Common Council - Regular Meeting

Welcome to St. Tony. One out there. Uh, good evening everyone. Today is Tuesday, April 7th. Welcome to our city council meeting. Like with all of our prior meetings, we are streaming live on city mass and YouTube channel, archiving the meeting there for later viewing. And I would invite you to stand with us to recite the Lord's Prayer followed by the pledge of allegiance and we'll get into tonight's business. Our Father,

who art in heaven, be thy name, thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us, and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. For thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Thank you. May we have a roll call? Sure. Patrick Tean here. Carla Krebs here. Lucy Dutello here. Josh Schaefer absent. Okay. Uh Joel Storm absent. Okay. And Jim Bartlett here. Josh Wilbur here. Thank you. Council, I've had an opportunity to review the minutes from Tuesday, March 17th. If so, we'll entertain a motion to approve. I'll make the motion to approve the minutes. I second. Any discussion? All in favor, please say I. I. Any any opposed? Thank you.

Uh moving on. Um I would like to postpone the donate life month proclamation. Uh the person I was uh going to present it with today was unable to make it unfortunately. So now we'll move into the other part of the presentation of petition petitions and invite Erica Klein here uh to discuss the owner occupied rehabilitation program in partnership with Cersei and the procurement of professional services. Erica, welcome. Grab your mic there if you don't mind. Thank you. Push that button. There we go. And Mindy's online. I think Mindy is Mindy's on.

Okay. Oh, I see. Good evening, council. Um, the city of Madison received two responses to the procurement process that OKR has, and I'm going to open those. Can can you get a little bit of background just on the program and then why we're doing this today? Yes, I can. Thank you.

So, um we applied to the owner occupied rehab program through OKRA which is acronym for office of community and rural affairs. Um part of their process, their procurement process is that we have to send out an RFQ for radon and home inspections. We also have to send out an RFQ for grant services. That's part of their process. Um that falls in alignment with the application that we sent out. Uh we're still waiting to hear if we have been awarded. Um Cersei, which is the Southern Indiana Regional Planning Commission, they are the planning commission for our whole entire region. and they have seven different counties that they oversee and they are the grant administration um that sent out that application for us.

Good. Thank you. Okay. So, I'm going to open the first one. The first one is an inspection services radon inspection proposal um from Hooser Radon Remediation. And what Eric is doing right now is part of the procurement procurement requirement that was advertised is that we would open the proposals uh at a city council meeting. So we're not taking any action on them. Uh but we have to announce them here at the council meeting. Um so I don't know what the process is for something like this if you guys want to keep this or do you want to keep this in

announce who it's from so we can comply with the procurement requirements. Okay. This is from Hooser Radon Remediation. A response for the request for proposal for radon inspection of the owner occupied housing rehabilitation program. Was there only one respondent to that? Yes, this is the only one that I have for radon remediation. Okay. Then I have another response here. I'll read the outside of the envelope. This is from the Southeastern Indiana Regional Planning Commission to the city of Madison.

Quite an envelope actually. Goodness. Okay. And this is the a response from the Southern Indiana Regional Planning Commission to the city of man to the city of Madison for grant services. And that is the only response that we've received for grant services. So we received one respondent for radon and and home inspection services and one respondent relative to grant administration services related to our application for the owner occupied rehab with okra. Yes.

Okay. And then what we'll do is we'll take these uh RFQS under advisement and re you review review them internally and with okra. Anything else? Any questions about the program? Um with Erica? You say we'll probably hear in May. We're supposed to hear the end of April, the beginning of May is what OKRA told us. And we've applied for around 350,000. Yes. and they've already conducted uh public comments uh to gauge interest in in it.

Yeah, we had two of them. We have somebody in the audience that was part of it. So, what I like to talk about with regard to this is if you combine that with our PACE program um and you also combine it um with the contributions from the redevelopment commission, we'll have a million dollars to spend on preservation uh this year and about twothirds of it is targeting low to moderate income households. So, it's going to be a really good year for that. Yeah. So, we've now how much longer till people can actually apply then? We've followed all the rules. We've had ourformational meetings. When can people apply?

