Land Development & Transportation Committee - Regular Meeting

Okay, this is the regular meeting of Louisville Metro Land Development and Transportation Committee to hear cases as docketed for the meeting today. The purpose of this committee is to review the technical aspects of a proposed development plan associated with a change in zoning by consensus determined if it is ready for a Planning Commission public hearing and set the public hearing date. is most helpful to this committee if comments and requests are related to specific issues that are technical in nature, such as traffic, topographical features, drainage and stormwater parking, orientation or location of structures or other similar items. Public notice has been provided. Materials have been available for review by the public. The following rules are in place for today's meeting. please silence all cell phones please be courteous and respectful to the committee and your fellow citizens for those participating virtually chat messages are not part of the record and not monitored by all members please refrain from sending messages to the panel if you have any questions or would like to speak in a case you may send messages to the host Today's proceedings are being recorded. Anyone wishing to address the committee must do so from the podium or virtually. If you plan on speaking, please fill out a speaker's form as soon as possible. Those participating virtually will notify the host if they would like to speak. Priority will be given to speaker's cards in the order that they are received. Only those who have completed the speaker's form will be allowed to speak. Procedure shall be as follows. Staff will present a summary of the request. The applicant or representative will make a statement or presentation giving reasons for the request. Other persons in favor of the proposal will be heard. The opposition representative will be heard. Those opposed to the proposal will then be heard. The applicant or the representative will then have an opportunity for rebuttal of the opposition's testimony. No new testimony shall be given during rebuttal. If there are further questions by the opposition after rebuttal, please fill out a form provided. Some cases will require a unanimous vote of this committee, which constitutes final action. However, if the vote is not unanimous or it is otherwise required or recommended, the case will be placed on a regular agenda of the next planning commission for further discussion and action. The committee may ask questions of the applicant representative or opposition at any time. Roll. Roll call, please.

She can still wear absent staff. Here when it is here, yes. Thank you.

Okay. Um, and, uh, 1st item is approval of the minutes from, uh, 723.

Commissioner, I'd like to make a motion that we accept the minutes for 7232026 of the is there a 2nd 2nd. Okay. Um.

All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. Okay. Next new business. Uh, we only have 1 case here. Um, 26 zone 0, 0, 2, 0.

Um, yeah.

Okay.

