Audit Advisory Committee - Regular Meeting

Hello, everyone, and welcome to today's meeting of the Hideaway Beach Tax District Board. Tara, could you call the roll, please? Member Barto?

Here.

Member Zinkin? Vice chair DeLaughter?

Here.

Member Ramirez? Here. Chair Ryan? Here. Okay. We'll do the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of The United States Of America.

The United States Of America.

The republic for which it stands, one nation under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Before we turn to approval of the agenda, I think we have John Barto and also David Tulsas online. Is that correct, David?

Good afternoon. Happy holidays, everybody.

Good to be

Okay. That's correct.

I need a motion to approve the remote participants and particularly for John Bardo to be able to to vote as part of this meeting.

So moved.

I second. All in favor? Aye. Okay. Thank you. Moving on to approval of the agenda. Does anyone have any changes they would like to make to today's agenda?

I do not.

Okay. Then we'll need a motion to approve then.

I will I'll make a motion to approve the agenda.

Second.

I'll second it.

All in favor? Aye.

Aye.

Okay. Next, our approval of the minutes of the November 20 meeting. Are there any changes anyone would like to make to the minutes as presented?

I'd like a motion that we approve the minutes as written.

Second. All in favor? Aye.

Aye. Alright. Turning to old business now. We needed to take a look at our meeting schedule.

I believe we've approved all of it with the exception of our meeting where we will set the mill rate, which needs to occur preferably before the July 1. And after the June 1 when we get the property values. I think the challenge we're having is there's a couple of weeks where we could do this when both Phyllis Ramirez and I are in town, and any other week is not available from the city point of view. So the date that we're we're really honing in on is June 30. And so I need one other board member to commit to make a June 30 at 2PM meeting.

John, is that something that you can make?

Linda, I'm not finalizing I don't have my calendar finalized yet. I I think I can, but if I give you my commitment and I have to change it, then you're gonna have a problem.

Yeah. What's really that week is really the only week we can do the mid meeting because the other weeks that Phyllis and I are available, the city does not have a room for us. So it could change from the

thirtieth maybe to the third. Linda, if it's the thirtieth, you put me down, then I'll be there. Okay. But I just wanna caveat that that there might be a last minute change. That's all. At this point, right today, I'm available.

Okay. Okay. That would that would be great, John. Thank you very much.

Thank you, John. That's June June 30 of 01:30?

It's gonna be 02:00 because of an earlier meeting the city has. So 2PM on June 30. So we'll confirm that.

I'll I'll put it in my calendar.

Thank you, John. I appreciate it. Okay. And then the rest of the meetings are as we discussed at the last meeting, so I think we're good with that. So do we need Justin, do we need a do we have to make a motion to approve that, or we're we're good as is?

No motion needed.

Okay. Alright. Then moving on to the next item. Item 6b is the Hideaway Beach erosion control permit renewal process. And that will be Michael Poth from Coastal Engineering Consultants.

Good morning. For the record, Michael Poff, Coastal Engineering. So per the discussions we've had at the board that with our permits expiring in December 2027, We want to go ahead and kick off the applications to give the federal government and the processes enough time so that we can line everything up. So when the existing permit expires, the new permits will be issued in hand. So we put together a detailed scope of work.

We broke it down by all the different tasks that are needed for all the different elements that are needed. So our existing borrow areas include the near shore borrow area, the up shore borrow area and the Cartier Creek Channel. We have our beach fill areas and disposal area on Hideaway Beach. Also on Sandar Island as part of the Tiger Tail restoration project. There's the upshoal bar area where we can place excess fill out there. And then in 2016, we used the Marker Gulf Front Central Beach in partnership with Collier County.

Question on the expanded Epshall Borrow area as presented in the current open permit mod from the county on Collier Creek?

Yes.

Okay. Correct. Thank

you. And then the existing permit includes these following activities, and we'll include them in the next application, which is your hot spot maintenance, filling scour holes around the T groins, transferring sand from an accreted area to an eroded area, along hideaway to repair the T groins to the original design function, and then a temporary stockpile at the construction access in between the single family homes and the 1,000 building. And in the proposed activity we discussed that really won't address any challenges in the permitting is to do dune modifications or the life of the permit. That's a very simple thing to add. And so we recommend that for this particular application. It won't delay anything.

