Historic Preservation Advisory Board - Regular Meeting

Alright. I'd like to call the November 5 meeting of the historic preservation advisory board to order.

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33. I like that. Alright. First order of business is our call to order and introductions. Contrary to what it says on here, if there are members of the public, this would be a good time to introduce, but we'll wait to take your actual comment a little later on in agenda. So my name is Carrie Gregory. I'm co chair of this board. Weiss, a member for several years now.

David Reger. I'm not on the board.

Any council liaison? Liz Martino. I'm a little less than about the same.

Yeah. Yeah. Wendy Laird, CDT staff.

I'm with the Art and Public Places Board, and I'm just here to about the homestead sign.

Okay. Great. Thank you for coming today. Alright. Approval of today's agenda. Do we have a motion to approve today's agenda? I move to approve. Do we have a second? I do. Excellent. It's gonna be really easy. Yeah. We'll take turns. All in favor to approve? All opposed? Nobody. Do we have any discussion?

Of the agenda? Yes. No.

Looks good to me. I had a couple points clarification that we can decide after when you can help me decide if they're actually amendments or not. The first one was under the call to order introductions. It talks about having comments there, but then we have the public comment. I think Patrick noticed the double last time, so that's why I clarified at the beginning. It should be just Introductions. Yes. Also wanted to clarify under our historic preservation business, the Homestead Science update. That's really Homestead Science at. It's not Homestead Science in the county. So just wanted to make that clarification. And, yeah, I think that was it for me. Would any of those be amendments, Cindy, or just

discussion? I will pass on that information, and we will do an updated agenda Okay. Probably tomorrow. Okay.

So can I have a a motion to approve the updated agenda?

I move.

And I second. Okay. All in favor?

Okay. The agenda is approved. Let's look at the minutes. So these are the minutes of the October 20 meeting that we had last. Do we have a motion to approve?

I think Loretta was here. Were you, Loretta? Think I moved to approve one. No. I I was here. It's here. Okay. It's here. I

they seem a little they don't seem very descriptive.

Yeah. No.

I so that just I've noticed that has changed because we've Yes.

Had more descriptive ones.

So Yes. Bunk three. Yeah. I mean,

we've so I we've discussed this in the past. It's nice to have a little bit more, especially if you weren't here. I was here. But even I think that's a little brief. But

So I I So that would be our discussion,

and we can discuss that.

Call. Motion to approve, and then we can discuss.

Mhmm. We approve. Second? Oh, you approve them.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I And

then the discussion is that you'd like more

Oh, okay.

I second I second I second that we approve it. Okay. Oh, yeah. Okay. And This discussion only doesn't tell you anything that we Right. So we missed the meeting. Patrick. Yeah. Yeah.

Not gonna No. I I think we need a little bit more than that. I don't remember when it changed. But

Okay. The last three.

Okay. If I may. Yeah.

The meeting is Okay. So anybody who would like to go back and review it and listen to all of the my web details, but I will pass on to our planning manager that we would like more details than the minute.

Thank you, Wendy. I appreciate that.

Discuss that real quick. I mean, it is true. We could go watch it. So is it too duplicative to to write it down?

I think you need a little more in the minutes than discussion, no vote. That's true.

Because then then you're relying completely on the video.

That's what your minutes are, though. The only thing you have to have is if there's a vote, you have to write that down. And then you you don't have to write any of the discussion down.

So the discussion was luxury in our previous minutes.

They now. Have you can catch the sentences and stuff, or ask just somebody on staff working extra.

Okay. Okay. Eager person. Okay.

In general, you just say discuss the issue, go vote, or discuss the issue, approved document three to two.

I would have not known.

Me neither. I appreciate the

The the notes that we had seen prior on this on this board.

Okay. Yeah.

But We can we can I mean, I'm willing to let it go? But we should also ask Patrick. Yes. We should we can also put it on an agenda for a further discussion.

Yeah. We can bring it to Patrick.

That's important. See, and I, like, in the discussion I mean, no. Sorry. In the minutes, we would have said that David pointed out very smartly that you don't need him.

Anyways I'm making need and and like two different things.

There's no legal re you're

legal request. You're

right. There's no requirement. Yeah.

We can't have a little bit more.

Which way I guess we'll have to

wait and see what Patrick thinks. I'm gonna, like, walk away in.

What do you think? Alright. No vote. No decision. So, the meeting minutes of October 20 are approved.

Public comments of items not on the agenda. Your item is on the agenda, so we'll wait and take it then. I have to put that connection together. All right. No members of the public online? All right. Let's jump in. Historic preservation business. As noted before, I'm gonna give a historic homestead science update for Romero Cabin, and that is me. I'll sheet out.