Thank you all. Good afternoon. Everyone mark Pinto office of planning staff. 444 South 5th street Louisville, Kentucky 40202. this is 26 zone 20 for the Jewish community center plan development district rezoning main addresses being 3600 and 3700 Dutchman's lane. So, this is a change in zoning request from our 5 single family residential and 3 office residential. The property is currently split zone with those 2 zoning districts to the plan development district. And also a change in form district from neighborhood form to campus form. There are also proposed binding elements in the staff report for this meeting. The subject site is roughly 23.8 acres, and that includes all of the existing JCC campus and the remaining vacant portions of the property. It is developed with that existing community center. It involves off-street parking areas, outdoor athletic facilities like a swimming pool, playground, and the existing Jewish community center buildings. This proposal most significantly includes a pattern book, which includes in details permitted land uses design guidelines and future development plan review processes to carry out future development on the site. So here is their plan development district use map, unlike a lot of the use maps that the committee or the Commission may be familiar with seeing this PD use map does not include any. proposed development at this time. So there are no detailed building envelopes or new construction proposed. It simply shows the existing site conditions and where future development may happen. So, these next few slides include some of the main portions of the pattern book, beginning with the land uses. I'm not going to go through everything on this slide, but generally on the left hand side include the office and residential permitted uses. The commercial permitted uses, which include a blanket statement that all uses permitted within the C2 zoning district would be permitted on site with the exceptions of the following and within that table include some of the more. Controversial or perceived controversial commercial land uses that some individuals often have concerns with. They felt that they would not permit those such as, you know, tattoo shops, non chartered financial institutions. automobile sales. So, you know, although C2 uses would be permitted, the PD zoning district here within this pattern book would not permit something like a used car lot. In the middle are some additional uses that are not directly defined in the land development code, but are defined in this pattern book elsewhere, such as a day camp. 1 of the main buildings on the JCC campus at this moment is known as the J camp, which is like a day camp for for people to bring their kids and have activities. I'm sure the applicant will get into more detail about their existing. Operations, but there are also limited uses. These are uses that would be permitted if they met the special standards that are listed under those, those limited uses, for instance, residential, multifamily, the maximum density permitted. Would be 435 to all units per acre. That's actually the maximum permitted dwelling units allowed in the zoning district for studio apartments and then for anything over any proposed development in the future over 145 to all units per acre. would be required to have early notice sent to first and second tier properties and current residents. Commercial uses would also have to meet those special standards listed as well as fabrication, manufacturing and indoor storage under 334. This was one of the largest issues that we faced in reviewing the pattern book throughout the process is defining what industrial uses or what versions of industrial uses would be allowed on site. It's my understanding that the applicant envisioned something like an artist studio having like selling their goods either in person or online and then also having the craft taking place on site and these were the standards that the applicant formed that we felt were compatible with the proposal in the surrounding area such as the It has to be accessory to a permitted primary use. That one's probably the most important, meaning you couldn't just have like a warehouse building manufacturing things. It would have to be, you know, manufacturing or fabrication or processing that is in direct association and accessory to a permitted primary use like an artist studio. Next slide. So these are the design guidelines that the applicants design team also formed. These address things like landscaping, setbacks, both from adjacent properties outside of the campus and internally to the campus, and also include parking standards. And we can revisit these slides as the commissioners or others may have questions. Next slide. And these are just those design guidelines continued. They also have signage regulations that go beyond the land development code lighting standards that are inspired by the land development code, but also allow some additional flexibility given the. existing and proposed uses on site. Some architectural standards, which include, you know, how buildings are to be developed along Dutchman's Lane, you know, no blank facades facing the main road being Dutchman's Lane and that primary entrances could face internally to the Jewish Community Center main access road. And as far as the approval process, like many other plan development districts that we have in Louisville, if the PD is approved, the applicant would then submit like future district development plans for review and approval by staff. And many of those plans would be staff approvable. Where they would not require additional review by or the planning commission if the proposed development plan meets the standards and guidelines of this pattern book and also the land development code where the pattern book may be silent. we've experienced that with others in the past too, then it is approvable by staff. However, there is an appeal section, which also follows the land development code, which says that any staff decision is appealable. So if a concerned citizen, a neighbor, somebody did not like staff's approval of the detailed district development plan they could appeal it and that would go to drc and then that could be appealed to planning commission if the drc decision is appealed there are some standards uh go back just for one moment jay i'm sorry for early notice thresholds so construction of commercial building footprints of 30 000 square feet or more that would trigger an early notice where um you know they wouldn't just simply have to submit the plan to our office they would also have to send notice to the first and second tier adjoining property owners and residents new residential densities of 145 12 dwelling units an acre or over and also construction of a building that exceeds 45 feet in height 75 feet of dutchman's lane or adjacent single family residential use And here's just a zoning map showing the zoning of the overall area. It is mixed. Um, you have commercial zoning, you have multifamily residential zoning, you have single family, you have the existing, um, Jewish community center, which again is split sound are five and three. And of course, you have Bowman field and the DMV and other institutions like that across the street along Dutchman's lane. And here is the same photo just showing an aerial of the existing site conditions. and here is the front of the subject site looking in this is from that main access road that leads into the campus that the pattern book refers to as jcc way this is at the light at cannons and dutchman's and here is going slightly east along dutchman's looking in from the other side of the campus that building it's hard to make out but that's the j camp building And here is some adjacent property. Across the street is the golf course that fronts Dutchman's and Cannon's. And here is some adjacent property. This is Abigail Drive. This is a collection of multiplexes, residential development. And then north along Dutchman's is single family residences and a subdivision. So your required actions today are whether or not the Land Development Transportation Committee find that this request is ready for a full public hearing before the Planning Commission. Unlike recent LD&T meetings that we've had where there are outstanding technical Agency comments, like, with MSD or public works or us this meeting was meant really more to discuss the pattern book in greater detail with the commissioners because we felt that there was a great amount of detail in what is being proposed in this pattern book that it would be best for everyone to have this discussion before we have a full planning commission public hearing. And with that, I will take any questions that the committee may have.