Okay. Is there a particular elevation that you're proposing or maximum elevation that you're proposing there?

We had talked about a maximum of eight and then going up in increments over time.

Right. So it's not that we would go to eight, but we would just do a little

bit up to eight is what it'll say.

Okay.

So.

And I see you adding native vegetation as well.

And if we wanna plant additional plants.

Okay.

Correct.

And as we had discussed previously, we're not putting any other structures or modification of our current structures in the permit renewal.

Correct.

Some because we couldn't get permitted now, some because we're not sure we need it, and it would delay the permit timeline. Right?

Correct. The one on the very north end, that modification would probably not delay the time frame, but we don't believe we'll need it once Carter County implements their plan. So it makes sense to wait and watch and monitor. And then if for some reason it does not go through, you could apply for a modification to the existing permit for that minor work. Or if it's during the permit process, and we want to add it, we'll vet the agencies to see if we can add it without changing the time frame.

Okay. Okay. Good. Good.

So the first task is our pre application conferences that will allow us to present basically the information we presented to you over the last few meetings, remind everybody about what's in the current permit, refresh everything, and make sure that we've basically documented all the things that they're looking for in the upcoming applications. And then we need to update the environmental assessment. So there's been a lot of threatened and endangered species that have been listed since the original application. So we'll go ahead and refresh all the environmental documents to include all of the different listed species.

Has the county gone ahead and decided to complete their part of the work at this point?

They're still waiting on their federal permit. And then the actual applications, we'll submit them with all the different documents. The Corps of Engineers has their own form now. So we will submit basically all the attachments are very similar, but the applications themselves have different items and different things to address. And then task two is the permit process by which they're gonna ask their questions. We're gonna respond. We have budget for two responses for each agency. Then, of course, ongoing communications. If you want me to attend meetings, come here for these meetings, different stakeholder meetings, whatever you might need us for. And then it's nice to have an allowance and contingency if things pop up.

If something happens, if there's a storm event or something happens, we need to do an extra survey or a new species gets listed and we need to do a different environmental assessment, those kind of things. You have a budget established. It's basically 10% of the overall budget is what we recommend for a contingency. So ultimately, the bottom line is $124,840 of which the of course, the upfront cost is the majority of it. And then everything else will be time and materials.

So we would review these things with you on a routine basis. We'll be here at the meetings presenting our status as things go along and let you know how things are progressing. Now this is a multiyear effort. And so I don't know if there's any way with the city to issue this and then not have to reissue every year. I don't know, Justin, if that's something that but I mean, this is probably a two and onetwo year process. Or basically, we do what we've been doing, which is come September, we would do a bill and then we would have to give you a new work order for the balance in October come before the Board.

Yes. What drives that is use of operating funds rather than capital. So if it's operating funds, they expire every year.

So basically, come October we will come back and have you read this again for the balance. Okay.

I don't know if you were, have, have, had seen the report from another gentleman about the problems that they are having with the boats not getting through in the channel area. They are recommending that we move some of the sand into an area which should be a surplus for us. Don't if that's something you want to do or not, I know anything about it. There's they're having trouble with boats getting through the main channel.

Oh, that's a different agenda item today. We're talking about that today.

Yeah. I think we'll talk about that when we get to that agenda.

That will be a separate permit. That's the Tiger permit that will be modified, not this one. Okay. So

One of the question that came up, you know, there's been talk about expanding, let's say, laterally east west, the nearshore burrow area. And in the past, we've said we couldn't do that because there were too much seagrasses between the current nearshore burrow area and the Sand Dollar Spit. Is that still the case? Is that something, we could do either part as part of this, process now or as a modification later?

I had not seen the 2025 survey to to be able to answer that question today. I'd have to look at it and see and talk to Mohammad and Muriel about what changes. But anytime you introduce a change, you could introduce a different assessment. They may say, what's a justification statement for it? And so I'm not sure what the justification statement would be. There's enough sand in the bar area to address the beach fill needs. We have to document why we want to dredge into that area.

Enough sand in the off offshore borrow area. But you told me there currently isn't enough sand in the near shore borrow area, right?

I think for the design template for the beach fill and to the overdredge of the borrow area, I believe it's pretty close. And it infills every year. So by the time we go to dredge in 2027 or 2026, I think it'll be pretty close. But we don't know what storms So are going to again, you'd have to justify. And we also have Collier Creek. So between the near shore bar area and Collier Creek, I think you would show a surplus.

