I know the policy from the previous setup here is that anytime the tree becomes established, they remove it so that water can be used in other locations.

Right. Right.

So I

I think that's something that could be covered in our budget just in Arbor Day. Arbor Day. Don't know what might Corey spent for Arbor Day, but we have extra funds that we could use for that.

That would be wonderful. Because they just need water, I think. That would be yeah.

Ken?

If you

could look into that, that would be great.

Yep. I absolutely will.

Joe, I'm kind of ignorant in this. Is is there somebody that monitors where these funds are and how much what our budget I know what the budget is, but where we are on towards that budget on the different items?

For the BAC? Yeah. I'm staring at it right now. I always I always look at our budget lines, so I I have it open right now. I I monitor all of our lines. So as you're doing this, I'm making sure that we have the money.

Can you make that part of our package each week? What? What's left? What you're looking at? Just, you know, just it that goes from day day one of the year, the fiscal year.

Yeah. I can give you an update to where we're at.

No. If you you're looking at it, can you make that give it to Jose and have him included in our package?

Yeah. I can figure that out. So you want a live snapshot for each each meeting that we have.

Yeah. Like we're at what

we're at? Through, you know, committing to x amount of dollars? So what's going to be would that look like next week next year or next month? I'm sorry.

GREGORY Sure. I got you. I understand.

GREGORY Okay. Thank you. GREGORY And

maybe broken down by actually spent and like promised to spend or something like that might be helpful too.

So, yeah, the way that this I mean, I can break it out however, but we have it encumbered. Okay. As soon as you promise the money, even though it hasn't spent yet, it pulls it out of the fund.

Got it. Okay. Thanks, Joe. Staff communication.

So we already talked about all of the proposals. So the only thing I have to bring up is the attendance policy that was brought up. And I know this was sent out to all the committee members that we have a policy that you can the members can only miss two meetings within their twelve month period or, you know, they could be removed from the committee. So that being said, I know that other committees cancel certain meetings because of vacations and everything else. So I would ask that you guys would consider that and maybe pull a month off during the summer or two or however once you decide just so that people don't get in trouble for that.

And I'm guilty. I'm guilty of this. I was thinking that you couldn't miss three meetings in a calendar year, but it's in twelve months. So I missed a meeting in October when I was on a cruise. And then in February when I was on cruise, I was going to zoom in, but the zoom was broken here. And I've learned that that's not inexcusable. That counts against me. And so I will not be here in July. So if you choose not to cancel the meeting, I'm fired. So I'm wondering if we could cancel or reschedule the July meeting.

And who said, because our system was broken, that that didn't qualify?

Harold. Joan,

I mean. Sorry, Joan. Joan. City clerk. Joan.

Is another alternative. There is another alternative.

Yeah, can we override that?

It has occurred in the past in another committee, another committee team, that a member had missed three meetings. And then, he petitioned back to the counselor that appointed him and the counselor did bring a motion before the city council and that person was reinstated, even though they had missed three times in a calendar year. So, there is precedence for it. It's not been used very often. But if indeed the committee elects to have a July meeting and Ms. Scherzinger cannot be part of it, that might be an approach to take to try to get Linda back on the committee for August, September.

Just to follow-up on that, I was on an ad hoc committee, and I missed three. The first one, I didn't even know I was on the So I petitioned, I said, you know, nobody noticed me. Well, didn't somebody call you? No. So they put me back on. So again you can't get back.

Be done. This just takes a little bit of perspective.

You don't wanna lose Linda.

I'll make a motion that we either we commute our July meeting to just be the August meeting and we cancel the July meeting.

Do we have a second on that?

I'll second.

We have a second. Any further discussion on eliminating the July meeting? All those in favor?

Aye.

Opposed? Anybody wanted to come anyway? Okay. Carries. No July meeting.

Mhmm. Is everyone okay with the August meeting as is? It's August 5.

Yeah. Yeah.

That one's a hard one

for you. We haven't quite got to the meeting's time, so it's time for city council communication. And we just so happen to have a couple of ladies here.

