Land Development & Transportation Committee - Regular Meeting

hours of CIT crisis intervention team training. So every officer is CIT trained. And that's unique compared to other agencies throughout our country. Not every agency trains every officer, but LMPD does, and we have for nearly 20 years. And our annual in-service training includes de-escalation training. It includes scenario-based instruction. It includes other instruction that is designed specifically to help officers recognize behavioral health crises to slow situations down, and to connect individuals with their appropriate resources, including seven counties and the new crisis center that they are opening in the next few weeks. Last year, through Metro Safe's partnership with seven counties, more than 4,000 calls were diverted to crisis triage workers over the phone to get people the help that they need. And another 937 incidents were handled by the mobile crisis response team. These are calls that came in to Metro safe that would have normally been handled by Ellen PD officers prior to that partnership with Metro safe in seven counties. So that's nearly 5000 calls that were diverted from police last year involving behavioral health crises.

So 23 years ago, USA Cares started, and all these years later, we stand here for the same reason, and that's to help the men and women who have served and the families who serve alongside them. Last year, we assisted more than 2,000 families, keeping them together, keeping them in their home, making sure they had food, making sure they had transportation and utilities, but more importantly, making sure they had hope. So the work is heavy, as you can imagine. We also need to be ready to support those who are answering the phone. That's what today is about, creating a space that is bright, that is usable, that is customized to what they do so that they can do their job every single day to support the men and women who support our country.

Crises usually only get worse without having someone to help. And that's what the folks at USA Cares do. People who are ready to listen, ready to support, ready to help, ready to connect the family to the services that they need to move on with their life in a positive direction.

Hi, I'm Althea Jackson, the Director of Louisville Metro's Boards and Commissions. Today, we're going to learn about one of our many Boards and Commissions.

Louisville Downtown Management District is our board to help take care of downtown. It is created by state statute, enabled by ordinance, and we have 25 board members representing stakeholders in the bid, which is the area where we have clean, safe, and welcoming hospitality presence. Assessments from those stakeholders pay for beautification and artwork you will see on the street. We try to, corner by corner, help make our downtown look and feel good so that your experience is one that you enjoy and want to repeat every time you're in downtown.

The Construction Review Division is responsible for forwarding your application and plans to the necessary city agencies. This means you do not have to deliver your documents separately to agencies such as Public Health, MSD, Air Pollution Control, Louisville Fire, or Transportation. We will coordinate with these departments to ensure the plans are reviewed by all required parties. It is important to note that if your project is in another fire district or home rule city, you may need to submit plans directly to that fire department or a city. Construction review will guide you through this process so your plans reach the right agencies for the approval.

My name is Curtis Jones, Jr., and I am a maintenance plumber. Just responding to service calls from the customers in the buildings. Leaks, clogs, maintenance. Here, we'll pull a garbage can in front here and step on in. You don't have to worry about lack of work around here for sure. Older buildings, you know, lots of traffic, so we get a lot of calls. 80% of the work I do, I can handle with a good pair of channel locks and a multi-tip screwdriver. This would house... heating and cooling for the building. Our primary job is we're a response team. We run out for leaks, broken stuff. You're geared towards service side, unstopping sewers, building drains, swapping out toilets, faucets, things like that, responding to leaks, clogs, and all that good stuff. If that's what you're geared for, this is the job for you. steady work everybody gets along real good we have a real good crew they're real competitive on pay now biggest draw for people when when they see the benefits and you know the the amount of pto you get you're not going to find this anywhere out on the street in the private sector i try to be real thorough with my work i'm not a fan of callbacks so you know we try to limit that the customers can give us feedback as to how we're doing and usually it's it's generally really good responses from people they're usually pretty satisfied with the work we do

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Hi, I'm Althea Jackson, the Director of Louisville Metro's Boards and Commissions. Today, we're going to learn about one of our many Boards and Commissions.

Hi, my name is Morgan Ward and I'm chair of the Metro Louisville Landmarks Commission. I'm here with Savannah Darr. Tell us what you do.

I'm the Historic Preservation Officer for Louisville Metro and I am staff to the Landmarks Commission. It was established in 1973 and of course retweaked in 2003 with merger. It's a 13-member commission with various specialties that focus on historic preservation and preservation of our city's history. Our meetings are open to the public and we certainly encourage everyone to come and join us and learn more about preservation and history.