So I want to provide a little context. That's why I'm gonna read what I wrote. So these are the two signs at Romero Cabin in Downtown Los Alamos that were removed during the urban trail project update. So just for context, the Los Alamos National Laboratory moved Ramiro Cabin in 1985 from Technical Area 55 because it was in the way of expansions. We have donated the building to Los Alamos Historical Society in coordination with the New Mexico State Historic Preservation Officer.

There was a memorandum of agreement to negotiate that move, and subsequently, two signs were coproduced by Lantel and the county and installed in front of Romero Cabin. One side interpreted homesteading on the Pajarito Plateau, and the other sign interpreted the cabin itself. So fast forward, again, during the urban trail project, the county took down the signs and wanted to replace them. You okay there? No.

You're fine. So in July, Leslie Buckland, who is the county's assistant public information officer, reached out to Lantel and asked about the signs and inquired about the compliance drivers or the agreement requirements for the signs. She wanted to make sure that she was meeting whatever agreements had been made. So a review of the record showed that the memorandum of agreement requires the preservation and maintenance of the cabin while the correspondents expressed the need for interpretation and public access. So the number, design, and ownership of the signs was never specified.

So the laboratory's position was that as long as Romero Cabin is preserved, maintained, interpreted, and open for public access, that the intent and stipulations of the memorandum of agreement are being met. And additionally, Landell did not have any strong feelings about the number or design of signs as long as the content reflected the homesteading story and the Romero Cabin had been moved from its original location. And then lastly, Landell no longer wanted a stake in the signs and will support the county in whatever they wanna do. So I was able to relay all that information to Leslie Buckland and Ellen Felton, who's the marketing specialist with Community Development, on October 28. So the next step is the county plans to remake one homesteading Romero cabin sign, and we'll consult with the lab on the content to make sure we've got the move details correct.

Come on in, Georgia.

Hi. Hi, Georgia.

And then Lana will make available any of the images that were used on the sign that the county wants to reuse, any Lana owned images. So that is the homesteading sign update. Any questions? We'll go to Anna.

A timeline that all's gonna that all sounds really good.

They were waiting my understanding was they were waiting for the urban trail project to get done before they reinstalled the signs, and now that project is done. So they're going straight into content design right now. So it's it's It's happening. It's happening. There was some discussion early on with the project that they were gonna try to do the signs while urban prod the urban trail was getting updated. So they'd have signs to install, but they really thought that it had to involve the lab and that didn't happen. So now that the lab has, what's the word, rescinded its stake, the county's gonna move forward soonest.

Now this is a question that's gonna lead into, I think, what Anna's gonna start bringing up. But do you happen to know, if the Romero Cabin sign and the cabin itself was part of something larger called the homestead tour where there were some other signs in other places in the county. Okay. And it will be. And so I don't know too much about that. But, I mean, in it's as the Romero in context with that.

Can you say a little bit about that? All I understand is that the Romero Cabin is part of homesteading interpretation in the county and will be one of numerous signs. I think they're still looking I think the original idea was to put or redo the signs that are in North Mesa and some of the old locations of where homesteads were, but then they realized that people were driving up and looking at signs to look at nothing. And so they're trying to reconfigure the interpretive plan for the signs and where's the best place to put them. And how this

is the county. This is

the county. Leslie Buckland is the lead person on that. Okay. So I think it would be a good idea for us to have an update from Leslie at some point. Yes. Yeah. An update. Yeah. And, actually, she did offer. I had not had a chance to talk to Patrick about it, but she did offer to come for her and Ellen to come, like, maybe January, February and give an update on the interpretation of historical assets in the county. That is something that has kind of fallen in her wheelhouse department and up organically.

Is that larger than the home system? Yeah. So the update from Leslie would include everything Yes. Including the home system. Yes.

Yes. Because they are separate. Right? So there's it would be nice to have

an update

on both of them. Yeah. Maybe not at the same time. Yeah. If you wanted to focus on one Right. That's fine. But Yeah. And on We know those homestead signs are in Yes. And the plan is to remove them. They know. Yes. Yeah. And they have new branding. They want all the signs in the county to look the same. They're interpreting historical assets.

So they're and that was why they wanted what they really wanted from the laboratory was, can you design your sign in the same style as ours? Yeah. So as soon as we said, you you have that, I guess, to clarify, I work at the laboratory for the cultural resources department. So I was tagged to be the person to talk to the county about the signs. But then at that meeting with Leslie, I also mentioned that I was aware of the art in public places initiative to recognize the homesteaders, and she was very interested, Leslie that is, and meeting with that group as well to maybe help not the guide isn't the right word, but to collaborate so that whatever signs or art you do go with the new public facing branding.

So Oh, that's that's great.