Mark, is there any building height requirement around Bowman field?

Around Bowman field, the form districts are mixed its neighborhood form and I do not know the maximum height of neighborhood off the top.

Well, what I mean, is there a high requirements? that need to be tagged into this?

I believe there is. It sounds like John may have the answer to that, and I'll let him answer that whenever it's their time to speak.

Okay. Well, thank you. I appreciate that.

Mark, there's been a conversation about traffic. I mean, this could produce a

it's developed to its highest best there it could be a lot of traffic coming out of there so transportation and public works did review the proposal and since there's no detailed plan right now there is not a requirement for a traffic study but if a detailed plan did come in the Into play in the future with this pattern book, or with this plan development district, whether it be residential or commercial, um, if that hits the threshold for a traffic study, that's when 1 would be required.

How would that work if it's still incrementally though? Is it required?

So I know that public works and transportation planning have certain thresholds such as the number of dwell units proposed or the commercial use or the type of commercial intensity proposed that would trigger the requirement for a traffic study. So I don't see how that would be any different if it was developed incrementally. Like let's say if a large multifamily residential development came through, And that was one single development plan. If that, you know, was proposed, and if that hit the warrant or hit the threshold for a traffic study, you know, that Stuber's team with public works and transportation planning would require that traffic study. But it wouldn't trigger if, say, like, a Starbucks or, like, a restaurant was proposed, you know, a traffic study wouldn't trigger then.

and to add to what mark said i believe the traffic study component also has a certain amount of discretion where the director can require it based on totality of circumstances so if you had something that's too low and something that's too low and the something third that's too low but really as a whole they could have the discretion to require it then okay thank you laura anybody else yeah i got one more something is

Coming to mind, isn't there already approved residential project on this property? It's come before us in the last two years.

I'm not sure of any recent.

I think the tower came in front for a change on the ground floor. and the tower is not part of this. It's the carve out.

Okay.

But I came in front of us recently because they were repurposing, I think some office space to some residential space on the ground floor.

I apologize. I, it just was something in there. I thought it was something residential, but yeah, now that you said that, yeah.

and that was one additional thing i meant to note in the presentation you know shalom towers shares a lot of interest with the community center i know that residents who live there are also part of the center um you know they share access but shalom towers the residential development on this site is on a different property and they are not part of this planned development district their zoning is not changing a part of this so

What's their zoning now?

I believe our 3.

Shalom towers part and so this whole. Rumbus would be the same assuming.

Well, it if the zoning for the was approved. the zoning around Shalom Towers would become BD and would permit anything in this pattern book. But Shalom Towers would remain the same zoning.

And I think there was a reference in your presentation that the density contemplated in the pattern book matches the density allowed in OR3. So that may be where you're getting that.

Correct.

Thanks.

Thank you all.

Okay, uh, John, you're up.

