Planning and Zoning Meeting - Regular Meeting

All right. Thank you, oh Lord, for this day that you have given us. As we come for the count of vision, we ask you to help us make good sound decision. This we ask in your name we pray and we say together. Amen. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Consideration for minutes from November.

Motion. Second. Properly moved and second. All in favor? I have it. So it is motion to open public hearing. So move. Dr. I think um Makita is going to be they had a board meeting this morning so they're going to be just a few minutes late. If we could hold off on the public hearing, take the site plan first which does not require a public hearing. Okay. And then move into the public hearing to take the other two matters.

All right. This time we have the representative from MMC Training Center site plan. Is anyone here for MMC training facility? The site plan. I guess we just hold it on. Yeah. Table that January. Okay. Or to the end of the meeting. Yeah. Why don't we just just hold up on that? See if anybody shows up. All right.

I guess we're right back to the site. I mean a public public hearing motion to open public hearing. Motion second move to properly second. All in favor? So place LLC

pass some maps out to you. Good morning. While he's doing that, I'm Parkerberry on behalf of Sow Place LLC and with Butler Snow with me is my colleague Dylan Pittz. These maps are basically what what are already in the application that we submitted, but it just gives a better view of um more of a blown up view of kind of the area that we're talking about. So, and there's no deviation between what you've submitted and what

the only difference is that, and I'll get to it, is that the second uh page has a zoning map that is updated from the county's website from what we submitted in the application. Um it looked like maybe the GIS, the county had added a zoning 2025 tab which had shown changes that have been made to the zoning map um presumably over the past several years. They just been updated I guess maybe by CNPD. So it just shows um a more updated zoning of the area from what was in our application because what what was in our application from October was what was online that was the map at that time if that makes sense. I think it was just an updated updated version. So on behalf of S Place, we're here requesting a reszoning of the property in question, approximately 85 acres right there at Verilia Road, uh and Highway 22. Um it currently is zone C2, which is Highway commercial. That's um as you are well familiar with, you know, you could put restaurants, service stations, convenience store, shopping center, a funeral home right now as a matter of right on that particular property. as C2. We're requesting to have it reszone to I2, heavy industrial uh to better reflect a change in the character of the neighborhood of the area uh that has happened over time uh in that particular region. As you all know as well, there's there's really two uh things you have to prove to get a zoning change. One is that it's either a mistake in the original zoning map or two that there's been a change in the character of the neighborhood of the area and that there's a public need. We're here to demonstrate the second um on this particular application and that's we could lay we lay that out in our application and in the maps obviously that we we've given you um to show that there has been a change in the character of that area to go from C2 to I2. Uh first and foremost, if you look at what we handed out, you'll see the survey which is that the property in question that we're we're seeking to have reszone. Um but on the second page, you'll see that there is the zoning map

that I just mentioned. Um and the gray is I2 and the purple which is the property most of the property of which we're talking about uh subject today of this hearing uh is the purple which is C2. Uh you can see that the gray um is directly to the south industrial I2 of Verilia Road uh and immediately to the west as well and going to the north of this property basically surrounding it uh at least on two different sides. The property to the east um is the city of of Canton municipal boundary. So that's why that's all white and same color. Um and in fact, if you look at our application that we submitted in October, um those parcels that are north of Aurelia Road that are now Greyey 2 are actually not on the county's website as being zoned industrial. Um not not that it had happened since then, I just think they had not been updated. Um but it's since been updated and that's what this map shows uh that there's been um the county has shown and proven um by its adoption that further properties have gone from a to industrial right here in this area. Of course, our property is C2, not a and certainly not not residential. So that's one thing to show that uh just in the zoning changes alone that the county has approved over the past several years, this area is being uh converted into industrial I2 use by the county zone actions that it's taken. Um we would also show we put this in our application but I'll just reiterate it. Um the final map that's in there, this is in the application as well. You can see we've kind of pointed out where um some activities that are going on that area directly to the south right there. Gerilla Road, you have the the Madison County mega site, as everybody's all well familiar with, and the location um of the largest economic development project to date in the state's history with Amazon Web Services and their data centers they're installing. Um as well as um some other industrial uh property that Mikita has

um right there is right there to the south as well for further development. Um and so we would just show you how close this is and how consistent it is with that particular area for the industrial use. A couple other points to mention uh as well is that uh the county is planning to expand Verilia Road um right there at 22 um going I guess north what is that northwest towards the RV uh park entrance to three lanes to accommodate uh the industrial traffic that's already there and already uh being serviced for that particular area and in the mega site and planning to put in um a light at that intersection as I understand it Verilia Road and Highway 22 to to again accommodate already the traffic and industrial growth that's happening in that area. Um recognizing obviously the activity that's going on out there. Uh the RV lot that's that's there that used to be owned by this same particular entity s place was recently sold to a different entity I believe within the past year. uh when it was owned by Slaceplace u overwhelmingly 80 to 90% of the lots were rented out for for contractors vendors using it uh locating there while they're working on uh the industrial projects in the area um at the mega site and and the related area also at that mega site um as you know the the county's comprehensive plan was adopted in 2019 same with the land use plan much has happened uh in the county but in this particular area since that time uh Since then you've had obviously the mega site growth uh that it's located Amazon to that area the Clark distribution center the Amazon distribution center when I meant Amazon the first time AWS is what I was referring to um so since that particular time um even since you've last updated or since the comprehensive plan has last been adopted in the land use plan this area has further grown u industrial as demonstrated by the uses that's going on out there at the mega site um the county

reszoning areas and tracks around this one to indust to I2 or heavy industrial. Um and then the the road expansion and the intersection improvements that I've mentioned um to demonstrate and accommodate that growth that's going on out there. Uh I think that's basically summation of the application. We've given you the maps um on those particular points. Are there any questions from commission members? Be happy to to the extent I know any answers. Happy to answer them questions. question. Is there any opposition?