Yeah. That's that's that's wonderful to hear. Okay. So just just to give, like, a little bit of background, I think it was maybe around, like, a year ago. David Hampton came to one of our meetings and talked about the workshop he had been to and the interpretive dance performance that Yvonne Montoya has been on that talks about the legacy of the homesteaders, the removal, and, you know, sort of culture on the Pajarito Plateau prior to the lab.

And he had an idea that we could put together a piece of art that would kind of commemorate and draw attention to that legacy. And so we put together a working group, and our first idea was probably, like, a little bit, like, hard charging and maybe thinking a bit too big. And we were thinking about we targeted an area on Barranca Mesa. Barranca does not have any public art on it. There is an interpretive sign.

There's one of the older signs, and it's on residents of the neighborhood called the The Dirt Lot, but I think it's formally called Los Pueblos Bike Park. And so we we put out a we we brainstormed some ideas. We put together a survey. We distributed that to the residents that are around that park to see if there was support very regionally in in that neighborhood or something like that. And it also involved, like, ideas about improving the park broadly because we were looking at it, and it's sort of an undeveloped area.

The feedback we got back from that neighborhood was very much a thumbs down. They kind of liked having the Wilder space there, or what they wanted to focus on was was not public art in that space. And so we kinda went back to the drawing board, and we knew that Yvonne Montoya because we really wanted to have input from somebody who has actual connections to the Pau Rito Plateau prior to the lab being here. We don't want to just, do you this without any kind of connection to that community. So we knew that Yvonne was coming back to do a workshop and a performance in early October.

I went to the workshop and was able to ask her just directly, from your perspective, what do you think we should focus on as a community to continue to celebrate and honor the homesteaders? And she brought up the signage. She brought up that designs are in in very bad shape and that that would really be the starting place. On the art in public places board, in the in my experience on that board, it is significantly easier to get smaller works of art out in the public, and that the public really likes sort of representative art and, you know, more traditional artworks like, you know, an opium grove style, cast bronze, things like that. And so in the last email exchange that I've had, Loretta's on it Mhmm.

We we sort of talked about reaching out to you guys about that signage update and then maybe collaborating on a path forward where in the location of each of those signs, perhaps we could put a smaller work of art that that references the homesteaders and that celebrates them. And we could address that, you know, on a sort of site by site, sign by sign basis because we very much want any art we put out in the county, especially art that is referencing the history of the Right. The Pajarito Plateau, you know, to go with you know, for it to be sort of a cohesive visual image or a cohesive visual sort of Right. Display. Yeah.

And so so that's kind of where we're at now. Okay. And so I'm really excited that Leslie Yes. Wants to that the county is is moving forward with this. And so it seems like there's good opportunity

Yeah. I think I think there's some momentum, and I I think I would recommend that your board or your subcommittee invite her to come speak Yeah. Absolutely. On the homesteading focus. And then at some point, we can have her come and talk about historical assets in general. But I think, having her then you can ask her questions.

Yeah. That would be great. Yeah. Could I get because I know that I think you're both on an email chain. Yes. We all are. Could you drop her email in that? And I can reach out to her, and we can kinda get the ball rolling on that. Yeah. And so

Yeah. She had not heard of initiative yet. I told her I didn't know about it because David Hampton came and spoke to us, I think, within the same couple months. So I was aware of it from that from a year ago.

David's a busy guy.

Yeah. Yeah.

So okay. So sending. I'm gonna give you my notebook. You can write your email address in here.

If Leslie gives an update to the, do you think we just have her come to the whole APP? Or

I think

the home

mean, I think it would be good for her to talk to just the whole board, do it that that way. And then the working group can kind of coordinate with her as the county moves forward with

the county. That would also give all of us an opportunity to go to that meeting. That's a That's what was telling you. Listen. Rather than try to attend a subcommittee meeting, which may be a little more challenging.

Those are difficult to see.

Yeah. No. That's I would really like an update before everything is finished. I don't want an update on here's what I did. I want an update as in this is what we're I mean, this is what we're thinking. What are your thoughts on that? Mhmm. Yeah. Because Unless, like, you know, the locations, We do have a cabin institute. Is that one one of the places where there's a sign? Do you know if there's a sign there? I'm trying to

deal with my wife.

Yeah. She mentioned those cabins in our meeting too, so I know they're on her radar. Would like her to, you know, talk to us before the project is completed. Because I feel like a lot of times we hear about it when it's done. Oh. And then there's not room for us to say, oh, did you think about this or that or or involve this asset. The project is nowhere near done, so I think our timing is good to get updates from her. And there I just think it's more appropriate for their board specific to the homesteading tour. I would say there are multiple homestead families, and I would not rely on the information from one. Yeah.

