Bza Meeting - Regular Meeting

e e e uh like to call to order of the Macedonia Planning Commission public hearing for March 17th 2025 uh we get a roll call Mr Westbrooks here Mr Wallen Hurst here Mr Cox here Mr Roberts here miss musky here all right the first and only item on the agenda for the public hearing is uh conditional use approval to operate a business with outdoor storage in An Li limited industrial district located at 9270 Valley View Road is there anyone here from the public that wishes to speak for or against this item all

right well since we're a couple minutes in and might as well get yeah anyone make a motion meeting anyway want to make a motion to close the public hearing I move to close the public hearing I'll second it all right all in favor I'd like to move into the regular meeting um but I want to make sure the first is anyone from Omega painting here is that anyone none of you guys crap what about uh audio Nova is there you're the you're the one maybe is a big deal Brian if we to take something out of order you can just um amend the agenda to um you're going to go right into the meeting and the public hearing was known here for public hearing and then resulting you're going into the regular meeting and adjusting the schedule accordingly to take the second case third case fourth case until the first case comes and you'll go back to that okay does that need to be some sort of official motion I'd like to make a motion as stated by Mr France okay inad of repeating all that is there a second I'll second all right all in favor all right uh then I will call to order the regularly scheduled Macedonia Planning Commission meeting for March 17th uh can we get another roll call sure Mr Westbrooks here Mr Roberts here Mr Cox here Mr Wallen Hurst here miss musky here all right first is approval of the Fe 10th uh meeting minutes anybody have any corrections additions deletions I move we approve as submitted all right I'll second it all in favor I all right then we will start

with agenda item number two which is audio Nova 640 Easter roal Road come on up find my stuff there we go everything yes yeah good uh Kathy Clark a sliding 1260 more Road Avon all right application's pretty straightforward so unless you want to say anything special you could jump into uh Mr Francis review and comments on that uh thank you Mr chair my report is dated February 28th uh request by a NOA for signage um this is for 640 East War Road excuse me Unit C uh the existing um signages for that's there currently is for physician Hearing Centers and so this is uh presumably a just a new new brand Rebrand okay Rebrand and so they want to get their signage up this would be two wall signs um some window signage SL door decals and um so in terms of the area of the sign uh section 11793 F2 permits 2 square ft of sign area for every lineal foot of um tenant Frontage tenant Frontage is just about 30 ft so just under 60 square ft of signage is permissible um the two wall signs in total is about 20 just a little over 21 Square ft so no issue there in terms of the area um window signage can't exceed 25% of the total glass area the ground floor Windows um includes the proposal includes white vinyl lettering green lines on the glass on all three doors um we have the glass area which is about

16.68% Square ft of door signage but um we don't have any of those Dimensions so we just need that information the so what the decals are the square footage and then what the sare footage of that green I think it's a green like Dash presumably as part of the just the logoing or brand branding um just to confirm that it complies with that area limitation of the 4.17 square ft and then um there's several colors uh for the sign Holly green lime green apple green a lot of green white and black um because it is an outlot it's not subject to the color scheme of the commons um but uh the planing commission can approve that the colors even if it were subject to the commons you have the ability to approve uh colors based on an amendment we did to the common um sign criteria so that's just a an issue of um approving that so we have the need to know what the dimensions are square footage wise and I think you can approve it subject to um you can approve the colors but the issue that I I had that's most um sort of I think Germain for discussion is that the uh wall sign itself is being proposed as flat cutout letters on a backer as opposed to raised dimensional lettering which is um what most of the signs in the Commons use what we've approved recently with um all the requests we see particularly in the um Town Center District so my recommendation would be to use um dimensional letters as opposed to that flat cutout lettering on a on a white back or and I can answer any questions that the commission may have is that something they would be able to uh to do the the dimensional

yeah I think the way they designed it was because the previous one was just flat letters on the building so I think they just were going with the same look basically um dimensional meaning like raised letters raised okay um but they can just be non-lit and everything yeah the same way you could do it the same way just not putting it on a backer and making them flat oh you don't want the backer though unless you absolutely have to have it okay um I don't know what your you know what the Mel surface is if you do a backer you might I don't know that any of those are they on backers those other ones I don't feel like they are doesn't no doesn't appear to be yeah I think it's kind of like a white panel that's on the front yeah I feel like shine yeah I feel like like Key Bank is attached and the attach directly like mounted to it yeah yeah that would be my recommendation just be consistent okay so we can do away with the backer and just do the dimensional letters i and that's up to the commission but that would be my recommendation okay and I do not have the sizes of the graphics I didn't realize they weren't on there so we you get that for you yeah and I I'd say that um provided you comply with the 25% limitation the Comm could if they were so inclined to approve it subject to right and if you exceeded that they wouldn't be able to do anything with it anyhow you'd have to go to the board of zon appeals okay so that way you don't have to come back to the commission if they were amable to that approach is it 25% for each store it's total total 20 have any questions or comments we approve it subject to administrative approval that of yeah I think yeah we could do that for the for the the uh 25% right and then the color

and then also uh with the raised dimensional letters right um I think colors we don't specifically have to mention because of the outlaw or should we it's it's in you I mean I would just include it in your approval since it is in the Commons um even though it's Exempted in the Criterion I just there on the side of caution so at least you recognize that it was they were approvable colors or you can be silent whatever you prefer okay I'm fine with the color goe okay make a motion to approve uh with changes that uh dimensional lettering will be provided as requested in Mr France's memo as well as administrative uh confirmation of the percentage of cover of the doors and note that we are uh find the the three different types of green uh acceptable on the sign i' second that motion all right any other discussion Mr chair I believe I heard in your motion you would Express non-lit dimensional letters yes thank you for clarifying my all right is there any more all right all in favor iose all right thank you appreciate it thank you all right so do we go back to one I think couple people walked in so hope so check is there any is there someone here from UHA painting Omega painting is that you guys all right we started early so we when you were here we thought we'd come back to you just to keep it moving we got a long address if you'd like to come on

[Applause] up if we didn't worry you that we just totally blew past you we just we thought ah we were done with the public hearing early so we just wanted to move on [Applause] uh can we get your names for the record okay all right John ke all right okay so uh want to make some well I guess there there's a couple of things right yeah well I guess uh the outdoor storage the site improvements and the signage at 9270 Val um you can either if you want to give any overview or we could jump into Mr France's comments on the plan and then discuss it from there it's up to you if you want to give any kind of you know uh discussion on it to start out um yeah sure okay um we're a small business we do a lot of work for a lot of companies around here so um we have a shop in Cleveland on West 130 the Brook Park on the Cleveland side and um it was time for us us to grow a little bit so I do a lot of work around here and I saw that building for sale and I made a deal with the uh my realtor made a deal with her realtor the the lady uh the owner the original owner died so the lady took over his wife and um we made a deal and uh right now we're just fixing it up inside painting the walls painting the ceilings poxing some floors putting some shelving up uh some block windows um I added on the side I

got a permit for that um I'd like to extend the parking lot to the front of the building which the city allows me and um put some kind of solid solid fencing up there so um we beet City Cod you know in case we do Park anything in a parking lot which we which which I will park stuff in a parking lot because I bought a small building with a big parking lot to use the parking lot so I mean I'm going to use it you know and just want to be you know honest I am going to use the parking lot so whatever we got to put in front we will if we got to invest the money to to block it with uh a brick wall a nice fence in front whatever you guys recommend is that with the outdoor storages mainly just Vehicles yeah I um I got um they don't stay all the time we work we go to a job right the equipment goes with it you know and see I I my sometimes we leave it at the job site depends on where it is we've been robbed you know I have a a very extremely small company it's me and like three guys and over the years I invested a lot of my my money into equipment and trucks and I designed each one of my trucks that this truck is for this kind of job this this truck is for that kind of job this truck is for that kind of job and I have a lot of trucks okay but they're all five-star trucks nice looking brand new trucks you know nice looking brand new trucks and um this truck might leave tomorrow that truck might leave Wednesday this truck might leave Thursday but and I going to split the trucks up I'm still going to keep my other shop yeah but I'm going to split it up I'm going to have half of my equipment here and half of my equipment in Cleveland which you know Cleveland's getting so bad right now with the um crime and you call the police and they don't even show up that's another reason why I bought this building because of that

situation that's unfortunate yeah they don't show up but they know how to collect your property taxes you know but um so whatever kind of wall we got to put up in front I got no problem with that okay solid brick wall in front all right well Mr France if you'd like to go through your comments and thoughts and then we have some more discussion sure my report is dated uh February 27th for 9 270 value View Road and to request for a conditional zoning certificate the property uh being in the limited industrial district one acre in size um and the request again on an application date of February 13 2025 so taking a look at the request um the the business itself the office portion of the the business is acceptable in The Limited industrial district the issue is within that District you can't have outdoor storage so I I like to understand as you described you said equipment in trucks a lot of trucks um so if they're you know uh passenger type Vehicles if they're F-150s that kind of thing um that's not an issue but if it's scaffolding and equipment for painting can you explain what the what what equipment is that would be stored outside all of my equipment is back everything all of my equipment is stored in my trucks my box trucks my Vans inside um any loose stuff like scaffolding will be inside the building ladders will be inside the building um but basically just trucks and you know some small trailers that my trucks pull uh enclosed trailers or uh there is two there right there not right yes with with spray pumps inside and um so forth

painting painting painting painting equipment and and then you have some non-enclosed trailers so just like pull behind trailers that and will things be stored on the on the trailers as well will things be stored on there no yeah no on stored on so what goes on the trailers that aren't inclosed right now I have one trailer there it's completely empty there's nothing on it um I use it for heavy stuff that's basically it and I barely use it no no compression so what you're testifying to this evening is you don't have any equipment that's going to be stored outside Just Trucks yes trucks Just Trucks enclosed trailers and one non-enclosed trailer that has nothing on it I do have an escavator on site because I'm hopefully I can get the permission by you guys to extend the parking lot to the front of the building and I was going to use that to to do that job but that's just a temporary yeah that's just temporary sir yes grader wouldn't be able to stay not in this zoning District I could take that to my Cleveland shop once I'm done yeah um but no other no you know no scaffolding no you know equipment that's I have a dumpster out there now for the construction yeah dumpster yeah he's very organized but there's not like pallets of paint like that you know and he also all my paint I store in Cleveland first of all I'll probably have very little paint over here I think if you drive d by anyways you he can have everything backed in because he backs everything in he likes to pull out you know so you're probably going to see the front of the vehicle anyways am I wrong about that we can make sure we do it that way you know um passenger type Vehicles aren't an

issue so what's an issue equipment a storage equipment um Construction Construction stuff excavator skid steers those kinds of things would be issue TR no I mean a box truck is a oh we're okay then that's like an F 350 or something right it's yeah yeah it's F350 is are smaller Yeah couple 2500s yeah I mean what you're describing doesn't sound like outdoor storage to me I envisioned when I when I reviewed your request for outdoor storage and you're a painter I Envision scaffolding things uh you know pallets of paint p of material um other materials that you would use in your operation no everything's stored in box trucks so why what is your what is your need then to I'm sorry Mr chair if it's okay pleas pleas what's your need to have it um screen you said potentially even a solid wall why why need that so just from working with the building department and listening we thought that's what you guys wanted this we want I said can they just tell us what they want so so if there's no problem we're okay you know cuz that's all we're going to be parking is pickup trucks and box trucks there that's it no kind of loose loose material no kind of loose scaffolding so if if we're okay then we're we're you know I mean you're testifying that you're not going to have any storage outside no not at all and that's you know that's easily discernable you know the city uses they get aerial photographs every every four to six months that shows so when they do like enforcement on property enforcement they can easily turn to that and say you're not following the rules that you testified to on March whatever um and so then your permit could be revoked you're testifying tonight you're not going to have any of that no just just when I paint the building on the outside sure

but that's temporary that's temporary yes yeah yeah Mr conf I just want to make sure that we're in the right place right page here we saw that you know you have some aerial trucks out there some it them there they really do not belong there that's why you're here now okay if you testify that all those aerial trucks or whatever your SC whatever they're going to be gone uh we're going to be okay if not we're going to have we're going to have an issue afterwards I have one uh aerial lift there behind the building it's behind the building we're going to use it to paint we're going to use it to paint the building as soon as soon as it weather breaks and does that go back to Cleveland you got to go back to Cleveland yes yes I have one there Mr n because obviously your your permanent approval from this commission would be tied to your testimony that you're that you're making tonight we want to abide by every city rule we we we bought this building for life um and we want to make it look beautiful and we're we're very grateful that we have a a chance to grow in the city in Macedonia and we want to give you the most beautiful building on the street you know I'm a little bit uh anal so I'm going to really make it look nice okay make it look nice and the you know I know the mayor and Council are extremely supportive with small businesses and they want to see businesses locate to Macedonia frankly we like your income tax um but we pay our on time that's right but but at the same time there's rules and they you know we have to follow those rules and the concern and as the Building Commissioner said this evening there were some things already kind of out there that was leaning toward this direction the issue is you can't have those in this zoning District I know you said you know you bought the property to use it you're going to park in the parking lot there's no issue with