Come to the mic. Do I sir? Yeah, I ran it. I don't know that I've got the opposition against them. Sir, sir, I'm I don't mean to interrupt you. If you could state your name.

Oh, I'm sorry. I'm Vandy Saul and I'm not Sel Place LLC. that was my family land. But anyway, I don't have not I'm not knowing there's don't feel like there's opposition against this place developing. My opposition is is the county going to step up and accommodate them for what they need when I'm all around them and in the middle of them. The house that's in the middle is where my mother lives. Uh and I've got property around them also. Uh, I guess my biggest question would be I I've I've gotten some information by speaking with some others at the S what they call S place LLC and nobody gives information to the land owners around until it's after the fact because it's everything's kept quiet. Uh, I would like to I guess I' I've asked and I got the simple answer is nothing is in the is in the to go mode to change. Well, if they if y'all change that, are you going to have are you going to be able to put pressure and change me? That's the question I'm running in. That's the question I've got because I've got cattle on that place prop as we speak right now because I do rent it. I've got cattle adjacent to that property. And if y'all change that, I understand. I've spoken with Scott earlier and everything stays. Uh, as long as there's leverage, as long as I don't long as y'all don't gain leverage to where they can push me out, because I I will leave, but it's going to take a big check because I'm at home. But if y'all going to push me out, then I then I want it noted that I'm going to fight if y'all come back to push me out. And I understand y'all need to y'all want the growth. I understand the county wants the growth. It's

supposed to be for growth, but I'm at home. I'm And as long as I understand these, they've got a business to run. I run a business, too. Uh, so I'm just stating if y'all if something changes and y'all come to back pushing at me, I'm going to get upset and I'm going to get ugly. But I just I don't know. You're saying the cattle that you have is on the land that they purchase? Yes. That they purchase.

That they own. Yes. I rent that property from them which is it's been agricultural. Scott explained to me that once it is what it is, it stays there as long as it is. That it doesn't just because it's on commercial doesn't mean that the cattle have to be moved because it's been agricultural all of my life. And I just and I mean I'm not against I'm not against them developing and them going forward. But I just don't want the county or somebody else to be able to come back at me and try to push me out like everybody's already trying to do. I I've been people tried to tell me, "Well, you own this corner and we need it for the road." Well, I'm sorry. You had 1,200 acres across the street. That's where you need to be. I didn't come to your neighborhood in your yard, in your house. So, don't come to mine with the authority that you think because you are the county that you have the right to push me out. So, I just wanted to noted I'm I'm all for growth for everybody to make everybody's got to make a living and pay the bills. And I just that's all I ask is just to be aware that if this changes for them, I'm good for them. But y'all don't don't get to the point that you think you can come back to the neighbor and push him because he is well you're in the way of progress. No, I'm here first and I'm good for them to make their progress. But just that's all I ask is

their property is their property. That's right. Yours is yours. So that's right. Yeah. Just to clarify, that's right. If you look at the the survey right there on Brew Road, you'll see kind of a dip, right? Like a U shape. That's the That's the house. That's my house my mother. We're not We don't own that. We're not ask that would stay what it currently is C2. Our property is C2. I think we maybe leases some of the area. I leased that whole 85 acres.

I've leased I've leased that whole place that's been leasable for the last since uh they put in RV park, we farmed it or had cattle on it. But I'm I'm not I'm not objecting to their point. I just don't want the some the county to feel that somebody else come in and say, "Well, we need to take this for inimate domain or we need to take this for our growth." And I just that's all I'm asking just just to let it be known that I'm good with their growth. Just don't come after Don't feel like y'all got that somebody has the right to come back later date for me. That fair enough. Yes. I I I'm going to try to answer Okay. some of some of your things there. Uh as Dr. said their property is their property. That's right.

Your property is your property. Okay. Um nothing it if this is approved or denied or whatever happens today, that has zero effect on your property that you own. Okay.

As far as um renting their property, you know, for cattle or whatever, the county makes no stance on that. I mean, that's a private agreement between you and and the adjacent land owner. Um, you did mention um eminent domain or or some of those types of things. I have zero indication or idea that that's ever or on the table or in the thoughts, but that's not to say that at some point in the future the county or the state or any entity could come in and seek to take your property or their property or anybody's property out here by imminent domain. That that's a whole another matter. It's not even on the books right now. But I'm just telling you that's not ever out of the realm of possibility. They could decide that they want to come take my house for whatever reason they may want to be. So I just don't I don't want you to think that this commission or me or anybody else is guaranteeing you or your adjacent property owners that that will never happen. We can't do that. Um so I'm I'm hopeful that that's clears up and answers your questions.

