Ad Hoc Business Development & Re-Development Advisory Committee - Regular Meeting

Call to order Wednesday, 03/19/2025, ad hoc business development redevelopment advisory committee meeting. Roll call.

Member Shulka?

Here.

Schulka? Schulka? Schulka?

Member Spindler? Here. Member Labry? Here. Member Needles? Here. Member Soko? Here. Vice Charlie Verio? Chair Pascal?

Here. Pledge of allegiance.

Pledge of allegiance.

I'd like to make a motion to approve the minutes from January 15.

I'll second it.

I'd like to make a motion to approve the agenda for today.

I second.

I don't believe we have any old business, so we'll move on to new business. New businesses. Chair Pascal, recommendations for the presentation to city council. Poor our findings and our recommendations as a committee. I'll start out that I only had two recommendations.

I'll read them as quickly as possible. The objectives of this committee were to discuss, study, and create recommendations on items that negatively impact business development and redevelopment. During our discussions regarding building codes, ordinances, and requirements, it became apparent that one of the single most important areas for potential improvement was communication. Improving communication and opening pathways for new and old business owners to better understand the process, rules, requirements, and offering a method of improvement. While working together, we were reminded the value of businesses on our island and the importance of educating the citizens that businesses are here for a positive reason and have to and have a positive impact on our community.

Recommendation number one. It is recommended that city council review, discuss, and consider funding for the implementation of a business liaison within the city government body to assist new and existing businesses. The role of the business liaison would be to work closely with business owners to offer specific individual and direct communication to help mediate the process and expedite communication between businesses looking to develop or redevelop and focus on timely communication and coordination between the various departments that are an intricate part of this process. The leaders of our various departments work very hard and have a busy workload. Their responsibilities extend in many different directions.

With the implementation of business liaison, the intent would be to help bridge the gap between these departmental heads and the businesses looking to invest in our community. The process of developing a business or redevelopment is lengthy, costly, and extensive. It is our recommendation that city council request funding and the liaison assist in meeting and communication during the planning, permitting, and processing of the development process. Go to the second one and then we vote. The second recommendation is to extend the ad hoc business development and redevelopment committee or create a new business roundtable.

We believe that it is imperative that as a community we continue to understand the importance of our businesses. These institutions offer tremendous financial support to schools, the YMCA, the city government, and to all of the organizations annually. The business community has a major impact on the lifestyle of our citizens, the future, and the financial stability of our island. Throughout past years, in many cases, the business community has been overlooked and misunderstood. Business and growth have been weaponized in political and false interpretations of businesses as negative or seeking excessive growth and change to our community have spread.

Citizens don't fully understand that our businesses and the community's growth is governed by a strict LDC comprehensive plan as well as density. Citizens that own businesses do not govern it. The ordinances are very specific. The action. Therefore, we urge city council to extend the ad hoc business development redevelopment advisory committee or implement a new business roundtable with businesspersons from different sectors.

We asked city council to work on a newly created set of directives per city council concerns. This group could work together on creating tools that do not exist for businesses, new and old, to better understand ordinances, codes, and regulations surrounding businesses developing or redeveloping creating tools with the assistance of business liaison to ensure businesses have clear data on how to, what to look out for, as well as where and how to ensure compliance and noncompliance in business related areas. A priority should be to seek new ways to educate the community on the purpose of NIMS, planning board meetings, and the role of city council as it relates to our businesses. It is essential that together we find ways for our processes to be more productive and positive. Our citizens need to be educated that there specific ordinances, codes, and a specific process and a time and a place for confusion.

There needs to be a restored value and understanding of the business community at large. They are collectively a huge group of citizens that have our island's best interest in mind. Their goal is to be a positive influence and to have a positive impact. We request city council partner with the business community by bringing bridging the gaps in the relationship between citizens, city departments and entrepreneurs and explore solutions to help place an emphasis on how business owners can start new businesses, understand the process, the difficulties and to ensure we are, for people, investing in our community, friendly and businesses are valued. Those were my two recommendations.

Does

anybody want to make a motion as presenting Either one of these two or these two?

To the city council. Okay.

Maybe do we open to any additions, corrections, or

discussions? Discussions.

For the possibility of exploring other comments?

Absolutely.

I I just wanna throw something out and get some feedback to see if this might make some sense or not because it does

And is mic on?

Pretty cute.

Mic on. Microphone on. Okay. Thanks, Jay.

Is it on now?

Yeah. Is the red light on?

Yes. Great.

Thank you.

Okay.

Yeah. My I just wanted to throw this out and see get some feedback because I I I don't wanna add it unless there's support for adding it. And and managing the wording of because it falls into the category of your number two statement. But I think there could potentially be the need to do an assessment and a review for to handle certain impact areas of businesses throughout the city because there's a lot of congestion. And I think there is it's worthy of a review to maybe possibly create a parking authority to look into, if it doesn't already exist, to identify potential areas where there's a lot of congestion.

Where there is a need for a potential of a mini parking garage of some sort. I know there's people go crazy saying not in my backyard and all that stuff. I'm talking about in commercial districts. And I'm talking about using the potential of financing it through municipal bonds and things like that. And that is a pay as you pay to use.

Does how does that sound to some of you? Because there are a lot of areas such as in the area of Veterans Park, the area down the end of Bald Eagle, certain areas along Collier, that that are people coming to the island to use public beaches, whatever. I'm not trying to make it easy for bringing more people to the island to use the beaches or anything like that. I'm just trying to throw this out to see if it what your thoughts are as it relates to potential or future acquisition within setting aside and maybe in the comprehensive plan. We're developing a way to offset the impacts that we're currently are growing as it relates to the traffic.

Why don't we have Bob? Why don't you talk about, because you're on the ad hoc parking committee for two and a years, you're probably the best to answer that question about your thoughts. Didn't hear what you said. He's diverting it to

Deferring to me. I have to say that there's been a complete plan that's already been written up. It's got a lot of things that are inside of it where we could help out with all the parking. I really do believe that the city needs to address that whole parking issue. It seems like every, I think so.

My light's on, nobody's home. We have stuff that's already been put in place or been written up, and we can work upon that. But I think it is a good idea to come up with, present it to the council and see what their feeling is with doing something with parking again because it's an issue here. And no matter how you look at it, I mean for Dan, it's a nightmare. For anything he's trying to do with businesses, it is.

It's just crazy. But the big concern I would have is, will they act upon anything? We present stuff, will the council act upon it? They're eager to say, yeah, we want to do this, we want to look at this, but then you come up with plans, come up with whatever, and nothing ever happens. So even when you had funding that was put aside for doing it, it still didn't happen.