parking you know your vehicles in the parking lot it's construction equipment it's the Aerials it's the the scaffolding it's excavator that kind of stuff you can't do here so you you're testifying you can leave that in Cleveland and you're just ping parking box trucks and other you know things like f F-150 F250 commercial type um business trucks and there's no outdoor storage Beyond just that what you're saying yes once I once I get the the the patching of the roof done CU it's got some leaks and the outside painting of the building done and I get my Excavating done any equipment will be taken back to Cleveland the only thing I'll be having at that uh um lot is pickup trucks 350s 2500s 150s 1500s all the escavator will go back the aerial Li will go back good and so you're acknowledging whether a conditional zoning certificate is appropriate or not you're acknowledging that your testimony is limited to what you just described it's excluding the things that we already talked about and your occupancy permit from the building department would be contingent upon that do you agree with that yes how many trucks you think you going to have there the most at the most Mr Nino um five six okay five six it's all going to be backed up in the back and again I could put a solid fence in front to make you guys happy yeah I don't I don't think um you know from my perspective when I see solid fences people are hiding stuff so um I don't think there's a need to do a solid fence this Commission canine on that but and then the police tend to get a little testy with solid fences too they can't see what's going on back there and they don't want to walk into something that could be potentially problem so you don't like the weave of

stuff either uh my recommendation I'm sure you got a copy of the report is that um that you not use that we've we've this commission has not allowed that in the past that we stick to chain link we stick to that chain link um yeah you can you can do that I you know it's I I would recommend some type of a um like a black powder CED fence a little more decorative okay or maybe a board on board fence onard you have setbacks you have to adhere to but the just in the one side where all that those electrical towers are at I would like to go possibly like a solid fence because because of the you know the negativity that electrical stuff gives out and plus it's a little bit um of an isore so right here I'm little confused so you you want you have a gate on your driveway corre yeah so so right now the the red line is the yard that's fenced in already with chain link yeah so he was going would like to bring that forward more to the front of the bu with that gate there and what he's talking about the solid fence is on the on the left side where the um the long wall is just that part right there okay just that corner you wouldn't even see that from the the building was block I uh I was able to um be outside I was able to be outside at the at the time that the uh they were doing some electrical work to the towers and I asked the electrician you know what kind of effect does that give he said it's it's kind of you know it's kind of um it's not good for your health oh yeah and uh I think maybe I could put a solid

fence right there just to hide it a little bit and I don't how many feet that is it's probably around um 25 30 ft yeah I um I would not recommend sheet metal for sure okay um you know and you have there setbacks you have to maintain I I without diving into the code but the building department can help you with that but some if if you're is she metal not permitted yeah that would it's not pered I would not recommend that under the power line even for a commercial lot it's not permitted not under the power line yeah and then just from a design standpoint the city won't allow that either that's that's an area that nobody sees really it's it's vacant on that side and nobody really sees it yeah I understand so it's not permitted at all on that side I would not re no I don't believe it is and so in my report I've stated that um the sheet metal would be inappropriate what's the height on the fenes sir I I don't know I mean I it's in the zoning code I would have to spend six feet six or eight something when when he does that he'll talk to you and he has to get a permit for that anyway so okay yeah so I would just without I don't want to Air and and um interpreting the code at this point till I till I saw like a site plan what exactly you're wanting to do and then just you know maybe some images of what you're proposing but that's something the building department could help you with and they could certainly ask me if they they want another thing Mr France

that I want to bring to your attention is I'll be doing all this work myself so I'll be doing it in between jobs you know um couple days here a couple days there and it'll be a little bit of a slower process so well what's slow are you suggest um I'm thinking it's going I'm think no I'm thinking it's going to take me I'm thinking it's going to take me a good year to get everything the way I want too a good year probably before the end of this year and it it all depends on weather too yeah if I get some good weather I can finish quicker that I mean it presents some challenges you know in so far as the storage of some of those items that we talked about that were going to be temporary um so we I didn't I didn't realize it was a longer process for you to do what's what's like the limit the city allows you to well there's not necessarily a limit it's you know we don't we don't allow outdoor storage if it's active construction it's it's kind of becomes what's reasonable okay so um my aerial lip is behind the building you can't see it so what I'll do tomorrow is move the escavator behind the building also so you won't be able to see it that was my question for you if he puts it behind the building and you can't see it from the street what's the problem it's just not an allowable use in that District we don't allow or storage in that District we have districts which are it's the general industrial district no one can see it yep even though no one can see it I'll move it behind the building till I start the construction and get everything done and once everything's done I'll move it to Cleveland yeah I mean it definitely would have to go away for sure the question is you know but till then till then I'll move it behind the building yeah I mean year is probably not a that's a that's a you know it's a long time there's no the issue is with within

the zoning code there's no temporary mechanism to allow it if it's active construction and it's 3 four 5 months whatever but it sounds like it's going to be active construction but for maybe a year or potentially longer no it will be done definitely within one year definitely within one year I would have got a lot more work done this winter but we had kind of a harsh winter MH so I was stuck inside a lot so what's the purpose of the aerial lift paint quick yeah the how tall is the building how tall is the building some areas 30 ft some areas 10 ft so the areas that are 30 ft is where you do the and the roof and the roof Get Up Up and Down the Roof quick you know I'm also 53 years old so Aro lives help an old man you know yeah going up and down ladders but you're going up to the roof for the purpose of repairing them it's got a couple Le yeah yeah yeah so it's conceivable that the work that you do um to bring your building to a state in which you start operating out of it it's conceivable that you do that work first and then you do the other work so you could expedite the equipment that's not supposed to be there long term to get that out of there faster so do the Excavating first get that out of there okay those things and then push those materials out of there we can have you know those equipment in Cleveland just bring him just when he needs to work and that's you know okay when you go to actually do the work then you bring that equipment and there's some mobilization but I could actually the excavator I could actually put inside the building I think it fit inside the building prob one solved problem one solved okay so you're just at the aerial the aerial lift is behind the building and behind doesn't matter it's just not it's not a use it's allowed so

if you're using aerial lift because you're up and down repairing the roof you're painting up in that those tough to get to spots no problem but if it's just there because you're hiding hi behind the building no we're not as soon as I finish as soon as I'll put the excavator inside and as soon as I'm done with the roof I'll take the excavator out of there the boom I mean the aial L the Boom oh it is okay yeah so uh I think with the Building Commissioner is um which is a very reasonable approach is saying just tie it to the the permit which is a six-month permit so you have six months to do that work associated with those pie of equipment provided the commission agrees um and that's something that it's just easy to track that way so get an Escavating permit and a roof permit for six months we have some I don't if you just making repairs on the roof you really don't need a permit okay so if you are redoing the RO now you need a permit not redo we you know we can have a I mean this this is not a talk for a commission it is some as far as permit you going give me a call and we get to talk about it anytime he'll tell you which one's get when you need to get them so it sounds like the use is kind of become non issue anymore so it sounds like they can there's some things you work with the building department to get that taken care of so it doesn't sound like that's an issue um so I don't know if we just left the sign we're on item number two of my report all the way to two yeah so we got item number one out so that's good um you have the issue uh so you're proposing to add additional hard surface but because it's a

handdrawn sketch it's not to scale so typically what happens is when you come to a Planning Commission um they require things be done by a design professional I don't know how big of an area this is just because there's no scale to it um and that's something I'm sure the city engineer he shaken said yes he needs to know that information because it looks like it's a small area but we just don't know that information is going to be necessary to understand how much hard surface you're adding to the site yeah I I I agree um if you could I'll be honest with you in my initial uh look at the document the drawing there I didn't even recognize that there was uh additional asphalt or additional parking lot being constructed as part of this Susan alerted it to me later otherwise I might have provided some comment on that um but if you could you know in your res submitt here whatever information you bring back to the building department for your permitting provide us some dimensions on there how you're going to build that asphalt section uh how thick it is what kind of material you're going to use uh it might need to be curved I I don't know uh or parking bumpers or something uh so you provide us all that information Mr Quick leod yeah the asphalt part of it I will be subbing that out to an ASO company them yes have them provide a sketch and the full detail that be perfect yeah I was say that's good that you're doing that because they're used to providing that information to City yeah pulling a permit just the es Escavating part on my end I will do it to save money okay sure that's not an issue um so that just needs to be attached as a stipulation if the commission's going to approve um then we talked about the uh the chain link and

the solid metal fencing I think we just need to talk through what um with the commission how they feel about that um and then uh I just raised the question about the septic tank is this building connected to a septic tank yes yes yes yes there is no public gravity sewer on this portion of Aly View Road so they have no choice okay which I will get it serviced here this upcoming season I'll get it serviced and looked at and uh this yeah Val views like that a lot ugly cover on it right now I'm going to change the cover maybe make it like aluminum or something paint it it's ugly it's ugly one yeah and that was all the comments I had so I just you know we sort of hammered out the use issue I know um being in a similar role to Mr Monaco it's we just have to make sure from the city standpoint that you understand that you can't store things outside all those material talk other similar materials those trucks no problem um but uh the aerial lift the excavator and then other construction type materials or painting materials that presents a challenge for the city so while we want the businesses to come here sometimes it's more difficult when it's an adversarial position and we have to take um businesses to quar we spend a lot of money on doing so with tax dollars and sometimes that becomes a negative effect to the community so that's what I'm sure he's thinking he doesn't want to have to go down that road so I don't want to go Road either yeah your testimony here is you're not going to do that no the excavator will be moved tomorrow the aerial lift will be moved as soon as I'm done with the roof matter of fact when I paint the outs side of the building I'll

do it with um with ladders to make to not have to bring an not to not have to bring a boom there again it's not too high I can do it with ladders and Mr CH I say just need to talk through those other couple issues that the commission should talk through those things yeah so on the fence um you I think the city's not requiring any kind of you know fence that screen so you know it's only you know only the fence is only if you want to do additional fence so I don't know if that's you know I know you showed on the plan uh but you wanted to have that that additional pavement enclosed right that was your preference I just want just want the extra extra parking on I guess okay um a lot of times I I I come in and I turn around and then I back it up to the rear of the fence that extra front front edge will help me turn around Mr France what were you suggesting for the for the fence instead of you know what they were proposing um well there's two issues right so you have the fence along the front of the building which um I I don't think there's an issue with uh you know if you did some sort of a you know powdercoated black or something it's a little more decorative um you could certainly do board on board but not a solid fence if that back corner the issue it sounds like has to do with whatever that electrical rate um emitting electrical energy or something to you are wanting to do it's not many it's pretty big yeah you want to do a solid fence in that section um just in that set that little run right there it's like 20 25 ft you

could do it in wood or some sort of a vinyl if you wanted to do that less maintenance although you paint so maybe painting is not an issue yeah okay I'll work with Mr Nino and we'll agree with something we'll agree on something and the the uh we we address the septic tank and then the parking that's up in the that you're trying to get that additional parking what is that for um like I just mentioned to Mr uh West Westbrook when I pull in and I turn around and back up I need that extra space and it's it's allowed by the city so why not well that's fine it just again I don't I I don't have a sense of the the the depth what you're saying makes sense that you might need that additional for turning purposes but I don't I don't know it's not the scale so I don't know what the depth is okay we could get that for you yeah that well you're going to have to have that for sure before he does the asphal yeah you you my recommendation is anything this commission does tonight they stipulate things one of which is to provide a site plan it's to scale that we can understand dimensions and such I wrote down as the as for the whole thing you have to have dimensions on like your fencing what how much fencing you're putting in what's the we sort of oine that maybe it's like 35 ft where that section is that you want to do it solid we'd need deep actual dimensions yeah it's probably like like 20 ft by 35 ft 20 ft by 40t yeah so so draw out with sizes and exactly what it going to look like yeah and you could provide you know you could provide images of that I mean you know there's a number of things that we're talking through the the issue is um you

know this is a it's fairly rudimentary I understand you did it by hand um so that makes it difficult for us to evaluate it makes it difficult frankly don't take this the wrong way to lock you down on your permit and that's that's part of this commission's job because then not that you're going to do it but there are plenty of people that turn a blind eye they say one thing and they do another and then this poor guy has to go enforce that and in court and if there's not documentation of what's been approved exactly and plans to turn to with dimensions and things it makes his job that much harder than the law director's job and it gets expensive so what we're trying to do here today is get an idea of what you guys want that's helping us you know we don't this is not he's a painter you know I S I'm a say salesman saleswoman or whatever so this is why we're doing this here now so we understand that and you understand it that's perfect so with with that it sounds like you know there's not necessarily an expectation of you walking out tonight with a full approval so what I would suggest is is the commission provide what you just asked for and then um you you come back to the next meeting with that plan and we're ready to approve it because you now know that's the other thing like do don't we do that when he's close to doing something like the asphalt I don't see you doing that within next six months no that's going be done right away me okay my bad then we got to come back next okay my my next step is to finish I'm real close to finishing the inside my next step is the roof my next step after that is the the the extension of the of the parking lot okay so yeah sounds like you Midsummer Midsummer yeah then you're going to want to bring back your plan with some of these dimensions and things and um a lot more a lot a lot more specified plan Dimensions thickness the asphalt company that I'm that I'm

going to be going through those are all great and he might even help me out in the matter they probably will the other thing that would be super helpful if you wrote a a business summary essentially just write up what you're proposing it would be helpful to submit with your application a business summary so basically I'm operating a painting business okay that's easy um as discussed in the Planning Commission meeting dated blank we what we're going to have outside is this and document what you're going to what you're going to put outside the type of fence you want to use chain link chain link would you stick with chain link yeah all of that stuff put that in right except that one side yep and then determine what that one side would be okay and this commission can provide you some details on the chain link on the fencing on that one side the solid fencing what they may like to see as it relates to that okay Kevin mhm when they come back back should they also get bring the signage uh detail on the signage or maybe a signage person to because we don't really know what the sign's going to look like usually have a picture you know yeah so we don't um we didn't know what you guys wanted so we drove around and looked at signs in Macedonia and saw there were a lot of stone signs with stuff inside yeah so this is a sign he actually did do for someone and I happened to have a photo of it so I was like well do you want to make a sign like this or not there's also did you see the existing sign yeah okay I mean something like this is I think good we'll get into that probably in in a minute here no it's okay that's fine but I think yeah so I think you know what what Mr Francis sum you some kind of little summary of what what what's all going on you know I think that would like he said and then yeah some kind of scaled plan that shows the dimensions you fence the parking lot all those things um [Music] materials uh in terms of the fence I