Thank you chairman loan committee members. Stefan Benitez. My name is John Baker. I'm with. Why are no, I'm not I'm with bricker grade and why. Keep doing that. And 400 West Market Street, Louisville, Kentucky, 40202. Excited to be here today on behalf of the Jewish Community Center. And with me today is Kelly Jones from Sabac Wilson and Lingo, and also Thomas Wissinger, who is the VP of the Jewish Community of Louisville, as well as the executive director of the Traeger family, JCC. And we have embarked on a long adventurous and interactive zoning application i've got to you know salute both mark and nj we would not be here today without their help we've had a lot of back and forth and they've provided some professional guidance to get here so we really appreciate that so without further do let's get into a little bit of technical stuff we have a presentation to show you and I will go through a number of slides and then hand it off to Kelly to get really into the details of the pattern book. And if we can go to the next slide. this is the existing condition mark showed a slide that ship showed most of these facilities there is on the aerial doesn't show up but the bleeding family playground is there on the the that would be the southeast part of the campus folks i know where you guys know where the jcc is they often pass it when you're traveling the watterson so it backs up to the watson expressway but it also fronts Dutchman's Lane, which is a minor arterial, and we now have a full access point that is directly opposite Cannon's Lane, which is also a minor arterial. So we're at the intersection of two minor arterials and we back up to an expressway. We've got the Traeger Family Jewish Community Center. They have maintained the pool that they've had for a number of years that used to be behind the previous community center. Once the Traeger Center was built, they removed the former JCC location, so that ground is now vacant. on the northeast side, bottom left corner on the slide, is the former Anchay Safard site. And that is where the Camp J building is today, and they operate their Camp J from that building. And then behind that is Shalom Towers. We did hear Mark talk a little bit about Shalom Towers, and we had conversations with Shalom Towers about Shalom being a partner in this PD, and they gave it considerable thought. They just, in the end, did not want to change their zoning. So, although invited, they respectfully declined, and they wanted to maintain their existing zoning. Um and we have single family residential established neighborhood to the east and multifamily also with office in the back hospice has its brand new office facility uh there toward also backing up to the Watterson. If we go to the next slide this shows you the breakdown of the current um site zoning and form we've got or3 neighborhood that we're asking to move to the pd in the campus and then on the eastern side of the campus it's r5 in neighborhood and we're asking to go to pd in in campus and when you're looking through the ldc and also the comp plan one campus is a form district that it looks to integrate various buildings on a compact site for typically a single user and in this case the jcc is looking to plan out for the next few decades you know there was a point in time years ago where they thought about maybe looking at other property And then they said, you know what, we're going to build the Traeger Center. We're going to stay here. And so with that, you know, they thought about zoning at that point in time. But in order to get the Traeger Center going, they decided to use a Category 3 application and a conditional use permit. One of the reasons why we're looking at Campus 2 is the neighborhood form district, although allows activity centers and whatnot, it has a footprint cap of 80,000 square feet. And we're really near that 80,000 square foot cap right now. And they do contemplate additions to that existing facility. Once they open their doors with their new facility, the growth went up and it's continuing to grow and they want to facilitate that growth, which is a really good thing. And so planning for the future, that is one of the, um reasons we also looked at campus as something to better facilitate the future planning for jcc's needs and preferences and then you also look at the pd pd allows flexibility in their design guidelines but it also contemplates integration of of different uses in different buildings incorporating old buildings which we have on the site with new buildings and in different uses all based on a very specific set of guidelines that you have to abide by that are in that book if you don't then you have to seek relief or you can't do that or you have to amend that pattern book which is a cumbersome process itself if we can go to the next slide this is just some more uh discussion about why we've looked at pd in campus and we just walk through those reasons another reason for pd2 is that pd gives us a zoning district that can be consistent throughout the part of the property without needing to go get a conditional use permit for specific uses that's really one of the only If not the only zoning district in the land development code that facilitates that. So, from a planning standpoint, looking forward, you can see where 1 main user, the wants to establish different programs on their site. But every single time they want to put a new program down on their site, they don't want to have to go through a rezoning process or conditional use process. You know. There's oftentimes you might see difficulty using a PD when you know there's going to be a variety of different users and ownership on the property or property subject of the PD. But when it's one main user that is looking to plan their own, the PD can work pretty well. um let's go to the to the next site uh the next slide shows you difference in both zoning district and form districts to the left you got your zoning context map and we panned out a little bit more than what was shown in staff's presentation just to give you the even a bigger mix of uses um especially on the if you can see here on the the form district slide to the east i mean we've got a pedestrian connection that goes on the south side of dutchman's that takes us to a regional center and less than a third of a mile around a third of a mile so you've got a regional center you got a south um our suburban workplace form district around bowman field and the remaining is neighborhood we're asking to have campus right there just for the jcc property but also again as i mentioned earlier we're at the intersection of two minor arterial roads whereas cannon's provides really nearby proximity to 64 and then dutchman's takes you to taylorsville road which allows you to get access on the watterson um and then also you got cannons and dutchman's will take you to breckenridge and you're really near bartstown road so really centralized really good access to highways um and you know we think the campus forum will be perfect for this property um supported by great infrastructure for mobility if we can go to the next slide JCC has been a stakeholder here in Louisville for they're moving close to 150 years now. They started 1880 off Walnut Street, which is now Muhammad Ali, and then moved in the early 1900s to the second and Jacob Street, stayed there for a good 40 something years before moving to Dutchman's Lane, where they've been since the 50s. There on the left hand side, you can see A sequence of pictures of the current property and how it's evolved in the 90s in the early 2000s. You could see that a lot of the area. Was ball fields a lot of a lot of softball. Was being held there night games were being held there. Shalom towers was there at that point. And as we move forward into 2025. uh where those tennis courts and one softball field wars that's where they place the the traeger center and as we move forward we'll be looking at other programs to put in these areas that are ripe for development if we can go to the next slide And this is what I kind of hinted on earlier. And they looked at rezoning the property back in 2019, 2020, just that the process was gonna take a little bit longer than they had on their horizon. So they chose to go with a category three development plan and a conditional use permit that allowed them to establish the Traeger Center. But there on the east side of the campus, you could see what other approvals were given, a number of soccer fields and some other athletic facilities and a pavilion. parking and that's what was in jcc's mind at that time and some of those uses will still be established but in different areas and with different design and different athletic programs not as many soccer fields to my sugar in but other athletic type facilities will be built on the campus. If we can go to the next slide. And this was the multimobility is really strong here. I mean, we're in an area that's still served by TARC, which is important. Various levels of roadway classifications, And we've got pedestrian connections on our side of Dutchman's Lane. There's a bike lane that goes to Cannons that comes across our property or is on the north side of Dutchman's, but goes by our property. So really accessible. And we believe that's important for a campus use and in supporting the JCC moving forward. If we can go to the right side of the slide, you can see where those access points are today. The one in the middle, the yellow one, that used to be utilized by the JCC as an entrance, but since the full access is now where the former JCC center used to be, there's now a traffic light there that allows a full access, both entrance and exit. That used to be only an exit point, and that helps circulation and access to the property as well. And then the next slide, we'll start with getting into the pattern book. This is our charrettes. And I'm going to hand the baton off to Kelly, and she's going to walk you through some of the features of the pattern book. And I'll be right up to conclude, and we'll be done.

