Public Safety Committee - Regular Meeting

Good afternoon.

The time is 4.05 p.m. This is a regular meeting of the Public Safety Committee. I'm your chair, Dan Syme. I'm joined by my vice chair, Councilwoman Tammy Hawkins. Today I'm also joined by the following committee members, Andrew Owen, Jonathan Joseph, Scott Reed is virtual, Marcus Winkler is virtual, Betsy Rui, and Jenny Mulvey-Woolridge. We also have Kevin Bratcher and Khalil Batshon with us. Thank you for joining us. We got everybody? What we want to do, this is a special safety meeting, and this is where we get to honor our law enforcement agencies, and we're so proud to have you here. We want to open up this meeting with a word of prayer, and we've asked Bishop Stephen Kelsey if he would lead us in invocation, please.

It is my honor, having served in law enforcement 25 years at LNPD, I appreciate this committee, Paul, and to honor it. Let us pray. Heavenly Father, we pause today with grateful hearts to honor our first responders, our police officers, sheriffs, correction officers. Lord, your word declares in Psalms 46 and one that you are our refuge and strength in the present help in trouble. Lord, protect those who run toward danger when others run away. Lord, give them the courage when they are afraid. wisdom when decisions must be made quickly, strength when they are tired, and compassion when they encounter people who are hurting. We also pray for the families who share in the sacrifices of their service. Lord, guard their minds, strengthen their hearts, and grant them peace after the difficult things they see and experience. May every first responder know that their service matters, their sacrifice are seen, and their commitment is appreciated. Lord, cover them as they serve, protect, as they respond, and bring safety to this community. In your son's name we pray, amen.

If you would, would you remain standing and direct your attention to the flag as we recite the Pledge of Allegiance.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Thank you all. I just wanted to say a few remarks before we get started. When I took office several years ago, the first thing that I wanted to do was recognize our law enforcement agencies. And we went to work and we designated September for Law Enforcement Appreciation Month. Last year we had our first ceremony, this is our second, and to see you all here makes our heart warm. We're so proud to honor you. So many things that we could say, so many thank yous, but know that you're in our hearts and in our prayers, and we're constantly doing anything we can to support you and what you're doing to keep us safe in Louisville. We've asked the mayor's office to bring a few words, and they have sent Misty Wright, the general counsel for Mayor Craig Greenberg.

Misty, would you come up and say a few words, please?

Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for having me. I'm Misty Wright. I'm the mayor's general counsel, and I also lead his community safety efforts. I have worked in public safety for a long time now. Prior to moving back home to Louisville, I was a federal prosecutor in Chicago for nine years. So I've worked with literally hundreds of law enforcement agents from local, state, and federal agencies across the country. Since coming home last year, I have had the good fortune to work closely with our law enforcement agencies here in Louisville. and what I have seen deserves our appreciation and recognition here today. I want to talk about collaboration briefly first. Public safety does not belong to any one agency. Here it takes LMPD, it takes other local police departments, sheriff's office, corrections, it takes our prosecutors, our federal partners, it takes city agencies and community partners to get the work done. And there are so many examples of how this collaboration is going on in our city. I just wanna highlight a couple. first through our city's sustained focus improvement strategy sfi we have police partnering with city agencies in areas of our city that are the hardest hit by violence to meaningfully change the conditions of those areas so you have increased police presence you also have clear boarding and vacant lot cleanup and graffiti abatement and services and outreach going to those areas and that has resulted in over 50 percent decrease and shootings in those areas as of the end of 2025. In addition, we collaborate as needed to address specific public safety concerns as they arise. So for example, along the Bardstown Road corridor this summer when we had public safety issues, The agencies, members of whom are being recognized tonight, came together. We had LMPD, we had LMDC, Sheriff's Office, and other partners to talk about a comprehensive solution that involves law enforcement strategies, lighting, liaising with business owners, and that materially affected conditions on Bardstown Road. This kind of thing is happening constantly, and it's happening intentionally, and that's because people care enough to work together and to do the hard work. And the work of law enforcement is hard. It involves far more than responding to calls and making arrests. The work is building community relationships and trust. It's building cases that will stick. It is dealing with heartbreaking situations and outcomes. It's making difficult decisions under pressure and treating people with professionalism even when those people are not reciprocating that treatment. Of course, our law enforcement agencies are not perfect. No institution is. We have a responsibility to continually support them in their improvement and their development through training, best practices, technology, professional development, and taking care of their health, both mental and physical, and also accountability. Accountability is part of supporting our law enforcement agencies. We have to keep strengthening the professionalism, effectiveness, and the trust that defines these agencies and ensure they have what they need to continue serving us. I would be remiss not to mention that we have seen significant public safety improvements recently. In 2025, we saw shootings and homicides decrease by over 20%, and we're on pace to meet that again this year in 2026. Those numbers matter. But behind every number is a person, a family, a neighborhood, a life that was protected. And I personally learned that at a young age. The first time I remember coming into contact with law enforcement, I was five years old. My father was an abusive alcoholic, and our situation escalated. one day to a potentially lethal level. There was an LPD at the time, officer who lived on our street. I don't know how he ended up at our house, I can't remember that, but what I do remember is sitting next to him on the ground outside and him telling me that everything was gonna be okay. And the thing that gets me about that now is now I have an appreciation for his perspective. For him, that was a normal day. That was something that he does all the time. That was something that was just expected of him to do. But for a five year old little girl, it was everything. And that is what this work is ultimately about. It's about saving lives. It's about serving and protecting people when they're at their most vulnerable. It's about keeping people safe. So to everyone who's being recognized today and to everyone in this room who puts on a uniform and goes to work every day, I want to say thank you. Thank you for answering the difficult and dangerous calls. Thank you for your dedication to your investigations, for keeping us safe and for keeping our jail safe as well. Thank you for all the nights and the weekends and the holidays. Thank you to your families for supporting you in this work. And ultimately, thank you for continuing to make the choice to show up for our city every day because you never know whose life you're going to change for having done so. Thank you.