don't know if the commission if you guys have any any preferences on anything but I would think maybe maybe that at least maybe the front stretch is something a little more decorative that as he was suggesting maybe instead of the the chain link and then you know whatever you want to propose for the connections in the last Corner um maybe work through that with the building depart to see what they would allow um I think just from an appearance thing you know just what you kind of see up front is maybe I don't think know that you have to redo the whole stretch if you weren't planning on doing that yeah that's it's okay with us to go a little bit more decorative in front they mention um Pines in front of that new fence some type of landscaping that couldn't hurt yeah and something that's not like that so the grass is tall you can't see it you don't see it but you don't have to put an 8ft tree is not what we're saying but something that's maybe but he wanted to use green Giants cuz they're not messy deers won't need them they'll get those will get huge um but I mean it I mean too big cuz ARB can't go there and water twice a day they won't make it oh so okay so you said Green Giant to me is a species of AR um or a cult of our AR are you talking about yeah oh okay okay I'm sorry I was trying to you said Pines and your oh did I but I don't know Green Giants green Giants are AR they usually an arbor valy yeah so um but those do get those do get rather large but it is a good uh selection for avoiding for deer resistance um yeah they're going to get really large and Tall we could do private yeah that would work too

yeah yeah that would probably do well there so I think bringing back those those those items in some detail would would go a long way and you can probably run some of this through through the building department you know if you wanted to get some feedback initially before it comes we'll be we'll have a better better plans and we'll be a lot more clear on our dimensions and measurements and so forth uh my wife did this real quick yeah got the now she knows what she needs and um again we want to make the building extremely beautiful and we want city of Macedonia to be proud of the P the property that's that's app we appreciate that yeah um Mr fr do we want to talk about the sign you had comments on that as well you can um if you want to if you you're going to have to take separate actions on both they're separate item so it's entirely up to you there might be good just to let's take a action here on this given Direction okay uh with what we talked about and then we can discuss the sign all right so for the the site improvements uh make a motion to continue this to uh I guess what is the deadline for the next meeting because it may be too quickly it is is March 28th so got a little bit of time got 11 days till the till the deadline to get something in for the next meeting which is April 21st April 21st um go to the next we certainly could yeah that's I'll make a motion to continue the the site uh Improvement

item to the uh May meeting okay which is what day May 19th so you have the deadline to submit for that meeting is April 25th and I'm home okay may it's a Friday oh no I don't know the subm the meeting would be on a Monday oh May 19th April 25th is a Friday yeah and the meeting is May 19th which is the third Monday is there a second on the motion for the continuation I I'll second it all right uh any more discussion on that all in favor okay so then for the sign uh let me look back uh the deadline submit to submit is April 25th and the meeting is May 19th there's a calendar attach to the Planning Commission application that I emailed yeah it looks like this oh that's on okay okay Mr fr would you like to go over your comments on the on the sign uh yes so um you can have a freestanding sign up to 40 square ft uh the issue is similar to the last discussion we had we need details I my gut feeling is the commission is going to probably say you know that's not bad looking with the picture what you showed it just lacks details so um this is and I'm not saying you have to use this company but Mr West can you just share share that with him that was our first applicant you um you missed that

discussion but that's the type of what the commissions um typically expected to get when sign applications come details in the logo Dimensions you know what the sign is going to say materials colors all that you go to a sign company and they can yeah put this whole package together for you like the lady here so you don't they don't have to build a sign for you sign company they can they can they're going to charge you a fee but they can put together your submitt and actually articulate what you'll tell them what you want they'll articulate it on the paper that'll come here sure I don't yeah it'd be more for them to build it for sure that that's the name of the company this is just an application that that somebody had you the person that was up here before this they Ed Jones sign but I mean there's lots of sign companies out there's ones in town even so let's yeah probably on Highland road yeah there's a lot there's soras in town Becker signs right up the road and they they do this they'll they like most of them price it it's like a tiered approach right so they'll draw it up for you based on what you want they'll draw it up and present it for another fee and then they'll build it for another fee so you know typically they kind of teered their approach if you just want them to you want to articulate what you want they'll put it onto a drawing that's that's a price and then you can handle it from there the approval process so um about the sign because you got the colors and all that stuff so are you okay with this this kind of brick do is there certain Dimensions that the brick has to have and then the logo he has is a a paint roller which is red and then inside that would say Omega painting kind of what I drew there MH but I don't know how much

white and red whatever you know you guys yeah but we could have that that's made of steel so there's two P it's an overlay so he'll put a white piece in the middle then he'll take the what you see here as blue and put that on both sides around it which would be red which would be like a safety red sounds nice so we can have that drawn and all that but I want to see if are you okay with that yeah and I think you know there we're more picky on on colors of things in the sign when it's in a you know the the a shopping center that already has a approved plan of signage this is isolated so there's a little more freedom in terms of that kind of stuff um that the the the the Brick block that they used on that sign is seems pretty nice or you used I guess if you built that thing from scratch yes I mean I I don't know if you guys looking at that I mean that seems like a very you know it's substantial it it it looks good probably be straight are you going to curve it I'm going to curve it to the same way so this area here is the 4x10 4X 10 I believe so me confirm discussing something up there but uh I I I think that's where they they measure that that area is the sign area that's the limit yes okay there's height limitations but I don't think you're going to be in that vicinity just kind of looking at that I mean I'm guessing that's like four or five feet high yeah um yeah if you stay below six feet you'll be fine and the the The Limited area is just the sign itself it's not the the way the code reads um let me just pull it up for you real

quick uh so the sign area shall include the entire face of the sign sign area shall not include the frame and structural support unless such structural support is determined to constitute an integral part of the sign design so typically it's not included but there's some rare instances where it's it's intrical with and part of and it would be counted against you but um what you're proposing I would just if that were the sign and it had your logo on it right now and that's what came to me I would count that whole Blue Area that's your sign right and then the rest is just your surround and that's not counted against you in terms of your sign area okay yeah and then if you're I don't know if you're you want to light the sign at all or there's already lights there so one facing on both sides so I'll just use those existing lights so You' want to take a picture of those existing lights and submit with your application so we understand what they are um it's just two low lights that come up 10 in flood lights like landscape type lights yeah yeah so the previous owner had probably fine yeah it's probably just fine which just the the commission wants to make sure the light isn't shining away from the sign and Shining out into the road they want to understand make sure if it's just a landscape light it's probably just just take a picture of it and spit with your application mhm okay I think they come out they come on at U dark yeah and go on Sunset and Sunrise yeah so they're just like a landscape type light Kevin might you might if you're trying to do some of this yourself the our code is 1179 he was he was quoting from it so it's online the Macedonia code you can read up on all the sign stuff yourself yeah I was worried about the red well I you know I the as he said the colors don't mean too

much except in a shopping center but uh you can do a little of this yourself reading up online because because the code you know Macedonia code for building and everything else there a whole sence section yeah I try to read it oh okay little you've been you've been there yeah it's this I figured come today and make some progress and we did yeah that's good yeah we keep them super complicated that way I get paid so he said the quiet part out loud but uh we we got everything we we understand now what you want Mr France and we're going to get the uh the uh everything more clear clear on the measurements and so forth on everything and perfect we definitely understand that and um and I you know you as Mr West said there's plenty of sign companies I was just showing you just for the sake of that's what like a subal looks like but there's any of them soras here in town again Becker signs right up the road they're kind of smaller mom and pop shops that's probably what you want to get somebody that can draw this thing up and and then you can handle come and get it approved here don't don't pay somebody to to to do that it's not a complicated sign we just need more details yeah all right any other questions or comments from the commission um I'll make a motion to continue this to the May meeting as well for more detailed plan I'll second all in favor okay well I think we made some progress hopefully helps out very much Mr I have to say that I was in your building twice and you're doing a beautiful job on the inside and the outside is going to look just as nice as the inside I think the city will something to it's look better it's look better better thank you thank you very much

all right uh up next is uh sign and lighting uh Granger 8211 Bavaria Road welcome hello just oh okay all [Applause] right nobody wants to be here with us tonight I just don't like driving can we get the names just for the record for for Susan yeah Michelle James okay Mike okay all right um I don't if you want to give any explanation or if we want to jump into Mr Francis thoughts on your submitt um let's jump into the the subm sure my report dated February 27th and do you have did you you have a copy of that yes okay so you you've read that yes um so for the commission the audience sake essentially The Proposal is to eliminate the two existing ground Monument signs at the property 8211 Bavaria Road and eventually replace them with two new ground signs I say eventually because there's an interim period in which two temporary signs are being proposed um and then the new signs uh the new signs will be the temporary signs will be eliminated when the new signs are constructed so essentially that's the application presumably you're updating it for Branding purposes and

then for the message that you're trying to convey which is seems very similar to what's there now yes that sound about accurate yes um so I provided in my report a picture of those existing signs and so just at a high level um the total area is not an issue of the sign being requested the issue that I see as I reviewed it is um the the commission and all approvals has required these sort of brick surrounds and your proposal is to eliminate those brick surrounds and they do um kind of a uh like a plastic type um cabinet style sign so these cabinets are routed aluminum okay with push through acrylic letters okay um the existing brick is crumbling one it is ex uh it's I from the front and the other one it's happening on the back probably not so visible on the front yet um but it's it's not something that we just want to patch back together eventually they're just going to be dust yeah so I assumed that you were having issue with the the Brick and that was why you were going this route and all I'm saying is my recommendation the to the commission is utilize brick stick with having a brick so replace it you could do a different color or something but um my uh recommendation is to not eliminate entirely the bricks around that's that's there now re rebuilding it replacing it um would be acceptable the temporary signs present um some challenges as it relates to the zoning code so the two temporary signs being proposed are 6 ft tall 32 square ft temporary signs are regulated per to

section 11799 of the um of the planning zoning code they're limited to 112 square foot sign 4 feet tall this is um actually a recent amendment that the city did to its sign code in the last Last 5 Years um and thoroughly went through the temporary signage regulations and this ultimately is what was um uh codified into the code so one temporary sign 12 square ft 4T tall so the the 6 feet and 30 6 feet tall 32 square ft are not permissible even if they're temporary because we have a section in the code that that regulates that so I I had just stated if the intent is to remove the temporary signs upon construction a new sign I really wasn't sure why they were necessary um simply go I'm the temp can I speak yeah yeah um so I'm the temporary signs um so we have two entrances that go to our building one is an employee entrance and one is for deliveries if there were one sign we would have we probably would end up with a lot of traffic congestion truckers wouldn't know which entrance to use or visitors will call and Etc that's why currently look right now depending on which way you're coming down Bavaria they could end up passing the G entrance and turning in if I had if I had the sign down at the employee entrance they would right pass it and see like this is employee entrance here pull into there cause traffic congestion it it would be hard with two entrances it would be hard to manage that flow of traffic especially with the larger trucks you your current sign signage conveys that very message

correct both signs do yeah so all I'm saying is you could fabricate your new signs have them fabricated leave these existing signs up while they're being fabricated and then when they're ready to be installed you'll have a very temporary period in which your new signage is going up and your old ones being demolished I'm not thinking it would be that long of the time period one day would be a lot I me we can probably get 30 40 trailers in a day which it so we would have to really strategically plan they would have to be done all within the same day I mean we could do this backwards we could install the and then demolish that's yeah that's another option or or you could install one get it up and then install the next one I mean it's conceivable you'll have some downtime but very limited right yeah so as for the sign itself you're you're saying that it needs to be surrounded I'm making a recommendation to the commission that it should be based on all their I mean historical approvals we just had one here in the last month or two same issue um they didn't want to do a bricks around had this discussion and it was approved of the bricks round I'm suggesting that that should remain but that's up to this commission I mean do we have any GI or sticking with brand standards the yeah the reason so I'm the facility manager at that building there I I didn't specifically choose this sign um that was from corporate that's the the standard Granger sign which goes into the distribution centers across the country um but obviously there something can't city codes you have to go back and revisit all this Kevin can I mention something uh you can that temporary sign maybe you read this that uh you can always try for a variance but

that's expensive and time consuming and maybe it wouldn't maybe leaving the old signs up until you get the new one would be a lot cheaper for you and save you know time as money could probably couldn't they brick there and everything stays as is it sits right on top of brick yeah doesn't necessar to be surrounded by Brick uh you know some kind of brick Bas yeah I brick or you know snow of some sort I'm trying to think of uh other ones to because then it doesn't compromise the brand we get that part but yeah and I also think that would also be would have longer going all the way to the ground even though there's landscap around it now is there a preference when it comes to the brick stones that you guys look for your building is similar to that brick or this the brick color is out there right now cor I would prefer to see it to stay that brick color um I would also almost Envision like just kind of zooming in on it you could just do like the brick basically it's it almost looks like if you get rid of that Pier right there that's exactly what you're proposing so I would just say keep that bottom or do the bottom and brick do like the ledge there and you're good to go and I would say keep it the same color as what to match the building okay because it looks like it's going to be a concrete base anyway they can build a surround yes but I don't think you have to have that back pier and everything like that just just the base I think would be simplistic got nice on top of the block and stuff so I was just going to ask with the temporary sign things that this was changed recently um it's a large property large building so there was no