People can still apply. Um there's links on our website. There's also links that we've shared through social media. Um they can also visit the Southeastern Indiana Planning Commission's website. They also have links. You can come into city hall. Uh the planning office has uh paperwork. I have paperwork in my office. Um, anybody can can help you here in city hall with that um process. Filling out the application. Also, we ask that you fill out a survey. In the event, I hate to say it, knock on wood, but in the event that we aren't awarded, um, filling out that survey helps us with data to prove the areas that really are needing um, this support for our community. So, that's why we have the survey behind the application. Excuse me.

Okay. So, our part as a city is done. Yes. For now. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Erica. You're welcome. Good job.

On the agenda, we have uh one ordinance on first reading, and that is ordinance 2026-7 C, additional appropriations, sponsor uh Councilman Bartlett, and this appropriates opioid settlement funds and bond debt service. Mindy and I would maybe ask Mindy and Shirley if they want to give an overview of this uh additional appropriation that was advertised and there's also there's also a memo uh that is accompanying the uh ordinance for council's consideration and we can this is the first reading so we can have discussion as well as public comment on it. Uh good evening council. I'm happy to give a quick overview. I know that

many may ask you to hold on we can't hear you. Do you are you microphone? Yeah, it's open. You can bend it down to the laptop. Turn the volume up on the TV, too. Oh, I think it's I think it's coming through my laptop, though. Oh, gotcha. Okay. Loud. Yeah, I think that's as loud as it's going to go. Okay, I'll try and talk loud. Is that any better? Are you turned on? Yeah, it's on. I think all the mics are on. Yeah, it's at 100.

If your speaker is more here, go ahead and speak, Mindy. Hi, Josh. All right. Can you trying to see where the speaker? You can keep speaking so we know find a speaker. Okay. I've got mine all the way. Yeah. Usually it's right here in the front. Okay. Well, we'll not sure we can.

Go ahead, Mandy. We'll see if we can hear you. If not, we'll supplement what you're stating. Okay. Well, hopefully you had a chance to read the the memo that the mayor prepared and sent with this ordinance. Um, in terms of the opioid funds, there are um I'll talk about the restricted fund first. We I accidentally budgeted $10,000 in the restricted fund that the mayor wanted in the unrestricted fund. So, um, we went ahead and made the payment. The our commitment to JCAP is actually 30,000 a year. So, we went ahead and made the $30,000 payment. That left us $20,000 short because I had only appropriated 10. So, we're bringing in the extra 20 to cover that full commitment. And then we're just going to go ahead and bring in an additional 50 into the restricted fund. And that is um obviously restricted. there are certain uses that are acceptable for that. So, we're just going to bring that in in case something comes up for the rest of the year that we would like to support um for a drug addiction and the money will be there and available uh to spend. We're doing the same thing in the unrestricted fund which does not have the same requirements. It's um an any illegal use fund. Uh we're just bringing in the balance in case there is something we need to uh spend that on. And then on the general obligation debt fund, that's the the one that's a little bit complicated and the mayor sent the memo out on. Um I will let him give you more detail if needed more than that memo, but just quickly to say this 112625 that we're bringing in to the debt service will bring in enough funds that we can make three bond payments this year and get us back on track for an

early payment. Um the early payment did not happen in December. It got uh sent out in January which put us behind for an early payment structure. So this is to correct that.

Yeah, I may just supplement that. Um first, are there any questions on the opioid side of things? That's a little less complicated as stated in the memo. uh after we went through the budget uh Shirley pointed out to us that those uh the JCAP funds and any amounts used from the restricted fund should have been appropriated. So uh none of what we're proposing to do here today increases any tax levy. We already we already have the revenue. Uh this is uh u following uh DGF and SBOA procedures with regard to the appropriations. So that corrects uh what we did at the budget stage.

So where was that pulled from? um it's pulled from the cash it's in the fund the cash balance. So if you refer back to your cash your fund report the the very far left hand side is are funds that were left over from the previous year and those are where the funds are coming from. So it's already there. We just need to go through the paperwork to make it spendable.