It does and I understand that. I just But I If I didn't say something, then I let it slide. And I didn't have then I didn't have a a anything to stand on. Yes, sir. But I'm I'm I'm for progress to the point because the better progress it gets, the sooner I can leave. Yes, sir. But it's going to take a I'm not paying these prices I've been offered. So, taking these prices. So, but yes, sir. But like I said, for growth for them, I'm good with that. But as long as I just I wanted an understanding on my behalf that it did not factored into to what as long as like you said that is their property line it doesn't come it doesn't give you

I mean I I've got a city road to steal gravel figure that now but uh anyway okay I'm fine I thank you for your time any other opposition what just one point I'm done I meant to add is that this this proposed change is also consistent with the comprehensive plan even though it's for 2019 is One of the goals of the comprehensive plan, as you all know, is economic development. And so this this would further increase this the opportunity for this particular property for economic development consistent with the area uh for industrial growth. So that's it. That's all I have. Any other questions from any other questions? I entertain a motion.

So motion. It's been properly moved and second. All in favor? I. So it is. said the one arrive. Yes, sir. I think Mr. Skip returning just Mr. D is on his way. We have a board meeting at the same time this morning. They're trying to get that over with. So, he should be here very shortly. Maybe give him just a few minutes. Did anybody ever show up for uh MMC materials?

He's on the way. He's on the way, too. Okay, great. I know traffic had some folks held up and just about held me up. Dr. You want to go out there and just take a very short recess? Yes. Okay.

All right. At this time, we'll hear from the representative from Can you kind of angle it? Y'all want to come this way so y'all can see

it. Angle it so they can see it also.

Oh, okay. Good morning and pleasing commission. My name is Skip Jernigan and I am the attorney for the Madison County Economic Development Authority who is the petitioner here this morning seeking a reszoning of approximately 350 acres on uh Nissan Parkway and Highway 22 as set forth in the application for reszoning petition that we have filed. Um, I think the petition itself is fairly self-explanatory, but I would like to make a few comments to please the commission this morning regarding this matter. I I recognize a good number of the folks here in the room. We've been together once before on this matter and I know they some of these fine folks have taken off from work and I don't want to prolong this any further than necessary this morning. However, um the application for reszoning is to obtain an I2 zoning for this property. Um that's an the heavy industrial zoning. That's the only real industrial zoning that the county has. Um, and and I think it certainly goes without saying and nobody can argue the fact if if it please the commission that there has been a significant change in the land uses in this area over the last

several years. This piece of property is directly across from the mega site where the Amazon AWS project is currently under construction. There's also the Amazon distribution center there, Clark Beverages distribution and warehouse center there and a large number of electrical u you know sites to provide service to to AWS and those other industries. That original site was,00 acres. AWS and those industries have utilized every square inch of that and in because of that we Makita had to acquire an additional 400 acres to accommodate the AWS project and they have now utilized all of that. So every square inch of the mega site is being used and there is no more available industrial land on the north side of Highway 22. Um, you can see as you drive out Highway 22, the change that has occurred not only on the mega site and the adjacent uh property to the mega site, but along Burleia Road now along Highway 22. And um so that the change in the area as it relates to the land use uh is uh ongoing and is significant. As you all know, one of the most significant changes that's getting ready to take place for this property is that the county has led a contract to redo Calhoun Station Parkway. It's now closed, but it's going to be opened

up, widened, and resurfaced all the way from 22 back around to uh just south of the Nissan Parkway. And that Calhoun Station Parkway will open up not only this the west side of this 350 acres, but it will open up the adjoining 265 acres on the on the on the west side of the Parkway and that this property is on the east side of Calhoun Station Parkway. that is going to create uh two significant uh corner areas to highway 22 and CO station Parkway and making that extremely desirable commercial andor industrial property overnight just as soon as the county finishes that project. That contract has been let and they should start construction on that uh shortly. That in and of itself, if it would please the commission, is such a significant change and it will have a direct impact on the land owners that are here today to speak in opposition to this reasonzoning. Whether they like it or not, that's what's going to happen. The county did that. That was not any of Makita's doing. But it is going to create very desirable commercial and industrial property right there off of Highway 22 across the road from the AWS project itself. Um, as the commission is aware, there has been a change in a number of parcels in that area have come forward and asked for reszonings. Those have been approved by the commission. Um the highest and best use for this property now is uh the proposed

industrial development of the property and in that regard since we are out of land at the mega site there is a significant need for the reszoning of this property to I2. Now as the commission is aware we don't have any lesser classifications between I2 and commercial but what is proposed here uh members of the board is two uh two proposed uh projects that Makita has with two significant industrial uh organizations. They proposed to put a uh assembly plant on one and the other one is a candy manufacturer. Um none of those operations involve smoke, noise, pollution, water discharge, anything of that nature. Um so the economic development of those projects is significant for the county. Very significant. And it would further the uh incredible economic development that the county has experienced and create a a large number of very highpaying and significant jobs for this area. Um the in in our application for reasonzoning as you can see we have proposed and we'll file covenants and restrictions to make this enforceable and make it a a covenant running with

the land as it relates to most of all of these property owners live south. I'll be glad you walk right up here.