stipulation based on the size of that building we could have the ex Center there and they could only have one temporary sign there's nothing in the code articul time so and also going to like CU I was going to ask the same question too in terms of the temporary sign could they just put like a a banner out there while the sign's being swapped out I if we're only talking a day or two yeah I think the almost like a coming soon or a new business that type of thing I think I I mean while I appreciate that sign is very nice looking I think from like a cost standpoint I personally don't feel it's necessary to go that to that end degree I think such something understand with you from a logistics standpoint so I would just think even just something printed on a banner two stakes to sit there for a day or two while the ones going up and and and the Building Commissioner has some ideas that he could talk to you offline about okay be out okay so I I you if if there were uh want to do the the the Brick base um there was no other real issues with the permanent sign and the temporary sign we think you could probably work something out with the Building Commissioner either the way it's the timing on the construction or maybe he's got a little leeway for some something temporary um I know that Landscaping was brought up but they are planning on doing the exact same thing they currently out there is there um anything again that Landscaping was probably 1996 so um and they keep coming back every year yeah um I mean you know we would think you know perennials they just the spring flowers coming back and I mean Ranger is going to work with whatever the city's rules and regulations are so

we're not trying to go do anything crazy yeah I I see a lot day and I don't I don't object to that as long as there's little something around it looks do you do you require there to be landscape around it yes yeah yeah okay yeah some some form of it I mean and it's it's nice that your site has has trees and stuff along there so it's not like the only thing out there so you make it look good you know you really go nuts because there are is other things you know maybe some minimal like like as you mentioned similar to kind of what you got right now something around it um like that um yeah no I'm a 100% for all for the landscape around it so that that would be part of kind of finished product well I'm wondering you know is this something that you if they agree to a brick base that matches the building um and Landscaping uh similar what's there but to be administratively approved would you guys be okay with that let it be all in administrative the sizes and everything else is okay and would the administration just me regards to the temporary side whatever they determin that to be equiv would they need to get into specifics on what they would change on Landscaping so it's just part of the record I'm not saying I'm right now at this table but would they they would need to provide probably yeah probably provide them with some detail of what you're actually GNA uh and get their their approval on that so I guess uh I'll make a motion to approve the sign with the modification that there is a brick base to match the building uh landscaping around the sign to be approved administratively and uh to work out administratively the temporary sign

issue is there a second I'll second Mr France any anything else you heard there that sounds great all right uh any more discussion all right all in favor all right thank you very much have a great night thank you that's three all right uh next up is uh Valley Reserve development Mr covin um for this one for the record I'm going to uh uh recuse myself abstain from uh this uh due to a work relationship and turn it over to uh Mr rers and I'm just while we're on the record I've recued myself in the past when Mr cin has been in front of us because I was he's doing work on my property but that works done I don't owe any money there on any Lan so I I don't think I need to refuse myself and I don't think it'll be a problem bu my house running out commission uh Mr acting chair it is vice chair um just for the record sake then as Mr Westbrooks accused himself due to a potential conflict with employment related matters with working with py we had another commission member stay a prior recusal due to a conflict of working with the builder at the table who is the developer in this case and then another member just state that his Hess built by the same individual just for the record there are there's does not appear to be any actual conflicts but I want to make sure the applicant is clear of those and the commission members have openly stated there's no

issue in their mind of their voting but want to make sure you're okay with that with proceeding I am all right are you sure yes sir okay uh if you just go ahead and state your names for the record and then uh just give us a brief overview we go uh go review yeah uh my name is Chris COV uh Valley Reserve LLC um property on Valley View in Twinsburg Road and and I'm Keith Kowski with FY homes Keith withy homes okay thank you both all right uh I don't know if you want to give us just kind of a recap of where from when we gave you your preliminary cite approval to where we are today um and then maybe just an overview of what I think so one thing also just for the commission to understand would be what the relationship between your responsibilities would be and what Poli responsibilities would be because I think there's going to probably be a divide probably of some sort of what we're reviewing and approving here today and then what would we would be reviewing and approving from a py standpoint moving forward so just kind of an overview of that appreciate it so yeah I mean Brian did a little bit of the uh review of the past uh cemental and approv um and U the relationship was I'll be the developer selling wat the FY um they'll be responsible for building the house grading uh City walks for the each resident and um uh any type of um Landscaping between them and the homeowner Street lighting is that your responsib responsib your responsibility okay uh entryways are my responsib ability some subdivisions the Builder is

but in this one I'm taking care of that um I submitted an entry sign uh very similar to uh Shephard preserve that we did off the shepher okay be the same sign okay same type of mounding and trees um we had wolfscape uh design a um one skape plan for the entryway um you know we I saw something that maybe maybe the um the entry was fine but the residents um I don't know what we submitted for that but um I did submit a architectural um uh and Landscape standards for Valley Reserve um and it did have the landscape responsibilities at the Bott okay and one of the comments was um adding a a street tree for each unit which is in our in our um agreement with uh with BTY so okay also architecture um you know we that is come up a couple times in here uh Keith has talked to Pam uh Schultz from the city architect and is working with u with her I'll let Keith maybe tell a little more what the process is there but um yeah just that I've reached out to her um looking at this the comments she provided um I think in part clarification about what it is we were suggesting we'd like to offer just based on her comments coupled with obviously the Litany of um suggestions and or requirements to do with the architecture so same paging on that all the while just working in good faith to get to a point where uh we have a mutually acceptable project in terms of what the architecture needs to be and what the city would require U okay from so that meeting is scheduled for this Wednesday um and we'll go from there on

that not I think hope tonight um just to say it out loud and clear is that um um that there's um you know the land planning portion of this project is um goes forward with an actual approval but perhaps conditional upon um the architecture seeing its way through in approve State okay all right thank you both I'll let yeah very good I'll let Mr fr go through his comments and then Mr gelot we'll go from there great um so I know you called me today I had three py people call me today I'm assuming you may have called about this I didn't even know but and then Chris I know you called as well so yeah sorry I was just back first day from from vacation me too so not many people got my phone calls um but uh I know Chris the one thing you would ask about was just the scale so it the 1 to 50 is fine uhuh but this does not scale to a 50 scale like you put it on here it's not scaling to a 50 scale so I don't know what they laid this out in versus what it was printed in but it just was not SC oh from what you have yeah so we submitted 11 by 17s I mean if you uh printed out as a uh 24 by 36 this is what I received this is not to scale no that that would but I'm just saying if you would print it out to like fit the page but I think all the midds now 11 by 17 yeah so um if I gave you this here it would be to scale you know the 24 by 36 sheet oh which perfect yeah so that's what I would need for review not a problem yeah I mean I had asked and that's what we were a lot of cities are going to alals are 11 by 17 so even though they're not

to scale so you can make a 11 by 17 to scale you can do half sheet you can do okay yeah 22 by 34 us that's um some more paper yeah not a problem yeah it was but for for for the reviewer sake so just when I put a scale on it I got to understand how many M&M's equal you know the distance measure here so I can't do that if it's so that's all the one 50 is just fine okay it's got to actually two scale yeah okay uh my report dated February 26th so in the background as the applicant stated I I just kind of laid out the preliminary plan approval July of 2024 and what um what the stipulations were adherence to the 25t front yard setback um sidewalk uh constructed on one side of the street adherance to a 72t side guard up back in total 15 between the two units construction of no than 58 units and an approval of the conditional use by city council so those were the stipulations that came out of that meeting so as I go through um and I I thought this was a request so you're requesting final site plan approval you're not asking are you are you wanting to create Lots out of this meeting tonight yeah final site plan approval yeah okay so we had condition our a preliminary back in was it September preliminary plan July July I guess yeah so and you know the next step was to and we got uh the council approv the sidewalk they made some uh Nino and the mayor made some changes with sidewalks uh what what they wanted to see that was approved um uh resolution uh uh 75-

2024 um I think in October October 24th so um that is my understanding that was approved um you know with that resolution um so we're just moving forward with the final site plan okay so your intent out of tonight is to be able to create Lots so you want to be able to create those lots to be able to sell or have py take those down on S schedule yeah okay and so we have the you know you have Street trees and things we talked about that already is your intent then to um to bond those those um those values So you you're going to have to put in trees and so typically what happens is a financial guarantee is put up front for those types of things yeah I mean I think it the whole development he bonded I that's typically how uh there's a development agreement between me and the city what's I was just asking how that's calculated yeah isn't there a builder agreement I'm sorry what was the question just about finding with the elements that are seeking for approval yeah well whatever we've done in previous subdivisions I'm sure we follow the same pattern yeah there's this uh one of Joe's comments the last one was uh standard development agreement which I think it has some of those bondings and probably does uh listed in that so yeah that way if we go under halfway through the project it's things are well that's it yeah I mean not that certainly we don't think that's going to happen to you and pray that doesn't but but for the city's sake they got to have a way to go ahead and conform or effectuate what's been approved by this Commission in the past we submit uh usually a submit actual estimates um to the city

Joe certifies that I guess and then that has to be backed up by some type of either a note or Pond typically Builders are doing uh notes now but developers so and so my first comment under just the the Pud itself the conditional use um did that happened that city council accepted the conditional use they approved it that is my um you know interpretation of what we submitted we submitted after Planning Commission it went to council uh they were hung up more on sidewalks which we had to uh resubmit the next month again youo and the Mayer work through and it was um then approved which you know it says here that um Al I'm reading this do we have a copy of that yeah you can and is what you said there was a hang up about the sidewalks so what you had what Planning Commission had approved what this committee had approved was not uh what the council wanted to see correct so there was some extensions and I think we added sidewalk to the opposite side of so there's dual sidewalks along the main road and this is um yes yeah I remember that came back to us at some point last year actually I think it was after that meeting we had a discussion about it this is sheet two of your side plan that I have up here and that pink is the sidewalk is that is that what was agreed by that was what was agreed Yeah by city council yeah yeah if I could chime in just for a second and uh I know that in the September meeting Council voted no sidewalk on both sides you're saying that in a subsequent meeting uh a different drawing was

submitted and Council voted yes yep I work with correct that is okay and I apologize I did not have that second piece of legislation I only had resolution 66 I did not have resolution 75 75 being the October yeah legislation you may want to read this I guess I'm not yeah I'm trying to research it online I'm reading the the waiver for the sidewalks that that was approved it says so it says it reads as a resolution waving the requirements for the construction of full sidewalks and otherwise confirming the conditional zoning certificate as approved by the city of macedonia's Planning Commission in regard to the valley Reserve subdivision development project was offered by Miss Jan Tully for first and second and third readings by Title seconded by Mr Jervis the motion carried unanimously by a Voice vote yeah that's what I'm reading so the only thing it says that it was back did it come I don't did it have to come back to us for the zoning certificate for the conditional zoning certificate it was just for information for was on the that's all it was okay okay so I think this has to go once you approve this final site plan needs to go back so the Pud is by understanding we we submitted for the Pud approval and then this final site plan does it need to go back to council it I think it had to go to council before it came to us for final the I don't I don't I don't think so what what you got prove was the conditional use so there's this

quirkiness in the code where you have two puds plan unit developments one in this zoning is zoned R1 residence District you're governed by 11632 A5 plan unit developments when approved as a conditional use according to section 11 374 with such approval confirmed by a majority of council and developed in accordance with the standards of 11635 with the exception that ABC ABC that's different than um the provisions outlined in 11 11635 for the approval process your approval for the use as a planned unit development is governed by a conditional zoning certificate it sounds like you went and got Council confirmation of that conditional zoning certificate then you should be done with Council I believe okay then the process remains here that's truly what happened all you get yeah it say sidewalks in conditional zoning so Ian Mr I'm sure put this together yeah resolution 75 and the fourth whereas says I just read it requirement of the construction of full sidewalks be waved and a minimum of sidewalks on one side of the road be allowed passed unanimously like you said right I was not aware of that so that changes my memo but 75 which is after 66 that reads kind of oh yeah yeah so now I have written front of me written format I think what they did was exactly

what you see in front of you to they they said you don't have two sidewalks on both sides of the road right and we're confirming the conditional zoning certificate that was approved by the Planning Commission yeah and Brian for what it's worth the drawing that was attached to resolution 75 the sidewalk mirrors what you have in pink and that you're saying was agreed I I drew that up so I know where it is and I remember that came you brought that back to us just as an FYI and we were fine with it then for the sidewalks on one side of the road so I think we're good there yeah so sounds like good Mr W you want you might want to just submit that into the record as an exhibit to any authorization you provide to do you need this back I no she can have back you do okay we get that back to I just thought when you're going to need to make some revisions to your final plan anyhow just if you can list the data the approved condition zic okay helpful just for tracking purposes we're all on the same page yeah that would be good you can even reference the resolution of that's what I would do yeah um previously you were showing some phasing are you not doing it in phasing now we are uh it does show it it's very hard to see it does you're not we've had uh dominion and others comment that it's uh if you look at it there is a slash line it runs along the lot lines um it's easy to see on the west side of it but um it took me a minute to find yeah so we are highlight highlighting that in a colored um so it's a little more oh and and I