KELLY JONES- Hi, guys. Kelly Jones, Say Back Wilson. 301 East Main Street, Suite 201, 40202. I had to write my address down because we moved and I keep forgetting when I get up here, like a deer in the headlights. One thing I want to say before I get into this is you were asking about traffic study earlier in the process. A traffic study was done in 2020 when we did the trigger family, JCC, lots of road improvements were done across that frontage, the intersection of cannons and Dutchman's as well as down Dutchman's lane towards the regional center. So a lot of that all of those traffic. changes were done at that time based on what the traffic study said we needed to do. If a traffic study, if it's determined we need to update a traffic study in the future, we can do that, obviously, but the traffic study was done knowing that the JCC was going to stay here and was going to continue to grow. It has been studied and we've implemented everything that we were asked to implement, including turning the middle road, the middle access to the site into a right in right out only when the full construction or the full the main entrance became a full entrance, a full signalized entrance. So.

Okay, back on track.

So public input is really important to the PD process as it's written. So one of the first things we did was hold a neighborhood charrette. And we basically took the attendees through a series of exercises for different ones to get feedback from them on what they thought the future of the JCC should be. The first exercise is shown there on the left. We called that the vision exercise. We asked attendees what they saw for the future of the J in relation to safety, sustainability, and success. And those word clouds illustrate what their responses were. The larger words were said more often, the smaller words were said less often, et cetera. So key words you see here are inclusive, environment, and safe. Then exercise two was park and that's on the right. We asked what they wanted to preserve, add, remove, and keep on the site. And this table on the right illustrates those results. It looked like a lot of add or keep open space and they wanted to keep out residential use. I feel like I need to give you a little bit of an anecdote on why I feel that their response was so negative against residential uses. I know that in 2017, there was an application on the camp J building site for a 4 story, 268 unit, multifamily development. There was significant opposition, and this was before the JCC, the Jewish community or the JCL owned this property. So there was quite a bit of opposition to that. It was ultimately withdrawn, and then the JCC ended up or JCL ended up with control over that property. But a lot of folks in the neighborhood remember that application and I think that has come into play a lot in some of the community feedback that we've had. So I think that that is where at least a part of where that negativity towards residential development has come is from that large development that they were going to put there at the corner or on the it would have been the northeast corner of the property. Next slide please. So this shows the other 2 charrette exhibits. The 1 on the left is called blocking. We kind of did sort of a modern bubble diagram of the uses that they'd like to see on the property where they might like to see those on the property. And again, there was a lot of emphasis on green space. Um. And then exercise four was mobility, and that's on the right. We discussed connectivity through the campus and beyond. Key takeaways were the desire for multi-use path and better pedestrian connectivity. There is a more thorough synopsis of the charrette in a booklet form that's in the case file, but those are the main points that we came away with. And then in December, these graphics were presented back to the neighborhood along with a draft of the PD pattern book. That was more of a traditional style neighborhood meeting, and we could answer questions at the end. Next slide, please. So this is the start of our pattern book. We took the feedback that we had in the neighborhood meeting. We've worked with staff through several rounds of comments and we have come up with this pattern book. This vision statement and the goals here are one of the things that have mostly remained static through that process. And I just wanna read it quickly into the record. The vision statement says the Jewish Community Center campus shall remain a safe, sustainable and inclusive gathering space that creates a true sense of belonging for all. It will continue to inspire meaningful lives, strengthen community and transform the Jewish future with a commitment to lifelong learning ritual and quality experiences. The Jewish community of Louisville or JCL will honor its. history and values, embrace innovation, and respect tradition while shaping the future, ensuring that Jewish life flourishes for generations to come. And then with that vision statement, we also have these six goals to promote health and wellness, nurture youth and families, engage and serve seniors, inspire creativity, deepen understanding of Jewish culture, and respond to an evolution need, be it cultural, financial, technological, environmental, et cetera. All of these things are already happening on the Jewish Community Center campus today. And the goal is that this PD will help them continue that mission into the future in a way that is flexible and can respond to the changing world as it happens. Next slide, please. I'm not gonna go and spend a whole lot of time on these just because I know that Mark did a pretty good job of talking about what we had done here. But again, we've got a table on the left is our land use table. We have permitted uses as a P, limited uses as an L and N is for not permitted