Historic Preservation Advisory Board - Regular Meeting

Here, it sounds like, or everybody who we anticipate is going to be here?

Yes.

Alright. Well, let's call this meeting to order then, which is good. We can go around and, do the necessary, introductions now that we're there. I'm Patrick Moore. I'm chair, and I guess we'll go around the room that's there.

Eric Gregory, deputy director the

Specialist at Antel, board member.

Luis Martino, board member.

Patrick Cruz, the vice chair.

David Rieger, liaison. I'm gonna move around to where I can see you.

And it sounds like we have a couple of other people in the room, at least.

We have two great people. Those are public

commenters. Go ahead, public

Well, we can go around, and we can do introduction to everybody who's actually in the room.

You gotta go to George is for Patent, and you probably need my address too if I talk.

We can do that. And who else is there? Georgia, if you'd sure. Go right ahead.

I'm Shawn Levy, and I speak for the twentieth century archaeology of this county's property.

Alright. And, Danielle, are you there?

I am here. Sorry about that. Am the planning manager. Hello, everyone.

Alright. Fantastic. So we've done that. We've gone through. Could we get a approval of today's agenda?

Do I have a motion

on that?

I move that we approve today's agenda.

Alright. Awesome. Fantastic. Any any any comment on that? Hearing none, all in favor?

Aye. Alright.

And we have that. Okay. So let's review and approve the meetings from our last minute a mass meeting, which we have missed a month in here. So So this would be the June 4 minute minutes from our 06/04/2025 meeting. People have had a chance to review those?

I move to approve the minutes from the June 4 meeting.

Alright. And do we have a second? Second. Alright. Any comment or or discussion of the meetings which have been which have been moved to approve? Alright. Hearing none, all in favor of the minutes? Aye. Alright. So with that, excellent. So let's move on to the public comment section for items not on the agenda. Alright. I'm I feel like I'm seeing Georgia in there. In

his in the vein of historic preservation, but what's up right now in in everybody's mind is the North Mesa Park recreational development that is to take place. There's one suddenly, that whole area that is has no improvements on it. Well, it has been decided by the recreation department that it needs improvement. So there's on there is the very eastern part of it. So there's a loop road when you go off of Santo De Foncho.

That's called North Mesa Park Road. And and that makes a little loop over to the rodeo grounds and to some other now pickleball courts are being put in and tennis courts and and it's a trailhead, so on the far side of that. And so that air in that area is an accessible pathway, which they're trying to get more of those, and it's already been there since about 2004. So what happened let me give you a little background. FEMA bill, we call it the trailers after the '2 thousand fire were placed out there.

And utilities put in, there were something like 87 mobile home things that were put there with the agreement that they would be gone in eighteen months, which is what happened. And then the area would go back to being a open space, an open area. So that's what has happened. There's a soccer field that was developed there. There's some mud volleyball courts.

And then and then oh, when it was Fayetteville, a fence was put around the stable area. So that kinda demarks where the stable area is. But that area that is circumscribed by the pathway is oak is natural vegetation. There are pinon and juniper trees. There's a variety of grama grasses.

And in fact, it probably looks a lot like it did when the homesteaders first came. The rest of the area up further was farmed. We see the you you can see that from old aerial photos. But this is one piece of Mesa top that is is original. And so and it's circumscribed by the pathway, which is, by the way, utilized a lot by the people who live in the only affordable housing in Los Alamos, La Mesa, mobile home park.

And and I going out there when I became concerned about it, I was never there when there wasn't somebody walking on that pathway utilizing the pathway. I was very surprised. So it's a utilized area, utilized by the because I could see they were coming from the La Mesa Park. And so, anyway, it is and I'm and before the historic preservation board because I I realized this is, one piece of all of our plateau area that is original. On that mesa, we do have the Manuel Lujan Homestead, which is on the state register of historic places, the the cabin.

And next to that cabin is a cistern that's in the ground, so that belongs to the county, the cistern. But the building itself is owned by a nonprofit. And so that's I just wanted to call this to the attention because I fear for that that designated natural habitat area. And I I found, the map from, February 28, 2024, just a year and a half ago, of the designated natural areas, and that is definite in fact, all of the open space in, North Mesa is is designated in that park. But that got switcherooed on us, and it's in my opinion, it's in danger of becoming, part of a bike park or something that requires development that would disturb that natural area that is used.

How is it zoned?

Well, if you know, the zoning changed from there are two two kinds of open spaces zoning, and it's now zoned open spaces active. But it was open spaces passive. So the open spaces active was something that those of us who watch open spaces, you know, didn't shout loud enough to say no. Don't do that. Open space is open space.