On the two plants we have, you can see that um that we in the comments and restrictions that would be filed for this property once it is acquired as Makita does for all the property that require acquires. There will be a 225 foot buffer along the south boundary of the property where the objectors and the land owners live. That's 75 yards if you want to equate that football field and that will remain in its natural state trees, vegetation and so forth. They'll leave that there as a buffer. There'll also be a buffer around these proposed developments in this parcel that is out parallel here that will be buffered around that. You can see how much frontage we have uh on Highway 22. And then you can see where the car station Parkway runs the entire length of this property down to where these fine folks live. That road has been closed. It's going to be open wid significant use. You can see that every effort will be made to protect their property interest by this buffer and other restrictions and continue file uh as they have on the other projects. It will actually be similar to what is being proposed or

being built over across the road in the site which is a technical industrial park. Um and we don't have that me that classification in the Madison County zoning rags but that's essentially what will go in in there and we submit to the commission that that's its highest and best use in its current state. Um, and it will be done in such a fashion as to be sensitive to accommodate uh the objector's interest in in not affecting their property by virtue of the fact that we're going to put in a 75 yard buffer along the south uh property line. The there is a significant need in this area of the county for additional industrial development land. We've used all that we had. Uh there are a few very very small parcels but they won't accommodate projects like this. One of the projects would propose to use uh approximately 150 acres and there are no other sites available uh in the area that could could accommodate this project. We would ask um that the court I mean that the commission I'm used to being in court that the commission uh consider this petition favorably uh in view of the fact that we will work with the land owners on the south end of this piece of property to protect their interest to provide this buffer that there will be no uh noise uh emissions pollution or anything of that type uh for these two proposed projects that may go in there. And we would ask the uh commission to favorably approve the

request for reszoning. I'd be glad to answer any questions that I don't opposition. Yes. I'll be very brief. Um, state your name.

Jeffrey Hawkins, 169 Hill Road. On behalf of uh my parents, Fred and Helen Hawkins. This application um I believe first of all is out of order. We never received any notification if this application date is October the 1st and according to the ordinance that the residents are to be notified. We first got notification of this particular project when this came to the board of supervisors. The application had never come in front of the zoning board until now. And if it is in fact that it was done on the first, there was no publications. There was no notices to sent to any of the residents based upon this application that they're coming forth now. And it says amended application. Where did the first application come for this to be an amendment? So this is by right out of order that this shouldn't even be in front of the commission until it properly follows the ordinance that you have in place.

Can we pause for a second? What ordinance is he speaking? Well, it's the M Madison County ordinance, but maybe I can explain that and please

for those folks too. So Makita did originally submit their petition um and it was this was first heard by the board of supervisors at their believe their November the 3 meeting. I will say that that's not uncommon for Makita to another government entity to petition straight to the board of supervisors. That notice of hearing was advertised in the paper for that November hearing. Um, at that hearing in front of the board of supervisors, um, they essentially tabled it to send it back to you guys for consideration. Um, that was readvertised on the I don't have the exact date that that was advertised. Scott probably can. So, it has been advertised twice. Uh, and as far as the amended petition, uh, I believe the the amendments from the original petition, uh, it took away a a portion of the land that they're seeking to to reszone. it reduced it um simply because as I understand it the current owner of the property would not allow Makita to place the restrictions that they're seeking to put on there now uh because Makita is not purchasing the entirety of the property. They're only purchasing the portion that they're here about today. Um so can't put covenants on something that you don't own. as well as the buffer that has been described here today. So, Makita has reduced the square the footprint so to speak of the property that they're seeking to resone. So, that's the amendment u the amendment from the

original application or the original petition being reduction in acreage that they're seeking and the addition of these covenants and this buffer that's been described. So, this went directly to the board of supervisors. This is why this is not correct. And it's it's so it's the board of supervisors directed it back to you guys and that was read.

Well, if it was directed back then it should be a point of them filing an official application for the reasonzoning etc. According to what Madison County ordinance is based upon resoning and planning. This is the first time we even seen what even is being proposed as a site plan which is supposed to be submitted with the application. Uh site plan is not required for for a reasoning. This is just a demonstr demonstrative exhibit. Okay. That that's that was submitted.

Again, I I still in opposition of saying that procedurally it's out of order. Thank you. This was advertised on 1120 reverted. Is it okay if I move these?

Sure. Uh, good morning.

My name is Daria Manning. I live at 115 Hill Road and of course I am in opposition of the application to reszone. A issue that I want to address is the criteria for reszoning. As already been stated by the gentleman earlier with Butler Snow as well as the gentleman with Makita. Although the in their application, the statements that they make aren't necessarily false. I do assert that they are incomplete. as a standard for the criteria that Makita has set for um resoning. It mentions of course AWS which is apparently the baby of the county. Um it's the darling. It's the driving force for everything. It mentions in this application um Nissan. It mentions MMC and although those entities are I2, it does not directly refle reflect the character of the area subject area in question. They're not reszoning the entire county. They're not reszoning the area of Anissa. They're not reszoning those areas. They're reszoning the areas in which we reside. As a litmus, they used one mile radius. They initially they mentioned that of course Amazon is less than a half a mile away which is true. Nissan is a mile away which is true. MMC is a mile away which is true. However, Nissan and MMC are on the opposite side of I-55. We are separated by acreage, farmland, agricultural land. So again it's not in opposition to anyone's way of living. What they did not assert which gives credence to what the character of the area in which will be affected by this project is that to the

north less than a quarter of a mile and Idlebrier subdivision there are approximately 29 residences and and and if we go if we address where the actual site is proposed site is where 10top subdivision and those individuals on Hill Road there's approximately 45 residences. If we go less than a quarter or a half a mile south of the proposed site, there is at least 51 residences, not including the newly erected Trails of Madison County uh apartment complex. So, there is there is this assumption that everything in the county is industrial, but not where I live. And where they propose to place this site will put this it although they're talking about creating a buffer that still will bud up to property lines of people's homes. So Nissan does not is does not share property with homes. MMC does not share property with homes. Even the great mega site does not share property with homes. So what I'm asking you to is to deny this because although there will be a buffer, this will change everything for the residences for the residents of this subject area. There is no benefit for us. It will bring jobs, but who's to say those jobs will be ours? So based off the criteria, I feel that it does not meet the criteria for reszoning based on the subject area which is the OJ Jackson Road, the Hill Road, the Cowhome Parkway, not to mention to west of the property where we where we were made aware that of course we know that there's Panther Creek and they're in the

