Planning and Zoning - Regular Meeting

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Good evening, everyone. My name is Canale Scott. I am the chair of Planning and Zoning. This is our business meeting. It's 6 o'clock and we'd like to get started. I'd like to welcome everyone here. If you would, please stand with me for a word of prayer and we'll get started. We thank you for protecting us throughout the day. Father, we ask that you come and be in this meeting, get in our minds as we try to do the county's business. Father, we ask you to bless each and every one as they leave here tonight, not only the people here, but this entire world. My Father will be so careful to give you all the glory, honor, and praise. In Jesus Christ's name we pray. Amen. Amen. Again, I'd like to welcome everyone. As we get started, I want to let this man again introduce himself and what district they represent. Again, my name is Canola Scott and I serve as chair. and we'll start a little bit with that. District three. District five. And will you spend district four?

Melissa Payne's only administrator one, Tracy Patrick's only administrator two.

And we have one member missing tonight is Lee Mitchell.

represents district 2 before you started a little bit about what happened last night most of our recommendations will approve some with some additional conditions and the one interesting one I guess was on the group home We recommended that they go by what we thought was permitted use. They did not carry through in that manner. They voted on the original, correct me if I'm wrong, they voted on the original request and it was denied. So our recommendation was basically viewed. So they denied the the result request that was I believe the one in for the subdivision of r3 there was some conditions that were put on there that they're going to be single-family residents also think same single-family homes up there and not multi-family I Chris, do you remember any other conditions that were put on that?

There were a few, 1600 square foot minimum, a hardy plank of brick on the front.

Sidewalk?

Sidewalk, dirt and gutter. Right. So those kind of things that went on last night. Interesting meeting, lots of folks. We had folks all down the hall, whatever. Couldn't get them in this room because of Bar marks or restrictions, we could only have so many. They weren't able to use a code, but that code was still in session. But anyway, we got through it. I think most of you got your minutes from July 7th and July 21st. At this point, I will entertain a motion to approve those minutes. I'd like to motion to approve. Motion to approve. Second. Second. Any questions or discussions? All right. If not, let's send it back. Yes.

Yes.

Yes. Yes. All right. The minutes of July 7th and July 21st will be approved. I added a little something to the agenda tonight. The agenda has been made up. prior to this. I have asked a guest to come tonight to give me a hand and she wanted to take just a few minutes to talk about something that we're going to be facing at some point in here in Madison County as throughout the state. We'll talk a little bit about data centers. Data centers has already been a little bit addressed County that voted last night to have a 30 day moratorium and then after that they will have another meeting and determine if they need to extend that moratorium past the 30 days. So if you would, I'd like to welcome Wendy and ask her to come forward and give us her presentation. i would ask now there's probably going to be some questions once we finish it if i want to be respectful of people's time so if you have any questions for winnie i would like to talk to her please do so after the meeting okay um all right guys um i'm here as a as a person who's interested in the community but also i used to be on the zoning commission up in

up in Connecticut, so I follow zoning laws and regulations carefully. Data Centers 101, just to explain very quickly, what is a data center, what types of data centers, community pushback and moratoria, and new data center ordinances. So a data center physically is a secure building, not always a massive building like you see on television. It's packed with powerful computers called servers and that's one of the big problems. If you ever have a laptop on your lap and it's burning a hole in your legs, it's because the servers generate a lot of heat because the information that goes through the transistors creates resistance which creates heat. So the big problems with data centers is the components use a lot of energy and you need cooling to keep them from burning up essentially is what happens. And what else is a data center? It's the brains behind the internet. It's not just for AI. Without data centers, though, you couldn't send a text. You couldn't stream a show. You couldn't play online games or use AI. The types of data centers, there's an enterprise data center, which is something that would be used by a hospital or a bank. Some of them are medium-sized. Some of them are slightly larger depending on the organization. but it could be a school, a large bank, but it would be a private library, something that you would not have access to. Then there's co-location data centers that are like apartment buildings where they build a data center with all the stuff in it, and then that happens to be something that they rent out to different companies. Then the hyperscale, the one that you hear all about all the time, is a massive scale, it's like the thing that Google is building, or IBM, or any of those, it's huge, takes up sometimes several football fields. Here's one outside of Atlanta, as you can see, it is huge, okay? And they're building a few more that are even larger than that. Then there's the edge data centers, which is like a corner store. The whole concept there is it's a smaller scale, and it brings, data closer to the user. It delivers faster applications. So those times that you're downloading a movie and you get that little spiraling thing that happens on your screen, this would make that not happen because right now when you see that little spiral, that's a problem with all of the information just jamming through wires. Too many people are, you know, using those wires as well. So who owns it? It's the internet and the telecommunication companies. Here's a smaller, slightly ugly edge data center. They don't have to look like that. They can look neat and tidy and like if zoning is very careful, they can tell everybody who puts in an edge data center in their community to landscape it, to have setbacks and whatnot. Now there is community pushback on all data centers. If you talk to anybody about a data center, they just automatically don't want it. Data centers, what they do is they can strain shared utility resources. The property values near a data center can drop. Noise has been the constant source of complaints. There's not even a loud noise sometimes when the generators fire up. There's another one that's sort of out of everybody's main earshot. Instead, they hear this background rumbling that happens all the time, and it drives some people crazy, but other people get used to it. A data center only provides, now here's something, only provides jobs when you hear, oh, data centers are going to bring jobs everywhere. It's not going to do that. It brings jobs for two years for construction, and then depending on the size of the data center, sometimes You might have 12 employees or definitely a lot more if you have a mega center, but for an edge or some of the others, it's only going to be a very few bunch of people that are employed by a data center because they're just large stacks of servers and they need maintenance people and you know, and that's basically it. But when somebody says data center, they picture a big ugly data center with air pollution, light pollution, noise and infrastructure. infrasound vibration. That's the thing I was trying to remember before. And there can be water pollution, degradation, and depletion. The biggest issue with data centers is their massive unsustainable demand for resources, which strains local electric grids and depletes water supplies and may drive up energy bills for consumers. That's not always the case, though. They're working on making data centers user-friendly and also environmentally friendly those are some of the alternatives I'm not going to go into them but to protect the community throughout Georgia many counties are issuing moratoriums to temporarily halt data center construction so that they can improve their building and zoning ordinances now according to the state statutes and I looked at this so many times so if I screw this up I owe you dinner someplace in your favorite place because what I found is that no place in the Georgia state statute is there anything that recommends the length of time that you can do a moratorium for data centers. And also, they don't even require a public hearing. They say that it would be nice to do that, to let the communities know what you're up to. But as far as all that stuff goes, some commissioners in other counties just went ahead and said, all right, let's make it a 90-day moratorium and with a beginning and end date so that people could start working on their regulations and shoring up their regulations. More than 41 counties, it's even more than that now, 23 cities have enacted or extended their moratoriums on data centers, specific Georgia counties. I'm not going to list them, but there's a few there. And also Oglethorpe just enacted a moratorium. So specifically for Madison County, as with other counties, well, many other counties, Madison County does not have billing ordinances in place that would address concerns involving heavy industry or data centers. And it's really important to get this going because looming over the horizon, everybody's heard the rumors. that there are a couple people that want to start building or start submitting applications for data centers very soon. If that happens, when there's no building regulations in place and there's no moratorium to protect the county, then what happens is that that person falls under the regulations of whatever exists right now, which would be really tragic. The other things that people want to know, what kind of data center, where would it go, who's building it, and who would benefit or hurt, how would it benefit or hurt the residents of Madison County? Sustainability is the key. You want to consider the space and resource strengths of our community. You want to search for data center locations that minimize impact. and search for the most efficient data center designs, and they're out there, then you don't have to be afraid of them. Data centers are not necessarily a bad thing. Then this was the thing that I gave you guys so you can look it up. What this is is a sort of a compilation of all of the data center ordinances in the entire state of Georgia. And what that does, in a dropdown menu, say that you said, you know, I'm not really sure what we're supposed to do as far as Noise levels how many decibels are considered to be okay? What are the setbacks? How much what are other people doing here? You can go to each little box go to the box look at what the other and they'll list the counties They'll show you exactly how they wrote it. And then if you want to go even farther they give you a You know contact information so you can talk to the county further So here's what we know data centers are necessary to support today's technological commands If you go into Atlanta, every single data center that they built, you think that they're being extravagant, but 99% of the data centers are being used right now, so it's not like they're just building them and not using them. Data centers provide very few permanent long-term jobs. Data centers can lower property taxes by expanding commercial tax base, but sometimes the upfront tax breaks and that there's people, the counties grant other tax breaks that delay those benefits to the county. Land-based data centers are the current option, but they also face significant sustainability challenges. They're looking at all kinds of other things, like data centers in the water. But before accepting a data center into a community, towns and counties must protect its residents by implementing strict legally binding zoning ordinances and utility process. Implementing a moratorium allows local leaders the critical time needed to draft thorough proactive zoning standards. Pausing new permits for data centers in Madison County is not permanently blocking progress. It's about ensuring any future growth strictly respects the quality of life of our community. And that's it. Ta-da. Thank you. Thank you so much, Wendy. You're welcome.