If you wanna use it for something else, then go through the zoning. But don't just hang it out there as low hanging fruit for everybody that wants county land to develop something for recreation. So so that that piece, the that leaves the rest of that area that got zoned active recreation available. So, I just wanted to call that to your attention because I think it's a historic preservation issue as well as preserving our natural areas and the accessible pathway, which, you know, and they keep saying, oh, yeah. We gotta have more accessible pathways, and now they wanna

build a bike park on it. But,

anyway, they're it it's not approved by the any changes and any plans to be presented by the county are not are not finished being vetted. So so it's still going through the public process, but I just wanted to make that. Thank you for your time.

I second everything George has said.

Right. Do I have any questions from the board?

I just know that Sean has done a lot of research over in that area.

Yeah. I'll be addressing not that specifically, but kind of peripherally in my confidence.

Alright.

And just for my verification, is the Lucon Homestead is the cabin there? It's not there. Right? There it is.

It is the only location.

So

I have a question too. So you said that the so is there a plan to develop it, or you're just hearing rumblings?

No. No. There it's been through a couple of public Okay. They used to call them where you sit around the table and and say, oh, well, let's put the tennis court here, and let's do the Okay. And so, those the consultant took those and came up with plans a and b. A has that natural area developed with the past. So I don't know. I didn't look in detail. B b keeps it as it is with the other. And we so everybody got to choose, look at that, and and fill out a comment form on it.

And Okay. And so I guess they go back to the to the consultant, and then the I believe then they'll present any finish, and then Right. Anything to Parks and Rec.

So is your with your sorry. Follow on. With your recommendation I mean, which plan do you want? I haven't seen the plan, so I

don't know. Yeah. I I should've That's okay. Got some stuff. So Okay. It's online. Okay. And so under the plan for that project. So I I would be in favor of b because it leaves the trail. And my only comment with that was to put in a, you know, a small fence to keep people from using it as the parking lot. Right. For right. Okay.

And so Just to clarify. Go ahead.

I just I just wanna clarify that saying the trail is is was installed somewhere around 2004. Right?

The trail Trail

that goes around.

It's a pathway paved. It is a paved pathway.

I don't think it existed before. Was that therapy for? I I can't personally attest to that, but something I read said that was true.

Okay. Because the you know, I I think you're probably right. And everybody liked that area because there was a tree, and everybody said protect the tree. Well, the tree has since died. So so but but there are pinon and juniper. There's there it is. There were some other cactus, native cactus that got destroyed. Didn't make it. And and some of those were put in as a reclamation project by a girl scout troop. Mhmm.

And that's that's even more. And right by it is a sign that says the natural habitat area. But all of that, to me is also historic because it's the only place that shows what maybe the homesteaders saw when they first came and parked.

Right. Any other questions for Georgia on this? Thank you for bringing it to our attention. Alright. Well, keep we'll keep us surprised. The board will certainly appreciate this information so that we can pass some pass thoughts along as needed to council. So our next public comment, do you wanna give us your name again and and your, and your go ahead and give us your address so at least we can have that down there. Which thank you, Georgia. My

name is Sean Levy. My address is 1029 Big Rock Loop, and I am here to speak for the twentieth century archaeological remains on the surface of the ground on county land here in Los Alamos. I've been doing research on various sites for about the last ten years, so I've been able to compile a fairly good inventory of some of the the better ones that I've seen. I don't know how many of you saw the exhibit that was here in the Municipal Building on archaeological things that came from an area near DP Road. I selected that site because it is documented as having contained no archaeological resources at the time that the land was transferred from the Department of Energy to Los Alamos County.

So because of that, I felt free to do my research and see what I could find. And I've done the exhibit. I've also prepared a report. If you want a reading assignment, I'll try to provide it at the next meeting, and you could take a look at it. The earlier version of that report was provided to parks and recreation because on the county website, they are identified as having responsibility for archaeological sites.

Now what I wanted was the county to provide me with some kind of authorization to continue doing the work that I was doing, and I'm not really willing to take it to the next phase without some kind of authorization from the county. Parks and Recreation turned me down. So here I am, asking for people who maybe have more of a focus on historical significance, including archaeological remains. And I emphasize again that I work only in the twentieth century. I do not have anything to do with Pueblo remains or anything like that.

So what I would like is if you would take a look at this report, maybe it will give you some ideas how to move forward in getting county buy in to what I'm I would like to do. As far as I'm aware, no one else is doing this. As far as the county is concerned, what I look at is either garbage or nonexistent, and eventually it will be gone. So I see some urgency in working on this. And I I hate to say it, I won't be around that much longer either, so I I have to make a a plea for some urgency in in doing this.