Okay. But just something to keep in the back of your mind if that's something that made sense in the future. We should take a look at that.

Okay.

And particularly after we see the latest seagrass survey.

Sure.

See whether it's even possible because in the past, it has not been.

Correct. And I would be surprised even if the seagrass survey shows a decline, they're going to say it's still habitat for seagrasses.

Right.

Maybe after three years of no persistent seagrass, they might let you.

Yes.

So I wouldn't think we'd have it available for 2627.

Okay. All right. Thank you.

You're welcome.

Anything else you want to say on this? Any other questions that you guys have for Michael? Okay. No, I think this is very thorough, and we look forward to proceeding with this work. And I see that the total on your spreadsheet on the next page is the 124,840. Does anyone want to make a motion on this?

I'll make a motion that we approve the funding for the next year.

I'll second. Okay. So this is the funding for the highway beach erosion control permit proposal and work. Okay? All in favor?

Aye.

Aye. Any opposed? Okay. The motion passes unanimously. Thank you, Michael.

Thank you.

All right. All right. The next item up is the financial report as of November 30. Our treasurer, Steve Zinken, is traveling today, so I will cover this for him. There are a couple of key things that happened in the month of November.

The first of which was that we received $618,881 in reimbursement for the work we did earlier this year to recover the Sand Dollar spit in the lagoon from the twenty twenty four hurricanes, and that's from TDC grant from Collier County. And so you see that in a line item under revenues. So we were anticipating that, and I'm happy to see that it actually has been received by the city and reflected in our statement. The second thing is we got our first batch of ad valorem property taxes in, in the amount of 644,630. And that's 44% of our annual budget.

And last year, we only had 30% of our annual budget at this point in the year. So that's good. When you look at cash on hand, with the county money, I expected we'd be about $2,000,000 in cash on hand at the start of the year. But now we're a couple months in, and we have the property taxes in plus some open purchase orders we have to subtract. So our available cash at this point in time is $2,526,949 which I think puts us in a good spot as we go through this year.

And then we'll be looking for our treasurer to put together a two year budget to help us plan for our potential project in 2027. So any questions on the financials?

I do not.

No? Okay. All right. So we'll move on to the next item, which is a presentation by Dan Hai, Vice Chair.

Linda, I'm sorry. I I was on mute. I have a question on the financials.

Okay. Go ahead.

But I if it could wait till next month, really. I'm just looking at open POs.

Yep.

And I'm looking at our budget and the titles of our budget. We have beach raking, and we have repairs and maintenance.

Yep.

I was always under the impression repairs and maintenance was for the beach.

Mhmm.

And beach raking was a separate item that now we signed the contract with Hideaway, and I'm under the impression I didn't read the contract, only from the last meeting, that the repairs and maintenance of the tractor are gonna be charged in this new contract. So my thing is, shouldn't that be under beach raking? Because I see repairs and maintenance with Hideaway Beach Association, and we'd, like, have two different accounts for Hideaway Beach, beach raking Yeah. And repairs and maintenance.

That's really a a city a city accounting question, John. The beach raking Okay. Line is for the performance of the beach raking, and the amount on that line is going to need to change. And, hopefully, Steve will work with the city to adjust that next month because the the the cost to us

wait till next month. Right.

Going up.

I just thought there was a little con I just thought there was a little contradiction in those two titles. That's all.

Yeah. The I think anything that is repair and maintenance has to go in the repair and maintenance line item. But, Justin, is that something you can clarify with finance or you know the answer to?

Well, I think you're right. And if it's repair and maintenance, it goes in that repair and maintenance line item. The beach raking is for raking. Right.

So any repairs to tractor?

But in in the contract, Justin, now from what I understand, they're gonna perform the maintenance on the tractor. Shouldn't that be all under the same under just the subtitle under Beach Rating?

Well, you can have two different accounts that fund items in a contract. So it's just

but I I agree with you on that. All I'm saying for clarification in the future, it's easy to go back and look up if you had it under the Beach raking account and that contract.

So then I would say in the future, change it from saying beach raking to call it beach raking and tractor maintenance. A a different Okay.

Well, let's talk about that next month then. Okay?