I think very good presentation as to let us understand a little bit about data center. I think we're a little bit ahead of the game because the commissioners have heard others that talked about data centers and and they decided to put in a moratorium just so that we'll have time to work on something you know 30 days doesn't sound like much but it's a start because they have already said that they're going to have I believe public hearings and they're going to determine if it needs to be longer yeah you know there's not a statute but their court court decisions of course I have held that

A moratorium is a zoning decision subject to zoning procedures law. The judicially developed doctrine is you can implement it up to 30 days. But to go longer, you have to have advertisement, public hearing, per CPL, and then you can extend it for a reasonable period of time to amend your ordinances.

So do I owe you a dinner or no?

I've had too many. So the public hearing will be inside the August 31st Board of Commissioners meeting.

And I guess you're wondering why I brought it before us, because we're on a recommended board, but be aware, we're going to be part of it. It's going to come back to us. So we need to understand the pros and the cons of better service, where we can help write the appropriate ordinances as to where When, you know, you can't just say, well, we don't want them. Well, nobody wants them. But if you have the right rules in place, then, you know, it can be controlled. So, Wendy, if you don't mind, hang around. If there's any questions, I don't think we'll be very long. If anybody wants to talk to you personally or ask any questions, we're welcome to do so. Okay. Okay. With that, we'll move on into our new business. And at this point, I'll turn it over to Ms. Parsons.

Okay. So, Roger and Cynthia Warren are requesting to re-own a 2.02 acre portion containing their fund funds that's under construction of their 6.02 acre property from AR to R1 split the 2.02 acres out with the homes to gift their son for mortgage purposes. The remaining four acres will remain in the AR Loans and will be retained. Property is located at 278 Bridlewood Trail and Hole on Mount 14, Parcel 72-01 in District 1. So if you remember back in 2023, Mr. Warren re-zoned his property to AR to allow an ADE for his fund. So his fund's been building out of pocket working on this house, but now that he's reached the rough-in stage, he is needing a loan to complete it. The mortgage company requires it to be on its own tract of land, and unfortunately, R1 is the only zone to accommodate that lot size. It is inconsistent with the comp plan because it's in the rural conservation territory area and is considered spot zoning. And regarding road frontage, both tracks will have more than ample frontage. Because one comes off Lucky Jones Road and the two-acre portion does, and then the four-acre off of Broadway Trail.

Any questions, Ms. Bursch, on that one? What's that?

Meaning there's not a zoning like that in the surrounding vicinity of this property. Okay.

That's going to be a hard one. It's going to be difficult, you know, because they're okay with the... where he was building the home.

But... I think he ran into a budget problem.

Inconsistency with the comp plan is going to be a problem. But anyway, we will hear what they've got to say.

actually vote on it at our public hearing.

Okay, any other questions on this one? All right, number two.

All right, Gil Fitzpatrick is requesting to re-fone her 37.96 acres from A1 to A2 to divide the property into two equal tracts of 18.98 acres for inheritance purposes. The property is located at 1212 Hudson Rivers Church Road in Danielsville on Mount 24, parcel 58 in District 1. So, Mrs. Fitzpatrick does not live on the property, but her brother does. She's wanting to split the property in half to gift her brother upon her death. She doesn't wish to gift it to him now. She's just in the process of drafting her will and was advised to go ahead and split the property. She plans to continue to use the property for hay production. So she didn't want to go ahead and give it to him now, but upon her death, he will be getting one of the 18.98 acre tracts.

That is the right way to do it. She got good advice. Yes. And then... Never write your wills. I'll give a little unsolicited advice. Do not say, I want the east half of my whatever to go to whomever. Yeah. Because all the laws may be different when you die. Go ahead and get the plan on record now. Absolutely.

And both tracks will have ample road frontage. It is consistent with the comp plan and the rule of conservation. And there's no Cougar breach associated with this transaction.

Those are non-productive poultry houses.

So they only have to be 15 feet off of that site property line until no... I was, so it's 15 feet from that side property line. Had it been productive chicken houses, it would have to be the 300 foot setback.

How long would it be if it not be?

I don't have that in front of me, but it's been a while. And this is on her track.

So if we go back in, if we go back in production, that would be our,

I guess that's getting a little bit ahead of the game, but what I would say is that we need to put a condition on there that they could not go back into production center because they can't meet setbacks.