Thank you, Ms. Wright. Next, we have Steve Bass. He's a board chairman for Louisville Metro Police Foundation. Steve's got a few words he'd like to say. Thank you for coming, Steve.

Thank you. I appreciate it.

Good afternoon.

First of all, I want to thank you all for the support that you show to not only police officers, but the foundation. You know, it truly takes a village, and that's why we're involved. I've been on the board for about 14 years. I've been board chair for two years, and the outcry from our public has been amazing. We raised $2 million to put in a wellness center for the police to try to get the morale up and everybody stepped up. Hopefully you all have been there and I'd like to invite you if you have not been there is my guests come over, have a nice lunch, and give you the full tour, because I think you'll be impressed. It's truly a miraculous place that we've got psychologists there, we've got a total workout, we've got a place, a cafe there, and a basketball, a redone basketball court. So anyway, I really would like, you know, call me anytime, go through the foundation. You can find me probably on Google. Dan Syme, thank you for your kindness and leadership and recognition of the officers in putting forward the resolution recognizing September as Law Enforcement Appreciation Month in Louisville. Thanks to the Metro Council for a partnership for $500,000 in support of the Repeat Offenders Initiative, hopefully trying to keep felons off the street. What you happened to see recently, actually yesterday, of 54, I think, repeat offenders than the guns and the drugs that they found. So hopefully we can get that moving. It's going well. Josh is doing a great job. So thank you for making that investment. Also thanks to the council members who partnered with the foundation this month to provide meals and recognition for our officers. These gestures mean more to our officers than you all realize. And on behalf of the Metro Police Foundation, thank you for standing with our officers that continue to show them that the city sees values and appreciates their service. Quick story, we had our big fundraiser three weeks ago. Somebody came up to me and said, were you a police officer? And I made some announcements. And I said, no. They said, where did you get the passion? And I said, I believe we have to have a better Louisville for us to have a better community. And that's why I'm doing it. And I have no police background, but I said, I would not do what they do, but I will certainly support them for what they do. And what they do, and that's right behind me, is miraculous. And I don't think any of us in our room, in this room, would go out there when they get a phone call, but they're there day in and day out. So thank you all. Appreciate every one of you all.

Thank you, Mr. Bass. We do have the director of the foundation, Rebecca Grignan. She's here, and she is the one that I conferred with when we started the appreciation month. Of course, you know Peter, her husband, and this is his birthday month, actually. So thank you for being here, Rebecca, and thank you for all you're doing for our police officers. Next, we're going to recognize officers of the year and rookies of the year. So what I want to do now is I'm going to read a proclamation for the LMPD officers, and I'm going to ask my Vice Chair Hawkins and Jenny Mulvey-Woolridge if they would help with distributing the proclamations.