We received OP8 settlement fund funds and they get deposited into an unrestricted and a restricted fund. And what we're doing is appropriating our commitments out of there. Um and then this anything else on opioids and then on the the geo bond um what we're doing there is there's a statutory maximum amount of how much cash can be in the debt service fund. And because of the um difference in timing of making a payment last year on the Crystal Beach RDA lease rental payment, uh that resulted in the city of Madison having too much money in its debt service fund and DLGF reduced our uh approved levy by $220,000. So that money is gone. We're wanting to avoid that this year. uh and that is to correct the payment timing and appropriating additional funds to make a payment in December out of the cash fund. Again, no change to tax levy. Uh that would create uh the ability to to make the $112,000 payment in December out of the cash fund and put this put the debt service fund below the statutory maximum and preserve our tax levy for 2027. So when you say it's gone, where'd it go? It

it it resulted in about a two cent reduction in our tax rate. So we'll never get it back. Uh but what we can do is avoid the same thing happening to the the general obligation bond.

I'm just going to jump in and tell you it's the same. If you look at the fund report, when we closed last year, the amorization schedule is what we've been going off of. So when we closed last year, we pay our our bond service in January and again in July. So when that happens and we have cash left over again on that fund report, it shows the far left column that that cash was left over. That is where DLGF is saying you've got extra cash left over. You don't need a levy, correct? you don't need additional tax revenue.

So that is something I did not catch. That is something that DGF we had multiple Bob went to bat multiple times talked with the commissioner. Here's what's interesting is that DLGF actually approved the budget to make the two payments January and July. However, for this 2026, they didn't give us enough money to fund it. And I think it's just a little um it's a misstep. There's a lot of things that they come back. It's called the 1782 notice. They come back with the 1782 notice and Bob and Mindy and myself, we all look at it and we do our best to make sure we've caught everything that they've adjusted. This is one of the things that we did not catch. So, we're going to do our best to make sure not close this year with any money in those funds.

And we did ask DGF uh to amend our budget order. uh they refused to do that but they have given us their blessing and they'll go through an approval process for this additional appropriation so that doesn't happen again. So they are they are working with us on that on that part of it. Are there any other questions on ordinance uh 2026-7C from council? Any public comment on ordinance 2026-7 C from the audience? Hearing? None. That'll move on to its second reading for the April 21st meeting. Uh council, are there any reports, recommendations, or other business from standing or select committees of city council? I will say uh just as an FYI, I'll probably calling a a meeting of our special projects um or finance, one of those to talk about some policy initiatives that we that were left over from last year. So, we'll reach out to council on that. And um we do have a one bill on second reading. It is ordinance 2026-6C repealing and replacing Ordinance 2008-17 policy and procedure manual employee benefits provisions and ordinance 2023-12 parental leave policy sponsor Councilman Wilbur. This presents the new employee handbook including the benefits portions on pages 18 through 33 to be approved by city council. Uh this rather lengthy document is uh has been posted on our website and there's a link on the council agenda for anybody to see. So we are on second reading. We'll open up the floor for any additional comments or questions from council first and then

the audience and then we'll move to uh take action on uh ordinance 2026 6C. Council, do you have any any questions or comments? Hear none. Are there any questions or comments from anybody in the audience who'd like to make a statement? Hear none. Do we have a motion to approve ordinance 2026-6 C? I'll make the motion to approve ordinance 2026-6 C. I'll second. I have a motion and a second. Any any additional discussion? Hearing none. We'll go to roll call. Patrick Tanau. Yes. Carla Krebs. Yes. Lucy Datillo. Yes. Josh Schaefer's absent. Joel Storm is absent. Jim Bartlett. Yes.

And Josh Wilberg. Yes. Thank you, council. Uh, I also want to thank my team and Jen over there for over a year-long initiative on this. Uh, was a rather complex thing. Josh, thank you for all your advice along the way, too, because this is this is your field of expertise, and it really helped a lot. Uh, moving on. Um uh Councilman Bartlett, is there any signups for public comments? No.