They have to be shot with a gun on their mind, something like that.

Don't need to condition if they start operation again, that itself would be a violation of the zoning ordinance.

So they have to come back. or change I don't you could try to move the iron you know I was going hard because during I don't make setback from the road either I don't think in the same way if they come back and start producing out of it but then they have to get a bearing um there's no such thing as a yeah yeah they can get setback

So there's really no need for a condition, but if you did put that on there, then that's when that's... Stop any questions in the future? Be fine.

Okay.

All right, next we have Gail Bell. She is requesting to read on an 8.78 acre portion of her 13.37 acres from A2 to AR for a standalone track. The remaining 4.84 acres will remain in the A2 zone to be combined with a 5.16 acre portion from her A2 adjoining property on Mt. 96 parcel 40 for a 10 acre standalone track. The property is located at 2337 New Hope Church Road in Comer. on Mount 96, parcel 42 in district four. So this was very confusing to get worked out. This had a lot of moving parts, a lot of meetings with the surveyor, but the overall purpose for this is Ms. Bell has an A2 zoned 19.71 acre tract of land that adjoins the tract that's being re-boned. She's splitting the 19.71 acres out into three portions. She's taken a three point, and that'll be tract A, a 3.30 acre portion to combine with her son's A2 zoned adjoining tract of land that's across the street for a total of 10.03 acres So a re-zone is not needed because it meets the 10-acre minimum in Baker Zone A-2. She's living out a 10-acre track, which is track B. And... Where's B?

I thought that was a 10-acre.

I'm sorry. Track B is what's enlarged there. Yeah. All right, so she's splitting that out as a standalone lot for a grandchild. So it will not require a revone because it meets the 10-acre minimum for 18. And with the remaining 5.16 acres, found in track C, which Melissa is starring here, she's combining with a 4.84 acre portion of her adjoining A2 track that has 13.37 acres that she owns just below it for a total of 10 acres. And since both are zoned A2 and it meets the 10 acre metal every film it's fire well but that what you're doing you really a or because the remainder track there are nine-year-old will be left well yes well that are where a moment I exactly a day in in one thing in that in acres that the red that is 8.8 7 a.m. and that's what we're having actually rebound from A2 to AR for that 8.7 acre standalone tract.

So since you're making, are we making a whole new lot? I mean, when you add this, is that a whole new?

Yeah, this is so confusing. Tracy had to call me and explain it to me. I still have a question about tract A before we get there, so. So what you see is A, B, and C right now. That's one existing track, the K2. The same lady owns a sort of horseshoe shaped track. Below it, the track D is the left side of that horseshoe.

Let's see if I go up here. Like, here's the one we're actually rezoning.

That is the plat. Right. And that is D, and then it goes around this way over here. It's not drawn in on the plot plan.

So I'm saying once you're making a whole new track, don't you have to meet the segment?

Mm-hmm. So it doesn't look like... Well, but B, C, and D, are we going to become a single track? So that line where it crosses the chicken houses will go away.

Right. Yeah, I know that, but I'm just saying on that right-hand side... Oh, I see what you're talking about. Does that even meet?

Probably not.

And that's why I say when you're doing a whole new trade, doesn't it have to meet with it?

Good point.

See, you're talking about right here, yeah.

Well, if it's not, I just like the other one. If it's not a distant chain, that's what it says totally.

But these are producing. No, they're not. Oh, I thought you said they were producing. No, they're storage. Oh, okay.

They're not storage. Storage.

The bag goes back to our other storage. Yeah, it says storage, but you said it's like on the license, 15 feet.

Oh, but that goes back to my other question.

Anyway. That's why they make sure that they don't go back to production.

And then the ADU note, due to the proposed 8.78 acre tract that contains two mobile homes that her daughter and grandchild live in, Ms. Bales will be putting the property into her daughter's name to meet the ARADU requirements because the stipulation is the property owner must live on the property. Yes, and then as we pointed out, the 4.84 acre portion to be combined with the 5.16 acre portion for 10 is to keep the two non-productive poultry houses from continuing to straddle the property line as they do now. Both tracks will have more than ample road frontage. It's in the rural conservation character area, and it is consistent. And the property was in CUVA, but Ms. Bells was allowed to take it out due to health reasons. So there was no penalty to do so.

Tell us about Track A.

Okay, so Track A is that 3.30, and it's got a Z-bar that goes across the road and you'll see it says Albert Lee Bell, Jr., to be combined with track day, road frontage 586.74, combined area is 10.03 acres. So that's why they get to say that they're both ACs. They're both, you know, or at least 10-acre tracks, which is required.

And you think you can create a new parcel that crosses a public road?

They've done so in the past. And her son already owns a track crossroad, and he just wanted to combine that into his existing lot.

Well, I understand that. So the question I have been asked a few times over the decades is, when a road is built that bisects a parcel, does that create de facto divided into two parcels, or do you still continue treating it as a combined parcel? I have researched it, different places do it different ways, nationwide. There's no direct law in Georgia on it. Madison County has traditionally said we'll continue treating it as one parcel, although I think, at least if it benefits the landowner, I think if the landowner parcel I've never I do not recall ever seeing a situation where a new tract was created crossing that already existing road that's the opposite situation a little question that you know do we not know I mean like you said if they come through the road yeah yes well yeah because the road was already there now you're trying to make

two sides of the road, one piece of property.

But there's no real law that's written anywhere that says... No, not in Georgia.

There's no black and white law in Georgia.

I don't know how they do it.

They're not worried about land use. They're worried about tax collection.

So not too long ago, we did approve one for Mr. Brad Moon on Moons Grove Church Road. He had acreage on one side, reeds on the acreage across the road, had it Z-barred to put it in a conservation agreement. And it was approved.

Can you read it to me?

What is it?

I mean, it was a county road. Mm-hmm.

that was off Names Grove Church Road. He had purchased property but needed to put it together for conservation. Had a minimum lot size requirement.

Now that didn't come through the planning and zoning.

It did. It was maybe like six months ago, do you ever take?

But he owned both the parcels.

Correct. And now this gentleman will own them.

At this point, he does not. His mother is gifting him this parcel. So it's not the same landowner.

So we are doing it before he becomes a landlord. That's what you're saying?

That's what I'm asking. Two separate people own them. It happens to be his mother, but we are combining two parcels that the same person does not own currently.

Right. Right. So once the plot's done, then she'll be able to accede it to him. I'm just, hey, this is all new to me. I'm learning every day.

It's all new to all of us, I think. I don't think we've ever had this before. I don't know.

So she needs to do it before she comes in. I don't think you can do that. You can't do something that's wrong. I mean, she owns them.

She doesn't own both of them. He owns one. She owns all of them.