But I do believe that that's another piece of this whole puzzle that's there for and it's just not businesses. It's everybody. Everybody's got the issue. So I don't know if that makes sense at all, but

So I I don't know if you you got the email that I sent in in regards to So, you know, certainly, I had three items to kinda add to the whole thing. But certainly, one is on this parking issue and relative pieces to it, especially as it regards to the Old Marco section. You know, I have I own a couple of properties in that area. I also happen to run and bike very frequently that direction as I train. And, you know, when you get to the end of the wide path there on Bald Eagle and you get to where it goes to Pier 81, into the rest of Old Marco, It's amazing that nobody has been hurt.

There's not more accidents because the limited amount of lighting with the wide variety of vehicle traffic and pedestrian traffic which now includes, you know, scooters, skateboards, e bikes that go up to, let's call it 25 miles an hour, but there's now e bikes that go well beyond that. And I mean, I I'm I'm an athletic cyclist, and I can you know, I pedal up to 25, 26, 27 miles an hour. And there's bikes that now go blowing by me. And, you combine that with the automobile traffic along with the bushes and the landscaping and the lack of lighting, that whole area, I know people don't wanna talk about it, but even as it exists today without anything new, it it it really needs to be addressed. So and I know that's it's it's pretty deep, but I I certainly think it should continue to be brought to the forefront because that whole area, even without another business down there, deserves some attention.

Anybody else? Any comments on Parking?

The transportation that could have been and was frowned upon was to to have a test was a bus service or a shuttle service of something that would go bring a lot of people from the hotels, the time shares, the con all the condos to take them to different facilities, maybe in Town Center or Old Marco. And, you know, we had a we had a trolley service on Marco once before, and it wasn't an issue. So, you know, I I think that, in my opinion, that should be revisited. And I know the city council blocked that, but

Yeah. I know that, you know, Bob and his committee had looked at, you know, the use of empty lots. You know, for instance, I know that the j w uses that church lot by the marina when they have big events, and they even move people over to the Marriott because their lot isn't sufficient for their large events. And, you know, it's gonna take some creative thinking, which most of it's already been done. There's only so much you can do, but we've got empty lots that sit there 80% of the time except for when they're used for church service on on a Sunday.

And certainly, you know, I think the January, February, March, April time frame, you've gotta take a look at creative ways to get people there because even it is as it exists today without a single new thing, it could be better than it is today.

Yeah. A little follow-up on that too and what Bob said. You know, he presented to city council. If they don't do anything about it, what good is it anyway?

Yeah. So we're getting close to public comment, but real quick, is there anybody else on this parking related issue? Just public parking parking? Before we get to public comment, I just want everybody to think about one thing, and that is I'm in agreement with all of you on that. But I have to take into consideration how many years were you on this committee?

Two and a half years.

Two and a half years. And what did you get accomplished?

Well, actually, there was an alleyway that was dressed up behind on Collier, which was I won't mention the restaurants that are in front of it because that's sort of a It's Verdi's and it's also Thai Sushi that are there as well as Verdi's is there.

Sammy's is

there. Sammy's. Plus you have barbershop that's there. There's other things that are there, but of course what everybody focuses on is Joey's.

So that was

But the

that alleyway was completed and all it was simply is putting up an eight foot wall that was there and using the alleys the way they were originally supposed to be designed for parking and back. And so they added parking spots up against the wall. And I haven't heard any negative about that whatsoever.

Well, I think that that if you look at imagine today if that hadn't been done, imagine what

Oh, yeah.

What the situation would be in. Imagine would the investment of new restaurants like La Mesa, that total rebuild and the, you know, it's a it's a way better facility than. Right. What used to be there, right? It was an improvement. True. And without that that one thing, maybe four or five or six other things don't happen as a result of it. So I it's not a small thing. So

Now in that whole section, I think the total cost was like about 400,000 to get that completed, if I remember correctly. But even when we were talking about Bald Eagle as we head down to Old Marco, all of the soils that are down along that pathway, it was all set up for parking down there as well, just like what they have in front of Merrick using the pavers, their previous pavers for proper drainage. That was all laid out. Actually, had a firm that came through and did all the engineering design work. So that's already been drawn up for a lot of it. But once again, it was

Yeah, and I mean, if that could be integrated into what Greg brings to council, I think it should be because the reality is that area, if you added that with widening those sidewalks down there because those sidewalks are narrow and many of the bushes overhang the sidewalks making them even more narrow. And, then you take a look at the way that people have to turn in and out of a lot of those condos down there. It's very unsafe from a pedestrian point of view even as it exists today.

Well, and and the other part of this whole thing too with the parking was, yes, it was gonna cost the city money to be able to do all of this. However, we also have put in place we put up parking meters, not not the old fashioned parking meter where everybody's got one by their car, which you had to explain to the council that's not what we're going to do. You know, it's a box, and everybody uses it on their phone. But it was only going to be $2 an hour. I mean, that's like nothing. But the revenue would go right to the city. And any parking tickets that were there, once again, would go right to the city. And they didn't wanna do the revenue builder as far as parking meters either.

We'll get back on this right after public comment. I just want to leave with you guys. I support you if you want to write that in. We'll just have to figure out exactly what we want that to look like. Just remember, I believe it's our goal to try and get some things accomplished for the time we put in here. If we don't feel like now is the time to target that, then that's another decision we have as well. It's not to you know, make things less clear. We're trying to get some some things accomplished. But I support you in either way. Real quick, do we have anybody registered for public comment? K. So no public comment. Just as

a follow-up. While the city council didn't do anything in the past, there's a whole new city council out there now.

It's true. So Yep.

You know

It's true.

These recommendations could be I

was talking to the microphone

thing. I'm can can you hear me? Okay. I just wanna remind us that in the past, the city council, while it didn't take any action, there's a whole new city council on there right now. And by submitting something, even though it was submitted before, doesn't mean they're not gonna listen to it.

Okay.

I I don't know if this this goes on here. Can we hear me okay?

Yes, I am.

Okay. My suggestion is if we want to move forward with the business a business liaison and then extending the committee or having a roundtable, you may not want to make the pill too large for somebody to swallow. And if you put in there right now that you want to address parking even though perhaps it could be addressed by this committee in the future. I would maybe consider putting that in doing that after you've gotten this part through and extended. In other words have your business roundtable get that in place and then do something with it.

But too much in there right now, I think some people are going to say, what is this? This is too big of a thing for this group to do. But I think it should be taken up, but perhaps taken up after you re after we reestablish ourselves or after the committee is reestablished.

Okay. Can we take a vote on these three items real quick and just pass these three? Number one, a recommendation to city council for a business liaison.

Mhmm. Yes. Yes. Yes. Agree.

Number two, a recommendation to city council for extending the ad hoc business development redevelopment committee or creating a new business roundtable with a separate set of directives. Yes.

Yes.

And number three, engaging in a conversation and emailing myself what it may or may not look like to present a parking request at this particular time.