No. Okay. Um then that means the floor is all mine. Thank you. Thank you. I know you're ready to roll right into a motion to adjourn. We thought we'd almost break a record, but I tell you what, a lot of exciting things are happening in Madison, Indiana, and I'm really proud of the progress that we're making on a number of fronts. Yesterday, I think was a really good day. Uh I would invite everyone to uh watch or or uh look at the minutes from the Board of Public Works and Safety. We had three big things on that agenda that I wanted to bring to your attention. One was the awarding of the bid for the 2026 CCMG project. Uh that's something that we all spent a lot of time working on and very grateful for Governor Braun's inclusion of over $75 million in that road funding for communities all across the state and especially for the legislative work done by our representatives uh state state senator Rainey Maxwell and our state representative Alex Zimmerman working very closely with us and other communities to bring those fundings uh to the city because you recall back in October when we applied we initially denied because that program had been reduced by uh almost twothirds. So when I say twothirds, we're talking about two or $300 million was taken out of the community funding program and done differently, but there was a gap year. 2027 year, which begins in uh July is going to be a good year for us, too, because it it will create an allocation of road dollars based on lane miles. And City Madison has over 125 lane miles. So, I think we're going to be in really good shape going forward, but we had a gap year where we were still very reliant on the CCMG program. Uh, we through our asset management plan, we announced that we need to do about a million dollars of investment in our local roads and streets each year over a

10-year period to bring those poorly rated roads and our better roads to an average rating of of about six, which is which is average. Um so yesterday at board of public works and safety we awarded the bid to the lower bid temple and temple uh paving was the low bid and we will be doing uh the bid came in below our projection of around a million to around $921,000 and that will pave Croer Avenue, Craigmont Street, which is the most expensive part of this whole 2026 plan. uh West Third Street from Craigmont to the Broadway intersection on the east side and then the north and south sides of Broadway Street from Maine to Third. Um that's all we could do with a mill I'm going to say that's that's a million dollars right there folks in just those limited number of streets. That's in addition to the work we're doing on Main Street. Main Street has its own separate funding uh mechanism. So, we're going to continue to uh execute our our Main Street master plan and work on Main Street this year, next year, the year after that. Uh so, that was CCMG. On the PACE front, we had another round um the the second quarter round and we had high demand for the PACE dollars. uh the recommendations from the PACE committee that were approved in board of public works yesterday uh allocated about $125,000 for new PACE PACE contributions. Um and that money is leveraged 4 to1. So there was over a half a million dollars of new investment occurring that's being partially funded with the PACE dollar. So that program continues to produce really really good dividends and leverage up uh private investment. And then the last thing was we introduced the Kurrica Creek stormwater master plan. Uh Commonwealth Engineers was here to give an overview of the planning assistance uh to to states study that the Army Corps of Engineers did. Uh took

them two years. They finished that up in 2023. Right on the heels of that, we started uh designing a a storm water master plan with Commonwealth and they laid out uh the findings and recommendations and the board of public works and safety took that into consideration. But that is a uh it took us five years to get to this point, but it's another long multi-year multi-phase plan to start mitigating the flash flooding risk in the North Walner Street and Jefferson Street corridors. If you recall, in June of 2021 and then in the summer of 2015, I believe, there were two very significant flash flood events that displaced um many, many residents and caused millions of dollars of property damage. So what we're doing with this master plan is um putting storm water uh at the high priority that it should be treated and we've done some things sequentially and I'll just outline those very quickly because council you were involved in all of this. Uh we reorganized the MS4 management to be more effective and elevate storm water issues. We adopted in 2024 modern storm water policies and regulations so that we can deal with storm water effects from development. We implemented storm water detention and infrastructure improvements. So we took ARPA money. We took private investment money. We took TIF dollars and built uh detention basins and more storm water drainage. We secured a million dollar community project funding award through Congresswoman Erin Hchin's office to advance our mitigation efforts. And then through the adoption of this plan, that also creates a mechanism for us to pursue more dollars uh to start making meaningful uh investments in storm water rather than it being kind of the neglected utility of the city that causes a lot of problems. I'm sure many of you guys get calls all the time about about storm water. So those were three