Well, the only way this works is if it winds up in common ownership, so that'll be. No, that will be an interesting one.

So is that a condition?

No, I don't think it. Well, it wouldn't hurt, like Gerald said on the other one. It wouldn't hurt to make it a condition, assuming you want to do that. But that's going to be left on the AT, so it couldn't be that track that it will be. So a plan could be recorded showing it as a standalone right now anyway.

Do most counties, do the roads separate soon?

Well, I don't know what all 159 do. The professional planners I've talked to usually recognize natural boundaries as tract boundaries like roads and rivers.

Most of the surveyors look at it that way, too. That's why I'm just questioning the majority.

But, you know, It's not going to change what I eat for dinner or watch on TV. I don't care.

We'll figure it out. There's going to be a lot of discussion on that one, okay?

All right. Robin's head. is requesting to rezone a 12 acre portion of her 55.213 acres from A1 to A2 to split and gift the child. The remaining 43.214 acres will remain in the A1 zone to be retained. The property is located at 471 Donald Smith Road in Hull on map 26 parcel 25 in district one. And as I stated, she's just wanting to refine the 12-acre portion to give her child. Both tracts will have ample road frontage. It is consistent with the comp plan as it falls in the rural conservation character area. And the property was not included, so no worries there.

Okay. Has this already been split?

Was this a part of another... Donald Smith and Peggy Lee's rebound. Yes, and this is the last time it could be split because it is exhausted split. So it's this and no more splits can happen for three years.

And that's the original parent parcel.

That's part of it. Part of it.

if you're not sure you have to go they don't they don't make sure that you don't need to get that road is uh... well i don't know if i don't make sure that you're going to be there for another day the whole thing out that they're not for that

They're going to demo them in the future.

At least that's what they say. This is one of those where...

It only has to be 15 feet off the property line.

Like our attorney said, it doesn't have to be. I just recommend we condition that they don't go back into operation. Because people say a whole lot of stuff. They're going to do something and all of a sudden they do it. Anyway, that's something we're going to have a little bit about in our public hearing.

Ashley and Rebecca Bowen are requesting to re-own their 11.45 acres from A1 to A2 to allow a second home to be placed on the property as an accessory dwelling unit for a family member. The property is located at 619 Frankburg Road in Comer, on map 24, parcel 11, in District 1. So it's Ashley Bowen is the husband, and that's his mother that will be living there. There's ample road frontage, but no slips are involved, so it really doesn't matter. They will be using separate driveways, and it is consistent with the comp plan as it's in the rural conservation character area.

And you probably don't know this, but is he going to borrow money to build sticks?

Well, we tell them that in advance, and they're like, oh, no, we're not having to borrow money from them.

Because it may end up being like the old ones.

Mm-hmm.

Right.

I'll do it, please.

All right. Next up is Ronnie Prince. He is requesting to rebuild his 24.17 acres from A1 to A2 to split the property into two equal tracts of 12.08 acres. The property is located at 0 Terry Ford Road in Danielsville on Mount 50, Parkville 61B, in District 4. So he plans to build on one track and his son will build on the other. There's ample road frontage. It's consistent with the pump plan as it's in the rural conservation character area.

Alright, any questions about it?

Next up is Christopher Jones and he is requesting to re-mown a 6.58 acre portion of this property from A2 to AR to split for a standalone track and to re-mown the remaining 4.42 acres from A2 to R1 to split into one 2.65 and one 1.77 acre tract for rental purposes. Property is located at 0 Tommy James Road in Hull on Mt. 30, parcel 131-01 in District 3. So this, as you know, requires a dual rebown, the 11 acre tract and the 6.5 acre portion standalone to AR. And then the 4.42 acre portion is split into three tracks to R1 to place rental homes on. Road frontage accessed off Tommy James Road, which is a private drive that currently serves two tracks of land. He actually did a recent survey to combine two other adjoining properties that he owns to reduce the number of parcels it accesses for this purpose. I was told, I was instructed that it needed to be viewed that way by the county clerk. And if approved, it will serve four parcels. Since private drive was existing prior to the adoption of the 22 driveway ordinance not required to be paid. In addition, Section 58-186 of driveway ordinance states private roads serving two or more residents, all of which are owned by immediate family members, are not required to meet the requirements of Article 8. For purposes hereof, an immediate family member is defined as a spouse, child, sibling, or spouse of the child, sibling, or parent. And since he is leaving all three proposed tracts in his name, the ownership will remain the same. It is consistent with the comp plan. but they are in the R1 zone as they're in the South Madison character area. The property was signed up for the conservation program that went into effect January of this year. However, on July the 7th, Mr. Jones removed it from the program with no breach.

When I count this as six tracts, and all seven tracks coming out here and no you don't want to go to a coral come on a coral one two three four five coming off the rock okay oh there's a person up there then you got a kid that you got one two three One is tracking at 1.77, 2.65, and 6.58 on the Thomas James Road. And we've got Chris Jones right below it down there. He's coming off of it. Then we've got track two on the other side of the road coming off of that. So there'll be more than four on it. Scroll down to the next one. Screen right there.

So he owns all that.

I think it's on the site plan where I'm looking at it. Yeah.

So you're saying there's too many parcels on the right side.

Well, you've got parcels on the left side. On my left right there. That's one track, right? This one is, yes. All right. Then you've got one, two, and three up there at the top.

Yes.

That's three. And on the other side of the road, you've got two on that side down.

Here?

Yes.

So this is one large tract.

It's got tract 1 and 2. It's got tract 1 and 2.

I think that's representing these tracts up here. This is the next one. If you're looking at QPublic, this is where we describe it. The one in blue is the one we're rezoning. This tract and this tract, he just had a plant reported combining them on July 2nd. So it'll be this tract and this tract. This track here has road printed off egg cool, and they have a drive that comes in. And then this one has their drive off egg cool, and then all of these use egg cool. But then that's it. Yes, sir.

And he said he's going to build or is it going to be mobile? I'm not sure.

There are a lot of landlocked parcels to the left over there, but I guess we just assumed... Over here... Yeah.

They're on a different road.

Yeah, I guess we assume those have easements through the parcels to the left of them to the public road over on that side. You'd have to pull a few public and blow it up a little bit to see what I'm talking about. It doesn't matter. There's just some more landlocked parcels. Those are landlocked parcels.

If I'm not mistaken, when Me and Christina and Mr. Jones met. We pulled all these, and they have access from the other road.

That's what I was going to say. Because we were wanting to make sure that it didn't come up later. Okay. Yes, sir. Okay, good. I'm glad y'all verified that. I was still concerned that if you hadn't, it could be the possibility that we're accessing through the east.

And then we also went back a little bit to see also on this chicken farm to make sure it had access and then the parcel behind it.

just to be on the thing. Good, okay, good.