And there are 13 members of the Landmarks Commission. By ordinance, we have an attorney. That's me. We have an architect. We have a landscape architect. We have a real estate broker. We have business people and other experts from the community, an archaeologist, for example. And we come together and do the best job we can to identify and preserve and protect historic buildings and districts in Metro Louisville.

We're standing on what seem to be two vacant lots. But what I see is a land of possibility. These two vacant lots that we're standing on today have been sitting empty for decades. One of them has been in the land bank since 1999. The other since 1992. And that's way too long for a property to sit vacant. And today, I'm excited to share with you all that these two empty lots will soon become a brand new fourplex.

I have a history of this area. We used to come through here and on our way to Ongongquan Poo. So growing up as a child, I saw how bustling this area was before the riots. And I just think the...

Can you guys hear us? We're one short of a quorum currently. Colleagues, Councilman Hudson is not able to make it today, so we're just waiting for our fifth person. Hello. Good afternoon. I'm Ken Herndon, District 4 Metro Councilman. We are beginning this meeting at 4.04 p.m. This meeting is being held pursuant to KRS 61.826 and Council Rule 5A. I'm filling in for Committee Chair Jeff Hudson. With us today are colleagues Jennifer Chappell, Stuart Benson, Josie Raymond, and Kevin Bratcher. We have... One item, let's see, we have multiple items, appointments that are being held. So these are the two items. Let's go ahead and move to number two, which is legislation. We can go ahead and address that and then we can move to our special discussion. So I'll call item two. I can. It is a resolution authorizing the Office of the Jefferson County Attorney to ring a condemnation action against the owner of certain property, parcel number 18, in Jefferson County in connection with the Crumbs Lane Sidewalk Project, sponsored by Councilwoman Shemeika Parrish-Wright. Is there any? Yes, sir. Oh, I'm sorry. It's my first time to chair a committee. I need a motion. Motion? Second? Second.

Okay.

Good afternoon, my name is Mike Pinnock. I am the right-of-way manager for the Louisville Department of Transportation, and we have a sidewalk project on Crumbs Lane in order to tie in Dixie Highway close to Cane Run to Chevoy Drive, I believe is the street where we're actually gonna stop the project. We are putting in between five and six feet in certain areas. We're bringing the sidewalk that's currently there more up to ADA compliance. and also to benefit Jefferson County Public Schools, Butler High School, and I believe it's Scheffner Elementary. And so we've ran into a brick wall on this particular parcel that we're coming before you with where the owners have just not negotiated with us in good faith. We've made every attempt to try to settle their concerns. They've stopped communicating with us. We've kind of been stalemated a little bit. I even got the county attorney's office to kind of draft a letter on our behalf to see if they can get a response, and she has not. So unfortunately, it kind of brings me before you all in order to request permission for this project to move forward. We are going to need this particular acquisition on the property for the project to continue.

So we're past any deadline that they may have to respond and according to the county attorney. Is there such a deadline? I don't know.

Well, if they reach out to us before, like right now, I'm coming before you, but if they were to give me a call next week, we can easily bypass and not have to go all that route, but this will allow us to initiate it if they choose to continue to be silent and stalemate us out. Okay. Any further discussion, colleagues? I missed your name. What was your name? I'm sorry. Mike Penick with the Louisville Department of Transportation.

None? Hearing none, we'll proceed with a vote. Hearing none, we'll proceed with a vote. All in favor?

No.

I'm sorry.

No, you can do it.

It's just a motion, right?

Yes. I mean, it's just a resolution, sorry.

Resolution, okay. So, sorry, I'm still learning. That's okay, that's all right. All in favor? She did. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? It's done. Okay, thank you, sir. Thank you. All right, item two, or actually item one, now item, is the special discussion and update on downtown development district. This is something I mentioned to Councilman Hudson a while back, as I represent the central business district, but before that, with the downtown partnership, I was heavily involved with the CBD for many years. and we have special needs and projects and other such things, and I wanted to come in here and begin a discussion that will likely not end today, but that we can talk about various needs within that heavily used square mile, and we have two guests with us. If you would introduce yourselves, please.

Bill Bell, Director of the DOT.

Mike King, Assistant Director of LUDOT.

Sorry, I meant to say LUDOT, sorry. feel free to use hashtag Loodot.