important things that occurred at Board of Public Works. Um and then in today's redevelopment commission meeting uh we outlined uh a lot of the different initiatives particularly a couple projects that we're working on the connector trail uh main street west west main street improvements and new sidewalks. So all that went through the redevelopment commission meeting today uh for funding as well as the other grants that the redevelopment commission has accepted for those particular initiatives. So a lot of stuff happening more to come. um the adoption of the storm water policy and the adoption tonight of the handbook. Uh that combined with the adoption uh last month of the uh unified development ordinance. Those were three major policy initiatives that were uh we worked on over the course of uh the last year to year and a half and were part of our 2020 uh five policy initiatives. So, we had probably I want to say 18 to 20 policy initiatives last year. They were they were all completed now with the uh adoption tonight of the handbook. Thank you guys for all your help and input along the way. Your input's invaluable. We have more to come. Policy uh helps us uh make good decisions. And uh I'll pause there in case you have any questions for me. I don't have any questions, but just a real quick comment because if I was at home and you were talking storm water, storm water, I would be like, "What is he talking about?" So, just real quick, because I have a lot of constituents that complain about this. Storm water is when mother nature dumps it on us. It's not controlled by our sewer or water people. It's when there's so much rain so quickly and the infrastructure that we currently have in place can't handle it. So, anyway, just keep that in mind. That's what we're talking about. Like last week, mother nature did that to us

and we had puddles and everything around town. That's when we talk about storm water, that's what we're referring to.

Yeah. And I'm glad you brought that up and I'll I just want to make a quick response to that. And and uh we are having more frequent high precipitation events. Uh our infrastructure wasn't designed to handle it. In fact, many of our in fact we had very poor storm water regulation. Well, during the explosion of development on the hilltop and as you know all that water comes downtown from the hills and the wershed we're talking about with Cooker Creek is over 10 square miles. It's it's 1,200 acres that's draining into Cricut Creek that is pretty much unabated and and happening at the confluence of other tributaries. And just that one storm in 2021 was 70 million gallons of rainwater in a 4-h hour period. Last week's last week's storm we had during the park board meeting, if you remember, we all look you couldn't even see past the window because it was a sheer wall of rainwater. You know, that was a couple of inches of rain in 20 or 30 minutes. It was a lot and it inundates, but it flows. It eventually flows out. What we're trying to do with our strategies is be good stewards relative to managing and regulating development so that it doesn't uh cause more problems than we have. You build infrastructure along the way as you develop. And then we need to have a plan in order to um uh accompany our current infrastructure which we have over 56,000 linear feet of pipe and culverts and drains and ditches that right now across the city is managing that storm water. but it's not enough and we're having like I said more frequent high precipitation events. Uh they're happening quicker and on the one of the presentations we made yesterday was probability of a of a major flash flood happening again like we did in 2021 and it's uh 50% likelihood

happening again over the course of the next 20 years. It's going to happen sooner than that I know. But if we don't make investment in infrastructure and that is how do we channel the water to its proper source which is the river when everything is coming toward us. How do you protect life property? Uh how do you uh avoid all the damaging and health unhealthy impacts of storm water? And you do it by making investment. But uh it it it's the common enemy doctrine. Rainwater is our common enemy. Falls from heaven and it flows where it flows but we can channel it and control some of it but um we have to make the right investment. So that's what this that's what our policies are all about is creating you know momentum toward uh investments and the community has to participate in those solutions. That's just the bottom line like everything else. So, I have a comment on roads. Uh, and I've brought this up before, so I'll just say this. Uh, you know, I'm pleading with you, mayor, to do something down on the the west side by the the corner of Maine and and seven going up. Um, you know, I was driving the other day and