Further questions? Go on. Good question? No. All right.

All right, Melanie Hartman, trustee for the Addams Family Trust, is requesting to rezone a five acre portion of the property from A1 to AR to split for a family member and to rezone a 39.434 acre portion from A1 to A2 to split into two tracts consisting of one 22.217 acres and one 17.217 acres for family members. The remaining 28.336 acres will remain in the A1 zone for a standalone tract for a family member. Property is located at 2563 Adderhall-Rogers Road in Commerce on Map 11, Parcel 92 in District 1. So the intent for the 72.77 acre tract It's in the family trust, but the mother is still living. Melanie Hardman is her daughter and the trustee. The 72-acre tract has a house and a mobile home on the property. Ms. Adams lives in the house, and Melanie lives in the mobile home. She's wanting to split the property into four tracts. to gift her children in the future for inheritance purposes. There is one exception. The proposed five acre tract that Melanie is living on will go ahead and be gifted to her upon re-vote approval. The proposed four tract will consist of 128.336 acres where Ms. Adams lives in the site-built home one 22.217 acre, one 17.217 acre, and one five acre tract. Dual reed bones are needed, the AR and A2, and the remaining 28 acre tracts will stay A1. There's ample road frontage for all tracts. It is consistent with the comp plan as it's in the rural conservation character area. There's no breach from Hercuva. And then we do have, it was on your narrative that I put in a parent parcel note. Due to the property not having been surveyed in a very long time and the old class not being accurate, the surveyor, Barry Lord, had to do a new survey to prepare the attached site plan for the rezoned request. Upon doing so, he found out that a three acre portion of the property was actually split off by Adderhall Rogers Road. The three acre portion is shown to be combined with a portion across the road to create the 28.336 acre new track. See track one on site plan. However, the current QPublic map doesn't show the three acre portion across the road. We spoke with Owen Jolik, the county mapper, and was advised he could not draw it in at this time to correct it because there are no accurate deeds or plats recorded showing otherwise. But he said once the revone is approved and the plat gets recorded, he would then be able to draw it in And unfortunately, the Rezone Q public map won't be accurate at this time of submittal, but it will be correct.

So this parcel across the road does not exist. There's no plat or deed of record creating it, correct? Is that what Owen is saying? I mean, that's fine. It can be created, but it's now.

So I think the old deed was Adderhall Rogers Road right away, the way it's in the deed. He can try to draw it, but it's not going to be accurate. So he would be able to accurately do it after the platen deed is redone.

Okay.

So it does show Adderhall Rogers Road deed where it cuts the parcel. Gotcha. So it should be there, but it's not.

Okay. He just didn't want to get fed it to draw it. Correct.

Okay.

it will end up at the red rocker she's a crack war it is going to consist of a large or on all you go across the room you pick up that three acres and then it will go back across the room and pick up whatever a great ready leaving a little alley between the two why yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah but

well and planning but he's not for those but track one and what you're saying is track one before the roll went through it was all one that one across this road right oh and that deep it shows that yes oh I was just saying it can't be drawn out accurately because the deed is so old it does talk about the right way and pattern hole Rogers but it stops at the red

tree the red rock oh yeah and it's just not and a surveyor prepared this site plan I can't see who it is but very Lord very Lord and so so he's recognizing that being part of the same tract and through the road going through it okay okay so that's that's good yeah well that little part in the middle like that what's possible that long

you mean this little sliver right here? Trying to.

It belongs to track two? Mm-hmm.

And we did ask, how come this just doesn't go across and touch it?

Didn't get an answer?

They were very adamant that they wanted it like this.

Well, we'll give a chance to talk to them and ask them. Yes, sir. At the public hearing.

No, I didn't have a vision for it. You probably got it.

road that I can see that or yeah alright you for the word no that one all right number nine very lowered applicant for Dean Williams properties LLC is requesting to revoke the 115.967 acres from A1 to I to develop a 13-lot industrial park with lot sizes ranging from 5 to 21.120 acres. Property is located at 184 D. Williams Road in Commerce on Route 1, Parcel 41 in District 1. So the intent is to be located near the Mataco West Industrial Park. The development will front Dee Williams and McGinnis Chandler Road. Each lot is intended to have a separate building for each business. On-site hydrology and detention will be implemented on each lot. Road frontage, it will have an internal road to access the proposed lots and all 13 lots will have ample road frontage that meets or exceeds the 150 foot requirement. It is consistent with the comp plan as it's in the Mataco West character area. And then I just added a note, not knowing what type business will be located on each proposed lot that would be sold, we're unable to determine the specific requirements at this time on the analysis question. So it's kind of like when the IDBA, you know, they're gonna sell them off and don't know who's buying it. So they have to be done on a per lot basis. So the industrial requirements, if approved, will be engineered site plan, stormwater management plan, paid parking, paid driveway and apron, landscaping, off-street loading and unloading plans, control curb cuts and vision clearance, outdoor lighting plans, and I've put all of that in your package as well.

And this is right up there by the other industrial, I guess you call it industrial park? Mm-hmm. or maybe it's Madison and Jackson County.

Any questions on those?

Is it going to have the road, does it go through to the other, Williams to McGinnis, is there actually road frontage on McGinnis-Chandler Road?

I believe it does touch, yes.

Up here. It touches right there.

So in the site plan that they gave us, does that road look like it's going to cut through?

Yes, sir. Sorry, I was trying to zoom in so we could actually see it where it continues out right here. Okay.

Have y'all rode by that?

Yeah, I mean, the existing one that faces 98, it looks awful.

Please take a look at it. I mean, this is our opportunity. I mean, we're learning as we go as far as it is, and once again, we have to utilize what it is that we have, but I mean, you're coming into Jackson County, and this is the first coming in from Jackson County into Madison County is the first thing that you see. You see the back of buildings and it's not impressive. And I know there's both of the corner lot that we're gonna put a convenience store or we'd rezone for a convenience store. It doesn't look like that sale has happened necessarily. But I mean, there are several lots that have been developed and you're looking at the back side of the building. And because of the elevation, I mean, if you're riding, you're looking at the back of everything. is not necessarily attractive, and this is our opportunity to, you know, this is gonna be a cut-through that's all gonna be contained into Madison County to make sure we do something that we can be proud of, not just now, but down the road.

So, for example, you're saying that you would like tracks, the improvements on tracks one and whatever that is on the other side of the cut-through to

113 and get those to not and I know we can't do anything about the ones that we have but once they sell the property I mean we've all kind of danced around it here today code enforcement can only do so much and it's usually when somebody complains that code enforcement goes and looks at something and this is probably being a little nitpicky but I mean I just came through the other day and that's the first thing that you notice when you come into the county where do you do the first thing i know is the ticket houses well there's extra stuff that looks like events you can talk about the native like a um buffer barrier on the back side you know i'm going to go back and review i have not paid attention to i know we you've included the conditions that we put on to the previous one we need to take it in my opinion let's take a look at the landscaping for anything that is seen from the public as we're cutting through I want something, as we're coming through, to be proud of. I mean, you got a golf course on the other side or a driving range and there is a poultry operation, which it is what it is, but that's part of our job is to, you know, please take a look at it and see what you think.