Mr.

Chair, when you can, I want to be acknowledged that I'm here in attendance. Thank you.

Thank you. I was going to get to that. But we are joined by Shemeika Parrish-Wright, who is here virtually. Thank you for joining us. This proclamation reads, the language is, whereas these officers have earned the distinction as officer of the year and rookie of the year, and whereas the safety and well-being of these citizens of Louisville are made possible by the tireless dedication, courage, and professionalism of the men and women who serve in law enforcement, And whereas these officers, as esteemed members of the Louisville Metro Police Department, has exemplified these virtues throughout service, displaying exceptional leadership, integrity, and commitment to protecting and serving our community, And whereas through outstanding work ethic, compassion, and dedication to justice, they have earned the admiration and respect of colleagues, community members, and public officials alike. And whereas in recognition of these achievements, these officers have been rightfully selected as Officer of the Year and Rookie of the Year, representing the very best of law enforcement and serving as a role model for others in the field. We hereby confer this honor with all rights and privileges and responsibilities thereunto appertaining. In witness thereof, we have caused these letters to be made and the seal of Louisville Metro Government to be hereto affixed. First Division. Officer of the Year, Nicholas Hughes and Officer Celestino Aviles.

Call the names.

Call the names. Andrew, you want to help call these, and we'll take the pictures with them. We started here for the second business.

Okay. Uh, second division major Russ Miller wanted to recognize the unit of the year. The second division impact unit is dedicated to violent crime and narcotic investigations. The work done by this unit without question made the city of Louisville a safer place to live. We would like to recognize Detective Anthony Garcia, Detective Dakota Clements, Detective Brent Maynard, Detective Michael Chesser, Detective Joshua Forshee, Detective Christian Lewis, Detective Anthony Shepherd, and Detective Bert DeLong. I don't either. There you go. Okay, third division. Officer of the Year, Officer Christopher Grossman. Rookie of the Year, Officer Dakota Fixton.

And we'll just jump in with them. Y'all ready? After this one. Leave it to me. I'll mess it all up.

Oh, man. Go on a wrench. Jeez. Okay, for the 4th Division, Officer of the Year, Eric Burnett. For the 5th Division, Officer of the Year, Juliano Lutz, and the Rookie of the Year, Officer John Cornett. Anybody here from the 5th?

Anybody here from the 5th? Okay.

I can take it.

All right. Good. Got it.

Congratulations, Angie.

Thank you. Thank you very much.

Okay, Sixth Division, Officer of the Year, Officer Alex Thomas. Rookie of the Year, Officer Brett Milliner. For the seventh division, Officer of the Year, Officer Andrew Woodard, and Rookie of the Year, Officer Jaron Crittenden.

Seven.

On you. All in the family. All right, and last but not least, the 8th Division, Officer of the Year, Officer Derek Williams. Okay, we're going to read a proclamation here for the Jefferson County Sheriff's deputies. Whereas these deputies have earned the distinction as Deputy of the Year and Rookie of the Year, and whereas the safety and well-being of the citizens of Louisville are made possible by the tireless dedication, courage, and professionalism of the men and women who serve in law enforcement, and Whereas these officers as esteemed members of the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office have exemplified these virtues throughout service, displaying exceptional leadership, integrity and commitment to protecting and serving our community. And whereas Through outstanding work ethic, compassion, and dedication to justice, they have earned the admiration and respect of colleagues, community members, and public officials alike. And whereas in recognition of these achievements, these deputies have been rightfully selected as Deputy of the Year and Rookie of the Year, representing the very best of law enforcement and serving as a role model for others in the field. We hereby confer this honor with all the rights, privileges, and responsibilities thereunto appertaining. In witness whereof, we have caused these letters to be made and the seal of Louisville Metro Government to be hereto affixed. So, for the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office, the Deputy of the Year is Deputy Gene Fay, and the Rookie of the Year is Deputy Tyler Franklin. And now the proclamation for Metro Corrections officers. Whereas these officers have earned the distinction as Sergeant of the Year, Officer of the Year, and Rookie of the Year, and whereas the safety and well-being of the citizens of Louisville are made possible by the tireless dedication, courage, and professionalism of the men and women who serve in law enforcement and whereas these officers as esteemed members of Metro Corrections have exemplified these virtues throughout service displaying exceptional leadership integrity and commitment to protecting and serving our community and whereas Through outstanding work ethic, compassion, and dedication to justice, they have earned the admiration and respect of colleagues, community members, and public officials alike. And whereas in recognition of these achievements, these officers have been rightfully selected as Sergeant of the Year, Officer of the Year, and Rookie of the Year, representing the very best of law enforcement and serving as a role model for others in the field. We hereby confer this honor with all the rights, privileges, and responsibilities thereunto appertaining. In witness whereof, we have caused these letters to be made and the seal of Louisville Metro Government to be hereto affixed. Metro Corrections, the Sergeant of the Year is Sergeant James Brooks. Officer of the Year is Officer Summer Hendricks. And Rookie of the Year, Officer Isaac Garr.