So I'll I'll be happy to answer any questions now, but I think maybe after you've read the report, you'll have a better idea of what it is that I do and how it provides new stories that have not been told before and how it does focus specifically on early twentieth century items, mainly the homestead era, the ranch school, and the Manhattan Project. The exhibit that I put together for the municipal building here focused only on the ranch school because that's kind of where we are as far as publicity goes because of all the interest in Oppenheimer. But there's certainly a lot more to be told than just that aspect of it. So I thank you in advance for any support that you can think of that would help with this.

Right. Do we have any, any questions from the board?

Not at this time.

Maybe after the report. Okay.

Yeah. How are we gonna get you be providing it to us?

Or I will provide it to you in hard copy. Appreciate it. Thanks.

Did the parks and parks give you a reason why they denied

you? No. No. It was basically a one sentence denial. It was based on consultation with the superior. I don't know if that means Corey Styron or if it means someone else and colleagues. So I really don't know.

Okay. Well, we can the board certainly can have a look at it and figure out probably conversations with parks and rec if they're the ones who have oversight of it, but we can certainly see and explore what options might be might be possible.

Thank you very much.

Right. Any other public comment?

Don't have anyone online? Alright.

Well, then we will continue moving forward then. So why don't we do an update on the post office clock update?

Okay. Since Loretta is not here, Loretta and I compiled the results of our research, and we sent them to you, Patrick, for comment and review. I don't know if you've had the opportunity or if you did. I brought paper copies for the board members.

Please do. I think an update to everybody makes some sense.

Well, I think it's it's basically a combination of everything that Georgia and I have reported in the meetings that she talked to the manager of the post office and he, in favor of restoration, there's a number of bureaucratic requirements that he felt would not be possible at this time to overcome. And the University of New Mexico has misplaced the drawings. So we are kind of at a a standstill. But we have a a write up that says all of the research that we've done and all the information that we got, which I think is what you wanted us to provide to mister Rumer. So it is in your inbox if you wanna review or if it can just go to him as is.

Whatever whatever you like.

Yeah. So I think I'm not sure that's the prerogative of the chair to make that call, but when I did go through in an assessment, I didn't see that there were any complications, and I thought it was pretty straightforward. Have we had any con has has anybody been in contact with him since our our our initial communication with the board? I

sent him an email afterwards with the history of Willard c Krueger, who is a prominent architect at Los Alamos and in New Mexico, but that was kind of a side note. Had nothing to do with the clock specifically.

Okay.

But I have not been in contact with him since that email, which I think I sent the day after our meeting that he presented.

Okay. Well, certainly appreciate our go ahead.

No. I just say, so I am in email communication. If you wanted me to forward him this write up, I'd be happy to do that.

Danielle, do we have any are there any logistical or or communication requirements we need to go through from board back to as I look down at you like you're in the corner, communicating back with constituents?

No. It it'll be fine that she that she communicates with him and just lets him know what what was discussed at the at the through the write up.

Okay. Well, again, Gary, I appreciate you. I well, I appreciate everybody who spent time working on this. Certainly, the the layers of federal versus local state bureaucracy is all coming into play. It's almost a case study of where do you go from here, but is what it is. So

And then and just one of the follow ups. So while we couldn't find the drawings, I decided it would be important to get in touch with the historic preservation officer, for United States Postal Service, and that position is currently vacant. So we just kinda hit dead ends all around. There's no one to talk to in the historic preservation part of the post office. The manager here doesn't see any way for him to push this project through, and we don't have drawings to even estimate a restoration. So and I don't know if any of those things will ever get resolved.

It was very impressive.

They do seem like not inconsequential mountains to climb.

Yeah. At least not in the next few years. Maybe yeah. I I don't know. I don't know when any of those positions will be filled or people will have the will to do anything like that. So Well,

we certainly did due diligence on our part.

I think so. I think we we tried to answer all the questions and lay out a path for work in the future. So I think someone could pick this up in a year and try again and see if any of those positions exist, if anyone has any more will or information. But we've created a good foundation with which to continue the push or continue the research. And we did at the end of the document provide a small path forward, and one of them was to provide the results to Mr.

Ruminer and any other interested party in pursuing the restoration, such as the historical society, which we had talked to Todd a little bit, and then how they would have to work with USPS facilities management to to identify their path for doing it. So there's a lot more steps, but I think we've laid the groundwork.

Well and the groundwork is there, foundation. If some conditions change or opportunities arise, who knows what might come up next? There may be a saving America's treasure grant, but that would be outside of the purview as a federal piece of property. So

Yeah.