Hi, Deb Henry, Marco Island City Council. I just wanted to let you know I'm actually speaking on behalf as Deb Henry Citizen. Several years ago, I donated four trees to the 10,000 tree initiative that was happening at the time. And I'm not aware of them being planted. So I had a talk with Doctor. Lucius today. And I just wanted to let you know, more money. She is going to the foundation where all that money went to to find out how much money is in there that was donated for 10,000 trees for trees that were not planted. I did four trees at $200 a peach, I think. So there could be several thousand dollars, because I don't think my four trees are the only ones.

So she's going to get that amount, and I should be able to bring that back to you at your next meeting. Or I can let Joe know prior to your next meeting, just so that you would have more, basically, I think it would become BAC money, not

$10,000

It would be BAC money, not just Tree City. It would just be money coming to you. But I just want you guys to For be trees,

specifically for trees.

I don't think it has to be because it's part of the 10,000 tree program, not Tree City USA. But that's for you guys. But I just want to let you know there is we're going to get a total for you, so we'll have that to you. You would know that total before your next meeting, so you would have more money to be allocated to stuff.

And then Joe can add that to his report.

Yeah. So I just wanted to let you guys know so that Doctor. Lucius is looking into how much money is still in the foundation from that program. And

from what I understand, that money has been that was donated a couple of years ago. That is not money that expires on ninethirty like our budget does. So if we were to, say, get let's say Doctor. Lucius finds out there's $2,000 or $3,000 worth of trees in there, we don't have to hurry up and spend that by September 30, because that's part of the foundation.

Yeah, because it's not a budget

item. It's a time and figure out the right place

for Wait a minute. It is being transferred into BAC, then it is part of

our We wouldn't transfer it in until we're ready

for We would just wait until it's time. I think the key factor is finding out the total, because it could be the money that could buy some of the things on the wish list. But I just wanted to let you know, we found some money, we'll let you know how much.

Thank you very much.

You. Binding money is always good. So

It's nice and safely protected for that, which is good.

I'm

good. We're good that you're good. Yeah. Okay. Public comment. Do we have any public? Are you public?

We have no registered speakers for this portion of the meeting. Okay.

Might go down in history as our shortest and most expensive meeting ever.

I didn't think yet.

Didn't get a chance to jump in before we moved to counselors. I had a few questions for Joe. On Leland Way, it came in much less expensive than I thought. Were those still the 45 gallon trees with Affordable?

They were not. They were 25 gallon because we decided that 25 was going to be the standard moving forward. Al recommended that as well.

Okay. And then you talked about the bubbler on the tree. Once the tree is established, it's turned off. I've checked, and I need to give it an update on this, on the Collins tree, the Apollo eleven astronaut. It is not thriving. And I was gonna email you and say, will you do a wellness check on that bubbler? But maybe it's actually been turned off.

It hasn't been long enough for that. And that's in, like, a pretty active area. Yeah. I nobody's asked me if they can turn it off yet, so it should still be on. But I will check.

Oh, thank you. Then okay. I'll bring this up at the next section where you talk about agenda items.

Okay. Next meeting, I think it's scheduled for the twelfth. Is that correct?

June 12?

Friday, June 12.

Yeah. Was suggested Martin suggested we move it up to the third, the first Wednesday, which is typically when we meet.

I thought there was a problem with that date, that's why we couldn't

do it. Apparently, there isn't. So Okay. Martin, are you you want to clarify, please? There you go. What's that? Wednesday the third fine.

Wednesday the is

fine.

Wednesday the third is fine, which is

That works for me.

Would be typical of ours meeting time anyway.

May not

see the third.

I'll make that motion.

Okay. I'll second it. Excellent. Okay. Any further discussion on it? All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Victoria, you wanted to add some things for next month?

Yes. Another discussion on the Collins tree and the dedication. I want some advice on how to move forward. The family was never able to commit with a thirty days notice, so I didn't move forward. I did reach out to them about when the Artemis was going be launched, thinking that would be a nice timing. That did not work. And then his birthday is in July. That could be a possibility. And the anniversary of his flight for Apollo eleven was October 31. So those are some options that they haven't responded to, and maybe they're just not able to, for personal reasons, to give much notice.

So we'll have to discuss, do we just pick a date next season and leave it? So we'll think about that and have that discussion.

Well, if the anniversary of the flight was in October, that would be, I would think, more appropriate.

October 31. Yeah. We could be affected by hurricane season, but their his daughters still own his home, and they're here during season. We were trying to be inclusive and have some family members here. So So we'll have to decide if we think it's just gotta get it done, or do we try to wait for next season when they might be here?