I'm pretty can I Yeah? Support I wanna support that. And while I you know, Steve, I I think there isn't a whole lot here for the city council. Hey. Look, hanging around my neck. Yeah. I agree with what you're saying, Steve, but I don't think we've really asked in the city council to do a whole lot. And to add the parking issue into that, you know, they could they they can tear it apart and say, okay, let's look at part of this now and let's put the other down the road to next year or something like that.

Just a suggestion, you might wanna think about asking the city council to re re have an rediscover or re Establish it. Not reestablish, but Revisit. Revisit. Revisit.

Revisit. Visit. Yeah.

The the previous parking solutions recommendations and then moving forward with that. That would probably be better.

That's probably the best way to put it in there. Yeah.

Yeah. Right.

Open that box.

Great. Yeah. Yep. Okay. So

because because I literally have that on my file. I also I've read it so many times. It's like alright. There was lot of good suggestions in there, by the way.

So the third would be recommending the city council that they reopen Re revisit. Revisit the request that were Yes. On the parking committee.

Got it. Yes.

I agree. Agree.

Yep.

Agree. Okay. So we have three. Is there anybody else that has any recommendations that they wanna present? You

you know it. Alright. First off Remember, I have to be the

one that presents these things. I guess I hope

to assist you. First off, if I misspeak, my mind goes a little fast sometimes. I need to slow it down, so please correct me if you hear something. I wanna thank the counselors that are in the room today. Thank you. It means a lot. I misspoke a little bit yesterday at a council meeting. I wanna correct that. I used the word units instead of floors when I was addressing the new councilor, mister Champagne. I went back and watched that video, and I said, how the heck did I say units versus floors? So I wanna correct that.

Microphone over on.

It's on. Is it? Yeah. Want me to hold it like this? Is that better? You know, I'm a I'm a I'm a short guy. You know, I got So I'm going to have to maybe hold it. There we go. A couple of things. I try to attend, as you guys know, with this committee, I had perfect attendance. I know we can't say that for everybody, but we've we had a little bit of a rough start in the beginning. If we're gonna move forward with this committee, we just gotta make sure we're not wasting staff's time, and we're gonna stay focused to make sure we're here. Right? It wasn't some of your fault. Marvin, Darren, I think you came after the two guys who put their names in the hat.

Mister Caruso and Adam Smith, they couldn't I I think his name was Adam Smith. They couldn't make it for some reason. So you guys got added to that. So you came a little late to the game, and I'm glad you guys are here. But I want to make sure if we do a committee again, maybe it's not this format, maybe it's more of the roundtable. Because I like to just be free speaking, talk to everybody, what's on your mind. The only downside with that is, I guess, well, I guess we could still have public comment at a meeting like that. If it's a roundtable, kind of like a builders roundtable, people could still have a public comment.

Just so you know, we did have a builders roundtable.

Was a

month and a half ago. So we try to do those quarterly or biannually. So we have those. And plus, one of the questions was regarding having a liaison. We do have the chamber of commerce that is a spokesperson, and they are there during that meeting. So I'm not talking about a staff person, but I'm saying you do have a chamber of commerce that is supposed to help the business community and be as part of the liaison to the city council.

So

but she's very good, Diana.

Don't Yes. Terrific. She's terrific. Alright. Couple of things here. Dan, you were at and you could, again, correct me if I'm misspeaking. But you were at planning board meeting recently where we talked about that we don't have in our code, in our LDC, it says that the community development director is that's how everything is referenced or designee. But it doesn't say the growth management director, right, for interpretation. And you brought something up about it not being specified. Is that correct?

Well, what I said is we have things in our land development code. We we just recently did a rewrite of our code of ordinances. And the land development code was eliminated from that portion because of the cost. There are things in the land development code that don't pertain to the city because a lot of it was copied from the county. And those are just things that probably need to be addressed.

We don't have a community development department. We don't have a community development director. Some of the some discussion is regarding things that are unincorporated city, is is the county, which doesn't pertain to us. And and these are things that we pick up on that just have to be addressed at one point or another. Okay. So definitions. If you were to look at our land development code, we have definitions all over the place. So

let's see.

Have to track it down. You might have to look at four or five different areas for a definition.

Definitely.

So there's some things that could clean up to make it a little more business friendly, user friendly.

Yeah, put all the definitions under Chapter 1.2 definitions. That's correct. Right? That would be the best bet. So I saw that. I know there's conflicting language. Why this stuff matters is we have a new council. And I listen to a lot of people talk at these council meetings. And the big thing is the comprehensive plan. And from the attorneys that I've worked with, they tell me that and again, anyone jump in here if I'm saying something that you think is wrong. You have to be consistent when you have a plan with our comprehensive plan per Florida statute. Correct. Okay. And unfortunately, from some of my own homework I've done, there's a lot of inconsistencies in our comprehensive plan. Things don't add up.

There's miscalculations. The other day, I attended that NIM meeting at the Porta Marco, which I'm not saying for or against. I just attended it. And I went back and I reviewed some stuff in our comprehensive plan with that. And I saw some conflicting language that had to do with units in there.

So there's some things that I hope we could talk to city council about. And I'm bringing this stuff up because I know we have two good councilors here today that we can look into that because it's important. And a lot of people are going to rely on growth here on the island, how many units we have. The comprehensive plan says residential density with 22,775 units is where we're at for residential density. But the other part of that is how much is intensity. And under residential density, are we going to talk about motels, hotels, timeshares under residential density? Probably not.

I think you're suggesting looking at why is 26 units per acre for a hotel different than a unit for, let's say, a multiple family. I guess that would be a question.

Yeah, some clarification on some of that stuff. So what I did, guys and I wanted to do this from the beginning. I went to the city, and we have a great staff, and I'll get to that in a second why I think they're doing a good job. And I said, how many vacant lots do we have left on Marco Island? Couldn't get the answer. Went to Chamber of Commerce. Said go to the Board of Realtors. I said, I'm a member of the Board of Realtors. Went to the Board of Realtors, saw Patty, she said, Tone, please let me know when you figure out the number. Went to Micah, talked to Ruth, they didn't know.

So I drove the 400 plus lots on Marco Island. Took me ten days. And I did a visual count. Why I'm doing that count? Jason Bailey, the chair of our planning commission, presented to the city council his future plan or their goals. And I think it was Councilor Palumbo said, thank you so much for your lot count. So after the meeting, said, you do a lot count? I've been trying to get this number. So he shared with me his methodology of what he came up with. And in general purposes, it doesn't matter.

What we come up with, five eighty if we're just talking in random talk, there's five sixty eight lots left, let's just say, and I'll give you guys some numbers. But unfortunately, with his methodology, I found some errors. He took the Collier County tax rolls and he scrubs everything that has no zero. Sorry, if you have a zero, that's a vacant residential designation under a Collier County tax rules. The problem with that is there's a lot of people that have combo lots, even someone like myself that comes up as designation use code one.