Not even sure they're eligible. Maybe. I don't know. Alright. Any other questions for Carrie on the clock?

Alright. Well, let's move on to update on the Los Alamos County historic property inventory update.

Would you like me to give that update?

I'm not sure how that works. So that is going out for RFP, hopefully, by the end of this week, if not early next week. So we'll have the I'm assuming the the next part of that would be the interviews and then selection for the consultants probably around the September, early October. I would say early October. And

and who who all is doing that to go back to a question, Liz? Unless you wanna just ask the question, Liz. So is the is the anybody from this board participating in that conversation, or is this exclusively going to be from the county side?

Based off of the last meeting, Liz was going to get me an email for some qualifications.

I I sent that to Jane and to Patrick. I don't know where that I did my duty, but, honestly, it didn't get to the right person because it wasn't

in this email. Okay. I had I had prepared a list of falls that I would hope that would have gotten into the RFP to Jane long before the RFP was put out. It hasn't been put out yet. Okay. Last time I talked to her, she said she never got it, and then I never saw her again. So would you like that email as well? Okay.

Just forward me the same email that

you sent to Jean. Alright. Yeah. It's just a one pager on the calls that I think the person should have that gets the job. That's perfect. Yeah. We we didn't get a lot. Okay. Yeah. No worries.

So is Jin no longer are you the contact now or who

Yeah. Yeah.

And, Patrick, maybe I don't have your correct email either because the whole idea was that the board take a look at the these what I put together, the recommendations for the county. And I don't know how to get it in this packet and get it on the agenda.

Well, I think at this point, Danielle, as she said, is the is the correct conduit. And she was that account the one that she sent out, the email for our current should go directly to her.

So what is your email that I should use if I want to put if I have an that should be on the agenda?

Sure. I will be happy to relay that. I will send you an email with that information.

Okay. Because there was also the email that we received from a citizen asking about the signs, and that went to the whole board, but it's not on the agenda either. So I I don't know. I can't bring it up because it's not on the agenda, but it should be, I guess, on our next agenda.

You bring it up at public comment.

Well, it's from the public. He's he sent the letter to all of us. You saw it. Right? Or

Yep. That would have been an appropriate time for its inclusion. Still can.

Okay. Yeah. I didn't know that process either. So when we have something that we want on the agenda, what do we do? Who do we send it to? That's a

good question. You can send it to me or Patrick Or even your P and Z, I'm sorry, the, historic preservation board email address.

And that gentleman sent it to that email.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay. But

I don't I don't put stuff

on the agenda. It would need

to come from you all. Okay. Can we get this on the agenda during this time? Yes.

Okay. Did not know that.

Yeah. I appreciate that too because I thought the process was to go to Patrick, and then he would talk to staff who would create the agenda. So maybe I should have sent it to staff. But I did. I can send it to Jane. But

Yeah. It's it should be more of a collaborative effort between myself and Patrick. With Jane's departure, it's this is our first meeting kind of getting established as what needs to happen. Now going forward, I'll start creating the agendas and making sure that that's what the board needs to see and wants to see within the agenda. I'll get it on there, send it over to Patrick for approval, and then get it published. So if

we have a topic for the agenda, the best thing to do would be send it to you in the chair, and then you guys can concur on its inclusion or not. Okay. Thank you. It'll be it'll be included.

Okay. No matter what. Yeah. It'll just be the way that it's presented within the agenda. Patrick will get final approval.

Gotcha. Okay. Sounds good.

Alright. Any other any other questions on the inventory update for Danielle?

Yeah. I want to clarify with Liz. The document that you were creating, was that for the inventory or for the proposed county cultural resources person?

It's a cultural resources person, but it's related to the inventory because the idea is who is going to oversee that inventory and who is going to be the person that this RFP reports to I agree. At the county. So it is included in what I wrote up. It's related as the whole idea is that we need someone at the county level who understands historic preservation, who is the primary contact. I I feel like when things come up, like the parks and rec and thing we may only meet once a month, but things come up regularly.

I think with this inventory, things are going to come up regularly.

You know?

There's a little theater. There's a you know? And there needs to be someone on staff who is tasked and responsible, making sure inventory written, they're aware of it, and that they follow the

Well, that they can answer questions and guide the contractor. Yeah. You need to tell that there's gonna be.

Lot meet once a month, and they don't even come to us a lot of times. Right. Some rec had come to us. So maybe if there was someone at the county level whose job was to stay on top of it, it might be more efficient. So, anyway, I typed this all up. I'll send it out again, and hopefully, you're on the next agenda.