think at the last meeting you wanted us to take the lot eight and put it in phase two I think that's what the conclusion was you were going to do you're still doing which we did we did that so we shortened up that road you don't have that T intersection yeah cuz eight was previously here or 37 is I think MH yeah uh eight yeah exactly exctly yeah okay all right so you're phasing and you'll just pretty up the documents so let's clear exactly and I think Joe even had that in his not I got his notes today um we're working through those and making some updates and then uh my item number three lots 1 through 5 17 and 49 are impacted by Wetlands um you see some some kind of documentation that you can came through the set okay we're good so all those those lots are there's jurisdictional approval to do what they want to do correct and's purchase the credits oh right um let's come back to number four for just a minute that's architecture let's just talk real quick five Landscaping um development Insurance individual lot is being provided I just said generally Landscaping is appropriate for the entrance but minimal for the individual lots and then said um you should have a street tree for each sublot you're saying we've already agreed to that yeah you should show what those Street trees are on the on on your plan revised plan okay you have a a landscape sheet that describes out what they are do you know what kind of striet tre is you're proposing use um I think like celebration Mel something like that that seems to be used to be the pair that's no longer yeah don't use a but I was going to suggest if it's okay to

maybe bring in to do two species whether you alternate them or group them somehow um you just you never know uh like with the pear like with the ash like with the elm it could be a disease that comes through before you know you have no trees so a good idea um we don't like monocultures so if you can try to find two and I think celebration is fine um pick one other one any suggestions yeah I I know I just said Elm but there's a frontier Elm that I like uh for Street trees I think it would compliment has a really good fall color that would offset with the celebration Maple nicely so and that's a disease resistant Elm Frontier Elm I think that's what I have in front of my house nice until the storm blows it over yeah I would do you like see the sweet gums sweet gums are okay the only thing is they drop the I mean you have to get like a a really sterile um yeah they drop those uh call them gumballs they're those can be kind of problematic um especially in messy so um I don't know I like genos it's another option um that would have a nice ball color to compliment the maple so just yeah find a good one I'm sure you'll you'll come up with some okay um and then uh probably get into that issue the 11 11 13025 requirs that construction agreement performance bond that's something you could you could submit the commission's okay submit that as a contingent to the approval yeah I'm waiting for the um City to put that together take some time it's like it

just came through at 4555 okay that's great you don't have it done yeah come on no I think it is done but we'll probably get it to you tomorrow I got to take a look at it you're not intending to petition Council to Levy a special assessment no do it okay that's fine want to make sure for what so there's a provision that you can petition Council Levy a special assessment in Li of a performance bond maintenance Bond and tie it to the Lots but it's a it's a it's a pain and it's a process so we'd rather you not do it if you're comfortable just doing a traditional route yeah I mean I think the way the agreement reads at least the ones in the past that it's a performance bond or uh another approved Source by um uh the city which uh for Spruce we did just a cash Bond um which we drew from withdraws um a lot of developers now which I'm hoping that the city will allow is to uh with the loan use that as collateral so in the city we'd have to sign off on all draws so they approve we'd have to work through that administratively I think a letter of credit is good too credit to the C yeah we did the draw approach for Spruce Hill Crossings remember um covenants restrictions um I sent that to them to the city today okay this afternoon and I have them here they'll just have to review and they're 103 Pages if anyone yeah I will look at them so but not you know tonight yeah yeah so just recommend that be contingent um and then we already talked about the scale so yeah I I don't see

any reason to not move forward and improve it subject too based on my comments now architecture um I think you provided just uh you provided just a front elevation no side or rear elevations the Planning Commission is going to want to see that what you know and certainly I think talking through architecture is important but there's a lot to look at um and I've had a brief conversation with Pam about architecture so I think the preference at this time would be to not approve architecture tonight you can have some conversations I think with the commission but come back at a later date particularly since um Miss Schultz still has some questions comments concerns that need to be worked through that'd be my recommendation so said another way we're unable to achieve Arch textual approval administratively we would need to get the consensus with her and come back and then get the vote of this board as well yes yeah you need to work through with the consultants and the administration and then it comes to this commission for approval let me ask a question can I ask Mr chairman yeah um where was the architecture during the preliminary plan why didn't this come out the fact that now py is doing it I think that's the change there there seemed to be no uh I didn't hear from Pam earlier in this process isn't this kind of odd at the last for the final approval now to suddenly have a bunch of architectural uh questions sort of late this in the process don't you think well yeah I don't know I mean I don't know when py was brought into this process in the project probably recently recently yeah so that's big that's a big part of the reason why you're just seeing py architecture now because they were just brought into the process um so is that

relevant though when you had the preliminary approval and all that now now the architecture changes because it's py rather than Cent's homes building I could tell you in the past we've not we have we have already submitted a lot more than we typically have in the past so um and to answer your question no willing to work with Pam but um yeah we have a pretty detailed list of what we require for each resident um and it seems like um since PA is brought into this we are going to need to go above and beyond well I see that she's incorporating North Woods which was the Bly is that a problem or will be a problem in trying to incorporate that type of architecture into into your development there I modeled my uh my standards off of Northwoods but I know there's a lot of things added since Northwoods so that is where things will have to work through was my question I I I was kind of curious about the timing for all these requirements suddenly yeah I and I don't think at preliminary level we require that this depth of architecture as a preliminary plan level so and that was going to be a question I had just in discussion here I asked about this requirement to come back and be subject to Planning Commission vote is that actually a requirement as a as a function of getting a pu PUD approved or is that just a recommendation to come back no it's a requirement it's a requirement gotcha we would require that especially for this big of a development sure the amount of I mean we can get into more of the the questions that I have regarding that here in a few minutes of Mr fr and Mr jly you're done okay 11 3705 C 10 four elevations including a front rear and two side elevations

together with additional views or crosssections if necessary to indicate completely the exterior appearance of the structure all elevation shall be drawn to the same scale which shall not be l Le than 1/8 of an inch to 1T except that the front elevation may be drawn to a larger scale each elevation shall show the accurate location Windows Doors shutters chimneys porches and other architectural features all materials and finishes an accurate finished grade line existing topography and major vegetation features that's a requirement that this plan commission see those we're not going to record once we RW do the architecture we wouldn't require on a per lot basis we come back in front of us okay I didn't think so I mean unless I wouldn't think so I wouldn't think so either I just wanted to make sure that that wasn't I was misunderstanding I think the MTI approach and you can correct me if I'm wrong but having work with you before the B approach is we have 45 different elevation styles for two homes right and so we're asking you to look at and approve all these I'm being a little fous and once that's approved you don't have to come back here and get each one approved they just apply them accordingly onto the Lots yeah and those are reviewed against the standards set forth and approved by Planning Commission on an individual basis when we submit for building permit got it okay but not through a separate a orb process I didn't think so I just wanted to confirm because I was going to say that's a lot of that's a lot houses to be coming in here after um do you mind if I ask questions no it's your meeting I'm I got my I do have uh just one other question so in regards to you know um I know you've set your standards and I haven't had a chance to go through all of them but in terms of I'm I'm guessing that you've already laid out that like two houses of similar looks can't be placed next to each other correct they're all going to have to

kind of vary throughout there you're not going to have a white house and another White House and another white house and they all exactly the same the standard should lay out that they're kind of all vary in different materials and looks and stuff correct of course the exhibit here will explain that in terms of diversity uh requirements that the code May State verus what we did in Northwoods okay are two different things so that's part and parcel to the clarification uh discussion needs to go on with Pam and what's what's a good collat approach to make sure that we're all meeting in the middle okay perfect certain not only do we spell out the proximity the qual but we also state qualifiers be it colors roof Styles perfect DM okay cool that works for me so I think you could have white white and white next to each other yeah I was just I'm talking like just completely white no detail or anything like that with another white no detail yeah no we're we're on the same page Mr Jani oh my turn yes sir all right so um a lot has changed since I wrote this memo a couple of weeks ago so bear with me I'm not sure any of it applies anymore but I'll go through it one by one so actually maybe the first one does still fly uh the typical paven section looks good except it shows sidewalks at 4ot wide they're usually 5 foot wide is standard so yeah I wanted some clarification I like uh Northwoods was 4 foot the whole development and spruel was 5 foot okay um yeah which that's an 88 thing okay 5ot yeah then I don't have any problem okay yeah all right so 5 foot there uh we already talked about the sidewalk u sounds like we have resolution 75 in place so that's that comment next one is regarding Wetlands which the information came through this afternoon I forward it along to you two

gentlemen but uh it's got the jurisdictional determination from the Army Corps is paid for the credit so I think we're through with that item uh storm water management we're reviewing that as part of our uh administrative review for final permitting uh I think we sent some comments back to you late last week uh for what it's worth I thought it was a pretty good set of plans and calculations that Dan put together for you so that's a good thing good makes our life a little easier uh sanitary sewer needs to be bored under Twinsburg Road you do show that in the detailed plan so thank you uh private utilities installed uh in conduit that's part of the uh development agreement that verbage uh is always in there street light uh locations look good and so does the detail it's the city standard uh development agreement we talked about uh that just came through to you and I at 455 this afternoon so Meo and I will have to take a look at that and if it's all good we'll get it to you for a signature and uh that's all I have so only one of my comments even still applied okay lots happening I'm going to have to wait till the last second to write my M that's not fair to you guys yep no okay yes comeing L into this but I mean length of the roads and the number of U ding units would require secondary means of agress very similar to what you did at Spruce s development um we proposed a through Street which was um Kick Back to that they to this commission wanted to call the SEC and they also approved the length since it is I think under the 12200 ft that's I did the math one was

1260 and the other was 1387 if I added those numbers up correctly yeah I mean it was approved uh with the last sub metal for the length I mean okay like I said coming in late and they asked me to make comments and you know those are the things no I mean we had the last uh fire uh review with the last set of plans so I mean that's why we went forward with the uh with drawing all the yeah yeah and it doesn't have to be three streets just has to be a um approved fire apparatus access road and that can be you know you know not necessarily A through street but can be gated or can be you know just something that would support apparatus I mean I think the all the CLD thect are set so a fire chart can turn around for radiuses um talking about secondary agress if your main entrance is somehow BL yeah I would want to see your comments from the preliminary um approval yeah there wasn't invol with that don't know well there was another person from the fire department I think that was I remember we had a discussion about this yeah we wanted it to connect the Valley View but the commission wanted to see it um as a non through street so so I back to our something com from the prev and you said that was the original was how long ago June July July July last

year I know there was discussion about it I know there was we had approved a length we'd have to go back through the minutes on that but if I can Mr chair the road layout as it's proposed right now is what was approved that's what I thought I was just about to ask I'm not nothing was jumping at me that it had changed where it would have pushed into a different category I thought this was all approved as or drawn as approved previously I mean the only thing we changed since the last approval was something that we remember the box right we we moved some units around a foot or two kind of picked that up I mean we had a pretty detailed drawing the last time you included it again yeah and it was approved by the board and approved by uh the departments that were yeah yeah I did include it sorry yeah no it didn't realize that so um and the and you got the commission did Grant the exception to the road Mone which is that's what it was okay I know there was an exception we had granted which is a frankly it's a that's an old like 600 ft is a maximum I mean this is 2025 maybe 1970 that would have been applicable but and it was the fire department's uh Rec recommendation to phasee that one lot lot8 into Lot 37 to put it in that second phase if you remember we had a T Street there and they didn't like the length of their fire trucks turning around so um would have been nice to have it in phase one doesn't matter but um so at that time it would have been uh hopefully noted that they didn't like the length of the street or wanted a secondary access and our original plant had a secondary access so just point that out

to it's hard to redesign the whole development uh you know when you're going for final approval when you've already had U conditional approval or preliminary approval so Bri recommend we do now I just did have a couple yeah I just did have a couple I did have a couple questions um maybe it's not jumping on at me mailboxes where did you guys land on putting those um are they individual or is there a pad for them together it has to be a pad I thought it had to be a pad I'm just it's not I'm kind of zooming around real quickly to see if I can find it as long as you guys have it then I'm okay I just wanted to make sure that it wasn't something that all of a sudden I see the two parking spaces on the one I don't think I we show it at this time so that would be something I'd I'd need to add I was going to say if you don't have it on here then I think that needs to be identified yeah I would agree Scott that's a good question yeah I was kind of quickly looking and I didn't see it I think it was one of Pam's notes actually Prov C um are you okay approving that administrative that they locate that up yeah I'll be so I

anybody else on commission have any comments or questions I so I think to kind of do a quick recap here um I think [Applause] what sorry I just going through a couple other comments um in terms of an approval tonight for the final plat will you guys be re you'll be making all these Corrections then submitting them to the city to then approve the final plaque correct in the next I mean like so you're there's just a couple minor things from what I yeah I think it just has to be that has to be spelled out and I think agreements have to be put in place because I know that to give for an approval to be given I mean I would think it would be approved uh and then uh py would need to come back to approve their uh architecture okay which is going to be that's going to be my recommendation is that we separate the architecture out from this review and approval because it really is if we're just strictly doing the plat I think a conditional approval on the plat for some of these little outstanding items arej but the architecture has to be taken out completely separate and brought back so why don't we incl I mean we can include get a street trees uh um included and a mailbox location yes and architecture for the homes those will be our three uh remaining items that we'll have to come back for yeah okay all right so I went through and I made notes kind of as we were uh going through this

okay I'm going to go ahead and make a motion that we approve the final plat for the planned unit development with the following conditions that any outstanding items addressed by Mr France and Mr J body are addressed some of those specifically being the uh phasing is identified clear on the plans the wetlands letters of jurisdictional approval are provided to the city landscape for the entrance to the development is addressed in a separate approval that is inclusive of Street trees in the development I I thought that was going to come back when they come back for the trees that is so it wouldn't be they have to come back is it's a SE so I I submitted a entry um picture um uh from wolfscape did a uh entry Landscaping plan sign location in types of trees I think 66 um I did see that did you have a chance to review that yeah I I thought it looked good I actually all com the only thing is the tree in front of each house that's that's all right I'll retract that then so the uh land the Landscaping entrance is approved as