So if you're just focusing on zeros, you miss all the people who combined their parcels but could sell their lots still. Also, there's miscellaneous residential use code seven. So what I did was I drove the entire island. I said, let me write down in my notepad. I went through two notepads, and I wrote down all these lots. And I'm going tell you guys why this is important in my mind. I wrote down all the lots. I came up with five sixty eight lots that are left, but I don't want people to focus because this number is not an accurate number. But I have five sixty eight lots that are just lots that I counted. I'm not perfect, guys.

I'm sure I made a mistake. There's human error there. But two eighty seven inland and 140 water direct, 141 water indirect lots. Was being in twenty three years now of real estate here, I could drive down the street and know what's an oversized lot, what looks like a combo, what's vacant. So I put a little note, and there was about 50 other combos that I know a guy didn't build over their lot lines on.

So like myself, you take my parcel on South Barfield, you take my house. I didn't encroach over my property lines. I could easily go sell my lot, and that's another available piece of property to be sold. Why I'm saying this is everyone talks about growth. How much do we have left?

So we have this is my math, and I'm not going to be perfect with this. I don't want someone in the community hammering me on Nextdoor, which I'm not a member of or any social media, but I'm getting some phone calls that say people like to talk about me on there. So anyways, I come up with about 8,650 and, Marv, you'll probably know this better than me 8,650 condos I'm sorry, lots and homes combined, 8,650, about 14,500 condos. Condos that came under use code four, we'll get to that separately. So we've to think about this.

What's really left? 7% of single family building here on the island? How much congestion is really going to come here? Think about that. If we have 80,650 lots and home sites combined, and we only have it's more I think it's personally, I think it's probably more like 600 and change, not counting Hideaway and KeyMarco.

Jason Bailey added roughly 70 something for KeyMarco, and I don't have the number for Hideaway. Not those two. But roughly, let's say, have 600 and change, because I know of a lot of parcels that they've built across the property lines. So it brings back the question of total density. If we have $22,775 that we're capped out here on the island, that's our cap, right, from what I understand. Right, Dan? It's $22,775 and that's our cap of residential density. Is that correct?

That's what the future land use may have.

Okay? So what we need to figure out, and why this matters to me, is the guy on Polynesia Court that sits on three lots, or Allison Richards, sits on three lots, They have two lots to the side of them. We've got to make sure we have enough density still left that if someone decides to sell their lot, we don't exceed that density. Are you following me? So if we say, oh, look, we only have 20,000, and it's roughly 200 parcels that are on Marco, we have 20,807 if you pull the county tax roll.

But that's under a three, four, one, four, five zip and stuff. And Cape Romano comes up, and then there's governmental stuff that comes on those tax rolls. We're not going to LCECs power plant that pays taxes to the city, that doesn't count shouldn't count, right? It doesn't count our residential density. But I come up with roughly 20,126, I'm going call them residential parcels, condos, lots and homes.

So if we're at 22,775 total, what do we have left to build? What's really a 10%, 7%? So when I hear people talk about growth and all the stuff on the island, and I brought this up at city council 01:00 meeting the other day, all we're doing is filling in what people already own. In twenty twenty three years, bought my first property in two. I'm trying to think in my head, and Marvin, not to age you, I looked something up.

I said, Marv Needles has been selling real estate here, not the subject, but I like this. Marv Needles has been selling real estate here for more than a decade before I was born. So you could teach me a lot of things, okay? And that's a compliment. You've always treated me great, and that's why I am on this committee, to learn from people like you. Where do we go, guys, right, in the end with this island, when people want to complain about the growth and everything else? Where are we going here, right? What's the vision of this island? That's what I want to know. It since we've been here in the twenty three years, tell me something.

Tell me something that you could tell me that was bulldozed on Marco Island that's increased density air? Well, I could tell you a building that hasn't. Remember when we used to go pay our water bill, or at least I did, at the city water bill where the Chase Bank is? Dan, Mary, I don't know if you guys were even here then, but it's where the Chase Bank is on Collier Boulevard. So it was a city built. It had a little office there, and I used to go pay Sherry Hoyo, her name's Sherry Kirsch now, my water bill there. That's a Chase Bank today. You think the intensity went down there? Sure it did. Right? It was a multistory building. It's gone. Right, Marv? Let's think about the Burger King. It was a drive through.

It's a Chase Bank today on South Barfield. So when I hear these people that come to this island and they wanna complain and talk about growth and, you know, look what happened in this island, and I've lived here three years. I'm saying, tell me what's changed in the twenty years, right? What has changed? What has been bought and bulldozed here that's increased density on this island? I could think of something maybe prior, Cape Marco. Well, guess what? Look what Jack Antrimian did, Marv Wright, when he developed Cape Marco. Probably our most prestigious condo development on Marco, that's why it demands the biggest bucks. He gave the park, right, from the Michaelot.

That's why if you look at the gate of the Michael Lot, it matches Cape Marco. So there's trade offs for developers, there's benefits to our community, and I just want my whole thing of rambling here, guys, is a bigger picture of the truth that comes out of these committees, not the false narrative that the and I'm going call them the loud minority on the island wants to spread. And it's a shame because they do show up, they do come to these meetings not our meetings, but council meetings and they have a little pact. But it's not probably the voice of the majority of the island. And it bothers me.

I just want to get the facts out there. That was the whole reason of this committee, in my opinion, was to try to solve the problems that a lot of false people like to spew on this island. That's why Bob, the other day when I walked out of Port Marco and a lady yelled at me and said, it doesn't matter what happens here because Joey gets what Joey wants? And I said, well, you're right, Joey does get what Joey wants because Joey wants common sense. So tell me what he got in Elliway, and that's why I'm so happy you brought it up. Think about this. He owned three parcels at that time. Verdi's, Sammy's, KJ Sushi's, The Bagel Shop, The Italian Deli, which is now the Brooklyn Deli. Those are five restaurants. It's 11 block parcel, 11 unit parcel, and he owned three.

Everyone else benefited, and so did the community. So I'm glad you brought that up. Thank you. So anyways, that was my lock count rambling there. But I hope it made some sense for you guys. Thank you.

So Tony, I couldn't agree with you more. The question is is, is there something in there that we wanna work on, we wanna talk about, we wanna make a recommendation to the city council on? Specifically, Dan had mentioned one thing in the beginning. It sounded like that's where you were going.

Well, I wanna let the committee know the the committee is for what the city does that negatively affects the business community. And that's really what you need to Correct.

Yep. Well, that's right. And exactly what you said. Spewing false information and stuff that's not true negatively affects the business community. What's so bad on this island about our business community?