Well, I think you want it to look like, if you go on down, coming back to Massacon, towards our, where that convenience store is, that business, right there, you wouldn't even know it was there if you just didn't live here.

Right.

And that's what you're saying. You want something of that nature.

I mean, you're looking at the back of buildings and the elevation is higher than 98. And it's just not. I mean, there's not any shrubbery for the most part. There is a partial drive that goes up to the back of a red iron building. I mean, it's probably nice when you go in it. I didn't go in it. I'm just on 98. But this is going to front two roads where we have the opportunity maybe to tweak what it is that we have to make it something that's up.

little bit more attractive let's put new these things that here talking about you know some nice camera we can make that for conditions or well I'm trying to be I mean part of it I think is when you allow it to be done without a binding site plan yes and so that's why I was looking at one in 13 and I don't know it well number one you don't know that that plan because it's just a blanket rezone of all of that it could be divided differently but whatever however it's divided the resulting lots they're running D Williams they could front D Williams or they could front the interior roads so where would you buffer me you put it be it would be on the road it doesn't front so I just don't know how you create those conditions all when the interior developments not him they'll we don't have any grading or or yeah well yeah I mean it if the interior is going to be a public road there you would have to meet paving standards all that sort of thing but all the one of the problems not requiring site plans at the zoning stage is that you cannot place conditions at the plant stage that's an administrative matter so it really takes that tool away from you when you just do these blanket results and then i will say to our current landscaping ordinance they can have landscaping and it looked great today when it dies there's nothing in there for us to send out for them to replace

Well, kind of like it looks great today, but then.

Well, I'm glad you brought that up because that's my concern. When we do these things in Madison County, you know, we want our county to look beautiful and people to want to stop and be inviting. But a lot of those things that we let go by and we do at this time, it's just like, you know, it's like somebody just put something here and put something there. So I'm glad you brought that up, because that's my concern about the one that was going on 72.

Looks like I dropped the monopoly box.

Yeah. Any further concerns? We'll be able to get into this in more detail at our business and public hearing.

OK. OK.

So there's two applications for Kevin and Nicole Bayer. So if you'll bear with me, I will read those out. Kevin and Nicole Bayer are requesting to re-own a four-acre portion of their property from A1 to AR to split and return and to re-own the remaining 11.461 acres from A1 to A2 to sell as a stand-alone tract. The property is located at 521 Whistle Road in Hull on Mount 26, parcel 79-01 in District 1. And they're also requesting a variance to allow a proposed 11.461 acre tract to be split that doesn't have the required 150 feet of road frontage. The tract will only have 51.65 feet of frontage, creating a 98.35 foot deficit. And so there's two that we're looking at. So he's actually, the couple is actually keeping the four-acre portion with their existing home. And they're just selling off their main 11.461 acre. So it will require a dual rezone of AR and AC. What's concerning about this is the road frontage. The property as a whole has 290 feet of frontage. However, due to the way they are splitting it, the four acre tract will have 238.35 feet of frontage and the remaining will only have 51.65 feet creating a 98.35 foot deficit. Now I will say the re-fone approval is contingent upon the approval of the variance. Both phones are consistent with the comp plan as they're in the rural conservation territory area. Now, I did speak with him. You know, of course, he would need 300 feet of road frontage. It's in a perfect world, and you have 150 and 150. But, I mean, he's got 290 feet of frontage. But he is not wanting... so you don't know how to make a job like yeah and he doesn't want to be yeah he doesn't want to be anywhere bothered by this evening so and I told you I said when you have a deficit that much you know it may be likely that it could be termed male because of the deficit amount that he wanted to push through anyway He has been at five, but still wants to pass three.

Well, the house dictates it's being narrowed back up at that portion, but it could come out in front to give a more equal split.

Right, because at one point, they were going to do it on the other side of the house. Why did they do that? The wife didn't like it that way. Oh, my God.

Well, they're awesome. Yeah.

If he wants all of it, he wants it here.

My wife is here. He's still here. You stay quiet. What makes more sense is just cutting here and easing it through here rather than there. But, whatever. What is the line here? The three times, the one.

that's only with three or more kids okay okay for technically that's in a minute mark so the large track will have a 50 or 51.65 finger fringe which is the 98.35 deficit or nothing so inevitably at some point somebody be dealing with that

flag locked for 11 1⁄2 acres that they want to cut up and do something with. But hopefully I'm retired or dead by the time next time.

Just retired. Okay, that'll be a...

This is going to be an interesting program here. All right, any further questions on that one?

Okay, number 12.

All right, Stanley Hill is requesting a conditional use permit for his 12.63 acres to operate a dirt go-kart racetrack on the property for commercial purposes. The property is located at 374 Adams Park Road in Comer on Mount 25, parcel 73 in District 1. So the property is zoned A2. It has his home on it, along with one-eighth of a mile dirt racetrack. The current zoning ordinance doesn't address dirt go-kart racetracks specifically. So at first we were going to view it as a prohibited use. However, we were advised to treat this as a recreational use development that requires a conditional use permit in the A2 zone under section 7.2.2.3 by the county clerk. So we are having to address it and that just simply states a recreational facility. We were told to move forward with that. So we started hearing about this operation through several complaints from all adjoining property owners following a practice race that was held in May and June. The complaints were of excessive noise, dust, glare from light, heavy and congested traffic, when they all and I did include all of those in your package so as far as the code enforcement we are we the old gene a effective immediately if we're issued a deceased cease and desist letter and it's still in effect today in mr. Hill's I'm letter of intent he said to expect a crowd of 4 to 500 people per event with 200 plus cars being raced at one time run races for profit for profit on Friday and Sunday there's setback issues track is only 23 feet from one adjoining property owner while other setbacks from property lines range from 600 to 800 feet. And there's the noise issues. It lacks any noise barriers, berms, or proper landscaping to shield the noise and view. In addition to carts, generators are running the light, which adds to the noise level. There's lighting issues. Lights are mounted on top of tall poles that reflect light onto other adjoining properties, especially the one with the 23-foot setback, plus being ran off loud generators. There's inadequate sanitation. They can currently only use two porta-potties on the property to accommodate a crowd of up to 500 people. There's no hand-washing station, and there is usually a food truck on the premises during these events. Safety measures. There's only a one-way drive to accommodate at 500 people is inadequate. It lacks proper fencing around the racetrack and irrigation poles. Four to 500 people constitute the major event It should require EMS and law enforcement to be on the premises during these events. None of that's been happening. So the county clerk tasked the Planning and Funding Department to come up with some proposed conditions. And if you will bear with me, I will read those to you.