Okay. Any other questions? And for clarification, since I have access here, the last emails I have directly from you are back in 02/2024. So wherever you sent it did not make it to me. Did

you get my email?

Yeah. See, I I don't know if we have your right email.

Yeah. I think

I think I have three emails for you, Patrick.

Carrie. Yeah. I do have yours, Carrie. The a guest.

I I

thought you're one of the post office. So Okay. We'll make sure that we'll get we'll make sure we will make sure that all board members have other other members' correct emails so they can communicate directly with so we don't get into the rolling forum issue.

Right. Right. And that's always my fear, and so I probably don't email enough people. I'm worried about that. So, Patrick, I just wanted to follow-up.

One of

the things that we had talked about that kind of folds into the county's inventory, which kinda talks to what Sean is discussing, and having a person at the county that's responsible for cultural resources at the county. We had talked about, like, finalizing or developing the list of resources in the county. So ultimately, the state historic preservation officer the one that manages the list of resources for the state, and any contractor needs to go there to find out the list for the county. That is to say there was a CLG. I think Los Alamos County is responsible for managing their own list.

You need a person to do that. I don't know who that person is. That person would then also get access to the state repository, and I put you in contact with who would provide that that access. And then so that's really kind of how it works in the county. But with the CLG, we have special privilege to get access to that so we could keep up our own list based on all the work that's being done in the county, not by the county. So that would be something else if we had someone at the county that was overseeing the contractor, had access to the sites list and the historic structures list from the state, then they can start building an inventory for the county. Because I know that's ultimately what we're

we're trying to get at. And that so one of

the the one of the, I don't

know, rules in the CLG is that it says, in order to carry out the duties delegated to it, CLG shall employ have regular access by contract or letter of agreement to one professional who meets the standards. That is one of the reasons we're asking for someone at the county who can And it says annual funds transferred to CLDs may be used toward retaining a preservation consultant. So that's we're trying to leverage those opportunities. It's time, especially because of this list. And our trails also still included on that list?

I hope so. I don't want them to slip off things that go off the trail.

Can I ask, is is it a selective inventory that you're looking at? Are you looking at No.

We're looking at a Los Alamos County. Okay.

So, like, full cultural resources inventory, archaeology structures, buildings, districts, objects, everything. Okay. Cool. That's great. That's good news. But you can do a selective survey, and I just didn't know.

We're doing an inclusive, but our specification for the board will be more towards what the county owns.

Yes. As far as

Like, we have to separate them, but it'll be an inclusive list. Excellent. Thank you.

May I ask question? There

Hey. Were there were there funds from the state ever transferred to us? Where did we have we started any type of process like that yet? Have we seen anything, those annual funds that Liz just mentioned for the contractor or position that could be used from the state for that position? Have we seen anything like that come in in our budgets? I I'm not familiar with it yet.

I don't think there was ever a line item for any funds that would come to us. This was something that was that came with the the designation of a DLG. The fact that we're a a CLG, a certified local government, gives us these re gives us this access because of our role, but we have a responsibility on behalf of the county as a certified local government that we should be going. Is is this what you're trying to say, Liz? So this would be something that would be the county's responsibility. No funds would be coming for this from the state for this.

Gotcha. So I guess I misinterpreted what Liz said when she said annual funds are transferred from the state and can be used for

It just says annual funds transferred to CLGs.

Does it specify where those annual funds are transferred from?

There's a number. 410010

Gotcha. I can I

can look more into that? Administrative. Yeah. Or just call Carla, the CLG coordinator.

So this is straight out of the, CLG

Yeah. The the state program manager. From the cultural resources division.

Because they did reach out to her to see if someone at the county could get access because we're a CLG. So she knows we're talking about this and thinking about this. So

Alright. Baker House update. Do we have one?

Who's who's In the county. Right? The county?

Yes. Right now. So the the dormitory and the Baker House, these are questions that are coming to the county.

Alright. So I will look into the Baker House. I'm unfamiliar with that project. That must have been prior to my existence at the county. But the Manhattan project, I did ask for an update yesterday, and that one is right now, it's SHPO, and it's going through its thirty to forty five day review process. They're hoping thirty days, but I was told it could be, extended a little, from the project manager at Public Works.

Okay. Cool. Any questions on, yes. That we that's the information we have available. So are there any any any questions from the board that would like to as they are looking toward this process, and we are working with historic preservation office to make this happen?

Alright. Then we will move on. So chairs report. So this is where I get to be the the troublemaker in the mix. So thank you to this board for the work that they are have done thus far.