I would talk to several. There are people you can talk. There are families. She actually told me she is a homestead family. Yeah. Hardly. So I

would I would love because one of the issues that we kind of ran into because it was really important for us to get some input and have some direction so that we're not just kind of, you know, like, in a silo on it. I would love if you have contact information for

The other fans people.

That would be great because we've sort of struggled with, like, how to identify, and do they want to talk to us? And Yvonne is obviously very, like, out there and very you know, she's a very public person in that respect. And so if you have any means of contacting or you could pass that along, we would be very happy to to talk with them and and hear their perspectives as well.

I can give you a couple names, but my suggestion is to talk to the history archives. Okay. They have been recently, I would say within the last five years, I believe done some interviews. So they would have Oh, that would have information. Yeah. I know that Melissa, who owns the Cabin Wuhan Cabin, has that family, the Wuhan family

Yeah. Comes and sees her,

and she has done interviews. Okay. Don't have the information, but I know Melissa. Okay. So there are I think there we can find them. Okay. Yeah.

That would be yeah. That'll be great. I can reach out to the historical archives and look for that. Dean's ass.

Yeah. I'll reach out to Melissa and try and get their contact. Lujan's the we'll see what she says.

You know, Patricia Amio? Amio? She's a great granddaughter of Okay. Romero.

Oh, that'd be great.

It might be fun to really have a kind of a get together or a reunion if you if you have you know, your ancestors Yeah. Have an opportunity for them to come together. Because I know when I was teaching, one of the my students was from a homestead family, and I actually recorded her talking about her family a little bit.

That's great. Yeah.

But those they are here. See had a They are here. Of the Montoya family when they finished the archaeological dig of their cabin. And I think it would be there are groups that have some names. It would be fun to bring them together. It's it would take some facilitation. Right? But maybe collect some lists of their ideas or their thoughts and kind of

Yeah.

Some common themes. And then then you would have somewhere to go Yeah. That's more collaborative instead of one person.

Yeah. That would be great. I think that that's a that's a wonderful idea.

Maybe working with the history museum is the way to go and say, can you help facilitate this?

Yeah. It might

take some time. I mean, it's not gonna happen.

Oh. But it would be worth it, in

my opinion, to show the community that we are listening.

Yes. Yeah. Hear something?

Don't don't mind me.

He's like, I'm not here. Anna, did you have any other comment?

Oh, no. That's that's it. That's a wonderful idea, and we will move forward with that. If you wanna Yeah.

I will share with you Leslie's information.

Awesome. Yeah. And we'll keep you guys informed. I know Loretta's on the email chain. I think maybe it would be a good idea as this moves forward for one of us to periodically come to your meeting and have just sort of attend yours too. Absolutely. Yeah. Please do.

Yeah. And David Hampton, of course, is on the Arts Council. And this could that could be another way you collaborate is with the Arts Council, as in stories, right, collecting stories. They're the ones who brought Yvonne Montoya here. So that would be if the history museum says no, I would go to the arts council. But in the best possible world, you'd get both of Everybody can collaborate. Right? So but that takes some effort. You know? Collaboration takes energy and science. Yeah.

Might make a comment. Yes. You may, Georgia. When we dedicated the homestead signs and all the, families were invited because they it had recently happened that they had the legislation that they got paid. So and they had a great time. In fact, they said this is like for us a big family reunion because, you know, all the and they they showed up, and it was it was really neat. In fact, it was so neat that they said, can we do this every year? So to do that again of course, there's almost a generation since then. Yeah. Yeah.

And, you know, these are close families, and they're still around, and and they're still learning about their ancestry here. So, you know, if anything that we do in the community, like, for the homestead signs, would would be really, really good bridge builder. Yes. With the with the Espanola Valley, with the Poway Park. Yeah.

So they're

settled up on to El Rancho. Yeah.

Awesome. No. No. No. For the record, that was George's turn, Faddon. We're glad that you came. Did you have any other public comment on the homesetting signs, or did you just come to listen?

No. No. No. No. You're fine.

So me to put you on the spot?

I need to listen. And Okay. Of course, I didn't bring any notes till I get in this situation. I'm just interested in the historic preservation.

Okay. Wonderful. Just didn't wanna skip over everything. Okay. Any other discussion on the homestead science? So this is a good discussion. I think we have a couple paths forward. I will send Anna Leslie's contact information, and I will get Les I will talk with Patrick to get Leslie on one of our agendas in the next couple of months after the work planning process to give us a presentation. So I'm going to introduce myself. Alright. Anna, thank you so much for coming. It was all a pleasure meeting you.

It was nice to meet you

as well. And all the meeting. Yeah. You too.

I will leave that there.

Okay. Thank you. Bye. Do you want an agenda?