A quick question before you do that. she wants us to come up with proposed conditions as if this is going to be approved?

Yes. Under these conditions that I'm about to read.

Well, first of all, my question is, he said commercial. Mm-hmm. Okay, we're at A2 or A1? A2. A2, and then he's going to do a business that's considered a business because he's going to sell So that doesn't even exactly apply to what zoning is in.

So... What they're traveling under is, if I can, I'm sorry, let me let you finish what you were going to ask. I'm sorry.

I just had a ball with me. It doesn't even fit in that area.

So what they're asking for, I think there's two things to look at here that it has to fit, basically. One is, does it fall within the conditional use as defined by 7223? That's what he's applying for. And so 7223 says, recreational developments, including but not limited to private or public fishing lakes, bait shops, swimming pools, golf courses, or driving ranges, or other recreational developments provided as site planned health department, blah, blah, blah. So that would be the first question is, is this a recreational development of the kind anticipated under 7223? There's also something called recreational facility that's separately defined in your zoning ordinance. And it's in Article 3, the definitions. It's only permitted in the business zone, and it includes motocross tracks. So one could make the argument at least that a motocross, that a go-kart track is analogous to a motocross track and would be appropriate in a business zone. But that's not what they're asking for here. And this might not be an appropriate area for a business zone in the first place. So if you get past that hurdle, if you say, okay, we're going to accept that a go-kart track is similar enough to a bait shop at a golf course to call it a recreational development. Then you have to meet the standards of 11.3. And Tracy just addressed a lot of those as being deficient. So 11.3 are the general standards that have to be met for all conditional uses. And it lists eight of them, which I won't read out loud. But just looking at the first one, adequate provision, are to protect adjacent properties from possible adverse effects such as glare, noise, dust, vibration, odor, electrical disturbances, or similar factors. And then to use traffic and so forth and so on. So as always, I'm sorry, go ahead Tracy.

And I do have that in your packet, the conditional use analysis, and it breaks down every single thing that Mike talked about.

But it's just, to me, the far reach.

Well, I guess my question, the only reason I question the conditions that she has written down or somebody has written down is that I thought that that was, and we can take her suggestions, but I thought that that was for us to come up with if it was true. If that is true. If we decide to approve it.

Exactly. But you can't do that on the fly. Somebody has to come up.

But if the committee wants to hear those, I'm open to that.

So the way this is working, and I don't disagree with this, is that the way this would work in a county where your zoning administrator makes a recommendation would be, they would present you two resolutions. One would be to deny the application for the conditional use program. And then if that's the one the zoning administrator feels like, back to the right course, they'd say this is what I recommend. However, if you don't want to just outright deny, here is a resolution that approves it with some added conditions that ameliorate all of these problems in 11.3 as best as I can figure out how to do it. And that's what Tracy's been charged with.

The other part of it that's confusing to me is we have not adopted noise ordinance in this county, right? Right.

We have noise ordinance. It doesn't have all the decibel limits and all of that, but yeah, we have noise ordinance. We do?

I thought we had a study on one.

We never adopted it. That's right. That was to have a more robust one. But there is a noise ordinance.

But it didn't do it as far as we can say, well, what's happening is above the noise.

So your noise ordinance is in Article 3 of Chapter 26 of the Code of Ordinances. And it says in the first statute, the first ordinance in that section, no person shall create or permit a cause to be created between the hours of 10 p.m. and 7 a.m. Sunday through Thursday and between 11 p.m. and 7 a.m. on Friday night, Saturday morning, and Saturday night, Sunday morning. Noise that is plainly audible beyond the boundaries of the property owned by or under control of such person. So we didn't have that. And this may or may not, his operations may be violating that already, I don't know.

Okay, with 11.3, this is in harmony with the overall pattern. So that kind of tells me that they... You're picking up on all of the problems.

Yeah.

So, I don't know. Go ahead and read it.

Okay. So these are, actually it was, any what they are and will it I'm okay yeah you are out there any any and we're actually have with by that condition and I think a lot of it don't take care I'll now and we are the jet number one middle setback for popular and hey from all property money for the right track 50 feet for all structures, 50 feet for parking. Now with that race track, being able to meet the property line setback except for the one that is 23 feet to the property line, that will require the track to be removed to be where it's at least 100 feet from that gentleman's property line. it would require the track to have to be moved. Parking, space size, the ordinance calls for nine feet in width, 20 feet in length, and 180 minimum net area. We require rail stops for all spaces, such as landscaping timbers or railroad cross ties, just something that's top of the wheel. We are limiting the hours of operation from 4 p.m. to 9 p.m., where he had it going from 4 to like 11. The letter intent states that races will be held on Fridays and Sundays. We are proposing races can only take place on Fridays and Saturdays, but prohibited on Sundays. As far as the port-a-pies go, The condition requires public restrooms. Women's and men's restrooms must be provided in ADA compliance. The number of facilities be determined by the requirements of the International Plumbing Code and Georgia Amendment. Ported toilets are prohibited. The outdoor lighting, which now, as I said, is up on high poles and just and runoff generators. So they must be ran from a permanent electrical service, no generators. And the lighting must be arranged so that light is reflected away from adjacent properties and streets as required by section 6232 of the zoning ordinance. We are initiating a 50-foot buffer around the perimeter of the property. additional berms and evergreen planting along the side closest to the neighboring residence. Evergreen plantings must have a five-year growth height of at least eight feet. We are requiring fencing to be enclosed around the racetrack that must be four feet high. And then we're requiring fencing for the irrigation pond with a four foot high chain link fence. If there's children on the property, they can fall in that pond, so we are requiring fencing. As far as noise management, we are stipulating unaltered factory mufflers are required on all carts, so they can't be souped up to run louder. And as part of dust control, the track must be watered for dust to control every other heat. Food trucks must meet health department requirements. And the last is safety measure requirements. No fuel or alcohol to be sold on premises. Grandstand must be inspected by fire marshal. Driveway must be widened to 24 to 28 feet to allow for two-way traffic in the event of an emergency. With expected crowds of up to 500 people at one event, this constitutes as a major event and requires EMS and law enforcement to be on the scene at all times. This arrangement must be submitted and approved by the EMS director and sheriff. hey that was what we can come at me and I'll yeah but I want people are going to be in the park place hey yeah can I hear feel I can feel that my part in the but I'll not look for people yeah you know he's already running race yeah he's been having practice races and He's very perturbed that he's got to do anything at all.