Okay, and by the way, also as our guest, our colleague, Councilman Owen, who is moving into his new role in Louisville, which will involve bigger projects development. And over the years that I've been involved with downtown, we very often see a disconnect between the big ticket items and the day-to-day details that are very important. and so I wanted to invite him here today so we can begin, I hope, a new chapter as we move forward together, understanding they both fit together well and that the details do matter, even on the biggest projects, and I invited him to be with us today as well.

Well let me start by saying that we meet with the Louisville Downtown Partnership monthly and so we talk about various issues in CBD and we try to check those off the list. Some of those are probably on your list as well. So we'll address a few of those today. Because we look at the investment for the CBD as far as infrastructure goes, we have $1.6 million in FY27 paving and $3.75 million in congressional funding, including the match. Daily, we have CBD sweeping, carts, litter baskets. By swims, they're dealt with daily. And so you can see why it matters. We're talking about safety, number one, and then cleanliness. Of course, we all want to see a clean downtown. We want safe mobility for all users, especially vulnerable road users. As far as local roadways, Metro owned 641,000 in the next fiscal year, this fiscal year. We have $2 million, so thanks to the mayor and Metro Council for approving $2 million for one-way to two-way conversions. We're already developing plans for that. There's a lot of low-hanging fruit as far as the one-way to two-way conversions, plus some important roadways, which we'll talk about a little bit later. But we have some major developments on the horizon that we want to help those developments with the two-way conversions. You can see the streets and corridors there listed. And so we look at We let the data drive us when it comes to paving and sidewalk repairs. PCI is the index. And so it says the weighted average is 73, which is a little high. So we want to hit all those. The higher they're rated, that's the ones we want to hit first. OK.

I'm going to go through some of the projects that have been completed recently, some projects that are in the pipeline as well as a couple of the programs that we have that are applicable to downtown. So some of the completed current projects, I'm just going to kind of run through these and happy to answer questions if there's more specifics needed afterwards. East Market Streetscape, which was on the east side of downtown, predominantly through the Newloo area, was a complete overhaul of East Market Street. River Road Multimodal, which went from 3rd Street to 7th Street under I-64, repurposing the northernmost lane of that to expand the Louisville Loop, and lighting enhancements amongst a few other things there. West Kentucky Street Corridor, which is some work that was done around Simmons College, And then the Main and Story Avenue intersection, that was a project that Louisville Metro did that allowed for the two-way conversions of the eastern phase of Main Street, the eventual two-way conversions of Story and Melwood. So that was a real linchpin project that unlocked a lot of other projects for us that we were very excited to complete. Projects that are underway, Reimagine Ninth Street's kind of the big one that's going on right now. So that'll be a complete rebuild of Ninth Street from Market. You'll see a little bit going up to Main, but it's really focused more Market to Broadway. The project itself will pull the lanes to the eastern side and then in turn create sort of a public realm on the western side that'll have sort of like a park-like feel to it, some multimodal components, a lot of traffic calming. phenomenal street that's more of a gateway to West Louisville and downtown than the division that it serves today. In addition, part of that project includes two-waying Muhammad Ali and Chestnut Street from 6th Street all the way out to their termini at Shawnee Park. A lot of the sort of under the scenes work is underway on that. The project will include milling and repaving those roads as well. We were fortunate to be able to work that into it. We should start to see a lot of that construction coming up here in a little bit. As Director Bell mentioned, we're also looking at some two-way conversions, so I'll get into the specifics out here a little bit more in a moment, and then the other one is the sort of deferred maintenance, which is definitely an ongoing conversation we're having with the councilmen, as well as LDP and some other folks, to make sure that through the programs we have, we're addressing a lot of the ongoing challenges that we have, so not just the new projects, but looking at how we can take care of what we currently have.

Yeah, and then let me touch on that. There's some silver poles. installed on Main Street, which I know that Rebecca really loves. Now, we are talking about painting those black to match the mast arms, and then also removing the porous pave around the trees so they can actually breathe and grow a little bit. And so we've done about, I wanna say that we've removed about 20 of those, and so we've, maybe a third into that, and we did that when KYTC, our maintenance contract, ran out early June. So we pivoted those crews downtown so they could work on that project.

And for those who don't know, Porous Pay was and is a product made up of ground-up old tires and some kind of resin material. that is meant to be hardscape that still allows for drainage. The problem is it has to be power washed once a year or it clogs up and it has a reverse effect on the trees and it hasn't been properly maintained for years and so we've lost some trees and so we decided to forget that and go back and just take that out and go back to regular soil.