Okay. That's very close.

Thanks, Katie. Something to write on. Alright. Next on our list is the New Mexico State Cultural Resource Manager Grants Discussion and Update. Danielle did send out that information. I'll be honest. I have not had a chance to review it yet. Did anybody review and want to discuss? I just you just reminded me. Sent it out. I'm sorry. That's okay. I I was unable to make the time to review it, but I will. Same here. Same here.

I will certainly be fine to do that. Same here.

I didn't see it, so I will it.

Okay. I mean, I guess I saw it. Give me a

I did see the work plan.

Yeah. I saw the work plan.

But Well, it was separate from the work?

Yes. She No. It was quite a while ago. Was right after the last meeting. Alright. I will Yeah. I'm remembering it now, unfortunately.

It's not a rush because it's rent. Yay. You sent it on October 9.

Yeah.

I, again, I apologize for not being able to make the time to review it, but it's not forgotten. Okay. So any other discussion on that, or are we just gonna commit to take a look at it? Okay. I still think it's a viable option, and I don't want to dismiss it. I just need to read it.

Cherry, if I may? Yes, please. Suggest that we move that to the next meeting, to the next agenda.

It should be January. The next agenda is the work plan Okay. Almost solely. So if you could put a note on that for the January agenda, that would be lovely. Yes, ma'am. Thank you. Appreciate that. Any other discussion on that topic? Okay. I guess we'll go to commission director communications. I assume there's no department report without Danielle here.

I do not have a report to present.

My apologies. No worries. She did poke her head in and say that she will have a public works update, which is three a in our agenda next month before our work planning session. And she quickly mentioned that the Little Theater will be done next week. So I'm hoping in December, we get a better update.

I also wanted to I was hoping that we could get a update on the RFP. Yes. I have to say I went to go look for the proposal, and you have to have a bidders' contractor's account to get it. So I can't actually did any of you download the proposal while it was available? So I haven't seen the proposal. I will I will send Danielle an email and ask her. Again, it's it is available, but it's through the county's new procurement portal, and you have to be a bidder to look at it. And I'm bidder. Not a bidder. So Alright.

And there may be another way. I just don't know, but I will because I would like to add it, especially as we learn who want it. Or And another update, would be for the board

board member.

They can

do that in the chair's report. Request. Is there any other information that we wanted from the department report? Really? The RFP. Why do you know what's going on? Yeah. Well, I think when I saw department report, public's work update, I didn't wanna lose the other department report. Sure. But I I think we're okay. Alright. Moving on to the chair's report. Patrick did send me a note briefly. He was apologize for not being able to be here today. They did have two applicants.

One applicant, they did not choose, and the other withdrew. So they're gonna have to readvertise is my understanding. So he and Danielle are working on that. So I have no other details than that. That's where we stand.

Interviews are ongoing.

Actually, they're gonna have to re advertise.

Yeah.

They only had two. They interviewed one and chose not.

Well, they

have to run the ad again? Yes. It's closed? Okay.

Yeah. I I I

thought the

ad was still running.

Oh, maybe it is. He was under the impression that it had to be re advertised. So I I don't actually know the details of that. I didn't go either. I didn't go online and look. So I'll be honest.

Hopefully, that will happen soon. Yes. Yeah.

The fact that he reached out to me on that point says that that's top of mind for him. So I I don't I don't I'm not concerned about any delays, but we'll keep it close at hand. Yes, Liz. I'm just wondering what we as a board can do to help get the word out. Yeah. Because when they say they're going to re advertise it, I mean, they have their I don't know. The ways they do that. Right? I'm not sure. So I know they do social media.

But how can we as a board help get that word out? Because I don't don't think a lot of times information reaches the correct people. It's no fault of the county. I'm not faulting the county. I'm just saying that it's hard.

Yeah. I will

pose that question to Patrick since he's working directly with Danielle. I mean, if there's something we can do to help Yeah. If there's if they could make a flyer, I'm happy to post it around. I'm happy to deliver it to people.

Well, they make an ad. The ad that they had in the paper was good. I just remember seeing it once. You know, it had the qualifications, but, you know, it just Once. They need to rub it. And then and then that same ad could become a flyer, and you could sit at well, you know

Well, I would I could take it. I can take it to whatever.

Wherever there's bulletin boards, I

can Right. There were no history people are going to be. So It's tough. Right. Well, serious. Like What? That's where I was solicited. Me and I think having a you're right. I'm not asking them to do extra work, but if they Right. They could take whatever they're putting in the paper and share it with you.

Give us a PDF. Yeah. Yeah. I think that

I can print some and take them out. And that's a

good idea. Take it to when I go

to the senior center for lunch or when I I can share. Yeah. That's a good idea. Community bulletin boards and any of our commercial spaces too.