All right, any further questions on this? Chairman, you spoke about potentially putting them first on the agenda. Yeah, I was going to bring that up. I was going to bring that up. Guy has a request. Is there any reason that this could not be first?

One of the complainants is a quadriplegic, and so he doesn't want to wait around to the end if possible, and I think it would be good to have him here. I've met him. This is Roswell's brother, who is also bordering on this property. And so it would be good to have him here and, you know, obviously it's difficult for him. He doesn't want to be here a long time. So if he could, I'm going to make a video just in case he can't make it because he can change from day to day with him. But if that's possible.

Is there any reason, I mean, any rhyme or reason as to how these had to appear?

Mm-mm.

Mm-mm. Thank you.

say agenda item 12 was heard first.

Okay. Or we can move it to agenda number one.

Okay, yes.

I have a question about going backwards to item number one. Is there any way that this may fall under hardship?

No, we don't have a variance for block size.

Is that number one? I'm talking about where the guy who's trying to build his house, and he still wants to create a two-acre R1. He wants to create it separately because he has to now get a loan. He just ran out.

So what do you want to do by calling it a hardship? I don't.

I'm one of those that's focused, but I think we've gotten out of control of hardships.

There's only two places in your zoning ordinance that a hardship is mentioned. One is for a temporary dwelling for a medical caretaker, and the other is a hardship variance, but that is very limited in its application. We usually administrative variance because it's much broader. You don't get to just write any rule saying I got a hardship.

I would say the ORBIS does not provide for that.

But it does.

It does provide for that. Because the reason I ask is they come in here for poster houses and it's a hardship because it's variance. Well, you know, to me, this is more of a hardship to do that because, you know, he's stuck because he's building something and now he can't complete it. But anyway, you asked my question. That's my question. Well, hang on for a second. I didn't know my wife was going to have dinner ready this morning. I've got to drive fast. Right.

And that's my argument, too.

anyway anything else for me to come before tonight I do have some announcements um so the data center uh moratorium for the 30 days was voted on by the planning council last night um yeah board of commissioners then the board of commissioners will have a public hearing on august 31st for a six-month extension, but the PNZ won't vote on this at all. It'll just be Board of Commissioners. I just wanted to let you know that during the moratorium, the zoning department has been tasked to research, draft, and propose an ordinance for data centers. So we're having to look into that. Also, the UDC adoption, The planning and zoning is about to happen. The planning and zoning will be discussing it at your September 1st meeting, and it will be voted on at your September the 15th meeting. The Board of Commissioners will vote on it, on the adoption on October 26th. So I did want to let you know, on August the 27th, which is on the Thursday, CCL is going to do a presentation to the 4th and an open house for a special call meeting starting at 5. But I'm going to have to get the details now down from Christina to see what time you guys will need to be there. But it's on a Thursday. And there's going to be a special call meeting for August 27th. I will be getting the UDC printed out for you guys. I've got to order a few more notebooks. Or if y'all want to use your same notebook, we'll take the old vulnerable artists out.

Well, you're assuming this will be passed.

Yeah, they're just ready to move forward with adoption. But do note that there's going to be several text amendments added to it because a lot of it, some points addressed earlier on were not reflected in the revision. And there's just, I've already read through several things that just doesn't match. anybody who's going to be just going to be a new version before it's at all exactly yeah okay well now I mean it's going to be adopted and then we're going to have to make a minute oh yeah I just want to let you guys know that there will be an email on 27th and we're going to vote on it when we're going to be presented with it and then we're going to vote on it on September 15th And I can go ahead and email y'all a copy if you want to be looking for it. Yes, please. That is not a problem. But I know I like to have a printed copy to highlight me. And then also on the Stanley Hill condition, most of that came from the UDC. So a lot of that is in the UDC and how they would handle it. So a lot of those conditions that were recommended came from the UDC. The setbacks and all of that good stuff.

Is the data center...

It is briefly touched in the EDC.

Are we going to use CPL to guide us in that? I would hope so. That's something the commission is about to do.

But it does briefly touch on it, which is kind of good. At least it talks about it.

Well, my feeling on the... Hold on. I'll just wait on that. I'm just standing here. I'll just wait.

going through our lessons. Yes, ma'am.

Yes, thank you. I appreciate it. I know you're wanting to go. I just, Wendy sent me back in. She could not stay. She had to give her cat an injection. Okay. She is, okay. The data centers are knocking at our door. They are in our backyard. They are coming. And there's already talk of some things that have happened I won't get into. Time is of the essence. We do need to get these ordinances worked on within a 30 day period of time as much as possible and have that extension. Please recommend that to the board. The number one thing of course I know that you've heard is a drain on resources. Water is our number one issue, and that is the number one thing they need to operate. If they don't have water, they can't cool those generators and the things she was talking about. We can mitigate this by zoning, planning, ordinances, coding, water management, and limiting what we will allow to come into our communities. If we are approached with the first data center she showed us, they're not intrusive. That would be very, if we had to have one, that would be our best choice. So if we can make those ordinances to fit into that pocket, that would be good. That is what the community is looking for. There is also talk that they are getting grandfathered in the power plant permits to expedite a data center coming into that location before we can do anything about it. Pitchforks will be had at your doors from the community if that happens. So I am imploring you to not take this lightly, to get on it. You can copy and paste what those other counties have done. and put them into your restrictions and regulations. You don't have to start from scratch, and that's the good thing. It's been written and adopted by other counties. Look at those that Wendy suggested, copy and paste them into your suggestions. If zoning on this, and I just heard all of you say they don't meet this ordinance or this code or this, make that possible for us to have control of our community For the data center, that's all we're asking. You know, nature is a proof of God's existence. I do not want to be a part of destroying the existence of God by depleting our resources.

Okay.

Thank you.

Well, thank you very much. Thank you very much. We appreciate it. I felt like it was important for this group to hear about data centers, Is it understood that this is a recommending board only? Absolutely. Please make sure of that.

We volunteer our time. Make sure you push it up the tree. We are.

We are. And that's why we're here. And I'm here and Wendy wanted to be here to help you with those recommendations so that the county and the community knows you're behind them and you stand with them on this. We are not totally against them. We want to mitigate it.

they might need your input on some of the regulations.

Well, Wendy is more than happy to help you. She is more than happy, and she has got the credentials to do it. I do not. I'm just a little old lady from the country who loves you. I have a lot of time to research things. I have a big mouth and legs to stand on. Thank you so much.

Thank you so much for being interested in New York County. And if more people would like that, you know, we... We live in America.

Thank you, Mr. Scott.

Thanks so much. Thank you. Anything else? If not, I'll make a motion to approve. We're adjourned.

Do they have a second?

Yes. William. William. All those in favor, aye. Aye. We're adjourned.

Okay.