The best of our best. Thank you, Councilman Owen, for taking this duty on an impromptu scale, but we thank you. I wanted to leave some time for the members to say a few words, and co-chair Tammy Hawkins would like to say a few words to you. So, co-chair.

Yes, he always saves the best for last. He does. I want to say this. When I first came on the Metro Council, my second year in, I pretty much bullied them to be the trigger, right? Just so I could really dive in and kind of get an ideology of officers, public safety, is really near and dear to my heart. And when you've had a past and you've had not a lot of good experiences with officers, you know, it puts a bad stain. But in anything, there's some bad actors. Today, I don't feel that way. And it really all started with my major, Major Miller. I can call Major Miller two, three o'clock in the morning. And I'm learning every day sitting on Metro Council that building relationships is what this position is about. And it's about building relationships with the officers. Just understanding that you just really want to be able to make it home to your family. I want to say thank you to your families for sharing you all with the city. I want to say thank you for putting on that uniform and taking a risk every day. I probably didn't understand a couple of years ago how you all felt. how you all put your lives on the line every day, all the way up until I decided to go visit the simulator. And I wanted to have that experience so I could give my constituents a level of understanding on putting myself on the line. who grew up in those underserved, most vulnerable areas, I wanted to be able to have that experience and put on you all shoes, right? And that day when I put on you all shoes, to be honest, I probably killed everybody that got in my way You know, because the first thing I thought about was, you know, I got to make it home. You know, you just never know when you, from the time that you get that call, leading all the way up until you get there, things change. Different things leading all the way up until when you get there. The state of mind that you could be in. I just wanna say that I support you all. And I wanna say this about Collins. We didn't have the best relationship when I first came in. I can call Collins. I get a lot of calls from the community. And they just sometimes just need a level of understanding. I think a lot of them, since I've been in this space, they have that nailed. And they wouldn't be able to have that if I didn't have the opportunity to build some of those relationships with you all. Even with the Jayhawk and Kyle Collins, 2 or 3 o'clock in the morning, and I've seen his wife at the World Fest, and she's like, oh, where'd she go? The woman that calls you at 2 or 3 o'clock in the morning. But I get those calls. I get those inboxes. And I just want to say thank you for always picking up. Thank you for always picking up. Thank you always for just giving me that level of understanding that I need so I can educate the people that I represent. So I wanna say thank you all. Thank you all for serving, just serving a city that we're all working every day to make us safe. And we could not do that without you all. We all put our pants on one leg at a time. And it's not easy. It's not easy dealing with the public. So I just want to say thank you. You all have my support. And I'm going to call away. Thank you.

Councilman Owen, please.

Thank you, Chair Scheim. Just I wanted to say quickly, four years ago when I was campaigning to represent District 9, one of the things I kept saying on people's doorsteps over and over again was we have to rebuild the faith and trust between the community and law enforcement, and that is a two-way street. And I said it over and over and over again. And at the time, I wasn't even sure exactly what that meant. I just could feel that there was something missing. And that relationship, that trust in one another, that faith in one another, is probably the most critical component of law enforcement and whether it works well in a community. And four years later, I'm rolling off of council at the end of the year. But if I was running for reelection right now, I don't feel like I would have to say we have to rebuild that relationship. That doesn't mean our work is done at all. Every day we earn that faith and that trust on both sides. But I do think we have made a ton of progress. I recognize it in anecdotally in what I hear from the major of the fifth division, what I hear from leadership, and that is that the rank and file of our law enforcement agencies are in a much better place today than they were four years ago. And that really, really makes me happy. And I take some pride in that. I don't mean personal pride. I mean pride in Metro government and in the community and in our law enforcement for both sides working to rebuild that faith and trust because I think it's so important. So again, this is something that we earn on both sides every day. I want to keep reminding all of us of that. But I think we all ought to be proud of the work that we've done to rebuild that relationship, and I hope we can continue to build off of that. Thank you guys very much.