So then, Tony, I think it would go back to potentially number two of my recommendation, and that was, extending the Haddcock. I actually brought up the business roundtable because I felt like maybe that would be a more effective way to handle things moving forward in the future so that we

can have communication and handle things a little differently. Which we are gonna continue. The business roundtable is still we we still have meetings on that.

Okay. Great. And, you know, I think it has to do with finding ways or asking and requesting from city council and through the either the ad hoc or the business roundtable to find ways to continue to educate. Right? Educate the citizens that there's so much story out there. We have density. It's it's it's the numbers are the numbers. It is what it is. And, you know, there's so many things that I go to a lot of meetings too, and I sit in there. And, you know, I go to these these NIMS and things, and they come.

They're ready to fight, and it's just an information meeting, you know? And most of them, unfortunately, haven't even done the homework to really have the facts on what's happening or why they're there in the first place.

Greg, if I can. Are you differentiating between the business roundtable that you want to do and that which is already occurring? The business roundtable is a word that's used by the city for this quarterly or semiannual that's done, where the large group gets together and they bring together all the people in the city that could that might be able to participate and help people and, you know, address questions. Are you saying you want something separate from that as a business roundtable? Or are you saying, keep on using that one? Which which way are we going here?

I was actually we're suggesting maybe formulating expanding or formulating a different one.

A separate a separate Okay.

With a specific set of directives. That roundtable is more of an open conversation and so on and so forth. I unfortunately, I feel like in the beginning of our committee meetings, we

had

a set of directives. And some of those things were to look at codes and, building regulations and ordinances that negatively, affect business development or redevelopment. Well, most of them are all in the land development code or the comprehensive plan and or their their Florida building code. There's nothing no matter what we do. There's nothing we can do to change them.

So we spent months initially looking at things that really we had no we could have no effect on. So I'm just looking to say, you know, he's geared up now. The last meeting, he's finally ready to go. Oh, you know So I'm looking for a way to extend this and try and see if anybody else wants to continue to work together to continue to look at businesses and look at redevelopment and development businesses. He makes a good point.

Eventually, with the what we're looking at with the with the what's densities left, we have to continue to look at past that and businesses and the and and the the value of businesses in the community. Because once density's gone and and all this other stuff's gone, it's gonna be the businesses and the community that's that support each other there to make to make the island stable.

What is the formal end date of this group? Is it is this the last meeting of this group?

Last meeting. Yeah. Okay. Right. And then the presentation I'm looking at the second meeting of August or April.

K. So it's me it's either extending the existing group or the existing people. Is that what you're speaking of? Or or just extending this or revamping and doing another another group?

Maybe a business development and redevelopment roundtable with some members. Just a recommendation. I feel as if that there's still a lot of work to be done, that we lost out on some time initially looking at some various different things. I feel like that everybody that we're coming together, that we have some things that that are important, that need to be worked on, the value of the businesses and the community, and, you know, I'm not ready to hang the hat up yet and leave it to other people.

And are you saying roundtable as opposed to committee because you want it to be a less formal type of sitting? Or do you see or is that what you're saying, you know, one of these options, like staying in committee or the roundtable? Because

I'm not saying in front of

you. Okay. Okay. Okay. Effective.

Okay. Whatever is most effective is k. Most important to me. Alright.

I would just suggest, because we do have a planning board that does that handles a lot of review of our land development code, things of that nature. You have a lot of committees out there. Just make sure you're not duplicating what some of these other boards and committees are doing. And and make sure you define it before you move forward. You have to actually define what you're trying to accomplish. Mhmm. Because right now you're pretty vague on a lot of stuff and and as long as it's defined and that you bring that forward to the city council because they're gonna ask me, what does that mean? And I'm not gonna I don't know right now. So

Our mission statement probably, if you want to extend, probably should be changed a little bit, you know, refined a little bit to be whatever direction New new new objective. Right. Right. Right. Right.

Right. I'd like to now that my microphone is on, isn't it? Thank you. I would think that the Chamber of Commerce should have some sort of a committee if they I don't know whether they do or not. I go way back with the Chamber of Commerce when we first started it, and we did have some activity with builders and so on within our own organization that approached Collier County at the time because there was no city of Marco Island.

And I I see that that would be more appropriate for an outside group to do something and then have liaison somebody with the city to be able to move forward with issues that they have as opposed to this committee. And don't don't misunderstand, I think that we've accomplished some things, but I expected a whole lot more out of it to happen from here. Tony talked about the density issue. The density issue is always gonna be there because people say it's too crowded. Especially trying to get on Collier County on a rainy or on Collier Boulevard on a rainy day in February and March.

Everybody's going someplace. But, you know, the reality is you're not gonna be able to make that an eight lane road. Okay? That's the reality of it. So, you know, we there needs to be some other fixes and I don't think that this this kind of an organization here or this kind of a committee is, you know, gonna rewrite what Bob's group already did.

So how many times are we gonna approach that? And it's up to the city council to do something about it. I for one, you know, I like the idea that they, you know, be in what Dan said they have on a court I don't know if it's quarterly or semi annually, whatever. And the Chamber of Commerce can be at at people those people you have a good I was at the first one. I wasn't at the second one. There was a lot of people there. A lot of input came from it.

Absolutely. We have the chamber of commerce is there. We work with them. And we also had the Collard County Business Association. They're part of it too. So we have three groups all moving together in in a discussion of any complaints we have regarding any kind of a building permit or any kind of general contractor or even a citizen who has

We also had a sub committee, if you will, on on Marco that was of the Collier Building Building Association. So we had a bunch of us builders or people in the business that would meet probably every couple three months and we'd get input for the city when it first started or even before that to the county. So there was other avenues here. I for one and if this committee continues, I don't wanna be part of it because I don't think we accomplish. I think there's other things to be other ways of accomplishing what needs to get done out there.

So, that that let me touch one other piece. The density, I hear this constantly. Just a reminder if people don't know that you take the Marriott and go all the way south to Cape Marco, that was all originally zoned for hotels. Complete hotels. They were designed, the Deltona Corporation had a great big expecting gambling coming to Florida, they had a great big hotel that was designed for that point down there.

And a lot of everything else in between. When the Deltona ran into the issues with denial of permits. They had to start selling land. The developers started buying it and they were putting condos up, which reduced the density almost a third on each parcel out there. So, all that has been reduced in density for what Marco Island could have been. My my mic is now

off. Greg,

I I know that one early meeting, one of the things that I think we can get done at this potentially is, you know, the notice of meetings right now in Marco Island require first or certified mail.

Yep.

Where the state of Florida requires first class mail and certainly from a developer standpoint, the cost difference is significant and I think we should recommend to city council that first class mail that falls in line with state of Florida And I think Dan actually agrees. Yes. Would agree with that. And it's a significant savings to all parties involved. So I think that should be brought forward. In addition to that, with that recommendation, I do think it would be, you know, not a requirement from the developer. But I think in an effort to communicate and work better with neighbors and to appear not as like you're quote hiding something because none of them are hiding anything. Right? It's not your fault that people don't go get their mail before the meeting. I mean, that's the reality of it.