Yes, and we did consult with Cindy Sullivan and Trees Louisville and she agreed. that it'd be good to remove those. Let's see, go to the next slide.

So as I mentioned, one-way to two-way conversions is a pretty popular conversation a lot of times. Specifically with downtown, it's an opportunity for us to look at our existing infrastructure, say, hey, as downtown evolves into its next sort of iteration, it's important for us to also look at how our streets serve that. For the longest time, streets downtown were set up one way, including a lot of the streets in West Louisville and the neighborhoods just to the south of downtown, with the impetus of getting people into and out of downtown as quickly as possible. As we start to rethink downtown as more of an attraction for experiences and entertainment and things like that, while still supporting the business needs of downtown, we realize that our streets could be a lot more and a lot safer. So instead of trying to get people in and out in the morning and the afternoons, let's look at how we can make them better connected throughout. So as I mentioned before, Muhammad Ali and Chestnut, that one is ongoing. The milling and paving should start this September. As part of that, we're also looking at converting a lot of traffic signals to four-way stop signs. It's a proven safety countermeasure that we're able to use. And as we look at that, we don't just haphazardly do it. We put those on usually a 60-day trial period to test it out to see if it's gonna achieve the results that we think it will. Every one of the ones we've done so far has met those warrants. So then through that project, what we can do is go in and say, hey, this makes more sense to be a four-way stop. And the metrics we look at with that is If this was a new road today, it probably wouldn't meet the warrants to need a traffic signal. A four-way stop sign would be the right traffic control at this. So it gives us a chance to sort of retroactively have those impacts. A couple other one way to two ways that you've probably noticed, 7th and 8th Street around Muhammad Ali and Liberty have recently been converted. A lot of credit to our transportation engineering department and our planning departments for being able to pull that off. Those are tied to larger federal projects that will do two-way conversions all the way on 7th and 8th Street, but it was necessary to sort of jumpstart those few blocks over there to support TARC's on-street transfer center. That effectively came on. just yesterday, I believe, and so far, so good from what we're seeing on that.

It's also correct on two-way conversions that, according to the Jeff Speck recommendations, that all of the CBD and all of Nulu should go Pretty much two ways. Is that correct?

Almost all of it. They did a great job of that plan. So the councilman's referring to a study we did about a year and a half ago. We hired Stantec and Spec Dempsey to create what we call the walkability plan for downtown Enulu. And a big part of that was looking at how we could sort of retrofit our streets. Most all of the streets can be done. They suggest a phased approach from sort of easiest to most difficult. The only ones that are really, really challenging to do are probably First and Brook because they are so tied to the on and off ramps for the interstates. It becomes really challenging. You've got to modify on ramps. Excuse me. Which takes a long time for us to be able to do that so in reality those streets it probably makes sense to at least for the Near future keep those as is and then the other side of it is we as Metro don't have control over all the roadways So there is the main streets in the market streets and things like that, which will continue to try to coordinate with KYTC They've already done some of those in a few places with the two-way conversions and will continue to collaborate with them to move those forward and

And, you know, this is coming if they can do that instead of sorry, 1, 1 way to way 1, 1, 2 way, which just happened again on mainstream. That would be nice. It's causes great confusion to do that this way. And then this way, especially with tourists. I've seen them just. what do I do now, that look on their face. So it can be confusing if it's not done. I think best practice is to do two-way conversion on parallel streets, two streets at a time, ideally, and for the entire length, if possible. I know that's about money and timing.

Yeah, and there's a lot of factors that go into that, but you're absolutely right. You don't get the benefits of a one-way to two-way street if you do a segment here, then a one-way segment, then a two-way segment over here. You don't really get those connectivity benefits until it happens all the way through. So we are working with KYTC to try to move those forward as much as we can.

And I could point out, too, that we're concentrating on the Central Business District today. That's for the public. That's Hancock to 9th, York to the River, the classic Central Business District. But because this one square mile approximately is pounded every day with far more use, uh we can uh help learn we can learn things faster here as far as what what that does and then share that with our outlying neighborhoods and districts so we can learn quickly what public use can do and then learn those lessons and share them.

Yeah, absolutely. And it's tied to our network. The one-way streets that are in the CBD, they extend outside of the CBD and vice versa. The ones that are outside of the CBD come into that. So looking at the system as a whole but with that sort of focus on the CBD to start with is why we went that route.