Thank you, Councilman. Councilwoman Jenny Mulvey-Woolridge, please.

Thank you. I know you've heard today a lot of thank yous, and I hope that over this month you hear a lot more thank yous. The work that you all do I know goes unnoticed. I heard it many years as a wife of a retired detective of, you know, You come home and you do the good things and you might get praised quietly for it, but you do a bad thing and publicly you're demonized for it. But please know you're seen. Please know you're appreciated. I agree with what Councilman Owens said, that there's a lot of work that's done between the community and the departments, but there's also, man, over this last year, there's a lot of work that's been done between the departments themselves and working together and collaborating together and building this community into a better community. And I just want to say thank you to each and every one of you all. But also to each individual that received an award today, take the time to appreciate that and appreciate your leadership for recognizing you and recognizing the great work that you're doing because you are doing great work. Please know again that you are supported. On the bad days, know you're supported. Lean on each other, talk to each other. Don't hold those hard feelings in. Collaborate on the good days, praise each other, lift each other's up. let your families in some I know that you don't want to let them in on the bad stuff don't worry you don't have to that's why you have each other but also when you have the good things tell them about it they want to be part of your life they want to share the good days with you but again thank you so much for everything you're doing I can't say it enough and I hope you see I hope you hear it and see it this month every month and throughout your career

Thank you, Councilwoman. Councilwoman Betsy Rui, please.

Okay, first of all, thank you very much for the hard work of everyone in this room. So many times what you do every day goes unrecognized. As Misty Wright brought up there, as a five-year-old, what is the worst day of her life is just something that you all deal with every day. That takes its toll. And I remember when we first came in and so much had gone on with protests and everything else and everybody's nerves were tender and everything. And it was brought up that we needed to have the facility, the wellness facility for our officers. And I supported that all the way because I seen just from being a teacher that what ongoing stress does day after day. So I thank you for bringing your best selves out every day and doing the hard work that so often goes unseen or unappreciated. So many times what people are getting from you is the worst day of their life. So I want to thank you every day for going out there and keeping us safe. Thank you.

Thank you, Councilwoman. Councilman Jonathan Joseph, please.

Thank you. Scripture says the greater love has no one than this to lay down one's life for one's friends. And just so grateful for the sacrifice that you all continue to make each and every day for our community. There is nothing that I feel like has humbled me more. over these past couple years with Metro Council than to get to see a little bit more of what it looks like on the front lines, whether it be in ride-alongs and being part of Tour in the Jail and what have you, just the heart that you all have and the willingness that you do each and every day. It's inspiring, and I'm just so, so grateful for these moments, and whether it was You know, I'm a school teacher too, and when we were able to take our students through the jails and be able to show them that, it can be life-changing and life-altering, but also just the sacrifice that our men and women make every single day. Just thank you all so much. We couldn't do it without you, quite literally. And thank you for loving our city so much to put your lives on the line each and every day.

Thank you, Councilman. Next would be Marcus Winkler, please.

Thank you, Chair Simon. Thank you all for being here. I apologize that I could not join you. I got stuck out of town. But I want to thank you for the work that you do every day. I think, you know, Mr. Bass said it best at the beginning. You do work that I could not possibly do, and I think probably many of my colleagues would not do. want to do either. And the work you do to keep myself, my family, my children, and the members of the public, their children safe every single day is work that does not go unnoticed and that we're truly grateful for. To you, members of the Sheriff's Office, members of LMDC, members of our suburban I mean, we've got law enforcement departments across the county that we really are grateful for, for the service and sacrifice of not just you, but of your families as well. And I just wanted to say thank you.