But in today's world, maybe it's wise that maybe a recommendation is made to developers and builders especially where they can quickly go and communicate with building managers. Like, hey, can you guys email this out to all of your owners? Because, like, for instance, I own at Model Village right over there and I own at Pavilion Club right over there. They now have different building managers. But each of those building managers in two minutes could take an an and send a notice out to every owner.

And it's not part of the legal requirements, but I think it would just be a it might be good to help quell some of the conversations that are happening about, quote, background deals, and I didn't know about this and didn't know about that. And the reality is these things take years to to to go on. Right? And if anyone was paying attention, they noticed that the trailer park was sold. And if they wanted to pay attention to what was going on in their backyard, they would have looked at the notices and there wouldn't be like, jeez, I didn't know there was a meeting on Monday.

Well, you know, there was a meeting and it's been posted and, you know, if if you're really curious about what what's happening in your backyard, you would have been paying close attention to the paper or other notices. But I think we should bring that forward as a first class male instead of certified male to mirror the Florida State requirements.

A question. Does that even need to come from the go to the can't do you do that with in house?

We we can do that in house to bring that forward. But the but from a committee standpoint, it's better to come from something like this. Because really, this is something that the outside developers are saying negatively affect the the community. Development. Right. Right.

Yeah. I mean, it's real money. It's real money. And then the last thing that I guess I would share is something that I think we talked about and is this NICA versus comparable use. I know that Dan said there's significant there there's money that would be required to do that. It would be helpful to you to be able to do that. But What

I said is in our we have not updated the use code since night, I believe, 1997. So there are some of the things are outdated. And there's I could probably go to every page on the land development code, and there's something that may be outdated, doesn't reflect to what the new state statutes are. Similar things to this that may should be addressed. But it's it's a comprehensive task. And it takes a lot of time. And I believe the cost that was involved at the time that we were looking at it was about 150,000. So again, we can do a lot of things, but a lot of these studies, there there's a there's a cost involved.

But I but, you know, if our role here is to deal with things that negatively impact people who are developing, and they have to go to Dan every time that they wanna go turn a dog grooming station into something slightly different or whatever the issue is that refers. I know dog grooming came up one or two times during these meetings.

Oh, yeah. We actually had that. We had tattooing, which was really permanent makeup. Yeah. There's just a lot of

Yeah. So like a of terms that So like we're taking every time this happens, maybe there's an investment upfront of a 150. But how how many times does Dan get sidetracked doing nonsense that with a cleanup wouldn't have to be dealt with. So I think that should be brought to Yeah. To city council as well. So those are

Yeah.

That's the end of my list.

But just so you know, we do in our codes, we do have provisions for variances. We have provisions that a citizen or the development community can bring forward an application to make changes to the land development. So those options are out there.

They're out there, but they each take time and money.

Oh, yeah. About everything we do is gonna take time and money.

Yeah. So, you know, can we clean this up and make a recommendation to to to counsel that this is a wise investment to clean this up? And, you know, not sidetrack, you know, the city's the city team every time, like, somebody wants to go from a tattoo parlor to a permanent makeup. I mean, it just seems like a total waste of time and energy. But then they gotta apply for a variance, and then they've gotta do this or that or maybe engage an attorney. I mean, it just seems seems like if we could get something done on this, it would be it would be helpful.

If you may you know, it the reality, guys, is we don't have authority. Right? We're not the planning board. We're a bunch of guys sitting in a room with some ideas, which is great, but we don't have the authority. So maybe it's best instead of wasting and I love doing this. You you learn a lot. But maybe it's better just going to public comment on a Friday at planning board, bringing that stuff up for them. Hey. My name is Darren Spindler. I sat on this business committee, redevelopment committee, and here's some suggestions I have for you, and let them figure it out because they have the authority to do so.

In my opinion, I don't I'll do anything. I mean that, guys. If you guys say you wanna keep the committee, fine. We'll keep the committee, but I don't wanna and, I'm not trying to we've had a lot of meetings cancel. We've had, you know, city resources wasted. And what are we getting out of this? You know, you heard mister Choka talk about two and a half years out of a parking committee, and what did they get? Right? So we have a planning board. We have a city council.

Make your voices heard that way. I think, at least from my perspective, I think that's what Marv was trying to say, like, hey. Maybe we put a pause on this committee. Again, whatever you guys wanna do is fine, and I'll go along with it if you still want me to be a part of it. But maybe at least take a reset. Let's see what happens. Let this committee dissolve and and kinda be done for a living. Maybe bring up the issues you have at planning board because that's the only way it's gonna get done. We could sit here, then Dan goes let let's give a perfect, perfect example if you guys went to the planning board meeting. 120% parking, right, over for parking, they shoot it down at planning board.

Right? Maybe the most common sense thing, hi, I'm a developer, and I'm gonna give you more parking. But if you exceed 120%, you have to go in for a variance. Is that correct, Dan?

That's true.

Okay. So think about that. It got shot down at the planning board. What does everybody on this island complain about? Parking, parking, parking. A developer says, I'm gonna give you my required spots are, I'm gonna use an example, are 40. I'm gonna give you 48, but you know what? We're gonna penalize you for that. So now we're gonna take you, and you have to under section 30 dash 65, which is variance procedures, you have to go through that whole whole list of your variants and the notices, and everything else, and you have to do $2,000 plan for variants. Is that correct, Mary?

Dan, 2,000, okay, and then you waste time and go through all of this when all the guy wanted to do was give more parking to the island. I will be at the planning board meeting on the next I think it's April 6. I believe it might be the sixth, but I will be there to say, you guys need to bring this back up because that that was ridiculous. I I was shocked. And I understand the reason April 11. Okay. Thank thank thank you. And and I understand, and I I commend chair Bailey. What he said was, you know what? How often are we gonna get this?

I'll go along with, you know, voting it down to be done, but maybe we see it twice. But think about that, guys. A guy's gonna give you more parking, and we're gonna penalize him for it. This isn't gonna be we we have to take it in a big perspective. You have other they weren't changing anything else in the variant. You still have to meet the building codes. You still have to meet the setback requirements. You still have to meet the land coverage ratio, which is 76%. And you guys could chime in if I'm saying something wrong, 24% open space on commercial, so it's a 76% land coverage ratio. So you have to meet that in.

So there's a lot of other safeguards, I call them, so you're not gonna have to worry about Walmart coming down here with a massive parking lot. It's not gonna exist here. The land's too costly, number one. And number two, we already have enough regulations in our code and under our dimensional standards in our code that's gonna prohibit that. So I was I was literally in line to speak, and I said, god, I I spoke enough in the last couple meetings.