submitted the construction agreement performance bond and maintenance Bond are to be approved before final plan and signed off on the covenants and restrictions are reviewed and approved by the city which I that happened today is that correct no Wetlands you can take that one off theist okay so yeah so that still is a condition of approval covenants and restrictions are reviewed and submitted to the city for approval and then Mr gelates the only two that were outstanding from his was the sidewalks are to be 5 foot in width and that the storm water management plan be approved by Mr gelotti what will be coming back in front of the board as a separate approval will be the up texure of the homes proposed the locations of the mailboxes be shown and agreed upon that should probably realistically be part of your plat too because it's going to I don't know how that's going to potentially affect your layout I mean I'm guessing it would probably just go on common area somewhere but I would say maybe at least identify on there I don't think it has to be it may be the one tree in front of each that's a brand new one that's the new one yes and the other one would be for the uh

trees that would be going in front of the homes right be reviewed and approved by the board as well that's say a separate this that's is a separate the street trees for the homes the architecture and the final location of the mailboxes so those are the three things we'll come back those are the three things you will come back for those are not part of the plat approval today is that a is that a motion that was my that was my motion I'll second it anybody feel that I missed anything Street [Music] lighting for later dat Street lighting I thought that was already it was addressed in this uh packet that we received today okay and Mr jly okay J standard City standard Colonial lights with 150 entrance sign you do not submit that would be done separately correct the actual sign itself yeah I thought I did but maybe I didn't that I remember I might not I think so that would be the only other additional item that would be coming back for p approval so I'll I'll run through those those last four items essentially that would be coming back for approval to this board would be entrance signage location of the mailboxes architecture and Street trees in front of the homes those four items are not approved tonight part of future approval did you get all that that's kind of messy but yeah yes

any further discussions I believe I heard you say that's all inclusive on a revised plan to scale did I did all right it's under record all all approve all in favor I I all all right thank you thank you both have a great night thanks so there's no need to call you anywh catch up with you but I didn't know it was a rich no that one was okay for sure pass let the record show that Mr West rejoin woke up number five all right all right next up is uh Peak Nano 8854 Valley View Road patiently waiting thanks thank you can get your name for the record Trevor dice company um much this is this is a new

one so why don't you just give us a brief overview of what what uh what is planned out here and what Peak Nano P Nano is a Plastics film manufacturing company and uh they're expanding they're actually a little north of this current uh location or where they're planning to build here and they just uh they get plastic pellets they heat them up in the oven they stretch them out flat and uh little film for the capacitors for you know the new electric car industry coming up capacitors are going to be a big sell for and that's why they're expanding one of their big things so so they need a lot of uh a lot of space indoors um they're ordering equipment from Germany which has been U purchased so that equipment has a delivery date which is why things are overlapping on this project where we need to get get a roof over their delivery location so um so yeah things are are are kind of going to be phased in this project we'll probably you know we'll probably submit for footage and Foundations and uh and then you know core and shell and then interior build outs because things are moving fast at this point this is where the that Landscape Supply or whatever it's like rock like concrete they would go away they're gone or um they're they're purchasing the property off off them them they're they're going to pack up and leave okay okay guys I still see trucks going kind of asking the question I was like wasn't sure if that you guys were going to share it with them or what okay okay yeah all right well then uh Mr Francis you like go over start your comments sure um and so that I

understand then it is just once acquired it's one single user the applicant that is correct tenant uh my report dated March 1st um so the applicant is proposing to construct um 48t tall 238,000 square foot manufacturing building property located 885 for valy viw Road um the the site does contain two Parcels 1.44 Acres um which fronts on uh on Valley View and then the back larger obviously piece is [Music] at that municipality line so that we don't have to go pull permits in two different municipalities and and get construction licenses in two different municipalities so that Peak nana will fall solely in Macedonia and all of those what appears to be trailers or some sort of outdoor storage that'll eventually be gone yeah that's my understanding is that's that's part of the uh the current site owner yeah so and if it is that's all going to be gone with this project it's my understanding of it [Music] yes um so in the the site plan proposes the 238,000 score for building with future um a potential future expansion area as well that's included onto the uh

to the site plan shows um rail Spurs yes sir and then the concept location for storm water management some landscape mounding to assist with screening the building from valy view there's a 75 ft access easement provided to the South and coming from the existing insance driveway um I just I didn't know what the purpose of that access driveway and hence my question about on the site yeah it it'll be for a future uh development and I have excuse me I have sketched up 100,000 square foot building on that site um in that triangle with uh the proper setbacks from uh our districts in the Triangle in Northfield Center yes sir yeah and so I and I don't I stay out of the politics but I'm sure the city would love to have that in Macedonia as opposed to yeah I don't know how that's going to work out because CU nobody can access it from you know the other side the Northfield Township so um and would be your fire department and your Police Department responding to anything in that area so yeah good um well thanks for the clarification I just wasn't sure what the purpose of that ex was um the from a youth standpoint um the general industrial district does permit uh warehousing and that kind of comes via um the uh Li District so it's kind of a ukian approach um it specifically permits outdoor storage with certain screening and setback standards uh the access to that General industrial land is provided through an existing driveway that zone residential to the best of my knowledge a driveway located through residentially

Zone lands to access non-residential property is acceptable I I don't see any proov in in the code anywhere we I I will have to submit for variance in the cut with oh okay so we understand that um and you know they won't have many trucks I mean three a week or three or four a week um but those trucks need to make that turn um because they're the three or four week is bringing in the Raw product that then gets turned into the pets and then loaded onto the rail yeah yeah that's their incoming and outgoing it's not it's not high traffic yeah it's not high traffic um so from a preliminary development plan standpoint uh the plan does adhere to the seac standards identified in section 116904 F the height is 46 ft which aderes to the maximum of 60 ft um now comes the parking issue so legend of the site plan states that 132 off street parking spaces are provided and the buildings proposed to be to 23 3807 um but sheet pp1 states that the buildings proposed to be 238 870 and 136 parking spaces are provided sheet pp1 also provides a breakdown for the uh usage of the building that breakdown totals 23951 I'm assuming it's just clerical mistakes it's well it's it's when I'm working on it and Matt Weber's working on his you already you just you just told us the problem he says hello by the way I think we should bring him in here drag him in here he's probably racing some Porsche somewhere you heard that man I'll make them I'll make him available next time so all right so yeah those just clear up

those it's minor discrepancy just C up and I didn't know I can get a 20% reduction uh in parking but uh that'll be my other variance request as parking so at the end of the day the 20% is just there right but you still need a variance you don't have enough parking so and my suspicion is you you know what your parking needs are based on that building it's it's overp parked at 136 spaces yes yeah so so yeah you just have to go to the Bardon appeals to seek that that variance um so uh comment number four section 11711 E2 permits off street parking in the front yard provided screen with Landscaping I just stated that um the landscape Mountain should be extended slightly to the South to properly screen the parking in the front of the building fairly minor but just needs to be extended a little bit uh and then you already talked about the maximum Drive apron at 36 ft yes you're going to seek a variance for that we already talked about that um that uh access easement um and it doesn't sound like those trailers and that's all going to go away which is a welcome sign yeah and I'm not sure when this picture was was taken either so they might already be G I haven't been out there in a while uh let me look at that picture uh that is recent okay I'm sure they're they're still there are they still there okay yeah that was that was probably that was probably in um the fall of just past year so reason recent um comment s sheet e z address the site lighting but it's not legible so just provide a updated photometrics

plan it's just hard it was just too hard to read I laser correction surging still doesn't help me yeah the the the PDFs can zoom in and read those pretty clearly but I'll change the height of the text I'm an oldfashioned old man I like paper good good uh building architectures document on sheet a301 proposes pre-cast um wall panel I'm assuming it's like tilt up construction is what you're pre-cast yeah um the build so the Building architecture is subject to standards outline 1172 the code I just recommended that um Miss Schultz review it and she may have comments in here I will be reaching out to Pam yeah so we just want to work through make it um conditional on get work it through with those comments with Miss s uh dumpster location just needs to be documented on the final plan any building mechanical units should be depicted and methods to screen them um and in storm water management you have a concept location of the storm water management sure the engineers up need full details for your next um approval process so love that you guys are acquiring it on behalf of these guys or you're developing it and they're going to take over however that Arrangement is it's going to clean the site and bring jobs to the city so it's a great great use of the property look forward to helping finalize the project so you didn't have any real you know some comments some some some things to note some things to clean up but but no major problems with anything on the site no no no just I mean all stuff just little details to work through you got to get some variances and come back for the final plan approval we're not concerned with comments either good good good Mr Jo yeah uh yeah happy to see you guys are redeveloping the site I feel the same way Brian does so that's a good thing uh storm water management he already

touched on that so uh when you get to that uh part in the process Matt Weber will put together all the appropriate detail design and calculations and that shouldn't be an issue so he said he'd have it to me today so oh really day is not over out I was going to see you'll get at about 2 in the morning 3 or 3 Tom email tell is late yeah uh I also raised a question about the future development to the south of of the property here and you do have the easement uh so you already spoke to that uh are indicating that the I guess we'll call it the triangle for lack of a better word would eventually be a separately owned parcel with a completely separate business on it and um and if if that's the case you would need that paral would need an access easement all the way to Road well the a the access um I see what you're saying yeah they would have to extend that to the existing access the easement would have to go through the ex yeah I think so yeah yeah that was a landlock parcel which I'm not even sure if that's allowed but if it was they'd have to have an access easement all get them all the way to a public road like Valley View that's a good question would if if we split that off do I need to provide Frontage becomes landlocked so I don't know it's usually not allowed but I I would defer to him yeah I'd have to have a yeah a leg in the property line come out and give Frontage is it across tracks across across tracks yeah it's a a unusual one for sure so and I'm sorry were you thinking you would create that as a separate parcel I'm assuming that's why the well I mean right right now it's it's all purchased as one yeah yeah so if if

um if Peak Nano builds it and leases it it's not an issue that right so I don't know how that Arrangement is going to go in the future yeah and I don't know that that you know isn't a topic for tonight I guess I'm just asking the question no it's good thought would it be one parcel or does a triangle get split off it gets split off certainly presents some more complications yeah right right now it's it's the whole boot yeah right the whole boot looking shape parcel so yeah let's just all keep that in mind going forward um all right let's keep going uh it' be nice to have a topographic map we just get the one plan sheet right now yeah we just we just received this received the survey a week ago okay so it's forthcoming yes okay so that would be good I needed to to do my studies for the screening so M oh I'm sure yeah and then along those lines it' be nice to see how the utility connections or how this new building is going to be serviced by the different utilities y Matt Matt will have a utility plan that'd be fantastic then uh I see that you're proposing to pave the dryway that uh leaves the site and heads to the north which up to the up to the cuac up to the culde saac of where it becomes a public road again to that that cold stack and I think that's a great idea to pave that road um but I do got to ask the question eventually that road leaves the subject property and goes on the property that's owned I Believe by the railroad and then the jwd property also utilizes this um let's call it a private access drive so I think all three of those need to somehow come together uh we just need to be sure that it's all above board so we're not

permitting you to do work on somebody else's property you know what I mean y I'll reach out to uh Simon Kaplan and see what he arranged with okay the seller and the buyer yeah that would be good you know and it may wind up a little bit similar to the U NCR apartments or Divinity Landing whatever they call themselves where we wound up with three different people using one private driveway so we had to get it up to code let's call it um so let's keep that in mind as we go uh forward uh as well and then uh you know the parking lot driveway needs to be curved and I know this is just a preliminary plan it doesn't really say one way or another if it's curved so so is that the uh all access roads and fire roads and everything curved well kind of think that's where we start yeah okay that's it that's all I got that's enough uh and we actually Building Commissioner and I met U earlier and we reviewed the things that the fire was concerned about as far as sprinkler fire alarm and 360 access and fire lines and they were okay with all that it's not this Planning Commission was it prea meeting yeah yeah have any big issues those things be yeah I'm curious what what is this road this road like there what what is that that's that's railroad track I thought the railroad track was was yeah it's on both sides oh you got two okay so that's a railroad track right there yep on the east side we'll be pulling a Spur off of that well we'll be designing a Spur that I don't know if in this phase they'll actually and so this this road here would be you go over the goes over the railroad track I guess this little

little path here in the yeah yes that that's an existing access okay you know you have anything okay questions for you guys anything else besides the Tony head I'll go because it it kind of pigtails off of his um you mentioned that the product their finished product goes out on rail are you well um no I think they're incoming uh so materials com on rail com in on rail I don't know if you if you know enough to speak to this but does that significantly increase the railroad rail traffic on that spur um like are they getting trains twice a day or you know no no um no it's it's uh plastic pellets that would come in a Spur off of that around back and uh it would have a a vacuum type of pipe system to pull that from the rail uh into the building and then that's that that's incoming product so I think uh I think it's actually kind of slow going from that because they melt it so thin for uh the capacitor so it's it's they can walk up and have have stock they're not getting load in every day you yeah that's the spirit of the question is there's two residential neighborhoods or that spur continues on so is it going to increase traffic that's going to pull in between those neighborhoods stop back into back into theirs well you say increase traffic I mean one one rail a week would increase traffic so well yeah I guess what I'm saying is it once a week twice a week I don't I don't expect you to know that but I would like to hear some more information on that in the future being high traffic okay yeah I mean if outgoing trucks aren't that high and then incoming is used up slower than outgoing okay um I don't know if if the company you're

working with could maybe estimate that with the when they come back for future approval I just like to he if they can do that AR actual had some question um where was that which was one of my question too that there's going to be proposing landscape mouning and screening up front along Valley Road and maybe we're not getting into that detail now but do you have an idea how how tall how big that would be would is a building be able to se be seen from the street considering it's what 45 ft tall um I do have uh some uh I did I did look at that so I looked around I didn't see the north the north corner of the building and the South corner of the building um average from Mimosa Drive the residential Boulevard going into the development there that average distance from there is 700 ft um the elevation at that drive is 1058 um I just got the finished floor elevation of this building Friday to be at 10:27 so it is lower um finished grade is even lower than that it's four feet on that East wall because of the dock wall um those walls at 46 feet high bring the top of the wall at 1069 so you have top wall 1069 and you have this Boulevard at 1058 at 700 ft apart um so if if your eyes are at that level um you are one degree looking up one degree to hit the top of the wall oh so it's it's almost like it's down in a hole down a hole it yeah okay I just I see mounding and screening I just was thinking oh well you know is it a 1 foot Mound or is it a 20 foot Mound but when you describe it that way well so as as that terrain drops in that