process of continuously developing their northern quadrant. So it's residential. I understand that there is a need. There may not be land on the north side, but I'm pretty sure there's land other places. When I drive Canton Parkway between 43 and 51, there's land. I don't know who own it. That's not my responsibility to find out. But no one's on it. How much it is, I don't know. But just proximity to Amazon. If it's not Amazon that's acquiring the property, then why is there such a need to be so close to them to where it impacts us? So, so based off this criteria of the people who are in that area and what the character of the area is now because the the statement that it says the criteria does not ask what the the the and that's that's 806.03. It does not say what it will be or what the county is pushing it to. It says what the characterization of the area is. And as it presently stands, the area is primarily agricultural residential based off what it is now. I ask that you deny. Thank you. Anybody else?

Good morning.

Morning. My name is Roosevelt Ransburg and I'm at 941 over Jackson. You know, when Utah came in, they were talking about what how good and neighborly they were going to be. Everybody, nobody knew what changes would affect us. And everybody never know what what things are going to affect you until they affect you. Now, what I mean by that, my family made public the roadway. I'm just going back with a little history. And when they made that road public, you know how often we've had to fight, had to call, had to beg, basically as a citizen, you shouldn't have to do all that. When they took it over, they refused to even fix the road. Road full of potholes all the way up. The minute they fix it, now traffic going through at 60, 70 miles an hour. Ain't that something? But my point I'm getting at is they've already said they were coming in as a good name and they've already proven themselves to be very very vague, very little, telling you very very little. Just like Reverend said, they they they're basically holding back a lot of stuff. But the other day something happened. One truck crashed out on 55. And you know how long it took me to get from Jackson to home at 9:41 Jackson? It

took me two and a half hours. And you know why? because nobody is planning these things out honestly, sincerely, and telling you the honest truth of what's actually happening or is going to happen. That's what just the businesses that are there now. Can you imagine what is going to happen when all of these other businesses start moving in because of convenience at at the at our it's going to it's going to affect our way of living. You know, I I I just don't want I'm wondering how long it be for some of these people get in who are just running after dollars and then we have a 60minute episode where something has happened, seriously happened. And then they're going to look back and they're going to say, "What was happening then? Who was letting all this stuff slide through?" They're going to ask a lot of questions then and I guarantee you you won't be able to run. You can't run and you can't hide then. So think this stuff over very seriously. I'm just talking about how it's affecting me now. When they put the rest of this in, it may take four hours to get home. What if the school German town is right down the road? What if the school can hide all these different middle school? What if they get trapped from something that they're not telling us all the way they're being very vague about? I would hate for it to be read that 20 died in the plant,

but 125 died in the community. So, I'm telling you, think about this thing very seriously. Thank you, sir. Sir, I'm sorry. I caught your first name was Roosevelt. Ransburg. Ransberg. Rans Ransber. Ransburg. Thank you. Byebye. Anybody else? Good morning. Good morning.

Thank you for allowing us the opportunity to come before you today. My name is Nancy Pate. Um I live in High Subdivision at 122 Brown Drive, Canton, Mississippi. Uh commonly known as the tent top. Uh before when the gentleman came up here, um he spoke about uh procedural misconduct and your reply was that Makita County sort of does that. Well, we are all governed by laws in the state of Mississippi and according to u the ordinance, the local ordinance, Madison County, as well as the state ordinance, there must be a public hearing before it goes before the board of supervisors. We're guaranteed that right as taxpaying citizens, land owners, and homeowners. Is that correct?

Yes, ma'am. Thank you. There's a public hearing in front of the board of supervisors and this is a public hearing here today.

This it is, but it's out of order. This meeting was supposed to come first so that we could be heard. This could be discussed and uh we're not well, we're not going to go back and forth because I have the law stated here as outlined for Madison County as well as for the state of Mississippi. Um it's my understanding that reszoning in uh Mississippi is governed by two principles and those principles are the change in character and public need. Um I'm going to um I've been given the task of uh public need. um Makita asserts that there's a great public need for this area and so they've kind of been dancing around us um in their petition for heavy industry, I've noticed that they dropped heavy off of industry. Um there's not a public need because as I see things here, especially in this area, there's a need. There's a need to improve what we already have before we add more to it. Um uh contrary to Makita's stance, overburdening infrastructure is what's here. We don't have housing already to supply the people who are coming in. So that means that the tax dollars are actually leaving Madison County because those people don't live here. Waste disposal. I we're looking for places now to try to dump uh the garbage that we already have, which is an expense for this county. inadequate sanitation systems. If you go down Nissan Parkway, just as you get to the plant on the left hand side, from there on, you have to hold your breath because that sanitation stinks. That that not only applies for that area, but if you go down Old Jackson Road, right till you get before Church Road, it stinks. You know, it it makes it doesn't make any sense that we don't have proper sanitation so you can cut those odors down. And even though those places are