uses. So essentially everything that's allowed in OR3 or C2 is permitted in this site with the exception of what is listed in this table. So you'll see a lot of automobile uses, car washes, boat sales, tattoo, body art, piercing parlors, packaged liquor stores, charitable gaming facilities, outdoor sales and storage, those kinds of things. Well, outdoor sales and storage is limited, but those are things that we felt would be less compatible with the surrounding residential uses, so they were specifically excluded from the property. And then on the right is again our land use map. Next slide, please. As Mark stated, this is different than a typical land use map. But what you'll see on here is that In blue are places where we have considered potential building additions to the existing Traeger Family JCC. Again, we can't do that right now without this change in form district because we're up against the neighborhood form district maximum building footprint cap. So this change in form district will help us be able to do some of those building additions. Then what you see in pink there are some pieces of the puzzle that are a little bit more developed. We're still working through design on those pieces, but the one you're likely to see next is the pavilion just to the left of the existing playground. We are a little further in design. That pavilion was a part of the original approved CUP when we came through in 2020. And it's just on the other side of the playground than it was shown in 2020. So that's likely the next thing that people will see constructed is that is that pavilion. And then around that area, the playground and the pavilion, they're going to have just some outdoor green space and park facilities. And then at some point in the. Near to mid future, we're probably looking at some covered sports courts there in the back. Like I said, those are all things that are being batted around currently in conversation. But nothing other than the pavilion is really real quite yet, if you understand what I'm saying. We have a long way to go on those other things. The pavilion hopefully will be coming soon. And then the other color here is orange, and that's just space that hasn't really specifically been delineated at this time. There are no plans for those areas, but those are areas where future development or future updating like for the pool area, the Camp J building, future renovation could be anticipated. What this also does show is your adjacencies. So you've got the interstate to the back, you've got existing residential to the left and right, an office in the back, and then, of course, Dutchman's Lane, and then the Shalom Towers in the donut hole, so to speak. Next slide, please. Again, this was designed guidelines. We have some elevations there that show you the, the idea of what those setbacks should look like against residential, against the Watterson, against Dutchman's Lane. This table deals with landscape buffers and setbacks. Um, 1 thing to note is that there is a specific regulation in the land development code that your exterior landscape buffers for the development for the campus form district have to be no less than what is required by the land development code. Unless you seek a special unless you come back for a waiver of such. So we're showing per the LDC for all external landscape buffers up there so that if there is a commercial use that locates in the back of the campus they would be required to have an appropriate landscape buffer according to the land development code. Next slide please. And again I'm not going to harp on this too much these are just the additional standards that we covered Based on feedback from staff based on feedback from the neighbors when we've met with them regarding landscape, buffering, parking, signage, lighting, architectural. I do want to point out the sustainability standards though, because that is something that is not typically addressed in or in the land development code. That section is specifically generated from feedback. We heard at the neighborhood charrette and in the neighborhood meeting in an effort to. make sure that we were addressing some of the concerns that the neighbors had going forward on campus. Next slide, please. I'm almost done, I promise. This is the approval process. Again, Mark went through this pretty well. Development plans will be staff approvable. Waiver, things that need waivers still have to get a waiver. Things that need variances still have to get a variance, just like any development plan would. And then again, appeals go to DRC, appeals of staff go to DRC, appeals of DRC go to the Planning Commission. Public notice is required for all DRC and planning commission actions as would be typical. And then again, early notice is required for those thresholds 30,000 square foot commercial building. New residential density of 145 dwelling units per acre or more as an anecdote, 145 dwelling units per acre is the lowest permitted density in. The lowest permitted density in the range for which is on site today. So that's not more than they would be permitted to have today on site and then construction of a building that exceeds 45 feet in height within 75 feet of Dutchman's lane or adjacent single family residential use. And that is just because we want to make sure that. that the adjoining neighbors know if there's gonna be something that's taller than that. And that keeps it a little bit more in line with what would be required today. And then subdivision of land is permitted without a revision to the land development or to the development plan or land use map. That is just something that usually gets put in PDs. So, or at least the PDs I've been involved in. And with that, I'm going to hand it back to John. I think he's got 2 slides left and then we're done.