700 ft you won't see it somewhere in the middle that we have trees mhm and those trees you know if it's 46 and halfway let's say it's 20 ft um and you have a mound and and a 20 foot tree you're you're blocking the view yeah you know and 700 fet is you know for two two football fields and it's pretty good distance from Valley be Road just asking more for the record because I know the existing business there threw some Arbor of idy out there about five or six years ago half of them die the rest don't grow because they don't get watered and they don't really do a darn thing there right might I haven't driven down valy be road with um the thought of looking at the trees uh recently um so my point of reference is Google Earth probably just like you guys that's what I'm looking at right now um so yeah and there are some trees there and you know in the winter without some of the leaves a lot of those are evergreens too so the city has a really nice tall mound of grass in front of the uh service building there be really nice if there were a bunch of trees on it but but yeah so I just wanted to get more information on that yeah and there's there's still you know it says uh and her comment is to shield from adjacent residential um but keep in mind the adjacent property is a real property that's probably 100 feet in width or 50 ft in width to add to add to that so um I just started looking at this study but I will give a site section um through the building up the ballet I'll show the trees I'll show the house I'll show the development so I'll see your line of sight and I know that she's concerned about screening of of rooftop units and Nino already gave me a heads up on this uh I

know she's concerned about that and and you know we'll take a look at it um you know but she's also concerned about the mass of the building being 46 and there's also screening with architectural Elements which means me raising the walls of a 46 foot wall so hey got to pick your poison here um and I know there's other ways to screen units but I think uh at the distance of of the average of two football fields I I would probably propose if I could just paint them Ohio gray skies color and let them disappear you I mean you're going to show some line of sight perspective yes that would be ideal yeah and I'll show it it accurate I I just got the top poost from Matt who got them from the survey so I I just didn't get a chance to to you know really dig into it but I have till next Friday realistically these people are going to be the ones that are going to be more affected by it than anybody because these people pulling out are almost blocked by yeah this they're going to see that building a little bit but these people are going to be more and I know there's trees right there and then it also drops down so I think I mean if anybody's going to see it more would be probably these folks and really nobody over I mean if their way upstairs and like in an upper floor there they'll probably they're definitely going to see the building but I sure hope that those people would be happy to see yeah out I don't think so got delivered and then think D alone would be say it's good in the summer they're running water hoses on Mimosa to keep the dust from the trucks going and out down so yeah that'll be good thank you that's all I have yeah that back I just want to bring

up the point that it's going to come up in the future I understand the electrical to displ is gantic and a lot of this gear is coming from Germany yes sir and a lot of that gear is going to meet the European Standard however I don't believe that that has you at list thing that's required here in the United States so I call the board of BU standard and just for your information is they have a list of agencies that would certify that so you could use that in the United States um yeah so when when this equipment comes in it's it's it's going to be coming in on box trucks and crates and assembled and the one line is like 500 ft long um the bay inside the building is 82 ft wide clear span I would have no idea what I'm looking at this so um so yeah to get to get these Commissioned I think that's still part of the process is get certified uh for yeah yeah and and I think Brookner which is the company that's building this this stuff uh when they're building it I I think they understand it's coming to America so so their standards are are probably met in their production but I'm probably not the person to say one right so I'm I just put lines on paper no enough to be dangerous okay well if nobody else has any thoughts on it I think uh good I think made this I think the building looks nice um I think it'll be just I think just the the section will tell more story but I think otherwise yeah I do have a question um after today's meeting we we'd like to get on site we have arrangements with the current owner since it's it's really not changed hands yet to clear trees um

is that is that the standard commercial application and I Mark other in put tree clearing yeah is that the only sheet that I need okay I just I gotta get that to Kevin so that he can get off my back that's all I think we're looking at preliminary plan approv so is anybody want to make a motion I'll make a motion that we preliminary approve the uh new Peak Nano building for G companies with the following conditions puras what's that just conditions noted oh yeah that's I was to uh with all the conditions being met by the reviewers meaning uh Mr France Mr gelotti and Miss Schultz being addressed before final approval is given or when they come back for final approval second I'll second that all right any more discussion on that all in favor I I good project thank you almost all right uh building addition for uh Blackburn on Freeway Drive stay warm on one you have to deal with we'll accept that challenge accepted yeah I want to start out then or I guess get

your news for Susan sure uh Greg Seer representing uh MBL Architects this evening Jimmy Blackburn the owner of the property all right uh let you just give us a quick quick overview sure yeah uh this is a fairly straightforward uh expansion to the existing building it's a 20,000 s foot expansion off of the north side of the building there is existing Drive is coming down into the the front of this building the building will be set back from the existing front of the existing building I should say and uh We've uh read all of the staff comments and have no issues with them we will submit for planning variant uh per those comments and get that in before the deadline on Friday uh we don't have any issues with any of the other comments and look forward to putting those together and we were going to be using Matt Weber as nin ER but based upon the last we may switch to someone else I'm [Laughter] kidding but yeah we're we're just at uh getting the S similar to the the G project that was just here also just getting the survey information to the civil engineer to get all of those details worked out that'll need to be done before we submit here for final approval and we're here to just answer any questions you might have and hopefully you find favor with this and move us along and we can get this expansion built okay Mr France you like to go over your com sure yeah uh so my report dat of March 2nd um and effectively he just outlined my comments it sounds like you don't have any concern with what um I suggest obviously we need the plan to scale um for seem like a Energizer Bunny when I keep making that comment but um yeah it's job be drawn the scale and then uh the

parking as you would indicate you need to go for a variance for that um and then I just suggest we have some Landscaping uh for the um for the uh for the site um get screen the parking areas even though you have existing just you really need sh have some Landscaping so suggested that and then we'll come back to architecture photometrics plan um just uh PL the pole should be shielded differently or something lowered to reduce the foot candle strength down the half foot or less seems like a fairly easy thing to do um dumpster needs to be screened need to provide the methods to screen it again concept location for storm water management City Engineers can to ask for more details um and then uh sheet a 101 and that's the just some clear up sheet there 101 states that seven new spaces are being added to the site but they're not graphically depicted appears that the parking lot along the north property line titled parking space is five and the two adjacent uh the two adjacent uh to north of the existing building TI parking spaces to is meant to service the seven just clarification yeah yeah we'll get that cleaned up yeah it'll be part of our variance approval or submission so yeah so all the comments are really you know they're nothing significant that would hold the project up you need to go get the variance so provided you get that it to come back with a scale plan for final plan approval and would recommend uh approval to the the commission subject to those

items okay good okay thank you chairman uh Brian already touched on stormm Water Management so you show a spot in the back for a retention pond so that's great so uh when you get to that point in the process obviously you'll submit your uh detailed calculations for that we'll review those um uh similar to Mr coin who was here earlier uh we would need a wetland delineation of the site think you're clean but I can't tell you that for sure uh so make sure you get that please and submit it uh to us here please do that and then last uh I would suggest that you show the truck maneuver uh turn analysis on the plan here uh just so we make sure that this all works the way you think it will so I mean I'm sure you've already looked at that but we should see it graphically on the on the plan typically for this type of thing we do get that diagram so we do that's all I have chairman all right thank you m um so the original existing building is sprinkling alarm and uh the size would also require sprinkler for the storage and then depending on the separation office whether it's you know separate fire area might also I know what intention is yeah the the entire 20,000 ft will be sprink sprinkler alarm that's our department comment all right you know you're good um then you guys obviously saw the uh architectural comments sounds like you don't don't have any problem with that yeah well you know it's we'll put something together and and and see if we can make that uh you know meet the requirements of the ordinances okay you know when you go out there and physically look you can't see

the building even from the highway but even when you're on Freeway Drive there's probably about a 10 foot grade change between the road and the where the front of this addition is going to be it's going to be if I put screening for the parking lot we won't even see this addition so maybe I can do it that way but you know we'll we'll work with uh the materials that we have and see if we can't uh meet the ordinance intent get sign off from the architectural consultant just a thought just kind of looking at I guess my one recommendation would be there maybe just even just the front of the building try to get that to match the front of the Edition front of the Edition have that match the the existing front of the building and the side I mean I I agree with that I mean as you go further down you're you're not really going to see it and the back of it fronts the railroad so I think just from like the front standpoint maybe just figuring out a way to do that wrap it around the corner just a little bit and I think that would be sufficient enough to kind of Meet the intent of the code and also from a visual perspective so it doesn't just look like a an addition yep okay we we take that all into consideration and we don't want to come back here and have to arm russle with anybody so we'll figure out we'll figure out a solution thanks tell anything I'm chis you guys want to argue about anything no allend okay when you started the meeting and said we're going to move the agenda I was like yes that's so lucky yeah you're still at the end turned off the heat there's still one out there um yeah I think I think it's just similar motion to last time approval

preliminary I'll recommend that we make a preliminary plan approval for the new addition to Black burn OEM wheels um with the conditions of Mr Fran's memo being addressed in mat uh the variances that are going to be required for the site are uh taken for zoning board Mr gelotti's uh comments and then just uh looking at the architecture from uh Miss SCH comments as well I'll second that any other comments on all right all in favor I all right thank you how we do that was pretty good not bad for not being a sign or com back successful he really did make it fast yeah and then there was one I'm starting to get angry made can we Pizza out of your just you know we need an intermission or or something right popcorn machine in the hallway maybe the FL what's that throw peanuts on the floor right the shelves leave here for city council they need Thursday oh let's see who this is oh wowd [Applause] welcome back y all right just just for the record can we get names just for

Susan Sean Thompson Tex T all right uh want to give us an update um yeah so we um after last time we were here we did get through a couple of variances I saw that those were recognized in the in the review comments um so that's good we've tried to address the other on specifically um addressing the architecture of the building um trying to get away from the um pre-engineered metal building look um we have also updated the um Landscaping planel that looks like there were still some some comments about Landscaping um we did try to to even take another stab at that um in terms of sight stuff still working on the detention Basin and working that out with um in conjunction with the wetlands piece of that so um we know we'll have to be back for a final version of that we're just not done with that piece yet um but the the the main gist of trying to get in was to to see if we we had made enough progress on the architecture appearance of the building um and to where we could try to accelerate our process and up the D okay all right U Mr France you want to go over your your comments sure um my report dated March 1st for the sake of the temperature in the room in time I the first I won't read the first page but basically the the purpose the first page is to clearly identify and you guys are aware we talked about it last time um the retail piece of this uh when that comes a fruition for whoever the tenant may be they need to come back and get a

conditional Zone certificate before that person to the code or not authorizing that this this evening or R Subs need to submit a separate application judging by a lot of heads nodding for the affirmative Mo uh mention to the record you all acknowledge that that's the case yes thank you uh so then final development plan approval um as stated the there was an action of the board of zoning appeals so um a variance was great uh uh granted for those reduced yard setbacks so just my action item notes that um the parking still just needs to be correctly identified the required off street parking standard so um you can take my little thing and copy it in a table that's fine you have editorial rights to it y okay but just so it corly identifies it uh section 11711 E2 with regarding with regard to the um parking in side yard no issue it has to be screened I just um I just felt that the board's U uh isn't what we'd want to see for screening we can we have a landscape architect on the commission here maybe tells me I'm crazy but I just suggested something maybe a little more dense than maybe like a western red cedar or something to up screening a little better right well I think they oh yeah um yeah that are these around the around the AC unit um so this comment specifically talks about the parking in the sidey sorry so let's see that was this um and the so the landscape that we were working back came

back with a um I can't read this up it's a Arbor VA yep that's bench better yeah what what kind um I cannot read this upside downtism I don't have the common name for it ttha ttha oh yeah do we uh is there ating yeah I know I'm kind of picky about there's there's the oxident Alis which deer like to eat and then there's um plada so if you just rate PL and then make sure they just pick something that's okay is tahua oxid dentalis so don't use that one right uh theia plada would be much better I was going to say the same thing is that I I I knew you were going there I could see it bonus points spell it I can't read it I was just wondering is that English go ahead yeah uh then the variance is granted on the apron so then we get to Common five about the um outdoor storage uh sheet Alis one provides no landscape screen in these areas so we need to screen your outdoor storage so all the down this side I guess it's it's dense that's all Woods according to last time we met we were not you guys weren't concerned because this is all Woods on the west side of the property and then on the east side of the property it's all the trees the big deciduous Maples that are down on the property that are in between myself and the adjacent property there so that was discussed I think one of the first meetings this is all Woods like this is literally your western side you're saying the western side and the Eastern side both B those

woods no no no no oh okay yeah so you need to screen your property from view screen it from what though th those you have there's no guarantee those woods are going to remain there those are weapons that's all weapons they those will remain not you cannot build on that property we talked about that I don't well I wasn't here I had to leave at the very end so wasn't part of that conversation but what you're saying is the back of that property where I'm talking about to be screen which is your outdoor area that I just circled correct that's all Wetland on someone else's property correct and you have documentation of that Wetland on that property to show that it's never going to be yeah it should be in in the uh delineation report on the on that it should be shown on it at least it should probably be indicated that there is likely Wetland but I don't know if they cross the I can't say with certainty W scientist would not delineate Wetlands off the propert off of the property someone else's property that's not usually the case at all so they might have put that there was like just the way that this slopes and drains down there they might have said that it was likely Wetlands but they I know they didn't certify it as such and even if it was wet lens it could be developed in the future I like Mr coin is doing he was here ear it might be detention actually I think the when they developed it I feel like it is kind of excavated out oh that's right the detention Pond is there there is a pond there is the detention upon there so there was no way to build there was no way to build in that strip and then on the Eastern side that's all deciduous and Evergreens in between my property and the property on the Eastern property going that way you see it all the way between myself and I'm not sure used to be Cena the trees are on your property though the trees are on my property yes