sitting off, they still affect us as a resident because those are the roads that we travel. Pollution, um, where's all this stuff going to go? How do we manage with the small boards that we have? How do we manage what people are doing? Because yes, industry is growing, but our elected officials are not growing. Planning and zoning is not growing. I had a problem out in the area where we live in with getting things cleaned up. And the gentleman said to me, It's only him. He said to me, "Um, there's so much going on out there till it's kind of hard. Who do you want me to get in contact with? Who should you be getting in contact with? Homeowners to get areas straightened out. Um, property taxes. That's another thing that's going to be affected. Of course, the pro the taxes will go up. Roads need improvement. uh the the landscaping needs to be done. Aesthetics needs to be improved. Um that's not a public need. And then there's a uh a disproportionate relationship between the industry and its employees in how do you pay a cost of living an increased cost of living that would help those employers who work for these companies that are supposedly coming and those that are already here so that they can afford to travel back and forth to these jobs. Rent is going up everywhere. That's just not in this area right here, but rent and housing is going up everywhere. you make enough money uh to do that and then there's the destruction of the agricultural laying around us. Um Makita says that they'll put up a buffer well with vegetation. Well, they came in approximately a year ago and they cut down all the vegetation that was under under the pine trees. There's no vegetation. So, do they come in and put in vegetation that's tall enough to minimize the noise? Because

you're not going to stop it. I'll say minimize the noise. What kind of vegetation are you going to put there that's going to be big enough where it makes a difference from the beginning from the the beginning of construction? Because see what you did with Nissan was you said you put up the buffers, but you didn't mention all the way through construction. People had to deal with that. Yeah, the buffer may work in time as it grows, but that's in time. That's the 15 to 20 year plan, and that's not good. So, um, we argue that the environment impact that is going to come, the the dwindling infrastructure that we already have, you talk about Calhoun Road as though it's angel sentent or sent by God, but what about old Jackson Road? What about all these other roads that need to be fixed? Uh, the law also says that there must be a a a major theair. 22 is not a major thorough affair. Caron Road won't be a major thorough affair. Those will be access roads and there's a difference between an access road and a ma a major theair. Okay. The other uh principle we talk about is the public need out in the area we live in. There are an estimated 127 properties potentially affected by the decision that you all would make here today. 60 of those propert owners reside in the affected area. 13 are owned by companies and roughly 47 are located within 160 ft of the subject property. We don't exist in a bubble people. Whatever you do in that area, if you're bringing industry into that area, it's going to affect all of us. Not just the people who are on the buffer, but the people who are down the street as well. How do you separate it? What do you put in there that says because my property adjoin is adjacent to that property they're connected. So you walk in to the neighborhood pass my property and go in

100 ft. So that noise knows not to go to those other 100 feet. Is that what we're saying? That dirt knows not to go to those under other 100 feet because Madison County Planning and Zoning and the board of commission says that 160 ft is enough if you put vegetation there. That's inconceivable. You know, we've been right now we've been I guess we've been in this dance for about a month and we've been told we'll be good neighbors. Our neighbors are not good neighbors and Makita's not being a good neighbor because they're playing a song and dance and we don't want to participate in the dance. I've lived in that area since 1972. I live right across the street from my mom who's been there. My mom has been disabled for the last 27 years. Uh, she's nonverbal. She's in a wheelchair. She's adjacent to this property. My mom needs to rest at night. My mom needs to rest in the day. You're not being good neighbors. And you're not being honest because when you address that gentleman about the uh procedure, you didn't mention that the law says that this must happen. So, all we ask is that you all be honest. And I want to say on behalf of those people who will be um affected by this in a negative manner and we're asking the board to look at the things as they are. Come to the area and see before you decide to make a decision that will affect our lives forever. Because I've noticed in some of the meetings people will say, "Well, I didn't know what you were talking about that area." Well, how can you vote on something that you know nothing of? negligence. All we're asking is that before you pass a vote on this matter and do the investigation, we're willing to come back. Some of us have time.

So, if this meeting needs to be postponed, extended or whatever, let's do that so we can do careful investigation because like I said, whatever decision you make, it will affect us as taxpayer citizens of Madison County for the rest of our lives. Thank you. Excuse me. Have some of you all met with Makita already?

We met with No, we we have not met. None of us have met with Makita unless they were trying to convince one individual or something. We're not an individual. We're a group and we have not met with them. Th this is our second meeting. Our first meeting was before the board of supervisor procedural misconduct and we're here today. So, no, we haven't. Even though they have it in writing on the things that they've talked to us, I have not seen anybody in my property buffer there. My mom lives in front of me. The house behind me, the gentleman over here lives there. None of these people have met with Makita. No, because Makita chose to bypass legal sanction procedures that govern Madison County on behalf of Madison County and the state of Mississippi.

Thank you. Any more questions? Lloyd Douglas, 179 Hills Road. What was that? Lloyd Douglas. 179 Hills Road. Okay.

My um point might be a little sidetracked, but for Mr. Makita, the company, you said um the buffer will be 75 ft from the nearest home. Yards yard football. But how wide is the uh buffer? 225 ft. So the buffer how many? It's ft. So the buffer start at 225 ft. Yes. So how about the road right away and run for 225 ft from the road. So if this was my home and it's 225,

how wide? So you have to give us an example football field. No, he's talking about y you all must speak in the mic. So So the whole thing is 75 yards. So really not no buffer there cuz her buffer is a distance from one place to another. So a 75 yard from my home is the buffer. How wide is the buffer? He would have to answer that. He's saying it's 75 yards. So So there no buffer. So two, three. So all right, moving on. My point there. No, there's no buffer now.