Yeah, we have, I think, approximately 100,000 people a day that come in and out of this square mile, plus events, plus everything else. So we certainly, and it's not tearing things up on purpose. It's just heavy use, and we just learn those lessons and hopefully can apply those elsewhere.

Wholeheartedly agree. The next slide kind of is the metrics of what we measure most of our projects through, and that's through safety. So all the projects that I've mentioned to this point, the East Market Streetscape, River Road Multimodal, West Kentucky, the two-way conversions, all of those go back to safety components to make sure that, to your point, there are so many people that are using downtown on a daily basis. but also we need to make sure that's a safe environment. So it's not only just, it feels like a safe place to be, but it's also a safe place to traverse through. We've got sort of a pipeline of traffic calming projects. I give a lot of credit again to our transportation planning and transportation engineering teams. They're developing specifications for what each of the installations could look like, speed humps to speed tables, delineator posts, getting uniformity not only to what those look like, but also where we can apply those. So we have a very data-driven approach to that, and then we can push those on the areas where we see the most need for traffic calming.

Yeah, on the CBD maintenance, we appreciate help from LDP and the Councilman as far as getting us inventory of all those, and so we'll hit those as soon as we can.

You know, Mr. Lawyer, you could make it today, but I know that they want to help cooperate with us, and perhaps like on the curbs, I could use their staff to help us identify what, I say curb chunks that are missing. There's seven out here on 6th Street outside this building, for example. And of course, if we don't fix those, they look unsightly, but they also, if they're not fixed, then they eat away at the sidewalk plates, which is a far more expensive fix down the road. So we're trying to get ahead of that and fix those early and properly.

And last one on here, I know it probably sounds like a broken record on Reimagine 9th Street, but we're really excited about this project, because it's going to be great. So I mentioned that the milling and repaving for the two-way conversions should happen in September. We should also be letting the actual reconstruction of 9th Street this fall. So that'll go out to bid over the winter. We'll start to do some of the preliminary work, some of the surveying, all the necessary components with that. And then we anticipate really kind of seeing the crux of construction starting next year, probably just post-Derby time is when I would think that would start. Probably about a year and a half project, year and a half to two years, all said and told. We do anticipate being able to keep at least one lane in each direction open throughout construction.

so night shoot would never see a full closure during the construction phase i think one thing i want to add about the the you mentioned state roads earlier that we're where we have state roads everywhere in jerusalem county but downtown those are just laced with roads so if the public sees a road that should be fixed but isn't quite being done yet it has to go through another level of approval and that's just the way it is that nobody's delaying it on purpose it's just because it's a state road we have to go through other other another process yeah that's correct yep

All right, I'll just touch on a couple of SWIMS items here. You have night sweeping in the CBD, Sunday through Thursday, 11 p.m. to 7 a.m. CBD collection, that time, and those times are not right on there. Those are old times, new times. Sunday through Thursday, 11 p.m. to 7 a.m. Saturday and Sunday, 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. We'll correct that slide. Um, and then, you know, this is all, it goes back to the cleanliness of the CBD, make sure it's welcoming to visitors to our city. So that's, we want to make sure that. Oh, and the curbside, we have standardized containers, so most of them are 95 gallons, 65 gallon for food businesses.

And I see snow in this one slide here, and the sidewalks in front of private property, business or otherwise, are the responsibility, removal are the responsibility of the private property owner, correct? The sidewalks. Correct. Sometimes, yeah.

Oh, the sweeper. The new loop sweeper? Okay. Well, it's not new. It's, yeah. So we have a mini sweeper that we've been using not only just in new loop, but also on a lot of the protected bike lanes. And right now on our webpage, I don't know if it's, is it final? Not to my knowledge. OK. We had a naming contest. So we collected names from the public. I think we have over 200 or 300 names, potential names. I'm not going to release any.

Are they named actor? Never mind. You're not ready.