I'll take a handful. Yeah. Okay.

Worst case scenario, I will print them all. Alright.

Council

councilman Rieger, did you have anything to share with us today?

Oh, I

don't have too much because we have not talked about any HPAB issues in council, I think. Okay. All of the other things that have been dominating, like GRT and such. And then Parks and Recboard at pretty the Breweryna update, that's consumed a lot of time at council.

Any changes since the last time you told us about that?

The Breweryna?

Yeah. You can't that's what you barely spoke with.

It's all up in the air.

Okay. Fair.

So there's a large group of citizens that don't like the county plan. And Okay. It's a large

You mean the for the cover?

No. The re the re the re

I'm thinking

of the ice

hockey rink.

Yeah. That's that's down low. That's already happening. Okay.

Let me know if you

That could be called HPAB business, but it's it's been around a long time.

I know. That's true. So, you know,

the cover on the ice rink is is not what I'm talking about. Brew Arena, they wanna put new stands there.

Oh, yes. You did tell us that.

And they wanna we have to make it handicapped, accessible, but then the horses don't like concrete. And so there's there's a dispute about where to where to put things.

Thank you.

Next is subcommittee reports. We don't really have any official subcommittees. Loretta, is there anything you wanted to report on for Nope. Arts and public claims?

Oh, the subcommittee. You mean our group doesn't have a subcommittee? Correct. Yeah. Yeah. I'm the liaison to APP, and I didn't I wasn't there. I was camping.

That's fine. Good for you. Yes. And that went in before the snow flies.

Every last It's

a warm day. Like,

Okay. I think that gets us down to our next meeting and future agenda items. So the next meeting is on December 3. Liz, are you still unable to attend that meeting? Be here. Okay. Thank you for

But you'll send in your markup.

I will try. I'm super busy between now and

Oh, okay.

Yeah.

Please. Just your you don't have such good ideas.

So Uh-huh. If you have anything

to jot in

those. Bring it up. Or If you have ideas, please send them along. I will let you know that Patrick and I are gonna spend some dedicated time working on it together. So we we want to Should I send my ideas to you, though, since you're gonna meet? You can send to everybody.

Well, no. I can't.

Oh, no. You can't. I'm sorry. Say that out loud. Yeah. No. Maybe I'll send them. If you are going to You are going

to talk.

Please send them to me. I will send them. I'll be happy to show them. I hate for you to go through everything, and then all of a sudden, Liz has these weird ideas on the side. Yeah. So Patrick and I spoke, and we really we're gonna meet in person and Okay. Just try to get some new ideas or or Makes a lot of sense. Not new ideas. What were we talking about? Like, something that feels actionable and feels like we're doing something, really participating, engaging. So I don't know how to get term for that. That it it's a I know. It's probably in my notes from from last time. Before I remember.

But yeah.

Something actionable. So I know for December, our focus is the strategic plan, which is our our work planning document. It sounds like we are gonna get a public works update at that time too. So I I don't want to forget about other things on the agenda. So are there any other items that the board would like to see on the agenda for future agenda, say, or February? If I go back through my notes, we want a RFP review update. Last we heard, the county was reviewing the solicitations that they had received and making some short lists. Mhmm. Definitely that. And Lane.

Yes. So but we don't wanna have her have to brief the APC and us. Maybe

maybe she could brief

us on the larger Agreed.

Scale things, and we could go and get the deep dive on the

I'm thinking the same thing. We're on the same page.

So we could ask her for January or February. Yeah. And and I'm thinking Anna will probably do the same, but they're

Yeah. Two different focus. And I do feel like the home setting signs is more of a has more urgency because it's active. And as Liz said, we wanna get input before the implementation plan is completed. So even if it were later but I will we'll talk with Patrick and get that on the

So maybe, Leslie, for us, February or March, assuming that

hang on a

yes. So for so January. Yeah. And Leslie was very would be pleased to talk to anybody about what she's doing. I think she I think she reached out to Lanell not only because she thought there was a legal requirement, but she wanted to collaborate. So I

I feel like can always do it this way too. Correct. Correct. This might be a good time to tell you that I will not I don't

know if it's good time or not.

It is. I will be here in January or February. We're gonna go to Baja

then. Well, good for you.

I'm getting into the No.

That's fine. But, no, I think it's I guess.

This is why it's really

important just to get more people on Right.

Yeah. Because, I mean, we like, going away for two months at a time, but I know it puts you guys in a mind. And but I can call in if you need quorum. You know? No. No. No. But, I mean, I can. Okay. Yeah. I but I won't be here physically. Yeah. And if you really need

It's just good to have this on the list so that as That's the way we know. As we get closer. So I would I thought she was gonna say that she was not gonna want to renew. That's why But that's Okay. I'm like, okay. Here we go.