All right. I just want to be clear. I think what you're saying is if it starts from the home and it ends at XYZ, what is the buffer beyond that? How is the buffer? Yes. From the property line. So the total is 75 yard from my house to the buffer. That is the buffer. Yes, sir. That's my

So nothing in between that. That's just the the yardage 75 ft. Okay. As I was saying, you know, I've been out now 12 years. And the reason I bought this home because the um rural community, the quietness, the country area and my grandkids come down once a year to see the wildlife. Early in the morning, you can see the deer, the rabbits, the co whatever cuz they from Florida. We from Florida. They come in my house to see this thing once or twice a year. To them is amazing. It's quiet, it's comfort, no problem, no traffic, and everybody happy. And to say that um we should build a a manufacturer or whatever candy zone whatever going to be it could be any high paying jobs. Well the problem is who these jobs going to who's been trained to get these jobs. You know how they go. You're not trained educated for the job. You get the lower pay jobs cleaning up washing whatever. Amazon have enough job for us right now. This son got enough job for us right now cuz full of jobs. So to say we need more job without being educated to have these jobs is like being a dead horse. What is good out of this is to have them beating. But I don't see the bring another factory in a closed community where it is now. This will be acquired in rural what we paid for to have to lose it over manufacturing. That's it. But back to the buffer one day explain how the buffer work. I appreciate that.

So you asked you asked have we met with Makita? That is no. Now I've spoken via text message with Mr. decent and he he reached out to me. But on recommendation of the board and timing because because when we initially came before the board of supervisors, the initial motion and vote of the board on that particular date was for us to meet January 8th. The reason for that was to allow time for everyone to get things. You have have to understand talking de November 3rd we go from November 3rd from the time that I spoke with Mr. Dson via text I had a death in the family that's not on my mind secondly I'm one individual I have to get with individuals I have to schedule times I have to make sure that everything can coordinate which was from my understanding why Mr. SB encouraged uh supervisor Sneeed to extend the time before we even came before you based off the minutes and based off the the information on November 3rd. It was a motion and approve that we would not come before the board until January 8th. Some type of way we are here now a month Thanksgiving family moving. How do we have time? How is their communication? Which is one of the biggest issues? No one. The only explanation I got for how we ended up here is he misspoke. I don't understand that. Who misspoke? What was what was said that was and they can't answer that now because they're not here. But that's the information that I received when I when we received the notice on November 24th

that we were that there was going to be a public hearing today red flag window because I'm like no that's not what was voted upon in the board of supervisors meeting the board of supervisors if you go back and you look if you look at the video because the minutes aren't detailed so you have to look at the video you look at the video at the end of our section of the meeting of the hearing it was voted that January ruary 8th would be the date that we came back came not back but before planning and zoning because we can't go back to something that we had not been before. So that was at that meeting they established that we would come before planning and zoning. So the reason we have not met with them because one I'm I'm one person. I have not and at that time thinking that we had till January 8th to get past me uh dealing with the death of a loved one and get past the opportunity for people to get past Thanksgiving to try to get someone. We we we're hardworking people. Nobody got just the money to just go and just grab an attorney. Trying to get an attorney to make sure you have legal counsel, legal representation because these are attorneys. We're we're not as a breast of the the the the legal jargon that's in the ordinances. We need time to understand those things. And now we're here before you trying to plead our case and say this is why we don't want it. This is why. And to say, "Oh, well, hurry up." How is that fair to us?

So Andy, can we move to table this? You can do whatever you like. We weren't supposed to be here. I have a question. I have a couple questions. Um, and forgive my Yeah, sorry. I hate a microphone, but here we go. Um, so I've heard twice now um that it went before uh BOS, but they've kicked it back here. Correct. In order for us to make a decision to kick it back to them. That's one thing that I

agree with Amanda on. Second is I want to understand and um a little more. I keep hearing about the buffer and it is a concern. Um and my thought also goes to how we have to make decisions with not being the board of supervisors with being the planning and zoning commission. Those decisions have to be based on what is drawn, what the ordinances are. It the board of supervisors has way more authority. So I have to look at what's presented in the documents. I have to look and make sure that you know the needs are met there. Um I can't make the decision based on the emotionality of it. I wish I could but I can't. So um I want to Andy I have a question about the um the buffer. Um are we in a position to where a if we were to table this where this is a discussion where we look at the plan again and we say is this buffer sufficient and how What can we do to improve that instead of making a decision in a 30 minute conversation? And then if we table it, how does that work being tabled a second time? Because this is the first time we've heard and we've seen and it went to BOS first, kick back to here. So I'm assuming if we're going to table again, it would come back before us and we would have to make a decision before it moves back to BOS.

Yes. Okay. So I would like to table it and I would like to understand not by you, but more investigation about this this buffer with more um time to read through this and see what we can can do and then give you guys more time to have a discussion with Makita if you could do so. Second. Was that in a motion? It was. Yes. Okay. Let before we carry the motion, our buffer would be between them and Makita, right? Between who and Makita the homeowners. Yes. I think the

I'm trying to see if she's saying let us set the buffer. Uh let me Who who do who do you who do you want to meet? Who do you want to meet? And who do you want to meet with specifically? I would like I would like them have an opportunity to continue forward before January as they had initially planned and I would like to maybe have a conversation with Makita myself to have a better understanding. Okay, I think that that's fair. Well, there's been a motion. So, that's my motion. Yeah. Okay. It has been u moved and properly second that is tabled uh to further investigation at the question. All in favor?