And that's something from a

I don't think it's a big deal. I I'm just looking at this, what you sent me, and it just don't make sense that it's separated in a different account, really.

Okay. Right. If, we'll have, at the next meeting, we can have Steve confirm that with Citi Finance that they can modify that to beach raking and maintenance and put the tractor maintenance in that line item if that's what the board prefers. So we'll have a discussion on that in January. If you could, Tara, add that to our January meeting list. Okay. Anything else, John?

Thanks, Ulysses. No. Thanks, Ulysses.

Okay. Okay. So next up is under new business. We have Dan High here who is vice chair of the waterways advisory committee, which is one of the main advisory committees of the city of Marco Island. Dan is also general manager of Rose Marina, and he's also fairly new on the Collier County Coastal Advisory Committee. So he's a man we wanna get to know, and we invited him here to share some work that he has been doing on the waterways committee. Committee. Thank you, Dan.

Thank you, Chair Ryan, and thank you, everybody, for having me here. We have been discussing amongst our priorities on the Waterways Advisory Committee navigation safety. And the Big Marco Pass is one of the key items that we've been talking about. And for almost five years now, it's kind of been a hotspot for navigation. And I personally, through my job, have been in contact with a lot of people, you know, navigating the area.

And we've had several incidents of groundings in an ongoing effort to to try to help people get through the Big Marco Pass. So in an effort to understand the pass and specifically the sand, I, through contacts of the Coastal Advisory Committee and through director Martin, city of Marquana Public Works, I was put in touch with a team from the DEP. And over the summer, we had a a meeting with the city of Mark Wyland, Collier County Coastal Zone Management, and the DEP, and and doctor De Beas from Humiston Moore. The all these resources kinda contributed to my white paper that I gen I eventually felt was needed to be presented to the community because we've been kicking around what to do with the past for a long time. And the white paper that is on your agenda that I'm happy to present or I can summarize.

Last I timed myself, it was twelve minutes, so I don't know if you want the full thing. But the Waterways Advisory Committee voted seven to zero in favor to adopt my motion, which I made at the end of the white paper. So in a nutshell, I was guided through this process, through all these professionals to realize that one way to immediately or more, expeditiously address the shoaling areas in the Marco Pass is not to go down a new road of dredging permits and a whole navigation or inlet management plan, which is expensive long road rather to use existing permits that are in the neighborhood to as a vehicle to get the the hot spots taken care of, the shallow areas dredged or knocked down and use that sand elsewhere. And that's where I was informed about the the hideaway beach. It's a long name.

The, Tiger Tail Lagoon Sand Dollars Island Ecosystem Restoration Permit. And that was the the path of, the path that was proposed to to follow, which would that permit would need a slight modification to allow dredging or to allow the borrow area, the offshore borrow area to be expanded, which just coincidentally would expand into the problem areas in the Big Marco Pass. So modifying the permit to expand the borrow area to be in line with these these problem areas would address navigation safety for all Mariners coming and going from Marco Island and also provide a source of beach quality sand for beach or berm renourishment projects. So the the white paper see if I can just click through here a couple couple highlights. I've been I've been living and working on Marco Island for fifteen years.

All fifteen years have been at the marina. I've seen the the past change in those fifteen years. But historically, going back, this picture is the 1877 survey of Marco Island. And the top left area circled is the Big Marco Pass. And really interestingly, as you can see, Sea Oat Island, coming down, from the north of Big Marco Pass.

And, that was a tremendous, protection feature for the island, as far as storm surge. But, over the years and, you know, I I understand I'm preaching to the choir here. You guys know the past more than myself and more than most community members. So excuse the redundancy of some of these some of these things. And and please clarify if you if I go astray here.

But in the nineteen sixties, Sea Oat Island uh-oh. Did I go too far? Okay. Sea Oat Island, there it is, started to breach. Then over the years, Sea Oat Island the the southern tip of Sea Oat Island disappeared, and that's when the past really started its period of instability.

But for a hundred and fifty years, we've had that that protection of of Sea Oat Island. That's really a side note. But I bring it up because that's where Capri Pass that's how Capri Pass was named. That's when Sea Island was, transected. But ever since 2005, we've had several hurricanes, and the past has changed dramatically us in those in the last twenty years.