I'm done. So I didn't speak at that meeting, and I did follow-up and with someone. I said, I will I will be speaking about that. So I think we go to planning board, and, again, I'm not I I just don't think we got enough out of this, and I wanna echo what Marv said. I love doing this stuff. Guys, good and bad, I bought a lot of real estate on this island. I've got some experience here. I love doing the homework. I love getting to the nitty gritty. But I want to get solutions, not just talk anymore. I want to get things done. And the only way that's going to happen is going to planning board, addressing that, and then planning board going to city council. That's the only way. Thank you.

Just a second. Just three quick points. What Tony was saying earlier was I think what people on the honor complain about is the word you used, was intensity. I don't think it's the density so much. There are parts of the island that I could go up and down my street. There's not a car there. Then I go down in the farmer's market. I can't get through for three hours going down Bald Eagle. So I think there's a difference between density and intensity. The second thing is, I also have learned from my time up in Philly that traffic and parking, are the natural checks on gross.

They're there. They occur for a reason, if you will. They are symbols and evidence that perhaps you're getting too big too fast and perhaps something needs to be taken a look at. And that's what those groups do. But they're the natural check. They're your first symptoms that there's something that perhaps needs to be that's a thermometer. The last thing is, when I went to business school, our professors always said this, forget about these mission statements or objectives that say, save the world. Our mission is to save the world. Our mission is to do this. Improve Marco Weiland.

You need something very, very specific if you're gonna have a committee. It might be as specific as reduce the number of days to process the permit. That's what this committee does. Something that everybody can get their arms around and work toward. And I think that was one of the issues that we had was it was a rather vague mission statement. We we each had our different understandings, came to it with a different perspective as a developer, as a businessman, so on and so forth. So if we do elect to go forward, I think it has to be constructed very specific. And then everybody will feel better when it gets done that they really accomplished that thing.

Absolutely. You know, we did lose Councillor Blana.

Yes, yes. There were reasons why it occurred.

You said something that I wrote in my notes, I just wanted to mention this. You're exactly right. The word redevelopment shouldn't scare people. And I thought about this. Do you put a new kitchen in your house? Do you paint your house once in a while? We just need to freshen Marco Island up a little bit. Redevelopment doesn't mean we have to increase even the density on the island. My goal in my life here, and hopefully sooner than later, I'd love to build those a high rise. But the one that has a 150 units in it, wouldn't it be great to take it down to 50 units, but just larger square footage?

So maybe it doesn't have 900 square feet. They have 3,000 square foot units. So that would be the number I would love to push out there, and I'm saying it now publicly, redevelopment doesn't mean that we're going to have to increase density. It could actually do the opposite.

Can I just add to that? Please. Is during the redevelopment process, the future land use may not allow you to meet those or make that density. Right now, it could have been a hotel. It had so many units. Now it's being redeveloped into, let's say, apartments. They're not gonna be allowed to meet they have the same densities they had before. So in some cases, you may be increasing density because before they didn't meet that requirement. On the other hand, we have projects that are eliminating or reducing the density requirements. So you have to look at both sides.

It's not just one side. For instance, the the homes that are combining other lots, that's reducing that's actually reducing the density on this island. So I wanna make it very clear that I get projects every day, and they're on both sides.

So No. You're well said. Look at the the on the c three zoning. You could put 12 units right per acre on not where those guys are doing the car condos. I believe it's 12 units per acre over in that because it's an overlay district. And now they're doing car condos. No density. Right? Maybe a little intensity. Not much. Right? But no density. So thanks for bringing that up. Great point, Dan.

Okay. Any city council communication?

Oh, yeah. Please.

Is it is it on?

Yeah. I hope so.

Hi, everybody. I'm Deb Henry, Marco Island City Council. Thank you all for your conversation and for your work here. Please know that it has not gone unnoticed. I think Tony brought up so many valid points in the fact you you the conversation's great, but there's no end spot. Going to the planning board, I made a ton of notes of suggestions for us as a city council to also evaluate. Because you're exactly right. People get sidetracked with the density. I think I feel like density should become a dirty word here because, you know, we can't start building houses on top of houses. So kudos to you for the long drive around.

I have a couple of those drives. So I'll let me know your procedure. But no, you have a lot of good points. One of the thought things that brought up and I agree is with the mark the Chamber of Commerce and with roundtables or working together. I'm sure all of you do know Diana.

But I think there is a way for that to work in because there is a stigma for businesses, and it is horrid in my opinion because the charities on this island would not function without the generosity of the businesses. So we need everyone to exactly they take this big of a negative and never realize that the positive is huge. And your respect, you you deserve it because you guys run successful companies on an island, and you give as much as you get. And we can't thank you enough for that. So I definitely think a community working together with the chamber as representatives and come to council.

Speak your mind. You are heard. As Mark said, we it's a new council. I know Benita and I, we we come to all these committee meetings because they are so important to hear what everybody has to say. So make your notes. Come. We're hanging out for a few hours. We'd love to see you for a few minutes. So please come and please know that you're heard and your time is truly, truly appreciated. And I think the conversation is great if you guys want to continue this. I agree. It's a lot of conversations, but we're not getting end results. So I think there's other ways in productivity that things could actually get accomplished. But know that your time is truly valued. So thank you.

So if you have any questions. Cool. Thank you, guys,

so much. Thank you. You.

Thank you for your patience me getting up here and I do as counselor Henry echoed, want to thank you for all the time that you've put in. I'm sorry I wasn't able to attend your first meeting. I had another conflict. I also serve, on the Collier County Metropolitan Planning Organization as the representative for Marco Island. And I wanna talk about a few things that were asked about the e bikes in particular.

I do want to let this committee know that actually Collier County has been working on an ordinance in that regard. We've been reviewing it at the MPO level and it now is being switched over to the county commissioners. They're gonna be bringing it up at they put it up they're putting it on their agenda to get this ordinance moving. In regards to Marco Island, we've been waiting for this Collier County ordinance to come down because then we can tweak it on our own local level. And then also we will need to be working on how to deal with the sidewalks with these e bikes and all these other they call they refer to it a lot micro wheeled vehicles because there's so much more than just the e bikes out there.

And there's we've on the MPO level, we've, reviewed all the different ordinances that have been put forward by different communities. And so we are working on that, and, hopefully, we'll have it soon. I also would like to comment that the issue about the trolley, that you brought up, actually, the very first meeting of the new council was 11/18/2024, and that is where they did not we did not move that contract forward on the trolley. And by rule of city council, we cannot bring the trolley issue up from one year of that date. Just to update you on that too.

Yes. And, in regards to the roundtable, that was about a month ago, and I attended that also. That was cosponsored by the chamber, And I thought it was a very successful venue for people speaking out. And this format has been working too, but I really do I thought that was very encouraging. And I don't know, Dan, it sounds like you could expand on it a little bit too. Just to this the roundtable could also be used for the issues that are being brought up by this committee. Is that correct?