Oh, you're on the hilltop. No. Oh, you're talking about Craig. Yep. Yep. Craig. um red pepperoni red pepperoni and I a biker was coming down the bike lane in the bike lane and two cars go to in to that the what they are creating a turn lane that's not a turn lane anymore

we are going to have an incident it is going to happen if we can get at least just two temporary cones that just keep people from visibly going into that lane and turning before they should be turning it would help in the meantime and in the temporary before we actually you know redo the street, right? Um, but I just and it's going to happen and we got, you know, we got cars like I'm in the I'm going to turn in the right lane and then somebody else is coming up and I don't see them and I'm going to turn right into them because I'm not going to see them as they're they're making because they're coming up on your right hand side and you're in the right you're proper lane to turn, right? I'm not expecting that to happen. Okay. I I have some ideas. Okay. And I'll circle back with you on it.

Okay. Uh on that note though, as you know, we had a Main Street master plan and uh the letting for the next phase of Main Street unfortunately was pushed back. Uh we we don't dictate the timing because it's federal funding and it has to go through tremendous amounts of environmental review, but the letting for the next phase of of the Main Street project that's being funded with federal funds. We're still doing work on Main Street. I'm only talking about the big project that's fedally funded that we were awarded five years ago, right?

It's taken us that long to get to the point where we're letting. It'll be let in September. So, we're on the INDOT schedule for letting in September. And that will u deal with uh the top of handover hill down to McIntyre Street where the bridge is. Right. Right. So the intersection you're talking about is a another federally funded project that was awarded I think in 20

21 or 2022 and that will be let about a year later I think around a year later. So we're talking into 28 and 29 and that will address that intersection. As you know what we've been doing with regards to safety is doing bump outs. Yes. so that we can manage the traffic, slow it down, and then also make it safer for pedestrians, but put people where they're supposed to be. Yes. So, but there are some uh interim uh strategies that I can I can think of pretty quickly that will address that concern. Now, our chief is here. I don't know if he could maybe comment on whether or not there's a high propensity of accidents at that corner. I know you're talking about I'm trying to prevent it. Preventing an accident.

Yeah. Uh but but uh Chief Mont any comment on the dangers of the Craigmont Street intersection? Uh we've not been put a right turn lane there because it's an INDOT controlled intersection because it connects with the state highway and there's not enough turning radius for a right turn lane. So yeah.

Yeah, I agree with Josh. You know, I've noticed it myself too. Um so we have been the guys are the police officers are aware of it. So hopefully uh with another reminder they can kind of keep a better eye on that. But yeah, I I agree with you. It's a lot of people do it. Um I've seen it many times. You know, I don't drive a marked vehicle so there's not a whole lot I could do when I see it, but many times if I'm there and I'm turning right, you get people and I've got my turn signal on and people just come up to my right. So you got to be careful. Yeah. So that's something we do need to address a lot. Yeah. There are there's some simple things I think we can talk about that that's that's interim until we get to the major project. Exactly. Yeah.

Safety is really important. We will be um uh doing more work on Main Street this year. Um we're wrapping up a couple projects and then we'll be closing on some new starting some new ones. Okay. Yes. You want to talk about that highspeed chase? I'm getting too old for that. Uh but very worthwhile comment and it again if people just follow the wish any other comments or questions uh announcements from council. One other uh

comment or or request of the public after related to storm water. If you have a storm water drain near your house and you see it's covered up with leaves and sticks, if you could just scooch them off and and bag them up or or do whatever, it would be a big help because there there were a lot of them around town that were just totally covered with leaves and then that puddles into the roads.