So I've looked at all the things that I thought would help manage this this area. And specifically the big the inlet management plan program. And to me, that sounds like exactly what we need for Marco for Big Marco Pass. But in talking with the DEP, they indicated that that really isn't that that is an option. But it's like a five year process, half $1,000,000 in permitting, and, you know, we'd be waiting for a long time to see any action. So that's where I was educated about hopping onto an existing permit with a modification.

So,

again, I'm just jumping around here so you don't have to read the whole thing. But this this my involvement started in February 2021. So that's how long I've been vocal about the Big Marco Pass shoaling conditions. And that's when we had a 85 foot vessel that ran aground in the Mark Channel. And that was the second grounding in the same location in in a day's time.

We had several groundings happening. One grounding ejected people off the boat and someone had to be medevaced out. So finally got the attention of the coast guard, and they moved the navigational channel south several 100 yards in the deepest water. And that was on 07/26/2023. That helped immediately.

But at mean low tide out there, we still have less than eight feet of water in two specific locations in the Big Marco Pass. And while that sounds like a lot of water for most center console or small boats, it doesn't cut it for sailboats or deep draft deep draft vessels. Additionally, that eight feet, when you have a sailboat and you are in wave condition, you get you start to lose you can lose up to two feet of draft. So we've had several boats come to our marina for repairs because they they they bottomed out. This is also the we had a sea towboat that was capsized while it was towing a sailboat through the area.

The keel struck the shoal and, the towboat flipped. And the operator of the towboat survived, but it was it was a close call. So I've been watching this for almost five years and being very vocal about it. It's through the the interest and the, I'd say, community mindedness of doctor De Beas that he heard my appeals to what we can do, and he led me to this conversation with all the the the people and the people with, I'd say, authority in our area, are Coastal Zone Management, City of Marco Public Works, and the DEP. And in a call with that group, a permit modification was discussed of the Tiger Tail, Lagoon ecosystem and berm project and the DEP of all the options that we could do to to pursue the navigation issues.

The DEP was extremely supportive of this permit modification. So, and according to doctor De Bees, it would be, you know, a fraction of the cost of going down a, inlet management plan path. The inlet management plan does have benefits, but, again, it's a it's a long process and no guarantees. So the immediate solution was recommended by all these professionals to be to ask the city of Mark Wilde and public works department to modify their existing dredging permit associated with the Tiger Tiger Tail Lagoon sand Dollar Island ecosystem restoration permit to add the navigation channel dredging to the authorized borough area adjacent to the adjacent to the navigational channel. A permit modification would have to be requested from the city of Marco Island to the engineers of record for that permit.

The cost of the permit modification would be driven by geotechnical analysis of the sand in that area and other professional fees. The all in cost for this permit modification were estimated to be between 85 and 95,000. The city of Mark Wyand public works director can then follow its procurement process to get the permit modification request submitted to the state. And and ultimately, I I believe the the permit modification and the dredging of these two hot spots should be funded through TDC funds, of which I would I would be a a supporter of that. That meeting we had with the DEP and all the coastal protection beaches, inlets, and ports group, the city of Markle Island, and Collier County Coastal Zone was on September 25.

And this is what the extended borrow area would look like. The box to the above the center line of the navigational channel is where your current permit allows you to take sand from. And the this new box below that would be the the expanded area. And, all these professionals agreed that that expanded area falls within all of the archaeological surveys that were done and everything that was previously done in the original permit. So it's just fortunate that that area would would encompass encompass these two hot spots out there.

So that's that's the the summary of the white paper and my motion that I made, and I'll just read it for

you that

was unanimously approved by the waterways committee was to recommend a request for the city to modify the Tiger Tail Lagoon Sand Dollar Island ecosystem restoration permit to include maintenance dredging of Capri Big Marco Pass navigational channel and placement of the beach compatible sand on the authorized disposal area on Sand Dollar Island Berm. And that was approved seven to zero. The path forward will be for us to present to city council, a summary of this and then to begin the process to oh, I'll see what they say. Hopefully, they agree with with the modification. And, whether we go through the CAC to the TDC for funding for the permit modification or another path for the funds for the permit modification has yet to be discussed.

But that would secure this additional borrow area as just another mechanism to quickly address the navigational issues and provide another source of beach compatible sand for the authorized disposal areas or authorized placement areas. Thank you for your time. Can I answer any questions?