Might I suggest that you try and keep in communication? And when they are available, let's find a date then.

Yes. Their availability thirty days out is the trouble, and that is the amount of time I need to go to Parks And Rec and do the special request for an activity at a park. They haven't been able to give me thirty days at any time. So we will keep trying.

Why they need to give you thirty days? Why do you need to give them thirty days to go have

three? The special events at a park.

Inclusive is that going to be? Well,

think I would publicize it and invite the community and possibly veterans and other things.

That

would be nice. That would be a nice event.

That's the whole idea, yeah. Not just to do it with them, but

Got it. Okay.

Also, towards that same topic, I citizen recommending another one of these types of trees for someone who was a famous baseball player who at one time lived on our island. And in my mind, I just thought, oh, Victoria's gone through so much work and is not being appreciated. So is this something that we want to get in the business of? But maybe we can talk about that. Certainly.

Okay. And also, his birthday was on October 31.

Yes.

Okay. I thought you said I'm sorry.

I think his birthday is July. And the flight was October 31.

JACKIE The

flight was 07/20/1969.

I got him

in phone. FAHERTY: looked it up really quick because I was like, that sounds very wrong. So yeah, July was the flight. And then his birthday would be October 31.

Yeah. Okay. All right.

I think oh, I have it written here October 31. I must have said it wrong when we went back to it.

So I mean, if we are unable to fully contact the family and make sure that they're there, I think July 20 would be really nice. But if not, birthday kind of both are

It also can be extremely weather issue, issue, either heat or hurricane or whatever, DELL: in July, too.

I just imagine that October 31, there's going to be other things going on that might distract from an event.

JULIE if we're doing July 21, we would have to decide that now so I could do the application, get it in, and let them know. I hate to push it without them saying they can be here.

Right. Since I have a question. Since we're ready, except we have to notify, why don't we ask them for their best date?

A date, yeah.

I have. They cannot give me a date thirty days out.

That's what

I'm saying. This has been an awful lot of work for unappreciated

They seem to be very touched Yes. And guess, right? And I don't know what the circumstances are, why they can't commit. Is it personal, medical? I don't know. So I'll just keep idea. Staying in contact.

JACK The closest full moon to Michael Collins' birthday would be October 25. I just think that that would be a nice day to do it because it keeps it off of Halloween and then puts it very close to his birthday and also puts it in season out of the bad weather time. So just another idea. October 25 could be a day.

Apparently, we haven't come up with an answer I

know. I'm just Let's

just keep

staying in touch and see. Thank you for doing that.

I would suggest that by the September meeting, we make something definite.

Okay.

Okay.

I'll get to work on that.

Okay. This Sunday, by the way.

Any other committee communications? Anybody have anything?

I would just like to say, Justin and I Justin from Beach Advisory Committee and I are meeting after this meeting. We were attempting to meet for several months. And his schedule just didn't want it. And then Beach Advisory came in last month and gave the presentation. So we are both feeling that there's more that we're going to work with, the two committees. Am I right on that? And if so, we are both liaisons in a way for that. So we'll meet if anyone wanted to come. Or should I be on the agenda for next DAY: month to talk about what we talked about?

How did come to your meeting?

I went to their meeting. And I told them what was going on. And if they wanted to see the schematics and that sort of thing about what was being presented, that they could get they could review it on the review of our meeting because they would have what Kimberly Horne presented. So I think that's did they get in touch with you, Joe, and ask for

They did. They actually wanted the presentation. But when I got it, it was too large to send. So I'm still kinda working on that.

Okay. Alright. Because I told them that that's where they could find it, but I didn't know whether they could But

I think what Anne's talking about is different. So this is one specific component, which is the wall that could have murals or QR codes or educational materials that we said Beautification and Beach and Coastal could work together to come up with recommendations for what that could look like.

Yes. So we are still planning on doing that. Am I correct? And then he and I will touch on it.

Do you need input from the committee before you go? Because this is the time we can speak about it.

Yes. It's the first meeting. I'm meeting with him. So I haven't even gotten there yet to know what the questions or what the ideas. But you can give me information at this point, or

I think also maybe work with Joe to find out, like, what's your deadline? And what are they expecting of you? Like, when are you do you have

to give them actual artwork?