And certainly, it has changed a lot over the last several years and watching it truly professionalized and and the the mix of people who are on it are trained skilled professionals, which is certainly a gift that this county has who are asking the right kinds of questions and are able to navigate through. Certainly, Carrie, your your role in saying I know where to find things. So with that, I I have the the disappointing step of saying that I will be stepping down from the chair and from the board immediately. It seemed like with the growing number of tasks that I have and being pulled into things that something needed to come back, and I've done multiple stints on this board. And it's the one place as I think I I had a conversation with a few people in the room there that it the the one area where I know I can transition off and this board will continue to do fantastic things.

So with my appreciation that everybody's doing these kinds of things, and I will now relinquish my responsibility on the board and pass this over to the vice chair who will continue on in my stead, and then you can make the determination about what's next steps might be coming. But, again, rarely is there sort of a role where you feel like you're letting anybody down knowing that you have such a capacity and such skill set with the people who are in the room right now, and Loretta, who unfortunately isn't here. But my thanks to everybody for doing this.

That's a bummer, Patrick.

Not really. You have great people here, and I will continue I know. Leadership Los Alamos board and Main Street Futures, and there's a whole gamut of things. So don't worry. And and and as I have already relayed to some people there, I am certainly a resource and available if there are questions of support, and I'm certainly willing to be a gadfly as necessary. So but thank you.

Patrick, thank thank you for your leadership and direction and guardrails. That's been greatly appreciated.

Thank you, Carrie. Thank you, Patrick. So with that, call Patrick. You don't even have to spell Patrick. So now you just move on.

Chair Patrick. Sorry. Can't be easy,

guys. Okay. We do need, last time we had a vacancy, it took us a long time to fill it, and let's hope we will. Okay.

So, Danielle, for our next meeting or before, can you provide us information on how to get a new member? I've never I was not on the board the last time. That was part of process, and then it was Patrick.

I was like, understanding. Actually, I am going through this right now with PNC, so I understand this now. Okay. It is an advertisement that we put out. So we'll put out the advertisement. We'll keep it out until we get applicants, and then we will do a, an interview with the applicants, myself, the new chair, and, our liaison counselor. And we will interview new applicants and then bring them to the board to vote. Okay. And I do believe they have to go to council.

For just final approval, usually. We to find enough to fill the seats. Yeah.

Yeah. Recommendation and final approval.

You can find someone to if you can find enough people to fill the seats, that's important. And that usually goes on the consent agenda. Who who arranges the interviews right now? It you?

Me, you. So I'll get the emails, the applications through our system. We'll review them. I will set up my schedule and schedule your schedule, and we'll we'll I'll schedule the interview.

Somebody put out the public announcement.

That'll come from our PIO, Julie. And she's yeah. Julie or, Leslie.

Patrick, I appreciate your willingness to take on the

chair at least temporarily if permanently. With your support, all

of your help and everything.

You got it.

So we will also need to elect a vice chair. You will need to select and we'll just get a vice chair.

I think that we'll have to wait for Loretta to have all the president to do that.

And I'm out the next meeting. Sorry.

For September? Yes. Gotcha. It's on schedules.

So maybe for October's.

K. Let me first say. That's pretty bad.

Love your welcome.

I'm gonna get people to apply. Wow.

Mic drop, Patrick. I know. This

dirty chair, would you like to continue the meeting?

I guess we're at the staff reports.

I have reported all I have

to report.

Oh, here you go. I have got some about conference. Templates done

for you all. They were Thank you, Danielle.

Fantastic. They were reviewed previously by you all. They were sent to Patrick and Ellen, and they got this

I love it. I just just

got that. They

got this for you. Ellen got it done as soon as we asked for it, so it didn't it did not people

with this. That's out. That's true.

This is

why we're asking you to join. I think this is awesome. This is great. I even like this

better than the trifold. I really do. It's almost like a door hanger. Yeah. Do. But this is

I had to keep it simple. Patrick went through the funnel on it. We know that it had what you initially requested, and Nice

job, Patrick.

Even provided. So wanted to get that.

Yay. Yay. That's great.

Looks really good. Yes.

See, there is something good. And Ellen is a superstar. So kudos to Ellen as well on the record for her her very kind support of this.

Absolutely. She did get it done as soon as we asked her to. I think there was a lack of communication previously. But Ellen was wonderful in communicating with Patrick and getting the brochures printed immediately.

There's the report from Loretta, the art in public spaces for did everyone see that email from Loretta? Yes. Okay. I was online, so I did hear the discussion, but I think Loretta's write up is better than. The main thing I think that we were talking about is a homesteader project, and they are waiting until October.