One comment I'll make just to make sure everyone on my board understands. The expansion of the borrow area he's showing here is already under request in the permit modification that Collier County has before the US Army Corps of Engineers as part of the Hideaway Beach erosion control permit. So this is essentially taking the same extension that's already under permitting on the Hideaway permit and saying, we wanna put that extension on the Tiger Tail Lagoon Sand Dollar permit, which we probably would have wanted to do anyways. And what he's saying is that, you know, he has a need from a navigation standpoint to do this. So and it it and it aligns with the other permit.

So it it makes it makes a lot of sense. It provides another source of sand for the disposal areas, which is good from our point of view. So, you know, this seems to to make sense. And, you know, I think the key thing here is going through the process through the coastal advisory committee once the city council approves, going through the process through the coastal advisory committee and the TTC to the board of county commissioners for the funding for this.

Madam chair?

Yes.

Hi. David Tulsas, board attorney. I my only concern is that we just need to make sure that we stay focused on beach renourishment with respect to Hideaway Beach tax district funds.

Right.

To the extent that there's funding or anything related to navigation of the Big Marco Pass, that would be something that I would want to review from a legal perspective Right. Because we are dealing with public tax dollars, and I just want to make sure that they are segregated to pay for what the district is authorized to pay for.

Thank you. That's a good point. It's not my intent to pay for this. I'm as Dan said that this would have to go to the county for funding.

I just I just wanted to put that on the record. So I appreciate your your connection to our existing permit applications. Right. But we just need to make sure that we are mindful of what our tax revenue is to be utilized for.

Right. I appreciate that, David. And the process on this is going to go entirely through the public works department of the city. It is a city permit. We don't own that permit. And then from the city to the county for for funding. So today is primarily an FYI for us to know that this work is going on because it relates to a permit that we use as well. But I appreciate your comment that this is not an area that we would be funding from a tax district point of view.

Correct. Thank you.

Okay. Does anyone have any questions for Dan?

I just think that you did a great job. I I read your article. I thought you did a wonderful job, explaining what's happening. And I think that, we did there's no question for what Mark Lyle needs to do something about making the navigational channel clear. We've got two boats that or more than that, we have two big boats that went went on ground and are inside the navigational channel. There's something wrong and we need to get that corrected as soon as possible. And I I I agree with you 100% that we need to get that done.

Right.

I don't think that it has anything to do with us other than we'll certainly appreciate what you're doing. But I don't think we're in a position to provide funding for you. But I think that the county needs to look at the the funding of this, not not not us, for particular. But I really appreciate you bringing this to our attention. I think it's a great Thank a great job.

Yes. This was not a not a pitch to come for funding. I that's not that was never the intention. It's through the TDC completely. John,

do you have any comments or questions?

My only one would have been the funding. I think everything else is pretty good presentation.

Yeah. Okay. Good. And I I found interesting a couple of points in here. One was your reference in the document to the depth of Gordon Pass and comparing that to Big Marco Pass.

I also found interesting your discussion of Sea Oat Island from the perspective of the protection it provided for the Marco River and the Big Marco Pass. Because what we're experiencing now is with Sea Oat Island gone and the growth of the Sand Dollar Spit for where we are, that Sand Dollar Spit is providing protection kinda like Sea Oat Island did. And the experience you have now with the hurricane dynamics and storm surge without Sea Oat Island protecting the entrance of the river is very informative for us as we look at where we go forward in the future.

An illustration of why to keep the berm and keep that that protection in place.

Right.

So Right. Okay. Doctor De Beas definitely understands the berm's protective feature for that end of the island, not just hideaway. But

Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Thank you.

Thank you very much for taking your time to present this to us today. Appreciate it.

Thank you very much.

Mister Pearson, if I may add, this is Mohamed Debis.

Oh. Didn't know you were there.

Hi, Mohammad.

Just wanted to add a couple of points. Number one, to address David's, concern, the intent of the the permit modification is not only to aid navigation, but also to allocate more beach compatible material to be placed in the benefit of the district's interest as well as the navigation interest. So there is a commonality in the interest of all the stakeholders, which is a great addition to any, permit or any management plan, and that was the genesis of why the state was very supportive of this path. And not only to that extent, the state went even a step further to encourage, all the stakeholders to engage in a regional beach management agreement that would bring in the county, the city, the district, and, the navigation interest into a future, management plan that would also, provide avenue for state participation as, as far as funding programs are concerned. So in overall, the all the stakeholders, all the the the different parts of the system have vested interest that not only fits the district interest, but also the city and the county and and and other stakeholders in the system.