I'm lost on what you're asking. Okay.

All I'm asking, I think you alluded to the fact that some of the issues that you've been looking at at this committee could be brought up at the roundtable Yes.

Oh, I'm

sorry. What I was saying. Okay.

I agree. I agree.

It was very interactive and people brought a lot of different things forward. And I know they're being reviewed by Dan about getting a deputy to assist with quicker feedback to the builders. And there were a few other ideas that came through too about eliminating the notary, to help speed up permitting. And I do know also, I volunteer at the Chamber of Commerce here also and I know the board looks at a lot of these issues too and Diana is excellent to work with on them also. But thank you very much for doing what you've done and I like the issue of making sure we get that parking study brought up and look at it again to see what might be possible to move forward on.

Thank you. If you have any questions more than happy to answer.

No thank you so much. Appreciate both of you and Ms. Henry. Thank you. What else we got, Paul? So

this is our last meeting. We have no nothing to discuss as far as the next meeting, proposed agendas. Are there any other committee communications?

Yeah. Let me just make a comment, if you don't mind. I just wanna thank everybody here. Never met Mr. Lavery or Mr. Spindler before, Mr. Sokol really, but seen him around for a long time. Met Bob and Mark, but it's been a pleasure to sit on this committee with you. Dan, thank you. Daisy, thank you. Martin in the back, thank you for what you do. And Mr. Chair, my first condo I bought, this gentleman put the tile in that condo. So thank you so much. It's been a pleasure. And hopefully, we'll see you guys, who knows, maybe here in the future or around the island. But thanks, everybody. It's been a pleasure.

Real real quick. Just a business item. Can you repeat what you're gonna bring forward to the city council? And and can we have a vote on what you're bringing forward so we have?

So to repeat what we will be bringing forward to city council, recommendation number one will revoke. That would be a business liaison.

And then this would be a staff, a new staff person.

A new staff person as a business liaison? Correct? Yes. The second one, recommending extending the ADCOC development, redevelop committee or creating a new roundtable or just putting our attendance in at the existing roundtable and so on and so forth. Do we wanna move forward on that?

I think we need to make that decision there.

Yeah. So Yeah.

Three years. Yeah. So I think hearing what I've heard around the table, I I I mean, I would make a recommendation that we focus our efforts on the current existing roundtable and we we table the idea of continuing this until there is a very specific need, want, goal. And I think we use the other venues whether it's chamber of commerce or the business roundtable, in order to make make change happen. I agree.

So that's scratching two?

So it's basically scratching two.

Scratching two.

Scratching two number three, first class instead of certified mail.

I I'm in yes. Agreed.

Move it to two.

And was there a third, Darren? So that was in regards to the comparable use versus the NICs and working on cleaning up the code and

What you're talking about the North American North American industrial what is it?

It was classification. Basically, it was it was dropped the NICR requirements to use comparable use instead. It's an investment part of the city. Yes. But Dan said it would be very helpful to him and also future employees who don't have the, you know, the tenure that he has. And, you know, personally, when I heard him, I like saw him perk up when he talked about it five months ago or six months ago. I agree. And, ultimately, if I see somebody who's working for me who's perks up, I'm like, well, we ought to pay attention to that.

So But wasn't there one last one which was the parking that was

The parking sorry. Revisit parking. That's a yes all the way around. Correct? And the question is is with this one, do we wanna just table this one like the extension of the ad hoc and bring it to planning board and bring it to a more efficient in a more efficient manner?

I I think it's important to put on the radar of the new council that there was two and a half years worth of work done with a lot of important ideas that are good. And

I No. Not the parking. Parking is gonna be on Okay. Parking will will make the recommendation. But you are To revisit it. Revisit it. Yes.

The the classifications? The classifications. Well, I mean, I think there's two councilors here that probably had no idea that this actually was a possibility or that this is causing conflict. I think it's worth bringing to the forefront. There's six, what is there, five people that are relatively new to council. And if this part of the code is creating conflict, why don't we put it in here that it gets brought forward to them? I think at least it puts it on their radar. Yeah. Let let let's Maybe nothing happens, but at least it's on the radar.

Let's just make a simple recommendation. Hey. There's Plant Moran did their study. Right? We know Jason b Bailey talks about a glitch list all the time. Hey, city council. Let's try to clean up our comprehensive plan. Let's try to attack this glitch list, and let's just clean up some of the recommendations. Land development code. Land there you go.

That would take care

of the That's probably the best thing. We really need to clean up the land development code. When a guy wants to have an argument with me about hardship, and I give my opinion, they give their opinion, let's try to get maybe a better definition. Okay? And then people want to argue about it.

Language was it was drop the NICR requirements and use comparable use instead. And

I I think what what Tony is saying is probably the better way to go because there's quite a bit in there. That was just one of the Yeah. Things that I discussed. So if you were to look at the land development code for a rewrite

for Yeah. For better organization, maybe obsolete. Definitions. The community development director giving you authority to make decisions. I mean, and I understand. Then it comes like we talked in the one meeting. Well, Dan Smith makes a decision for somebody, and then someone says, well, you played favoritism. Ladies and gentlemen, to the public out here today, this isn't like a movie where you bring a bag of cash to somebody and they're doing you a favor. Everyone's playing by the rules here. It's it doesn't exist. So there's no favors that are being had here. Everything's out in the public. It's in the sunshine. So I I don't you don't have to worry about that.

Yeah. I mean, I'm sitting next to Dan today, and he sent me back to the variance department a couple of times. And, yeah, there's it's just the way that it is.

So we are gonna vote on that, and we're gonna make a recommendation for cleanup, the land development code. You'll help with an email through Daisy to be a little bit more specific on that request. Sure.

You got it.

Okay? So those are the items we're gonna be requesting and making recommendations to city council.

Perfect. Should we go through the You wanna do the quick rundown one more time? Quick rundown is Number one. Number one,

the business liaison. Number two, revisiting, asking city council to revisit the findings from

the

parking. Number three is the certified mail. And number four is clean up the land development code. We'll get a little bit more specific with those sentences, and that'll be the

I can help you. Great. Put a put a shaft together. I can help you with that.

Okay. And make a motion.

I make a motion that those are the four that we present to city council,

Chris. All

in favor?

Aye. Aye. Aye. Okay. There we go. Okay, guys. Meeting adjourned.

One other thing real quick. I just wanna thank Greg Folly for this appointment. I forgot to thank him. Thank you for appointing me to this committee, and thanks Rich Blana for all you've done here. Thank you very much.

Thank you. Thank you, Greg,

for everything

you've Exactly, mister chair.

Thank you so much, mister chair. Appreciate it. Meeting

adjourned. You mean thank