They wanna meet with this person who's coming in from the the Arts Council in October. And they were not sure that they liked the location that was proposed, which was over on Barranca Mesa near the park. I don't know what part what that part is called. But they mentioned possibly putting this whatever piece of artwork near Romero Cabin, which would have to come before us, I believe. Historic preservation because it's in the historic district.

I don't know. I don't I think having every sculpture in tiny little is not the best idea either, but I think we can give our opinion when we're asked. And so their stuff is all on hold.

Sorry, Liz. What's the point you're making? You you concentrate too much art in that one little They

the idea for this homesteader project is there would be a call for art honoring homesteaders, and then it would be placed at a park on Barranca Mesa. And I don't know the name of the park, but David Hampton, I know, was very involved in trying to get a piece of artwork at this park. But the art in public places felt like no one would see it there. It wasn't visible. They wanted it they thought maybe a better place would be downtown near the Romero Cabin, which is right neck right by Fuller Lodge.

Yeah. Where we have everything else.

Have everything else, which was kind of well, you know, the whole idea of the homesteader, I think, was to try and spread out Yeah. Awareness of where these homesteads are located. So but I think we'll have an opportunity or the public will have an opportunity to also address that Yeah. When it comes up. But right now, everything's on hold.

So That's

a persuasive argument. Like, here's it. Hear the argument.

And this is a small park. It's it's not part of Barranca Elementary School.

No. I think it's a small park.

It's a dinosaur park. That's I think

it's right by the main road.

That's by Los Pueblos. Was here. Cross Street.

I think she has the name

of the part here. Is that is that?

No. It's right there.

You No.

It's right I'll ask Dave. I'll ask David Hampton what's the name of the park. Where it's Oh. Where it's located.

You present it to us

to call us?

That that might have. Think the visibility on it.

But that's because it's not he felt like park. You know?

I think David

in that park. What? Trying to elevate stutters on an on a mesa where there was homesteading. Yeah.

He didn't tell us which park it was in his presentation. No. I

think it's Chair, I think it's probably the, it's the one that right as you come up down the hill and before you turn down Baranca Road, it's the one that you hit right there, the 2 Branch Dinosaur Park.

Oh, that's not the one where they went to Homestead. It's it's down Los Pueblos. So after you turn on Los Pueblos, and then you go by several streets from the sixties or seventies vintage. And then before you get to the narrow neck

Oh, you're talking to the Los Pueblos Bike Park? The one that's right there just beyond Tusuki just across from Laguna and Tusuki?

That sounds about right. Yeah.

Oh.

So I think the the big question well, there are two big questions is the call for art, they want to figure out what that call for art should say. What kind of art are they requesting? You know, what do they want the art to represent, and then the location. And neither one of those have really been decided. That's still being debated at the art in public place

on the art in public places.

Everything else they discussed, I don't think has anything really to do with historic preservation.

Thank you for sharing.

Okay.

Well, just stay aware. Yeah. Stay aware.

Yeah. Exactly. Okay. So if I could pull the staff reports, let's see.

I no. There should be something on the agenda for liaison report. There should be. And, who's typing up this agenda?

That's That's yeah.

That's the because this is the other issue. Are you doing this, or is

it So you need you need a certain training to be able to get on to Granicus to do the agendas. So we had one of our staff members from CDD type up an agenda for this meeting specifically.

Because it was also missing from the last one, I think. The liaison report. The liaison report would be in there somewhere Sorry. Put the chairman and the staff attention. Somewhere in there. If you'd like to

I will read the agendas and

the letter before approving them in the future. Oh, you get a chance to read them before they go out?

No. No.

See them? No. We get them when they go out. So at that point, if we make the comment, like, when I approved it this morning or moved to approve it, I should have noticed that was missing in prompt to add that. And so

I'll Yeah.

We just added it in the future. Yeah. So, anyway, the I have two things to report. One is that there's a nice report here on the twenty fifth anniversary of of the Caldera, and they are going over the history of first being, the first transition to the preserve and then now the National Park Service. And they go over a lot of the history of where it is. So if you see this, it's been It's put this out circulating it around. And we had a report on it Tuesday last night at the council meeting. And the other one is I think, you you know, the women's dormitory, has anybody seen the inside? Have any of you had a tour? So I think the whole

board having a tour for this board.

We did it with Jane. So

Yeah. I I think I heard one of them with somebody else's idea, but it was a great thing for you to do. I think everybody they're gonna have a new board member too and go out and get a tour of

it.

Yeah.

It's really informative to me. And then I don't know if you'll agree with what I think, but just go see it.

And is the I guess I don't know, and I apologize. I probably have it in my notes somewhere. Is the the plan for the interior also with the SHPO right now, or is that just the exterior changes?