Okay. Thank you, Mohammad. Alright. I think that concludes that item. Thank you again, Dan, very much for coming to see

us Thank you. Thank you very much.

Great job, and happy holidays. Okay. The next item on the agenda is staff communications. Justin, do you have anything for us?

No. I just one thing about the last item we just talked about is, I don't know if, Dan mentioned or not, but he's scheduled to, discuss this in front of city council on February 17. And one thing that was mentioned there, and I think according to doctor De Beas, it's actually Capri Pass instead of Big Marco Pass

Yep.

Now with the disappearance of of Coconut Island. And since the permit modification will just be for the borrow area expansion, that should be pretty simple to keep it separate from any Hideaway Beach Tax District funds or expenditures. And there's two paths of of going about funding that. It's either having the city pay for it and getting it done and then requesting reimbursement through the CAC and the TDC and or going the route of doing an interlocal agreement, going through all those permit approval process processes, and then getting the funds before the the actual, permit modification work is contracted and done. So that process would take longer.

The reimbursement would be quicker, but the the city council would have to put the money up upfront. And other than that, I don't have any other staff communications.

I think you had this one sign point, Our upside down sign.

Oh, yeah. That was I can't remember who generated the email. I think it came from somebody in Highway Beach. And our it was so it was close enough to shore that our staff was able to go out there and get it turned around quickly.

Yeah. We had one as we had discussed in prior meetings, we had one danger tea growing sign that was upside down. And in the last week or two, Justin got his team out there in a small boat and fixed the sign. So we're very appreciative of that. Thank you. Okay. I don't see any city council members present. So I don't think we have any city council community.

Linda, can I can I add something on this last topic before we get off it?

Yep.

Can we, around February 17, a few days before, get a reminder maybe from Tara that there's gonna be a presentation at the council meeting?

Sure. Could do that.

You.

Tara is nodding her head that you can't see.

Okay. Thanks, Tara.

Okay. Next up is public comment. Do we I don't see anyone in the room. Do we have anyone online for public comment? Okay. Doesn't sound that way. Their next meeting is scheduled for January 15 at 01:30PM. I just get a confirmation from those of you that are here if you'll be able to attend that meeting.

I'll be here.

I'll be here. Okay. I'll be here. John, will you be there?

I'll be I'll be there, Linda. Okay. I'll be there too.

Okay. Great. Thank you. The next item is a proposed agenda topics for next meeting. And I have public relations. Denny Shields is going to get back to us at that meeting along with a draft of the management plan that Phyllis is now working with Mohammed on. And then one other item, Michael, I wanted to ask you, is January a good time for you to present your proposal for our annual survey of Hideaway Beach? You want to do that in February? Okay. All right.

So Tara will put that on the February agenda. Okay. Other committee communications. As I mentioned to you at the last meeting, I made a presentation on the tax district's activities focusing on the condition of our beach, our finances, and the reimbursement we got from Collier County. And that was done yesterday.

And as part of that, I also outlined several other communications we'll be doing with the membership. On January 22, I'll be doing a presentation similar to what was done yesterday for the membership. We'll also be sending out an email video with similar content. So everyone hopefully will get that update. And then in March is when we're targeting to engage with the board and with the membership on our long term strategies.

So I'm looking, to have, Michael and Mohammed support for the presentation to the board, which we haven't scheduled yet, but it will, be in March, as well as we have scheduled a presentation on our long term strategies for March 26 to the hideaway membership. And there'll probably be other videos too, but really trying to make sure that membership is staying up to date on what's going on and why we're doing what we're doing. Also, I've begun work with the Hideaway Communications Director to put a section on the association website for the tax district. That work is just beginning, so there's nothing to report on in detail yet. But I just want to make sure everyone's aware that that work is underway.

And that's all I have. Anyone else have other community communications? John, do you have anything else on your end? Sounds like The

motion will be adjourned.

Okay. I'm just gonna wish everyone a very happy holiday here in David and John remote there. And and

Happy holidays.

And Dick has a motion to adjourn. Do I have a second? I have a second. Second from Phyllis. So thank you very much. And I think all in favor, aye.

Okay.