Well, you didn't say one way or the other. I thought

you did. No. You didn't. I'm assuming, but that was what I thought your announcement

was. No. No.

I have

two things for future agendas. Please. Not not whenever they can be. Okay. Last time, Danielle mentioned that there was an archaeologist on staff. Oh, yeah. I have that. I would like to know a little bit more about that and maybe have that person come and explain what their, yeah, role is or what they do. So that would be one of those. I she didn't even I don't think didn't know. She's not She knew where what department they worked in, but it was

a bit I would like a little more information. Just And then

there was another one. Oh, she also mentioned think she mentioned I'm not gonna put words in her mouth because I'm not sure. Is there a plan for historic properties that we don't know about? Like, is there a I know that that the whole RFP is supposed to be doing the looking at all the properties. But is there something in place that she seemed to I I seem to recall someone saying, oh, well, we have a plan.

And I was like, okay. If there's a plan, I would just like to know more about that. Okay. How are historic properties part of the county?

She got Facilities. I have a note here. It might be the same thing. It just said Danielle will provide an update on projects that went to SHPO. So anything that went to is that

No. That was gonna be her public works update. I would would just maybe ask the general question. Is there plan for historic properties somewhere? I feel like they were making something new, and so maybe that was just part of the future plan. I don't know. I feel like that's what the RFP was for, because it's called historic preservation plan. So is there something in place currently that's going to work with that? Or we don't have anything right now, and this is going to Well, we can ask the question. That's my that's my question. I don't think we have anything. I think we have the comprehensive master plan, which may cover it very vaguely. Okay. And that's my

yeah. A clarification would

be better. Yeah.

If it's in the comprehensive master plan, that would be interesting. And I'm not what little I could get on the RFP, it talked about how this would work in the the plan for the consultant that whatever they created were would fit into the bigger plan, which I just assumed was comprehensive master plan. Or So I think if we well, when we talk about the RFP, maybe it's a good time to discuss that, how it how it's going to work Sure.

Together. So that would well, we don't want the RFP next week, though. I mean, next month, though. Right? We don't want the discussion on the RFP. Or

An update, I think, is fine, but I think a discussion mean Well, she does tell us what she's done. So we do have time for that.

That's what I'm asking.

Because we're gonna work on the work plan next week.

But do we have time for these updates, or do we wanna wait till December?

Ask Patrick. But I think you could have a quick update on Exactly. The Like, have you talked to people? Have you chosen someone? Shortlist is four people, and Yeah. We're talking to three of them. I think just Where is it?

Yeah. I think so too. Yeah. I just want

to I'm I'm encouraging us to have

But then a longer Agreed. Longer discussion at another point about how that is going to work with. I mean, we don't want to go through all this work with the RFP to have a binder that sits on a shelf. Right? So it needs to work with How will it be implemented?

Wendy, can you answer a procedural question for me? How is the agenda developed? Is that done between the liaison and the chair? If you were to be developing our December meeting, would you just take these comments and that would be the agenda, or do you run it through Yes. Danielle would review everything that you all have proposed. Okay.

And then she would create the agenda. Basically, it's the same formula. Right. And then she would take anything from this meeting forward.

Does she consult with the chair on the agenda?

I'm sure she does for clarification if need be. Yes.

I think that depends on who our liaison is. In the past, I know they did contact the chair and worked directly with them. Just so that we don't have the clarifications during the discussion or if they know it. Yes. Yeah. Okay. I just so we have a lot of things about future agenda. I just wanna make sure they don't all pop up on the December 1 because that is kind of reserved for the work plan.

Okay. Sure. I will be sure to brief Danielle on those topics as well. Thank you, Wendy. Appreciate it.

Okay. Any other future agenda items or discussions? I've taken some notes. I will reach out to Patrick on several of these. I may reach out to Danielle.

Can because I will be gone in January and February, it might be nice at one of those meetings to so I think if you guys have time, one of you could go in my place to the APP. Okay. Well or you could just contact Anna because the APP talks about I mean, if you're if you want updates those two months, you should just go. Okay. They always have really interesting meetings.

Okay. And they make a lot

of progress on a lot of different topics. But if you want specifically to know what Anna's up to, she will report on that at that meeting,

or you could email her. Would Oh, yeah. Appreciate that. Thank you for the reminder that that's a connection that we'll lose while your last time you forwarded

I've done that first. Oh, I could yeah.

I could do that. Yeah. I can do that. Yeah.

I did that. That's helpful. And then I just listened online, actually.

I didn't Oh, that's a great idea.

I just listened online.