I I apologize I wasn't here at the end of that meeting was it determined by this commission that you didn't have to screen that area when was a meeting December J think so I think the coming was was I don't think I was um I could look for I'm having trouble remembering a little detail that detail it sounds like something we probably would have oh that sounds reasonable there's already would but also not thinking of what your your thinking behind it not having that um but we may have uh thought that that seemed a reasonable don't they go through Pam anyway not for the Landscaping the landscape AR okay I thought you have something to do so the reason I mean so typically the commission historically has always required screening has not allowed trees on other property to be used for screening on the property in question for development the most recent example would be the hotel um they tried using someone else's trees as they screening and the commission said no you have to screen on your property so while I understand that that's an area that as the example I just gave is more um visible from the road the code does State you have to screen out outo storage areas can't control the screening on somebody else's property yeah the basis behind it right yeah I guess if if if if it came up if it was discussed me May probably

whoever was here at that moment maybe didn't realize the the item that Mr France is talking about um but I guess if the codes requires you to screen it and you know screening is occurs on your own property probably would need to do that um is this visible from the road at all this place no yeah well I don't know didn't this come up before I don't know uh I would require such a thing from what they're saying uh they'd have to jam trees in front of trees I guess and uh but whatever the they used on the east side as you be try to jam trees in front of existing trees on this on this property line as well because if you look at a overhead on Google same situation you you try to jam trees on top of trees here there Arch trees that are yours on that side corre on the east side yeah six foot they've got trees all along there that are six foot that yeah that's a six foot on their operating at least six foot of them is what they own the other side right so there's there screening on that one side and there's some in the back this is Old Woods again back here too mhm and those trees on the Eastern property line to which six speed is yours and the remainder goes into Twinsburg Township you're providing parking up to a distance of 6 ft to your property line what are your grading limits in that area it's gr just to the edge of that parking lot yeah there's going to be a little bit of roll from the edge of the from the property line to the parking so you're going to grade beyond the limits of the parking space a little bit into

the six fet you're using as your landscape yes how far I maybe half of that 3T and how are we able to ensure that those trees and that vegetation survives we're it's actually I think in that location on the east side I think we're actually slightly building up versus cutting down into those tree roots um and it's it's a m we only have to go a little bit just to that that edge of if I'm if I remember the grading plane correctly that it's not a nice smooth slope which was what we're trying to get so we're trying to absorb at most like a foot of difference between our edge of our parking and the property line so you're going to fill on top so we there's a couple correct we're not cutting down in we're that could actually be I hate to say it that could actually be worse suffocates The Roots Roots need to be actually close to the surface I I haven't walked the edge of that property to see I mean the the tree roots could be on his property I mean some of them are decent sized trees and they're planted pretty close to the to the property line grading plan would help there it's being worked on who owns the property then do you guys own all the way back to what looks that's the railroad forur or railroads or do you own just to almost like where that other who owns that tree line but who owns that property back there then the neighboring the neighbor to the west okay skag Industries is the exact owner of that one gotcha okay that's a big Warehouse like what that's what I'm saying with that warehouse there you can't even see that with that gigantic Warehouse there's no way even to get visibility from our build even our building at that point goinging off the

West I mean is that required it seems very reasonable protective I guess that's that's this kind of our approach is that looking at this and the sight lines from Highland Road that by the time you get to the you we intentionally put the outdoor storage in the back where it would be less visible that well I mean could we could we approve it that if they that I mean there's trees here right now I don't disagree it's not visible um but if those trees were ever to come down then it would be your responsibility to then screen The Outdoor Store is that something we can I know it becomes an enfor I know unless they're going to put up a financial guarantee I don't know how you enforce it unless they want to um agree to have their permit remoted I don't think they're going to want to do that with with no get into the legal panel yeah yeah guess they seem reasonably protected to me I mean if the concern is not seeing the outdoor storage from another Warehouse I that I don't you know we we took it to we're trying to make sure that the average public driving down the road can't see it that was our that was our mindset maybe they could delineate um a tree protection Zone as part of their landscape plan we could do that yeah I think that would provide some Assurance going stay a good idea I don't understand that what does that mean yeah it was just there you it you provide a uh kind of a line

showing where some uh construction fencing will go in detail and then um you can do that sides and you provide it in those CR around the critical root zones of those existing trees and then that all um that becomes part of the construction documents then the contractor has to install that and then during construction they can't grade or and rate you know in a good spe black Sil fence you the black Sil you normally see I guess is the easiest way to say that Sil fence that's two or 3 foot high that they roll out and they stake every 15 F feet or 20 ft to protect tree roots or what you want to protect in that area it's the easiest way to to think of that so A visual I guess on the east side you've got trees of your own to protect I guess there's nothing necessarily on your property I guess that's you know to Mr Francis Point even if you do that on the West Side there's nothing on your property to protect oh but okay if I'm look this way there's 10 ft from here to your property line right and is are there trees there now no not that there might be a little bit of scrub tree any tree that's worth saving is there is some in the back corner right here on their property so like right about here but then from there forward I think is what the doesn't appear to be anything I guess to what extent would we be looking for for screening how how dense how in an area like that um I mean you have a limited amount of space to work with right I mean one side east side you only

have 6 fing filling in some of that area you more on the West Side you have 10 ft to the property L it looks like correct mhm um and I understand it's tucked back there I I get that it may not always be tucked back there but it is for the time being the biggest thing to take into consideration as well with that is anything that we plan I mean unless you want us to put 304 foot trees in there is going to be lower than the existing level of all the trees so it's I'm not trying to sound silly or smartass but at the end of the day it's that unless we put 30 or 40 foot mature crazy trees in there you're never going to see it past can you guys see a visual overhead of that or no like are you looking at Google so you can see it like that stuff's all but I think they would want something lower and more dense anyway we trying to you would it would be wasting any time and effort because all this stuff would be correct but I think what he's saying is you own those so if someone would come in and wipe out the W Wetland then your trees are now there I got you I see what you're saying it seems reasonably protected it it does but I guess it doesn't yeah if we don't have any wiggle room we don't have any wiggle room yeah so this is this is in the code this is a requirement to screen outdoor storage on your own property is that what you're saying well it's always on your own property yes but I mean so but that is all in in there so I mean short of uh a variance is that even a they could do you could do some fencing too if you want want to maybe just do some fencing since that area isn't very wide you could do some fencing to screen how tall is these it's going to be a block wall already they're like the bin blocks so

those are going to be 10 foot tall yeah so you're going to have three you're going to have three blocks high which are three six n so the top of the block with concrete or with the pavement or everything else back there is going to be n you're going to be 9 foot tall right there looks like they got a wall already right I you're storing what like gravel and things exactly 100% yes I mean if you wanted to split hair you could they can approve um less screening through unique and sensitive design of the building in sight imagine facade design that's first that's what we did yeah sound block the block three foot block section stacked high of 9 ft doesn't sound super imaginative no not imaginative and then you know I don't know what that is there what what is what what is it screening for theer is that a tree bush like I'm trying to understand more the these are more of the Arbor VA try to create a screen wall so that's your Gap in between these the block walls a building landscape and then the the bin blocks of the back so what were you reading there again Mr Francis able to do be sensitive about what imagine a facade design abundant or abundant Landscaping extensive buring um and this this is regard to your screening your outdoor storage area does 9 foot concrete block walls count yeah I mean if I the you know again I understand the Dilemma it's tuck back there I feel like the stuff to the West is more likely to get exposed at some point in the future because that property owner to the West when they go

to do any sort of building on the property it's going to be closer to this West property line you're talking about this here well yeah although you got that big retention their retention Pond was cut a driveway in on the east side of that pond and well except that I I think if they do actually get into it they will find that there's Wetlands that Focus down this this drains this way but that's a supposition doesn't make the parcelable right doesn't make it unsellable or unable but I I well that's not a separate parcel that's part of the other parcel correct okay I said them to think it was a separate no but his question was could they come around and and build something here and clear this and I mean I I guess but or could you cut a driveway to the the back part of the property and now the driveway is exposed you they' taken all the trees down that are along the driveway going back to the big chunk and now it's exposed possibly except that they've already got an access e through his property to access this back because you can't actually get to this part from the from their part correct correct so I feel like we all up here kind of kind of agree that what what's there is kind of reasonable but it's also something in the code that we kind of feeling like we can't really get out of is that can they do some are you able to do anything with that you got those stack 3x3 or whatever stack thing can you do anything on that for side of that I mean would you guys accept like a I mean paint a mirror I was thinking oh you know maybe some kind of a veneer design you know so I don't know can can they split face the back of them so it's just not solid

concrete what's the Mega Millions right now yeah I don't know I don't have a sense of those things so might be cheaper just put are these let me ask you this since we have 10 foot there what what if we did like what if we back filled with some fill on that and then if you wanted to that would just look like a Hillside and then above that we just did a simpler thing that we wouldn't have to work about resistance as drought water deer anything else and just did like six those six foot tall grasses that actually provide winter aspect or winter interest as well I was just going to actually suggest that I was I mean with that instead of instead of you just seeing a block wall we fil behind it you know as much as we could to provide obviously you know you don't want to go straight off the wall but within that 10 foot you back fill behind them 3 4 foot high and we did winter winter interested perineal grasses on the back side of the wall that something so so that would probably work on the west side correct yeah on the east side we don't really have east side there's nothing we can do there I mean the trees are there TI the best I think we could do on the east side would be to try to just put a couple of ornamental shrubs down there to break up the appearance of the big block bin wall but again the only one seeing that side is if you're in that building's parking lot next door even coming from the East Direction because of the way that other building that old arcena building is built it's in front of us so you won't even see that East approach on that on that back lot as well I guess uh since you're just getting the grading is there any way to try to do the grading to minimize the chance that you're going to you impact the the uh East the east side of it east side yeah I mean that's that's been our goal obviously can't we can't go on the neighbor's property and grade their

property either so everything we do has to they may not like that can I ask this question can we could you guys I'm just trying to think of a way to like guess help you find some additional buffering there on the east side could you take do your driver need to be that 30 ft and could you truncate that down closing just up a little bit off of that property off of like give you a little bit more than your six foot there to we could look at that I me we did come back we we did a pretty extensive truck turning analysis back here and that's why we BK variances we did um but we could maybe see if we can squeeze a a little bit more out of it on the East side I mean I'm fine with the solution of taking and and mounding up a little bit on the back sides of those and then are these blocks that you're having cast for this are these blocks that you have basically the if everyone know what they are they're the 2T by 4T by 6t or 4T yeah the stackable with the interlock that you that you stack on top they do make them in a split face not a split face but a cultured but I mean realistically it triples the cost of the block I mean and I'm not they're $100 a piece and they go to $300 a piece when you go and ask them to do that initial I guess they call it a stamp face is what they would call it it's just yeah it's just it's I think maybe doing what what you suggested Scots yeah try try to mount or try to slope slope it off and put put maybe it's is some taller grasses um that are kind of you know back up in case they ever come through here on the east side I would say I mean if you if you've actually the if these are yours and you've got it covered on this side you know maybe it's it's it's the fencing to try and protect it during construction but if there's any you know

if you can I know you can't guarantee that they're not going to get into that but if there's things you can do to minimize it could can you lose a couple of feet in take a little bit of your 10 feet steal like foot or foot and a half from there and pull that whole thing up and give yourself another foot and a half on that on that six foot side and then that maybe helps we can sh two the Varian so but but really kind of what's driving it is we have the scale people come they come in we get loaded up and come back out but trying to maintain also a safe distance here that's where our pinch Point really what is your pinch point there what is that that distance I think it's like 27 ft so it maybe could cut down a little bit he's got decent sized trucks coming through there so we could you push your scale a little mind that work cuz we be smashing I know just trying to just find you somewhere find a piece of the puzzle together just a very tight but we're going to come back and we'll work out the grading and come back with something you work at the gr see if see if you can have less impact over on this side do what we talked about