Thank you, Councilman. Next would be Councilwoman Shemeika Parrish-Wright, please.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. My background is loud, so I won't be too long, but please don't mistake the brevity of my message as I am just as passionate as my colleagues about supporting you all, making sure you have the resources that you need to solve crimes and to respond. But I will tell you, even from this virtual view right here, to see the pride on your faces, to see when the camera captured you in the audience, I know you take pride in your work, and I know that we're celebrating people who have been outstanding from every division, including the sheriffs and including corrections. With my work, I spent more time with corrections than anywhere, then sheriffs and then LNPD. but i appreciate all of you and what you do a public life of service is not for the weak and you're under constant scrutiny and we also know that there's a great deal that that doesn't represent all of you who are using constitutional policing who are treating people fair no matter their station in life in all levels of my work that is the most important that human rights are honored And all of the honorees, I'm thankful that you're doing your work. I actually last night met somebody from the third division, and in my district, I see more people from the second and the fourth. So it's really good to know that each division has superstars who are leading the way. I appreciate all of you, and I just want to thank you and commend you. Thank you.

And last would be Councilman Scott Reed, please. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

And again, as Councilman Winkler said, I apologize for not being there. I have to leave quickly to go to a Suburban City Council meeting. But I want to give a special shout out to Major Tatum of the 8th Division, who is always very, very responsive to Jared, my LA, and me whenever we reach out. She does a fantastic job. The only thing I have against her is that she is a UK fan, and we've had some discussion about that. But we've managed to overcome that difference. I'm just kidding. And also, you know, I have three suburban districts that have police departments that would be Prospect, Indian Hills and Northfield. A special shout out to them as well. And Jesus said, blessed are the peacemakers for they will be called the children of God. And thank you for your very hard work and God bless you.

Thank you, Councilman. I wanted to read a little something that registered to my heart when I first read it. And I'm sure that a lot of our police officers have read this poem. And it's entitled, I'm a police officer, but it could be I'm a corrections officer, I'm a sheriff. But I want to read these, and not as much for you guys out in the audience, the ones that are being recognized, but for those who are listening virtually and are going to pick this up later, I want them to hear these words. It says, I'm a police officer. I get up in the morning just like you. I drink my coffee just like you. I hug my spouse. I hug my kids. And I say I love you just like you. But I never know if I'll come home at the end of the day. I'm a police officer. I get into my squad car. I set my own self-interest aside. I put myself in danger to keep you safe. Your security is my responsibility. I protect. I serve. I give my life to save yours. I'm a police officer. I break up gang fights. I bust drug rings. I stop murders. Somebody has to. I get yelled at and spit on. I get called names and cussed at. I get death threats and complaints. I'm a police officer. I don't do it for the pay. I don't do it for the recognition. I don't do it for the peace of mind. I do it because I believe in the law, in justice, in peace. I love what I do. I deal with the insults. I endure the assaults. I suffer the stress. So you don't have to. I'm a police officer. I'm a human just like you. I have feelings just like you. But where I encounter violence, I bring peace. Where I meet danger, I bring safety. Where I see weakness, I bring strength. I am a police officer. I am proud to wear this badge. I am honored to protect my community. This is my calling. This is my life. I hold strong the blue line. My brothers who have fallen, I honor each day. The sacrifice they made, we'll never forget. This is my duty and the burden I carry. Officers, corrections officers, Sheriff's Department, we love you. We want you to know we've got your back. There's no way we can fathom what you deal with on a daily basis in your families, but we hope you understand that we care for you and we're going to do everything we can to support you and what you're doing to keep our community safe. To our fallen soldiers and our families of the fallen soldiers, we keep you in prayer. If you need anything, let us know. The foundation's for you there. But thank you so much for showing up today. Again, understand that we've got your backs. If you need anything, let us know. Let your majors know. Thank you again. This is not near what you deserve, but we just hope that you appreciate a little bit of what we've tried to do today. And before I go say anything else, I do want to thank my assistant, Lisa Ammon, and Heather, Jenny Mulvey-Rollinger's assistant, And all those that have helped put this together and get the letters out and get the bags to you all, they've done a lot of work to show that they care, and they're not even in the spotlight. But understand, there's a lot of people working behind the scenes to support you all and to let you know we care. So thank you again today, and we'll see you next year. Thank you so much. If there's... Before I go... There's no other further business. So our next Public Safety Committee meeting will be Wednesday, October 7th at 4 p.m. Thank you all for your time today.