Thank you Kelly, and because you said building height there, I don't want to forget. Commissioner steps question does have jurisdiction over building height around moment field. So, you know, obviously. doubt they're really contemplating any building that would match Shalom Towers that's there today, but FAA would have to weigh in on that to see whether or not it messes with any of their flight patterns. This is just a slide that shows you where we are in the process today. As we talked about earlier, we've had a fairly intense application process thus far. We started in June of 2025 and have had a multitude of conferences and also meetings with staff. charrette process neighborhood meetings revisions so we are where we are right now based on a lot of work and stitching and a lot of feedback we've gotten from the community as well as planning our next move would obviously be in from the planning commission and whether or not we receive a unanimous vote at the planning commission depends or it will inform whether or not we go to the metro council and fulfill that process at the metro council or if we stop at the planning commission. And at the next slide, we conclude our presentation to the LD&T committee. And I know that's a lot of information, but this is not your standard rezoning. The district that is the plan development district has a lot of material and that material goes into the pattern book. And it's the pattern book that will be recommended for approval at the planning commission level. So if there's any questions about the pattern book, the substance they're in, happy to answer any questions. And Kelly and Tom are here too to answer those questions. Thank you for your time this afternoon.

I got a question for you.

You already had a neighborhood meeting? Yes, sir. That's what Kelly talked about, that charrette process, which is a requirement of the PD. It's not your standard neighborhood meeting where the charrette is kind of an interactive exercise where folks get to look at site plans, the property, talk about what they want, what they don't want. improvements on walkability whatnot and then we take all of that stuff distill it and then we come back for a more traditional neighborhood meeting um and you know there is some concerns raised at the second neighborhood meeting that are typical of PD developments because it's You don't see a lot of PDs in Louisville. And so it's not your standard rezoning where you're asking for one letter and one number and you've got that development plan that you can say that box right there is where we're putting in that box. You have any questions? It's a list of guidelines and standards. They're going to apply to any of those development plans that come subsequently to this process that could presented to planning. Planning pulls out the PD book and they've lined up the development plan next to that PD book and then they go through and do their assessment. So I think some of the questions were about that process. And then, you know, there was also a little consternation about us not having a definitive development plan. Well, as part of this PD process, you know, we're all hemmed in by these standards that are in the PD process. And, you know, instead of coming back for a six to nine month process, every single time we want to develop something. the PD for the JCC was the right move to move forward in planning out their campus. So there's a little bit of level of certainty for the JCC to be able to develop out their campus. And Kelly, if you wanted to add anything.