I didn't answer that with I

don't think

I did we see that report? We saw the evaluation report, but I don't know if we saw what report. Is it actually went to the SHPO for the rehabilitation? Okay.

So how do we go about arranging for of this?

Let The staff liaison, but I don't know if you're gonna lead the staff.

Technically, not the staff liaison. For something. I am subbing.

Are you acting?

An open position. Right?

Yeah. I'm I'm well, am the liaison for right now to make sure the meeting is conducted, but I will not be in the future. So So you have to do P and Z because Yeah. I'm your job is. That's not manager.

So Right.

We are

we are has left us, and now we are short another person.

So staff member,

really. Yeah. So we don't home. See. Ideally, it would be another staff member sitting in my seat to be the liaison, but I had set up.

Would it be Linda Madison? No.

She is the board the council. So it would be

She might be the person with She's the one who I

looked at.

She's the one who presented to us on the dorm. With the dorm.

Yeah. Access to the dorm is Linda Madison. So that'll be Looks like he has to contact further.

Let me contact Public Works, the project manager who's working on it, because I think Jacob just took it through the approval process. Okay.

So Public Works is the

one the project manager is the one who has it in their court. Right? You know, they're the one working on it. I will speak with them and see who we need, either their approval, if they're willing to take us through, or if they do need to speak to the CMO's office. But I'm I'm almost positive. It's just public works.

Okay. And then okay. The tour of the windstorm, and that's it. That's my report.

Thank you.

Yeah. Thank you. Okay. So let's see. After that, it looks like what comment?

I

assume this would I assume this would be commented. I assume this would be public comment for things that we've just discussed.

Is that

how that work? I was curious too what the two public comments were. I

think the agenda's a little

funny. Okay.

Okay. Yeah. There is a second public comment. Yeah. We already had it. Right. There's public comment on each thing if you want to vote. Right. Okay. So each item, the chair asks for public. Okay. Your public comments were for things not on the agenda, and then there isn't a separate one.

Okay. Or

Well, yes. So for the next, next meeting, future agenda items.

Future agenda items. I definitely want the discussion about this recommendation or the cultural resource manager on the agenda. I think we can have an update on tour of the women's dorm. I would like an update on the RFP where that is right now, and then update on whether it's posted yet. We're posting on this.

Those are the things I would like to see. But what would you like to see, Carrie?

I think we need to discuss the homestead cabin signs. Oh, so we just have a public inquiry on them. And that was,

Art Forest Brewster No. Is the one who sent the question, and I think it's important for us to at least, get an answer from the county on that so we can reply to him. I think Leslie Loughlin might be the one who sent the questions. Can we ask directly, or should

Yeah. As long as you're not on an email chain together. So one of you can ask or two of you can ask, but as long as you're not three or more on an email chain, then you have your role in forum.

I will email Leslie and see what she says.

When was that sent out?

July, isn't it? '15. Oh, okay.

I did reply to him and said we would check into it. But it's important to get back to him with an answer besides I'll check into it. Right? I mean I I think they were working I think they were working on new homestead tour. Were they or not?

I'll ask Leslie that too. I know there was a brochure about the homesteads. I know Leslie was working on that, but I don't know where that stands now either. So it's related to the signs, so I'll just make sure I ask Leslie about both of those things. Said signs and Anything else I should I'm

not actually familiar with the four frames he refers to.

There were homestead signs, of them at the Romero Cabin. And I believe what I'm guessing. I should I need to ask Leslie because they were taken out when the urban trail was put in.

Know of two. I just can't think of the other two, so I was trying to think of

what say were in bad shape. I have to say they weren't in the best of shape. But his concern is that they were lacking the The story. Information. Yeah. So the question is, are they going to redo the signs? Are they gonna make the tour? What's the plan for the homestead?

It's good to know. I I wasn't sure about the signs either. Okay. I think that's a full list of things to go over for next next month. Up to you, Chair.

We'll see if anything else comes up. Yeah. Yeah.

That's right.

There's always something that pops up.

So if something comes up, we email you. Email me. And Danielle, for the time being, is acting to Yeah. Get something else on the agenda. On the agenda. Okay. Sure. I appreciate that.

So with that, didn't think that's. So do we need to give us a second? No.

You don't. Not that's Richard. Return. Okay. Good have little Jordan. This is

Jordan. Thank

you, Patrick.

Patrick, thank you so much. Patrick.

It's been a pleasure.

Thank you all. Appreciate every one of you.

Best wishes. Yeah. I can be in the. You

know where to find me? I'm across I'm just just across the parking lot.

But, yeah, I'll just go around.

I'm very much still around. So

Thank you. Thank you, Patrick.

Bye bye.

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