Are you just giving them ideas? Like, I don't know. We don't know these things. I don't know. It's the

first time I'm meeting up.

But I don't he probably doesn't know either. But but I would I would talk to Joe. Okay.

I forgot to bring something up. Bald Eagle is getting Joe, are you familiar with what the date or the target date is for the redo of Bald Eagle from Collier to San Marco?

Not right now. No.

Okay. I think it's either next year, next fiscal year, or the following. And they're going to have I think it's a 10 foot would you like to speak to it?

No. You tell a story. I amazing news for you. May I?

Yeah. Please, be amazing.

I love hearing amazing news.

There is $18,762 for the BAC in the ten thousand Tree Fund.

Praise the Lord. Wow. That's a very nice number.

And I just got permission to tell you. Oh, Okay. So there's $18,000

Super.

So people

Everyone gets a tree.

People have donated money to that 10,000 trees. And after David left, the program fizzled. And we had Julie, who was working on a little bit. It kind of fizzled.

We need somebody to

check Okay. That out. So this is as it's breaking, you probably can't withdraw all of it because the accountant has to have some balance until, I guess, what's determined to do. But you can and should use it for trees.

Okay. Something to discuss on the next

Talk about

trees. MARCO. About

that. Thank you. Continue. Thank you

very much.

You don't have to apologize for telling us we have $18,000 to spend. And then it's In our

left. Next meeting, when we talk about this, if we have everybody here, that we appoint someone to be in charge of that.

JACKIE Definitely. To have this. It's a lot of money.

Now, also, there's no specific rules on what can and can't be spent using the 10,000 trees money. That could be, since we're much more restrictive with Tree City USA money for, bubblers for already established trees, like the ones that we were talking about in Calusa Park. Because the 10,000 trees, it's like, use this for trees. That would be used for trees. It wouldn't be planting new trees, but it would be making sure the trees we already have stay maintained.

I would think we would need to have a conversation with David Leeser and or the Parks Foundation to understand what when people donated money, what their expectation? What they told this was going to be spent on?

I would be fine reaching out to David and seeing exactly what the intention was and if there's any specific rules that need to be followed or if there are guidelines that might be able to be stretched a little bit to see if there's a very specific need if that can be done. Because we know at the very least from what counselor Henry just said was that that is from money she donated. That is money that we can use. So we know there may be some

SHARFSTEIN:

goalposts that could be shifted a little bit, not as strictly as Teresa of The USA. But still, I can reach out to David and get like a

And the

other part of it might be, since this has come to light, is the shaping of these butchered trees on Bald Eagle. Yeah. Yeah. I'm on Bald Eagle. Let me finish. There is going to be I believe it's a 10 foot bike pedestrian path that's gonna run from Collier down Bald Eagle to San Marco.

Both sides or

Just one side. Which side? No? On the west side.

Is the west side the side that has the utilities? No, that's the east side.

That's the east side.

So they're putting the bike path on the side with the water.

What do you mean with the water?

JAMES Normally, a lot of the streets I don't know about Bald Eagle. But on a lot of the streets, either there's electrical wires on this side or there's water in sewer on the ground on the other side. But just

on Heathwood. And that wasn't a general rule. That was just

GREGORY Let me finish where

I'm DELL: Go ahead.

The plan is not only to do that, but to widen the road as well. I talked to Justin on this. And I said, this came up at our meeting wondering about the possibility of medians or islands of medians, if you will. And he said that would be a great idea. And he told me what was going about to happen.

He said, however, that would add quite a bit to the budget. But I'm wondering if before it's done, it will never be done if it isn't part of the original rebuild of Bald Eagle. So I think what I'd like us to do is kind of look at that a little bit and see what we think about that possibility just driving up back and forth. Because you'll see that there's some areas PAUL: that just have marks RAYMOND Boston. No driving in this area.

And those would be ideal for some landscape islands, which would need and that would also eliminate well, it shouldn't eliminate. However, it would be a trade off on not being able to plant trees under the utility. Right. So kind of check that out. And next meeting, we'll talk more about it. And I'll bring some plans. I've asked Justin for them. I've got the actually, I think it's 62 pages. I didn't print it all out. But to give you an idea, we can put it up on the screen so we can talk about it.