There was one. I'll give you one. Meryl Sweep. That was one. That's nice. So there's several like that.

cool okay please that is it okay questions well so i i when i refer to i said councilman owen here in his new role that that sometimes i know and this again is my experience of two decades with a downtown partnership and overseeing the ambassadors who have to take care of whatever is installed design and installed that many times uh there are issues that could have been corrected in advance For example, it comes to mind, it's a habit of sometimes finding a tree within five feet of a light pole. It still happens, which means that in three years' time, the tree grows in, and I don't know what those light poles cost, but it's rendered fairly useless when the tree is leafed out. Using pavers in sidewalk decoration, I'm a designer by profession. There's a desire to do that, but over time, that's a problem. Uh, as I said, every, every crack between every brick is a weed waiting to grow. And the bricks are never consistent and over time they begin to move and they pop out and tripping hazards and. Just this design changes early in the process could save us a lot of trouble and cost. Down the road, and I would just advise us to try to get to that before. we have it installed and have to take care of it so that's why i was talking we can begin the process of the big projects keeping in mind the detailed care down the road that we can have nice things but still that we can take care of yeah we have mandated uh historic mix in the cbd now yes and as we patch that's of course as you know that's one of my pet pieces as we as they fix the curb chunks i said please please don't use blinding white suburban concrete we just don't need white dots all over downtown, please.

We agree.

Yes.

Yeah, and I would just add to that, too. That's part of the hopes behind the establishment of a Department of Transportation. So with LUDOT, what we've done is on the other side of, yes, we have projects that we do, but they're also developer-driven projects that happen. So we have a development review team that's more directly tied to Department of Transportation so we can look at those investments that developers are making as part of their process, and to your point, making sure that they're sort of meeting the standards of something that we're going to be able to maintain going forward. So the goal of the Department of Transportation, and so far so good I think, is a lot better collaboration with all components of transportation because it was happening in so many different places before.

And since we have some time, we can touch on trees a little bit perhaps, because we have as many as we can get, especially in the heat island down here, and I know that the i think the best practice is a minimum of four by eight or the equivalent of 30 33 square feet uh and of course that's cheaper because it's less concrete the bigger the tree was less concrete you pour so what we've had for older tree wells we come back and say we wish those were bigger and then we look for money to cut out the concrete that should never have been poured in the first place so that we could have minimal standards and make sure that they're Make sure they're poor. Then we see that a little bit of money here and there and then also is better for the tree. So those are the kinds of things that. And planting the proper kinds of trees. In the CBD in particular that we'd like to do native species. In most cases, but concrete and asphalt are not native. To Kentucky, and therefore there are certain trees that just simply won't survive in these conditions and so. Years ago, I worked with Mark White to come up with a shorter list of trees that worked down here. I need to try to find that somewhere because they're not all native, but they do well in these naturally harsh conditions.

We've had some productive conversations with urban forestry on trees on sidewalks or in the tree wells. Another thing we have to worry about is salt because we've lost a few trees on East Market due to the salinity percentage in the soil. So we're gonna have to replace those probably early November. just because that's the time to replant or plant new trees.

Yeah, once the root balls go dormant. Actually, in November through the winter into early spring, there's a window there they can more easily.

Yeah, I think the contract date starts November 1st as far as planting. Yeah. So we want to get them in there as soon as we can.

And salt is another consideration, the most salt-tolerant. Yeah, you have to find a tree that's tolerable. And ongoing care. Again, it's sexy to plant them, not so much to care for them over the years. In fact, I'll give them a kudos on that. Uh, in public here last this 1st, got in office last year. I. Use our money to pay for probably living up all the street trees on Broadway from cave Hill to 32nd street. You had to walk, I keep getting my microphones work, had to walk down the sidewalk, the trees like this. and we got them up here last year the waterfront park crews at my request agreed to bond on their nickel uh to do all the trees on main street from my 65 to i-64 they every year they rent a chipper and while they had it they said they would do those trees this year they're going to do market again this fall And as we speak, there are crews out there trimming the trees on the north-south streets between Maine and Margaret so we can kind of march southward between Maine and Broadway and come together and take care of all the mature trees properly. It's better for them, better for aesthetics, and also better for sight lines and security. The cleaner sight lines helps with people feeling safer. Anybody have anything? Okay.

I think that's kind of it, but we appreciate you guys coming.

We'll keep you posted, especially as we learn more in our intense environment, and love you guys being here, and we'll work with the downtown partnership as well and set the standard in downtown for the community. Thank you so much.

Absolutely. Thank you. Is there any other business before us?

Hearing none, we are adjourned.

Also, let families come once a week and get what we call bread, produce, and sweets. Because for some of our families, just having that additional produce is enough to help them stretch the budget. It's starting to definitely get some holes, and our Dare to Carry delivery isn't actually until the second Wednesday of the month.

We're really depending on donations coming in.