I have it. So it is. Thank you. Yes, ma'am. We're coming back to you all again. Yeah. But in the meantime, uh Makita and you all should establish something where you can come together. Yes, sir. My name is Joey Dies. I'm the executive director of Makita. I've made multiple attempts to reach out to the pastor because he represented the community in the first I did. No. No. Who you said represented them? The pastor. He stood up and I just I'm speaking if No, but I just established that to me and I explain why I did. I understand. So to go forth to try to make it seem like I Okay.

May I continue? Go ahead.

Yeah. Everyone in this room can come back to Makita right now and I will sit down and I will talk to each and every one of you. I will make that offer today, tomorrow, next week. It is difficult to get everyone on the same plan together. Uh that road is about to be improved. Calhoun Parkway Station, it's going to be a threelane. Change is coming. Whether it's C1, C2, C3, liquor stores, nail salons, or whatever, change is going to come there. You do get to pick your neighbor. Panther Creek was originally at the board of supervisors meeting. I don't think they're here today because we discussed that with them. They had a discussion with me. They wanted to know if we could make it the technical industrial part because they don't want nail polar nail parlors and things of that nature out there because with industry technical industrial parks you have a set group of employees that come and go every day. Okay. With a convenience store, you've got people in and out all the time. So that's why they're not here today. But I would I'll be glad to sit down with anybody and and have a comment.

Do I do do I make a condition as to where they have to meet before a certain No, if this uh gentleman represented them, you could get a representative from each one of the families and what have you get with them so y'all could meet and that's that's understandable. But to put the person here, so to put us, there are different circumstances between the people of Panther Creek and the people of the subdivision that he's referring to.

People's time, their ability, who they work for. Do you not understand that there are some people in the area that just can't take off? There are some people who are making sacrifices here today who just so so so the number of days that they can take off and I understand yes she reached out to me but you had no knowledge of what my circumstances were. I was dealing with grief and this is not to use anything but here is my thing to to make the assumption that I just I did not ignore with with the understanding that we had time. What was the month of December going to be for? Who's to say that over this next week or two that I would not have met with our with our people? That I was not gonna I was in the preparations of meeting with everyone so I could give a call. But guess what? November 24th, we get a we get a notice saying that there is a hearing. How would how will we even move forward with that? Regardless of whether he spoke with us or not,

the rule is we were not supposed to be here. I don't mean to interrupt. I'm just I'm trying to come from a place of trying to unify the situation and can we go forward from today and figure out how we can have a conversation? Sure. And what you need to do is make sure you uh contact the director Scott. The next planning and zoning meeting is is the 8th assuming it's scheduled for that would be January the 8th. So anytime between

now Look, I'm I'm willing to meet at night on Saturday, Sunday, you you name it. Uh if people can't come because they're working, I'll meet you at 7 o'clock at night, 8:00, 6:30, whatever time and you know, there's been you just have to establish that communication with them because we won't be in that meeting, right? So once y'all uh get that together, then it work. at the office. Do we have to meet?

No, we can meet at your pastor's church or anywhere y'all desire. The reason that office makes sense because there might be some things we want to put on the screen. We got a big large screen where everybody can see it and we can talk through all the issues and pull up electronic. If we can do that at the pastor's church, I'm good with that as well. All right. Uh at this time, Motion to accept the meeting on the 8th of January. Wait a minute. Dr. Rouser, we still got the We need to come out of the public hearing and we then we've got the motion to close public hearing. Correct. So move second.

Moved and properly second that we close proper uh public hearing. All in favor? Eyes have it. So it is. Now we have the site plan. Site plan should be relatively quick. uh MMC training center.

Thank you. I'm uh Jason Buckley. I'm a JBH architect. I'm a landscape architect and I'm here on behalf of Mississippi Materials um and really requesting site plan approval for um a training facility that um that they'd like to build. That's Mr. Buckley. One second. Yes, y'all. We we've got another matter on the table and I'm trying to take down what he's saying. If if if y'all want to continue talking, if you do so in the hall, that'd be extremely helpful. I just make sure maybe I'm not close enough to it.

Give them one Give them one second here. Okay. Go ahead. Okay. Um, did did you catch the first part? Do I need to start completely over?

If you don't mind, that's fine. I'm I'm Jason Buckley. I'm with JBHM Architects. I'm a landscape architect. Um, and I'm here on behalf of the Mississippi Materials. Um, and I'm really here to request site plan approval for a new training facility that they'd like to um to build. This is just east of their um current um concrete plant facility. We helped them with the master planning on that. This is just kind of an expansion of that. Um it's roughly a 9,000 foot training facility. My understanding is it's roughly going to have plus or minus 50 seats. Um it's kind of kind of a pullth through garage where they can bring a training simulator in for like uh people who want to drive um teaching people how to drive concret concrete trucks and such. Um we're disturbing plus or minus 4.8 acres and roughly 41 parking spaces on the facility. Um that's kind of the long and the short of it. Um I believe if you had a chance to look at the um had a copy of the plans.

Yes. Okay. I take a motion. Is there a motion? Second. properly moved and second. All in favor? I have it. So it is. Thank you. Very good. Thank you so much. Motion to accept the next meeting on the 8th of January. So motion. Second. Move the properly second. All in favor? I. So it is. Motion to adjurnn. You got to go. I'll get your stuff inside.