I was just gonna say what I tried to say when people were asking us questions about, well, where's the development plan? What are you gonna do next? we're not really here to show you what we're going to build right now what we're doing is creating the regulations that will then allow us to bring you a development plan we have to get through this first before we have a development plan to bring you to say this is what we're going to do next so this is getting the the stage set in other words okay one last question is there existing uh cross parking and access easements with sloan towers

Um, is there a song? Yes, I know.

Yes, there's also. I don't know. We'll get you a speaker's form for Tom. Name and address.

Tom Wissinger, Vice President, Jewish Community of Louisville, Executive Director, Traeger Family JCCC, 3600 Dutchman's Lane, 40205. I don't know what the formal agreement is, but we have a great relationship with Shalom Towers. And so they use our lot. We use their lot. They access off Henrietta Lane for the most part, but they drive through our lot. We have a lot of their residents that are members of the JCCC that walk through our campus and all that stuff. So I don't know what the formality is, but informally we have share.

parking areas i do know i remember from when we did the original traeger family jcc plan there is an access easement along what we call henrietta which is basically the center line of the property there is an access easement there that gives shalom towers access through the j site and vice versa yeah there is definitely cross access that's happening there reciprocal lawyer tells me i'm wrong anybody else yeah that was that was the question i was going to ask to

Does Shalom use y'all's parking lot? And if so, I would hopefully hope that y'all continue to have that relationship. That's a good thing to have.

Absolutely. And just so you know, in the back of the booklet on the last page, we have, because we did ask Shalom, as was mentioned, we did ask them to take part in this PD. They declined, which is absolutely their right. But we did on the back here say how important our relationship is with Shalom Tower and that in the future, we hope that they decide to join the PD and this document is supportive of that. So, That is made clear that our relationship with them is important in this booklet.

Sounds good. Thank you. Anybody else?

I just had one question before we close. I didn't know, and I thought I better get it out first, is are you all going to be requesting additional time at full planning commissioning? Because I'm watching how it went over.

yeah i think that's wise and i apologize for that and i apologize for all this time and again we should have asked for more time on this one just because with this exercise you fortunate three are going to be looked at to ask what happened at the ld t and we wanted to make sure we gave you all the material of What this is, because you don't see PDs very often. So with that, and Laura, that's a great question, and thanks for the heads up on that.

It would help staff figuring out what meeting to put it on. That's why I wanted to get that out there.

We certainly will be asking for more time, at least 20 minutes, if not 25.

Yeah. And yeah, this is complicated. We want to make sure we give you guys enough information, but we also don't want to give you too much. So we don't want to bore you.

I don't think I have any questions. I just hate to see some residential income and retail stores and stuff. I'll go in there. It's my only thing, and I know we're not even close to that yet, but I sure would hate to see some residential and retail stores go in there.

Understood great objection to moving aside.

No, I think it's a, it's a good plan. You're trying to set something up for the future. Being a person that was involved with the PDD before, you're setting guidelines for the future, trying to get some control on it so it didn't get out of hand. I have no problem sending it on.

No, I agree.

Do we have a date?

Oh, I'm sorry.

We didn't have any other speaker cards.

It looks like there's room on October 1st. Mark's not available for that. Or the 15th. So maybe October 15th, everybody available for that?

I want to be with Mark.

All right, thank you. Yeah, I'd rather him be here than me have to try to present it.

Make the motion we adjourn.

Ready for that?

Do we have a date? What was it? October 15th. Yeah, I think we're gonna do October 15.

Okay.

Okay. 2nd, 2nd, good time this afternoon. Yeah, thank you guys. Thank you all.

And then if I don't take it all, then we're going to. I love talking. Oh, yeah, we need to get it.