Yeah. Yeah. So when I get those those two, I will forward them to

you. Thank you.

And so that way, you don't have to remember. I'll I'll send those back out, and they're on for you guys to go.

Thank you. Yeah. Don't wanna lose that connection.

Alright.

Return the meeting. It's you. It's I'm next door. Okay.

Since I missed the beginning of any public comment, sorry. Okay. Because I had to regroup here.

So

there are two things. Hey. Sean Levy was gonna tonight, but they're rebuilding their computer system after it crashed or something. So, anyway, she just wanted to ask the board if if any of anybody had read the report that she handed out and get some response from it and just so I just said I would forward that to see what the people has read. Her report on the DP Road that she surface historic archaeology, twentieth century archaeology. She's done the. Really? Yeah.

I I read it. It was great.

That's a big one, isn't it?

So it sounds like she's soliciting

what you're referring to there. Yes. And Because I yeah. Yes.

So she sounds like she's soliciting comments. So if you have comments, please send them along, Sean.

And and her her main overarching thing is that she would happily do with with authorization from the county some to be able to go onto construction sites on land or that's going to be transferred or sold. Like, all of DP Road, it looks like it's gonna become a housing ghetto. Mhmm. Anyway, that she would volunteer to do that, but essentially told we don't have a way to do that or no. Yeah.

She and Danielle discussed that last meeting Yeah. On what that process would look like for her to do that.

Okay. And so she just was wondering if you had read it, and it it is. I've, seen pieces of it, but not the finished product. You

didn't take that one. I think he was giving it up.

Okay. That was I'll just tell her. But yes. Second thing is the historic Romero Cabin, and there's a sign that used to be a a road sign when the county first opened to direct people to come to Los Alamos. It's okay.

You know, the business want you here. And, and then things that there are to do, you know, they were they're huge. And there's one that was found and was restored by the historical society volunteers, and and the county replaced it. The main museum building, which is the guest cottage, which belongs to the county, and and it was up against the wall there. And it's still a favorite thing.

I've seen tourists out there taking pictures of it, but it has been watered. Overspring and watering has damaged it, and it is not rain. It you know, it's from the ground Sprinkler. Out halfway. So that's watering.

And that same thing is happening to the Romero Cabin. Romero Cabin, I I think the sign and the Romero Cabin are property of the historical society, but they the watering. The watering is the county. And we have actually met with the parks superintendent, Wendy Parker, and and they they saw the problem. And but it's the same thing that has happened in the past with all the other park superintendents that preceded her.

The watering does not stop or get redirected. So I I would propose that and I I sent this to Wendy, but I haven't done anything, you know, formal to do this, that they make the landscaping around those historic things that don't need to be watered, native landscaping. And, number one, they'll look more natural than this rusty cabin in the middle of this golf course looking lawn. You know, they they keep really good care of the lawn, but but needs to be something native and not watered in front of both of those signs. And and they they want to keep something accessible through the Romero Cabin.

The Romero Cabin, you can go up and look in if you're you know, go up the steps and bump your head if you're too tall. So that but there has to be also some accessibility issues. But the whole thing needs to with the historic preservation board, if there was some note that there's concern and within the county, figure it out. Quit quit damaging these things. Yeah.

Because the historical society has asked the guys who originally restored the sign, the the the sign. Mhmm. And, actually, they worked on the cabin too for making the the excess you know, those period inside. So, and they none of them were gonna do it because they said, you know, look. It got got damaged, and it shouldn't look like this.

So we're not until something can be done, there's no point you know, doing Right. Getting those off. Yeah. But you're so I don't know if there's some clout that or that this board can take through. Because at this point, I don't know if the historical society has, know, has has cared enough to do any of that. Because they're pretty distracted at the moment with a couple of million several million dollar job

Right. In

a house in a famous house.

Suggest we put that on for our January agenda, and then we can make discussions and decisions and such. It's a little late in the game for this meeting, but I appreciate and I've also seen the water damage to the cabin and the sign.

Yeah. I think it's something that goes both parks and rec Mhmm. And and historic preservation. Agreed. Agreed. I just wanted to raise that. I appreciate it. Yeah.

So if you could put that on for our January, watering around historic assets, think, is what we're yeah.

And, you know, get something if it well, yeah, get something firm from the historical society that, yeah, we're addressing this problem or or, yeah, we're busy.

Yeah. Well, we can discuss in January and then take action to either write a letter to the county or historical society or whatever action would look like. Need to think on what that would look like. I appreciate you bringing it to our attention. I think we we can we can take an action on it. Thank you. Of course. No. It's always can do that. Always nice to have you here.

Thank you.

Anything else? Berta, you're good? Okay. Alright. So I move to adjourn the meeting. Do I have a second? I'll second.