We uh we had that's a really good point. We had a what has been a first in my time here. We had to do a we had a submerged vehicle um in that storm last Wednesday on Michigan Road near the golf course and it was what you were describing was when it rains it's washing all of the debris that's there. And where does it go? Straight to the gutters. All right. And the drains. And what it happened there is that inundation moved all of the sticks and leaves and debris, dirt and everything right to the drain. And then the drain clogged up and then that area was a low-lying area and it flooded and it and it swept a car and submerged the car and we had to do a emergency rescue on a submerged vehicle. Never seen that before on Michigan road next to the golf course. So although but your point is a great one which is you know you can help that everybody participates in that and as we talk about our uh flood prevention and a key element of that is education and homeowners doing what they can to uh dryroof or flood proof their homes. And I I can tell you in in some of the areas on North Walnut Street, we had the flood in 2015 and then we had another one even more severe in 2021 and very little had been done by the property owners to drive proof flood proof their homes. So, uh, we've got to do a lot more outreach and education about what are some of those inexpensive things you can do to help detain or deflect or channel storm water rather than just letting letting it, you know, fill up your house. So, a lot a lot of a lot of great things have come out of this multi-year planning initiative. Uh, but we all it's not just our initiative. It's a citywide thing and we've got to make investment in time

and money to um to mitigate it because as much as we love Madison and believe all roads lead here and we're a destination, all the water's coming here too because it's got to get to the river. Bob, I think one thing. Yeah. Thanks, Lisa. I think one thing to remind everybody of we've seen down on the east end, everybody's doing their yard work right now. Like Patrick was saying, they're all piling it up. If they don't call the city to come get that scooper, then it just it goes somewhere before we get to it. And that's a part of like me calling Gina and saying, is it the first and third or the second and fourth that they come and get it. It's like letting the people know, yes, we're all doing yard work. Don't just leave it out there cuz it's not going to stay right there.

Please put it in the compost bags. A lot of people just want to stack it up so we can come and pick it up. But mostly it's the big, you know, they're trimming trees right now. So you can't get in that bag and then they don't call it in is what's going on down in our end. And it's like, well, it's not just going to disappear. They just leave it out there. Particularly right behind the Marriott. It's just piled up for days, weeks, and nobody calls it in. So, you know, just reminding people, the city's really good about coming to pick it up if you let them know that you need

and I just want to put this in perspective, too, with this the the study that we did. It was very um uh very granular and uh less than a foot. If we can move storm water less from its where it lands and channel it less than one foot, one foot of storm water over an acre is 325,000 gallons. And the Army Corps of Engineers recommendation was you need to detain, slow down, retain, channel 181 acre feet of water. So one acre of 325, 181 acres. Now you're talking 60 70 million gallons. That's just how formidable of what we're trying to do. But you can make incremental changes that just starts chipping away at that. Uh and I firmly believe that while we can't prevent a flood because the properties that we're talking about are in a flood plane, we're not raising it out. You're not building out of the flood plane. We can do a lot of things that prevent it and also reduce the severity of it when it happens because it will happen. We will get that, you know, um 7 in rain uh in a short period of time. It will inundate. Uh it it it's just crazy how storm water works. But there are things we can do. It's within our control.

Can I ask a question? Yeah, go ahead. If you want to hop up there, Debbie, tell me this. um with this flood uh watershed being built and everything, is that going to relieve some of the um people down on the end of my street? They um have flooded now can't get flood insurance or it's so outrageous. Is that going to help them at all? The um the target area is North Walnut and Jefferson Street areas that have been frequently inundated by flash flooding because they are low in the flood plane. Their base flood elevation is below.

But it's going to help on that on my end too. It'll help because we got flooded in 21. It'll help. Yes. It's totally designed to help because I'm not in flood plane, but I got water last time. Yeah. And and you know down on that end, they got it back. Go down North Walner Street. North you think you're going up, but actually North Walner Street, your elevation's getting lower. Okay. Highway 421 and under 421, there's some discharge pipes under 421. You could almost drive a truck through. It's a It moves a lot of water.

So, we have we have some inter intermediate things and some long-term things we have to work on. But if you watch yesterday's board of public works meeting, uh we're also putting a together a project page so people can go out and actually read the report. You'll see what's there. Those are recommendations. Uh our intention is not to displace anyone. It's to take incremental approaches and measure the impact it's having and then go with another layer of investment. We're not doing a $10 million storm water project. Thank you. Uh, anything else, council?

I move to adjourn. I second. All in favor, please say I. I. Any oppos? Thanks.