Do we have some sort of deadline of when they're going to I have

no idea. This all just transpired in the last few days that I've got this and been able to look at it and measure the width of the highways or the roadway.

Got it.

Cool. Okay. Yeah. Okay. That thing that you was?

A different topic when you're done.

Rhonda, you had your button down, or did you just hit it by mistake?

I don't know how that happened.

Okay. Victoria?

Yeah. I wanna just do a little more discussion with Joe on Leland Way. I gave you a markup. Do you know if those locations worked or do I need to be looking further?

So Bart said that we would just if it got approved, we would go out there and kinda locate where those spots could be. So we'll put them in the best spots that we can closest to where you had told us to put them.

Alright. And then the Royal Poinsettia, I was hoping for it to be on the corner where the intersection Street is. I don't know what the name of that street is. Let me see if I get my readers, if I can read that. It's covered with something.

I can't read it. Sorry.

Joe, if I can Go ahead. Joe, before that gets happening, can you contact Victoria so she can clarify that? I don't know when the planning is gonna take place.

She you want me to have her clarify the locations of the trees that she likes? Like, I can have them marked. You can go and check them and just say, that's where I want this tree.

Yeah. Yeah. So, it's Yarmouth is the intersecting street and one of the homes has a sprinkler. And if we had it at the corner of the Royal Pointe gets bigger, it would be a nice location. And then several of the places where we are planting, except for one which we may skip, they do have grass. And they are probably irrigating that grass because it looks good. So if it's private property, are we able to add bubblers with some of our expense?

No. To my knowledge, no.

Alright.

What you asking whether whether the people could run off of their system?

Yeah. I

think you could ask.

I can ask and find out, get clarification. From mean, Jim, have you ever heard of anybody putting bubblers into a private?

Not as part of a project for the committee that I'm aware of, no. Well,

some people have run sprinklers from their property over into cul de sacs, too.

Yeah, but privately, that's done privately, right? I mean, they voluntarily do that.

Yeah, well, that's what I'm saying. If we asked somebody and they volunteered to be able to run a bubbler off of their system.

You know, that's an interesting question because I know with public works that have very big concerns about people planting things in public right of ways without permitting and the city being involved. So I'm not sure about the addition of irrigation into areas that would affect public property versus private, you know?

Unless it's already in the swale, you couldn't afford it. You'd have to go under the sidewalk. But they're 40 foot swale, so I imagine when they built homes, they put the irrigation under it, and it's there. I didn't know if I got permission from a homeowner if the city would let us use money and do it.

I'll get clarification.

Thank you.

Any further?

Since Councilor Gray had donated $4,000 for trees, do you want to look for another place to spend another $1,000 or would he be amenable to us lumping that into our overall budget?

I think he'd be fine with us lumping it in, but if it ends up being bubblers or something. Otherwise, how do I water some of those trees to help them get started? Because you said the watering truck is full?

Just they don't have the ability to take any other, locations on.

So the closest water source for me to get a bucket is Mackle. Is there a water fountain there I have access to or a spigot?

There is. You'd have to have city staff open it up for you, though, because it's a water key.

Each time.

Yeah.

Ryan, how did you water trees along Heathwood that were not in your yard?

I bought a watering can, and I walked. So I would spend a morning and walk for about forty minutes back and forth to each tree.

One thing that you could do maybe is purchase at Publix five gallon water things. Fill them up at your house.

Then Drive carefully.

Drive over there. I don't know.

I'd rather fill it at Mackle. But yeah. And I'll knock on doors and ask the homeowners if they would water it. Absolutely.

That's what we did for the trees in Plumber Park. I'm an abutting neighbor, and I brought water. And then the garden club brings water when they're establishing them.

Well, it would be nice to know if the city would allow us, should somebody else so would a resident allow us to tap into their system, that it would be nice to know if the city would allow us to do that with their permission.

I think we shouldn't put trees in those spots where they don't have a sprinkler system. If they have a sprinkler system, then their sprinkler system would water the tree.

Right. Automatically.

But it's not enough to make it thrive when it starts, because it's just going to be the spray. It's intending to hit grass. A bubbler is a whole different thing. It gets it right to the roots. That's true.

Okay. We all done? I'm happy. We're done. Thank you. We adjourn.